After Hours: Whistleblower: US Govt. Implicated in Child Trafficking

Summary

Full Measure After Hours: Whistleblower Reveals US Government’s Role in Child Trafficking

Episode: After Hours: Whistleblower: US Govt. Implicated in Child Trafficking
Host: Sharyl Attkisson
Release Date: November 14, 2024

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Introduction

In this gripping episode of Full Measure After Hours, host Sharyl Attkisson delves into a deeply concerning issue: the lapses within the U.S. government’s management of child migrants entering the country illegally. Through an exclusive interview with Deborah White, a federal employee turned whistleblower, listeners gain an inside look into how inadequate vetting processes have potentially facilitated child trafficking rings.

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Deborah White’s Background and Role

Deborah White, a seasoned professional from the General Services Administration, brings a wealth of experience in contracting and project management. In 2021, amidst a surge of illegal child migrants at the southern border, White was assigned a temporary role that would expose systemic failures in the handling and protection of these vulnerable children.

Deborah White [01:43]: "In the summer of 2021... the executive branch called for all employees to support the crisis at the southern border... We had facilities like Pomona, California, processing busloads of children."

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The Onset of the Crisis

Responding to an urgent call from the executive branch, White was deployed to Pomona, California, one of 14 emergency intake sites nationwide. Her initial responsibilities included overseeing the immediate care of children—medical processing, feeding, and basic case management.

Deborah White [03:12]: "We had tons of kids coming up from the southern border to facilities across the country."

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Failures in Sponsor Vetting

White highlights the critical shortcomings in the vetting process for sponsors—the individuals or relatives in the U.S. responsible for the care of these children. The process was predominantly a self-certification system conducted remotely, primarily via WhatsApp, without face-to-face verification.

Deborah White [03:55]: "We never actually see the sponsor face to face. Everything is sent by WhatsApp."

Further compounding the issue, many documents provided by sponsors were outdated, with some expired by up to two years, undermining the credibility and reliability of the information used to approve sponsorships.

Deborah White [04:52]: "We were instructed to take documents that were expired up to two years. It was a self-certification process."

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Emergence of Trafficking Concerns

As White delved deeper into her role, she began noticing alarming patterns that suggested the involvement of traffickers and criminal organizations. Her investigative efforts uncovered cases where children were released to sponsors linked to cartels and gangs, raising red flags about potential exploitation.

Deborah White [07:44]: "One brother admitted he was in debt bondage, fearing for his family if he didn’t repay his debt."

In one significant case in Houston, Texas, White discovered that 329 children were being released to a single sponsor, indicating a possible pyramid scheme facilitating the trafficking of minors.

Deborah White [19:51]: "When you have 329 children... that you've got something criminal."

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Government Response and Retaliation

Upon exposing these discrepancies, White faced resistance from within the government. Colleagues and superiors dismissed her findings, questioning her methods and undermining her credibility. Attempts to seek support were met with hostility, and she was reprimanded for pursuing information about the children’s welfare post-release.

Deborah White [21:28]: "Adriana Lynch told me... it's not your responsibility... you are not to call, looking, inquiring about them at other shelters."

Despite these challenges, White remained steadfast, emphasizing the systemic nature of the problem and the urgent need for accountability.

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Implications and Broader Impact

White’s revelations suggest that over 30 cases may involve trafficking, with potentially hundreds of children affected nationwide. The lack of comprehensive vetting and inter-agency communication has allowed traffickers to exploit loopholes, placing children in dangerous and abusive situations.

Deborah White [14:07]: "We have, I don't know, close to 500,000 kids now that have crossed the border in the past three years."

She argues that the root cause is the open border policy, which necessitates stringent measures to prevent trafficking and ensure the safety of child migrants.

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Recommendations and Call to Action

In her concluding remarks, Deborah White urges listeners to take action by contacting their senators and representatives. She advocates for the reinstatement of thorough vetting processes, including DNA testing to verify family relationships, and stricter oversight of sponsorship programs.

Deborah White [24:37]: "I really want to just ask every American to please contact your senators, contact your representatives, tell them that we cannot stand for this."

