Transcript

Max Kellerman (0:00)

5:00am I'm up with a crisp Celsius energy drink running 12 miles today. Grab a green juice, quick change and head to work. Meetings, workshops.

Rich Paul (0:09)

One more Celsius.

Max Kellerman (0:10)

No slowing down. Working late, but obviously still meeting the girls for a little dancing. Celsius Live Fit. Go grab a cold refreshing Celsius at your local retailer or locate now@celsius.com It's a Season 2 playoff race with TGL presented by SoFi Select Sunday at 9pm Eastern Jupiter Links versus Boston Common Golf Monday at 7pm Eastern Los Angeles Golf Club versus New York Golf Club Tuesday at 9pm Eastern the Bay Golf Club versus Jupiter Links. Keep up. It's Golf Watch on ESPN, ESPN2 and the ESPN app.

Rich Paul (0:49)

If you have to pick one. Yeah, for me it is Jay. Jay Z. Yeah, but not just because of the, not because of the accolades or anything like that. It's just the messaging that came within for me and me being to apply it, me being able to apply it to my everyday life and grow from that. Just that intel, I think, especially and the catalog too.

Max Kellerman (1:16)

Jay is taught, if you are a man who is ambitious and you are already into your 20s, like you're a grown up now, you listen to Jay and he's speaking a lot of wisdom, you know, a lot of wisdom. Beyond that, he like, I don't know. I wouldn't say my favorite Jay Z songs are among my very favorite songs. Like, I think some guys hit higher heights than him by a little. But I mean he if you do it for, what is it, 30 years, how many ridiculous. And every time it's a gem.

Rich Paul (1:52)

Yeah, but the key word you used was wisdom. You know, I think people push back on wisdom. That's why when I was young in front of my dad's store, although these people weren't doing great optically in their life, their life experience had so much wisdom within that a fool probably would walk past them, look down on them, keep going. But a very intelligent person would talk to them, talk to them about their life experience, about their struggles, about their highs. And you get to gain all that knowledge to carry on with you because obviously they've been on this earth longer than you. They seen more than you've seen. It's a lot that comes with that. I think people oftentimes look at what someone possesses and decides that I'm going to follow them or follow what they say because of what they are perceived to have from a materialistic perspective or trinket perspective. But that person may lack knowledge and wisdom and that's how most athletes get tricked. I'll be honest. You know, they're looking at what someone may possess. And in years before, definitely in my position from a. From a agent perspective, there was very few guys of representation that could take you back to their big house or they had the boat or they had a specific setup. So that caused a lot of. I would say that caused the ability to captivate the mindset. It didn't matter what you were saying, what you said, probably because people naturally. No merit to it. He got that.

Summary

Game Over with Max Kellerman and Rich Paul

Host: The Ringer
Episode: “Ant’s Heroics, Get Rich Quick Rumors, and More Emails”
Release Date: February 27, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of Game Over features Max Kellerman and Rich Paul unpacking major themes in sports and culture, focusing on Anthony Edwards’ clutch performance, the evolving face of the NBA, viral rumors about Rich Paul’s business future, and engaging with listener emails on everything from basketball awards to the 2011 NBA Finals. The conversation is fast, sharp, and moves fluidly from deep life reflections to on-court analysis, all imbued with the duo’s trademark candor and wit.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Wisdom, Ambition, and Social Media (00:49–07:00)

Jay-Z’s Influence:
- Rich Paul identifies Jay-Z as a personal hero, citing the wisdom in Jay’s music and how it influenced his life and business philosophy.
  - “It’s just the messaging that came within for me and me being able to apply it to my everyday life and grow from that.” — Rich Paul (00:49)
- Max echoes this, recognizing Jay-Z’s music as a guide for ambitious men in adulthood.
  - “If you are a man who is ambitious and you are already into your 20s, like you’re a grown up now, you listen to Jay and he’s speaking a lot of wisdom.” — Max Kellerman (01:16)
Wisdom Beyond Materialism:
- Rich reflects on learning from people with humble backgrounds, emphasizing the value of life experience over material possessions.
  - “A fool probably would walk past them, look down on them... But a very intelligent person would talk to them about their life experience, about their struggles, about their highs.” — Rich Paul (01:52)
- Both hosts criticize how materialism leads athletes astray, suggesting that wisdom often comes from unexpected, less flashy sources.
Social Media’s Impact:
- Max calls social media a "cigarette for the brain," reflecting on its addictive qualities and negative impact on attention spans and genuine human experience.
  - “It has totally destroyed my attention span, my dopamine reward system.” — Max Kellerman (05:46)
- Rich argues that social media prematurely fulfills people’s sense of accomplishment, reducing the drive for real achievement.
  - “It gives you this premature accomplishment of things... you’ve already fulfilled that feeling, that premature feeling.” — Rich Paul (06:06)
Maturity and Delayed Gratification:
- Max emphasizes the importance of delaying gratification as the ultimate sign of maturity.
  - “The number one thing correlated with maturity that shows maturity is delaying gratification.” — Max Kellerman (06:40)

2. NBA Headlines: Ant Edwards, Lakers, and League Parity (09:04–21:29)

Anthony Edwards’ Heroics (Ant-Man):
- The hosts break down Ant’s high-pressure three-pointer against the Clippers:
  - “He was smothered... Double teamed in the left corner... hits the three, yells at the head coach. That’s what I do.” — Max Kellerman / Rich Paul (09:13–09:36)
- Discussion centers on the balance between star power and smart team play. Max wants to see Edwards develop the wisdom to pass in such situations for long-term team success.
Modern NBA Parity & "Face of the League":
- Max observes that parity is at an all-time high: “the two best players... are both bigs, Jokic and Wemby,” and exciting young talent keeps emerging.
  - “The NBA is in that kind of position where you just watch Cade Cunningham do this. Damn. That’s the guy. Then Edwards does something. Then Wemby does something.” — Max Kellerman (16:47)
- Rich and Max agree modern NBA doesn’t have a clear singular star—it could be “someone different every night”—crediting the global expansion of basketball.
Depth and Role Players:
- Both praise today’s average NBA player:
  - “Your average player’s pretty good nowadays.” — Max Kellerman (19:02)
  - “The distance between that guy and the star has shrunk.” — Max Kellerman (20:23)
- Modern 3-and-D wings can look like stars in the right context.

