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About to sound like a big, big hipster. You'll get over it. Wearing rock band tees for bands you've never heard of. Don't listen to is so late. I don't know why we're still doing this. Why do you have on a billboard for a product you've never heard of? Don't know anything about? It is strange. It's strange like, okay, I understand that it is a part of a culture and an aesthetic that I guess you find appealing, but it feels like to me, if I was walking around with, like, an Arby's T shirt on, why would I do that? I don't eat there. I don't know nothing about it. I don't know what's on the menu, and I don't care. I don't understand. It's just like, oh, yeah, I like the big lips with the tongue sticking out. I recognize it. Or the squiggly face. You don't know shit about this band. Why do you have their clothes on? How do you know they're not maga? They might eat babies. They might make bad music. You don't know shit about them. And then there's the posers. I don't really know if they're worse. I don't think they're worse because they're, like, attempting to, you know, assimilate into, I guess, the rock band group. But, my God, if we're talking about Nirvana and I asked you their favorite song, you say, smells Like Teen Spirit. I might spit in your face. I might spit directly in your face because what the fuck are you talking about? Out of all of their songs, you pick the TRL one. I don't have time. And then when I say my favorite song is Paper Cuts, it's like, oh, it's on their first album, bitch. What the fuck are we. Why are we having this conversation?
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Stop.
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Stop it. Just wear a T Pain T shirt and get your life. They have a million of them at Target. I have a few. I'm not even being shady. We know T Pain. We love T Pain. We can be on the same page there. Why the fuck do you have on a Guns N Roses T shirt? Who's in the band? Name someone quick. Gunshots to your head like Glock to your forehead right now. Name somebody in Guns N Roses. I almost want long white tees back. Because then, you know, that's just neutral. Don't nobody give a fuck. Or it's just a piece of fabric. Y' all get on my nerves. You get on my nerves. And we just talked about Gwen Stefani. So if the Hollow Batgirl that you do know about is a problem, imagine Metallica. You don't know anything about them. Oh, okay. This is furious. Thoughts? I'm kidding, Fury. Welcome back. For those of you who are still interested in marriage, God bless you. When you're having like a wedding, or I think even when you go down to the court or whatever and they say you may kiss or whatever, you know, your big marriage kiss, why is it a peck? Like, there should be no like. What the fuck is this PBS kid's ass? Kid, you should make out. I don't give a fuck. Who cares if anybody is watching. This is the kiss that symbolizes the union of this person you're supposed to be with for the rest of your life. Passion. It should be like Netflix those cheesy ass Netflix porn shows. You should be tonguing each other down. Unless you're not really sure about this, in which case, you know, just run down the altar like in that one movie, many movies. I. I think I'm thinking of Sex in the City. I don't know why, but you have time to escape before the kiss if it's not worth it. But I think that when you're having. When you're getting married and you're having, like a nice wedding, tongues down, go for passion. You know, it's the sign of. Of something. True. Now if you're on, like your second or third wedding, bitch, just shake hands. Who gives a fuck? Like, I don't even. I don't even care to see you kiss at that point. But I'm not even gonna. But I feel like this thought started on a positive place and I'm trying to inspire you guys to really go for it. And if you're going to be happy and strap your goddamn feet and finances and mind and body to another person for the rest of your life, might as well start off with a bang. Good luck. This one goes out to all of you out there who have ops. If that shit don't end in a medical bill, let that go. If there isn't like a. A medical bill, like, someone had to go to the hospital and, you know, in this day and age, one stitch or staple is like a solid $5,000. So that would add to the beef for me as well as, you know, embarrassment if you're the one, you know, on the gurney. So I feel like if. If it isn't that, let it go. What the fuck are you even actually beefing about? Oh, someone knotted you up. Oh, someone Beat your ass in front of your girl. Build a bridge, listen to a therapy podcast. Call your mama. You know what I'm saying? Try to call your daddy and let it go. I feel like if it really. If you didn't have to be rushed somewhere, because, girl, you know, the ambulance is also, like, another $5,000. So you've already hit $10,000 just to go get, like, someone to glue your eyebrow. At that point, I'm extra pissed, right? And so it's probably going to be cardi b for the rest of your life. Forever. I don't know. Some of y' all just like, oh, someone said something slick to me on threads, and now it's war. Do you remember when I drove to Temecula to go find somebody on Twitter? That's the first and only time I've ever heard of Temecula. I'm still not sure where it is, but I know this nigga was very, very upset about, like, Kobe Bryant. If it was somebody who didn't know anything about this person, never would. Wouldn't care. And the disagreement was so foul and it was so heated, this person was like, I'm gonna spend my time. I'm gonna spend my gas and miles. I'm going to spend, you know, possibly the rest of my life or the end of my life to go and physically attack someone over a basket. Cause I'm telling you something. If you skate past my residence because you want to fight over Nicki Minaj, I'm shooting you. I'm not even going to argue with your ass. And YouTube, wherever. Listen, I said it and I meant it. This is in America. This is America, right? Don't get cute when it comes to gun violence. Because my blackest. If you come over here arguing with me about Jack Harlow and the Weeknd, I am shooting you. I'm just gonna. I'm not even. I'm not even stepping outside. I'm gonna shoot you. So I genuinely forgot what I was talking about. It's fine. I think I made my point, whatever it was. I need a scientist. Like, a real scientist or, I don't know, psychologist, whoever. I need someone to give me an explanation behind why black people uncontrollably, uncontrollably shout when they hear good singing. Why is it that, like, it's. It is not possible for us to hear great vocals and be quiet and sit still. I don't think we know how to do. Doesn't matter if it's Aretha Franklin. It doesn't matter if it's your four Year old baby at the recital where we hear someone hit that note in that key and we're impressed. Niggas will legitimately, like, step into the aisle and do a backflip. This isn't a complaint. I love it. I just don't understand why we do it. You know what? It's probably like some sinner shit. It's probably like an ancestral thing where we just have no. You know, it's probably in our DNA. See, I'm not a scientist and I'm not smart, so I feel like I'm doing a lot of the work here and probably making a fool out of myself. So one of you bitches who do this for a living give me, like, oh, yes. Back in the. The days of, I don't know, pride rock. Okay, I'm getting racist. Ladies and femmes. I want to talk about mascara. I want to talk about why you do it. I want to talk about how you do it. What is this? Every single time I see somebody put mascara on, I genuinely hear.
