Undersea Apples (with Hemlocke Springs)

Summary

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Furious Thoughts: “Undersea Apples” with Hemlocke Springs

Podcast: Furious Thoughts (CAKE MEDIA)
Episode Date: May 12, 2026
Guest: Hemlocke Springs

Episode Overview

This episode of Furious Thoughts features a lively, in-depth conversation between the host (A) and guest Hemlocke Springs (B), a rapidly rising artist, singer, producer, and writer. The discussion navigates Hemlocke’s unconventional path—from science studies and immigrant family expectations to breakout music success—as well as her creative process, personal experiences, fashion philosophy, and what’s next in her career. The tone is candid, supportive, and playfully insightful, with both host and guest sharing honest perspectives on art, identity, and life in the limelight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Hemlocke’s Background, Education, and Family Expectations

• Diverse Academic Journey:

  • Hemlocke attended Spelman (Bachelor’s in Biology), then Dartmouth (Medical Informatics). Her background in science heavily influenced her approach (10:14–11:10).
  • “What I try to describe it as... you look at different... populations, like, what's the likelihood of this disease, like, being in this population?...my biology degree came into play with, like, being like, oh, what does the disease entail?” (B, 10:24)

• Pivot to Music:

  • Despite rigorous academics, Hemlocke’s musical career began accidentally through making music “instead of doing my homework”, sharing snippets on TikTok, and going viral (11:10, 12:00–13:20).

• Nigerian Family Reaction:

  • Parents were skeptical but supportive over time. Mother warmed up seeing Hemlocke’s success, father was more wary about her leaving the “stable” science career path.
  • “I think my mom's definitely more receptive because...she knows...you have to kind of be outside the box.” (B, 12:50)
  • The host draws a parallel to their Jamaican parents’ reactions to a creative career (13:20–14:05).

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Artistic Identity, Process, and Influences

• Random Name Generator Origin:

  • Hemlock Springs’ stage name was generated online, with the “e” inspired by Lorde, and lowercase as a reminder that it started as a hobby, not a grand plan (05:35–07:06).

• Role of Music as Emotional Outlet:

  • “I struggled with kind of processing my feelings, and music was a way to do that...I can't cry...but I can let it out through music.” (B, 04:28–05:25)

• High School Experiences:

  • Shared stories of racism in the IB program in North Carolina, and how adversity shaped her art (07:50–09:55).

• TikTok & “Bedroom Pop” Origins:

  • Discussed how posting music on TikTok changed her life, describing the shock of sudden visibility and the challenge of navigating both support and criticism online (14:13–16:46).
  • Early music fits “bedroom pop” (“songs made in the corner of your room...little bit of a lo-fi vibe”), but her style is evolving (41:18–43:37).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fashion and Artistic Presentation:

  • “The more I put on...the better, you know, maybe. Accessories, put a lot of rings on. Put your earrings on.” (B, 46:12)
  • Vintage and thrift shop finds, gifted fan accessories, and her “fan of just, like, layering, like, different patterns.” (B, 45:21–47:28)

• Highlight on Artistic Approach:

  • “Honestly, if it strikes with me, I know it strikes with me because, yeah, like, I write for me, but also, like...I’m able to decipher, like, what's catchy and what's not.” (B, 29:42)
  • Candid about relying on RhymeZone for wordplay (“shit, rhyme zone is so good.” (B, 27:19))

• On Stage Fright & Forgetting Lyrics:

  • “I forget the lyrics every single time I'm on stage...At this point, the audience knows the lyrics more than I do.” (B, 34:42–35:07)

• Personal Boundaries & Vulnerability:

  • “You don't look at the comments sometimes...maybe just like...engage with caution.” (B, 16:12)

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In-Depth Song & Album Discussions

• “The Apple Tree under the Sea” - Album Title and Theme (19:23–21:16):

  • Inspired by a lyric in a demo, it reflects the process of “unpacking a lot of things.”
  • “If I'm gonna have a long title, like, at least let it be, like, rhymey or something.” (B, 20:35)

• Track-by-Track Insights:

  • “Beginning of the End” (23:37–27:47):

    • Openly addresses emotional struggles, self-soothing, and honesty (“Sometimes I think I should avoid the simpleness of filling holes with opioids...I don't take drugs.”)
    • Written “on the bathroom floor at Spelman at the library...I must have been going through it...” (B, 24:53)

  • “Head, Shoulders, Knees, Ankles” (31:49–34:38):

    • Inspired by a surreal dream and themes of female solidarity and menacing energy, with “witchy” vibes.
    • “Bubble, bubble and toil and trouble. Break this all down to be like, help me get the meaning out.” (A, 33:07)

  • “Sever the Blight” (35:41–39:47):

    • Emotional and dreamy, written during COVID lockdowns at home after being “kicked out” of campus.
    • “At that point...I'm going to be a doctor...get married, have kids...COVID really knocked everybody's plans.” (B, 36:19)

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Fashion Conversations & Personal Philosophy

• Fashion Dos:

  • Love of color, accessorizing, mixing patterns, and self-customization. “If you look in the mirror...you feel confident in this, that's what you should do.” (B, 47:27–47:28)
  • Thrifting and upcycling (“Go to this vintage place, this thrift store, the Max named TJ.”) (A, 18:27)

• Fashion Don'ts:

  • Not a fan of brown/fall colors for herself, over-structured thinness as a trend, or showy designer monograms and chalky barbered hairlines on men (47:33–51:10).

• Timeless Advice:

  • “I want people to feel comfortable in their bodies, regardless of the size that they are.” (B, 49:43)

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Astrology and Identity

• Both discuss astrological signs (Scorpio for Hemlocke), and the cultural fascination with astrology in the current generation (“That's a Scorpio thing. That’s another thing I'm noticing...” A, 52:17).
• Hemlocke’s self-aware about Scorpios' reputation: “We're known to be liars, which honestly, I feel like checks out. I can lie.” (B, 52:50)

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Current and Future Projects

• New musical directions:
  • Exploring more “instrumental, quiet groove” inspired by artists like Sting and Sade, seeking contrast from her more energetic album (54:05–55:03).
  • “Maybe I want the opposite of that [album’s energy]...creating songs that kind of encompass such a thing.”
• Dream collaboration: Pat McGrath (makeup legend), and possibly Beyoncé (“When you collaborate with Beyonce, just tell her I said hi.” (A, 55:49))
• Voice acting and screenwriting aspirations (“I feel like I'm more in like voice acting realm...I could do it.” (B, 67:03–68:31))

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Touring Life & Comfort on the Road

• Preparing for upcoming tour, admits ambivalence about life on the road—loves the stage and meeting fans, but finds touring exhausting (59:12–61:53).
  • “I hate touring...It’s just not [for me]...I think the only thing I really do enjoy is just like, meeting fans.” (B, 59:47–60:47)
• Lessons learned: importance of personal space, eating well, comfort (lots of pajamas, never jeans on planes). Shares tips about travel comfort, like “slipper socks” (62:49–66:14).
  • “I try to just have my...a lot of pajamas, for comfort...off the stage, I'm dressing for comfort, not necessarily to be like, ‘oh, I’m going out...’” (B, 63:29)

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Pop Culture, Cartoons, and Identity

• Favorite cartoons: Adventure Time, The Amazing World of Gumball—would be Darwin or Garnet (Steven Universe), aims to watch Steven Universe on tour (56:14–57:32).
• Host identifies with Daria, highlighting themes of introspection and wit (57:34–58:11).

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Timestamps of Notable Segments

• Intro & Family/Academic Background: 00:00–14:15
• TikTok & Industry Entry: 14:13–16:46
• Name Origin & Art Process: 05:35–07:06; 27:19–29:42
• Songs & Albums Discussion: 23:32–39:47
• Fashion & Personal Style: 17:03–22:28; 45:17–51:10
• Astrology & Identity: 52:10–53:56
• Current/Future Projects & Touring: 54:05–66:14
• Pop Culture/Cartoons: 56:14–58:54

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Final Thoughts

The episode offers a vivid, heartfelt exploration of Hemlocke Springs’ journey from science to music, how she uses creativity as emotional release, and the realities of finding her place in both the art world and family tradition. The conversation is rich with personal anecdotes, playful candor, and encouragement for authenticity in music, fashion, and life.