White also highlights upcoming legislative efforts aimed at reversing the problematic rule changes enacted in July 2023, which she asserts have exacerbated the trafficking issue.

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Conclusion

Sharyl Attkisson’s Full Measure After Hours episode sheds light on a critical and often overlooked humanitarian crisis. Through Deborah White’s courageous whistleblowing, listeners are exposed to the systemic failures that endanger child migrants. The episode serves as a powerful call to action, emphasizing the need for immediate reforms to protect some of the nation’s most vulnerable individuals.

For a comprehensive understanding and ongoing coverage, tune in to the full episode on Full Measure Sunday and visit FullMeasure.News.

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Notable Quotes:

• Deborah White [04:52]: "This is a self-certification process. Right. And you never see the sponsor face to face."
• Deborah White [19:51]: "When you have 329 children... that you've got something criminal."
• Deborah White [24:37]: "Tell them that we cannot stand for this."

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Further Information:

To learn more about the issues discussed in this episode or to support ongoing efforts to reform child migrant processing, visit SharylAttkisson.com and follow Full Measure on FullMeasure.News.

Transcript

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[Cheryl Atkison]

Hi everybody. Cheryl Atkison here. Welcome to another edition of Full Measure After Hours. Today a federal whistleblower reveals shocking lapses in the vetting of so called sponsors for children who cross into the US illegally without their parents. Deborah White is a federal employee who inadvertently became a whistleblower in the scandal that is the management of the tens of thousands of illegal immigrant children that came into the U.S. but the U.S. lost track of many. Experts say some at least are likely in the hands of cartels, gangs, sex and work traffickers. Deborah White works for the General Services Administration and as a contracting and project management professional. And she was in that job in 2021, as you'll hear, when she got a call to go on a temporary assignment that would change everything she thought about what our government was doing to care for children who cross into the US illegally without their parents. Here's Deborah White.

[Deborah White]

Sure. So in the summer of 2021 or spring, I should say May timeframe, I had seen an all call from the executive branch saying we need all employees to help support on the southern border with the crisis. All the migrant children that were coming across, they weren't able to process all of the children in time with the amount of staff that they had on hand. So there were several agencies that sent people to go ahead and help Health and Human Services Office of Refugee Resettlement Program to process the children. What does processing literally probably how it sounds. So we had tons of kids coming up from the southern border to facilities across the country. So I believe at the time in 2021, they had 14 facilities across the country that I know of that were emergency intake sites. And so the one that I ended up at was Pomona, California. So the processing looked like busloads of children coming up to the facility. You would have to medically process them mean, you know, give them a Covid shot, right? Delouse them, ensure that they got their first meal and then met with the case manager. Once we met with the children in the case management Department. We would then begin the interview process, which includes a family reunification package that had to be filled out and interviews that were conducted with the children and the sponsor in order to, quote, unquote, reunify children with family members.

[Interviewee]

Okay. Do most of the kids that were coming across without a parent, do they have the name of somebody they already know is in the US that will either take them or sponsor them? Is that a relative? How does that work?

[Deborah White]

Yes. So typically the children will come with information either pinned onto them, it can be sharpied on their arms, sometimes notes. But all of that information is then taken by the Border Patrol and then put into their systems over at Border Patrol. And then we would get them on the HHS ORR side, which is Health and Human Services, Office of Refugee Resettlement.

[Interviewee]

Is the goal that the federal government then tries to get those children to the place that's written in Sharpie or pinned to their clothing?

[Deborah White]

Correct. That's where we would do the vetting of the sponsor. Right. To ensure that they were who they said they were. But that was a very difficult task because you never actually see the sponsor face to face. No one does. Everything is sent by WhatsApp. So I would get, I and every case manager would get a copy of, you know, a document. Oftentimes it was from the Guatemalan consulate. Over 60% of the kids that we were getting were from Guatemala. And so it could be expired up to two years. So we were instructed to take documents that were expired up to two years. And so we would then have phone calls and ask them how they know the children, you know, if they could afford to keep the child, you know, based on their income. But this is all a self certification process. Right. And you never see the sponsor face to face. So technically you could be talking to the same sponsor that has 10 different IDs, that's requesting children across the country.

