Terence Crawford (2:40)

No, no, it wasn't, it wasn't like that. It was, you know, me going to Turkey Al and letting him know that I was serious about, you know, being interested in fighting Canelo and him. And a lot of people at first they was like, ah, nah, he's too big. You need to, you know, focus on your weight class and things like that. But at the time I'm like, well, there's no one at my weight class that's on that level of Canelo. You know, Canelo come from a smaller weight class. He's not massive fighter. You know, he's not six foot tall. He's, you know, he's thick, but he's not, you know, this, this giant. So, you know, picking Canelo was a thing that we looked deeply into at the time.

Felipe Esparza (3:32)

How much is he changing the sport? Turkey on the business side, only changing.

Terence Crawford (3:36)

His sport, you know, in a, in a, in a crazy way. Because if you notice, before Turkey came on the scene, none of these fights was getting made. He's making all the fights that the fans want to see. All the big fights, you know, they happening with him, they not happening with nobody else. When you look at, you know, bvol better be, that wouldn't happen. When you look at Usyk versus Fury, that wouldn't happen. There's so many fights that, you know, wouldn't happen because of financial reasons and the pay per view piracy is, is took over the sport of boxing. So, yeah, he come in and he got the check to pay the fighters to actually get in the ring. So he changed it in a, in a dynamic way.

Felipe Esparza (4:26)

What business skills do you think he possesses? Obviously, besides, you know, bringing the financial side of it to play?

Terence Crawford (4:31)

He's fair, but at the same time, he's a, he's a fan of the sport, you know, so he want to see the sport, you know, rise. You know, he's not just in it for, you know, money and, and greed like some other promoters and some other people that get into boxing. You know, there's a lot of times, you know, where he's losing money, but he's losing money because he loves the sport and he want to see the sport get to the level of where it used to be. Back in the days where, you know, football, basketball came under the sport of Boxing.

Felipe Esparza (5:09)

And I'm good friends with Dana White too. What does it mean to have him promoting this fight?

Terence Crawford (5:13)

It's new. You know, this is first time promoting a boxing event. But Dana's a great promoter as, as we all have seen in the years before us. You know, I think it's, it's a good thing. You know, you're seeing a lot of crossover between UFC and boxing and things like that. And I think if we all can collectively support one another in UFC boxing, we can make combat sports bigger than it ever been.

Felipe Esparza (5:45)

You think boxing as a whole, business wise is headed to this kind of behind a paywall method like a Netflix or. You saw the UFC's new deal with Paramount. Plus that's behind now. Like it's on a streaming service. Do you think the pay per view days as a whole is almost done?

Terence Crawford (5:59)

Yeah, for sure. You know, I think it's. Is really about to be over with, you know, because like I said, you know, so many people is still in the fights. It's kind of like back in the days when people started burning CDs.

Felipe Esparza (6:13)

Yeah.

Terence Crawford (6:13)

And on like Limewire and artists couldn't.

Felipe Esparza (6:16)

Do you ever use that Limewire?

Terence Crawford (6:18)

Nah.

Felipe Esparza (6:18)

Did you use none of it?

Terence Crawford (6:19)

I didn't have no computer.

Felipe Esparza (6:20)

Oh. So days just download all that.

Terence Crawford (6:24)

So it's like, you know, but you're.

Felipe Esparza (6:26)

Right, it all went to streaming.

Terence Crawford (6:27)

Yeah, it all went to streaming. So I think it's, I think it's better for the fighters as well, you know, to be fighting on apps where you don't have to pay or, or regular TV where you don't have to pay to see fighters fight. Because if you remember back in the days, boxing was on regular tv, you know, so the more viewers you can have on the sport of boxing, the more, you know, boxing rises. When you look at any other sport, top sport, it's on regular tv. That way everyone can see it.

Felipe Esparza (7:01)

Yeah.

Terence Crawford (7:02)

When you watch football, when you watch basketball, when you watch soccer, you know, you all, you always see these sports on regular cable or regular TV or ESPN all the time. So the more views and people that take an interest in this, in the sport will make the sports grow.

Felipe Esparza (7:22)

Does it get you excited to be fighting on Netflix? Like, I feel like there's no bigger platform than that. Right. This has to be your most view. This can be your most watched live fight.

Terence Crawford (7:30)

Yeah, for sure. Netflix is, is a huge platform and I, I'm looking forward to it. I'm. I'm really looking forward to it. I was on, you know, HBO when HBO was, you know, at the top. Espn. I'm just looking forward to seeing Massive the next move.

Felipe Esparza (7:51)

What's your secret? Been to moving up in weight divisions all these years?

Terence Crawford (7:54)

There's no secret. There's just the hard work, you know, just working, getting my body prepared to move up and things like that. A lot of people think it's a secret to it, but it's not. You know, being a boxer all my life and having to cut weight my whole life is, you know, difficult. But being able to just fight at your natural weight and, you know, eat properly and train how you want to train without having to hold back because you're like, oh, I don't want to put on too much muscle, or I gotta watch this because I gotta make weight. And not having to have those worries, you know, is all that I ever had to do.