Standout Quotes

• “Music was a way for me to just be like, oh. I think it's giving me an outlet to kind of let everything out...” (B, 04:28)
• “If you look in the mirror, you're like, I feel confident in this...that's what you should do.” (B, 47:27)
• “I forget the lyrics every single time I'm on stage, and...the audience knows the lyrics more than I do.” (B, 34:42)

For more, follow Hemlocke Springs on TikTok and Instagram (“Hemlock with an E”, B, 70:02).

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This episode is an engaging must-listen for anyone interested in how contemporary musicians balance identity, vulnerability, artistry, and real-world pressures—while always keeping it stylish.

Transcript

[A]

What I love about this is that through all of that backbreaking work at these prestigious places, you're like, I'm gonna be a rock star instead.

[B]

I'm dead.

[A]

What do your Nigerian parents think of your music career? And I don't know if this is really fashion, but the young men who are getting a lineup and having chalk.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That has to stop. It has to stop. We have to burn it.

[B]

I. I think at that point, like, I was just able. Like, I. I was like, oh. I struggled with kind of processing my feelings, and music was a way to do that. So I'm like, you know what? Let's just get this, like, out. And I feel like that was a way to do it and to be like, okay, next, next. Next thing.

[A]

It's so delightful to take that perspective and make something that sounds so, like, menacing. And it's almost like, rather than like, hey, girl, I'm coming to you as a woman. Like, fuck these niggas. Get on board. Why are we doing this? Welcome back to Furious Thoughts, everyone. My latest guest is someone that I'm very, very excited to speak to. A bit nervous, because I always get nervous when I'm talking to somebody I enjoy aren't, like, familiar with. This woman is an expert artist, singer, producer, writer, one of a kind voice in art right now. So I'm really, really glad to have Hemlock Springs on the podium.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

Thank you for coming. I'm so glad that we could get this done before you're, like, completely unreachable. Because, like, I'm sorry. Eugene's act at the Met, and then after that, we have, like, you know, a double deluxe. Yeah. So I'm glad that we got you here.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

How are you feeling?

[B]

I feel chill. Yeah. No, I mean, like, just got out, like, an hour Uber, you know, just like, oh, my. My. My heel got stuck in, like, the pavement over there.

[A]

I think it's one of these mornings.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know what planet or moon is aligned with where.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

This is one of those mornings, I think.

[B]

Really? I'm like, I'm a sun and moon. Scorpio. I'm pretty Scorpio.

[A]

I gotta learn the rest of mine. I know that, but I forget.

[B]

Really? I was like, do you know your son at least?

[A]

Nope.

[B]

No, wait. Honestly. And, yeah, I feel like it might

[A]

be Aries, but I'm probably lying.

[B]

Really? I can get that. I can get that and not in. Like, I love Aries. I feel like I don't really have signs of that that I don't like, you know, Like, I'm like, you know, like, so, like, I feel that. I feel. I feel like Aries. I like, you know, so I've dated a few.

[A]

So, yeah. You are absolutely gorgeous.

[B]

Don't lie to the camera.

[A]

The camera can see who I'm talking about. You're so, so beautiful. I think this all the time when I. When I'm watching your videos and things. I'm just like, oh, my God, this girl is just, like, gorgeous.

[B]

Ah, thank you.

[A]

Okay, let's talk about your music and your art and things. I recently discovered you, I think maybe end of February.

[B]

March. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I read a piece somewhere that was like, girl, if you don't know, you better know now. It was about you. And I was like, okay, let me go check this out. The Apple Tree under the Sea.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Was the first piece of or body of music that I was introduced to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So many opinions. First of all, you, for someone who's about a decade more than a decade

[B]

younger than me, we really.

[A]

I'm 38, girl.

[B]

Damn. It really is black Bone crack. You look good also.

[A]

Caribbean. African.

[B]

Yeah. Yes, you look good.

[A]

You remind me so delightfully of high school. Yes. And, like, you, like, forgive me for making artistic comparisons, but you remind me like, when I first listened, you reminded me a bit of like, when I first discovered Phoebe Dobson.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

[A]

I was like, look at this black girl doing whatever the fuck she wants. I love that.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Like, okay, so break down a bit for me. Like, if you could just quickly sum up your take on your artistic output, what would it be?

[B]

Yeah, no, I mean, I just be doing stuff that. I think that it's a way for me to process the feelings that kind of like, I. I've had, but never really had the words to put into, or I was just like, I'll just move on and stuff, because I think I don't process my emotions that good. And so music was a way for me to just be like, oh. Like, I think I actually, I. I think that it's giving me an outlet to kind of let everything out, which was nice because it's. I. I remember just like. I don't know. I don't know if you felt this way before, where it's like, I have so much in me, but I can't cry. Like, I'm not even like. It's almost like how they say, like, a dud. Like, it's like, oh, like, I just want an emotion right now that I can let out and just, oh, that's out my body, out my system. But it's. Sometimes it's hard to do that. And so I think music was a way for me to do that. And I'm very glad to have such an outlet.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Okay. I know the answer to this. But just for anyone watching or listening that may not be familiar, where did the name Hemlock Springs come from?

[B]

Oh, man. Okay. So it was a. What's it called? A random name generator that I did, like, about a couple. And I always say, like, a couple of, like, years before, but I think it was a couple of months before I started actually releasing music as Hemlock Springs. Like, I was just like, let's just see. Like, listen. Yeah, why? Why not? And whatchamacall. And I think it was like, Hemlock Grove, because that's a. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then it was like, something Springs. And I've always wanted two names. I'm like, come walk, Springs. Let's do it. And then I wanted. I put like, the E because, like, Lord had the E in her name. And I'm like, yeah, I want to eat my name, too. And then I made it lowercase because I'm like, you know what? Like, this is just. This is just. Well, at the. At the time, I'm like, oh, this is just like a side thing that's not going to amount to anything. Like, it was even going to be like a. Like, oh, like, I'm pursuing music. This is just like a hobby that I'm gonna do. And so let me just remind myself that this isn't that serious. And I did it lowercase. And now I'm a musician, so now it's paying the bills. So, you know. Well, okay. I mean. But I still feel that I can look at that when I get very. Just like, oh, my gosh, what was me. I could still look at my name and be like, calm down, girl.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[B]

It's okay. Remember how you got here?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also just love stylizing things. And in all lowercase.

[B]

Yeah, same. Me too.

[A]

There's just something intimate or in like.

[B]

Yeah, it's possible about it. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Like. Yeah, no, I feel that way too. But sometimes. Sometimes I gotta remind people. So I do uppercase. I was like. But I feel like in general, I really do like the. I'm like, even the beginning of my sentences, which I don't. I just. I'm like, oh, like, hi, lowercase. How are you? Lowercase or something.

[A]

Like that I will start in a sentence. Like, I am going lowercase I. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

But if I'm serious.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Uppercase.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's how you know I'm scared.

[A]

Yeah. 1,000%.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

What kind of kid were you in high school?

[B]

Ooh. Ooh. Just. I feel like I want to say I was a good kid, but I also feel like I wasn't. I don't know. I mean, I think I. I think I was just. I. As everybody. I feel like in high school is just going through the motions. But I remember. I feel like my canon event was my. Like, I. I did. I enrolled in the IB program when I was in my sophomore year, and there was this history teacher, and he was so racist. Like, you said

[A]

North Carolina.

[B]

In North Carolina, of course. And. And I was just like, oh, my. Oh, my God. Like, I. What? I'm just existing. Like, I'm just here. I'm just here. That really did, like, a number to my confidence. I feel like. And I remember being. It was almost like. I don't know. There's like. How do I say? Just, like, blatant. It's like, blatant things where it's like, I remember this kid, James. I'm going to call him out. He. Fuck James. I had, like. I brought, like, fried rice, and he was like, oh, smells like onions in there. And I'm just like, yeah, yeah. Like, it's. Yeah, just has an onion smell. And I'm just like, what is going on? You gotta be joking me. And I feel like my confidence really did a. A number. Yeah. And like, maybe that's why, like, music was, like, called out, like, to me during that time as well. But, I mean, I feel like I was an okay kid. Like, I was like, I, I. I tried to do the best I could. I could. I was just like, yeah. No, I mean, I was just like, get in, do your work and get out at the end of the day. So. Yeah. And then I know, like, after, there were, like, people trying to meet up from the program and stuff, and I'm like, no, I am done with

[A]

Locked

[B]

out, and I am done. I do not want to return. Like, this was. It was. This was just really hard for me. I'm just. I'm glad I was able to just take that step out. Went to Spelman and just.