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I want to play a game.
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It doesn't make, like, why? What? Okay. Beauty is pain. I think Beyonce said, pretty hurts. Does it have to? That just seemed. Chime in again. Comments, everything. Hit me wherever you can. How many of you have poked yourself in the eye? And what was that experience like? Is. Is the. The paint. What do you call it? The makeup, whatever. The mascara, is it eyeball proof? I'm making up things terms. Do they make it so that if you do get it in your eye, it's like, no big deal? That's impossible. That's impossible. If water touches my eyeball, I want to die. So I. Okay, it just seems so dangerous. Y' all do it on a pretty much daily basis. I remind myself, though, that like a lot of the, you know, a lot of my cunty sisters, you do it for you. You know, you're not doing it for the streets. You're doing it because you like it. And I think that's beautif. And I will always cheerlead when it comes to that. In that regard, if you are playing jigsaw with your eyeballs for a nigga, please step up to the front. If you are doing it for a man, if you're doing it for free before 12, and you're just like, I know the men are out. I want to talk to you. I want to talk to you. Because the man you're looking for has not clipped his nails in a month, hasn't washed behind his ears. He is half dead. And here you go. About to gouge your own eye out. And then on top of that, y' all be ugly niggas. Okay, so let's have that conversation so the girlies could have like some sparkling bust down jewelry or whatever, huge chains and tattoos. And look like the cat's ass. Literally look like pumpkin head. Literally look like motherfucking Garfield in the face. These niggas actually look like the Grouch. And you're like, what? I don't understand how there are so many beautiful niggas. I'm sorry, I'm flustered. I don't understand how there are so many beautiful women who are committed to niggas that look like a foot. Why are you doing that? And then they're not nice to you. Blink thrice if you need help. We can get it for you. And I forgot what I was talking about. The saints are on ketamine. They don't know what to do. They don't know how to do. My God. Listen, everything ain't for you. Everything don't have to be for you. You don't have to go on every journey that's offered. You know what I mean? You could stick to whatever the fuck it is that you. Whatever a normal vice is or nothing, you know? You know, a good old aperol spritz. I don't know what that is, but y' all order it. A good old blunt joint. Edible, you know what I mean? Even the girls who flirt with coke, Ketamine is a different girl. She's like a different zip code, you know what I'm saying? She is original Kesha. She's. She's. You know what I mean, TikTok. And didn't she say something about not brushing her teeth? I don't remember how this all goes, but that's ketamine. She will beat your ass just because she's drunk. She's that white girl at the club who has had way too many shots of, I don't know, vodka. And now she want to fight everybody because her man that remind her of her father has cheated on her again or whatever. I don't know. But I forgot what I was talking about. Ketamine. You know, sometimes I see. When I see people smoking cigarettes, I'm genuinely like, how did you get there? Not even in a judgmental way. I'm just always like, what? When was your first cigarette? Did someone just go, hey, do you want to smoke? And then you did. Did you see it on like a tv? Like, I'm interested in people's intro to cigarettes. And I Feel the same way about ketamine. Actually, that makes way more sense to me. You're probably just in West Hollywood or downtown LA, and it's 3 o' clock in the morning, and here's somebody you don't know and just like, oh, for the thrill of it. A, it's incredibly dangerous, and B, you don't know how to do it. And you shouldn't have to do it, okay? Because let me tell you something. One of my favorite temples, Shirley. Unmatched, solid. Every time you meet her and you can get home, stay out of that hole, Liquid. Some of y' all are making a fool out of yourself. And on top of, you know, putting your life in danger. So this has been public service announcement from dare. Do the kids know about dare? Is DARE still a thing? DARE used to be.
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Cut.
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Let me tell you something. They would just come out to the school and tell you not to do drugs and shit, and then they would give you just amazing merch. I feel like they probably sell Dare shirts and Urban Outfitters now just for the fuck of it, right? They'll just give the shirts away. And I feel like there was like a lion mascot or something. And then one time when I was in elementary school, they brought, like, the police out, and they were like, oh, here's the police car. And, you know, this is what could happen to you if you're on drugs. Would anybody like to sit in the back of the police car, y'? All? And I'm not making this up. I'm so sorry I said I did. I did say I wanted to. And they did, in fact, put me in the back of that police car. I might regret that I said that. I was, like, 6 and I was interested. It was less fascinating than I thought it would be. It was just the back of a car with, like, a cage. But I have not been in the back of one since. Amen. Amen. DARE works. Bring back dare. Or is AI just daring out whatever? Ladies, gentlemen, all folks in between, you're back with me on Furious Thoughts. And I have a very special guest with me today on the brand new set, the new home. First one this person has. I mean, I don't even feel like you need an introduction, but I'm gonna give it to you anyway because you deserve it. This motherfucker is an expert songwriter, music performer, playwright. Yes, actor, and bad bitch. It's just 10. Just 10.
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Come on, bad bitch.
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Finally, here I can. I'm actually gagged on the short time between me discovering you and becoming an instant fan and then you being here.
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Oh, my goodness. Thank you for having me. I'm glad to be in the new home.
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My home. Yeah. It looks just like the old bitch.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Thank you for having me.
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So I feel like I'm gonna have to spin the block on this one. You have a lot of disguise.
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Let's do it.
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Let's start with the music. The first. My introduction to you is right off the Tale of Wicked, I think.
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Yes.
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And it was you performing When I
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Meet the Wizard Peanut Box. So down.
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When I saw this, I probably watched it, no lie. Like, six times in a row.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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The thing that really, really impressed me was, like, obviously it's funny and it is. It's current, but I listened to. I was like, this is expertly written. Like, and then everything that you have released musically since then, Class president, let me tell you something. I listened to locker number one.
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Oh, locker number 10. Yeah, yeah.
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Locker number 10. I'm sorry.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I listened to that song.
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This makes me happy. This makes me happy.
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I'm not a street nigger.
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I went to private school.
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I went to private school. It reminds me a little bit, that project and that song of a rapper we used to hold very dear. We don't talk about them anymore. Not her or him. Just in the sense that, like, you're very, very decided and certain.
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Yes, yes.
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Of who you are in this stage in your life.
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Correct.
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And you put it to art and storytelling and music in a way that is so compelling and is so individual to you. So just tell me a bit. Where are you from, Gam? Atlanta. I knew where you were.
