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Game Over with Max Kellerman and Rich Paul
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Max Kellerman
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Rich Paul
How was your holiday?
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Max Kellerman
My Easter holiday?
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Rich Paul
Yes.
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Max Kellerman
I don't do an Easter holiday.
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Rich Paul
Right, that's true. That's true. You do Passover.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do a second do an Easter holiday. You don't do it. I do a secular Passover. So it's not religious. It's like cultural.
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Rich Paul
Easter was. Was one of my more fun holidays as a kid, though. Yeah.
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Max Kellerman
You paint the eggs and stuff like that.
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Rich Paul
Hide the eggs, paint the. Everybody go to church, get dressed up. Had to be fresh for Easter.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
You may have on a short tie, you know, my grandmother looking clean. Sunday school. Ms. Wheeler at Greater Friendship Baptist.
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Max Kellerman
Did you go to. How long did you go to Sunday school?
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Rich Paul
At Greater Friendship, you had to be there at 8 o' clock sharp. Ms. Willard and play.
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Max Kellerman
But I mean, how long did that last? How many years did that last?
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Rich Paul
I mean, I stopped going. I mean, when I stopped doing everything else.
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Max Kellerman
The first second you could stop. Yeah.
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Rich Paul
I think I was like 12.
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Max Kellerman
I stopped Sunday. I had stuff to do on Saturdays. Rich. When the cartoons were coming on. Yeah. You know, the cartoons were just hitting. I got to see like one of the early ones. It wasn't even good.
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Rich Paul
And then I'd have to go every now and then. I mean, the Sunday school thing stopped very early, right? Very early. But every now and then I would get up and go. Go to church sometimes. But I just like, like, just, just text me the sermon. Yeah, I'll read it myself.
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Max Kellerman
Could you put that in an email?
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Rich Paul
No, I'm saying I'll read it myself. Oh, no. Oh, back then, though. Just tell me what the sermon was today and I'll read it myself. Yeah, yeah, just give me, like, fax it to you back then, you know, just give me.
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Max Kellerman
Listen, I'm old enough to remember when the fax machine was like a miracle. A miracle. When the fax machine came out, I was like, oh, my God, I'm living in the future.
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Rich Paul
Yeah.
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Max Kellerman
Someone. It's like star Trek.
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Rich Paul
We didn't have a fax machine.
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Max Kellerman
I didn't have one either. I just. The existence of one.
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Rich Paul
Well, you had to plug up just the Internet. I always have to go over my cousin Marcus Paul's house, my Uncle Duke, for the. Because they had the Internet. I didn't have the Internet. They had the Internet. I had the Internet at school. In the.
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Max Kellerman
In the library was the first gaming console you had.
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Rich Paul
Oh, gaming console. Oh, we had the game Nintendo, Sega.
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Max Kellerman
See, so I'm old enough to remember when Atari. Yeah. Okay. Atari came out. That replaced, like, you know, like, oh, my God, you have an arcade in your house. But my mother is like, oh, it's bad for you. So I'm like, how? You know, my friend got the Atari. How do I get an Atari? It's the best thing ever. So they came out with a knockoff version called Intellivision. Right.
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Rich Paul
Never heard.
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Max Kellerman
I swear. I think it was called Intellivision. So. So. So I remember thinking, I bet you I could sell this to this lady, right? Like, ma, it's in television, right? It sounds like it's, like, more educational. She bought it. So I had the off brand Atari.
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Rich Paul
No, we had. Because my uncle Kevin and my uncle Lance, they were into that stuff. So we had it pretty much by osmosis.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah, Me.
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Rich Paul
But then my brother was more into gaming than I was not. I was not really a gaming person. I did play Mike Tyson Punch Out. I played double dribble, track and field. But my gaming stopped at Nintendo.
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Max Kellerman
I remember there was a Twin Donuts on 14th street, like, maybe 8th Avenue. Rich. They had the original punch out arcade game. Not Mike Tyson's Punch Out. There was, like, a green dude who was a grid, and you could see through him. And you go there with, like, let's say, $5 worth of quarters. Be there all day. All day. That was when I think of the happiest time of my life. That might have been it. That might have been where I peaked playing Punch out at Twin Donuts.
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Rich Paul
Times was a lot different then, and it was a lot to be. It was. You had very little, but it was a lot to be happy about, if that makes sense.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
Your wins were a lot smaller, Right? I mean, the smaller things, it just seemed like was a big. Big. Such a big deal.
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Max Kellerman
Of course.
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Rich Paul
And. Yeah. So the video game piece was something that.
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Max Kellerman
You ready to do this?
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Rich Paul
Honestly, I. I really enjoy. Yes.
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Max Kellerman
By the way, game over. Literally now. Game is over. We could talk.
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Rich Paul
Yes. Michigan is our national champions.
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Max Kellerman
We're getting into it, right? Now.
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Rich Paul
Yeah. Game over@Spotify.com game over.
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Max Kellerman
Max Kellerman and Rich Paul subscribe. See, I'm not going to say people can say subscribe.
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Rich Paul
I think we're doing a better job at subscribing.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah. Are we?
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Rich Paul
Yeah, I think so. I think so.
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Max Kellerman
No emails this show. We'll do it next.
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Rich Paul
Emails.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah, we got to just get in Spotify.
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Rich Paul
Subscribe. Yeah. It's late, but man, that was a really good game.
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Max Kellerman
Really good game. Let's do it.
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Rich Paul
Really good game.
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Max Kellerman
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Rich Paul
My biggest takeaway from the game today, Steadiness. Michigan was just steady all game. I think they're big. They were big. Their bigs played really well. But I would say my biggest takeaway was point guard play. Cadeau and the change of scenery is really weird because he was at North Carolina.
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Max Kellerman
Right.
