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Somewhere out there is a Chevy truck and the person who drives it, well, that's a Chevy person. You probably know one, your buddy, your sister. Ones who always show up. They're the first to rise, the last to leave. They always have that little extra something and maybe you've got it too. Chevrolet together. Let's drive. Visit chevy.com trucks to explore the lineup. So you're just getting back from New York? So am I as a matter of fact, Max. Yeah.
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Great time in New York. I'm telling you. Everybody from everywhere was there.
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It was just that it was Jay Z fanatics.
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Yeah, but obviously. Yes, obviously that. But I'm talking about across the board, the highest level, like the Jay Z's of the world. Great. And we had a great time at Fanatics Fest. I was there. They put up. They put a real 4040 club inside of Fanatics Fest, which was great. We hung there last year. It's great.
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Yeah, I was there on Saturday.
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Yeah. But like I'm talking C suite executives global, not just from LA or New York or Texas or whatever. Talent from athlete to entertainer. Now you have to add influencer globally to fan engagement. I mean, and the World cup, it was just like one of those is probably the best I've seen New York City, like energy wise, it's the best I've seen New York since the heydays of like one Oak and Avenue.
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Except that the Canadian fires, first you couldn't go outside and then it started to rain. And when I say rain, I mean like the streets were flooded and it's dirty rain because. Because of all the smoke in the air. That kind of ruined it for me.
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Didn't stop anything for me.
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Yeah, it ruined it for me. I didn't want to go outside. Oh, deal with it.
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We were outside. We're having a good time.
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Yeah.
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But it was like. And again, you would think, oh, going to the World cup game is going to be a disaster. Wasn't people. Some people got there in two hours. We got there in 35 minutes.
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You take the clutch helicopter.
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No, no, we were actually, we actually piled up in one car. Like we were going to Geauga Lake back in the day.
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People should see a clutch. It's like, it's like the X Men where the helicopter, the jet comes out of the ground. You go to, you go to clutch offices and this thing opens up in the ground and this little helicopter. You have a choice. A helicopter jet.
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Hey, listen, motorcycle. It was great. And the World cup game was great. I was in the New Balance Suite. It was fantastic. Obviously, the gang was the game. The halftime show was the halftime show. But the.
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When are they going to wrap that up? World cup, who's going to win, do you think?
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You know, the disdain you have for the World cup is like mine for baseball. It's like every time you go to talk of baseball, I cringe. But the World Cup.
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Yeah, the World Cup. When everyone's acting all excited about it, I think it's got to be. They're not really excited. Like, there's no way. That's just nationalism. There's no way you're watching that going, oh, my God, this is the most exciting actual sport.
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And again, I'm like that about baseball for a year and a half, up until. Until the playoffs. I love base playoff baseball. Baseball in October, forget about.
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Yeah, there's too much inventory.
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But I did want to go see the Dodgers and the Yankees play in New York, but it got rained out.
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I was going, thank God the Yankees at least got one from the Dodgers.
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Yeah, I. I was going. I was going to that game, but
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Jazz with the home run, but everywhere. But he won the second half of the doubleheader.
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Everywhere was nice. You know, the best thing about it is it was a time to put some real clothes on and have a good time. And, you know, I really enjoyed myself. I really did. I really did.
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You didn't have time to wind your
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watch on, you know, that's a pet. I can't. It's hard for me to wear a watch that.
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It's one of the things that happens.
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And the time is a set.
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I hate that the clutch compound is not only does the open up in the jet, but then the watch collection comes out, so you can decide. So like Bruce Wayne, you're walking through
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the place and so there's a lot to unpack, though. Max, let's start the show.
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All right, you ready?
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But it was a good weekend in New York. So good.
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We're getting two emails and voicemails today.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Okay, let's get to them. 424-240-8341. That's the number for the voicemails. I'm gonna. We have to demonstrate to people, get them conditioned again. We're gonna play your voicemail. We're going to read some emails.