[A]

I know that's right. Hey, you mentioned Spelman. Here's one of the things I love. Right. And artists like you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you got a bachelor's from Spelman?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

In biology yeah, yeah. You went to Dartmouth?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You got, like, a medical degree there?

[B]

Oh, I did medical informatics there, yeah. It's like, I. I. What I try to describe it as. It's like, oh, like, you look at different, like. Like, places. Places. I'm not doing a great job at describing this, but it's like, oh, how if you take a certain population, like, what's the likelihood of this disease, like, being in this population? And you're a lot like, statistics was also, I feel like my biology degree came into play with, like, being like, oh, what does the disease entail? Like, how does it affect, like, different, like, demographics and stuff like that?

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

What I love about this is that through all of that backbreaking work at these prestigious places, you're like, I'm gonna be a rock star instead.

[B]

I'm dead.

[A]

What brought you here and what do your Nigerian parents think of your music career?

[B]

I'm dead. You know, like, it wasn't supposed to happen as well. And, like, sincerely, like. And not in, like, how. How do I say? Like, like, genuinely, I'm just as surprised as everybody else who's come into contact with them. And like, oh, you're a musician now. Yeah, I. How does that work? I. Girl, I don't know. Right. But, yeah, no, I mean, I think literally, like, just tick tock and just, like, not doing what I was supposed to be doing when I was at Dartmouth, which was doing my homework. Um, didn't. Didn't do it. Did a song instead. Did it put a snippet on and then Whatcha call? And then that snippet got traction. And so I think that happened. And then, like, I released Girlfriend, which is, like, one of my main songs, I think. And then that's when, like, people are like, oh. Like, I think that's when my mom found out. I don't even know if I told my mom. I think either I told my mom or she kind of found out. She was like, um, what's going on? What's happening? But I think that my mom's definitely more receptive because I. I feel like she's like, okay, you know, if you want to, like, be, I don't know, rock star in this world or something like that, you have to kind of be outside the box. And, like, I think she knows, like, oh. Like, there's certain things that I can't really, like, I can't really see in a. In a way, in, like, terms of, I don't know, like, you see, like, oh, like, people like, Being doctors act successful and engineers are successful, blah, blah, blah. But, like, I think that she was like, you know, I know you're on a route towards success, and I know some things, but I don't know everything. But I. I'll be here as just a way to, like. Just like, I'm here if you need anything. Yeah, I support you. I think my dad is on the same, like, pathway, but he's more just like, what is going on? Like, are you gonna. Are you gonna go back to medical school? Are you gonna go back to school? And I'.

[A]

My Jamaican parents were pretty much the same.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes. My mother was the one who was like, I don't know what this is. I think there was also similar to what you're saying, the element of, what does the trajectory of that look like? Yeah, it's a lot more questionable in terms of will you find success? How will you find success? When will you find success for them? So I get that my mother was very much like, whatever you need, I will always support you because at least you have a passion for something. My father took a little bit longer. He was just like, mano, say, like, the joke. Joke. Take what you want to really do now. They're huge fans.

[B]

Oh, hey.

[A]

Yeah. Now they're great.

[B]

Love it.

[A]

I have to tell them not to watch because I talk about dicks too much.

[B]

I'm dead. Hey, it pays the bills.

[A]

Don't silence me. What is. So I had this question as well about TikTok. As an aging queen, I have noticed that many stars today, really, really talented musicians especially, have been like, oh, I put this snippet out on TikTok. Whether it was, like, hard intention. I want to do this, or, like, I'm having fun. We'll see.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

What is that? Like, where you just, like, present yourself in your art on this TikTok, on this app, and the next thing you know, it's like, am I going on tour with Doja guy?

[B]

I'm. That was crazy.

[A]

That was.

[B]

Yeah. No, I mean, like, I think I wasn't. I wasn't prepared for the amount of eyes that would be on me. And I also wasn't prepared for the amount of people that would just not like me and what I'm doing. And so it took a. It took years for me to get to a point where it's like, okay, well, this is the purpose of art, for people to like it and for people to dislike it and, like, when. And now I'm a little bit more cognizant. It's like, oh, when you. I don't know when I post something or when I even like post a song or blah, blah, blah, like people are going to like it or people are not going to like it, but that's the purpose that I want for. I don't know when I release something and. But it's. It's hard to. I don't know, it's hard to nav. It's hard to navigate, I feel, or harder to navigate than I thought. But I think like, when I first started, I was a little bit like, oh, like, this is okay. Okay. But as, you know, like, I feel like as you enter a certain industries and stuff, you go from like, oh, this is like a cool thing to like, oh, this is a business. Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I had. I didn't make that transition and like, I spent years making that transition and that's when I started kind of realizing, oh, like, I don't know there. It's like, oh, like the things I put out, like people actually. Actually see, which, I mean, it's. It's. I feel like, yeah, of course.

[A]

Yeah, I get it.

[B]

But I was. I've been getting like these days, like, oh, like I saw you from TikTok and I'm like, yeah, people do. People do see that. It is. It is an extension of. Of my character. And I do realize that either people are going to fuck with it or not. And that's just. That's something that I either can be like, I don't know. I was like, that's something that I have to take steps to be like, oh, these are my boundaries. Like, maybe you don't look at the. You don't look at the comments sometimes. Or oh, like maybe just like what you call engage with caution and stuff.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I don't know. I can't let one bad thing ruin my day. As I say that I'm a hypocrite. It does. But you're an artist and you're sensitive about yourself. Exactly. But I mean, I, I have a cognizance that I didn't have before, so.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, just to step back a bit. Fit check. I mean, you're always styling and profiling. Where do you. Where does your fashion sense come from? Also the hair. My favorite colors.

[B]

Really.

[A]

And then like, this is if I'm making like a custom character and whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's always this collection of colors together. I don't know how else to describe that.

[B]

The sweater. Yes.

[A]

I love it. Where's your stalking from?

[B]

Thank you. Yeah, I mean, Like, I just saw a crossroads that I might check out. You know, Goodwill. I'm like, I got these from Buffalo Exchange. I feel like my fans have gifted me a lot of bracelets, so I. I wear them a lot. Um, let's see. I don't know where this. I don't know where this. Oh, there's a. I was like, my fans are also really, really gifted, and there's a person named Kim. They made me a ring and earrings, and I was like, yeah, I'm going to wear that. I'll shout you out. Yeah. Thank you. Like, oh, my gosh. But, yeah, no, I mean, I. I try not to spend.

[A]

No, that's the. That's the way to go, Diva. Let me tell you something, and let things be a lesson for the children. First of all, there's, like, fashion in their style.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know, so, like, to me, the fashion icons are usually stylish people.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know, and you don't have to completely break the bank and go. Go poor because you needed to have this thing. Usually people who are going to turn heads are folks who are just like, yep. I went to this vintage place, this thrift store, the Max. Named tj.

[B]

Yes. The Max name tj.

[A]

And we get it together there. New York is very that. LA is very that.

[B]

Really?

[A]

So I do think you'll enjoy it in New York.

[B]

Hell, yeah. I want to go to, like, a rich Goodwill, you know? Like, there's like. I'm like, when I was in North Carolina, there was a Goodwill I would go to because they would, like, all the rich people would dump their. Dump their stuff there, and I'm like, that's where I'm trying to. Like, like, I know. Like, I don't know. I know. Or I'm trying to be like, okay, I'm not. Like, I got. I got money in the bank. But, like, there's people who's like, boom. And I'm just like, oh. And they dropped their stuff there, and I was like, hey. Like, yeah, that's where I need to go. That's where I need to get my stuff.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I think that's probably also a thing that made me immediately jump to your album is because the hair on the album as well, and I like apples and I like to see.