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Rich Paul
Good player. But it just seems like at Michigan, at least the games I watched, especially these last few games, how important? Point guard play has always been important in college. It's important in any back period in college. Yeah, college, NBA, etc. But in college you don't have to be a pro to be a really good point guard. And you. But you. But in order for you to win
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Max Kellerman
in college, you need a really good college point guard.
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Rich Paul
Yeah, college point guard. And I saw him make some great reads. No, look, passes just. He just has a really good feel for the game. I know he's a little on the shorter side, but just as a guard, he's good man.
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Max Kellerman
They got great backcourt play and then they have the size. And when you look at the way Connecticut shot, it's because everything was rushed because they know that front court is so big.
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Rich Paul
Yes. And I'm telling you, McKinney, the freshman from Flint. Yeah, Flint Saginaw, Detroit. They just produce players. He's a pro. He's a pro.
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Max Kellerman
Let me tell you my big takeaway from that game. And it's really relates to the whole tournament. To me, when you think of the greatest college basketball teams of all time, people won't look at this Michigan team right away because they don't have the sex appeal that. Like when you think of. When you think of the running Rebels or you think of Christian Laettner, Duke team, or you think of some couple of those Kentucky squads.
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Rich Paul
96 or.
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Max Kellerman
I mean, you just had. You've had. Yeah. You've had certain squads that are dominant and they have stars. Right. This Michigan team, though, Rich, when you think about the run, they only lost three games all year.
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Rich Paul
Four. I think it was four.
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Max Kellerman
I thought it was three, but maybe. Anyway, very few. The point is that when you look at the run through the tournament, Rich, they smashed everybody. They. Of course they're gonna blow out Howard. Right? But then the reason it's so hard to win a national title is because early in a tournament, a team like St. Louis might upset you. St. Louis was very good this year. They beat the brakes off of St. Louis. The closest anyone came until tonight was Alabama, lost by 13. And then when they eventually get to really what I was calling the national title game. Cause the winner of that game, I thought would win the national title, Arizona. Which really, at least in the imagination of fans, those were the two teams this year.
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Rich Paul
Yes, they destroyed.
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Max Kellerman
Aaron. Destroyed them. So they have this run and they do this thing all tournament. They jump out to an early lead, as the joke goes, and then they slowly pull away, right? Like it's. Oh, my God, before you blink, they're up 7, 9, 11 points. And then it just keeps getting worse and worse. So they do all that on the way to the national title game, where they play a team that's won two out of the last three and feels to me like a team of destiny coming in. Because of the way they beat Duke, because of the fact, Hurley, they won two out of three because of how scrappy they were. They hung around, they, like Arizona was not. They couldn't meet the moment. You could see it. They couldn't meet the moment Connecticut did Connecticut, when it looked like Michigan was going to roll them, fought and clawed back. And even that, it didn't matter. They still won by three possessions by the end of the game, right. Like this Michigan team, there haven't been too many better, like, better runs through the tournament in okay. I'm not about UCLA with Wooden. I mean in recent years, last several decades.
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Rich Paul
Well, when you think about how to get there, it's tough because I think Dusty May. Congrats to coach Dusty May. By the way, how many?
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Max Kellerman
That's his. This is his second final four, but his first championship.
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Rich Paul
First championship. He's also a client of our coaches division. Just a really nice guy. Really nice guy.
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Max Kellerman
Everyone's a client.
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Rich Paul
No, when I think about the job they did in the portal.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
Both of these teams were very well coached teams.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
Very well coached, very prepared. The offense that, that Dan Hurley runs to get those shooters open, got guys moving, constantly moving. But when I think about Dusty May and what he did with this Michigan team starting in the portal, I saw the young man, Landenborg come on and say, you know, I came into. These guys were already here. They accepted me with open arms. That's an older player talking that way, right? Then when you look at the balance attack that he had, the freshman McKinney, the other big man that he had, Johnson, Mara, who did not play the way he played for Michigan, for ucla,
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Max Kellerman
he did not presence, I thought that was. He was key against Arizona and I know, listen, Michigan could get out and run his stuff, but because they had another 72 guy, right, like Kus was this weapon X against a lot of teams because he, he's in a mistake eraser.
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Rich Paul
They matched, they matched the sides at the center position for sure.
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Max Kellerman
And, and the way he alters the offense of the other team just by being on the floor. Even besides the block shots, everything with Connecticut was rushed because they knew he was there.
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Rich Paul
I feel like Mara bulked up a little bit.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah, just a little bit.
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Rich Paul
He, his timing got better.
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Max Kellerman
Excellent.
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Rich Paul
His timing got better for sure. His lateral, his lateral quickness got better. So what's misleading in a college season is Michigan loses to Wisconsin, they lose to Duke.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
They lose to a couple teams and that affects the rankings. So that affects your perception of the team. But if you really take a deeper look, they've been the best team all year. I know we said Arizona, but if you really take a deeper look, they've been the best team all year.
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Max Kellerman
The tournament, a lot of times end of the tournament, you're like, they won the championship, but I don't know that they're actually the best team. Michigan. That's why I say Michigan, like had an historically great run through the tournament. There is no doubt after the tournament that the best team won and you could run that tournament back again. And they're going to win that tournament again in a different bracket. Doesn't matter.
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Rich Paul
Different reasons. Michigan is really setting themselves up. And when you taste winning, one thing I can tell you, they have the people around that program that wants to continue winning. They're not satisfied in football or basketball. They're not satisfied. There's a gentleman who's very close to me. I love like an uncle to me named Nate Forbes, and he's all Michigan. All Michigan through and through. They want to win. Do you think they want to continue winning?
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Max Kellerman
Okay. This is only their second national title, actually. Right. But.
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Rich Paul
But they are in basketball.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
In basketball, they're still.
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Max Kellerman
Michigan's still a blue blood. Right. And part of. Part of the reason they don't have. It feels like they have three or four is because the Fab Five, who didn't actually wound up, but it feels like it's more than two now. Do you think there's a difference when it's two blue blood programs fighting for the national title? Right. Like when you have a UConn and a Michigan, it just. It feels more like when we're younger and those kind of teams were the ones.
