Matt Walsh | Ep. 140

Summary

Full Send Podcast: Matt Walsh | Ep. 140 Summary

Released on October 31, 2024 by Shots Podcast Network, sponsored by Happy Dad Hard Seltzer.

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1. Introduction

The episode kicks off with host Kyle Forgeard promoting Happy Dad Hard Seltzer's availability in Oregon, highlighting its low sugar, gluten-free, and no artificial flavors attributes. He also announces a contest related to the Prize Picks World Championship, aiming to partner with a listener to compete for a $1 million prize. (00:00 - 01:22)

2. Political Climate and Upcoming Elections

Kyle emphasizes the urgency of the upcoming election, citing issues like an open border, soaring gas prices, and high food costs. He urges listeners to register and vote through sendthevote.com, stressing that action is necessary beyond just online discussions. (01:22 - 02:40)

Matt Walsh initiates the core discussion by addressing the current political landscape, focusing on the 2024 presidential race between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. He expresses confidence in Trump's chances, noting a recent surge in his campaign momentum.

"He's got a real good sense of that, and Kamala just has no sense for it at all." (03:39)

3. Analysis of Trump vs. Harris Campaigns

Matt Walsh delves into Trump's political instincts, commending his ability to connect with voters, exemplified by a recent successful visit to a McDonald's. He contrasts this with Harris's perceived lack of political acumen, citing an incident where she addressed audience members in a manner he found inappropriate.

"She just has no political instincts. I don't think I've ever seen a politician... who has worse political instincts than she does." (04:20)

Bradley Martyn references a Polymarket poll showing Trump leading by 66%, reinforcing Matt's optimism about Trump's prospects. The conversation touches on potential election outcomes and their societal impacts.

4. Potential Election Outcomes and Societal Unrest

The hosts discuss scenarios where either candidate wins:

• If Trump Wins: Anticipated as a landslide victory, potentially the first Republican to win the popular vote in decades. However, concerns about potential unrest persist.

  "He survived an assassination attempt... he just has to do it..." (05:40)

• If Harris Wins: Bob Menery suggests that Harris winning might lead to significant unrest, stronger than if Trump were to win, due to reactions from Trump's base.

Matt Walsh counters by expressing skepticism about mass rioting regardless of the outcome, referencing historical events like the Women's March and the 2020 riots. He believes that such extreme reactions are unlikely to repeat on a larger scale.

"I don't think there's going to be mass rioting if he wins." (07:04)

5. The Role of Media and Narratives

The discussion shifts to how media portrays political figures and events. Matt Walsh criticizes media biases, suggesting that mainstream outlets avoid reviewing his film due to its controversial content, whereas some journalists from publications like The Washington Post and The New Yorker have engaged with it.

"We released it in theaters, it debuted in the top five... but film critics just pretended it didn't exist." (44:07 - 45:05)

6. Examination of Racial Ideologies and DEI

Matt Walsh discusses his film exploring racial ideologies, particularly critiquing DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) initiatives. He argues that these ideologies label all white people as inherently racist, creating a divisive "left-wing racial ideology."

"Their ideology is that all white people are inherently racist... it's racism as well." (22:14 - 22:54)

He further elaborates on the origins of these concepts in academia and their permeation into mainstream society post-Obama administration, leading to increased societal focus on systemic racism.

"They started... in academia, and then events allowed these ideas to filter down into the general population." (22:56 - 24:04)

7. Government Inefficiency and the Swamp

The conversation turns to government inefficiency, drawing parallels between the federal bureaucracy and private sector inefficiencies. Matt Walsh advocates for drastic measures to "drain the swamp," suggesting that significant staff reductions could enhance government performance.

"Trump used to, in his 2016 campaign especially, drain the swamp... it's a swamp that's deep." (60:22 - 60:52)

He highlights examples like FEMA's inefficient handling of hurricane cleanup, arguing that streamlined operations could lead to better outcomes.

"If you want to drain the swamp, it means you're firing thousands of federal employees... you're just done." (62:57 - 67:27)

8. Pharmaceutical Industry Critique

Matt Walsh criticizes the pharmaceutical industry for perpetuating misinformation, such as the debunked chemical imbalance theory of depression, and argues that they profit from creating dependencies through medications.

"The pharmaceutical industry has been doing this for decades... they were like, chemical imbalance is made up." (72:12 - 73:58)

He asserts that public trust in these institutions has eroded, contributing to systemic societal issues.

9. Hope and Individual Change

Towards the episode's conclusion, Steiny prompts Matt Walsh to reflect on whether societal change is possible, given innate human behaviors and entrenched systemic issues.

Matt Walsh remains skeptical but acknowledges that individual behavior change is feasible. He cites the decline in cigarette smoking due to persistent government messaging as an example of successful behavior modification, albeit noting that issues often shift rather than resolve.

"If you want to change society, you're looking for someone to go in there." (61:00 - 67:44)

10. Conclusion

The hosts wrap up by discussing the challenges of effecting large-scale societal changes and the importance of individual accountability. They encourage listeners to engage thoughtfully with the issues discussed and to seek personal improvements.

"Everything is terrible... So get in the gym." (76:17 - 76:23)

Matt Walsh emphasizes that while systemic changes are daunting, personal actions can contribute to broader societal shifts.

"You can change yourself... That's all you can actually change." (76:27 - 77:20)

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Notable Quotes

1. Matt Walsh (03:39): "He's got a real good sense of that, and Kamala just has no sense for it at all."
2. Matt Walsh (04:20): "She just has no political instincts. I don't think I've ever seen a politician... who has worse political instincts than she does."
3. Matt Walsh (22:14): "Their ideology is that all white people are inherently racist... it's racism as well."
4. Matt Walsh (44:07): "We released it in theaters, it debuted in the top five... but film critics just pretended it didn't exist."
5. Matt Walsh (60:22): "Trump used to, in his 2016 campaign especially, drain the swamp... it's a swamp that's deep."
6. Matt Walsh (72:12): "The pharmaceutical industry has been doing this for decades... they were like, chemical imbalance is made up."
7. Matt Walsh (76:17): "Everything is terrible... So get in the gym."

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Conclusion

Episode 140 of the Full Send Podcast, featuring Matt Walsh, offers a critical examination of contemporary political dynamics, racial ideologies, government inefficiency, and systemic issues within key industries like pharmaceuticals. Through passionate dialogue and pointed critiques, the episode encourages listeners to engage deeply with societal challenges while highlighting the potential for individual action amidst widespread systemic obstacles.

Transcript

[Kyle Forgeard]

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[Matt Walsh]

All right, boys.

[Kyle Forgeard]

There's a lot of crazy going on in the world right now. The border's wide open, gas prices are through the roof. You can't even buy egg anymore. It costs like the price of a house going. That's why I think this election is probably one of the most important elections ever and you guys all need to get out and vote. If you are not registered to vote, you guys need to go to send the vote dot com. All right? Because guys, we can't just be tweeting about this shit. You can't be just complaining or talking to your boys or posting on X. You got to actually get up off your and vote. All right? Don't be lazy. If you guys don't know how to vote or you're not registered or just for some reason you're don't you're not ready to vote. Go to sendtheboat.com it has everything you need to make sure that you're registered to vote and it's also gonna make sure that your vote is counted. We need everybody's vote to count. Sendthevote.com is not a right wing or left wing website. It's just about making sure that everybody votes and everybody's vote is counted. So, guys, seriously, like, talk to your boys around you. Like, if one of your boys is not registered to vote, chirp as you can't be lazy. Like, I've been talking to people and they're like, oh, I'm not registered to vote yet.

[Bradley Martyn]

They have, like, a specific side they're choosing.

[Kyle Forgeard]

Like, I don't know what you guys are thinking, but everybody needs to to vote. Like, it's gonna be a close one. So get up off. Don't be lazy. Go to sendthevote.com if you do not know how to vote. It has everything you need to register.

[Bradley Martyn]

Let's get into the podcast. Do you think Trump wins?

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, I'm terrible at political predictions, so I'm gonna say yes. Like, if you'd asked me three months ago, I don't know if I would have said, well, three months ago he was running against Biden, so I would have said yes then, too. There were a couple of weeks after Trump, Kamala took over that seemed a little touch and go for the Trump campaign, but recently, it seems like all the momentum's on his side.

[Steiny]

Did you see the thing recently? I'm sure you probably talked about this already because you do the Daily Pod, but did you see the thing recently where Kamala. There was someone who yelled in the audience, jesus is Lord. And she was like, you're at the wrong rally.

[Matt Walsh]

Like, that's amazing.

[Steiny]

Like, my question, why would you say that? Why would you be at the wrong way?

[Bradley Martyn]

Well, I guess she was talking about abortion.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I mean, I think their excuse is that. Well, she wasn't referring to that. She. She just. But of course it's true, though. Like, if you think Jesus is Lord, you are. The Kamala Harris rally is not for you. It's amazing that she would say that out loud, and it kind of shows. I'm not amazed by the sentiment. I know she hates Christians, but I'm amazed that she's willing to say that because this woman just has no political instincts. Like, I don't think I've ever seen a politician certainly in modern American history who has worse political instincts than she does. She just has no sense. Whereas. And she's going against Trump, who. Whatever else you want to say about him, the guy's got great. We haven't seen a politician in my lifetime who has better. Better instincts than him. He just has a feel for, like, what works. And he does. You know, he went to the McDonald's the other day, and he was. And he was, you know, serving fries for a few minutes, and it just worked. It was like. It worked. It was funny, it was endearing. And so he's got a. He's got a real good sense of that, and Kamala just has no sense for it at all. Which is why I would think, by all right, like, by all rights, she loses. I mean, if we still live in any kind of recognizable world, then by the. The rules of politics that. That have governed, you know, the country up until this moment, by those rules, Trump should win. Like, for one thing, if you survive an assassination attempt while running for president, like, in any other time in history, that alone should put you over the top. And then you take it, and then you take the second attempt and everything else, too. He should win, but seems like he's.

[Bradley Martyn]

Run even on Poly Market, too. I don't know if you follow that, but it was, like, neck and neck, and now he's like, 66% in the lead.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it doesn't.