Felipe Esparza (8:39)

One thing that's different about you than other champs is obviously other people grow up in their hometown and they. They move to Vegas or they move to la. But one thing that's super cool about you is you've chosen to just stay in your hometown. What do you think's the main reason for that?

Terence Crawford (8:52)

Why should I have to leave? You know, somebody made Vegas a hotbed for boxing. Somebody made California a hotbed for boxing. It's not where you. Where you go. It's the work you put in, you know, And a lot of people always told me, well, you got to go here, you got to go there, you got to go there. Like, no, I don't. You know, I'm from Omaha, Nebraska. I don't got to go anywhere. They can come to me, you know, and that's fucking.

Felipe Esparza (9:22)

When were people trying to get you to move out there? Like, earlier on in your career?

Terence Crawford (9:25)

Earlier in my career, Middle of my career. And I just.

Felipe Esparza (9:28)

To watch, like, train with people.

Terence Crawford (9:30)

Yeah, they wanted me to train. They wanted me to live out there the whole nine. You know, some wanted me to train, change coaches because they said, oh, well, them coaches brought you this far. They're not known for the professional level. So you need to get with a coach that's more notable, that's more, you know, season, and that's been there before. All that don't matter. If. If you believe in your team, if you got a great team around you, you don't have to change nothing up. You don't have to go to another team, because at the end of the day, like I said, somebody believed in that coach before. He was this coach that took a couple of fighters to the next level. You just got to believe in your team and know that you're in the right place because they the one that's gonna, you know, have your back through it all.

Felipe Esparza (10:23)

I know you opened up this gym with your coach in 2013, right? How long have you been training with your coach, though?

Terence Crawford (10:28)

Since I started boxing, which is like 30 years.

Felipe Esparza (10:32)

God damn, that's crazy. Was there any ever. Not that you want to switch up on your coach, but was there ever any temptation in your mind when people are saying, like, ever? And I'm sure when you started getting famous, like, it might have been tempting to live in a different place? How did you. What kept you?

Terence Crawford (10:46)

Like, my loyalty, you know, even when I was in the amateurs and I would go work out at the otc, when I go work out with different coaches and things like that, me and Bomac, we are always have conversations. We'll always talk, and he'll always just tell me, you know, learn all you can learn. He was like, I don't know it all, but learn all you can learn. And, you know, any exercises that you learn out there, bring it back and we can use it. And if not, then, you know, at least you know it. So we'll always just talk amongst each other and I tell them what I learned and he'd be like, oh, that's good. You know, let's. Let's, let's. Let's utilize that, you know, and things like that. And so we always had that chemistry. No matter where I was at in the world, me and him was always talking.

Felipe Esparza (11:36)

That's fucking cool. I saw after you beat Errol Spencer Jr. The, the victory parade. The videos of that are fucking crazy. It was like 20,000 people. That's got to feel amazing.

Terence Crawford (11:46)

Yeah, that was.

Felipe Esparza (11:47)

That makes me happy even just like watching it. Just knowing your story, how you, like stayed here.

Terence Crawford (11:51)

Yeah.

Felipe Esparza (11:51)

And your whole hometown, like, comes out for you when you win.

Terence Crawford (11:55)

That was crazy. That was crazy feeling to see all the support that came out and, you know, a parade dedicated just to you, you know, it made me feel appreciated, you know, for sure, you know, and let me know that my city is riding behind me.

Felipe Esparza (12:17)

So with the Canelo fight, do you think this is gonna define your legacy? Is this like a big moment or is your legacy already what it is now?

Terence Crawford (12:25)

This is definitely a big moment in my career. This is. This is a fight where, you know, people will be looked at me. Well, looking at me as one of the all time greats to ever do it. You know, this is. This is a. This episode is Brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing the budgeting game? Well, with the name your price tool.

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Terence Crawford (13:18)

What.

Felipe Esparza (13:18)

What was in your head when you knocked him down?

Terence Crawford (13:20)

Nothing really. You know, every. Believe it or not, every time I ever knocked somebody down, they came by surprise because it wasn't like I was looking for the knockdown. It was just a shock. Like, boom, Boom, Really? And like, boom. And I. Oh, all right.

Felipe Esparza (13:35)

You know, I mean, so you never got knocked down. You're like, I knew that was coming.

Terence Crawford (13:38)

No, I got knockouts, knew it was coming. But a knockdown, yeah, you know, that's the beginning of the end. You know, it comes as a shock, but then in your mind, you're like, all right, well, I know this person can't take that.

Felipe Esparza (13:52)

Who's hit you the hardest, you think?

Terence Crawford (13:53)

Gotta be Gamboa.

Felipe Esparza (13:55)

He just, like, hits like a truck.

Terence Crawford (13:57)

No, it wasn't that. It just that he caught me off guard, coming in with my hands down, being cocky, things like that. And he just, you know, caught me to where, you know, my whole one side of my body got stiff, so it was just like, boom. He shocked me, you know, like, bang. You know, I look all right now. I got to get him out of here.