[Interviewee]

Where is the protection to make sure that you are not, as a federal agency facilitating the trafficking of the child into the hands of somebody who's mistreating them or even a pedophile ring.

[Deborah White]

And that's the crux of the matter, is that we didn't have that ability. So it was speed over safety the entire time. And that was the push from the HHS administration, from the veri.

[Interviewee]

When did you get the sense that something was wrong and maybe these kids were going into bad hands?

[Deborah White]

It was very quick for me to realize that that was happening. So when I got there initially I was two weeks with children in the pods. And what that means is just Being a caretaker, you know, getting the children to get their meals, get them to their medical appointments, et cetera. Then after about two weeks, they said, you know, hey, we need your help, your expertise, you know, in case management. Right. And that's because the contractor was failing completely. I do have a background in contracting and project management, am certified in that as well, and had offered my services to look at the contract and just look at where the contractor failures were and help them put together a plan to remedy those issues. That was denied probably about three times. And on the third time, I was told by one of the officials in the command center, you're not going to get the contract and stop asking for it. So those were literally the words. So at that point, I just made it my business to ensure that I was helping because it was very chaotic that involved in case management where, you know, people didn't know what to do. The case managers had no direction. There was no practical application training. There was no indication that there was any trafficking happening. And so I made it my job to basically get these girls trained. Excuse me, case managers trained on how to spot this, you know, what to look for.

[Interviewee]

The processors came in and were processing children.

[Deborah White]

Yes.

[Interviewee]

Without any special training to recognize human trafficking or whether they were putting kids into the hands of responsible people?

[Deborah White]

100% correct. Yes. There was no operational training, no practical training on what to look for. As a matter of fact, the mantra was often, get the kids out 10 to 14 days. That's what we need to do. And if you have questions, refer to the policy. That's a huge policy book to look at.

[Interviewee]

Isn't possible human trafficking an obvious peril of a fairly open border with illegal immigration?

[Deborah White]

Absolutely. That's the root cause of the issue, unfortunately, it's a humanitarian issue. We want to ensure that we treat children with love and care and dignity and respect. And that's the reason why I volunteered for this mission. I'm actually a Hispanic American. Spanish is my native language. And I thought, hey, regardless of your politics, they need a friendly face and they need someone who's going to take care of them now that they're here.

[Interviewee]

What was your first hint or how did you learn beyond just suspicions that they were going into perhaps trafficking rings or to pedophiles?

[Deborah White]

Sure. So part of my job was not only to look at policy and try to help, you know, interpret and, you know, provide support to these case managers, but I would also sit down with the case managers and help them interview the children. Right. Because the questions that we were asking were Very surface level questions. You really wouldn't pull out any kind of suspicion if you just, you know, stuck to the very simple questions that they were asking. Again, very surface level questions. So when there was, I suspected behavior. So first it was a behavioral indicator. So there was a brother and sister that had come to a case manager and she said, something's up with this case. Right. The child has just been released from psychiatric care. He had been there for six days. And the sister is kind of shuffling her hands and very nervous and insisting on being released as soon as possible. So once what I decided to do was separate the children and get their interviews separately.

[Interviewee]

What age group?

[Deborah White]

Sure. So the sister was 17 and the brother was 15. Yeah. So once I separated them, their stories, like, would not corroborate. I mean, they had different stories. So I knew something was going on. The sister kept telling me and the case manager, I'm not supposed to be here this long. I know you guys aren't allowed to keep me more than two weeks. And we've been here for, I think it was 19 days at that point. We've been here for 19 days. You're not allowed to keep me, me this long. You're supposed to let me go to my sponsor. And I said, okay, you know, I said, I've got to talk with your brother. I want to see, you know, from his perspective, you know. And so I interviewed the brother, and then the brother, you could tell something, he wanted to say something, but he wouldn't say it. Right. And so I told him, I said, if you help, if you tell me the truth, you know, we can help you, but we have to know what happened. And so that's when he finally admitted that, yes, you know, there was. He was. He had a debt bondage. Excuse me. And he owed money. Right. And if he didn't get to his sponsor and get to pay back that money, he was very fearful that something would happen to his family, specifically his father.