[Steiny]

I'm just wondering if it's going to be the repeat where it's like this and it's like all the votes are counted.

[Matt Walsh]

That's why the disadvantage Trump's at is that he needs to win in such a decisive manner. Yeah, he needs to win. Not just win, but he needs to win by a significant margin to avoid any of those kinds of scenarios. He could. I mean, I. I don't know. Like, I. It's. I'm not a good political. Like I said, I'm a terrible political prognosticator. So we could wake up the next day after the election, and Kamala's one in some kind of electoral college landslide. I'd be surprised by that.

[Bradley Martyn]

Yeah, that would suck so bad. Imagine having to watch Kamala for the next four years, or we get to watch Trump just run for the next four years.

[Matt Walsh]

Man, it would.

[Bradley Martyn]

It would suck so bad.

[Matt Walsh]

It would suck for a lot of reasons. Could happen, though. It could happen. I mean, no, that'd be bad. But I. I can also see a world. I could also. I can see a world where Trump wins in a landslide, where these swing states just go to him, all go to him. And next thing you know, you're looking at not only he wins the popular vote, and maybe he's the first Republican presidential candidate to do that since, I don't know, in decades. I don't know who's the last presidential candidate Republican to win the popular vote. And also he wins electoral college landslide. Like, that could happen. And if it does happen, then I think we'll all look back on it and say, well, of course that happened. Like, again, the guy survived an assassination attempt. He's running against Kamala Harris, one of the most unlikable presidential nominees we've ever seen. Obviously he was going to win in a landslide, so I don't know, we'll see either way.

[Bradley Martyn]

Do you think there's going to be some sort of outrage or unrest post.

[Matt Walsh]

Election, 100%, no matter what.

[Bradley Martyn]

Which one do you think would be.

[Bob Menery]

Worse if Trump wins?

[Matt Walsh]

If Trump wins, yeah.

[Bradley Martyn]

You think it's going to be worse?

[Bob Menery]

He had the assassination attempt. People are crazy.

[Bradley Martyn]

No, if Trump loses.

[Bob Menery]

If he loses, I don't think it'll be as bad as if he wins. The response from the people that don't like Trump's going to be way worse.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. If he loses, I don't think that, you know, I know on the Left it's, oh, January 6th. And of course they've massively inflated, as we all know, what, what that event really was. But even that wouldn't, like, the federal government has spent four years trying to find anyone who was even in the vicinity on January six and throw them in prison for as long as possible. And so the chance of anything like that happening a second time is basically non existent. So I think if Trump loses, there will be no real, A lot of us will be really upset, but we're not, you know, there's not going to be mass rioting if he wins, though. Yeah, I would expect the first time that he won in 2016, you had the Women's March. Shortly after that, you had people screaming and crying in the street. And, you know, so, and we know the mass rioting that happened in 2020, which would not have happened if Trump wasn't, you know, if a Democrat was in office, they wouldn't have done that. So I think it's going to be.

[Steiny]

Why do you, why do you think they keep trying to tie him to the Project 2025 thing when he's outwardly said so many times that he's not, he's, that's not, he's not in support of that? Well, they, like, they put in their campaign ads and all that.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, well, they, they have no moral standards whatsoever, so they don't care. They don't mind lying shamelessly. I also think that Trump played that whole thing wrong. You know, it's, it's because he started disavowing it. He started disavowing Project 2025 and the problem is once you start doing that, and usually he's really good at this kind of thing. Like he doesn't do the whole I disavow this. Like, usually he refuses when the media comes to him and says, well, do you disavow xyz? He'll refuse to do it because he knows that once you start playing that game with them, they'll never stop once you show weakness, they don't stop with Project 2025, for whatever reason. I don't know if he got bad advice, but yeah, he started disavowing it pretty aggressively. And so instead the left didn't say, oh, well, he disavowed it. So never mind. They said, okay, well, this is something he's worried about. This is a weak spot.

[Steiny]

Let's focus on it.

[Matt Walsh]

Let's. Yeah, let's keep going. If he, he's obviously worried about being tied with Project 2025. So let's, let's keep hitting it. So I think that's what happened there.

[Bradley Martyn]

I think the scariest thing for me is the whole World War III thing. Do you see that? I think, I don't know if it's true, but North Korea, did they officially like put ground troops in Russia?

[Matt Walsh]

I didn't see that, but I. But yeah, I mean, Trump, 10,000 soldiers. Okay. Yeah, well, that's. I didn't see that.

[Bradley Martyn]

I don't know.

[Matt Walsh]

There were no major wars. As Trump points it out all the time on the campaign trail. It's true. There were no major wars under his presidency. And you know, he doesn't want, he doesn't want conflict, global conflict, which you would hope that any president that's like a baseline, that every president would get over, that they don't want global conflict. But we also know that's not the case. So.

[Bradley Martyn]

Yeah, no president's been like that really, besides him, right?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Bradley Martyn]

Republican or Democrat?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, yeah, we've had, we've had, we've had non stop wars overseas for, you know, 25 years now until Trump. And then we had a respite and then it started again. You know, in Biden, under Biden's administration, we got two major wars happening overseas that we are involved in in some way.

[Bradley Martyn]

You know, that shit's scary, bro, all that.

[Bob Menery]

Do you think that, and this is maybe out of pocket, but do you ever think that if Trump handled like the question or just talked about how he, if he ever was just like, you know what? I lost the 2020 election, that that would do anything for him?

[Matt Walsh]

I don't think I don't think it matters.

[Bob Menery]

You don't think it would. It matters because a lot of people love to go back to that. And, like, why won't he just fucking say, hey, you know, why I lost?

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, at this point, obviously he can't say that at this point.

[Bob Menery]

Maybe not, but, like, maybe in the debate, because it was brought up a few times and they just want to say, hey, let's move on, let's move on. But it seems like a lot of people are waiting for him to just say that, just to see a change in character.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I just don't know that it would matter. I don't. I think it'd be just like Disavowing Project 2025. It doesn't. You know, they're not going to then suddenly say, oh, he's not a threat to democracy anymore. It doesn't matter. It doesn't really even matter what he does or says. How many of these. Many of these do you guys record in, like a week?

[Bradley Martyn]

Depends.

[Bob Menery]

One or two?

[Bradley Martyn]

We're going to do two this week, but then next week we probably won't do one. Just, like, depends. We try to do one a week.

[Bob Menery]

Yeah.

[Bradley Martyn]

What's your schedule like for content?

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, I do a daily podcast, so it's every day.

[Steiny]

That's the one on X?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, yeah, it's on X. It's, you know, everywhere. And then with the movie I've been doing, you know, on the. On the promo tour.

[Bradley Martyn]

So am I racist? That's a pretty. It's kind of like a little bit of like what we do on our other channel with Nelk, in terms of like, hitting camera mic'd up or like, kind of like a Borat vibe. How did you come up with that idea to do that?

[Matt Walsh]

Well, you know, we. So my first movie was called what Is a Woman? Came out a few years ago, and that was about the kind of trans insanity. And with that movie, it was more of like, where I'm just going around asking questions, taking, like a skeptical approach of asking questions. And with this movie, we knew we wanted to get into race and DEI and all this kind of stuff, but I didn't want to just repeat what we did with the other movie. And that's always a know, a. A temptation is just to do exactly what you did before. And so we thought with this would be interesting if instead the approach is, I'm not going to be skeptical towards these people. I'll just believe whatever they tell me and. And I'll let them kind of guide Me on my journey of my racial awakening journey. And so it starts with, like, I'm just me as myself, and I ask a question. You know, I'm talking to these DEI experts asking them questions. They're. They're giving me answers. I'm believing whatever they tell me. And then it's like, okay, well, if that's true, where do I go next? And I'm putting their ideas into practice so they can kind of build. And we want to have this effect of, like, going down the rabbit hole. So by the end of the movie, it's completely insane. And it's because we're sort of showing, like, this is what happens when you take these ideas seriously. So it is. It's a little bit of a Borat, but it's not. Because with Borat, it's like he. He's a character from the start of the movie.

[Bradley Martyn]

Yeah, you turn into one as it goes.

[Matt Walsh]

Right. We wanted to have. It's like, where I. Where I have to adopt that Persona because I'm trying to do the work, as they say, to become, you know, racially.

[Bradley Martyn]

How many, like, insane people did you come across? I saw the one. I saw the scene where, like, the champagne, the dinner, and that, like, Indian kind of looking lady saying, I used to be a white woman. Like, is there any stories you can tell us? Like, what was the most insane person that you came across?

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, they're all insane. That was called Race to Dinner, which is. Which is a real thing. Like, we didn't. Obviously, this is all real. We didn't invent any of it. And Race to Dinner is. You've got the Indian woman, cyber Ra, her name, and Regina Jackson is the black woman. And they. They go to dinner with white women and they sit at the table and they're paid thousands of dollars to call the white women racist for like, two hours. And they just sit there and the white women are sitting around the table and they're getting just eviscerated by this. By these two ladies who are calling them racist and just tearing them down for hours.

[Kyle Forgeard]

But they pay.

[Bradley Martyn]

Like. Are they paying to get like.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Bradley Martyn]

Educated.

[Bob Menery]

On.

[Matt Walsh]

Hold on. I mean, that's what they. That's what they think.

[Bradley Martyn]

That's what I mean. Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Right.

[Bradley Martyn]

That's absurd.

[Bob Menery]

Wait, so what's. Why do they do that?

[Steiny]

Yeah, so can. I'm trying to understand.

[Bob Menery]

Sounds like a fetish.

[Steiny]

I really want to understand.

[Bradley Martyn]

I feel like Steiny would do that with black guys.

[Bob Menery]

Get called a racist.

[Bradley Martyn]

No, like, you get paid to, like, have dinner with like black guys?

[Bob Menery]

Yeah, no, I already do that. What do you mean you would pay? Maybe. It depends who it was.