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Yeah. Gameover, Spotify.com.
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and now we're going to start the show.
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Yeah, start the show,
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Rich. We have to start with LeBron. Until LeBron makes his decision, people just need their updates.
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Why do we have to. We don't have to do. This thing is our show. We don't have to do nothing.
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People are going to come to this show. Like, usually they have to listen to an insider for a little tip. But everyone, it's public. Everyone's calling you Pat Riley today. I saw the clip from LeBatard. They're releasing clips from his interview with Pat Riley. And Pat Riley ends the little clip. I see.
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Dan Levatar is good, by the way.
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Yeah, Dan's great. Yeah, of course. And that's my guy. But at the end of the clip, Pat Riley ends it by saying, look, I'm not calling Rich every day bugging him about what LeBron's gonna do. I mean, so. But this is the thing. Like, there's no getting around the fact that people right now are curious about LeBron.
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Well, let me say. Let me say this. I won't get into what's the latest, but let me say this. Pat's not doing that, but neither is no one else. And it's not because there's not a want. It's because I'm telling them, you don't have to do that.
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He hasn't made his mind yet.
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You don't need what people are trying to perceive to put out there on all these other shows. And you got the older guys saying what they think. No one. I'll say it again, none of these people know anything. Nobody knows nothing. And I say that respectfully because we haven't made it to where anybody knows anything.
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But let me take your temperature on something.
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Sure. But no, let me finish first. Let me finish. So I think it's important for people to understand we're not making this about attention and a spectacle. It's not about a decision or anything like that. He has a choice to make. He has a business choice to make. We're not going to sit here and decide or allow someone else to decide when he makes that decision or that choice. It's a business choice that he's making. And I think as an athlete, why is it that an athlete has to rush his choice?
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Okay, I want to answer that business perspective.
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From a business perspective, you are making a choice between jobs, high level jobs, and you have the. And you've earned the right. You're a big time executive. That's with an unbelievable, arguably the best resume in the history of your job. Who's rushing you? Okay, nobody.
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Hold on, let me, Let me make a statement about that. And I want to get your take. On the one hand, you're absolutely right. It's not. I Mean, it is his fault in a way, but LeBron is still achieving at such a high level that the league is kind of stuck until he makes a decision. But it is his decision to make. He's entitled to take as long as he wants.
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On the one, I'm using the word choice because. I want to use the word choice because people try to make this about a spectacle or tie this in.
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I want to address that, but one at a time.
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It's his choice.
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One at a time. Okay, let's start with his right to take his time to make the proper decision. You know, sometimes people confuse the idea, on the one hand, of taking your time, being deliberate, measuring twice and cutting once, so you make. You arrive at the best possible conclusion. They confuse that with, well, a lack of commitment. No, he's figuring out to whom he will be committed and what he wants to do. I understand that. On the other hand, Rich, you have made this point many times. He is still the face of the league. And as the face of the league, you talk about it, and it's true, in a way, you're in a business partnership. Adam Silver, the commissioner, has come out and said, as a matter of fact, listen to what Adam Silver had to say. We have to finish up the schedule, right? And where LeBron plays will affect the schedule. So I would like him to make his announcement already so we can finish the schedule, because as you might imagine, the teams are calling us, the networks are calling us, and everybody wants to lock in the schedule, but it will influence how we set the schedule, how we set opening week, Christmas Day, et cetera. So I need him to make a decision. So this is something that you have said, Rich, you said, wait, Max, I
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thought Nobody cared about LeBron.
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No, no, no. But clearly they do. The point is that. The point is that you have said that part of being the face of the league is these are your business partners. Adam Silver is coming out and saying what you said. You were like, hey, the TV schedule changes. So there is an element where, on the one hand, you're 100% right. LeBron takes. This is his choice. On the other hand, to be a good partner, the commissioner of the league is saying, hey, you do have, just as you've mentioned, Rich, this enormous influence on our TV schedule. There are people waiting on you. Isn't there is a case there that he does need to.
