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Future U Podcast - The Pulse of Higher Ed
Hosted by Jeff Selingo, Michael Horn · EN
Jeff Selingo and Michael Horn discuss what’s next for higher education and talk with the newsmakers you want to hear from most. Find the latest news and insights into the current trends in higher ed on the Future U. Podcast.
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Season 9 Wrap-Up: Why Mission Matters More Than Ever
1w ago00:36:08Tap to summarizeIt’s a time of change in higher education. Jeff and Michael look back on what they learned over the course of this ninth season of Future U in a one-on-one discussion. They recap key moments and share their favorite episodes. And one theme keeps emerging: “it’s all about institutional mission.” Chapters 0:00 - Intro 1:08 - Many of Today’s Challenges Were Predicted 10 Years Ago 3:51 - Why Mission Is Key 4:56 - A ‘Ghost Town Campus’ 12:35 - Big Deficits at Colleges 13:47 - The Fire Sale on MBAs 17:05 - How to Restore Trust in Higher Ed 19:17 - The Many Software Vulnerabilities for Colleges 24:29 - How to Design the AI University 26:52 - Jeff’s Favorite Episode of Season 9 30:58 - Michael’s Favorite Episode of Season 9 33:11 - Thanks to the Podcast Team Relevant Links: “Season 9 Annual Listener Survey” - Help us prepare for next season “2026: The seismic shifts for transforming the future of higher education,” by Jeff Selingo, in The Chronicle of Higher Education “Sonoma State University is in crisis. Can a new president save it,” in The San Francisco Chronicle. “What happens when students let an economist pick their college?,” in Marketplace. “Harvard’s FAS Is Running a $365 Million Structural Deficit. The Problems Started Well Before Trump,” in The Harvard Crimson. “There is a Fire Sale on MBAs,” in The Wall Street Journal. “Report of the Committee on Trust in Higher Education,” by Yale University. “Designing the AI University,” by Jeff Selingo. “Leading Faculty in an AI Era,” by Jeff Selingo. "The Lie at the Center of Higher Education," by Melik Peter Khoury. Connect with Michael Horn: Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads Connect with Jeff Selingo: Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U: Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.
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Athletics Departments Have Become ‘Shadow Universities’
3w ago00:49:01Tap to summarizeThe college athletics arms race has created a complex financing puzzle for many institutions. That has led athletics departments to become a kind of ‘shadow university’ within their campuses, with their own systems and processes. And university leaders need to pay closer attention. For this episode, Jeff and Michael talk with Karen Weaver, an expert on the finances behind college athletics. Do colleges need a whole new board structure for sports? Chapters 0:00 - Introduction 1:35 - Why All College Leaders Should Care About College Athletics 4:14 - Introducing Our Guest, Karen Weaver 5:12 - What Are University Presidents and Board Members Missing About College Sports? 6:38 - How is the Transfer Portal Impacting Graduation Rates? 8:26 - Do Athletics Align With College Mission Statements? 9:51 - What Washington Should Do to Regulate College Sports 11:50 - What If College Sports Lost Tax-Exempt Status? 13:23 - How Women’s Sports and Olympic Sports Fit In? 16:20 - Do NCAA Classifications Work Anymore? 20:22 - Who Defines Success for College Sports? 20:53 - Is Athletics Worth It As a ‘Front Porch’ of the College? 22:08 - How Should College Athletics Be Reformed? 25:36 - The Growth of Club Sports 29:18 - Do We Know the ROI of College Athletics? 34:00 - Getting Beyond Football and Basketball 37:05 - Connecting Athletics to Work-Integrated Learning 40:05 - Why Are People ‘All In’ on College Athletics 40:59 - How Injuries Play a Role 42:48 - The Connection Between Research and Athletic Prestige 45:07 - Is a Whole New Governance Structure Needed for Athletics? 46:05 - Lightning Round with Karen Weaver Relevant Links: “Four quick thoughts on the Protect College Sports Act: aka a college sports bill you should actually pay attention to,” by Matt Brown in his Extra Points newsletter. “Sport Finance: Where the Money Comes From and Where the Money Goes,” by Karen Weaver. “Trustees and Presidents: A Podcast for University Leaders,” by Karen Weaver “Understanding College Athletics: What Campus Leaders Need to Know About College Sports,” by Karen Weaver “The Future of Elite Youth Sports Is Here—and It’s a Mess,” in The Wall Street Journal. “Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World,” by David Epstein.