[Matt Walsh]

It does. It feels a little bit like a BDSM type of thing where they just like getting torn apart. I don't know. But, but like I said, it's a real thing. I. So we, when we started making this movie, I knew I wanted to be. I wanted to get into one of those dinners, you know, I wanted to see what that was like. We wanted to document it. I would have loved to actually sit at the table and be a part of it. But. And we, so we called them up to see if we could document a dinner and if we could have and we told them was one of our producers could they actually be at the table. And they said that you have to be a woman to be.

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[Matt Walsh]

The table like a real woman. They didn't say that, but that's what they because they can't say because then of course that raises the question What's a woman? Which they can't answer. So they said that you have to be socialized as a woman to be allowed at the table. That's the way that they kind of try to thread that needle. So. And I wasn't socialized as a woman, so I couldn't sit at the table. But we found out that what, what.

[Steiny]

What constitutes, like, socialize as a woman?

[Matt Walsh]

Well, right.

[Steiny]

As a woman.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. Right. Well, what does that mean? It doesn't really mean anything. What it really, what they were trying to say is like, no, you need to actually be a woman. You can't be a trans woman. You have to be a real woman. But they can't say that. So instead they come up with some other way of saying it. So they say socialized. But we did find out that you can be a waiter. Like, it's okay if the, if men are waiters at the dinner. In fact, they encouraged that. They liked the idea of white men serving them. And so that was our way in and we found a way to set it up. How did you do that?

[Bradley Martyn]

How did you do that? On, like, the prank or, like, the logistics aspect? Like, how did you become the waiter?

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, you know, can't give away all the secrets, but it was, we set it up so that, you know, we will say this. We rented the house where, where the dinner was at, and, you know, we set up some catering for them, which is pretty nice of us. And I just happen to be one of the. Yeah, one of the waiters. And the goal in the scene was I wanted to earn my place at the table. I wanted to start by, by waiting on them. And by the end of the scene, I wanted to be sitting at the table with them. And, and as you see in the movie, like, I, I, I accomplish it.

[Steiny]

So obviously this is real, because you say that earlier, but I don't understand how there's this section of people that are, what, are just feeling bad because they're white. I don't get, I don't understand what, what, like this is a thing? This is a real thing?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Bob Menery]

Can you break down on the premise of what's going on for Brad?

[Steiny]

No, no, I understand the premise. What I'm trying to understand is, you're telling me is there's just a whole group of people that feel bad because they're white.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, that's, I mean, that, that's, that's the idea.

[Bob Menery]

White guilt is out there.

[Steiny]

So where does this, where is this coming from? Is it just people are just waking up and they're like, I feel bad that I'm white.

[Matt Walsh]

I, I mean, that's a good question. I, I've thought about that a lot when we're making this movie is why do like, why would you go to that dinner? And I'm not as confused by the, the DEI race hustlers themselves, the con artists. I know what they're up to. They make money off.

[Steiny]

Yeah. 100.

[Matt Walsh]

Robin D'Angelo is infamously in this movie and she wrote White Fragility. She's kind of like the godmother of this, of left wing racial ideology. And she's sold, I'm sure, millions of dollars worth of books and she makes a lot of money, so that's what she's into it for. But yeah, the people that go to the race to dinner or they go to the seminars, why are they there? And I think, I don't know exactly. Some people have theorized that it's maybe it's like, it almost is like a little bit of like a weird thing that they like to be told that they're bad. I don't know, there might be that. But I also think there's a spiritual element to it where these people are struggling with like, guilt and these kinds of really human experiences, but they don't have a religious framework for understanding any of that stuff. It's like, so me as a Christian.

[Steiny]

You'Re a profession, right?

[Matt Walsh]

Well, yeah, as a Catholic in particular.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

So if I, if I feel guilty about something, I feel guilty if I do something wrong, but I know that. Okay, well, I know why I feel good. I did, I've done something wrong. I can confess, I can, you know, I can find forgiveness in my, in my faith. And I have, I have that framework for understanding it. But these people have no religion, so they don't understand why they feel this way. And then you've got these race hustlers who come along and they say, well, I know why you're feeling that way. I'll tell you why you're feeling that way. It's because you're white. And they become sort of like the priests and priestesses of this new religion, kind of guiding them on a spiritual path to forgiveness. Except that they find out that there is no forgiveness. You can't actually be forgiven. That's the, that's the trick at the end of it. So you could spend all the money on the seminars and buy the books and all that kind of stuff. You can go to the race to dinner. You can go five times to a race to dinner and you'll still be just as racist at the end, at the end of it as you were at the beginning.

[Bob Menery]

Yeah, I was wondering, so do they leave there in the same mindset, like feeling the same way, or do they seem changed at all?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, because you can never be not racist. That's part of the deal if you're white anyway. If you're white, you can never be not racist that they tell you that. In fact, I ask this question in the movie multiple times. I say like, well, what, you know, if I don't want to be racist, how can I, how do I rid myself of this racism virus that I, that I have? And the answer is, you can't. Robin D'Angelo tells me that in any given moment you can be less racist or more racist, but you can never be not racist if you're white.

[Steiny]

So why, why, why do you think this is only applying to white people?

[Matt Walsh]

That's the ideology that's left wing racial. That, that, that is when we talk about DEI or anti racism or crt, like any whatever word we're using, what we're really talking about is basically left wing racial ideology. And their, their ideology is, I mean, if you were to boil it down and make it as simple as possible, their ideology is that all white people are inherently racist. White people are the villains of history. All of societal ills, basic, ultimately go down to white people and the systemic racist structures that they've set up. And, and if you're not white, you're not racist. And that's pretty much it. Like that's what they believe. And everything kind of grows from that root.

[Steiny]

Doesn't that just then just. It gets kind of like directly or indirectly. It didn't just reverse racism, it's just racism as well.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, and I wouldn't even call it reverse racism. I mean, racism is just racism, you know? Right. So if a, if a black person is racist to a white person, that's just racism. It's not even reverse racism. But on left wing gender or racial ideology that we, that we're exploring in the movie, it's, it's, it's not possible for a black person to actually be racist against a white person. So a black guy could run up and like say, die whitey and punch you in the face. And that's not a racist attack. According to the left. According to these people in the movie.

[Bradley Martyn]

They actually said so, like, yeah, I.

[Matt Walsh]

Mean, stuff like that. That's an example that I'm coming up with. But they would absolutely say no Matter what a black person does, they cannot. They just. They definitionally cannot be racist.

[Steiny]

Who's making these definitions? That's my question.

[Matt Walsh]

That's always a good question. I mean, that. That's. That's. That's always the question. And a lot of this goes to, like, you know, these are academic ideas that started being popularized in academia oftentimes in, like, the 60s and 70s and 80s. And it's the same thing with gender ideology. You know, the idea that men can be women if they want to be and vice versa. These are ideas that started in kind of the academic realm and kind of stayed there for a long time, for decades, until they started filtering down from there into the general population. And we saw in 2020, with the racial stuff that was like this moment of just explosion where all of these ideas came pouring out and just took over society in a way that they hadn't. You know, I mean, they had existed before, but they just became, you know, suddenly it's like everyone is walking around talking about systemic racism and all this stuff. So. And that's usually the way it goes with these ideas, is that they start up there in academia, and then there are events. There are things that happen that allow these. That class of people to kind of use those events as a Trojan horse to get these ideas out into the. The general public.

[Steiny]

It just seems like it's all just to create, like, more hate. To hate. Make people hate each other more. Whether it's we're talking about the. The men, woman thing or we're talking about the racism thing. It's just like, why is it pushed to some extent that.

[Bradley Martyn]

That's what makes me sad, too. It's like, because I feel like as, you know, a society, I feel like we do, like, love each other, like, a lot. Like black, white people, whatever your ethnicity is. Like, I feel like there's not a lot of racism going on. So it sucks to see when, like, whether it's like the George Floyd incident or something, like, they'll just pick like, 0.1% of examples and just like, broadcast that to the world and then try to tell all black people that, like, white people hate you, when in reality, I feel like there is, like, not that much racism.

[Steiny]

Yeah, I mean, I.

[Bradley Martyn]

Anymore. I don't know.

[Matt Walsh]

I. I agree. I mean, that's. And we talk about in the movie. We start the movie talking about, like, in the 90s, when I grew up in the 90s and wasn't perfect. It wasn't a perfect time by any means. Like, there's Never gonna be a perfect time. But it, and there were, and there were racial ins. You know, there was race riots in la, there was the OJ Verdict and that sort of thing. But generally speaking, it was not a topic of constant conversation. Yeah, I went to school, public school with, you know, very diverse school. And we didn't sit around talking about, they weren't like drilling racism into our heads constantly. We weren't talking about systemic racism and all this stuff. People were, it was basically okay. Like it was as okay as you can expect. You're always gonna have racism in society, always. Where tribalistic humans are tribalistic. And so that, that's going to be one of those.

[Bradley Martyn]

You can never eradicate it.

[Matt Walsh]

Right. You can't eradicate it completely. You have to, you almost have to acknowledge that going in that this. Yeah, it's a bad thing. Racism is bad, hatred is bad. Envy, greed, all these things are bad. But if you ever have a plan to get rid of those things entirely, that's always a bad sign because it's just not possible. You can't actually do that. So you have to realize it.

[Bradley Martyn]

But anyway, theoretically, in a perfect world, you don't obviously want to have no racism.

[Steiny]

Right.

[Bradley Martyn]

You'd want to have no rapists, no murderers. But like, it seems like that's not. Unless it's like a euphoria.

[Matt Walsh]

Exactly. If it's like a utopia. But you have to start with debate. You have to start with the basic recognition of just reality, that any plan you have to make society better has to start with, has to start in reality. If you have some plan to improve society that isn't based in reality, then it's not a good plan. And it usually ends in horrifically. You know, any attempt to make a utopian society always creates the opposite. But yeah, in the 90s, it was like, it was, it was, you know, it, it, it wasn't this constant focus. It felt like. And we kind of, I think we got as close as you could possibly expect any society to ever get to being like a quote unquote, post racial society, which, which again, that can't really exist, but it's as close as you're going to ever see. And then Obama's elected the first black president and it would seem almost like ironically that things started trending the opposite direction. It was.