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I saw Adam in New York, and we discussed it, and like I said, it's still his choice. So if. If he doesn't really know, can't rush it can't rush it.
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So right now the league is aware of this, that he's not there yet,
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and we're not going to be rushed. We don't. It doesn't matter. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to sit here and sound like this. I'll just say we're not going to be rushed.
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That's. That's totally fair for you to say.
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It is his choice to make. And when he makes the choice he's making. Here's the other thing. It's not just like Pat said. And again, there's been several people to call and say, hey, Rich, is there anything more we should be doing, we could be doing? And my answer is no. We don't need you to go above and beyond about anything. We understand it. It's clear. All the messages have been sent.
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If they want to send me floor tickets, I can see what I can do to influence this.
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We get it. And again, there's roster spots that's not filled. Right. If they want to fill their roster spots. We're not saying don't fill your roster spots. We're not.
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But, Rich, none of this is what I mean. You're right. But it's not. It's not like we're stung with malice, but the fact is he has played himself into this position. But if you are running a team.
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Understood.
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If LeBron is available, because he is still not just all the branding and everything, he's still functioning at a very high level.
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Yes.
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That, that, you know, and. And because he is the face of the league, that does come with certain responsibilities. I respect the idea. Hey. Nevertheless, our priority is to get it right. I get that. But it does come at a cost, which is like, hey, there are a lot of people waiting.
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Yes. And that's fine. The only way it wouldn't be fine is if you were actually sitting here playing some type of game.
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But, you know, how do you. What do you say about that? That people are like, lebron loves the attention and that's why they're doing this.
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It's the lowest hanging fruit for when you don't have the information. That's just what it is. It's the lowest hanging fruit for when you don't have the information.
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He must be. If you say that's not what's motivating the behavior. Of course, it makes much more sense to me that LeBron wants to make the right choice. He's still undecided. And they. And there is a tension that comes along with that. But there is also a thing where both things can be true, that you're making the right choice. It must be very flattering that people. Of all the things that have happened in this off season with. Think of the name. Giannis has changed teams, right? That happened. A former Finals MVP in Jaylen Brown has changed teams in not only the conference, but the division. Like, these huge things have happened, and LeBron's decision is the biggest thing in the off season. And the. And the commissioner's here saying, we can't even set the schedule till we know. He must be flattered by the attention.
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And we understand that, though.
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Is he flattered by the attention, do you think?
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I don't know. I don't talk to him about.
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Are you proud of it?
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By the attention.
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Are you proud of it?
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As I understand it, I understand. I think he's earned it. Yeah. When you. When you've been a partner to the NBA the way LeBron has been, he's earned it. The seat he sits in today, he's earned. And I'll say this, I listen to the shows, I listen to the radio. You know, everything is clipped down, and you have all these different markets and the reasons why. The reasons, not why. And if you see me talking to somebody like a ownership, you know, people don't realize. We, myself, whether it's me, whether it's Maverick, whomever. We've dealt with owners for many years, and it's not because they own teams, it's because they. They didn't buy these teams being owners of. Of teams, they bought these teams building very, very, very successful businesses or leading very, very, very, very successful businesses. And we've always tried to position ourselves around people of that liking to learn more and to be privy to things, so on, so forth. Just personally, not even strictly for LeBron, obviously, for him, in some. In some retrospect, as you. As you're trying to do better within your business endeavors. But for us personally, we've. We've always had that. That type of mentality. And so now you see things and everything is something different. Like I heard him say something in one of his interviews, a phrase. Been saying that phrase forever. That's not. No one came up with that phrase. Or when you talk different things, it's never.
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What phrase are you talking about?
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He used. He used the process. Yeah.
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He used trust. The process relating. People are reading into it. The Sixers, he was talking at fanatics about the alignment of philosophies, where their motto became Trust the process. And he believes in that mentality.