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Higher Ed 101: Inside the Process of Closing a College
May 1900:59:20Tap to summarizeClosing down a college turns out to be a big job. For this episode, Jeff and Michael talk with a specialist on the complex and emotional process, Doug Moore. He shares all the things that college presidents and trustees should know—as well as surprising moments as he has helped colleges navigate finances, lawsuits, community impact, teach-outs, and more. And he explains why he sees signs of hundreds of college closures on the horizon. Relevant Links “The Looming College-Enrollment Death Spiral,” by Jeff Selingo in The Atlantic. “History auctioned as Iowa Wesleyan closes its doors,” in Homegrown Iowan. Chapters 0:00 - Intro 1:04 - The Surprising Complexity of Closing a College 3:00 - How a ‘College Closure’ Found that Profession 5:17 - How Do Colleges Find a Closer? 9:00 - Walking Through the Early Phases of Closing a Campus 14:53 - What Happens After the Final Graduation Ceremony? 18:55 - ‘Community Freebie Days’ 22:33 - What’s The Most Surprising Thing a Closing Campus Had to Auction Off? 26:12 - Warning Signs That a College Might Fail 28:19 - Why College Sports Can Shutter Colleges 30:26 - 400 Colleges Could Fail in the Next 10 Years 32:11 - 20 or 30 Colleges Could Close This Year 33:18 - Why Don’t More Colleges Merge? 35:00 - Is Anyone Buying Closed Colleges? 38:33 - The Emotional Toll of Closing a College 42:06 - Sponsor Break 42:35 - Did Higher Ed Build Too Many Colleges? 49:28 - What Is Emotionally Lost When Colleges Disappear? 51:43 - What Will Happen to All These Closed Campus Facilities? Connect with Michael Horn: Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads Connect with Jeff Selingo: Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U: Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.
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The College Where Funding Follows Students’ Earnings, Not Enrollment
May 500:42:28Tap to summarizeMost public colleges get state funding based on “seat time,” — how many students are sitting through classes. Over a decade ago, leaders at Texas State Technical College bet on an experimental funding model that ties state support to the employment outcomes of their graduates. For this episode, we hear from the architect of the unusual approach, Michael Bettersworth, the college’s vice chancellor and chief marketing officer. And Jeff and Michael explore the lessons that all types of colleges can take from rethinking funding models to better match their missions. This episode is made with support from Ascendium Education Group. Chapters 0:00 - Introduction 3:49 - A College That Only Gets Paid When Students Get Jobs 6:42 - How the Unusual Funding Model Started 9:49 - How Has the Funding Model Gone? 12:05 - Voters Approve Endowment for a Technical College 13:20 - A Quest to Better Map Skills Colleges Teach to Jobs 18:52 - The Importance of ‘Occupational Identity’ 21:17 - Should Other Types of Colleges Try This Funding Model? 23:40 - How Much Should Colleges Be Responsible For Student Employment Outcomes? 25:43 - How Is AI Changing the Conversation About Skills? 29:01 - Creating Incentives to Map Teaching to Jobs 31:20 - How Can We Know What Skills Are Actually Needed in Certain Jobs? 34:41 - Funding Models Should Match College Missions 39:58 - Lightning Round with Michael Bettersworth Relevant Links “If—” by Rudyard Kipling “Inventing a Job-Skills Machine,” by Rebecca Koenig in EdSurge “Taxonomies of Human Performance,” by Edwin A. Fleishman. “Marc Andreessen says AI layoffs are a farce: Companies are 75% overstaffed, and AI is the ‘silver bullet excuse’ to clean house,” in Fortune.