[Bradley Martyn]

Wouldn't that be like a legit, like, sign that society as a whole is, is not racist, that the majority of society elected a black leader? Like, I thought that would be like, as a society, we're like Factually not.

[Matt Walsh]

You would think so. And I was not an Obama supporter or Obama voter, but you would think that at least one of the positives that would come out of that is we could say, okay, well, systemic racism obviously isn't a thing anymore. You know, we don't have to worry about America being a racist society. We just elected a black guy to lead the country. But I think on the left, they kind of recognize that and, and they didn't want people to draw that conclusion. They didn't want us to say that, okay, well, racism isn't a big deal. We don't have to worry about it anymore because it's such a potent tool for control for them. So they had to work overtime after Obama was elected to create incidents of racism, to like find racism in society. And that's when you started hearing about. It was after Obama that, you know, BLM came about and we started hearing about all these police shootings that were. Or alleged examples of police brutality that turned out not to be. Mike. Things like microaggressions, you know, these kinds of concepts that didn't exist prior to Obama. They all came out because I think that it was, it was like, okay, now we have to work overtime to convince people that they're racist.

[Steiny]

So, so that we're saying that they are the people who are doing this to them. For this example, what you spoke to is the left.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I mean, generally speaking, like, the left is very broad. That's a, you know, it's almost like lack of a better term. I just say the left. Yeah, but we could narrow it down in this case to the left wing advocates of leftist racial ideology. You know, it's those people in particular, like the, you know, in the 90s, it was. Al Sharpton was one of the big. It's like if you thought of that group, he'd be the first name that would come to mind. It's like those kinds of people, after Obama had to work overtime to convince us that we're a racist society. And, and then what ends up happening is that you actually become a more racist society. Like racism becomes a bigger factor.

[Steiny]

Well, it seems, it just seems interesting to think that only, only white people could be racist. That's a, that's a crazy thing, I think.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, well, it doesn't make any sense. Of course, it's not true that.

[Steiny]

But that is racist in and of itself, isn't it? Yeah, because then it's like saying that's. That's the basis of racism. Is that because your skin is his Color, like, you don't. You're not going to agree or you're not going to like this other group, but you're. Because of the color of your skin that you're just racist. I don't get it.

[Matt Walsh]

Right. I mean, racism by. In my mind, racism is not a complicated subject. It's. It's. If you think that any group of people is inherently lesser than. Lesser than you.

[Bob Menery]

Inferior.

[Matt Walsh]

Inferior. If you, if you have hatred or animosity for an entire group of people just because of who they are, that then you're racist. That's what racism is. And if you don't feel that way about it about other races, then you're not racist. You might have other. Many other flaws like we all do, but you're not racist.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

And so it is pretty simple that way. But the people that promote this stuff, they don't want you to see racism as a simple concept like that, because then you could easily say to yourself, okay, well, if that's what racism is, that doesn't include me, I'm not racist. So I don't have to listen to these people. I don't have to buy the books and all that. But they don't want that. They're like, no, no, no, you don't, don't tune this out even. You used to. In fact, if you think you're not racist, that's all the more evidence that you are. So you got to buy even more books now and go to more seminars.

[Steiny]

And so it's just, it seems like a money thing. Like, I don't get it.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Bradley Martyn]

Where did, what's the agenda with that, in your opinion?

[Matt Walsh]

I think it's. Yeah, I think it's money. I think it's. Money's always involved in these kinds of things. Power, influence, you know, when you have people coming to you, trying to find out how to be a good person, there's a lot of influence in that. And, and so I think there's, I think there's that as well.

[Bradley Martyn]

I think those stories also do just sell as well, like, even in the media, right?

[Steiny]

Yeah, well, they started.

[Bob Menery]

Well, they fucking do it with Trump all the time, too. They push it on him.

[Matt Walsh]

Right.

[Steiny]

Well, I forget there was something where, like the, the search terms for like these sort of.

[Bradley Martyn]

That's what I think too.

[Steiny]

If there's like, like going crazy in media because they were getting views, they were getting engagement, or whether it be like a news article or whatever on social media, etcetera, it also became a big thing that, like, oh, if we type. If we use this as a headline, it's just sells.

[Bradley Martyn]

If there's a thousand. Yeah.

[Steiny]

Is a great example. And it's just like numbers are going up.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, that. That's. It's all part of the. It's all. It's all part of the narrative. And. And you know, they have. They have. The media even still has like, an incredible power to set narratives. Even the mainstream media, even though we all kind of think that, like, they're not relevant anymore because we have the Internet. We have, like, anybody can make a show and reach millions of people. You don't need cable news and the mainstream media outlets anymore, which is true. But they still. But. But those like older people a lot too.

[Steiny]

It's still an age still.

[Bob Menery]

That's. But you. The most recent case I can think of is like, Tyree Kill. Obviously you saw that situation, right?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, it's a.

[Bob Menery]

It's a little bit. It was a few months ago, but that goes so viral. It's talked about heavily for two or three weeks.

[Matt Walsh]

Exactly. So everybody just assumes that or just by immediately by the narrative that he was a victim of police brutality. Right. And then you watch the. The video and at least from my perspective, the. The. You know, you watch the body cam video and it's like. Okay. I mean, just like, it's. It's not that hard when you're interacting with the cops. It's not that hard to avoid a scenario where you get arrested or thrown on the pavement. Just be. Just like. Be like a minimum level of respect and decorum and don't go out of your way to be confrontational.

[Bob Menery]

Does any part of you think that the cops could have handled the situation a little different?

[Bradley Martyn]

I don't think it was racist.

[Steiny]

I don't think.

[Bradley Martyn]

I don't think they were racist. I think they. They should have let them. Tyreek go to the.

[Steiny]

Well, they weren't white, so they couldn't be racist.

[Matt Walsh]

Right.

[Bradley Martyn]

Tyreek had to get on the field.

[Steiny]

It was a Hispanic.

[Bob Menery]

He still played. I know, but he sort of touched on that game.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, he was still playing and they weren't even.

[Bob Menery]

The Celebration was pretty cool. I don't know if you saw Celebration.

[Matt Walsh]

I think. Listen, I think it was because I think I saw.

[Bradley Martyn]

Yeah, but there's a difference between police brutality and. And racism too, right?

[Steiny]

You gotta ask him.

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, look, I. I think in that case, I'm. And I. I watched the video one time and it was rolling up the.

[Steiny]

Window and it's tin. And they can't see, they're like, yeah, that.

[Matt Walsh]

That was the thing. You can't. You cannot roll the. Okay. He got pulled over, I think, because he was speeding, I believe. Right?

[Bob Menery]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Okay, I've been pulled over for speeding. I got pulled over for speeding a few months ago, and I was going like 8 miles over the limit or something. It was crazy. I mean, usually they give you 10 miles and they don't, you know, over the limit before they pull you over. I got pulled over for like eight or nine miles over the limit. And it's annoying, but, like, I still got pulled over and I was respectful to police officer. It's. You don't have to get out and kiss his boots, but you're just like, you're not trying to start an argument with him and. Because you also know that if I do want to argue my way out of this ticket, this is not the guy to argue with. You go to court to argue that. That's. This is not the time for that. But I also know that if I was. If I was driving a car with tinted windows and that cop is trying to talk to me about the ticket, and I try to roll up my tinted window so he can't see me. Yeah, I'm gonna get. My ass is gonna get pulled out and thrown on the pavement, too, because from the cops perspective, it's like, why are you doing that? Like, what. What are you doing that you don't want me to see right now?

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

And. And we've seen so many. We've also seen so many videos of how it can go when cops are trying to pull somebody over for just a speeding violation or some simple traffic ticket. And next thing you know, they're getting shot at. So they have to be thinking about that too. So I always get, you know, I give the cops some grace in these things, even if they're like, I think in that video, they're probably a little bit more.

[Bradley Martyn]

Little bit aggressive.

[Matt Walsh]

A little more aggressive.

[Bradley Martyn]

They probably themselves when they found out.

[Bob Menery]

It was Tyreek, well, they should have handled it a little different.

[Matt Walsh]

But. And I could. I could say it's like, yeah, okay, it seems like there's a little like you're having a bad day or something. But it's not racism, number one. And number two, I. I can just. I have more sympathy for the cop in that case than I do for Tyreek Hill, because Tyreek Hill, you're a millionaire athlete. You're getting pulled over. I know it's an inconvenience. Just deal with it, buddy. It's not a big deal from the cops perspective. It's like they deal with. First of all, cops every day are dealing with like the dregs of society. I mean they're the ones who are. Where did that cop just come from? For all I know, he just came from a domestic violence call or something and he's just dealing with like horrible people all the time. It's true. And that, that, that weighs on your psyche. And also you're aware that at any moment any person you're interacting with could just pull out a gun and try to kill you. And that happens all the time to cops. You and I, we don't have to worry about that. Yeah, most of the time. And so that makes them a little jumpy. So you know, I, I tend to just have, I, I have a little grace and I, I give a little leeway and, and I think, I think more people should. I don't know, it's not about.

[Bob Menery]

There's another really viral situation I saw the other day. I don't know the person's name, but it's a black trans woman. A cop was knocking at her door and he opened the door and she immediately stabbed him and he had to gun her down in the hallway.

[Matt Walsh]

That, that. And you know the name? What's that?

[Bob Menery]

Do you recall the name?

[Steiny]

I didn't see that.

[Bob Menery]

This was viral.

[Matt Walsh]

And I think it was actually not even trans. I think it was an actual woman, like a biological, I believe was a former basketball player or something like that. I don't remember her name. But yeah, the cop was responding for a mental. Because somebody called and said, can you go check on this person? They, they might be having some kind of mental episode. And the cop knocks on the door and the woman opens the door and immediately starts slicing at him with a butcher knife. And, and the thing is, if you watch that video, it's like a horrifying video. It almost, it looks not real, but it is. He's. He's backpedaling down the hallway, pointing a gun at her, telling her to stop, and she's chasing him with a butcher knife. Like a horror movie, like some slasher film. He waits a long time.