Felipe Esparza (14:18)

What's your favorite performance of the ring? In the ring or one you're most proud of?

Terence Crawford (14:22)

I got a lot. You know, I can't just say, like.

Felipe Esparza (14:25)

Three of them or something.

Terence Crawford (14:26)

The Ricky Burns was one of my proudest moments. Dan Godango was one of my proudest moments. Daryl Spence was one of my proudest moments. So. Even the Victor Posto. So, yeah, I got a lot of, you know, proud moments in there.

Felipe Esparza (14:45)

Speaking of Dana White, too, is. Are you. Do you watch any UFC at all, or do you have. For sure, yeah.

Terence Crawford (14:49)

Who.

Felipe Esparza (14:49)

Who's some fighters you with in the ufc?

Terence Crawford (14:51)

John Jones, my boy. Man.

Felipe Esparza (14:53)

You guys have a personal relationship?

Terence Crawford (14:55)

Yeah, we cool. Yeah, we. We inbox and talk here and there, but, you know, I just, you know, benefiting him from jump, you know, I like to be, you know, Khabib, he's.

Felipe Esparza (15:06)

Got the crazy mindset, right?

Terence Crawford (15:07)

Yeah. My boy Mursad, he used to be in the ufc. You know, it's a lot. It's a Lot of fighters. Aljo.

Felipe Esparza (15:14)

We were just with Aljo the other day.

Terence Crawford (15:16)

It's a lot of them.

Felipe Esparza (15:17)

Who do you watch in the UFC that you think has the best boxing?

Terence Crawford (15:20)

My guy. What's his name?

Felipe Esparza (15:21)

You've seen Taporius? Cody Garbrandt?

Terence Crawford (15:24)

Yeah, he the best. He the best UFC boxer.

Felipe Esparza (15:27)

Have you seen Toporia? Have you seen his fights recently?

Terence Crawford (15:30)

Yeah, but I don't know, man. Cody got them hands.

Felipe Esparza (15:32)

Not. But he. Cody's not like, I'm not on him, but he's not on the.

Terence Crawford (15:36)

But I'm saying we talking about straight boxing.

Felipe Esparza (15:38)

Straight boxing, yeah.

Terence Crawford (15:39)

We ain't talking about nothing else. We talking about straight boxing skills. I just think Cody got the best boxing skills, you know, in ufc. That's just my opinion.

Felipe Esparza (15:49)

So you think if there was one UFC fighter that would have any chance against you in the world, it'd be him?

Terence Crawford (15:55)

Nah, but he's too little.

Felipe Esparza (15:56)

He wouldn't have a chance at all?

Terence Crawford (15:57)

No, he's too small in the boxing ring. Nah.

Felipe Esparza (16:01)

Do you think there'll ever be another huge UFC crossover boxing like McGregor, Mayweather?

Terence Crawford (16:07)

Yeah, for sure. You know, nothing's new underside. You know, if it's. If it's done once, it can be done again. You know, it started with Muhammad Ali. You know, he did the crossover, Mike Tyson crossover. You know, all these fighters, Mayweather, they. They do crossovers at a point where their career is, you know, either over or going down. There will be another UFC megastar, there will be another boxing megastar. And so happeningly, if they around the same way is it's going to happen when the right time is. Is right. But to say, you know, it's not. Is. It's not possible.

Felipe Esparza (16:55)

How do you see this fight with Canelo going?

Terence Crawford (16:58)

I'm definitely going to win the fight for sure, but, you know, I think it's going to be a tough fight. You know, I think he's gonna bring the best out of me. I'm gonna bring the best out of him, and it's gonna be an exciting fight.

Felipe Esparza (17:09)

Do you guys have any bad blood at all, or is it all business?

Terence Crawford (17:11)

It's his business. You know, I want what he got, you know, and that's them belts, and that's them that undisputed title, and that's. That's it. You know, it ain't personal. It's just, you know, he got something that I want after this.

Felipe Esparza (17:25)

I mean, this is so big. Does it get bigger than this?

Terence Crawford (17:28)

Not at all. This is the biggest fight in boxing, the biggest fight in Boxing. No other fight in boxing today is on the level of Terence Crawford and Canelo Alvarez.

Felipe Esparza (17:38)

What do you see for yourself after this fight? How long do you want to be in the sport? How long do you want to be actively fighting?

Terence Crawford (17:45)

I don't know.

Felipe Esparza (17:46)

You know, it's not something you think about.

Terence Crawford (17:48)

You just go, take one. One fight at a time, you know? One fight at a time. I feel great. I'm healthy, and, like I said, I'm looking forward to having some fun come September 13th.

Felipe Esparza (17:59)

And this fight's, I think, the first fight at Allegiant Stadium. Right. 40,000 people.

Terence Crawford (18:04)

I think we're gonna do a little more than that.

Felipe Esparza (18:06)

A little more?