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Cutting Degrees That Don’t Add Value
Apr 2100:54:52Tap to summarizeThere’s a growing movement to make sure colleges offer ‘degrees of value,’ meaning that offerings lead to higher-paying jobs for graduates than if they hadn’t gone to college. Jeff and Michael talk to a key proponent of the idea, Harrison Keller, the president of the University of North Texas and former Commissioner of Higher Education in Texas. He talks about his experiments to redesign colleges to better match their offerings to the needs of the labor market. This episode is made with support from Ascendium Education Group. Relevant Links “Building a Talent Strong Texas,” strategic plan from Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board. “University launches regional partnership for Texas Talent Accelerator to meet industry demands,” in the North Texas Daily. “University of North Texas to cut more than 70 programs and minors to trim $45 million deficit,” in the Texas Tribune.“ Syracuse Drops 84 Majors Including Classics, Ceramics and Italian,” in The New York Times (gift link). Chapters 0:00 - Introduction 1:30 - A President Trying to Align Degrees to the Labor Market 3:43 - The Elevator Pitch for Ensuring ‘Credentials of Value’ 5:50 - Creating a ‘Hub’ to Analyze Fast-Changing Employment Landscape 9:04 - Is There a Danger of Training Students for Dying Jobs? 12:11 - What Programs at UNT Aren’t Working? 14:14 - What About Majors With Social Value That Don’t Pay Much? 17:21 - How Do State Funding Formulas Need to Change? 20:06 - How Do Universities Need to Change Their Structures? 23:32 - What Should Universities Do to Respond to AI? 28:07 - Sponsor Break 28:46 - Colleges Need to Do More to Connect Liberal Arts to Job Skills 33:14 - The Case for a More-Detailed Mapping of Liberal Arts Skills to Work 41:56 - A Move to Shorter Degree Offerings in Some Fields 45:33 - Eliminating Programs With Low Demand 50:40 - Lightning Round with Harrison Keller Connect with Michael Horn: Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads Connect with Jeff Selingo: Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U: Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.
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The University President Who Isn’t Afraid of Speaking Up
Apr 1400:43:09Tap to summarizeThese days colleges are under fire from the Trump administration and critics on multiple fronts. Dartmouth's president, Sian Beilock, is one of the few Ivy League presidents not getting hauled before Congress, though her approach has plenty of detractors. Jeff and Michael talked with Beilock about the purpose of college, and how to lead in this polarized and uncertain time. This episode is made with support from Ascendium Education Group. Relevant Links “It feels like there’s no jobs,” in The New York Times. “Dartmouth announces AI partnership with Anthropic, company accused of plagiarizing Dartmouth professors’ publications,” in The Dartmouth. “What an Ivy League Education Really Gets You,” in The Atlantic. Chapters 0:00 - Introduction 1:52 - An Up-and-Coming College President 4:17 - ‘Leading With Values’ 6:24 - The Choice to Be Outspoken in this Moment 7:16 - How Should We Think About the Modern College Presidency? 8:33 - How to Respond to Controversial World Events 10:00 - Why Does College Seem So Much Harder and Less Satisfying to Students Today? 12:24 - How Can Colleges Provide More Work Experience? 15:30 - Helping Students Learn Soft Skills 18:04 - What Role Should Colleges Play With AI? 20:15 - Do Students Need Colleges to Learn in an AI Era? 22:27 - How Should College Presidents Engage With Students? 24:53 - Should Highly-Selective Colleges Expand Their Classes 26:39 - Sponsor Break 27:24 - The Importance of Clarity of Mission 33:04 - How Should Colleges Talk About the Soft Skills They Teach? 35:20 - How Personal Stories Bleed Through in Leadership 37:10 - The Challenge of Presidents Forging Relationships With Students 40:27 - Lightning Round with Sian Beilock Connect with Michael Horn: Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads Connect with Jeff Selingo: Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U: Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.