[Bob Menery]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

To actually pull the trigger. And I think he waits so long cuz he's worried about, he's aware of the fact that he's on body cam and he's aware that there are people out there that if this goes one way and that woman dies, there can be people who, who, who just want to throw him in, in prison for It. And, and fortunately he survives. But you know, I, I think he should, he should have.

[Bob Menery]

You can see in the video, he's like when I, he, he goes down to make his radio call, like blood dripping from his face in the video.

[Steiny]

Because she actually already stabbed him.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, well, she stabbed him. She slashed at him when she opened the door. He does not fire. He backpedals down the hallway trying to give her a chance to stop. He. She chases him the whole way down the hallway and then slashes him. And only at that point does he fire his, his weapon. If it were me, I would have fired it. Like the moment you're, you're, you're the. After the first swipe, I'm going to, you know. Yeah, you're done. I'm not taking a chance with that. But I think he took a chance because, yeah, probably he's aware of this. Like, this is a situation cops are in where when someone tries to kill them, they're aware of the fact that, okay, I can let them kill them me and I'll die or I can stop them from killing me and I might go to prison for that. That's like the ultimate lose, lose scenario that these guys are in.

[Bob Menery]

Yeah, I mean, there's something else I see now too is a lot of people like to. And I think they do it for. It goes viral on TikTok. But so many people just like to go up to a cop and say name and badge number just for no reason. I don't know if you guys ever see those.

[Steiny]

I haven't, no.

[Bob Menery]

But they just do it and it seems like they're kind of trying to take advantage of the situation and see what they can get out of the cop because the cop now knows that he's being filmed.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Bob Menery]

And they're like playing the situation, their advantage just for clicks. And it's just, it's just such a stupid thing if you really think about it. Why are you going out of your way to just mess with this guy? And they just do it to go viral. So I think that with the videos and the body cams, it's just taking, it's making things a lot worse than it needs to be.

[Matt Walsh]

And you're antagonizing people who, I mean.

[Bob Menery]

Look, you're just provoking situations at this.

[Matt Walsh]

Point and we all, we, we need people to do this job. I don't want to be a police officer. Like, I'm, I want people doing that job because I want to live in a safe society and you know, I want to have Somebody to call if I need them. But I don't want to do that job. You're not paid all that much. You could get killed at any moment, and you could also go to jail if things go wrong. So it's like, it's a pretty thankless job. And the. The more we. The more thankless we make it, the less people will be willing to do it.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

And then you're. And then pretty soon you're living in communities. And this is the case currently in a lot of communities in this country where they don't have enough cops. And. And there are some real. You know, there are some real drawbacks to that.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Needless to say.

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[Bradley Martyn]

Let's get back on the pod, I.

[Bob Menery]

Guess kind of switching it up, but I don't know how you feel about this. I've been trying to talk to Brad. We've talked about a few times of him maybe.

[Steiny]

Where are you going with this?

[Bob Menery]

What? Well, considering becoming a female just to compete in the world's strongest woman just because he could get the gold.

[Steiny]

A troll.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Bob Menery]

So if your friend could become a champion, but he has to do that. Would you support him?

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, look, I'm, I, I respect trolling. It's, I, I, I consider myself an artist as well, in the trolling, in the trolling arts. So I would respect it. I, I, I would never tell you not to, I mean, just to get.

[Bob Menery]

The W. Dude, you could be.

[Steiny]

I'm telling you, dude, I, I've never considered this.

[Bob Menery]

Well, you're not competitive. I feel like, bro, here's what, here's.

[Matt Walsh]

What I'll say, though, if you do, if you do that, don't change any. Like, don't shave the beard, don't cross dress, just go 100 as you look right now and just say, I'm a woman, though.

[Steiny]

It just reminds me of that south park episode where he's like, he's like, I won't.

[Bob Menery]

He's like, if you guys ever notice, how come south park, they're the goats. They can do whatever they want and no one ever comes after that.

[Steiny]

It's a cartoon.

[Matt Walsh]

It's a cartoon. And they also got grandfathered in. I mean, Family Guy too. And I, I haven't watched those shows recently, but, but you know, south park did a trans episode like they did that years ago. Yeah, it was like 15 years ago. I remember, I remember when that, I watched that episode when Mr. Garrison becomes a Woman, and just whenever it first aired and it was almost like I, I hadn't even heard of some of these concepts. It was, it was so early. But they were, they were way ahead of the ball. But I think, yeah, then they get kind of grandfathered in. The question is whether a comedy show, a mainstream comedy show, could come along today and tell those kinds of jokes. Probably not.

[Steiny]

Well, Dave Chappelle tried. Tried, Right. He got, he, I mean, he can never cancel Dave Chappelle, but he did a little bit out of one of his most recent specials and got a bunch of backlash. And, But I think it ultimately worked out better.

[Bradley Martyn]

Just makes you bigger.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Bob Menery]

Does that ever scare you how far you can take things without, like, fearing being canceled?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I don't worry about getting cancelled because for me, it's like, you know, I, first of all, I've been canceled so many times, at a certain point, it's diminishing returns for the people that are canceling you. And after, after you've been cancelled, after you've had the mob coming after you on a, on a large scale a few times, if you can, is that's one of the advantages of cancel culture. I think it's also why it's kind of Petering out, I think, is that if that happens to you, you got the mob coming after you, demanding the apology, telling you you're a horrible person, and you just refuse to apologize, and you continue doing what you're doing before and don't change a thing. Well, now that. Now it's, It's. It's. You've kind of incapacitated them. And the next time they try to do it, it doesn't matter, because they know how it's going to go. And that's why I think cancel culture, it's still a real thing, but I don't think it's like the height of cancel culture was probably four or five years ago.

[Steiny]

Yeah, it's definitely going down.

[Matt Walsh]

And it's because of this. Because you just needed people. You needed some people who were willing to say the things and piss everybody off. And then when everyone says, you need to apologize for this, they would look at the mob and say, no, I don't. I don't apologize. And Chappelle did that. And once you have enough people doing that, then it just kind of. It takes. You see how teethless they actually are.

[Bradley Martyn]

Crazy. How much has changed over the last, like, four or five years?

[Steiny]

So much.

[Bradley Martyn]

Like four or five years ago, you really couldn't say much on the Internet. And now it seems like people are saying, like, the most extreme shit possible just to go viral.

[Matt Walsh]

Yes.

[Bob Menery]

And what I want to ask you about your recent movie is have you noticed, like, it being pushed a little bit less or. I saw something about there's someone's not reviewing it, it's not getting as much press because it is a little controversial.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. I mean.

[Steiny]

Netflix, huh?

[Bob Menery]

No, but I'm saying, like, the. I think Joe Rogan actually talked about it, about how he saw that it's getting pushed less or there's less reviews. Certain people aren't reviewing it because it's so controversial.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, yeah. We got zero mainstream film critic reviews. So of the, you know, the mainstream film critics that write for whatever New York Times and Wall Street Journal and the. That you see on Rotten Tomatoes, like, zero, none of them reviewed the film, even though, you know, we. We released it in theaters, it debuted in the top five in the box office. It is right now the top documentary of the decade for box office returns. Wow. It's like a top. It's top 35 in the genre all time. So it had real success in the box office. Now it's. Now it's on Daily Wire, available on DailyWire.com but in spite of that like, the film critics just pretended it didn't exist and refused to review it, which I think is probably. I don't know if it's the first time ever, but it's pretty uncommon that a movie can be widely released in theaters, debut in the top five in the box office, and not be reviewed by a single mainstream critic. But that's what happened here.

[Steiny]

And why do you think that is?

[Matt Walsh]

I think because they're. The subject matter is too controversial for them. They don't like me. And we know that part of it because we actually, we sent screeners to all the critics and we got some responses back from some of them saying, like, I hate Matt Walsh. I'm not. I wouldn't review this if my life depended on it. You know? And also, I think. And, you know, this is. Maybe I'm biased, obviously, but I think it's a good. It's like, it's a good movie and it's funny. And, you know, you could. It's not. No movie's perfect. Like, you could. You could try to find criticisms here and there, but I think they only wanted to review it if they could give it, like a zero out of five stars, say it's the worst movie of all time. It's not funny. It's lame. It's terrible. If. If we gave him a movie like that, if we put a movie out that was actually bad, then we would have gotten all the mainstream film critic reviews, because they could have. They could have trashed it, which is what they want to do.

[Steiny]

Couldn't they just do that anyways?

[Matt Walsh]

They could do it anyway. Yeah, they could. They could, but it just wouldn't be credible like that. You can't. Anybody who watches the movie, again, you know, it doesn't. I'm not saying you have to think it's a perfect film, but you got to at least admit, like, yeah, it was well made. It's. It's pretty funny. And I think for the film critics, they don't even want to say that. And they're worried that. That if they were. Even if a film critic were to come out and say, I don't like the movie, it's a bad movie. Matt Walsh is a terrible guy. He's evil. But, you know, it's kind of funny in parts. If he were. If a film critic even says that, their audience is gonna tear them apart for that. Like, their readership's gonna be mad that you platformed Matt Walsh and you said you liked the movie, sort of. You said something nice about it, and they don't want to deal with it, so they just pretend it doesn't exist because they're worried about their own readership. And by the way, we saw that with. We didn't get any film critic reviews from mainstream critics, but we did have some journalists from, like, I think the Washington Post, the New Yorker, and a couple other publications. They weren't film critics, but they were journalists who did watch the movie and talked about, you know, their experience with the movie and said some nice things. Like they. They criticized me and the film, but they said some nice things about it, and that's how their readership responded. The readership was really angry at them for saying anything nice about the movie.

[Steiny]

I have a question for you specifically in your, like, journey in all of this, like, what made you want to get started in this sort of genre? Like, in this kind of. I don't know if it's called counterculture, but viewing of culture in the way that you view it, like, have you, have you always been that way? Like, growing up? Are you, like, this is a. This is weird. I want to talk about it. Like, how did you get towards that? Not obviously not the specific topics, but in general.

[Matt Walsh]

You mean for making movies or just in, in general?

[Steiny]

I guess in general. And then what. What made you go towards these specific topics?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I think. I mean, I've always been, you know, right wing. And. And so it, like, right wing is counterculture. That's. That's what the counterculture is. And I've always been. I've always been that, what is it?