[Interviewee]

Because how did a kid become in debt?

[Deborah White]

That's because the cartels, I mean, we know these kids don't. Don't make it to the southern border unless, you know, there's a coyote, a guide, right. That brought them that far and that the cartels are paid for passage. Right. We know that. That's. That's typically what happens. And so that's how he came about to say, yes, I do owe about. I think it was $2,500. They said it in Quetzales, because most of these kids are from Guatemala, where the hub of this particular trafficking ring was located. Right. So it was Huehuetenago, Guatemala. He told me that this man that he was going to was a very important man in Guatemala, that he was the richest man in Guatemala, from his perspective, the richest man in Guatemala and that he helps to come to the United States. So when I looked up this man, because this man was not the sponsor, he was actually a household member of the sponsor. The sponsor, you know, came out clean. Right. And that's typically what happens is they'll put forth a sponsor that will come out clean because most of these people are undocumented, you know, people in this country.

[Interviewee]

And okay, so the kids are going to illegal immigrants or undocumented people here.

[Deborah White]

Yes, that's correct.

[Interviewee]

So that we can only probably have limited information on them as well.

[Deborah White]

That's correct. That's correct. So without doing some sort of state department search where they can contact embassies to find out the records in country of these people, there's no way to know how dangerous these people actually are.

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[Interviewee]

Can you bring us ahead to what ended up happening to those kids and how you came to understand this was probably a big problem. Did you find out about other cases?

[Deborah White]

Yes. So that is just one of several cases. Probably. We have case files, I think on 30. What I can say is that the sister who was about to turn 18 was released on her own choice, she was released and they gave her a bus ticket, I believe, to Ben Springs, Florida. And so the address, they just provided a different address. So the parents provided a different address from previously. They had said that they didn't have anyone else that the children could go to, but then the parents came up with another address. So she left on her own volition.

[Interviewee]

So the parents in the home country may be part of the facilitating of this trafficking. Do you think the parents know that the kids are being trafficked?

[Deborah White]

So I think that the parents are tricked into it. I think that this man that they said, you know, is the richest man, and he helps children come to the United States for work. I think they're given a promise, like a fake bill of goods. Right. That they're going to come here and earn a ton of money and be able to send money back home. Right. So they paint it as a really nice picture because from listening to the story of the boy during his interview, he said that they not only run radio ads, but they knock on doors offering their services as well.

[Interviewee]

How many children do you suspect may have been impacted? Not just by this one source or sponsor, but this could be happening, too.

[Deborah White]

Yeah, it's absolutely happening. You know, we know that because we have, I don't know, close to 500,000 kids now that have crossed the border in the past three years. And this was not just an isolated incident at the shelter that we were working at. Right. We know that there were cases that came out of Fort Bliss, cases that came from Texas, from across the country. Right. This was happening. This is not just one incident. This is just the tip of the iceberg. If we had anyone to dig deep a little bit and provide the records right. To law enforcement, because HHS does not provide law enforcement access to the UAC portal. And that is the official government system of record where all of this information is being housed. However, there is a secondary system called caseworthy. So it's very hard to piece together a case. Right. Unless you have full access to those two systems. Right. The information is compartmentalized and the functions are compartmentalized. For example, transportation doesn't know what's happening with case management. Case management doesn't know what's happening with medical and the significant incident report process. So we would file what's called an sir, significant incident report on anything that egregious, like if the child had been, you know, raped along the journey, that. That was something that had to, you know, you had to have an SIR for that. And that had to be cleared before the child left. Right before they could be cleared for a release. However, we know in many cases they were not cleared and the children were dismissed and sent to their sponsor without having cleared that.

[Interviewee]

Sir, what does it mean to clear it?