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Rich Paul
I like a different term than blue blood. I like legacy brand.
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Max Kellerman
Sure.
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Rich Paul
Yeah. Michigan and UConn are legacy brands, especially in basketball. Michigan also in football. More in football than basketball. I am a little upset, though, Max, about this was an opportunity. I felt like this was an opportunity. If Michigan hasn't been back since 89, when I talked about, has college basketball lost his swag? This is a moment where you come to the table with whatever shoes was out. The hottest shoe was out of 89.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
Make those shoes for the kids.
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Max Kellerman
Oh, what with Dean. What was the big. In 89?
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Rich Paul
No, 89.
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Max Kellerman
89.
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Rich Paul
But they're sponsored by Brand Jordan. Whatever. Brand Jordan. Whatever Jordan.
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Max Kellerman
What was the Jordan brand. So that's. So the threes.
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Rich Paul
That has to be the.
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Max Kellerman
No, we're 87.88 were the threes. Right.
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Rich Paul
485, 85, 86. It had to be 88. The fours. Yeah, those.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
Michigan. They had. They have to make them.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah, I'm wearing them. These were 89.
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Rich Paul
Yeah, absolutely. You know what? Yeah, yeah, those was 89.
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Max Kellerman
No, because this is 82. That's what's.
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Rich Paul
I'm going tell you why I know those 89. Because in 89, I was in Miss TC class at Captain Arthur Roth. I had those for sure, though. The original ones came out and I got them out the Sears Roebuck book. The original ones. Stonewash Levi's. Those definitely came out in 89, but they had gray. They was that color with.
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Max Kellerman
See, this is one way I can make Rich jealous on this show.
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Rich Paul
You don't make me jealous.
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Max Kellerman
I'm a New Balance guy. You represent LeBron. But I don't. So the upside of not having a shoe deal is. I can rock the old shoe. You can rock whatever you want. J.
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Rich Paul
Listen, I'm on New Balance at this point in my life.
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Max Kellerman
You actually have your own shoe.
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Rich Paul
I do.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
But. But I am. I'm also a historian. It's okay. Yeah, that's okay. I'm not jealous. I like to see you get fly. There was once upon.
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Max Kellerman
Every time I do, you'll come back the next day. I mean, you came hard today, but. But every time I do, you'll do a little extra the next show.
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Rich Paul
No, no, that's not.
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Max Kellerman
I notice it.
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Rich Paul
We're both competitive. Yeah, but that's not the case. I like this Max.
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Max Kellerman
Okay.
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Rich Paul
This Max I like. Because you're not on linear tv.
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Max Kellerman
I had to be talked into it a little bit.
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Rich Paul
Yes, you did.
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Max Kellerman
Dean will be like, hey, you once wore those. But what I don't like is, you know the guy, the older guy who's still dressed. He thinks he's a teenager. I don't. I don't like. Michael always say, like, you call that
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Rich Paul
an unc in hell.
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Max Kellerman
Hello, fellow kids. Right.
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Rich Paul
You know, there's a Y in. Yeah, there's a in.
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Max Kellerman
I don't like that, but I can be convinced. Like, it doesn't take too much arm twisting to get me to put on some Jordans.
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Rich Paul
I think for certain moments.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
If you. Everyone.
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Max Kellerman
I'm not going to put on the tiger's eye or the. You know.
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Rich Paul
No, but everyone likes to have that feel that they once felt when they were young. A kid. Teenager when he was in high school. Those are your glory days, Max. Nothing wrong with that. But again, congratulations to Michigan. I have so many colleagues that graduated from Michigan. My man, Steve Ross, obviously, Michigan alum. Dan Silman, Michigan alum. Really great guys.
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Max Kellerman
And by the way, UConn played with real character. Like, the thing about. I want to say that the thing about Dan Hurley is a lot of times, if the coach is successful, the team will take on his personality. And going to three out of four national title games in this day and age. Yeah, he does great in the portal. I get all that. But the way they play again throughout the tournament, Michigan jumps out to an early lead and then starts pulling away. And that Happened to everyone, including Arizona. But UConn just on character, even though they had a horrible shooting night. They had a horrible shooting night, but just on the. On the. On the character of the team, they kept hitting back.
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Rich Paul
Yes. They're a Dan Hurley team, which I didn't expect anything different. What was really cool about this NCAA and Michigan's success. We saw the Fab Five, too.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
Fab Five was all back together. They did a sports cast, which I thought was pretty cool.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah. They just let me.
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Rich Paul
Again, the moments in college basketball.
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Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
That we had is that I had as a kid. You wasn't a kid. You was like. I think he was like 28, 29.
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Rich Paul
But we never going. That's just. Just great moments.
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Max Kellerman
So the reason I go back to UConn is something occurred to me. Even I was thinking, when lose this game, win or lose this game, there's something else that's interesting. Interesting that might be happening. You know, I love identifying these moments where people's perceptions change, but they don't even really realize it.
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Rich Paul
Yes.
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Max Kellerman
So I think we're in one of these moments right now. And it's a gray area when I think of UConn basketball because of Geno and the women for so long, one of the great dynasties ever in the history of American team sports. I think UConn basketball. I think the women first, I think. Right. Because of their success.
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Rich Paul
But.
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Max Kellerman
But something happened this year. Not only did Geno get beaten by his. Even though they didn't wind up winning the national title, I believe this year, when people think back to this year in the women's game, they're going to think of that as the national title game. Even though. Even though UCLA won. Right. South Carolina, Dawn Staley. Right. That's the chief rival to UConn. They didn't just beat him, they beat the hell out of him. And Geno kind of had a temper tantrum after the game.
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Rich Paul
He did.
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Max Kellerman
So that happened on the women's side. South Carolina seems to be ascending maybe past UConn ladies in the last handful of years at the same time that the men just went to three out of four finals and won two. So has the men's kind of Yukon brand caught or passed the women?