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Yes. Or like.
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But when he says that he must be aware that he is raising the
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hopes, that's a negative thing. It's not a positive thing. Trust the process wasn't a positive thing for organization. That was the worst thing you could do for organizations.
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But the concept of trust, that's not.
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No, that. That. That's. Again, this is when you don't have the information that doesn't make sense. Trust the process was a negative thing.
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It got branded as negative based on their actual.
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It was the worst thing you could do for an organization.
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Intentionally be uncompetitive for your.
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Okay, wait, Rich, where's the value in that?
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The whiteboard. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it. The whiteboard you brought out and everyone got very excited, and we were discussing LeBron leaving the Lakers, and you were saying that you were checking in with him. At first it was like, I'm 80%. I'm going back. Then it was 50, then it's 30. Then I'm not going back. Is there anything you can say now about taking LeBron's temperature without getting into specifics about which team, where he is moving in a certain direction? Has it changed at all? Has the. Has his process shown movement in any direction?
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No, there's nothing I can say.
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Okay. There's a report that the decision is going to come in the next 48 hours.
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That's so false. These people don't know anything, man.
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Well, all these reports. Why am I asking?
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It doesn't make sense. Like, I don't know. I don't know when his choice is going to be made, but it could be 48 seconds. It could be 48 minutes. I don't. I don't know. Like, again, you can't make somebody know something that they don't know. Like.
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Well, I mean, I would say that if it's taking this long, then I would imagine since he is the choosing one, he gets to choose. Not just the chosen one, he's the choosing one. If he gets to choose and it's taking this long, it means that there are many attractive options.
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Right.
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That's what that means. There's a lot to be said for this team and that market. This team and that market.
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Well, I said it very clearly. Once you remove money, you have clarity.
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Yeah.
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Now it really becomes a decision. Remember I talked to you about the conversation that Jamal Crawford and I was having? When has there ever been a situation where an athlete is making a decision that it's a. A decision with real Clarity to think things through, and you're not being pulled by finances either way. It's not like we, it's not like I sit up there, you know, you're going to always have this. In my role, I have to have every type of discussion. Every type of discussion, I have to have it. In his role, he has to make a decision and give me whatever his choice is going to be or make the choice, however he choose to make it. But with that being said, as you go through the timeline and you're deciding the choice that you're going to decide, there's checkpoints that comes with that. And so you get a comment, there's no conversation saying, hey, hold this cap space or don't do this or don't do that. There's conversations that I have to have just in general that I'm going to have for any of my clients. But we've let all that bypass.
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You know, I think everyone in their life has made decisions that there are a lot of different factors. And in terms of when you're weighing the factors, there's like a weighted average. You think like, so in LeBron's case, I imagine that there's family components, right? Where's everyone gonna live? Kids, you know, you have a wife where she wanted, like all that stuff is one thing. And then because he's only going to go to a competitive team, the analysis of how he fits and works with that team and what that means is another component. Right. And I wonder if part of what's taking a while is the weighted average part. Like, what is, you know, you start saying, well, this market's really good because I'm close to this person in my family, because it makes this easier. This market's really good because of the way I would affect the team and what this team means for me and how to, you know, all that kind of stuff. And then on a day by day basis, when you're having a hard time making a choice, a lot of that's because on a Monday you might wake up and feel that family pull and that becomes more important. And on a Tuesday, you might wake up and say, you know, like, he has access to transportation.
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Yeah.
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But even if it's a little more inconvenient this way, I like the fit on this team better. So I imagine part of what's, what's the decision making process is figuring out for himself how to weigh that stuff.
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Yeah, I think the one nugget I will give you, Max, is my advice has been don't just value the paper. Because the paper in July is different than when you get into training camp. When you get into January, you know, there's a lot of things to think through.
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The paper meaning what?
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Yeah, just what's on paper?
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Oh, you mean the roster.