[Deborah White]

That means that a federal field specialist who is the authoritative source on site for, you know, saying yay or nay on the release of a child, they would give the okay and release the child.

[Interviewee]

What if they say no? What happens to a child? Do they go back to their home country or what happens if they don't go to their sponsor?

[Deborah White]

No, they contact the parents and find a different sponsor. No child goes back to their country.

[Interviewee]

Have you ever been able to find out specifically what's happened to a child that's gone in the wrong hands? Do you know, have some of them been forced to work or forced to perform sex acts?

[Deborah White]

Yes. So there's many different sources, journalists that have reported on that. And we know that they have located children that are, that were being solicited by their, you know, quote, unquote aunt, you know, and have run away from the home that they were in because they were being forced to perform sex acts. Yes, we know that they have also been found with fraudulent Social Security cards and are working. So there are investigative journalists that have gone to locate, try to locate some of these children and that's what they found. They found fake documents for working in the United States. So they were definitely working. And also cases where the children were found to be performing sex acts for money.

[Interviewee]

15 year olds and 17 year olds can tell stories. Are there younger kids, 5, 6 years old, 7 years old, that may not be able to tell what's happening to them?

[Deborah White]

Yes. So the majority of the children that we received in Pomona, California were 15 to 17. That was the age group, I want to say that was around 60%. Right. Of the kids that were there, but there were definitely children that were younger than that. Five years old, five, six, seven years old. We definitely saw that.

[Interviewee]

The implication of what you're reporting is that the federal government is using taxpayer money to facilitate the end of the trip for the human traffickers.

[Deborah White]

Yeah, I mean, it's nothing less than child, than taxpayer funded child slavery. Nothing less.

[Interviewee]

So what happened when you tried to draw attention to this?

[Deborah White]

Well, the federal field specialist, you know, that I told you about earlier, the one who is responsible for making the decision for the children whether they're released or denied for release, he acted as though he had never seen trafficking in the program. But this is a person who, you know, has been working this for over 12 years. You know, who should be an expert in this and should have standard operating procedures and know exactly what to do.

[Interviewee]

Is he still in that position?

[Deborah White]

Yes.

[Interviewee]

So beyond the specific conversations, unless there's a moment where he. You told me kind of what happened with losing access to the system, but did someone ever say to you, keep your mouth shut or we're going to move you or fire you from the job? Like, tell me what happened when you tried to focus attention on it.

[Deborah White]

Right. So, you know, he acted like he had never seen it before. He asked me, how was it that you came across this information? So this was a particular case in Florida that I had found the first case of trafficking on the site and exposed it along with my counterpart, Tara Rodas. And we, when we showed him the information and I showed him how I was able to query the system and figure out that this same household member, Right, So again, you have a sponsor and then you have a household member that may be living with the sponsor. That household member was responsible for pulling kids from multiple different sites across the country over a period of a few years. But he still had a ton of kids. And then those kids, once they had aged out and I had reviewed them in the system, those kids actually who were now adults, had also been requesting children from across the country. So it's like this really twisted pyramid scheme of just requesting multiple children once they're in the country.

[Interviewee]

Is that in of itself a crime? How do you know? Obviously that raises red flags, but if someone were to say, so what, there's a sponsor helping a lot of children, what would you say is not appropriate about that?

[Deborah White]

Right. Well, I would say that in that particular case, okay, you could draw that conclusion. However, when you have, you know, 329 children and counting going to, you know, two buildings, right. And you know, you can't physically house all those children, then you've got a serious problem on your hand, then you've got something criminal.

[Interviewee]

Is that how many kids were doing?

[Deborah White]

So, yeah, that was in a case in Houston, Texas. Yes, 329 and counting.

[Interviewee]

What came of that as you exposed these things?