[B]

Hey. Hey.

[A]

Why the name? Why that? That name?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, it's weird. It was part of, like, a. It was part of a song. It was part of a demo that I never. I don't. I should finish that then.

[A]

That's why they call it a demo, you know?

[B]

Yeah, it was part of a demo. And then, I don't know, the album started getting, like, really, like, the. I was. Start getting, like, really, like, unpacking a lot of things, and then I was trying to find something that would fit the general theme, and I. I stumbled upon. I wanted to at first name it the Red Apple. I think, like, just based on the first song of the album. And then somebody was like, that's boring. So I'm like, well, okay, I won't call it that. But then I got. I'm like, wait, why am I thinking of apples? And then I remember I had a lyric in a demo that was like, have I become the apple tree under the sea? And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna use that. And that's gonna be the.

[A]

The.

[B]

How do I say the? If I'm gonna have a long title, like, at least let it be, like, rhymey or something. So I'm like, oh, let me just do that.

[A]

Is it like that? That long?

[B]

I've gotten that. It's long. And I'm just like, okay, yeah. Just like, all right.

[A]

The Emancipation of Me Me. She just went for it. Like, it. Who cares?

[B]

I was like, it. I don't care. Like, I mean, if it. If it calls out, it calls out, I think. And so I was like, let me just. Yeah, I think I'm. That's going to be the title. And, like, I think the person who I was working with, he was like, okay, yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah. Like, it sticks in the brain. And I'm like, okay, as long as it sticks in the brain. That's what I.

[A]

Right, right, right, right. You know, I think it's a. It's a classic.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

I legit. I mean, you know, an upcoming classic to me. When I listen to it, I'm. I can't help but think of, like, when I first heard Jagged Little Pill.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

And how that's still like that. Like, that one hits a bit different because she's that girl, that classic OG Girl. That's what I think. Although, you know, you make different, like, styles of music, it just feels like this is the album that decades and albums from now, people be like, oh, I remember where I was.

[B]

I'm dead. Thank you.

[A]

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[B]

Ooh, let's go and get your song opinions. Yes, Plural. I love it.

[A]

I want to talk about, like, the second track, which hit me like a ton of bricks and I think, like, immediately gave me. Yeah. So the beginning of the end.

[B]

Oh, man,

[A]

it is just right there. It felt very, like, up front. Sometimes I feel.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like avoiding.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was like, what are the lyrics? Yeah. Sometimes I think I should avoid the. The simpleness of filling holes with opioids. Yeah, yeah. I don't take drugs.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. I mean. Yes. No, I stumble, yeah.

[A]

Even when you say Sorry.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Even when you say you shouldn't fraternize with paranoia.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's such like an open song, but it also has this, like, it has this beautiful, like, journey that it goes through from being like. It has this moment where it's just like 2000s pop, like a little alternative and then it kind of sounds like a little light hearted almost. No doubt early, little skibidi. And then it's metal at the end. Like, what is. Where does this come from? What's the vibe? What was your headspace when you wrote that record, Man?

[B]

I think like, I was like, I was at Spelman when I wrote that, like the demo of that record, like on the bathroom floor at Spelman at the library. And I think, like, I must have been going through it. Like, I. That's not new, you know? But I think that it's. It's nice, though, because I think at that point, like, I was just able. Like, I was like, oh, I struggled with kind of processing my feelings, and music was a way to do that. So I'm like, you know what? Let's just get this, like, err out. And I feel like that was a way to do it and to be like, okay, next. Next. Next thing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But who knows? I mean, it was between, I feel like my freshman and sophomore year, so I def. And I mean, I. Freshman year, like, yeah. You know, and so. And so I think I was. I was like. I think that it was the first time of me being on my own and just. I just thinking of just things that have happened to me in the past. I'm like, oh, I. And, like, having my own opinions about things, and I'm just like,

[A]

yeah.

[B]

And it's kind of like, oh, like, I wish. I don't know. I think part of me was like, oh, am I. Is this. Did I grow up, like, normally? Like, is this normal? I don't know. This is. And stuff like that. And I think I was trying to just. I just needed to get it out. I think that song served its purpose, and I feel like that's why it's the most, like, very, like, oh, what? The song.

[A]

It's the second record. But it's also, like I said, it immediately speaks for itself. And I think that what I love about it is that people who are listening maybe for the first time, it's like, they immediately get to know more about you, but also, like, oh, I know what I'm getting into, and I need to hear this type of thing. And I love that it is accessible in that way because a lot of your lyrics are very poetic and, like, almost like listening to a folk tale or something, which I really, really, like, enjoy. Is that. Is that. Is that. Like, where does that come from? And, like, do you try to make it, like, how do you put the words, Word play and express this poetic manner that you do? That was a terrible framing of that.

[B]

No, I got you. No, I'm in it. I got you. I mean, shit. Rhyme zone is so good.

[A]

Tell. Tell the Honest truth tonight.

[B]

It is such a great resource. Yeah, it's a great thing. Yeah. No, I mean, like, I read a lot also as a kid, so I feel like that kind of.

[A]

I figured. Yeah.

[B]

Said I'm like, oh, like, I. I think that. And Rhyme zone. No.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think a Combination of both. And also just not thinking about it, I feel like. I think that. I think that. I don't know, it was really. When I got to LA and I was just like, oh, my God. Like, I'm looking at the lyrics, I'm like, oh, my God. But I feel like before I was able to just be like, oh, well, you know, like, I'm just going to whatchamacall. Like, we're just gonna kind of just see where things go. Don't think too much about it. And like, if it's something that strikes with you, then it strikes at you. And so that's kind of. That's kind of how I get to where I. To that area. I feel like.

[A]

I love that you are still able to make space for that. Because being able to, first of all, it explains a lot that you write a lot, as did I. I loved books and things, so that explains a lot of it. I hope that you are able to still have the same space to just be like, whatever. Freestyle comes from my heart. Yeah, it's the best music thing.

[B]

Yeah. No, I mean, like, it's just. You have to. I feel like here, it's like I have to more just kind of put my boundaries in place in a way that I didn't really have to before. But I mean, I definitely, how they say, like, just love making space for myself and being able to just. I don't know, because you can think of like, oh, like, what's going to be the catchiest thing? Like, what's going to like, be the hit and stuff. And that's just. I. I get. I get why people think that way. I mean, you got to pay the bills, but it's also just sometimes it's like this is almost getting in the way of making something new that could be a hit, that could be right. Good strike people, you know, Like, I think that they're opposite sides to the same coin. And so I think for me, I'm like, you know, like, I'm just going to. I'm just gonna write and see. And honestly, if it strikes with me, I know it strikes with me because, yeah, like, I write for me, but also, like, I. I think I'm able to decipher, like, what's catchy and what's not and so.

[A]

Right. And who the fuck cares because you know something.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Another thing I love about your music is that vocally you do, like, it's. You're very frenetic. It's very, like, it's. You have so many different, like, Sounds and inflections and textures and stuff. Like you play around.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

With your voice a lot.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So is that intentional? Is it instinctive?

[B]

Oh, ye. That I was like. I think, like, it. I think it's. It's instinctive. I'm like, sometimes in, like, this song needs a this because it's just going to. It's almost as, as if, like, how do I say sometimes when I just sing or I can sing like regularly and stuff. And I'm like, this is not. It's like it works here, but here, like, it needs to either be like an inflection up or down because it's, it's not really. It's not really melding the way that I want it to. And so it's almost instinctually like, I know, like, oh, okay, this. I need to sing it this way because this is going to make the most sense, but. Because if I sing it this way, it's not. It's not hitting right. It's not at least like causing, like, it's almost as sometimes it's like, oh, well, I don't really have an opinion if I sing it this way. And that's. I hate when I have. Don't have an opinion about things.

[A]

I'm like, right.

[B]

Either I like it or I don't like it. Like, I, I, I, I like that binary. I feel like when it comes to songwriting, I'm like. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna sing it this way because I. It's like sticking with me that way. It sticks with me more when I sing it that way.