Terence Crawford (18:06)

Yeah.

Felipe Esparza (18:07)

You're gonna squeeze them in.

Terence Crawford (18:08)

They're gonna do seven. 70 could be possible.

Felipe Esparza (18:11)

Holy. What was, like, the biggest arena you fought in? How many people?

Terence Crawford (18:15)

It had to be Lincoln, Nebraska. I think that was, like, 17,000.

Felipe Esparza (18:20)

Now it's going to 70. That's crazy.

Terence Crawford (18:24)

Yeah, that's good.

Felipe Esparza (18:25)

Does that, like, excite you? Fighting in a stadium with that many people?

Terence Crawford (18:28)

You don't notice it because you're in the. You're in the ring, so, you know, but it. It kind of. It kind of. It's kind of crazy, because when I went to WrestleMania, I got to go to Allegiance Stadium and. And view and witness the crowd and things like that and just look up.

Felipe Esparza (18:47)

That shit's big.

Terence Crawford (18:48)

Yeah. Look up and look around and just, you know, think to yourself, like, there's gonna be me fighting, all these people surrounding me and whatnot. And I was just like, man, it kind of saying chills through your body at. At that time. That's sick. Yeah.

Felipe Esparza (19:04)

Does this whole fight, like, the lead up to it, feel different? Does the camp feel different, or does it all just feel the same?

Terence Crawford (19:08)

To me, it all feel the same. Even though it's not the same. We put the work in every camp, no matter what. You know, it's grind time. We know this fight is different. This is, you know, a legacy fight, but at the same time, the work is work is work.

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Terence Crawford (20:16)

I'm real chill when I'm not training, you know, I'm more family oriented. I chill at my mom's house. I go play basketball at the YMCA with my nephew, a couple of friends. I go fishing. I'm real chill, you know? You don't drink? I don't smoke. I don't party. Really?

Felipe Esparza (20:36)

You've never drank or smoked, right?

Terence Crawford (20:38)

I don't do none of that.

Felipe Esparza (20:39)

That's crazy.

Terence Crawford (20:40)

So I'm. I'm just real chill, laid back.

Felipe Esparza (20:42)

What do you think? Never made you, like, drink or smoke ever?

Terence Crawford (20:45)

Your body is your temple, you know, and looking at my family members that had addiction to drinking and, you know, smoking, looking at people that was smoking and. And always told myself, what makes people want to be impaired and not know what's going on, or falling all over the place, busting their teeth out, busting their eyes open because they. They drunk and they falling down the stairs and things like that. I never understood, like, why to be messed up to where they don't know what's going on around them.

Felipe Esparza (21:23)

So you never. You've never been hungover, too?

Terence Crawford (21:25)

I never.

Felipe Esparza (21:26)

That's what you don't. That's what you don't ever want to experience. Being drunk but hungover, that's good that you haven't experienced that.

Terence Crawford (21:31)

Yeah, it's pointless. I just. And then, like, the smell of liquor stinks. Like. Like what. What good is it? It don't taste good. Like, what?

Felipe Esparza (21:42)

It can. Well, it depends. Yeah, if you're a drinker, but, yeah, that's good. You're dialed. Who do you think wins in a fight? You or Prime Floyd?

Terence Crawford (21:50)

Me.

Felipe Esparza (21:52)

No questions.

Terence Crawford (21:53)

Why would you think that I would say Floyd?

Felipe Esparza (21:56)

I don't know. I thought you'd hesitate, maybe even a.

Terence Crawford (21:58)

Bit, but, no, not at all. You know, that's one of my favorite fighters, you know, but, yeah, who's one.

Felipe Esparza (22:05)

Person or a few People you wish you could have fought in their prime.

Terence Crawford (22:08)

It's a lot. You know, if I can go back into history, it'd be Roberto Duran, it'd be Julio Scissor, Chavez, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, those type of fighters.

Felipe Esparza (22:25)

How about Mike Tyson if he was your size?

Terence Crawford (22:27)

If Mike Tyson was my size, stylistically, I would be easy. And Mike Tyson, you know, I mean, is well respected. But my size, Mike Tyson, I think Mike Tyson beat those guys because, you know, a, he was faster and more explosive than those guys, those heavyweight guys. When you look at Mike Tyson back in the days, he was ferocious. You know, this is speed and power and explosiveness combined. Like they couldn't keep up with it.

Felipe Esparza (22:56)

Wanted to get your take on the Jake Paul versus Tank Davis. They just announced the fight. What's your instant reaction to that?

Terence Crawford (23:03)

I don't have no, no reaction. You know, I don't, I don't know what's going on happen with 135 pounder going up against a 200 pounder. You know, if it's scripted, then it's gonna be good for the, for, for the fans to watch.

Felipe Esparza (23:23)

What do you mean by scripted? Like rigged?

Terence Crawford (23:25)

Yeah, like scripted like.

Felipe Esparza (23:27)

But none of those guys want a L, right?