[Deborah White]

Well, the children that were immediately in our care, you know, they may have been transferred to longer term care, but in many cases, and I know this because I called to check on the status of one of the children, you know, how they were doing. Many times they get released anyways. So they go to a different case manager at a different facility at a longer term shelter. If you can't get them out, you know, in that 10 to 14 day period. And let's say it's gone into the 20 day period, you know, and heaven forbid it go into 30 days. Right. You've got to get them out immediately. If you call those shelters, oftentimes you will find out that the children were released to that same sponsor because a different case manager had made a recommendation for the child to be released to that sponsor. So that's what we found in several cases. And when I did call a shelter to find out the status of a child, I was reprimanded. I was told by Adriana lynch who works in the command center on site. She told me, it's nice that you care about the kids, but it is not your responsibility. Once they leave here, they are gone. And you are not to call, looking, inquiring about them at other shelters.

[Interviewee]

How do you explain that? Why the federal government and officials wouldn't care about the ultimate outcome if these children are being trafficked?

[Deborah White]

Well, ultimately, if you want my opinion, it's because what bureaucrats care about is keeping their program running. That's what they care about. So this makes them look very bad. So they very quickly want to sweep this under the rug in order to keep congressional funds coming to them. Right. Because this is a program that is funded by billions of congressionally appropriated dollars. Right. So how do you keep that program afloat, make sure that there's not screw ups. So you naturally wouldn't want to err something like this that's actually happening within your program. So the easiest way to do that is to then push the children to another facility for longer term care to find out only that they've been released anyways. But again, the information is compartmentalized and it passes through the hands of multiple people, so you can't track.

[Interviewee]

Maybe the only real way to stop it would be to shut down the illegal border crossings. And maybe everybody knows this administration is not going to do that.

[Deborah White]

Well, that is the root cause issue right there.

[Interviewee]

What do you think should happen?

[Deborah White]

I mean, exactly what you said, right? I mean, I understand, you know, the children are here and we have to take care of them. I do not negate that. Right. I love children. I wouldn't want them to suffer at all. However, we have a failed program here. Right. We know that HHS is not capable of properly vetting sponsors and properly vetting sponsors is not even the answer. Right. DNA tests at best. Right. Which they took away. They're not doing DNA tests anymore.

[Interviewee]

When did they stop that?

[Deborah White]

During the Biden administration. Yes.

[Interviewee]

So they don't even know if the children are related. Which wouldn't in of itself prove that there's no trafficking, but at least it would be a layer.

[Deborah White]

Correct? Correct. At a minimum, you would want to know that they're blood related with the hopes that, you know, that will mean they're more invested in the welfare of the child. Right. But HHS has painfully proven that they are not capable of this responsibility. They've been entrusted with and they have been entrusted with the most precious cargo. We're not talking about moving, you know, cattle, which deserve respect and dignity as well. We're not talking about moving items. We are talking about moving children. Precious human beings, lives and souls that deserve better. And we're the United States of America. We have to do better than this. This is absurd and it's a stain on our nation. It is literally taxpayer funded slavery. And it has to stop.

[Interviewee]

What is your position today? Are you still doing the same thing you were?

[Deborah White]

No, I was on detail. So my administration had allowed me to go and do this work for a four month time period. So it was a 120 day detail. I did and I completed and they were grateful for my support. I mean, I even got a letter saying thank you for the support that I provided for the trainings that I did for identifying potential trafficking. However, I am back at my agency. Yes.

[Interviewee]

Okay. Anything else you want to add? I know you could write a whole book on this, but is there a takeaway that you want to.

[Deborah White]

Yeah, I mean, I really want to just ask every American to please contact your senators, contact your representatives, tell them that we cannot stand for this. We have a campaign that's going to kick off tomorrow after I speak in the Senate and it's called Vote Yay for cra. And basically we are trying to get a Congressional Review act underway so that the rule change that Health and Human Services, Office of Refugee Resettlement, codified through the Federal Register, relaxing the rules and making it easier to traffic these children. Right. And put gag orders on the HHS employees. No HHS employee will come forward because they know that the ones that have come forward in the past get fired. You know, I have a certain layer of protection just because I don't work directly for hhs. Right. But who knows anyone's fair game? Yeah. So I would just encourage them if they want to look into the rule change that went into effect in July. It is the Unaccompanied Children's program foundational rule 2023, 21168.

[Cheryl Atkison]

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