[Steiny]

But wouldn't. Wouldn't have liberalism or left wing had been the counterculture for so long, though.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, exactly. It was. It was. And that's. And, and. But the left now owns the culture. They own all the institutions. They own all the, the Fortune 500 companies. They own academia and media and the federal government. So they are, you know, you can't be the counterculture when all the major institutions are owned by you. And so now they are the culture. They're the dominant culture. And if you oppose them, then you're the counterculture, which is also, by the way, why I think the left, they, you know, they don't. They don't really. Their comedy isn't good anymore. They forgot how to be funny. They forgot how to make good art. And I think this is one of the reasons why that it's hard to make compelling art and compelling comedy. Yeah, that's defending powerful institutions.

[Bob Menery]

I want to ask you about. SNL recently is getting. People are showing them A lot of love. Because it seems like they are getting a little bit more edgier with the whole. They're doing a bunch of skits, making fun of influencers. Kamala, have you noticed that at all, that they're being a little bit more edgier?

[Matt Walsh]

I have noticed that a little bit. I don't watch. I haven't watched, like, a full SNL episode, and I don't know how long. Decades, probably. But I see. I see the clips when they come up on YouTube. I think, like, most people, I have been impressed.

[Bradley Martyn]

Seems like they're shitting on Kamala a bit.

[Bob Menery]

Yeah. So.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, I. I don't know. I mean, I think their Kamala impression, the Maya Rudolph impression, is pretty lame. Like, it's pretty tame. You could tell that they're.

[Bradley Martyn]

They're trying at least a bit.

[Matt Walsh]

They're trying a little bit, but they also. They don't want to actually insult her. But even so, I mean, I. Every once in a while, I'll see a skit from SNL where I'm kind of impressed. I'm like, this is. Okay. Maybe you're getting your funny bone back a little bit. I don't know. And every once in a while, they kind of go. They lightly tread somewhere where you're sort of impressed that they were willing to go there at all. But the bar is pretty low these days. Like, and I think it's because on the left, you know, comedy has been dead for. I mean, when's the last time, you know, what's the last funny, major studio comedy film to come out? Unless you're counting these superheroes should actually.

[Bob Menery]

We should actually see if we can answer that.

[Bradley Martyn]

It's been a while interview.

[Bob Menery]

There's got to be some more recent than that.

[Steiny]

So.

[Matt Walsh]

Good. But that was like, 10 years ago.

[Steiny]

Yeah, that was.

[Matt Walsh]

I.

[Steiny]

In my. If I'm answering that question, it's the interview.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. Because I always felt. And I never. I didn't see that one. But to me. To me, it seemed like 10, 2012-2014 was the end of mainstream comedy, and then it just went away for, like, a decade. But you think it was more recent than that?

[Bob Menery]

Yeah, I'm trying to think, but there's got to be something, bro.

[Steiny]

It's the interview. It's the last one.

[Bob Menery]

That was, like, controversial and funny.

[Steiny]

Yeah. Yeah, it's so good.

[Bob Menery]

Maybe you're right, dude, because that was back when.

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, it had, like, the early 2000s into the early part of the 2010s, when you had.

[Bob Menery]

When was when did Bruno come out?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, so, I mean, that was Sasha Barrick.

[Bob Menery]

That was Bruno. Bruno was amazing.

[Matt Walsh]

2010. I mean, the first Borat was 20 was 2006 or 7, I think. And then, yeah, it was right around, like 2013ish that they just stopped making comedies, and they haven't really done it since. And I think this is part of the reason why, where it's like, you can't. There's so many rules now.

[Bob Menery]

You think stand up is kind of the last place that the. That form of comedy exists.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, and there's a lot of funny stand up out there. But even, Even the funny standups these days are they probably wouldn't identify themselves as conservative, but they're not leftists. Like, they're. They're kind of right of center, at least, you know, guys like Shane Gillis or whoever. I mean, I don't. He's. He's not. Yeah, I would call him conservative, but he's not. He's not a liberal. So you got to kind of be like, on. On this side of the center or the right side of the center at least to do funny comedy these days. It seems like unless there's some hilarious leftist out there that I'm not aware of.

[Bradley Martyn]

Maybe there is the talk show host, too. I didn't even realize because we just did Trump and we asked him about all the different talk show hosts, and like, I never even watched them, but just like, even seeing their responses to that, like Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, yeah, Colbert. They're all like. All they do is just trash Trump every single show.

[Matt Walsh]

And they. Yeah, they trash them. And it. But it's so weird in a way that's not funny. Like, you. You could make fun of Trump in a funny way. And there's. There, There are a million funny Trump impersonations out there. Even the Trump impersonation on SNL now is pretty funny. Took him a long time to find a funny one. But the guy who does it now is funny. So you could. You could be funny and make fun of Trump, obviously, but the problem is that when they make fun of them, they just hate him. And, and they're not even trying to be funny. It's just like, there's so much, like, hatred and contempt in their jokes about Trump that it's just. It doesn't have. It's not funny. It's. It's. And I think especially to make a parody or a satire of someone, to impersonate someone in a funny way, you have to have a little bit of almost like, affection for them. Yeah, at least a little bit. Where you, you know, so like the guy in snl, and I don't know who it is who does the Trump impersonation, but it's funny. And you could tell that he, that guy, I'm sure he's probably a liberal, but I don't think he's, like, seething with rage at Trump because he's, he studied him enough to pick up the mannerisms and, and I don't know if you just, if you're just blind with rage. That's not a good starting point for comedy. You know, it seems to me going.

[Bob Menery]

Back to I am racist. Is there any party when you do these? Because it is like a documentary as well. Do you ever have, like, empathy, or do you ever change up how you feel, or do you always just stand on going in there how you feel you're going to come out? Because you do talk to so many different people, and maybe one of them has made you think differently.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I mean, there's certainly moments in making this film where we talk to people who I definitely empathize with and was. But those were, it was usually like we, we, we went and talked to. There's a scene where we go to a biker bar actually, here, it's here in Tennessee. This, this biker bar, and they've got, like, Confederate flags hanging on the walls and all that. And we talk to them about these racial issues. And, and the reason we go there is because if you listen to the media, you would expect to find nothing but virulent racism from these people. And we talk to them, and what we find is that they all, they're all just saying, hey, man, I don't, you know, I don't care what color you are. We all believe the same. If you're black, it's fine. We can still be friends. I don't, I'm not focused on it. That's what we heard. And then we went down in New Orleans to the black community, the, you know, the poor black community in New Orleans, in the city, and talked to them, and we heard the exact same message, the exact same thing of, hey, it doesn't, you know, I don't, I'm not focused on race. We all bleed the same. They both said the exact same phrase. And so, yeah, having those kind of conversations with those people, I feel for them, I relate to them. But when I'm talking to these, you know, when you're talking to somebody like Robin D'Angelo who's pushing this stuff and, like, Harming society. She's harming people in a real profound way. Harming society. I don't. I don't feel bad for her. And when we're putting things on, you know, when I'm. When we're getting footage that's going to be very embarrassing for her and probably destroy her career, which is exactly what happened. Your career is over. I. I don't. I don't feel. I don't lose a second of sleep over that, because, number one, you had it coming. Number two, you brought it on yourself. And really, we're just. We're providing you an opportunity to say what you think and to live by your own, you know, principles. And if anyone ends up really horrifically embarrassed in the film, in this film or our last film, which a lot of people are embarrassed, it's like they. That. That was on them. They didn't have to. They didn't have to make those choices. And the other thing, too, is that in. In this movie, know we brought up Borat earlier, and I think Borat's hilarious. But when you watch that movie, who is he, like, putting on camera? Who. Who is he embarrassing? He's embarrassing normal people for the most part, just like normal everyday people that he's. That he's. And he's kind of tricking them into saying and doing embarrassing things. But we don't do that. We're. We're punching up, like, we're going for powerful people, you know, Ivy League educated, powerful, influential, wealthy people. That's who we're going after. And we. And we said going into the making this movie that if there's ever a scene where we do talk to normal people in those scenes, I'm going to be the butt of the joke, not them, because I'm not. I don't. I don't want to.

[Bradley Martyn]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't want to embarrass some normal person. And then now it lives forever, you know, in this film, and they got to deal with it. I don't want to do that. So when we went to the biker bar we went down in New Orleans, I was the stupid one saying stupid things and just getting them to react to it. And they reacted like normal people. They came out looking great.

[Bob Menery]

Yeah, there is a lot of. A lot of people that do like to challenge the normal people, the college students that, like. We'll use Charlie Kirk as an example, who's so much. Who's so far educated about. Against everyone he goes up against. So you're saying basically, like, that's beneath you and you don't want to try people like that.

[Matt Walsh]

It's just, well, that's a little different. And because the college students. I've done that, too. I go to the. I've done the campus talks and we do a Q A. And first of all, that's a very different thing because that's. You're holding an event and you're speaking and people show up and they want to challenge you. Like, they made the effort to come and challenge you on camera. There's certainly no trickery involved. It's like. And. And so I put that in the category of, okay, well, if you get embarrassed there, you signed up for that. You brought it up, right? You. You volunteered for it. So there are, you know, there are. There are videos of me floating around out there. You know, matt Walsh destroys woke college kid. And it's always the same thing. I'm at a. I'm at a given a talk. It's a Q and A. I love those videos, though.

[Bob Menery]

They are.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, they're fun. Now, I do think I.

[Bradley Martyn]

You know, those always bang on YouTube, too. And capital letters, they go crazy. Shapiro, 1 million guaranteed.

[Matt Walsh]

Shapiro's got a million of them.

[Bob Menery]

They did it on T or they.

[Bradley Martyn]

Shapiro used to be dope at that.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. Yeah, it is kind of like. I will say I haven't done. I haven't done a college talk in a while. I didn't do any, by the way.

[Bob Menery]

I wasn't trying to, like, throw shade at Charlie Kirk. I'm just wondering if that does.