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Where you were at. Atlanta, Georgia.
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What is in the water out there? Y' all making all this fire needs to call this.
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Listen, I don't know. It's just the culture, I think, you know? And you know what's so crazy is class president came after I did a short film with my best friend Amari. I don't know if you've seen Mechanical Pencil.
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Okay, yes.
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Where we were in the classroom and.
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Yes, absolutely.
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You know what?
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I'm.
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The way that it kind of started, the wicked thing. I don't know. I was just having fun.
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Right, Clearly.
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And I wanted. But I was like, how do I make this, like, fit in the world of ballroom? And it was just the. Like, he's gonna use my right pronouns. Like, you know, it's just like, he won't use my dead name. You know, I just tried to put things in it that would make it fun. And so in the Midst of that, my friend Amari was like, justin, I want you to rap in my short film. I want you to, like, musically directed. And she had told everybody, like, I want y' all to wear, like 90s kind of like apparel. But Justin, you wear a suit. I was like, wait, so everybody gets to be cool and I gotta wear a suit? She was like, I want you to give, like, class president tees. Like, yeah, I'm gonna put you in a hat and we're gonna put pencils in it.
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Oh, I love that.
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And I said, that's kind of my personality, though. Class president is kind of my personality. So that next week, I think I wrote Pledge of Allegiance in like a day.
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Now they're Firestone.
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I went to go record it, and after I recorded it, I was like, I love this song. And I think I want. How many songs is on that project? Six others with it. And in the next month. I just got in the studio and I didn't overthink it. I just. Me and my friend Claude, otherwise known as C Squared in Atlanta, we just locked in and something came of it. But I don't know. I think it's just the. Because I come from so many different worlds, I think I'm curious about, like, the fusion of these things. And history inspires me. So, like, the history of, like, what black queer artists have done before me, the history of ballroom, of the MCs in ballroom, how we've been erased from hip hop, that all kind of like, just fascinated me. And I said, how can I create kind of like an assortment bag of that and then let the Persona be schoolboy realness? Class president, right? And it just kind of worked.
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It worked.
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It just kind of was like lightning in a bottle, all seamless. Ye.
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You kind of get an idea of what you're getting.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then you listen to it and it's like, yes, this met the expectations. This wasn't just some gimmick or whatever. And then I'm listening to whatever it is, a full story. It's so decided. Thank you. And I feel like I said this to you before, and it might be weird unkty stuff, but I am proud of you.
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Thank you. I'll be mean to you.
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You make me so proud. Because there. And here's the other thing about it. When you are true to yourself and you're making the music that. Or the art rather, that is true to you, and you're not chasing anybody else's idea or trying to fit yourself in any box, you end up Making art that people need.
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Listen, a friend of mine always tells me, she's like, if you try and create something for everybody, it's not gonna hit, but if you create the most specific, personal thing to you, it'll be universal. And I hold that like, yeah, I thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that.
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I'm so excited. I feel like this. You're like, in the classic early stage, where you're like, oh, at every Coachella world tour again stuff.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The girl's gonna look back and be like, well, were you there for.
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Were you there for class president?
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That's what it's gonna be.
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What you want, want, what you want want, you know?
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Really? You're gonna be like, oh, can you perform that again? Oh, girl, fine.
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And I mean, that's music now. I mean, people have to get comfort. I think that's something I'm learning in music too. Is that, like, you'll see people, they're posting their reels every day of the same song for three months. Because that's kind of what the industry is now. So, yeah, I'm gonna whatcha want want? Because there's someone out there that wants to wan wah rat. You know what I'm saying? And some people who haven't heard it yet. So I never, like. I've kind of gotten over that because I am somebody where I used to. I really started performing music at open mic nights. Cause I do spoken word.
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Nice, nice.
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So I really started doing spoken word when I went to school in Chicago. And every time I came to spoken word, I'd want to do something new. I wanted to do something new. I didn't want to do something that I already did. I was like, that makes sense, you know what I'm saying? Like, let me do something very poet. You know what I'm saying? But I noticed there are so many people who come back and they did the same verse every week, and they just kept, kept, kept. And their song was getting streamed because they kept doing the same verse. So I've kind of learned how to, like, be consistent in that way. And also relieves the pressure on me to feel that I have to, like, overproduce and over push my pen, you know, that I have things that, like, can still be utilized.
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I suppose it's nice also in the sense of being able to. I mean, you can tell me if I'm wrong. Being able to just kind of like, sit with a song and enjoy a song rather than being like, here today, you know, gone tomorrow. Because I'm sure there's also the machine of, like, more, more, more, more, more.
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Absolutely.
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So it has to at least be something.
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Oh, absolutely. I'm tired. No, no, no, I'm not tired yet.
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No, of course. But, I mean, you're still a human being for sure.
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No, it. It is. It's a lot of pressure. I think even. Especially at this moment right now. I. I feel so behind. I still. And it's so. So I appreciate you saying that. Like, it seems that I'm now. Because I feel like it's time for more. It's time for more. I want to produce something, but it's not always up to me. Like, it's just not. I refuse to, like, create fast food and just, like, garbage. Just like. But here, it's quick and it's. You know, it's not in me to do, like. I just don't create for that reason. The only, like. But it's starting to get to a point where it's like. But to survive, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, I adapt. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And also, people around me who support me are encouraging me that, like, the thing you think is fast food might not really be, like. It might still have some nutrition to it. So, you know, put it out. Do it, you know? But it's just. It's taking time for me to trust that. But I want, when I put things out, for it to be something you can listen to 10 times because I want you to. Did I miss that? I want that. I kind of live for that. I want people to be able to dig.
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Yes.
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You know what I mean?
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Yes, absolutely. I mean, a sexy black lady from Texas said, I'm an artist about my shit. And that's just how that goes. But, I mean, even Beyonce, you know, came out into the parking lot at some point and gave us 7:11.
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She was like, all right, here, have it. Have some.
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Whatever.
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Yeah.
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So I'm learning, and we gonna close seventh White. Seventh White. This is what it is.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Okay, so aside from music, let's take a break. I wanna talk about how, first of all, I'm a big movie fan. I'm a cinema nerd. I'm waiting Criterion to be invited to the closet. I haven't taken it personal yet. So I watched movie trailers, like, damn near every day. Okay. Okay. So then I see a thumbnail for this movie called Is God Is? And I see in the thumbnail these two beautiful black girls. I'.