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Rich Paul
That's a good question. I don't think so quite yet.
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Max Kellerman
Right. Had they won, the answer would be yes, but they kind of like tied them. They're kind of neck and neck right now.
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Rich Paul
I'll give you that. In terms of obviously not championships, but in terms of relevance right now.
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Max Kellerman
Over the last dozen years.
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Rich Paul
Yes, yes. I mean, it's always going to be expedited in that regard. But I also want to say a shout out to my man, Peter Benedict. Peter Benedict is a colleague of mine. Great, great guy. Big time Michigan alumni. I saw him at lunch today and he goes, rich, what do you think tonight? Do we have a chance? I said, peter, congratulations. He said, you think? I said, yeah, he had his Michigan sweater on. I love to see stuff like that. Just a great guy, though, by the
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Max Kellerman
way, I said the same thing about in the NFL when, when the NFC Championship game, clearly to me was the Super Bowl.
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Rich Paul
Not.
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Max Kellerman
I'm not dissing the Patriots even as much as I like to do it, because I hate the Boston teams, but it was a Super bowl in the sense that those are the two best teams and they're playing each other. It just doesn't happen to be for the super bowl because they're in the same conference. That's how I felt about Michigan, Arizona. Even though in retrospect maybe UConn was better than Arizona because they. But in retrospect, maybe, but the winner of that game. I'm not like, oh, UConn doesn't have a chance. I'm saying those have been the two best teams all year.
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Rich Paul
Well, really, it was four really good teams in the Final Four. Illinois was really good. They were a really good team all year. I told you. I saw them play in person. But Michigan was the better team.
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Max Kellerman
Michigan was that. Yeah, they're the best team.
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Rich Paul
Dusty. Got to go out and do it again.
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Max Kellerman
Listen, as I say, not. I wouldn't even say half of the tournaments I watch, I think that the. Definitely the best team won. And if you did the tournament again, they would have won again. Right. There's some luck involved. There's. This is the, this is one of those years. Best team. You could run that back as many times as you want. Maybe Michigan's never losing that tournament.
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Rich Paul
They had a very balanced team in terms of positioning, age, experience, size, skill,
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Max Kellerman
set shoot, rich shooting. They hit two threes and it didn't matter. In today's basketball in today's day. And age variance on the three point shot will oftentimes determine single games.
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Rich Paul
Neither team.
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Max Kellerman
That's why the tournament's so dangerous. Best of seven. In the NBA, a team can have an off shooting night. That's why you see they blew him out. Even in a playoff series, they won by 20. Next night, they or next game, they
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Rich Paul
win by 20 and the team shot.
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Max Kellerman
Well, they didn't Shoot well. And it didn't matter for Michigan. They could beat you so many ways. They can get out and transition. They have the size on defense.
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Rich Paul
Does Michigan repeat or does you? Let me ask you this question. I need to quit saying that. I'm take that out the show.
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Max Kellerman
Okay?
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Rich Paul
I have a habit of saying. Let me ask you this question.
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Max Kellerman
All right?
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Rich Paul
I'm just going to ask the question.
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Max Kellerman
How about that?
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Rich Paul
Does Michigan Repeat or does UConn be back in the national championship?
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Max Kellerman
I think UConn has a better shot of getting back because. Because what? Because of Dan Hurley, man. Okay? He seems to have mastered the portal and he's a great coach.
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Rich Paul
All right.
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Rich Paul
Now.
- [24:52]
Max Kellerman
Let me ask you a question.
- [24:53]
Rich Paul
Sure.
- [24:54]
Max Kellerman
Do I say that too much?
- [24:56]
Rich Paul
No.
- [24:56]
Max Kellerman
Okay, then I can say it still.
- [24:58]
Rich Paul
Yes, you can.
- [24:59]
Max Kellerman
You've played it out, but I can still say it. Luca and Reeves both hurt.
- [25:05]
Rich Paul
Yes.
- [25:06]
Max Kellerman
Lakers season over.
- [25:08]
Rich Paul
Why would you ask me that question? Max.
- [25:10]
Max Kellerman
Ask me the question, Max. Yeah.
- [25:14]
Rich Paul
Luca and Reeves are injured. Luca seems to be out. It's trending that he's probably going to be out a lot longer than Austin will be. Where does that put the Lakers?
- [25:25]
Max Kellerman
Yes. Oh, sorry. They're done. Lakers finish. Done. Finish. Finito. Come on. What do. They lost their. They lost Luka and Reeves. What's LeBron going to do? Think of who LeBron is playing with right now. Who is LeBron? Can you tell me? I'm just. Okay. I could ask you this and you can answer this. Okay, Rich, this is not like it doesn't make you have every right to name.
- [25:48]
Rich Paul
Well, I have my agent hat on today.
- [25:50]
Max Kellerman
Yes, you do. Name the four starters that LeBron will be playing with. This is the playoff team.
- [25:56]
Rich Paul
Well, you'll get Marcus Smart back, so. Marcus Smart, I think you now have to start Canard because you had. Because if you're playing through LeBron, you have to have shooting on the floor
- [26:07]
Max Kellerman
and Canard's been shooting the lights. Laravia.
- [26:12]
Rich Paul
No, Aiden, Aiden.
- [26:14]
Max Kellerman
That sound like a team that's gonna win A playoffs. If LeBron would take teams like that, he'd drag them through a weak east, but it's still. He would drag them deep into the
- [26:24]
Rich Paul
playoffs, to the finals.
- [26:25]
Max Kellerman
In his prime. Yeah. He's 67 years old. What do you like. What's he supposed to do with these guys?
- [26:31]
Rich Paul
No, he can't. No, look, I don't think anybody's expecting that, but again, this is all season
- [26:41]
Max Kellerman
thing, so this is the danger of being top heavy too. Top heavy teams, especially nowadays with soft tissue injuries. Right. Top heavy teams sustain one injury and it's like, what are we going to do? Yeah. Let me tell you something. The Thunder, okay, they can't lose sga. Right. No one can lose their. And I guess the Lakers lost Luca. But the Thunder can still operate and win with an injury to a given player, as we saw with.
