A (4:58)

you did a good job. In summary, one little piece of the puzzle that I think is very important, though, is that you are seeing evidence that could potentially have implicated Joe Biden, Hunter's father. And we're not allowed to follow that trail. Is that accurate?

B (5:13)

Yeah. So there were multiple points. I mean, we brought a lot of this forward to the. To the. To the various committees in Congress, but there was the prosecutor on the case. We were drafting a search warrant related to Farah charges against Hunter Biden in Ukraine. And one of the people mentioned in there was political figure one, Joe Biden. And the prosecutor at the time said there can't be any mention to political figure number one in this search warrant. And we're like, that makes. It relates to Ukraine. He's vice president at the time. That's just one example. There was talking to the former Joe Biden's kids, adult children. We were not allowed to do that if there were any questions when we were doing interviews of certain people that led to Joe Biden, we weren't allowed to go and ask those questions. There was asking Rob Walker About 10% held by H for the big guy, which is a reasonable question to ask someone. It was cagey on whether we were allowed to ask something like that. So it was very apparent from the beginning that they just didn't want to touch anything related to the former vice president at the time. Wasn't even the president, Joe Biden. So it was kind of like all hands off and it just didn't seem appropriate. And looking back on everything, when you add it all in totality, it's a lot bigger of a deal than you might think. DOJ had this much control over essentially holding us down from doing a proper investigation related to the Biden family.

A (6:58)

Things rarely turn out well for whistleblowers, as I've learned. But things for you, since we did our last interview for you and Gary have taken a better turn. Can you bring us up to date on what happened since?

B (7:11)

Yeah, so it's actually been so right after we came out as whistleblowers, I mean, we were being retaliated against. We were being woodsheded. We were. A lot of my work wasn't getting approved. I mean, there were multiple, multiple things that we pointed to in our complaint against the IRS that was going on related to us. So we've actually settled our. What would be our lawsuits against Department of Justice and irs? The one against Department of Justice, they had to pay a significant amount of money. The one against Department of Justice, they actually had to provide training for people in the future so that what happened to us doesn't happen against someone else in the future. I mean, that's groundbreaking. So we've written a book, the Whistleblowers versus the Big Guy, that I think is so very important to bring up because it kind of solidifies Gary and my place in history as what we went through, what we went through as whistleblowers, what we went through in our personal lives and the toll that it took on us in conducting the investigation related to Hunter Biden and coming forward and going through the process of becoming whistleblowers. So we have also received promotions at the irs. We've through. Thank God for the Secretary of Treasury. He made us senior advisors to him. I'm trying to think of. There's been. We've settled our lawsuit. So if you remember back, Hunter had sued. He didn't sue us directly, but he had sued our Employer, the irs, for making improper disclosures of his return information. He since dropped that. And then we have, we ended up suing his, his attorney, Abby Lowell, and we have ended up settling that. And he in the settlement said that, that basically we were acting in good faith and basically supporting whistleblowers, which is ultimately, we didn't want a financial gain from that. We just wanted to recognize that what we did was right.

A (9:36)

Can you take me to the moment when you found out you were going to be offered a promotion? Did the, did it come as a cold call or did someone call you before you got a call? Kind of. Tell me about that and how you felt.

B (9:46)

So it finally, it felt it. So the story behind it is Gary and I were going to, we got invited to the joint session of Congress to watch President Trump speak. And we're in the speaker of the House, we're in Mike Johnson's office, and the Secretary of Treasury is there and it's Secretary Bessant. And I go to Gary, I'm like, that's the secretary. Gary gets this look in his face and literally goes up to the secretary and has this two minute elevator speech. And I guess the secretary at the time was so taken aback by kind of what we've been through and hearing our story that he made the decision to put us into the positions that we're at right now. And when I heard that, it was kind of was a sigh of relief. I felt like I'm out from underneath this cloud that's been over me of being a whistleblower and someone finally recognizes that the sacrifices we put forward in

A (10:48)

coming forward, I mean, little detail, but you're talking about the joint session to Congress after Trump was elected.

B (10:53)

Yes.

A (10:54)

And who invited you to the

B (10:58)

Congressman? Jim Jordan and Jamie Comer.

A (11:01)

And was Besant, Secretary Besant, already familiar with the story, with your story to some degree?

B (11:06)

I believe so. Yeah, I believe so.

A (11:07)

And then how long after that before you got word and how did you exactly get word that you were getting a promotion?

B (11:13)

I don't remember the exact details, but it was like a couple weeks after and it was through our attorneys that we had found out.

A (11:21)

So life is looking up. I'm only emphasizing that because I can't tell you how many whistleblower stories I've done and how many people I've interviewed. And I don't think anything has ever turned out. So far, so good.

B (11:33)

What I think changed for Gary and I is that we were so honest and so truthful. Like we had stellar records coming forward. And Everything that we had brought forward they tried to test, and everything was truthful and honest. They really couldn't attack us at all. And I think us coming forward in that process with legal representation and doing it the right way really made an impact down the road. Now, if Kamala Harris would have won the election, I probably wouldn't have a job right now. And that's terrifying to think about. But when I saw that Donald Trump was elected as president, I was like, wow, this is okay. Maybe we're actually going to see the change. And what I can tell you, you probably know my history, but I was a Democrat. I don't identify really as a Democrat anymore. And I really support Donald Trump and I support this administration and what they're doing with government reform. For the first time, I feel like there's government accountability and that were making the government make the government great again. So what I think is so important about it is what's so shocking to me is this is such a big story. You think that something like this would be huge. And I don't know why, but it doesn't seem like people want to hear some of this story. So, I mean, what's. So if people, like, understand that any of the profits from this book are going to the nonprofit that is supporting current and future whistleblowers, Gary and I are not going to make a cent off this book. And that, I think, is so very important because we're putting our name and whatever you want to call it right out there in front and saying, hey, what we care more is about the story. What we care more is about supporting whistleblowers, this book being a guidebook for them and coming forward. And the book really goes through our life story. It talks a lot about me and my. Some of the struggles with me being gay and coming out with my dad. It goes through a lot of the things, personal things in our lives that we were going through. It details a lot of the inner workings of what we were dealing with on a daily basis in this investigation. So it really ties a very complex puzzle together from how this family operated, how they operated, and how two measly agents were able to essentially go against the White House and the presidency of the United States. I don't know if that's ever been done before, but Gary and I were successful in doing that, and we won. It truly is. This book truly is a David and Goliath story. If you're wanting to read about the triumph over evil in good, this is the story for you.

A (14:51)

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