Terence Crawford (23:30)

I think it's not a real fight. I think it's a. Because it can't be a real fight because they ain't in the same weight. So it'd be more like an exhibition.

Felipe Esparza (23:38)

I think it is an exhibition. But do you think they're like. But not one like, yo, I'm gonna throw the match.

Terence Crawford (23:44)

You think I don't think or you never know. Yeah, I think they're gonna go in there and spar. I don't think it's gonna be you trying to kill me or I'm trying to kill you. You know, I think it's, let's go in here and make this money. You know, it's more of a business tactic than anything because that's what Jake.

Felipe Esparza (24:00)

And Mike kind of did.

Terence Crawford (24:01)

Yeah, for sure.

Felipe Esparza (24:01)

Like everyone bought into that. And then when you watched it, it was just like, bro, this sucks. I'm friends with Jake. I like him too. But that fight, I didn't like that one.

Terence Crawford (24:10)

Jake, Jake too big for, for Tank. You know, in reality, he's way too big for Tank. Like, Tank is very talented. Punch hard, explosive, the whole nine yards.

Felipe Esparza (24:23)

But yeah, because some people say Jake's fight's rigged. He's like suing people now that say they're rigged. You see that? But how could they rig it before because, like, what if they just say, oh, we're gonna go soft on each other? And then Tank just throws it right at Jake.

Terence Crawford (24:36)

Jake can punch with that right hand. Like, I seen him, you know, I mean, up close, in person, like, dude is big. He's not as slow as people think he is. And he can punch, you know, that's why a lot of people know, like, there's those times where, you know, him and Tyson, you know, was in the ring and he could have, like, laid it on Tyson, but he kind of, like, held back.

Felipe Esparza (24:59)

You could tell.

Terence Crawford (24:59)

And that's same with Tyson. Like, Tyson could have caught Jake with something and he's just like, you know, so you, you, you can see it.

Felipe Esparza (25:08)

If you had to choose someone to win that fight, who do you think wins?

Terence Crawford (25:11)

Honestly, I think Jake by. By youth.

Felipe Esparza (25:14)

Really? Yeah, dude. Jake's a huge underdog too.

Terence Crawford (25:18)

The Human Tank.

Felipe Esparza (25:19)

Yeah.

Terence Crawford (25:19)

Ain't no winner. It's an exhibition.

Felipe Esparza (25:21)

Do you ever sports bet on fights and watch them? Yeah, because Jake's a huge underdog.

Terence Crawford (25:26)

Jake just. Jake just too big. He too big. If they really go at it, he's just too bad. Tank ain't gonna be able to get in for that job. Jake land one good punch on. On Tank, it's over with.

Felipe Esparza (25:41)

Do you think he can hit him, though? Look how fast. Yeah. Did you watch when Logan fought Mayweather? It's kind of like that, right?

Terence Crawford (25:47)

A little bit.

Felipe Esparza (25:48)

Logan did good, but I think Jake's a lot more experienced than Logan was at that time, right? Yeah. But Floyd kind of piece Logan up in that fight, right?

Terence Crawford (25:55)

Logan laying his shots too, though.

Felipe Esparza (25:57)

Yeah.

Terence Crawford (25:58)

You know, because Logan is longer and taller, you know, so Floyd had to take some risks, you know, at the same time. But, you know, Floyd experience came into play. You know, he started hitting him a little harder, started touching him to the body, you know, start making him work when he don't want to work. And, you know, you start seeing Logan start fading. He can go right here and then you start going like this. And then that's when Floyd started taking over.

Felipe Esparza (26:26)

What do you want your legacy to be like? When your career is all said and done, what do you want people to remember you for?

Terence Crawford (26:31)

Oh, man, everybody. Everybody's asking me this question. I always be like, man, it's. It's whatever. They. It's their opinion. Everybody gonna have a different opinion of Terence Crawford, you know, but one thing they can't say is that I ducked anyone. You know, I fought everyone that was available to fight, and, you know, I'm a family man. I love my kids. I love, you know, being an active father. That's my passion.

Felipe Esparza (27:02)

What's the best part about being a dad? And the hardest part, the best thing.

Terence Crawford (27:22)

Is the best, you know, because when you. When you're not around them and things that you don't like, you start missing it. You know, like when you sitting in camping, you just sitting back thinking. You're like, man, where them bad kids at making noise or with them kids that running around, jumping on me. Things like that, you know, you. You miss those little things. And as they get older, you know, it started to fade away, and you start looking back like, man, I remember you used to do this. I remember you used to do that. You know, I remember used to run. Run up to me and give me a kiss. Now you act like you're too old to kiss your dad and stuff like that. So you get to. You get to missing those little precious moments as they get older, but you appreciate it when, you know, they come back and when they, you know, doing it at the times that, you know that is going to be over with.

Felipe Esparza (28:16)

Yeah. Do they watch your fights all the time?

Terence Crawford (28:19)

Live, all the time?

Felipe Esparza (28:20)

Yeah. Are they going to be at the fight, too? At all seven of them, right?

Terence Crawford (28:24)

Yeah.