- [27:06]
Rich Paul
Yeah, but you talking about two different teams at two different timelines. One is at the beginning of trying to reposition themselves for the long haul and the other is in their prime of going for it. All right, so in fairness to the Lakers, they. They would never expect to be in this position. And at the same time, you can't expect the COVID to be full given the fact that you're trying to make decisions far out that allows you to look far out. So, you know, it's unfortunate timing, but
- [27:42]
Max Kellerman
the Thunder hat, as I always say, the 12th guy on the Thunder bench is a good basketball player.
- [27:47]
Rich Paul
Yes.
- [27:48]
Max Kellerman
And the 12th guy on the Lakers
- [27:49]
Rich Paul
bench, but those are two different timelines. I will say. I will say Jackson Hayes has been playing his ass off.
- [27:56]
Max Kellerman
Yeah. By the way. Kind of all year.
- [27:58]
Rich Paul
Jackson Hayes has. Jackson Hayes. When you talk about his.
- [28:02]
Max Kellerman
A guy starring in his role.
- [28:03]
Rich Paul
Yep, starring his role. But. But when he's locked in. When you talk about ability to set screens, row. He has pretty good hands. He finished without ever putting the ball in the.
- [28:12]
Max Kellerman
If deandre Ayton would have been playing like Jackson Hayes all year. The Laker, I mean, Lakers have a pretty good record, but they would have. They'd be better off yeah, he just.
- [28:21]
Rich Paul
That pocket pass to Jackson Hayes, he does a really good job of catching that pass and finishing. Eventually he evolved to be able to catch that pass and be able to spray to the corner just a little bit more. Prioritizing the art of screen setting. If he can get to a place to where he can get to a dribble handoff and make plays starting center, he had to bulk up a little bit. But with the way the bigs are going in our league, Jackson Hayes has a real opportunity.
- [28:52]
Max Kellerman
Give you 25 minutes.
- [28:54]
Rich Paul
He does because he also has the ability to. To switch off in screens. So like how Tristan used to be able to switch. If you can do that with him. He's long enough in terms of wingspan wise, he's agile enough. He has pretty quick feet. He played wide receiver at Cincinnati Molar. Yeah, which is.
- [29:14]
Max Kellerman
You could see that. You could see that in the way he moves around.
- [29:17]
Rich Paul
Yeah, but Cincinnati Molar is a real football school. You don't play wide receiver just because you're tall. You have to be able to play the coach, not Cincinnati Molar. That said a lot to me as a foot. He's a football player. So I think if, if you can. If this is where you. This is where you miss Gergaridge. It should be a. Tim Gurgurich used to send all the bigs to Gerd camp. And Gerg was someone who instilled the fundamentals in Biggs. And this where you miss a Gerg because Gerg. Take a guy like Jackson Hayes and when you get him back, different guy. Oh, yes.
- [29:57]
Max Kellerman
Yeah.
- [29:57]
Rich Paul
Oh, yes. Yeah, but so there is some bright spots. But you know, at the end of
- [30:03]
Max Kellerman
the day, we haven't been back on since obviously Saturday. Yeah, and Joker beats Wemby on a. Like on a last second shot.
- [30:14]
Rich Paul
Nuggets be dispersed.
- [30:15]
Max Kellerman
Yeah, but no, but Joker hits the game boxing over Wemby like. Like how did he hit that shot?
- [30:22]
Rich Paul
Yeah, but when you say Joker beat Wimby, this is where it's misleading. In barbershops and things like that, you get to arguing like it's a. It's a one on one individual sport.
- [30:34]
Max Kellerman
Yeah, but you know what, Rich?
- [30:36]
Rich Paul
What you mean, how do you get shot? Fade away. He's seven feet. But that's the crazy. He shoots from the top of his jump shot. There's release.
- [30:44]
Max Kellerman
So if not, if Wemby can't guard that, then the only question is whether it goes in or not. In other words, the history of basketball is helpless against that shot from Joker. The only thing they can do is hope it doesn't go in.
- [30:58]
Rich Paul
Well, here's the.
- [30:59]
Max Kellerman
It's almost like the Kareem Skyhook. There's nothing you could really do if Wemby, who's 7 foot million with his arms outreached in a big moment, can't put his hands on the ball.
- [31:10]
Rich Paul
Yeah, but you have to slow the tape down, Max. If you slow that tape down. Joker's so good with his body and all he need is to be able to bump you. He's spinning in the opposite direction. And as he's spinning, he's also fading. So now your body's going that way. His body's going this the opposite way. He's also fading. He's also. He's not like he's 5 11.
- [31:38]
Max Kellerman
No.
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Rich Paul
He's also 7ft too. And he's also releasing the ball from the top of his jump shot while fading. And he's one of the better big mans in our. Well, not even one of the better. He's probably the best guy at that size with touch.
- [31:55]
Max Kellerman
Offensively, he's the most skilled big man ever. Offensively, when you talk, you can run
- [32:02]
Rich Paul
the will have something to say about that.
- [32:03]
Max Kellerman
Who?
- [32:04]
Rich Paul
I think Wimby will have something to say about that at a certain point.
- [32:07]
Max Kellerman
Yeah, but Wendy's not exactly a big man.
- [32:10]
Rich Paul
That's fair.
- [32:11]
Max Kellerman
Wendy's like a three.
- [32:12]
Rich Paul
But a healthy Joel Embiid will also have.
- [32:14]
Max Kellerman
But he can't control the whole game like Joker. Joker. Joker is opponent. Joker's like Sabonis and I. I mean the daddy in his prime. But. And he can also shoot and he's. And he can handle.
- [32:28]
Rich Paul
And he like Joker's really good. Don't get me wrong. The four guys I've ever seen Joel Embi a healthy. When a healthy Joel Embi Max is so skilled.