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Yes, the most beautiful.
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Right from the. I mean, the opening seconds, I was like, I'll be There. Like, I didn't have to. I didn't even have to get that deep into it. It immediately sets up the premise and the tone. I was almost like, I don't even want to watch the rest of the trailer because I know I want to see it. Lo and behold, here comes a frame of this young man. And I had. I literally hit the little he said, 10 second back shit on the YouTube.
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I was like, what's with the Leonardo DiCaprio? That's.
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That's.
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That's what.
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I literally did that. Yeah, I literally did that. I had to zoom in and just, like, pinch up. Like, I know that is him. This better be him. I think I screamed out loud and my dog left the room because she was like, all right, here she go again. Like, ain't nothing that excited, bitch.
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Yes. The girls are messaging me down like, is this you? It was like, is this you? I think this is you, but I don't know.
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Yeah, I literally had to, like, check it and confirm.
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Oh, yes.
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It made me so excited. It's just like, oh, your steps are so ordered.
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Ooh, yes. God is good. No. Yes.
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Your steps are so ordered. I literally went from seeing this Wicked video and being like, okay, girl, what you gonna wear to the Grammys? Real, Real.
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And it was just at the Grammys.
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Work.
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God worked. But you know what's so crazy is I went to school for acting.
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I went to now.
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I figured, yeah, I got my degree in acting from the theater School at DePaul in Chicago. And really, the way that social media came about was I got tired of being told no and having to wait for permission to create. So I just started tiktoking doing Instagram because I was like, I'm not gonna sit around here and wait for my yes. Like, I'm just not. I'm gonna be in ballroom. I'm gonna do poetry. I'm gonna. I need to be doing something. So that's how, like, it just. The garden kind of grew, you know, so the tick, the wicked and stuff, that was me having fun. And, you know, is God is came along. We shot it in 2024. That audition came, and, you know, I just worked so hard. I already loved the play. And I loved Alicia. Alicia Harris. She wrote and directed it. She's a phenomenal poet, phenomenal writer. And I was like, oh, my God, this is just for me. Like, I need this, you know? And I just locked in. And it was beautiful. It was a beautiful process. I'm so excited it received the response that it has so Far the trailer because it's unlike anything out.
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Yeah.
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You know what I'm saying? So it's like I'm hyped. I'm super hyped.
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Okay.
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So yeah, what do you want to know? He's trying to get things done because
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I'm being a Stan and I'm trying to like keep it together. Mind you, I met Beyonce, but I freaked out there too.
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My Virgo queen.
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I watched this trailer and I again, the premise is so fire. And I was like, okay, these two black girls on a mission by their mama to go and kill their daddy that tried to kill them. I'll be there. I don't need anything else. I'll be there. And then you pop up. So tell me about this experience on set. Cause you're playing Sterling K. Brow's son, Riley. My name is Riley. First of all, shout out to you because I don't think I could play his son. Cause he's daddy, you know what I mean? But that's. He's father overall.
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Father.
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So shout out to you for your professionalism. Without giving away too much, what can you tell us about Riley? What parts of you do you think you brought to that character?
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B
Absolutely. Riley is a twin. Second set of twins in the movie Brother of Scott, Son of man. And you know, Riley is a young 15 year old boy who is navigating. I think for me, I was more so interested in like the neglect I think from I'm trying to, you know, take your time. The parental roles in the movie. Truly to me a queer kid, you know, with. When I think about the title is God is it makes me think a lot about worship. So I thought a lot about like what this young boy worshiped and what he was, what he chose to worship because what example did his parents set? What did they worship? Did they worship love? Did they worship empathy, connection or revenge, betrayal, rage? And so Riley is navigating those things and these two girls come along and finally he meets Anaya and feels seen. This set of twins who, my God, I'm a twin and I'm in this big house, but I don't really feel seen. And these girls come along and he feels seen by them. And then things kind of took a turn and so. And then it's, it's exposed kind of like what I think they're all put to the test on like what they worship and what they'll choose to worship, what emotions they'll choose to follow. So yeah, that's the best I can.
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A
That is all that I need Spilling. And that's all you need.
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B
Yeah, but it's so funny that you said for the professionalism with Sterling, because I remember when I first saw him on set, like, I was. We were shooting and stuff, but he showed up at night and he's sitting by the pool. And I was,
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A
no facts.
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B
I was like, papa. Like, no facts.
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A
You know, like, it's like a chocolate that glows.
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B
Yes. He was just. And he was outside by himself. It was just like. And I said, what, what do I. What do I say? What do I. And I said, justin, just go. Be honest. So I walked up to him. I was like, I just want to get this out the way real quick. Love you down. You're amazing. Oh, my goodness. I'm so happy to be here. So happy to be working with you. I just love you now. It's nice to meet you. I'm Justin. I'm playing Riley. He was like, oh, what's up, son? I said, hello, father. And then it was like. And it was. And then we proceeded, you know, and what's so cool about working with like, people like Sterling? And I was on fight night. Yes, absolutely. I've worked with Kevin and Sam Jackson, Don Cheadle. You have no time to be an imposter. You have no time to feel like, do I deserve to be here? You have to work. And honestly, being around them, they make it easy because they are working. They are there to work. There's no nothing. They're focused. And honestly put a fire in me. Like, oh, I want. Yeah, let's go.
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A
Some people inspire too.
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B
Yeah, you know, Absolutely. It was like, we can have fun on set and everything too. But it's like, be vigilant and be like, be ready. It made me feel like just like an athleticism of it. You know what I'm saying? And it's sport like, it is like, you know what I'm saying?
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A
But you're right in the sense that you don't really have time for the imposter thing. You have a time. You have to be on set. You have a certain amount of times before the day over. You have certain coverage for, like, you really don't have time to not believe in yourself.
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B
And it's very hurry up and wait. It's very like, get here at 4am but wait until 2pm to go on camera. So you need to stay ready so
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A
you don't gotta get ready about shooting in Florida, where it is constantly hurricane season all but maybe three days. And when that lightning and thunder comes out every time A boom takes place. You gotta wait, like, another 20 minutes.
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B
Yep. Cut.
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A
So here we are at 4am waiting to do a scene where somebody pass a glass to somebody else.
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B
Hello.