Felipe Esparza (28:25)

Yeah. Are any of them training?

Terence Crawford (28:27)

They train, but I don't let them box.

Felipe Esparza (28:29)

No?

Terence Crawford (28:30)

No.

Felipe Esparza (28:30)

Why not?

Terence Crawford (28:31)

I just don't want them to go through it, really. You know, I'm. I'm doing it so they don't have to do it. Then I couldn't, you know, see myself watching my kids get hurt, and I couldn't do nothing about it, you know? And then on top of that, I'm making a sacrifice to put my body, my life on the line for y'. All. So y' all don't have to do that. Y' all can go to college, be whatever y' all want to be without getting your head battered and. And bruised up.

Felipe Esparza (28:59)

Was it really tough, like, throughout your career, like training, like being a boxer and stuff like that?

Terence Crawford (29:05)

Man, boxing is hard. Boxing is.

Felipe Esparza (29:08)

Yeah, you don't really think about it. People don't see the. The lows of it, probably right. They only see the knockouts.

Terence Crawford (29:14)

Yeah, they don't. They don't see all the work that you put into the sport. You know, they don't see the politics that. That plays a big factor in the sport. You know, all the boxers that got railroaded or got cheated or didn't get, they. They fair shape because the promoter had more money invested into this fighter. You know, it's a lot of shady business.

Felipe Esparza (29:38)

We always talk about that, but, like, I don't really understand it. What's the. What's, like, the biggest issue with the business of boxing?

Terence Crawford (29:45)

Just your fair shape, you know, the opportunities, you know, you can be the number one contender, you know, and you can see these fighters keep jumping you and you. Like, when I'm getting my. My shot at the title, you know, I've been worked this far, but now I'm right here at the finish line. Y' all hold me back, telling me, oh, no, no, you can't cross the finish line yet. You can't. You can't get the opportunity to win yet. You know, he got to go before you. He got to go before you, and you're like, man, politics. Or I'm not going to fight you because you on that side of the street, or no, no, I'm not gonna fight him because he's not. He's not worthy enough or he don't have enough followers, or his name not as big as him. He's a great fighter, but his name not as big as him. Nobody knows him. So there's a lot of things that goes in. Into boxing.

Felipe Esparza (30:39)

Did that happen to you a lot on your way up?

Terence Crawford (30:41)

Oh, yeah, of course.

Felipe Esparza (30:42)

Like promoters screwing you and. Or just not believing.

Terence Crawford (30:47)

I would say. I would say the opportunities. You know, when I was coming up, when I first started pro, you know, a lot of people didn't want to fight me because I had the money behind me, and they knew that I. I had the talent and the skills because I was a top amateur. And it was like, well, if we don't have to fight them, we're not gonna find them for no couple of thousand dollars, you know, or a couple of hundred dollars. We want some. Some money to fight this kid because we putting our fighter in jeopardy, in harm's way of losing. And it's a business. At the end of the day, I'm not about to sell my fighter to this fighter that I don't have no ties to, you know, and make him look good and go to the next level, you know, and then my fighter gotta go backwards because he took a loss earlier in my career. I wasn't getting those fights. And then once I signed with Top Rank, I started fighting more often and things like that. And then same thing happened when I moved up and wait, like, I couldn't get those fighters that was at the top at the time that I was trying to get him. I was trying to all get them all, you know, and it was like, oh no, you over there, we over here.

Felipe Esparza (32:03)

And I'm like, was it a money issue or people just dodging you?

Terence Crawford (32:05)

It was just people dodging.

Felipe Esparza (32:07)

Yeah.

Terence Crawford (32:07)

You know, promoters been greedy, you know, not want to work with each other for whatever reason because they felt as if they have five, six fighters over here and you have two fighters over there. We don't got to go over there and fight you. We have a little round robin with these fighters over here and I can keep all the money. But if I go over there or you come over here and you take one of my champions out and you go back over there and take the belt. Now what I have, you know, you just came over here and took one of my belts and now I'm left with one belt or two belts, whatever.

Felipe Esparza (32:49)

What do you think's the solution to that as. As a whole?

Terence Crawford (32:52)

Like I said Turkey, you know, I mean he making all these promoters work together. And I think that would have been the best solution in the, in the beginning is they all work together and you know, split the money how it's supposed to be split it and make boxing great, you know. But when you have greed and, and play and nobody want to share with other promoters, everybody, like, I got these fighters, I don't gotta share. I got these fighters. I don't gotta have nobody else come over here. You know, a lot of promoters was doing that. You know, if top rank have the 130lb pound fighters locked, locked in, you know, they don't gotta go across the street or go nowhere else looking for, you know, I mean top fight fighters because they have all the top fighters. PBC at one point in time had the top 147 pounders. They didn't have to go nowhere, you know, because they had the top fighters in that weight division. So whatever promoter had the top weighted. I mean top fighters in that weight class had the power in that weight class.

Felipe Esparza (34:04)

What was your first like memorable big bag paycheck that you got for a fight that you were like, when you got it, you're like, okay, this is like crazy.