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Everything looks good on paper. And I think that a lot of times as an athlete, you naturally have this confidence that I can change everything and anything and fix this and fix that in July. But when the battle actually starts and you start to see the tendencies, you start to see habits, you start to see how things operate on a daily basis. And although. And it's tough to tell, right. It's tough to tell from the seat, you actually have to get in the mud and get your boots dirty.
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So is that you saying it's hard to tell from that point of view, but so make a family decision. No, I understand. You're saying. You're saying you got to look into it carefully.
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Yeah, I'm just saying you have to really take your time and think things through because again, what's. There's no perfect situation, but you understand that.
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And there's always trade offs. You get this here. You don't get that there.
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Right. So in life, there's no perfect situation. But my thing is I rather have no expectation and then get a surprise than have all this expectation and then be. Be disappointed.
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So let's talk about the Lakers for a second. Right now I don't want to get to the Rams and the Dodgers too, because it does occur to me that.
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And I saw something else today, too. I wasn't before I cut you off. And no, Lake listen again. And I'm not. I don't want to. He's heard from everybody that he needs to hear from. So there's no thing you waiting on somebody to do. We're not waiting on anybody to do anything. We're waiting on one thing. Him to make a choice.
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Are you getting voice messages like that report said? Are you still getting them? Did you ever get them? Was that a thing where you were.
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Voice message.
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You were accepting voice messages from different teams. That was the way for them to talk to you?
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I think we are in a position to where we understand everything that's in front of us. And he has to make a choice. And when he decides to make that
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choice, it's not like the first decision where there's sizzle reels basically that people are showing you. They're giving you promotional reels and trying to wine and dine LeBron. So the Lakers, it occurs to me, Rich Lebron's old team. I went over last week how they're in danger in terms of their position in the basketball hierarchy worldwide. Their brand of losing that to the Knicks, who are in a bigger, more basketball obsessed market and are the best team in basketball right now. And how like New York and LA could actually switch identities where New York takes over the basketball brand, Louisiana with the Dodgers takes over the baseball brand. Because the Dodgers are the best team in baseball year in and year out. But it occurs to me, yes, that's the thing. They're the best team in baseball. That doesn't mean you win the World Series every year, but means every year you have a better odds than anyone else. They just beat up the Yankees in a series, by the way, the Yankees won the last game of the series in the second half of a double header. Back end of a double header by one run. Okay? Like, the Dodgers are doing their thing. The Rams get Miles Garrett and they're talking about Aaron Donald coming out of retirement.
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I would love to see that.
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I mean, the Lakers not only have the external threat from the Knicks, they have an internal threat in LA itself, in the market itself, where they could become the number three brand in the market if the Dodgers continue this. And the Rams, like, okay, you have a box at SoFi.
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Yes, we do.
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And by the way, I've been there
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several years in la.
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It's great. Do you notice since Miles Garrett got traded. And by the way, they also improved the secondary, right? Like, they had a. Not a good secondary. Now they got an excellent corner. And now they're talking about Aaron Donald. Have you been hit up more for different football dates?
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And so far, no, because you got to remember, our box is full of people that actually love the sport. So I imagine it depends on certain games. Obviously you get more of a ax, but you know, people are. We Giants, Giants.
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People are going, Giants.
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The Giants. You want the Giants? Yeah.
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You're welcome. Of course. I do think there's a risk here, Rich. I know basketball is more friendly than baseball.
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I'll say this.
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Dodgers got the number one brand in baseball right now. The Rams, arguably in football. It's close.
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But one thing you're. But you're looking at it strictly from a fan perspective. Yes. A Laker game. For me personally, when I look at it, it's not just about basketball.
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Place to be seen.
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When I go to a Laker game, it's business. Basketball, yes, but business for. For a lot of reasons. Like what? Person fly into town, you have a meeting. Okay. Tonight, Come in We'll do an early dinner and then we're gonna hit a game. Or come in tonight, come in midday, we'll catch a game that night, get up in the morning, we'll meet.