[A]

You know, it just reminded me of like, if you are driving, if you're just kind of going with a melody and what the expected trend is, like you're driving with not even ways like MapQuest.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

That quest help me find where to go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My artists, like, you are like, I got this. I know where I'm going. I know how to drive. Don't backseat me. We're going to get there and we'll be on time. I want to talk about head, shoulders, knees, ankles.

[B]

Really? Oh, my God.

[A]

Before I listened, I look at this track list and I'm like, well, I can't wait to hear that one. Um, it's very witchy to me.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It sounds like a lot of it sounds like a spell or almost like if I was this shady ghost just minding somebody else business. I want to read some of the lyrics. I do. Because I don't know them by heart yet. No. But I do know That I can't even say anything. But I do know that this is delightful. Lately I've been watching her from somewhere where I know I can't be seen she pierced a wandering stranger now he has such a fatal disease of giving several kisses Most of them just below the knees I fear he has a fetish giving squeeze. I tell her, very well. I wait for. He's a. It doesn't stop. There's, like, no breath and it just keeps. It's just like, yes, yes, Adam. Bubble, bubble and toil and trouble. Break this all down to be like, help me get the meaning out. Because when I listen to it, I'm like, she's reading the absolute fuck out of. Out of these individuals and their personal choices.

[B]

It was. It was a very confusing dream that I had. And it was like the son was like that Teletubbies kid, you know, Like. And the sun was like. And there was like, this man and this woman. And, like, it's like, he wouldn't really leave her alone. And I got in it, but then he wouldn't leave me alone. And then I'm like, hey, like, girl, like, let's. Let's get together, you know, like, woman power. And then that's where it kind of ended. And I was just like, what a confusing dream. I'm gonna. Gonna write about it. Yeah, like, I'm sure. I was like, I. I feel like what you call. I'm like, I feel like I heard just. I must have heard stories about, like, my girls going through, like, they're like, male troubles, but, like, men troubles, but also just, you know, navigating, like, patriarchy and stuff like that. And, like, I feel like it just slowly. Everything just slowly seeped in, and I'm just like, yeah, let's. Let's write about it and just. And just see where it goes. And then that's what it was. And I'm like. Even. I'm like, okay. And I think I'm going to be.

[A]

It's so delightful to take that perspective and make something that sounds so, like, menacing. And it's almost like. Rather than like, hey, girl, I'm coming to you as a woman. Like, fuck these things. Get on board. Why are we doing this so much? I will learn it.

[B]

I have that by heart. No, I need to.

[A]

So that I can scream it just randomly.

[B]

I forget in the back of an Uber, like, every time. No, it is a. Okay. Like, I. I'm on stage and I forget the lyrics, and I'm. Sammy can attest. I don't know where she is. But I was like, I forget the lyrics every single time I'm on stage, and I'm like, fudge. And then I have to move on. I literally. You got to be. You got to be kidding me. But I. At this. At this point, the audience knows the lyrics more than I.

[A]

That is going to ask, like, I'm pretty sure they're like, we got this girl.

[B]

Take a breath. I will be looking at the mouths and be like, okay. That's what. That's what it is. I'll just be like, oh, the mic. Hey.

[A]

I think the drag race of it all now.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Girls need to know the words.

[B]

Yes. I was like, I've heard that people are. What's the call? There was. Somebody was like, oh, I'm going to do a drag before it's this song. I'm like, please tag me. I was like, please tag me. I need to learn. I need to learn.

[A]

I want to talk about Sever the blight.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

This is my favorite song.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like. It's really emotional. It's very dreamy.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And again, it does the. This vocal that I find really, like, compelling, but different and very specific to you. Let me see if I can do it.

[B]

Ooh,

[A]

love Miles. Oh, wait, Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where are you going?

[B]

Vocals.

[A]

I love the video, too.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

What's that one about?

[B]

Oh, man. I mean, it was like I was sitting in. It was post. It's not post Covet. It was during we're still in Covid. But this is when I know I was like, we're still here, but I had, like, just gotten kicked out of, like, Spelman's campus because of. Everybody got kicked out. And so back in parents house, like, looking through the window. And at that point, it was. It was weird, too. And maybe because some I. I do say a lot, like, oh, like, I never thought I was going to be a musician, and I do still feel that way. But I think. I think part of me, again. Oh. Processing feelings. I'm like. But I think part of me understood that, like, this might not because at that point, like, oh, I'm going to be a doctor. Like, I'm going to, like, get married, have kids, blah, blah, blah, and do the whole shebang and stuff. And I think that. That when. When Covid really got prevalent and stuff, it really just knocked everybody's kind of plans. And I feel like. And I was just like, man, like. And I think I was just imagining myself with, like, like, charming represented that Sort of just what I thought was going to be. And that nuclear family that I thought I was going to have and blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like, well, you know, it's right. It can literally be right here for me if I want it. But it feels like I'm waiting for something else to occur and something else to happen. And so. And I think that's where the origin start now. And. And now, like, how the song came to be was very. It was really. It was really weird. So it was. I. It was just like a random. It was like I had a. I had a session and whatchamacall. It just randomly took a medieval turn and we're just like, you know, it. Like, let's. You know, like, let's just. Let's see. Let's see where it goes. And that's how the song ended up. And I remember particularly that intro. That intro took so long because I'm like, no, it's not one note. Like, it's just. We're gonna go chord from chord to chord to chord to chord, which I guess is not really that. That popular in. In. In music. And so it was definitely. It was hard to kind of figure out what are these chords, because it's not just. We're not holding out this chord for, like, we're going to the next. We're going to the next one and we're going to the next one. We're going to the next one until finally we get to, like, the main me. And we can do, like, a little, like, repetition here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so it was. It was really fun doing that. It was really fun doing that song. And I. It was actually released, like, before I released my ep.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like, people are like, why did you. Why did you do that? Why'd you do that? And I'm like, honestly, at that point in my music career, I didn't even know I was going to have a music career. Like, I didn't. I didn't know where I was going. And it was then that I was like, you're not thinking in a business way. Like, you're not really, like, you're. You're doing stuff freely, and that's really cool. But if you want to. If you do want to do this and kind of take this to the next level, like, you need to. You need to plan this out and, like, plan, like, where you want things to go. And I'm like, okay. And so I scrapped it. I'm like, this isn't going on the ep. Because I feel like it's going to be part of the album and it's going to be part of like a whole, how they say, collection of songs I feel like are me exploring, kind of pushing my boundaries, like thematically and genre wise. And that's what I stuck to.

[A]

I have to overlay it on scenes from House of the Dragon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now that you say this medieval thing, I'm like, well, yeah, that's why regularly do I.

[B]

Wait, really? Did you watch Game of Thrones?

[A]

I did.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I own every episode on 4K. Uhd.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Okay, girl, I'll tell you something about these incestuous like so hold on. So you just gonna be all sister in them and then having a security guard and the security guard go, go on her and then get mad that he can't stay with her cuz like she's 15 and she was never gonna be with you.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

But then now you're like, oh, so I'mma I'mma be with her ops then. But her ops is her best friend who had a baby with her daddy. Like it's all with her dad. Best friend.

[B]

Oh my.

[A]

Had a baby daddy.

[B]

Oh my God. I've never watched Game of Thrones. So people, people are monstrous white people. Damn.

[A]

And they kept us out of Game of Thrones for the most part because I guess racism or whatever. But then when you think about it, it's like, why would we be doing anything? And then on House of the Dragon they gave them these terrible silver wigs.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes, because they wanted them to be like the white people cousins or something.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Horrible lace fronts, terrible wigs.

[B]

Damn. You gotta be like a consultant.

[A]

I think they're trying to clean it up for season two. I read Complex described your music as bedroom pop.

[B]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[A]

Do you agree? And what the hell is bedroom pop?

[B]

I'm dead. Do you not know what you see? Have you not heard it? Oh my gosh. Well, I think, I think like bedroom pop. When I think bedroom pop, I, I feel like I don't want, I don't want to give names of artists, but I, because I don't want it. There's like certain artists that come in mind, but I feel like it' quite literally songs that sound like you made it in the corner of your room. It has a little bit of a lo fi vibe to it. And I mean, I think early on, like it made sense. Like give me all your love, which was my first song, then girlfriend, my second. Like that those were made in the corners of bedrooms. Like I, I, I think I get why? Why? It has that. That feeling, but I feel like it's like that. A little bit of like that lo fi feeling.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

But do I. Do I agree? Like, I'm like like, yes, yes and no. I think, I think a good bit of my music did fall under that category. I think now we've gotten out of the bedroom, maybe enter the studio.