Terence Crawford (34:12)

I don't know man.

Felipe Esparza (34:13)

I'm like, was there ever a moment when you want to fight and you got the bag or like your first kind of check you can't remember?

Terence Crawford (34:20)

I think my, my first check that I was like excited about was Brady's Prescott.

Felipe Esparza (34:26)

Are you able to say what that was or no, it was only like.

Terence Crawford (34:28)

A hundred and twenty five, 000.

Felipe Esparza (34:31)

And how old were you at that time?

Terence Crawford (34:33)

25 24?

Felipe Esparza (34:36)

Yeah. That's sick.

Terence Crawford (34:37)

Yeah, like 24. But it was just like, all right. You know what I mean? Like, that was. That was something that I was just like, real excited about.

Felipe Esparza (34:45)

You weren't or you were?

Terence Crawford (34:46)

I was, yeah.

Felipe Esparza (34:47)

I mean, that's a lot of. That's a lot of money.

Terence Crawford (34:48)

But then, like, growing up, you know, it was just like, they're gonna take all these taxes out. It's all good. You know, you think you making all this money, and once the taxes and you start paying everybody, you'll be like, damn.

Felipe Esparza (35:04)

You remember the first time you found out why you had to pay in taxes?

Terence Crawford (35:08)

Always pay your taxes?

Felipe Esparza (35:09)

Yeah. Well, the first time, like, I started to make decent money and then I had to, like, we were living in California too, so I had to pretty much give up like, 50.

Terence Crawford (35:17)

Yeah.

Felipe Esparza (35:18)

That's when you really realize, like, bro, yeah, you gotta. This is not your money yet.

Terence Crawford (35:22)

Yeah, yeah. You'd be like, in your mind, you'll be like, man, I'm making a million.

Felipe Esparza (35:27)

Dollars, but pretty much say goodbye to like.

Terence Crawford (35:29)

Yeah, like half of it.

Felipe Esparza (35:31)

Yeah.

Terence Crawford (35:31)

And then you'd be like, damn, all right. Yeah, I gotta make more money, because that ain't no money.

Felipe Esparza (35:38)

And then the first time I, like, spent it before I had it, so I was like, oh, I don't even have the money to fucking. You know what I mean?

Terence Crawford (35:43)

Yeah. Yeah.

Felipe Esparza (35:44)

That's what fucks you at the beginning.

Terence Crawford (35:46)

Yeah. So it's crazy when you say you.

Felipe Esparza (35:49)

Wouldn'T want your kids to be. Be boxers. Like, what challenges that you face that would, like, not make you want them to be in the sport.

Terence Crawford (35:58)

I don't have any challenges, but the, The. The discipline and the hard work that you got to put in the boxing. This is yearly around, like, you gotta grind, grind, grind, grind, grind. Basically, you can't have a childhood, a life until after boxing. Your whole world is surrounded about. Around boxing, you know, your stress level, like, just everything.

Felipe Esparza (36:26)

So do you enjoy it, like, as a whole, have you enjoyed being a boxer or would you say it's kind of sacrifice?

Terence Crawford (36:31)

I enjoy it because I know what I'm doing it for. I know my purpose, I know my why. Know, some people just do it for the money, and then you see how far they go, you know, But I know my calling was. Was. Was this, you know, and I enjoy every bit of it. But not to say that my kids is going to enjoy it because they not me. You know, they have parts of me, but they not going to make the sacrifices that, that I made. Because they don't have to, they live a healthy life. You know, they don't have the, the, the traumas and the things that to fight for like I did. They got everything right. So, you know, that being said, they don't have to grind like I used to.

Felipe Esparza (37:25)

What's been your key to like staying so disciplined? And what's some keys for people to just practice like that art of discipline?

Terence Crawford (37:32)

Well, I look at, I look at all the fighters before me. I look up to Floyd in, in a, in a real big way when it comes to discipline. You know, you'll see Floyd, he'll go out to the clubs and he'll hang out and everybody be like, oh man, Floyd in the club. But then he'll run from the club, you know, eight miles home. You know, he, he'll work out at 2, 3, 5 o' clock in the morning. You know, he was always working, he was always doing something like, you know, perfecting his craft no matter what, you know, not smoking, not drinking, not nothing, you know, And I look at all the other fighters that was partying, drinking and, and not taking their craft serious when they wasn't boxing, and they all went, they, it caught up to him. They always catch up to them, you know, and I just always said, I'm not gonna be those guys. I'm not gonna be that guy that spend all his money and be at the top of his game. And, you know, you see him 10, 20 years later, he don't have apart the piss and he's, you know, on the streets and you don't even notice him because, you know, he's unrecognizable. And you're like, damn, man, I remember this guy was a great world champion. He was one of the best fighters in the world, but he don't have nothing to show for him. So I always looked at the guys that came before me to know what to do and what not to do.