3. Get Rich Quick? The Viral Rich Paul Ownership Rumors (31:17–41:44)

Eric Pincus Article & Billionaire Talk:
- Max brings up a viral article suggesting Rich Paul is poised to sell Klutch Sports and buy an NBA team in Vegas.
  - “How’d you leave your boy in the dark about this?” — Max Kellerman (31:44)
- Rich directly denies the rumor, playfully using a deck of cards to demonstrate no one can see his “hand” (business intentions).
  - “So what makes you think that Eric can?” — Rich Paul (38:31)
On NBA Ownership:
- Rich says he doesn't have the money (yet!) and wouldn’t target Vegas due to limited upside for investment.
  - “The Vegas team is going to cost you 10 billion. I wouldn’t want to pay 10 billion for a team.” — Rich Paul (34:43)
- He explains that for him, ownership would be about investing in both the team and the surrounding development—like what’s happening with the Hawks and Bucks.
Media Skepticism & Agency Competition:
- Rich theorizes that rumors may stem from rival agents hoping to undermine his recruiting.
  - “Every year around draft time, one of these type of articles comes out... you have to go into the homes of parents and you have to answer the question, ‘Are you gonna own a team?’” — Rich Paul (36:21)
- Max notes the upside: “If rival agents and journalists believe it’s plausible, that speaks volumes to Rich’s stature.”

4. Listener Emails: Awards, Kershaw, and the 2011 Finals (50:07–57:34)

Reimagining NBA Awards:
- Listeners suggest naming awards after greats (e.g., Sixth Man after Ginobili or Jamal Crawford). Both hosts debate legacy, with praise for Ginobili’s sixth man role.
  - “Ginobili is it. They made him a sixth man. And he could have started on any team.” — Rich Paul (51:24)
Clayton Kershaw & Legacy:
- Max calls Kershaw possibly the best regular-season pitcher but notes postseason shortcomings compared to legends like Koufax.
The Heat’s 2011 Finals Loss:
- Rich reflects on why Miami lost to Dallas, suggesting fatigue and that the loss was ultimately beneficial for LeBron’s evolution.
  - “This loss was preparing you for what’s coming next... Without that loss, you don’t get the 3-1 comeback.” — Rich Paul (54:23, 55:16)
- They discuss the growth and humility that sometimes comes from failure.
Idea: Custom Home Court Rules:
- A listener suggests letting NBA teams customize their home courts’ three-point lines, analogous to baseball stadium quirks.
  - Max finds the idea intriguing for competitive innovation; Rich prefers basketball’s foundational consistency.

Memorable Quotes & Standout Moments

On wisdom vs. possessions:
- “People oftentimes look at what someone possesses and decides that I’m going to follow them... But that person may lack knowledge and wisdom and that’s how most athletes get tricked.” — Rich Paul (01:52)
On Social Media:
- “It’s like a drug, man. It has the same effect on your brain as a drug.” — Max Kellerman (05:46)
On NBA Parity:
- “The league may be too good going forward for one individual... these guys are really good.” — Rich Paul (17:15)
On viral billionaire rumors:
- “But what I will say is, I haven’t talked to Eric Pincus. I don’t know where that article came from. There’s no truth or before.” — Rich Paul (32:21)
On growth from failure:
- “This loss was preparing you for what’s coming next.” — Rich Paul (54:23)
On Playing Cards/Business Moves:
- “Cards got backs on them for a reason. I don’t play cards like this [face up]... So what makes you think Eric can [see my hand]?” — Rich Paul (38:31)
On Legacy:
- “To come from people not even believing that you could even represent a player at all... All those things were said about us, by the way.” — Rich Paul (41:44)

Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:49–07:00 | Jay-Z’s wisdom, value of experience, money vs. meaning, and social media’s negative impact | | 09:04–14:47 | Ant Edwards’ clutch shot, star vs. team dynamics, player maturity | | 15:08–17:15 | Is Ant the NBA’s best? League parity, changing "face" of the league | | 19:02–20:23 | Rise of the “average” NBA player and shrinking star–role player gap | | 31:17–41:44 | “Get Rich Quick” rumors, Klutch Sports sale speculation, NBA ownership realities | | 50:07–52:54 | Listener emails: NBA awards, Kershaw’s legacy, what defines greatness | | 53:17–55:32 | 2011 Finals: Heat’s loss, LeBron’s growth, and humility | | 55:34–57:05 | Customizing NBA home courts, baseball analogies, protecting basketball’s traditions |

Tone, Style & Flow

Relaxed banter with sharp, often philosophical exchanges—always grounded in real NBA and life experience.
Rich Paul’s business acumen and grounded perspective shines, especially when debunking rumors and reflecting on humble origins.
Max is witty, quick to challenge Rich, and steers the conversation from big-picture culture to granular game analysis.
The hosts interact with listener emails with genuine curiosity and playful debate.

Final Takeaway

The episode offers an engaging journey through the intersection of sports wisdom, modern NBA dynamics, media scrutiny, and the business of basketball. Max and Rich seamlessly blend hot takes with real life lessons, reminding listeners that behind every game and rumor, there’s deep strategy, human growth, and the constant pursuit of meaning—not just wins or wealth.