[Matt Walsh]

It's a fair. It's a fair point. It's a fair point. But, yeah, I think it's a. I think it's a. It's a. There's a difference. And for Charlie, he's. He's like, it's a debate. Let's debate. Which is different from the whole Borat thing of I'm going to create this elaborate scenario where you don't even really understand what's going on and you're going to end up embarrassed in a movie that millions of people see. And, yeah, like I said, we did a similar thing with this movie. Am I racist? But we were making it for specific groups of people, not for just average every day, you know? Yeah. Folks. Yeah.

[Bradley Martyn]

I was wondering, we're probably pretty guilty of that.

[Bob Menery]

Well, you never know now what's for educational purposes and what's for views, too, so.

[Matt Walsh]

Right. I mean, it's, It's. There's nothing wrong, like, there's nothing wrong with getting views. We all need. That's part of the business we're all in. Yeah. You know, that's, that's so. I don't know. And I mean, there are plenty of times where I have, like I said, going back to those college videos. Yeah. You know, you can look at some of those videos and you're like, well, that was. Yeah, I got some blue haired woke college student trying to argue with me and prove that women have penises or something. And it's like, it's just, it's pretty low. It's like literally low hanging fruit in a lot of different ways. And it's, it's, it's pretty easy to embarrass them. So. But like I said, they kind of bring it on themselves.

[Bob Menery]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

Going back to the, the presidential thing. Not so, I guess not much so much the presidential thing, but America in general and like escaping, I don't know, the grip that the military industrial complex has on us. Like talking about the wars and going back to war, continuing wars, like during Biden or whatever and you know, during Trump, there is none. Do you think we ever actually escape that? Because it seems as though like America's sort of built on this, seemingly from the outside looking in, like the funneling of money to these giant corporations to continue whatever conquest that they have evolved in different parts of the world. Do you ever think we get out of that?

[Matt Walsh]

I think to get out of it is a full on dismantling of. It's like. Well, Trump used to, in his 2016 campaign especially, drain the swamp was a big, was. It was a big slogan.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

I think then he got into office and found out that draining the swamp is a lot harder than you might think because the swamp is like everybody. I mean, the swamp is fucking deep. Yeah. If you want to drain the swamp, it means you're firing thousands of federal employees. And. And then it's also a weird thing because it's like you can't do it all yourself. So you almost need the swamp to work with you a little bit in its own dismantling. So it's a hard thing to do, but that's what it would require. And I hope that if Trump wins.

[Steiny]

But do you think we ever will? Because it just seems like if I.

[Matt Walsh]

Were being cynical about it, I don't think we'll ever, we ever will. But yeah, it's possible. You just need someone to go in there.

[Steiny]

It just seems like whether it's. If it's not war or if it's not like the, the COVID thing or if it's not something that's making money for this, this sort of system that we're just continually in this cycle of, whether it's that president or this president, we're in the same situation, just different timeline of like, where's our money going to defend or protect or the figure this out for this, this vaccine. And all the tax money goes here, it goes to this pharmaceutical company there. It just seems like we're just continuous cycle and it's almost like we can't even say it's necessarily a comma or a Trump or a Biden or a president. It's almost just like the overarching control and does that ever really dismantle? I feel like it's, it'd have to.

[Bradley Martyn]

Go to zero, I think, because like.

[Steiny]

We know everyone talks about the inflation and all this stuff and it's, it's really just because of the printing of money and then it's also the taking of our tax dollars. So then the money that we actually make is worth less because of the printing of money that then our tax dollars and the printing of money just ends up in like some military building bombs or building weapons or defense systems, whatever it is. And it's almost as if we're, we're going to be beholden to that forever as America. It just seems, it seems like, like we talk presidents and I, I know how important that is. But then it's like, does that ever actually shift and change where people aren't just constantly paying for wars here or defense there, or aid here or you know, pharmacy vaccines here. It just seems like we're, and that sounds cynical, but like if I'm just looking at it and then you hear people's perspective on the economy and the way daily life is lived and how expensive things are, it's like, well, that's the only real fix. Like, because then they say, you know, tax the billionaires all this, take all their money. And I think there was a figure that was like, if you took all the billionaires money, you'd run the government for like eight months. If you took all of their wealth.

[Matt Walsh]

Not even eight months.

[Steiny]

And so it's like a few weeks maybe, right? So if that's the case, clearly the government, the way it spends our money, is completely fucked and washed and we're just living in this like giant cycle of debt that we're just continually paying for and then be affected by our dollars is worth less and we're just. So whether it's a Trump or whoever, so where, where do we go?

[Matt Walsh]

I agree. Well, if you're looking for a guy to give you a hopeful message for the future. I'm the. You got the wrong guy for that.

[Steiny]

Yeah, I just. I think you're smart. I just want to understand if you have any. Like, how do you fix that?

[Matt Walsh]

Well, I. I think a lot of what you said is right. And this is. This is what's pretty demoralizing about it, is that we put so much emphasis on the presidential election, and it is important.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

The president is just sitting at the top of this gigantic blob, like, monstrosity of the federal government. And we see. I mean, Trump was in office and then he left, and they basically undid everything he did in, like 10 seconds, or most of it. Now, they couldn't do all of it. The Supreme Court is one that they could not undo. They still would like to try. They tried, but they couldn't. So there are a few significant things that they couldn't, but a lot of it, a lot of the kind of policy changes and all that, executive orders.

[Steiny]

Well, the border thing was instant, and then it was like, everyone's here again.

[Matt Walsh]

Right? Exactly, exactly. Because it. And it's because this, the federal bureaucracy is run by people. Like, it's not even really run by the president. And these are all people that have their own objectives and their own agendas. And then the problem is, you have a president and then the next one can come in and just erase all of that. So the only way out of it. That's what I'm saying. I think the only way out of it is with extreme measures. Like, why am I blanking on his name all of a sudden? The presidential candidate, the Indian guy, Vivek Ramaswamy. Yeah. I don't know. Forgot his name. He had a plan to. I think it was. He wanted to fire, like, half of the federal workforce, I believe, almost overnight. And that's really what it would take. Or maybe it was more than half, but it's going to take something like that. And of course, everyone listens to that plan and they're like, that's crazy. You can't do that. Well, that's what it requires if you want to actually make a dent. You want to stop the situation you're talking about, then you got to go in and you've got to start cleaning house.

[Bradley Martyn]

I guess Trump wants to bring Elon in with the whole government efficiency, the.

[Steiny]

Jokingly, the Doge thing, but, yeah, the government efficiency thing. And him coming in, kind of doing what he did to Twitter, I guess, be like, you guys are all like, exactly.

[Matt Walsh]

It's exactly what Elon does.

[Bradley Martyn]

We should take a businessman to do that and just like, take a. Like, nothing's changed for so many years. There's got to be ways to make it more efficient.

[Matt Walsh]

Elon did that. He went into Twitter and fired almost everybody. And what do you find? Well, the website still runs. It's fine. It's like, it's better now than it was before. And what does that tell you? It's like all these people, I mean, even putting the ideology aside, that are a bunch of, you know, putting aside the free speech issue, which is the most important thing of Elon taking over, but also just shows you that there was all these people working at Twitter who just did nothing. Like, they had no reason to be there. And you get that with any large organization, you end up with this bureaucratic. This, this bureaucratic phenomenon happens even in the private sector, which is why Elon was able to fire almost all of them. Company still works. So then, then expand that to the federal government, where you've got hundreds of thousands of people working. How many of them could you just fire tomorrow? And none of us would even notice it. Like, it would not change our lives at all because everything would still be working, maybe even be working better. I mean, there was that video. I don't know if you guys saw this video that was. Went viral a couple days ago of the hurricane cleanup efforts by fema. And they showed some. There's a video they took of like 13 agents. I think there were CBP Custom Border Protection agents who were. They were transporting one, like 10 pound log 20ft because a guy was like cutting a tree, and then they needed to throw the log on a pile of logs 20ft away. And they had 13 agents standing in a line, just passing the log from one agent to the next so that it could travel 20ft.

[Steiny]

There's no way that's real.

[Matt Walsh]

It was 100% real. And it's like, you look at that video, it's a perfect encapsulation of the problem because you don't. You could get rid. You don't. You only need one of those.

[Bob Menery]

Like, we just got to get stronger people.

[Steiny]

Been over there.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. You need one guy. You need just one of you to just, just.

[Bradley Martyn]

BRAD TAKES OVER fema I'm down, right?

[Steiny]

Sign me up.

[Bob Menery]

It's a way more efficient, less people.

[Matt Walsh]

Or, you know, like, go to Lowe's and spend 60 bucks on a wheelbarrow. And you could put 10 logs. You could have one guy transport 10 logs in the time it took 13 to do one real visual with a wheel.

[Steiny]

Yeah, I get it.

[Matt Walsh]

So is that some. Can someone come in and look at a video like that and say, okay, you're all fired. Like, if all you. This is. If this is what you have to do, then you're just done. And, you know, I. I mean, Trump, he got famous with you're fired. Like, that was his catchphrase. And. And I think he needs to get in there and actually do that. And look, he's got nothing to lose. Like, they tried to kill him. They want to throw him in prison. I'd love to see him go in, just.

[Bradley Martyn]

Just fucking clean house, right? Like in the wars, clean house.

[Steiny]

That'd be amazing.

[Bradley Martyn]

Lower energy, that. Imagine he comes in and they just do it. I feel like they're gonna do that. I feel like that's.

[Steiny]

I mean, they talked about it a lot. It seems like it's almost like at this point, if they get in, they have to do that to some degree. I don't know what degree.

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, it's. It's harder than. It's. We can make it sound easy when we're just sitting here.

[Steiny]

Right, right.

[Matt Walsh]

It's harder to actually do, but I think a lot of it is hiring the right people. And, yeah, if he gets somebody like Elon Musk to help him with that, gets Vivek in there and in the cabinet, like these guys that have done it in the private sector and they.