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The Busts in Buildings, AI, and College Presidencies
Apr 700:40:11Tap to summarizeAs winter thaws and spring arrives, Jeff and Michael reflect on six big issues facing higher education. First up, why they think the campus building boom is over — and what comes next. They also discuss how AI is changing both higher ed and the world of work; what recent scandals involving college presidents mean for the sustainability of that job; and why the finances of college sports just don’t add up. This episode is made with support from Ascendium Education Group. Relevant Links: “From Building to Stewardship,” by Jeff Selingo. “Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence,” by Anthropic. “AI Isn’t Lightening Workloads. It’s Making Them More Intense,” in The Wall Street Journal. “2026 Survey of College and University Presidents,” in Inside Higher Ed. Chapters 0:00 - Intro 1:59 - The Campus Building Boom Is Over 4:30 - Moving to ‘Facilities Stewardship’ 12:47 - Is Higher Ed Too Negative About AI? 17:47 - ‘AI-Native Universities Will Be Pretty Disruptive’ 21:13 - Why the Cost of Acquiring Students Is Key 23:13 - New Report on How AI Is Changing Jobs 29:22 - What’s Happening With the University Presidency? 32:00 - New Survey of College Presidents 33:22 - Why the Finances of College Athletics Don’t Add Up Connect with Michael Horn: Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads Connect with Jeff Selingo: Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U: Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.
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The Sports Betting Madness on College Campuses
Mar 2400:45:38Tap to summarizeIt’s March Madness, a prime time for college sports – and for sports betting. Some two-thirds of college students now bet on sports, and the meteoric rise in popularity brings a mix of tough challenges for campus leaders. On this episode, Jeff and Michael talk with two officials from the NCAA, Clint Hangebrauck and Mark Hicks, to understand why a rise in student gambling could become “the next big public health crisis” for campuses. This episode is supported exclusively by Ascendium Education Group. Related Links “U.S. sports betting: Where all 50 states stand on online sports betting sites,” in CBS Sports. “Federal prosecutors charge 26 men with alleged conspiracy to manipulate college basketball games,” in The Athletic. Suspensions, arrests and lifetime bans: A timeline of sports betting scandals since the repeal of PASPA,” in ESPN. “NCAA won't allow pro sports betting by college athletes and staff amid gambling scandals,” in PBS NewsHour.“ ‘Is This Insider Information?’ The Prediction Market Bets Driving a Campus Frenzy,” in The Wall Street Journal. Chapters 0:00 - Sports Betting Is Suddenly Everywhere 2:10 - The Turning Point That Drove a Gambling Boom 3:11 - Scandals Threaten the Integrity of Games 3:53 - Why ‘Prop Bets’ Pose Threats for Athletes 4:44 - The NCAA’s Role and Introducing Our Guests 5:45 - Laying Out the Landscape of College Betting 8:37 - How Widespread Are Problems Related to Sports Betting? 12:07 - Why College Presidents Should Be Concerned About Gambling 15:56 - Which Sports or Schools Face the Biggest Impact of Sports Betting? 20:04 - Should Student Athletes Be Allowed to Bet on Pro Sports? 22:51 - What Should Colleges Do About Sports Betting? 25:15 - What Is the NCAA Doing to Protect Student Athletes? 29:40 - How NCAA Collaborates With Betting Companies 33:52 - What’s Next for Sports Betting? 36:42 - A Wake-Up Call to the Issue of Sports Betting 40:53 - Sports Betting Touches Many Parts of Campus Connect with Michael Horn: Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads Connect with Jeff Selingo: Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U: Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.