[A]

Pretty sure that was. I heard they were describing like your first.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. But I, I love bedroom pop. Like, I'm like, I. And I still, I still do. There's a certain, there's a certain innocence to it almost. And I think that it's like for me it was just like, it was just a way for me to just be like, oh, like, where is this going? Like, And I think I. I feel like my first EP was kind of under bedroom pop. And I was very glad I had that. How they say that that era, like, under my belt because I could explore and really just. Because at that point I wasn't even like, oh, like, I write my songs like, oh, I'm a producer. I. I couldn't upsert those roles confidently even though I was doing those roles. So I was, I think in a way, like, it was. There was a certain like, innocence and naivety to it that I enjoyed being under. But now I'm like, no, I produce. Yeah. I've written all my songs. You know,

[A]

I think that's like also those are the songs that when you're in your 40s and 50s doing a

[B]

festival and then they're like, oh, yeah, exactly.

[A]

I love that. Yeah, you do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I thought bedroom pop, like, first thing came to my mind was again, being in high school. Middle school.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And in my bedroom just listening to some stuff which my feet up like

[B]

this, just kicking back.

[A]

I guess it can get bumming with those.

[B]

Yeah, no, I was like two sides of the same. There's probably some, several sides of the same coin. Yeah, No, I feel like it could be that as well.

[A]

I read that your brother produces music.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You produce music?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Were you guys like self taught? How did that start?

[B]

Yeah, I think we were, we were, we were self taught, but in different ways or like in different. Like, I, I knew that my like my brother produced like for or produced for himself and stuff and like is trying like like the Christian rapper vibe and stuff like that. And like, for me, I was just, I was very down low with it. He was really like the musical person. I was just like, ah, like, you know, I like music and I know that music does Something to me. And so we were both on. We're both on our kind of like. Like different journeys and stuff like that. But I think that I. I don't know. He. I think he was the most supportive, but he also is just like, I did not know that this was even a part of you. And I'm like, no, I'm just surprised. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

The Lord's good grace.

[B]

Exactly. And so it's. It's weird. Like, it's weird that we are. We both kind of were on our separate, like, pathways and stuff like that. So. Yeah.

[A]

Can you give me a couple of your fashion dues?

[B]

Do don'ts after fashion do color? I think I do like a good. I do like a good color. I don't know. Let's see. Fashion dues. I think that whatchamacall. I fear that this is probably a fashion don't for other people, but I am a fan of just, like, layering, like, different patterns and then seeing how that. And seeing how that looks.

[A]

I think that's not even a. It's just an informed fashion thing.

[B]

Some people are like, no, like this, like, pattern. Like this checkers doesn't go with stripes or blah, blah, blah. I'm just like, I don't know, like,

[A]

you know who you sound like to me? Miranda Priestley in the first movie where she was like, I think this needs a belt. Do you have a. Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, it's almost. For me, the more I put on the. The. The better, you know, maybe I'm trying to think accessories. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Accessorize. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm actually wearing so many bracelets.

[A]

I realize you have a ton of. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah. But accessorize, like, put a lot of ring. Put a lot of rings on. Put your earrings on. I want to. Low. I want to. I love the, like, the. The people who do the, like, all the piercings on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And stuff. I want to do that. I want to get one like, on my belly button. I want to get one. I'm saying that it's not going to happen, but in. But if I have to customize my avatar in a certain way, I would love to have the thing. Yeah. And I guess that's a Do. Like, you're customizing your. Yourself. Like, it's like, what works for you is not going to work for other people. And other people might be like, oh, like, don't do it. But if it's working for you, if you look in the mirror and you're like, oh, Like, I, I like this for the most part. Like, I think that some people look in the mirror, it's like, I like this, and it's just, like, it's not working. But I think that for the most part, like, if you look in the mirror, you're like, I feel confident in this.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like this.

[A]

Then.

[B]

Yeah, that's what you should do. Yeah.

[A]

Raising fashion things you're not a fan of.

[B]

Honestly, tell the truth.

[A]

Shame the devil. You ain't gotta.

[B]

I'm not really a fan of, like, not really a fan of wearing, like, fall pattern. Like, fall things. Like, particularly, like, I feel like brown and me don't look good together, unfortunately. And it hurt. It hurt. It. I was like, it hurt on other people look so good on me. I just feel like I look dull.

[A]

Because you already have.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Because, you know, and so I, I, I avoid. I avoid wearing that color a lot. I'm trying to think, oh, what is that?

[A]

I do say that we look great in yellow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Our skin looks really, really beautiful. And yellows and gold.

[B]

Yeah. No, I'm like. But I feel like. I feel like that's a black thing, though.

[A]

No. Yeah. Like.

[B]

Like there's just something about a yellow and a gold. I'm just, Just like, damn. Like, oh, my gosh, China. I'm trying to think. I was like, what. I don't feel like I have that many fashion don'ts. Like, I feel like I love a capri. You know, Some people don't like capris. That's a fashion for some people. I love. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Y2K fashion in general back.

[B]

But also the. How they say, the eating disorders and I mean, not that they're back, but they've always been here. But like, I, I feel like I, I see more people being like, oh, like, waist and like, so, like, skinny. And I say, I want, I want. I. Well, maybe that's not a fashion don't. But I just want. I want people to feel comfortable in their bodies regardless of the size that they are. Like, I think that, like, I don't. I don't. Especially with, like, Y2K coming back. And it really is like, like, almost like thinness. Like, like really just. It was always the standard, but I feel like I'm seeing it more be more prevalent now. I'm like, oh, like, I do. I feel like I, I think that I, I'm just like, oh, it sucks. I was trying to come up with something like, well, it's just.

[A]

It's unfortunate.

[B]

Yeah, it's unfortunate. Yeah. And then you don'ts. Yeah.

[A]

What's your don'ts or do my don'ts. Okay, do's. I will say love color in terms of, like, femmes makeup, like, but like, makeup like this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that is very. Just like unexpected, very colorful, very imma do me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Type of stuff. Artsy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Love denim. Love hounds, too.

[B]

And almost, you know, my. One of my don'ts actually is pants.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I feel like I don't look good. I don't like my constrict. Constriction. But I think, like, other people look so good. Like, I mean, look at you.

[A]

I mean, denim jackets, too.

[B]

Oh, I get. Okay, okay. I love a good denim.

[A]

Yeah. I just love denim in general. And right now, big on oversized vintage tees.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

Like rock tour tees.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, nice sneaker.

[B]

It's a nice. Just like, put on and go out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Fashion. Don't. Designer belt buckles, monogram hoodies.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. We got to get out of that.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And I don't know if this is really fashion, but the young men who are getting a lineup and having chalk.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That has to stop. It has to stop. We have to burn it. It has to stop taking place. I'm so tired of it. Really? Why are they doing that? So it's like. Is it like your. Your head, your. Your hairline died? Is it like a chalk? Like this is the outline of where your head passed away? Like, what the. Cannot stand it.

[B]

Really? Do you have a fade going on, though?

[A]

It's not clean.

[B]

Oh,

[A]

next week?

[B]

Oh, my God. No, but it's like, natural. You know what I mean? Wait, that does that. I didn't mean that in a bad way.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

There's like, some that are, like, very, very, very clean that I'm like. Yeah, but like, and sometimes as, like, sometimes it works for people, and sometimes it's just like this is just so, so defined. But I mean, like, But I feel like. I don't know, I feel like that's just what people want.

[A]

What's your sign?

[B]

What's my sign? Scorpio.

[A]

Okay. I'm only asking because I feel like someone out there is going to want to know.

[B]

Really? So it's like. That's a Scorpio.

[A]

That's another thing I'm noticing the girls are really tapped into now is astrology.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I grew up with people who just naturally like Reddit and stuff like that, so it was less obnoxious.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Where now I think everyone has like the apps on their phone and they act like they're doing a TED Talk. And it's like, okay, girl, calm down. You can ask someone their name before you say what they're saying.