- [32:41]
Max Kellerman
The difference is. The difference is. And we saw this like with Luka.
- [32:45]
Rich Paul
Health matters, man.
- [32:45]
Max Kellerman
With Luka and Kawhi offensively.
- [32:48]
Rich Paul
Yeah.
- [32:48]
Max Kellerman
When one guy can control the whole offense and the other guy is a scorer who can like Kawhi. You can run your offense through him. You'd probably rather not, but you can feed him and stuff. Right? That's Embiid would be the Kawhi in that situation. Joker is like Luca where he is the whole offense because he's kind of your point guard, your center. He's everything he's. And also not the ball doesn't disappear with into him.
- [33:15]
Rich Paul
He's there's only moving it around separated the two in terms of not only one Thing. But the biggest thing that separates the two, it's not skill set.
- [33:23]
Max Kellerman
His health.
- [33:25]
Rich Paul
Well, outside of health. Joker's willingness to make the basketball play the right basketball play. Joker's going to pass that ball. Well, Embiid is just a net. He wants to score it more. Joker's willingness.
- [33:40]
Max Kellerman
Joker's also a genius. He's like when I think Embiid is not a basketball. Like when I think of the four. I talked about this on the last pod, the four players I've ever seen. And by the way, I'll take Magic out of it because he didn't shoot as well as the other guys. So the three players where that's a whole offense, they do everything you need them to do was Bird, LeBron, Joker, right? The IQs are through the roof. The passing is ridiculous. They can shoot. I mean, LeBron got to be a good shooter from certain parts, from certain, like, points on the three point arc, right? Like he, he became a guy who at times shoot 37, 38% from, from
- [34:22]
Rich Paul
spots, I think, because I, I, I watch a lot of these videos. I'm jaded because I was there in the flesh.
- [34:32]
Max Kellerman
Yeah.
- [34:34]
Rich Paul
When you play that tape back, you might need dentures. Your teeth gonna fall out your mouth.
- [34:43]
Max Kellerman
Which tape?
- [34:44]
Rich Paul
LeBron's.
- [34:45]
Max Kellerman
Yeah.
- [34:45]
Rich Paul
You're gonna be in that much all max. Listen, we'll get you a denting.
- [34:49]
Max Kellerman
I remember, Rich, I remember when everyone was talking about what KD was doing on the warriors, and he was going off, he had some crazy stat lines, right? I mean, and, but I was like, hold on, everybody. He was just on a much better team than LeBron. As good as LeBron's team was, he was with Steph and Clay and Dre. It's too much.
- [35:05]
Rich Paul
KD and the warriors was phenomenal.
- [35:07]
Max Kellerman
So I post, I tweeted LeBron's best. I tweeted like nine incredible stat lines, 43 points and 11 assists and eight boards, whatever it was, right? And there were like nine games like that. And the first one I put was KD's that night. And I said the rest are LeBron in this, in these playoffs. LeBron had absurd runs.
- [35:32]
Rich Paul
I'll be playing four years.
- [35:34]
Max Kellerman
You don't have to sell me on that.
- [35:35]
Rich Paul
No, I'm not selling, but I'm saying I hope he played four more years and we don't see this tape to another 10 years. But not to make the. We can move on.
- [35:42]
Max Kellerman
But, but I'm saying, like, those are the three guys I've seen and you can include Magic too. Because Magic was. Could do your whole offense.
- [35:47]
Rich Paul
Don't you ever take Magic out of a list.
- [35:49]
Max Kellerman
He just didn't shoot it as well as those guys.
- [35:50]
Rich Paul
I wouldn't care.
- [35:51]
Max Kellerman
Yeah, I agree with you, Magic. Those are the four, like, including Magic because he was a basket. Those are the four guys you've seen that's a basketball genius. And he's taller than 6 foot 7 or 8. And it's just impossible. Joker's one of those guys.
- [36:06]
Rich Paul
You don't listen. You don't hear me complaining about Joker. Joker is probably every night the smartest basketball player on the floor.
- [36:14]
Max Kellerman
Right?
- [36:16]
Rich Paul
I mean, he's probably the best player on the floor every night too. Now, not just the smartest, the best.
- [36:21]
Max Kellerman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty much. Unless he's playing actually. Even when he played Wemby recently.
- [36:25]
Rich Paul
But that'll be a good matchup for years to come. As well as others. I think what Wemby's doing is going to inspire.
- [36:32]
Max Kellerman
Got to see how he is physically. Big.
- [36:34]
Rich Paul
I know he got hurt tonight.
- [36:37]
Max Kellerman
Yeah. Playing Embiid.
- [36:39]
Rich Paul
Didn't see. Knowing San Antonio precautionary. There's no need to go back out there.
- [36:44]
Max Kellerman
By the way, San Antonio still won. And Castle went off.
- [36:48]
Rich Paul
I mean, San Antonio has a good team.
- [36:50]
Max Kellerman
Great team.
- [36:50]
Rich Paul
Yeah.
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- [38:20]
Max Kellerman
The Bulls fired their entire front office.
- [38:24]
Rich Paul
Yeah.
- [38:24]
Max Kellerman
What does that tell you?
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Rich Paul
That's always tough, you know, when you work.
- [38:28]
Max Kellerman
By the way, who even does that? If the whole front office is gone, who's filing? There's no one left to fire. You gotta, you gotta do that in the right order or no one can get fired.
- [38:36]
Rich Paul
They have a couple guys there that's just managing things right now.
- [38:39]
Max Kellerman
The GM's gotta fire himself at the end of the day.
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Rich Paul
In my position is always tough because you never want to see somebody lose their job. We work with these guys. Yeah. So you know, this is why I talk about the draft. The draft is so hard. It is, it is to hit. To hit in the draft. First of all, you have to get the right slot. The guy has to actually be available. Then when you draft that guy, you're drafting a young player coming in that you hope. Hope that you're hoping has a complete understanding of what they're being assigned to do and become. You have a very challenging position in front of you because you only get these guys from 10 o' clock to in most cases they're flying out the practice facility.