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A
And we've been sitting here for seven goddamn hours. Like, no, it really is.
- [32:38]
B
No, literally, I'm like. And that's so crazy, because, you know, this is my first film, by the way, too.
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A
Congratulations.
- [32:45]
B
It's so different from theater. What I'm used to in theater, you have time to, like, you know, do the table work, and. You know what I mean? And when you start, you're kind of off. Like, when the play starts, you can just go. But this thing is like, stop. Okay, stop. It's like, oh, God. It's like, oh. It's just. It's the start and stop of it. So it was definitely, like, a different process, and it just takes a different level of presence that I thought that Sterling just was masterful of. Like, he could dip in with us and joke around and then be back here and then tap in. It was crazy.
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A
It was crazy. That's awesome. You know, what would you say, like, is some, like, comparison, some contrast to theater versus, like, film and whatnot? Cause main thing I think about when performers are on stage is the high that you probably get from people being right there and just witnessing versus, like, you know, acting on camera is fire too. But there is way more start. Stop moving around and stuff.
- [33:53]
B
And it feel. And I think with film, it feels like a little more pressure because it's like, whatever. You have three to four times to do this, and that is it. That's what it's gonna be pretty much
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A
like, okay, I guess we got it.
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B
Yeah. You know, I think film, for me, takes more trust. It's strangely more vulnerable. I think for me, it takes another level of surrender. I mean, like, in a play, even if you start the play a little rocky, you can find your footing. You know what I'm saying? You have the next hour and a half to find your footing. And, you know, I don't care what people say. Actors love attention. And when they're in that live studio and people are giving you that mm, mm, you feel kind of like, okay, let's go. You know, it kind of drops you in a little bit. You get that validation a little. But, I mean, in film, there's not really that same validation from people. So I had to learn how to just give it to myself and just, like, trust. Like, okay, did you do what you intended? Okay, well, then that's what it's gonna be.
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A
What Are some of the things that you did to, like, prepare for the role?
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B
Good question.
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A
After you got the part, that.
- [35:03]
B
Good question. That's another. That's another difference is, like, you get much more preparation in theater. So in this. I just started with the text. I started with the text. I read the play again, Even though the play differs from the movie. I read the play again because I just wanted the bass to be more comfortable, more familiar with what the bass was. And after I read the play, it was just so juicy. It fed me again. And then I read the script again. And something that I do, I like to highlight everything that somebody says about my character. You know what I'm saying?
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A
Brilliant.
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B
You know, so if somebody says. If Scott said, you know, Riley, he's just so meticulous. Well, now I know that even if I don't think I'm meticulous, I know someone views me as meticulous. And it just gives me information, right? So I need all that information about my. My person before I start to do my backstory. And what does the text say about me? What does this say about Riley? And so I started with that. I did my beats. I did. I did what I thought my beats were. I did what I think I need or want, and I let it go. I really didn't. I don't do too much. Cause it's gonna change. You're gonna get to set. And like, they changed that line. It's no longer that you. You know. So honestly, I got to set, I learned my lines, and I just trusted that all the information that I needed was in my body. And I just. Action.
- [36:31]
A
Action. I think same day script rewrites should be punishable by law. It should be against the law. Ooh.
- [36:38]
B
It's like, you know, and like, it's such a. You really realize, too, how, like, actors are not a small part of the ecosystem, but there are just so many parts moving parts, and so I've learned. So I'm like, oh, okay. Well, I have to trust that this choice is being made and it's not about me, even though it makes my job harder in this moment. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, that's really what it looked like. And then when it was cut, you never really feel satisfied. I mean, I don't, you know, even. I just. Cause you feel like there's something more to this. There's something more to discover than.
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A
There's like a list movie stars that are like, I don't watch none of my damn things because they're Too sensitive.
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B
I hate watching.
- [37:23]
A
Let me tell you something. I ain't watching none of this shit yet.
- [37:25]
B
I. It's like, I'm. Well, it's brilliant, by the way, just from you guys. Watch it. Thank you. But, you know, I understand. Cause it's just. Ugh. It's just. And I'm a Virgo, so I'll start picking and. And it's like. It's not. It's not about that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, and then I'll go into the next thing like, well, I could have done this. No.
- [37:44]
A
Yeah. You gotta free yourself. Like, Fantasia's okay.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Let's talk about you as a storyteller again. I briefly hit on this with class President, locker number 10, roll call. You are very certain of this story that you're telling, and it works really well. Are there any other, like, story ideas or things that you have, like, in your. In your noggin up there, you want to share maybe in the future?
- [38:20]
B
Absolutely, absolutely. I'm writing a musical right now. Or a Hip Hoppera, whatever you want to call it. It's called Roman Juice. It's a queer retelling of Romeo and Juliet. You might be familiar. It went viral a while ago. Once upon a time lived a little girl, and she lived in the deep blue sea. For the girls who know, they know. And basically, it is a story of Roman Jews falling in love as they're in opposing houses, and how they navigate in a scene that is, you know, breaking apart in a world that deems their love unforbidden as well. And I just think that we needed a story that showcased black trans women as desirable and black queer men. Loving them.
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A
That was really aggressive. Yeah.
- [39:08]
B
Loving them without having to apologize for it. Because I think that there are men, unfortunately, who need permission in the world to love our girls. You know what I'm saying?
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A
And so come on now, into the good warm sunlight.
- [39:22]
B
Come on. You know, love. It's okay. It truly is okay. But, you know, in a lot of ways, it's not too, you know, it's dangerous. But I think that art like this kind of creates a safer space. Maybe not the safer, but a safer space. And I would. I think people need to see these stories, see these dynamics.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So, yeah, I'm writing that right now. That's something that I would love to share. I love to develop.
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A
I mean, it's brilliant. It almost as you describe it. I'm like, anybody do this yet?
- [39:55]
B
Yeah. No. No, no, no, no. So that's something I'm working on. Music always Making music. I'm in my beat bag right now. I'm learning how to produce Chloe Bailey down, you know, and I know how to produce a little. I produced a song on Class President, but I think off the wall.
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A
Nice.
- [40:11]
B
But I think the sound that I'm feeling or going for really can't be created by anybody but me is kind of what I feel. So I have been in my beat bag with music. I want to drop a poetry album. I want to drop another, you know, just fun hip hop album, Hip hop project. I want to be in more movies and film and TV shows. So, yeah, I. And it's so funny because I just moved here.