[B]

No, literally.

[A]

So I can't even say I know much about Scorpios besides I believe it's based on a scorpion.

[B]

And like, we have a. What I hear is that I. I think we're not a well liked sign. I think, like, we're known to be liars, which honestly, I feel like checks out. I can lie. You know, I was like, I was like, I. I'll take that. I feel like Scorpios are known for maybe like mystique slash, like, even lying on, like, sexiness and stuff that missed me. I feel like I was like, I. I feel like the lying, like, ah, well, you know, I. I don't think I'm a. I don't think maybe I was like, I don't think I'm a liar. Maybe I feel like I. I feel like I'm a liar, but I catch myself. So I'd be like, I. I say something, I'm like, nope, that's a lie. My bad. I've actually. But I catch myself at least. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And you're not lying with intention.

[B]

Exactly. I don't lie with intention. And, But. And I do. I do immediately how that I say, I'm like, no, that might be. That actually wasn't the truth. And so I, I go back and I tell the truth. So I feel like I should get like a reward for that.

[A]

I say, good enough.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's in your music bag right now? What are you working on in terms of. Yeah, the next phase?

[B]

I mean, who knows? I mean, I think that I was like, I feel like I. Whatchamacall. Actually, I know I should know because it's me. I think that I would love, like, more instrument. Like, I just, I just went through, you know, Sting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I. I didn't know as an old girl. I didn't know. I didn't know him. I didn't know. Like, he's like, what's it called? He's part. Is he part of the police? Like, I didn't make that. That connection until literally a couple weeks ago. And I'm like, wait a. Wait a damn minute. Like, what? And so I've been listening to him a lot. I've been listening to Sade a lot. And I'm like, I feel like I would just love a little. Just maybe like a quiet groove because I feel like the. The. The previous album was very like, boom. And I'm like, maybe I want the opposite of that. And so I feel like I'm creating songs that kind of encompass such a thing that may not make it out. I don't know. We'll see. We'll.

[A]

I have faith you're going to do whatever you want to and probably do it really, really well.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you very.

[A]

Like, dream collabs, man. Ask people at all the time.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I, you know, I'm going to say interesting. I would love to, like, do a Pat McGrath collab. I was like, I would love to. I was like, I know you're probably talking music. Well. I was like, you know, I've actually been. I was like, actually, I'm gonna put that out there. I feel like I've been really into, like, seeing, like, her videos with other people and stuff like that. And just. I'm like, oh, like, I would love to get all that vibe. So.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. That's honestly, like on my. On my top now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To do. Yeah.

[A]

When you collaborate with Beyonce, just tell

[B]

her I said, yeah.

[A]

I think she's gonna give you the call.

[B]

Yeah. One sucker. I was like, well, I'm not. If I could just be in the presence. You know what I mean? I just kind of just wanna.

[A]

That's. That's coming. Possibly music.

[B]

Oh, this season I'm.

[A]

I'm throwing things. Did you ever watch cartoons?

[B]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yes. I'm a. How they say, like a Adventure time. Like the amazing girl at Gumball.

[A]

If you were a cartoon character, who would you be?

[B]

Really?

[A]

Who would you be if you were a cartoon character?

[B]

Damn. You know, I would be Darwin. I love Darwin.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's what that's like. I'm like, I'm trying to. I'm like, I'm trying to think of who else I would also be. I would. Because I recently did. I'm trying to see which one did I recently watch the other day? I don't know.

[A]

Crystal Gem. I'm trying to figure out which one.

[B]

Oh, the Steve. Steven Universe. I've never seen Steven.

[A]

You should check it out.

[B]

I know I'm. Oh, I've. Like, see, I've seen. I know that it will change my life. Like, I've seen, like, clips and stuff, but I know that that's a. I'm going to reserve it for tour because I know I'm just going to go through a transformation when I watch that show, from what I hear. But. Oh, Estelle. Estelle does a character.

[A]

Yeah, she voices Garnet.

[B]

I would be her.

[A]

I'll show you what Garnet looks like. I feel like everyone is going to say Garnet immediately.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. But you give me a Fusion. I just don't know.

[B]

I mean, spoiler.

[A]

Here's Garnet.

[B]

Let me see, Let me see.

[A]

She's a badass.

[B]

Yes, I see her. I would be her. Yeah, I would be her.

[A]

I could see that, too.

[B]

Who would you be?

[A]

Ivy. Daria.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wait, yeah, I've never seen that one.

[A]

Yeah, it's for. For us. It was for old people when I was young. Yeah. I didn't even watch Daria until I was in college.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Because someone. I said what you just said.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And someone's like, you haven't watched that show about you.

[B]

I'm not about you.

[A]

And then I watched, and I was like, oh, yeah, I am absolutely yours. This grumpy little white girl. This is always shady people who don't seem to get that she's disrespecting them, family included. You might like Daria as well.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, I have to check it out. Oh, my God. I've. I've had it on. I've seen it, like, on Tick Tock so many times, and I've also just seen it come up on things that I would like, but I'm like, what's it called? There's a list. There's a list I need to get into. I need to. I need to. Really.

[A]

It's a kind of like a musical show. A lot of the episodes have Songs of Daria. No, no, no, Stephen, you don't really. I'm sorry, that would have been. I know Stephen has a lot of music in it. A lot of. It's really good.

[B]

Wait, really? Oh, I got good on that.

[A]

Yeah. Actually, Rebecca, if you're rebooting, if you're ever rebooting or doing a sequel series, you'd be a really good boy.

[B]

Wait, no, I was like, I have to get on that.

[A]

What's on the. What's. What's next? What's on the horizon for you when you get back in your hour? Uber, I'm dead, hopefully for the summer and stuff.

[B]

Yeah, I was like, I mean, I'm doing. I'm touring. Yeah, I'm touring, actually. Toy Story. And just what. Nicole was like, rehearsals are really, really, really soon. And just watch Nicole just going on the road and what's. Nicole. It's gonna be. It's gonna be a lot. Yeah. No.

[A]

How long Are you gonna be touring?

[B]

A good minute. A good minute for me, I feel like. And, you know, I. I am that Michael Jackson meme. I hate hori.

[A]

Same.

[B]

I. It's just not same.

[A]

I have it saved or whatever. I'm going on tour. I can say how are going. I just send them that.

[B]

I need to. I need to follow suit. Because I. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I would love to hear your take. But me, I'm like, I'm just. It's like, I need my space and I don't have my space. And then, like you said, I can't take shit. Like, I need to, like, what you call. I'm tired, but I need to go on state. Like, it's like. It's exhausting. It's exhaust. Exhausting. I think the only thing I really do enjoy is just like, meeting fans. Like, before ends. After that, everything else can go, oh. But I think this is the most forward I've looked for tour. So I. I've taxed some people into being like, hey, I need to have fun. Yeah, I. I have to. There's. There's no choice. So I hope to have, like, more fun on this tour and just be able to be like, okay, you know, touring's okay.

[A]

Yeah. But I find that being on the stage is. It makes it worth it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Actually get out there and you're doing your thing and you're living in your passion and your truth. You get back on stage and you're like, but it's still, like, worth it at the end of the day. That was really. But, yeah, I'm the exact same way. And I can't imagine that. Like, I can only imagine your folks back over here, like, in that clip. They're like, okay. And Michael's like, no, I hate it. Me too. I love to love to tour. It's so great. I love it so much.

[B]

I've said it in quite literally every interview. I refuse to d. I'm like, no, you're. It's. It's just. It's not. It's not. I think. But for other people, they love touring. It's like. They're. I'm just like, how. Like, what? What? Embarrass?

[A]

Tour bus, another bus. Play club, another. Okay. Whatever it takes.

[B]

You. You do whatever it takes. It'. Oh, it's exhaust. It's exhausting. Oh, my God.

[A]

I think it also provides really good context for the people who love you and appreciate you. Come out to the shows when you see some of your Faves who are about to fall out on stage or late or can't make it.

[B]

Oh, yeah, it's hard.

[A]

They be dehydrated, they be exhausted, they

[B]

missed it all over.

[A]

It's a lot.