[Bradley Martyn]

Have RFK on the health stuff, it seems like they're. He said the first time, too, he went in and it was so bureaucratic that he didn't know what person to appoint at what head of each department. And he says that's the biggest thing that he's going to fix this year.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, because most of these guys are in there. Like, most of these people that have these government jobs, their whole job is really just to justify their job. And they just spend all day doing things to justify the fact that they have a job to begin with. Things that don't need to be done or have already been done, or it's redundant. And that's what you get with these organizations. And we're just. It's like. It's killing us. We're drowning. I mean, yeah, the government spent $6 trillion last year or something like that. I mean, this is just.

[Steiny]

It's crazy to think what America's become like, given what the resources and everything that it has, that we've just become this, like, giant cycle of waste and still so many people Struggle.

[Matt Walsh]

And on top of that, you got these morons who they think the solution is to just tax more and take more money. You know, they say, well, the rich aren't paying their fair share and all this kind of nonsense. And I know it's not popular to defend the rich, you know, but once you get up there on the income bracket, like, you see that, because if you listen to them talk, if you listen to Kamala Harris, like, oh, the rich need to pay their fair share and you don't make a lot of money. You hear that, you think, yeah, okay, that, yeah, oh, they're not paying any taxes at the rich people. And then you. You make it up the income bracket and you, like, you look and you realize, like, holy, I'm. I'm paying. Like, they're taking half of your money.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

What do you mean not paying my fair share? Top income bracket for the federal, you know, federal income taxes is 40, almost 40%. That's not even counting property and state taxes. And this is all. That's insane. It's insane to take that much money from people. I don't care if they're rich or not. And all of that is just going to feed this beast, this behemoth, you know, and we got to just. It's. It's. At a certain point, someone's got to put a stop to it, and it's scary.

[Bradley Martyn]

Next four years, hope it actually happens.

[Steiny]

And even in the health sector, like, you talk about RFK and make America healthy again is like, how we even got to a point of such an obese and out of shape and just fucking unhealthy country, given the, like, again, all the resources we have. But it then, it just points directly back to the pharmaceutical industry and then making money from medications. It's like, how. How does everyone not see how big of a bullshit scam it is? It's like, how did we get here? And then people defend that and it's like, how are we even.

[Bradley Martyn]

Because it's so evil. I think that, like, yeah, some people don't want to accept it.

[Steiny]

Like, I remember when I was a kid, it was like, yeah, you got to eat this many, like, this much grains. And grains are good for you. And grains are like the things that cause most of the health epidemic in this country. And we're just like, that was a staple that kids and families were taught for so many years. And it's like, funded by the people who are going to the agriculture industry that was going to make the most money from this, to be the Case to then basically us for years and now we're trying to fix it and unravel it. It just seems like humans are so innately selfish that like we're. No matter who it is and no matter at what point does it change or if there's a new guy here, it's like it's. Let's say we drain the swamp. Right. Exactly what we're talking about. Then in what, another 100 years is the swamp just a different set of swamp members? Like it just seems like we're. And I, I know it sounds cynical and it's sad when I say that, but I can't see it being another way because we're not going to change humans. Like that's the sad part.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. Well, I walked in here feeling okay, but after talking to you.

[Steiny]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bob Menery]

I'm sorry.

[Steiny]

I'm sorry.

[Matt Walsh]

No hope. I, I have no hope for the future now.

[Steiny]

I'm so sorry. Yeah, I have hope. But it's like no, you're not wrong. It's almost like you have to change the, the innate nature of humans to not feel like I need more than you every single time.

[Matt Walsh]

You're not wrong. When you like part of the problem, you bring up the pharmaceutical industry. People want to be able to trust like the pharmaceutical industry, they make medicine supposedly doctors.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

I think for most people your instinct is to trust like well they make medicine, we should trust them. And then you find out over time that. Well I once, once you find out you can't trust these people anymore. That's when you have. It's like people don't know where, where to turn. And with the farm and, and you know, the vaccine stuff with COVID I think was an awaking moment for a lot of people.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

But really with the pharmaceutical industry, I mean you know this, it's like the, the scandal. There goes the COVID Vaccine is just, is just the tip of the iceberg. I mean yeah, they've been getting people hooked on drugs. There's a massive basically drug cartel inventing diseases basically for people to. And then giving them the cure for it. I mean the pharmaceutical industry has been doing this for decades.

[Bradley Martyn]

That's so.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, it should have been a major scandal. And it wasn't that when it was revealed a couple of years ago that, and this, it wasn't even revealed because people that, that study this stuff already knew this. But it was, it became public knowledge a couple of years ago for example that the so called chemical imbalance theory of depression is, is not real. It's not true. So the idea that you're depressed because you have a chemical imbalance is made up. Not true. And the pharmaceutical industry had been selling antidepressants on that basis to millions of people for decades, telling them that if you're feeling depressed, take this, because you have a chemical imbalance in your brain and it will even out the chemicals, whatever that's supposed to mean. And then they come out with this study and they're like, yeah, okay, that's actually not true. That's not. So the, the reasoning behind this drug that we've. This whole series, this whole classification of drugs that we've been selling and made billions on, it was built on a lie.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

And that. It's like that barely even makes a wave anymore because we're so used to being lied to by these people. And that's, that's part of what you're talking about, that the corruption in, in these institutions is, is really deep.

[Steiny]

So like I said, the question is, like, do humans ever innately change? I don't.

[Bob Menery]

I mean, you go ahead and take that one, Matt.

[Steiny]

Yeah, I definitely wasn't asking you that.

[Bob Menery]

Question, but I don't think I should answer that.

[Matt Walsh]

What do you mean innately? It depends on what you mean by innately.

[Steiny]

I just. You're, you're, you're trying to like, rewrite, rewrite the way humans are sort of wired, it seems like, to get more, to take more, to have more. Like, you can't, you're not going to.

[Matt Walsh]

You know, I think, I think an individual person can change significantly. Yeah, but changing people on a mat on a massive mass scale is a different, is a different thing. It can be done. I mean, it's been done for the. We've, we've seen it done for the worse. Yeah. And you could get people to change their behavior. You know, the government's done this. Like, look at just one small example. Nobody smokes cigarettes anymore. People have other ways of ingesting nicotine tobacco, but nobody smokes cigarettes anymore. And 50 years ago, everybody smoked cigarettes. And how did that happen? Well, it's because the government decided. It's like right when I was growing up, they were telling us about the evils of cigarettes. Just constantly, just drilling it into your head from kindergarten, basically because the, the government decided that this is something they wanted to. Like, this is, this is a change in behavior that they wanted to see, and it succeeded. And they, and now, you know, the, the younger generation, they don't.

[Steiny]

Or they just knew they had vapes cooking up and they were like, right, exactly. Vapes instead. Yeah, those are bad. Buy these.

[Matt Walsh]

They've gone into other things, right? Yeah, Vapes and weed. I mean, but so it's. It's not even an improvement is my point. But they did change that behavior.

[Steiny]

They just shifted it. They didn't change it.

[Matt Walsh]

Right. It's shift. Yeah.

[Steiny]

I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be cynical. I'm just like, it is what it is. I'm looking at it. I'm like, this is. This is an undeniable.

[Bob Menery]

Yeah.

[Steiny]

Like, do we.

[Bob Menery]

I don't really want to hang out with you.

[Steiny]

I'm sorry, bro.

[Bradley Martyn]

Like, all our days. Yeah, it's just like I was having a sick day.

[Steiny]

And then everyone talks about. Because, like, we're getting views, we're getting money, and it's like, dude, is it ever gonna change?

[Matt Walsh]

You're right. Nothing. Everything is terrible.

[Steiny]

And it just keeps going.

[Bob Menery]

Everyone's life, cigarettes.

[Steiny]

It's fucking vapes.

[Matt Walsh]

And you know what else? We're all gonna die too. That's the other thing.

[Steiny]

Fuck.

[Matt Walsh]

So getting the gym, all gonna be dead any moment. So get in the gym.

[Steiny]

Be better individually. Trying to bring it back now, you know, you know, you can't.

[Matt Walsh]

You can't try to shift that into a positive message.

[Bradley Martyn]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

At the end.

[Bob Menery]

No, you actually.

[Kyle Forgeard]

We're all depressed.

[Bob Menery]

Thanks, dude.

[Steiny]

Sorry, guys.

[Bob Menery]

Thanks, Matt.

[Steiny]

Hold on, hold on. So I guess the one last thing that I'll say then in this regard is like. Like you said someone could change on an individual level. And I think that's the thing that people have to look towards the most, because that's how ultimately it all. You know, if we talked about the cigarette thing, even though just warped into vapes, they were like. We all agreed at some point this was bad. So the question is really like, can people take inventory of themselves and go, what I'm doing is either good or bad. Do I want it to be better and start to actually change it? The sad part, like I said, it's just in relationship to, like, the overarching thing that you can't necessarily directly change, but I guess you can change, of course, yourself. And I think that's where this kind of like, if I'm trying to summarize it back down to something that could be good, that should be the focus then, because that's all you can actually change. So.

[Bob Menery]

Thank you, bro.

[Matt Walsh]

That's a good, inspiring message. Yeah.

[Bradley Martyn]

Yeah.

[Bob Menery]

Yo, we should all go get lunch. And Brad, you keep going. We're gonna go get lunch. You Just keep going, bro.

[Steiny]

Hey, I'm talking about the hard.

[Bradley Martyn]

No, this is a great combo. We appreciate you coming through.

[Steiny]

Yeah.

[Bob Menery]

Appreciate it, man. Thank you, bro.

[Bradley Martyn]

We'll put the link to the new movie in the Description. It's on DailyWire.com now.

[Matt Walsh]

Awesome.

[Bradley Martyn]

So everyone go check that out. I'm going to watch the full.

[Steiny]

Wait, it's not on Netflix. I could scroll. I saw something on Netflix. It wasn't that.

[Matt Walsh]

It better not be on Netflix.

[Steiny]

I swear.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, no, it's on Dailywire. Com. Yeah.

[Steiny]

He's like, fuck if that's on Netflix.

[Bradley Martyn]

Awesome.

[Bob Menery]

Thank you, man.

[Steiny]

Thank you.

[Matt Walsh]

Thank you.

[Steiny]

Thank you, bro.

[Matt Walsh]

Awesome.