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A
Welcome.
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B
Thank you.
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A
And while I'm there, it's hot and expensive, but yeah.
- [40:44]
B
Yes, absolutely. And like, while I'm being thrust into this visibility so fast, it feels like, dang, like I'm in transition. I'm actually pretty like. It's so nice to hear you say I'm certain because I feel so lost right now. In the best way, in the best way. Not lost. Like, I don't know what I'm. But just like, the ways in which I'm creating are changing. The way the flow is coming, where it's coming from is changing. The way that God is blessing me is changing. And I'm a pattern, girl. I gotta get the pattern. But the pattern is changing. And I'm just in a new atmosphere. And so I'm working on, I'm observing and not absorbing right now.
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A
I'm just like, mm, preach preacher.
- [41:27]
B
You know what I'm saying? I don't need to make this mean something. It's just I'm in a new space, things are changing and I just need to sit and wait and when it hits, it hits, you know?
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A
And like the listener, the consumer, we can typically tell when we receive art from someone that they are not only confident in it, they don't need you to like it. You know what I mean? Like, they like it and who does? Will, that is also very homey for people who are consuming your things because it not only like, might you be affirmed, but you also feel safe.
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B
Yes.
- [42:04]
A
Because like, oh, this person is not half stepping. They not sort of kinda about these things. They're saying they full chest.
- [42:09]
B
And I needed that when I grew up, I needed that. And honestly, it would make me frustrated when I would see black queer artists rest in their ambiguity of like, I could be this, I could be that. No, I need to hear you say, you fuck niggas. I need to hear you say it.
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A
You like dick.
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B
You like dick, And I need to hear you say it.
- [42:27]
A
Please say that, girl.
- [42:28]
B
You know what I mean? And on one hand, I respect people's right to navigate how they want and share what they want. But I think I needed someone who lived loud and proud and authentic, because it maybe would have sped things up for me. It made certain things click quicker. And so that's kind of my goal. I never want to be ambiguous or mysterious about what is happening. I want it live in your face. And, yeah. And I'm comfortable. I like to go where I'm celebrated. You know, I'm in ballroom. You know what I'm saying? And so it's like, get started on that. Like, I'm in ballroom.
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A
In ballroom, bitch. Your opinion, girl.
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B
It's a lot of girls, so I. I'm in ballroom, so I'm used to walking and performing for girls on a panel who have no, you better earn this. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, and I ask myself a lot. Dang. Like, it's difficult because it's like, do people deserve this access to this culture? Right. You know, this is just my thing. I love to do it, but do they deserve the, like, access? You know what I'm saying? So it makes me think, like, oh, should I? But no, I do it. And the girls that get it, get it, and the girls that don't, don't. And I'm comfortable with that. I don't know if I need to be, like, mainstream. I don't know if that's what it's supposed to be. I think that would kill the specialty of it, you know what I'm saying?
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A
Cause you'll just get there regardless, because that's what's meant for you.
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B
Thank you.
- [44:10]
A
It's truly fabulous.
- [44:11]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
So speaking of is God is. Let's talk about your faith, how that's worked for you up until this point. May I ask your age?
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B
Yeah, I'm 26.
- [44:23]
A
Work. I'm older than that. Oh, yeah. Tell me a bit about, like, your faith, how that has maneuvered through your art and how that has shown up in this film.
- [44:38]
B
Ooh, that's good. Very spiritual. I'm very spiritual. You're all spicy. You know, over here, there's certain. I just. I think God communicates to me through signals and symbols and numbers and sounds. And it's so. There's so much evidence, you know what I'm saying? So God. I really do think, like, God moves everything in my life, including performance. In fact, I View. My people are like, oh, my God, how did you do that? Or, how'd you come up with that? It's a gift. Like, it's a. And in order to receive or download the things that are coming in, I have to take care of my vessel.
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A
Yes.
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B
You know what I'm saying? I have to take care of my body. So the most spiritual practice I have is just, like, taking care of me. You know what I mean? And in return, I'm rewarded. That's kind of just how I see the exchange happening. And then even, you know, with this, I talked a lot about worshiping. And in this film, even when I hear, is God is? I think of like, is you is or is you ain't? You know what I'm saying? So is God is. Is God ain't? And it really speaks to that duality of, like, Racine and Anaya, Riley and Scotch of, like, again, what thing am I gonna worship? And, you know, Ma, the character who Vivica plays, or God, I'm saying, mom, I'm thinking something else sends them off on a mission to go murder their father. And so it's this questioning of, like, is God from Ananiah? And then Racine of, like, God is. You know, And I think similarly to Scotch and Riley, that takes place. And for me, it just really was about, like, what has been fed into this person, this kid, and what is he trying to choose, you know what I'm saying? And regardless of what we choose, there's still what is fed into us, you know what I'm saying? I didn't come from a very religious family, but I did go to Catholic high school. I did go to Catholic University, just because my parents were from Chicago and they had that same Catholic foundation. That's just how it was. And even still, I determine what my religion is, how I'm gonna practice spirituality. But there is still what I was fed. There's still ways where I hear my dad come out or my mom come out. And I think that I took that into Riley of, like, okay, there's that duality of what I was fed, what I was told, what I was taught, what I observed, and who I'm trying to choose to be, who I'm trying to choose to become. You know what I'm saying? It's God. Yeah, it's God. God is. You know, there's that part of their questioning and then the decision. Yeah, that's like, yeah, big in the movie.
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A
I think I'm very much that way as well in terms of spirituality. Like, My mother Baptist.
- [47:36]
B
Yeah, come on.
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A
And I grew up every Sunday, many times not enjoying it, to the point where I think one of my aunts was like, y' all make the boy go out of church every Sunday.
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B
Are you Jamaican?
- [47:49]
A
Absolutely.
- [47:49]
B
I'm Jamaican, too. Oh, my God.
- [47:56]
A
Oh, my gosh.
- [47:58]
B
Yes. On my mom's side. My. My mom's side is Jamaican, so my. My grandmother and my grandfather are from Jamaica.
- [48:04]
A
Well, I'm just gonna tell people we're cousins.
- [48:05]
B
Yes, please.
- [48:07]
A
Yes. Yes. My mother. I. I grew up very much that and Botti boy. That's when my album is gonna be called Yes, I need you to.
