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George Gibbs 39x NFR judge sits down with us to talk the real ins and outs of Thomas & Mack.

In this episode, hosts Cheyenne and Maria sit down with special guest George Gibbs, a veteran official with an astonishing 39 NFRs under his belt. The trio pulls back the curtain on what truly goes into producing the biggest rodeo show of the year.

You’ll get the inside scoop on everything from the complexities of setting the official barrel pattern and maintaining the ground, to the unique challenges contestants face—like the infamous alleyway and the impact of arena setup on safety and performance. Together, they reminisce about iconic moments in barrel racing history, debate changes they'd love to see, and highlight how communication and collaboration are shaping the future of rodeo.

Whether you’re a lifelong fan, a couch jockey with strong opinions, or just curious about what happens behind the scenes at the NFR, this episode is packed with candid stories, expert insights, and a whole lot of rodeo passion.

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