- [39:38]
Max Kellerman
Facility.
- [39:39]
Rich Paul
Probably one o'. Clock. Probably shouldn't leave to three o' clock really. But then you have to bank on them to go home and practice those professional habits also while being at home. Then you have to hope and pray that the people around them are saying the things. That actually is an addition to what you're getting, what you're planning, not a distraction to it.
- [40:10]
Max Kellerman
So that might be a good game to play. Addition or distraction instead of subtraction, huh?
- [40:13]
Rich Paul
Oh, that'd be great. Yeah, we should. For game over.
- [40:16]
Max Kellerman
Let me ask something. So are the spurs and Celtics praying harder than the other teams? Because they seem to hit in the draft. When they have a really high pick, they get franchise level players. And when they have lower picks, they get useful players.
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Rich Paul
Yes.
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- [40:30]
Max Kellerman
Like I think that's, that's the difference. When we were talking about the worst NBA drafts of trades of all time. I won't include the Garnett trade or the biggest rip offs. The Garnett trade. When they got the draft picks, when Danny Ainge got the draft picks. Because yeah, those are draft picks. But as I said, the Sixers drafted Markel Fultz, right?
- [40:54]
Rich Paul
Yes, they did.
- [40:55]
Max Kellerman
Right. The Celtics drafted Jason Tatum. In retrospect, you can say, oh, it's obvious. No, it's not obvious at the time to everyone.
- [41:02]
Rich Paul
Tatum went three in that draft.
- [41:03]
Max Kellerman
It's obvious to the Celtics. It's obvious to the spurs. They have better talent evaluation.
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Rich Paul
The Bulls actually hit a few times. They hit.
- [41:13]
Max Kellerman
No, I know some people on the
- [41:15]
Rich Paul
like, no, they hit on Derrick Rose.
- [41:17]
Max Kellerman
Real good people.
- [41:18]
Rich Paul
They hit on Jay Will actually, too. It just, you know, both unfortunate things transpire. But in terms of the actual player. Hold on.
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Max Kellerman
Which J Will.
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Rich Paul
Jay Will.
- [41:30]
Max Kellerman
The J Will that I did a radio show with. Jay Will.
- [41:33]
Rich Paul
Yes. Yeah.
- [41:34]
Max Kellerman
But even then. And Jay will tell you this, like, Jay Will is a. He's not a triangle player. You know, like, if you do draft J Will, then change the system or else draft someone else.
- [41:47]
Rich Paul
Yes, you have to. Well, you have to. You have to recognize that part. I'm not going too much in depth, but here's what I'll say about the Bulls. I feel the same way about the Bulls as I feel about the Bears.
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Max Kellerman
Okay.
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Rich Paul
If you can get it right.
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Max Kellerman
Both from Chicago.
- [42:03]
Rich Paul
Yes.
- [42:03]
Max Kellerman
That's how I feel about.
- [42:04]
Rich Paul
Yeah, well, besides that, smart ass, if you could get it right.
- [42:09]
Max Kellerman
Yeah.
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Rich Paul
The Bulls, in terms of a brand from a team perspective.
- [42:16]
Max Kellerman
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Rich Paul
Best logo, best colors, best position.
- [42:20]
Max Kellerman
MJ got all the chips.
- [42:22]
Rich Paul
Derrick Rose, the only team that can align MJ's legacy when winning to it or just in general to it.
- [42:32]
Max Kellerman
Chicago thought you could have been Jordan found out you wasn't even Ben Gordon. Come on.
- [42:37]
Rich Paul
Chicago is, from a marketing perspective, like a media market is pretty big, right?
- [42:45]
Max Kellerman
Fortune 500, biggest market in the country.
- [42:47]
Rich Paul
Fortune 500 companies in terms of flights, it's a hub. Two airports.
- [42:55]
Max Kellerman
O' Hare is a hub.
- [42:56]
Rich Paul
O' Hare is a hub. You can get anywhere in the world from Chicago. When you talk about the brand of
- [43:03]
Max Kellerman
the Chicago Bulls, also when they're big, they can represent. You have the coastal cities, you have New York and la. And even though they're the third market, because they're in the middle of the country, they can represent the whole middle of the country.
- [43:15]
Rich Paul
Yes. And they have an authentic, authentic fan base.
- [43:21]
Max Kellerman
No question.
- [43:22]
Rich Paul
Very authentic. So the Bulls.
- [43:25]
Max Kellerman
But that's more for the Bears than anything.
- [43:28]
Rich Paul
Well, I always say, like when they say that the Cowboys is America's team, the Bear, the Bears are culture's team. The Bears get good from that logo. They're just a cool.
- [43:40]
Max Kellerman
Let me tell you some teams, the 85 Bears were so gangster that, that what you're saying is still true. And it's really good. At 85 Bears, it's because one team went really like who's the greatest football team of all time? There was one team that was so dominant that it's now 41 years later and you're still feeling that team. Which is why you're saying what you're saying.
- [44:03]
Rich Paul
Yes. And same way with the Bulls. If you had your choice.
- [44:06]
Max Kellerman
Yeah.
- [44:06]
Rich Paul
Of a jacket, a starter jacket or zip up starter jacket or the actual satin starter jacket. If you had your choice and there's a black Bulls there, you, you're picking that over most outside of your. Your personal New York Knicks favorites. But you talking about black versus blue or black versus orange. It's just going to go with it. Every signature shoe that comes out black, red and white. Just a very natural thing. Yeah. The Scully, that bull on the front of it.
- [44:36]
Max Kellerman
You ever see the world not out of the prism of. Out of business.
- [44:40]
Rich Paul
No.
- [44:40]
Max Kellerman
Everything is run through the.
- [44:42]
Rich Paul
Everything is through the business, through the
- [44:43]
Max Kellerman
prism of the lens of business.