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B
I would love if you could say, yeah, I got you. You just call me yeah.
- [48:20]
A
I was the same way where I ended up having those things that I learned Slash was taught. And then even in the struggle bus of being a queer kid, growing up and having religion, you know, as a part of your life, I always recognized that I had my own relationship with him, and I had my conversations with him and my affirmations with him.
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B
Cause how you gonna tell me? How you gonna tell me?
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A
How you gonna tell me what my daddy think about me?
- [48:50]
B
Come on, now. Come on. Is it possible that maybe the way that he communicates with you is different than the way he communicates? Is it possible? You know, I feel that strongly.
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A
Your daddy got a favorite one of his kids, too. It's probably not you. And that's why you're mad at me.
- [49:08]
B
Exactly. Cause blessed.
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A
We're good.
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B
Highly favored. Come on.
- [49:15]
A
How are you finding the. Oh, I got cards now.
- [49:18]
B
Come on. Cards.
- [49:19]
A
How are you finding the balance between being incredibly passionate about acting and writing? Acting and incredibly passionate about music and excellent. Both. Like, what is the. Especially being here now? What does that look like?
- [49:33]
B
I'm not. Okay, well, here's that. I'm not fighting the balance. The truth is, I see, like, all my things as, like, flowers. So there's, like, poetry, there's acting, there's music. There's even more specific ballroom, and there's teaching. There's all these things I want to do. And honestly, I see them all as plants. And different plants need different amounts of water and sunlight. You know, and my heart kind of determines what needs to be fed or watered. And in that moment, so, you know, in this season, it's acting right now. It's acting and it's music. You know, I dropped my project last year, but soon it. Acting might be cool. And now it's time to water poetry, and it's time to water this Thing. So I trust, like, I trust my intuition, of course, and trust, you know, and these are all different tools to, like, heal something in me, communicate something. And so whatever the thing is that I'm going through, I have to trust the tool that is needed for that thing to get out. And so that's how I kind of balance is. I just trust that. Okay. Like, while I want to keep the momentum of acting going, that is not what's happening right now. That's not what I'm being called to do. So it takes a lot of trust and a lot of surrender and faith and a lot of faith, you know, and it is frustrating because when you look at other people, you see them, like, have this thing, and they just continue to, like, follow it and water it, and they just, you know. But it almost feels like as soon as I'm getting started in one area, it's like, you know, it feels like a blessing and a curse a little bit. But when I look back at the bigger picture, it's like I'm watering all these things. But then I look back, and there's, like, this garden.
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A
You have garden.
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B
It's a garden. It's so abundant. And I'm like, oh, how do we get here? By trusting and having faith. Because, like, God has a. A mission for me that I don't know if I fully understand yet, but I trust. I do trust it.
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A
Same.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Every step that has gotten me to this point, I have felt in my body and above me. Oh, you're. This is what you have for me, I think I told my mom, like, a couple months ago, oh, God's been talking to me about doing this very thing my whole life. And she was like, really? I was like, yes. Like, yes. I haven't just been out here picking my nose just because the way I cuss and talk about dicks, like, this is. This is on purpose. Somebody, you know, it's just. I didn't choose it. It's just me.
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B
Absolutely. You know, And I know people think that's so cliche, but it's so real. Like, it chooses you.
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A
It does.
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B
And you can choose to obey or not.
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A
And the thing that's so powerful, again, I say about your artistry, is that it is so authentic.
- [52:13]
B
Thank you.
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A
And no shade. I feel like a lot of black, gay, masculine male performers are either they individually feel like they have to fit a box or do something really weird.
- [52:28]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
Because they don't want to just be
- [52:31]
B
like, oh, he's gay for sure.
- [52:33]
A
Or they just completely you know, adopt the fast food Persona and whether the music is good or not, there aren't going to be many young men like us that are like, oh, yeah, there's me. Outside of you being black and gay, for sure.
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B
For sure.
- [52:48]
A
Yeah. But you speaking about the things that you speak about, you rapping about the things you rap about and also being like, oh, ballroom. And here it is in the music. Like, we need that.
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B
Yes. I'm a butch queen, baby.
- [53:01]
A
That's what it is.
- [53:02]
B
I'm a butch queen. I need butch queen merch because I
- [53:04]
A
need all of them.
- [53:05]
B
We need butch queen merch.
- [53:06]
A
Yeah. No. 1,000%. All right. I'm not gonna take up too much of your time.
- [53:10]
B
No, yeah, you're good.
- [53:12]
A
I want to know what you have coming up in the future.
- [53:18]
B
Yeah, no, beyond this premiere.
- [53:21]
A
May 15th.
- [53:22]
B
May 15th. Get your tickets. Beyond this premiere, I don't know. I'm in a space where I don't know and I'm finding it. But the thing is, it's gonna arrive, it's gonna surprise me. And when I know you will know. I'm gonna. But I'm. I'm making music. I will be dropping a project soon. Don't know when, but soon. And. Yeah. Actually, can I use this moment to manifest it, please? Oh, absolutely. Let's do it. This is my. Yeah, yeah. So I have a project coming out. It'll be Grammy nominated.
- [53:58]
A
You already know, Grammy winning.
- [54:00]
B
Absolutely Grammy winning. My bad Grammy winning poetry album coming out as well. I actually have two shows that I'm gonna be in. One's a comedy, one's a drama. Fabulous. One is more of, like, in the, like, storytelling world of, like, black queer stories. And the other one, it might be some white shit. Ignore it. I'm getting my coin. I am going to be. Oh, I'm actually shooting a movie right now. It starts shooting next week.
- [54:26]
A
Yeah.
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B
So, yeah, I have that happening as well. And, you know, I'm writing poems and shit, so. If you're about to have a wedding and you need your vows written for you, call your boy.
- [54:38]
A
Listen, you gonna need something to keep from the wedding, I mean, or from the marriage. Cause you know it ain't gonna last, so at least have that keepsake that was like, oh, the vows were tea. Cause everything else wasn't. You know what I mean? I'm just like. Wait, so about this ballroom play.
- [54:54]
B
Yes. Now. Yes, yes. I just. I'm looking for somewhere to develop it.
- [55:00]
A
Okay.
- [55:01]
B
It's still being written. I'm writing currently, but I need a Space, you know, to develop it. So, you know, theaters, people with money. Girl, let me know. The people need it.