Felipe Esparza (39:09)

Yeah, learning what not to do. Right? Was there ever a moment in your career when you started becoming famous or something where you started to like, stray away from the discipline and you like.

Terence Crawford (39:19)

I never, never.

Felipe Esparza (39:20)

You've just been.

Terence Crawford (39:21)

Yeah. Dialed in. Dialed in because I already, I already know. You know, there's gonna be times where.

Felipe Esparza (39:27)

That'S a gift to like naturally possess though, right?

Terence Crawford (39:29)

There's gonna be times where distractions is always gonna, you know, jump at you, you know, but it's up to you to decide if you want to let it distract you or keep, you know, your, your eyes on the narrow arrow.

Felipe Esparza (39:44)

What would you say to people that are trying to achieve a goal, whether it be sports or just anything they're trying to achieve, to stay locked in.

Terence Crawford (39:52)

You know, stay locked in, stay focused, you know, on season, off season, stay focused, because it's. It's easy to, you know, slip. It's easy, you know, it feels good when temptation is up in front of you and you're like, oh, I can do this. I'll be all right. And then you find yourself like, oh, this ain't gonna hurt. This little thing ain't gonna hurt.

Felipe Esparza (40:16)

Yeah.

Terence Crawford (40:16)

Then you find yourself like, damn, it's a month pass, you know, and I'm £200 or I'm out of shape, or I've been drinking for a month straight. You know, I've been partying. Somebody gotta wake you up.

Felipe Esparza (40:32)

You gotta have some sort of ice. You like fast food or something? Do you like. No cheat meals. Not drink camp, but candy.

Terence Crawford (40:39)

I like candy during camp. Yeah, you can.

Felipe Esparza (40:42)

What's your go to candy?

Terence Crawford (40:43)

I like gummies.

Felipe Esparza (40:44)

What kind?

Terence Crawford (40:45)

Like gummy worms, Gummy bears?

Felipe Esparza (40:47)

The sour gummy worms.

Terence Crawford (40:48)

Yeah.

Felipe Esparza (40:49)

Those are fire.

Terence Crawford (40:50)

Yeah. So what?

Felipe Esparza (40:50)

You can have those during camp.

Terence Crawford (40:51)

Yeah. Have a pop here and there.

Felipe Esparza (40:55)

How about fast food?

Terence Crawford (40:56)

No, I like going to restaurants. I. I'd rather go to restaurants instead of fast food.

Felipe Esparza (41:01)

What's like a cheat meal at a restaurant? You'd get.

Terence Crawford (41:03)

I don't eat beef or pork, so.

Felipe Esparza (41:04)

Okay.

Terence Crawford (41:05)

It really ain't no cheat meal.

Felipe Esparza (41:07)

No. Like Mac and cheese or greasy.

Terence Crawford (41:09)

That's cool.

Felipe Esparza (41:10)

That's fine. Yeah, because you're expending. You're burning so many calories, Right?

Terence Crawford (41:14)

Yeah. So I don't. I don't. I don't look at that as a cheat meal. Mac and cheese and stuff like that. Even though, you know, I. I don't.

Felipe Esparza (41:21)

Just gummy worms.

Terence Crawford (41:22)

That's too often.

Felipe Esparza (41:23)

That's the only thing you can't give them. Gummy worms and pot. Besides that. You're the dial king.

Terence Crawford (41:27)

Yeah, I'm the doll king.

Felipe Esparza (41:28)

Like, hell yeah.

Terence Crawford (41:29)

Nobody. Perfect. We all have our little gummy worms is fine. Yeah.

Felipe Esparza (41:33)

Yeah.

Terence Crawford (41:33)

Gummy worms is cool candy. But I didn't. I didn't cut back so much on candy and. And junk food and things like that.

Felipe Esparza (41:40)

And were you getting out of control with the candy?

Terence Crawford (41:43)

I just always been out of control since I was a little kid. I just always ate, you know, candy, Little Debbies, cakes, sweets, you know, and desserts. Yeah, all that.

Felipe Esparza (41:55)

What's your favorite dessert?

Terence Crawford (41:57)

Apple pie.

Felipe Esparza (41:58)

With, like. With vanilla ice cream.

Terence Crawford (42:00)

No, no, no. Vanilla ice cream without too much.

Felipe Esparza (42:04)

That's fire.

Terence Crawford (42:05)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Felipe Esparza (42:05)

Okay. All right, well, we don't want to take it too much. Cheesecake's fire.

Terence Crawford (42:09)

Yeah. Yeah.

Felipe Esparza (42:10)

I don't want to take up too much your time. I know you got a big camp, but we'll be watching September 13th live on Netflix.

Terence Crawford (42:15)

Appreciate it.

Felipe Esparza (42:16)

Crawford versus Canelo. It's gonna be big. We're fired up.

Terence Crawford (42:19)

Thank you, brother.

Felipe Esparza (42:19)

Appreciate you having us here, too.

Terence Crawford (42:20)

Oh, yeah, definitely, man. I appreciate y' all coming.

Felipe Esparza (42:22)

Thank you, bro.