- [44:45]
Rich Paul
So I say all that to say whoever they decide to hire.
- [44:48]
Max Kellerman
Yeah.
- [44:49]
Rich Paul
It's the potential of, of representing the Bulls is an unbelievable job and if they could ever get it right. Because the Ryan's, you know, Michael Reinsdorf is great. If. If I don't know Jerry that well. I do know Michael. It's just a, it's just. I just think it's just a great brand, man. So. And the NBA is better when the Bulls is winning or the Bulls are in the playoffs.
- [45:17]
Max Kellerman
Yeah. Well, I mean especially since the Knicks and the Lakers are pretty good nowadays. It helped to have the Bulls really good.
- [45:24]
Rich Paul
Absolutely. So. So no, I cannot stop thinking from a business perspective.
- [45:29]
Max Kellerman
No. Good.
- [45:30]
Rich Paul
That's just how it works. Sorry.
- [45:32]
Max Kellerman
Well, you do have your agent hat on.
- [45:34]
Rich Paul
I do have my agent hat on, but that's my CEO hat.
- [45:37]
Max Kellerman
I don't know. I mean, I think we've kind of exhausted the topics just then. Let's, let's hold off on the email Wednesday. Yeah. Because we just had to. We got, we had to do this after the championship game.
- [45:48]
Rich Paul
Yeah, I know.
- [45:48]
Max Kellerman
So we could have our fresh reactions. My big take is that's one of the all time great college basketball teams. Like that's top half dozen in my lifetime that I've seen because there's no doubt, no doubt they were the best team in the.
- [46:05]
Rich Paul
And I know he wasn't supposed to have a get rich quick.
- [46:07]
Max Kellerman
Yeah.
- [46:07]
Rich Paul
But I just thought of one.
- [46:08]
Max Kellerman
Go ahead.
- [46:09]
Rich Paul
Guard play matters. Yeah, guard play matters.
- [46:14]
Max Kellerman
And this applies to the NBA, too. If you have a playmaking guard and a defensive big, you're in every game. Like, you're immediately competitive as much as the league changed, like, oh, the stretch four and this and that. But actually, some things stay the same. Playmaking guard, defensive big, it's going to be a problem.
- [46:38]
Rich Paul
Speaking of guards, did you see Steph last night? Yeah, the man just rolls out of bed and makes.
- [46:44]
Max Kellerman
Unbelievable. I don't even want to bring it up, though, because I'll be called a hater.
- [46:48]
Rich Paul
Don't bring it up. You know what? On that note, we're going to end the show. We're ending the show, Max. We're in the show. It's a good show. Yeah, Good show. Yeah. See you tomorrow for sure.
- [47:01]
Max Kellerman
Or Wednesday.
- [47:03]
Rich Paul
Oh, damn.
- [47:03]
Max Kellerman
Yeah, yeah, Wednesday. It's just late. Feels like it's tomorrow.
- [47:07]
Rich Paul
Exactly.
- [47:07]
Max Kellerman
Yeah.
- [47:08]
Rich Paul
See you on Wednesday.
- [47:08]
Max Kellerman
I'll see you Wednesday.
- [47:09]
Rich Paul
I'll bring donuts.
- [47:10]
Max Kellerman
Oh, really?
- [47:11]
Rich Paul
Yeah.
- [47:12]
Max Kellerman
Don't even. I had that one bite of that donut because that sugar is like crack. You, man, you. You have this. You remember that Chris Rock thing where he's saying, when you see. When you see the Krispy Kreme, it's exactly right. Like, up the. Like a fiend.
- [47:27]
Rich Paul
I brought my man Peter Brotman to the show tonight.
- [47:29]
Max Kellerman
Oh, yeah?
- [47:30]
Rich Paul
Yeah. Good guy. You should meet him.
- [47:32]
Max Kellerman
All right, we'll do it right now.
- [47:33]
Rich Paul
Don't cost you, though. I'm just. I'm letting you know ahead of time. You go to spend some money, but
- [47:38]
Max Kellerman
every time you introduce me to someone, it cost me money.
- [47:41]
Rich Paul
Well, this is an investment. You'd be fine. Trust me.
- [47:43]
Max Kellerman
You'd be good. All right, I'll see you on Wednesday.
- [47:45]
Rich Paul
See you on Wednesday.
- [47:48]
Max Kellerman
Game over with Max Kellerman and Rich Paul.
- [47:50]
Rich Paul
We game over@Spotify.com.
- [47:52]
Max Kellerman
yeah, now we'll see you Wednesday. Yeah, now you'll see. We were not gonna see you. You're gonna see us Wednesday.
- [47:57]
Rich Paul
Have the emails ready, please.
- [47:59]
Max Kellerman
Yeah, yeah, we'll do emails.
- [48:00]
Rich Paul
Short one to two sentences.
- [48:02]
Max Kellerman
Yeah, yeah, right. By the way. By the way, one of the reasons I didn't want to do the emails tonight is every email we're getting, it's.
- [48:09]
Rich Paul
It's a.
- [48:09]
Max Kellerman
No, it's War and Peace. Just ask. Make a statement. Ask a question. It's short.
- [48:14]
Rich Paul
But at the same time, Max, people are excited to ask the question and we're. You know what? You started that because you said you would shout them out. So if they're getting to shout out.
- [48:23]
Max Kellerman
Okay, I'm going to shout out if you want to get your emails on short and sweet to the point.
- [48:27]
Rich Paul
And you're going to shout them out. Yeah, yeah, perfect.
- [48:30]
Max Kellerman
But if you send us paragraphs and paragraphs. No.
- [48:33]
Rich Paul
Okay.
- [48:33]
Max Kellerman
Because now I gotta edit the emails. Okay, we can use this part, not that part.
- [48:38]
Rich Paul
He has those. I'm the cool uncle. Do whatever you want to do.
- [48:41]
Max Kellerman
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