- [55:12]
A
Because don't wait. See, this is the problem with you bitches, okay? And the ones with suits up there, I don't know why you would be here, but in case you get this, stop waiting till the last damn minute for your grandson and them to be talking about, like, you know who just San is, please. And then all of a sudden, you have $5 million.
- [55:29]
B
Please. I. Cause why does it happen that way?
- [55:32]
A
It always does. Cause they don't wanna spend it unless they feel like they'll get more.
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B
But hopefully, you know, with Cats being on Broadway, it opens the door for, you know, stories like this to be a little easier. So, yeah, I'm actively developing that. That's like my passion project right now. But again, don't want it to be fast food. Don't want it to be easy bake.
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A
Not necessarily.
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B
And it's a one man operation right now.
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A
So, I mean, you're out here cooking. So it literally, God is just like. Yeah. On that day when that thing is gonna drop. I got you, Toni. You know, it's very much Beyonce. Like, you'll get act three when you get it.
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B
Truly, I'm not telling you. I'll leave my girl alone. She's gonna drop it when she drops it.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
The Met is coming up. She's showing up. What more do you want?
- [56:16]
A
Like Blue Ivy, probably be sending so many gowns back, you're not wearing that. But anytime now.
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B
She's a stage manager. She's a creative director. Yeah.
- [56:24]
A
Yes. Manager, choreographer, all of those things.
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B
Absolutely.
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A
Tell me what. When you think of your legacy and what you'd like it to be when you're like, buddy guy at the end of Sinners and you're just like, here I am, 70. However, what would you like to. Or what do you envision your legacy being? Cause I'm already like, okay, yeah, world tour. Like, I feel like I can already see you being like Andre 3000 of us. No, you're legitimately a better rapper.
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B
Rapper.
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A
You are a better lyricist than most rappers right now. Like, fuck around and find out I'm not just blowing smoke up these gay. Like, you can rap. Rap.
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B
Thank you.
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A
It makes sense that you're a poet and you have all of this theater background. But like.
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B
Yeah.
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A
What do you think? You looking back and being like, oh, yeah, the critties.
- [57:24]
B
Yeah. Looking back, I think joy is revolution. Like, curiosity is revolution. I think just the. Having the. I want people to look back and think, oh, my God, Justin was so joyful and he was so curious and so loving and also didn't need it to make sense. I think that's really big when I create is like, it doesn't have to make sense to me.
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A
If all of these points sound perfect for Trey, keep, you know, curious. It doesn't have to make sense. You know what I'm saying?
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B
Love me, yet I don't attract them. And that's good.
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A
It probably, like, that's good.
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B
I don't need that. I need a butch queen with a purse.
- [58:08]
A
One false move.
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B
But also, I just want to say too, like, when I do create, because now you said to think about rapping a little bit. Like, when I rap, I see raps as, like, spells. Like, it's really, like, it's magic. It's that it needs to be so. Even when I did pledge, I was like, I pledge allegiance to the cunts. The. What's the. What's the. When I chant better up the cut. Yeah, nice on the mic. Could do this shit all night. Beat the beat. You better yonder tough Lady Gaga. Like, I don't know what this means. What is yah yah, yah yah? Like what? I don't know.
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A
It's liars.
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B
But so, like, just also, like, surrender. Like, I just want people to see, like, oh, my goodness, I can try anything and it doesn't. I don't have to be great at it. But if it feels good to me, if it's alchemizing something in me, it's healing me, then. Then I'm gonna follow that. And yeah, so I. I think that's what it is. And I would hope that, like, young black and brown queer people look at me and see me as an inspiration. Is someone who, like, you know, lived their best life, you know, but was still, like, conscious and aware of what's happening and. But also someone who, like, gave back to. I think that it's like, all at the, like, foundation of it. It's like, how can I give back? You know? And if this is my way music stories, that's what it'll be, you know,
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A
So I think you're genuinely. I think you are going to birth other artists. Like, I think that you're going to look back and be like, I receive it. Look at this. This nice little group of talented us.
- [59:41]
B
Yes, my pretty, my tortoise, my thugs.
- [59:43]
A
I genuinely see that happening for you again. I'm so proud of you. I love you so much.
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B
Thank you.
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A
Real quick, before you go, I ask everybody this at the end. If you could make anything trend worldwide, what would it be?
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B
If I could make anything trend worldwide?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Right now. Sound bowls. I'm obsessed with sound bowls right now. I love sound bowls all around the world, including the set of baddies. First and foremost, they need some sound bowls. Y' all need some sound bowls. Baddies need sound bowls.
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A
Rollie just need to be in one, right? Just sit in the bowl and just let us. Cause they need all the help they can black ass get. It is rough over there.
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B
Sound bowl would be nice.
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A
I love it. The girls would be surprised if, like, you come into my house. Yeah. I run my mouth about fuck niggas or whatever. Come into the house. I've got the tarot, I got the crystals.
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B
Right.
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A
The bowl.
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B
Yes.
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A
Florida water.
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B
Yes, absolutely. The moon water.
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A
The devil won't be in my house. Oh, yeah.
- [60:36]
B
Hello. What Duran say? I don't like that demon. I don't see you. That would be me.
- [60:44]
A
The three of us should just have a podcast. Can you imagine? The whole world would explode.
- [60:47]
B
They would.
- [60:48]
A
Everyone would die.
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B
Don't. Hey.
- [60:50]
A
The three of us should have a podcast or a movie. No one would be able to type. Coming soon. You never know.
- [60:58]
B
Yes.
- [60:59]
A
All right. I'm gonna let you go.
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B
Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much.
- [61:03]
A
This was an absolute dream.
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B
I hope so.
- [61:06]
A
I'm so glad that I get to bookmark this in my life so that when you are, you know, I'll having lunch with Meryl Streep and Viola Davis and all of them, I could be
- [61:13]
B
like, yes, I remember that one time.
- [61:17]
A
So, yes. Love you down. Thank you for being here. I'm so excited again. Is God Is. Will be in theaters May 15th. Beat me there, bitch, because I'm gonna be front row. This is gonna be like a multi again. I saw the trailer and I'm in, so I can't wait to see it.
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B
Thank you.
- [61:32]
A
I hope you all go and see it as well. That is it for Fearist thoughts this week. I hope you enjoyed it, but I know that you did. All right, so go take a break, wash your husband, and I'll see you next week.