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How AI Could Transform, or Replace, the LMS
Mar 1000:38:55Tap to summarizeFor 30 years now, colleges have relied on the Learning Management System, or LMS, as a key portal for professors and students to teach and learn. It's a tool that has helped colleges adapt to online learning and bring digital tools to classroom teaching. But generative AI seems poised to disrupt the LMS. And it’s unclear whether the LMS will evolve—or be replaced altogether. For this episode, Jeff and Michael talk with a pioneer of the technology, Matthew Pittinsky, about the lessons of past moments of tech disruption like the smartphone and cloud computing and about what could be different this time. This episode is made with support from Ascendium Education Group. Relevant Links The LMS at 30: From Course Management to Learning Management (At Last), by Matthew Pittinsky in OnTech. LMS at 30 Part 2: Learning Management in the AI Era, by Matthew Pittinsky in OnTech. “Pygmalion in the Classroom: Teacher Expectation and Pupils' Intellectual Development,” by Robert Rosenthal and Lenore Jacobson “Two-Sigma Tutoring: Separating Science Fiction from Science Fact,” by Paul T. von Hippel in Education Next. Chapters 0:00 - Intro 1:34 - How the LMS Became Key Infrastructure at Colleges 3:04 - What Was the Sales Pitch When the LMS First Emerged? 5:15 - Why Blackboard Bought Up So Many Competitors 7:36 - AI Will Disrupt LMS Even Though Previous Tech Didn’t 10:57 - Could AI Can Bring ‘Hogwarts Magical Study Aids’? 12:22 - Is the LMS Needed In an Age of AI? 14:14 - Should LMS Providers Build Guardrails to Prevent Cheat-Bots? 18:25 - What Lessons From the Past Can Help Respond to AI? 19:52 - A New Leader at Blackboard 21:06 - Sponsor Break 22:00 - How Faculty Are Key to Change 28:03 - Why Change From AI Might Be Discipline-Specific 34:50 - Lightning Round With Matt Pittinsky Connect with Michael Horn: Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads Connect with Jeff Selingo: Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U: Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.
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Higher Ed 101: Tenure Explained
Mar 300:46:17Tap to summarizeTenure is a defining feature of U.S. higher education, but these days the practice is in decline and under attack by critics. On this episode, Jeff and Michael talk with Jacques Berlinerblau, a Georgetown University professor who has written extensively about the tenure system, for an explainer on its colorful origins as well as a look at the dramatic changes that seem to be coming. This episode is made with support from Ascendium Education Group. Chapters 0:00 - Intro 2:50 - The Colorful History of Tenure 8:14 - A Distinctly American System 9:14 - How Tenure Works 13:26 - What Is the Legal Nature of Tenure? 14:46 - Which Types of Colleges Use Tenure? 16:19 - Is Tenure Different in Different Disciplines? 18:52 - How Difficult Is It For Colleges to Dismiss a Tenured Faculty Member? 20:40 - Can Tenured Departments Be Eliminated for Lack of Student Demand? 22:57 - Complaints Against the Tenure System 24:43 - A Turning Point in the 1990s 31:43 - A Renewed Campaign to Erode Tenure 34:31 - How Professors Are Partly to Blame for Tenure’s Woes 37:33 - Will Only Elite Universities Keep Tenure? 38:49 - Are Younger Faculty As Excited About Tenure? 41:48 - What Can Professors Do in the Face of Tenure’s Erosion? Relevant Links: “1915 Declaration of Principles on Academic Freedom and Academic Tenure,” and a history of the American Association of University Professors. “1940 Statement of Principles on Academic Freedom and Tenure,” from the American Association of University Professors. "Professors Lay Dying: Selecting a College Amidst an Educational Crisis," by Jacques Berlinerblau “They’ve Been Scheming to Cut Tenure for Years. It’s Happening,” by Jacques Berlinerblau in The Chronicle of Higher Education. “Laboratories of Autocracy: A Wake-Up Call from Behind the Lines,” by David Pepper. “The War on Tenure,” by Deepa Das Acevedo Connect with Michael Horn: Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads Connect with Jeff Selingo: Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U: Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.
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