[B]

Haven't eaten. Sometimes it's like you're struggling to find. I said what?

[A]

I have not had a piece of lettuce all day.

[B]

No, literally, it's. It's crazy. Just so I. I've learned so much on tour about myself and I've been able to really, like, put things into, into how to say, just be able to be like, okay, I need to have an hour to myself. I need to do this. I need to do this. If not, you're not gonna get a me that you like. And just continue finding things about myself like that. But.

[A]

Or something like you have like, comfy things, you know, to bring on tour with you now.

[B]

Damn. I know. Bring. Bring some slippers. I didn't bring the. I don't know why I didn't think to bring. I didn't have those. Or just like slip on shoes. Like, it's just nice to be able to. Just for easiness. I know to ask like on the writer and stuff, like, oh, a banana, you know, some, like, some fruits. We put on like sandwich fillers and stuff. Because generally there was like. There are a couple of times where I'm like, oh, yeah, I haven't eaten today. Let me have something. And then I only have like lays or Right. Which is fine. But it's like, do that for a couple of, A couple of shows. And you're gonna be like, oh, I need a little something. Something.

[A]

I guess I'm having Doritos for dinner.

[B]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. Like, I think, I think that what you call. I, I, I try to just have my. A lot of pajamas. Like a lot of like, it's for comfort. Like, when I'm off the stage, I'm dressing for comfort, not necessarily to be like, oh, I'm going out and why, blah, blah. Like, no, I'm putting on that, that, that really busted T shirt and these really kind of like funky like, whatchamacall. Sweatpants. And that's gonna be what I stay in.

[A]

You will never catch me wearing jeans.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Airplane, bus. I'm never doing it. Sweatpants. This is already m. Let me just be as comfortable as possible.

[B]

No, literally no. People are sometimes addressed to a T on the plane. I mean, like, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, but like, if I have the choice, because you know what?

[A]

I was flying back From Atlanta last week. You know, I saw on the plane. And I'm going to like, I never do this.

[B]

Wait.

[A]

This is the first time I've ever even said this. I never do this because I never. I see people all the time and I'm like, oh. I never say anything because it's fine. I was flying back from Atlanta. I'm wearing my sweatpants, looking a fool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I turn around, Angelina Jolie.

[B]

And of course. Cause her daughter goes to Spelman.

[A]

Angelina Jolie.

[B]

No.

[A]

Crisp jacket, clean shirt, shades.

[B]

She.

[A]

It was like she was very clearly comfortable, but she was also like, I'm Angela Julie, so I'm gonna put that shit on.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I said, okay. If ever I get there, here's the. No, because I think I had on like, some Nike sweatpants that definitely had, like some general slow chicken or something on it. No shame. And then I looked around, I saw the Hollywood girl.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

All right, well. Oh, yeah. I just had to say this. And then we're done. Let me blow your mind Ooh, slippers.

[B]

Yes, Slippers.

[A]

Socks, Slippers, socks, slippers. Let me blow your mind Tonight diva get you some slipper socks. They have. I have. I just got a couple of pairs. They come all the way up to here. Warm, cozy, compressed. Wait, a full sock, but then a slipper bottom. I'll send you the link, girl. Three, four pairs. What I'm talking about. I was down to the lax suited and booted.

[B]

No.

[A]

Well, my comfortable non stop compliments.

[B]

Oh, my. I thought those were socks, but they're slippers.

[A]

That's right, girl. Get into it.

[B]

Slippers, socks you just wear.

[A]

Have like three pairs, different colors.

[B]

Oh, fashion. Damn.

[A]

Again, I felt like Devil wears Prada. Are those the new slippers?

[B]

Are you gonna see the two?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, I'm going.

[B]

You're going.

[A]

I was so worried.

[B]

Wait, really?

[A]

I was? Because I don't think everything needs a sequel. Yeah, I. I think great things don't need a part two.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was worried it was gonna be a catch. Grab. It definitely is a cash and it definitely is, but it looks good. It looks. It looks decent enough that I'll probably watch it and not be mad.

[B]

Okay. Hopefully. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[A]

And I mean, Meryl Streep accepted. So I guess.

[B]

Yeah. Honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Love Meryl.

[A]

She could play you. That bitch could do whatever she wants.

[B]

Honestly. Yeah. No, and I'll be honored.

[A]

Are you interested in acting?

[B]

I mean. Yeah, No, I was like. I. But I feel. I think, like, you know what? Yeah. I was like, I was like, I am. But I also feel like I. I've met actors who like really like just like not respect the art. That is what I'm trying to say. But like really just like like passionate about it. And I think like me, I'm like passionate in a different way and. But I want to get on the point where it's like, oh, like I'm a cinephile and like I'm just watch. I'm watching films. I'm like jump on.

[A]

Letterboxd.

[B]

Yeah, letterbox. You know, and stuff. But yeah, no, I, I was like, I am interested. I feel like I'm more in like voice acting realm because I feel like I have the. I, I generally I, I think I have like, I'm like, I know I can execute that really well.

[A]

You can on this album. It's just like, here's a demo.

[B]

Literally. This is my tape. This is, you know where to call me. You know me.

[A]

I can see you like writing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe directing it too. For sure.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like I'm really. I, I can be. I feel like how they say if you're like, oh, write a script. I think I can do it. I. And, and that's not to say that all the script writers out there, I don't want to be like, oh, like is so easy and blah blah, blah. No, no, no, no, no. I. I think that it is a. How they say it is just. It is an art form that you have to practice and practice and practice and I feel like it's something that I. I feel like it is something that I could do though.

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

You can absolutely do it. I think that if there are screenwriters or television writers at home that listen to you say that and go, yeah, try to engage. Oh, he's so gross. Or ridiculous and probably they not getting work, so. And again, knowing you are getting to know you would also put that in perspective if you. If I was in the cross from Kodak Black and you said it, I'd

[B]

be like, what a name. I've not heard that name in so long.

[A]

I love you.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really.

[A]

You sound so protected.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You haven't heard of Kodak Black? You are a 27 year old beautiful artist. Expecting you could take one of these educational.

[B]

No, I. Yeah, it might mean I was like, I need to further education, treat myself. Yes. Yes.

[A]

You're doing a great job.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I'm gonna let you know about your business. I feel like I asked you everything and I could probably sit here and ask you a million other things.

[B]

I'm here all day.

[A]

Well, maybe you can come back on the pod sometime.

[B]

Hey. Hello.

[A]

After we record a song together so that I can sing. I mean, I showed you.

[B]

Yes, you did.

[A]

Here's the material.

[B]

Hell yeah. Yeah.

[A]

When I drop this album and it's star studded, you're gonna gag.

[B]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[A]

You're gonna gag.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Where can people find you on the socials and stuff if they wanna.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I'm on TikTok, Insta, probably others under Hemlock Springs and with

[A]

an E. Hemlock with an E. Yeah.

[B]

Hemlock with an E. Thank you.

[A]

This is a delight. You are so, again, beautiful. Look at love, love, love, love, love your music. Than how passionate is. How grounded everything is. How, like, artistic but organic it all is. It doesn't feel forced. And it's your. Your art is so unexpected. Like, I can't wait to hear what's next because I don't know what it will be like or what it'll sound like, but I know I will like it. You're one of those artists who's like, emerging as it is said.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

But at the same time, I'm. I'm confident, you know, Like, I'm confident that I'm gonna listen to something and enjoy it because it feels like you are very confident and at least very certain in what it is that you're making and what your direction is. And that's always really exciting to see in here, especially if you look like us.

[B]

Like hell yeah.

[A]

So I'm forever rooting for you.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

And yes, as your aging older uncle, if you ever need anything, let me know.

[B]

A. Same here. I got you.

[A]

All right, everybody, this is me and Hemlock Springs sending you on about your business this fierce thoughts. Make sure you give me a like a subscribe all those beautiful things. Find me on Instagram and tick tock and all that stuff. I figured you have to say that now.

[B]

Yeah, it was like part of the script.

[A]

It Smash that like button.

[B]

Smash that like button.

[A]

Where did that come from? That's.

[B]

We'll do that later.

[A]

All right, bye.

[B]

Bye. Thank you so much.