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It's also easier. You go to a basketball game. Basketball is usually centered in the middle of a town. Madison Square Garden. You have to go to the Bronx, you have to go to Queens. You don't have to go to Jersey. Middle of town, easy in and out. It's not like going to Chavez Ravine where after the game you're like, oh, my God, I'm never going to get out of here. Going to Sofi, It's a whole thing. You can zip in and out downtown, go to the game, temperature controlled, easy. Like the whole. Going to a basketball game has more currency in the business world in terms of the desirability of the tickets and the. And the way it functions on courtside.
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Yeah, it's just a different atmosphere. But I understand what you're saying, and I don't know if people care about that from a. From a brand perspective as an organization. I think every. I think. I think every season is different. Now, what would be what, what would be a difference if what you were saying was. Is less about the Rams, it would be more of. If the Clippers became the go to, you know,
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fantasy world. Let's deal.
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No, I'm just saying. But then that would be.
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Yes, but I do.
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That's something to worry about.
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I don't think they have a competition in town. I think they have a competition in their league of losing their position as the preeminent brand in the world. I think the Knicks. I think the Knicks may have. The Knicks are close to already passing them because of what just happened.
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Well, you can share it. But then again, a Laker game and
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in town, the Rams and the Lakers and the Dodgers are a lot like. I'm just saying Laker.
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A Laker game and a Knick game is two different things. If you ask me, if I had
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one, just as much a place to be seen at a Knicks game. Yeah.
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If you ask me, if I had one game to go to, where would I rather go? A Knicks game.
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Right.
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No question about it. It's the Madison Square. It's. There's nothing like going to the Madison
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Square, especially now, to win a championship.
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Now the Knicks are really good. Is even more of a reason to go to Madison Square Garden. But really, that's 1A. And I think anybody will say that there's no knock to the Lakers but one a Minus is a Laker game.
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So the Lakers won, by the way. I looked this up. I didn't even realize it. I didn't know someone would have said. How many games do you think the Lakers won last year?
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50 plus.
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I would have said 48 games. Close to 50. They won 53 games.
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Yeah, they got off to. But you got to remember 53 games, they got off to a really good start. And so the key to the key to that is there's no team that's not going to go into a funk during the season at some point. You go now OKC barely lost back to backs and barely lost two games in a row. I don't think they ever lost three games in a row. Whatever. You get those teams, but for the most part, teams going to hit a skid probably two months or two times twice a year, sometimes three times a year. But getting off to that 15, 1, 15, 2, 16, 3 type of start gives you a cushion.
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And they had it, obviously. So they lose LeBron, they added Walker. Kessler is getting all the press.
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You know, they lost Big Bron, they
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lost Smart, they lost Rui, they bring in Colin Sexton. That's a nice little pickup. Quentin Grimes, here's the big one to me. And they got Kevin Looney, Matistas. Thible. Like, what's crazy about that, Rich? I looked it up today. Cause I'm like, Kevon Looney, Kavon Looney. Sorry. Yes, I looked it up today because I was thinking if thible ever really gets to shoot it, well, he doesn't have to do too many other things. He just needs. And I looked it up, he's 35% for his career from three. He shot 40% around the last two seasons and he's defensively a monster. I think that's kind of like an under the radar pickup for them. Yeah, I think especially with Luka and Austin Reaves on the team, you need some, you need some defense.
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And I think thiable is his production, if he's allowed to play real minutes, is probably well above the salary that he's being paid.
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Are we at a time now like the issue with Thible seems to be he's like a genuine 3 and D guy. The defense is pitched at a very high level. The three point shooting is actually pretty good now. Is that not enough anymore? Do you need like I always refer to guys as 3 and D plus. Do you need to be a 3 and D plus guy now? Because Thible's classic 3 and D, but he doesn't. He can't put the ball on the floor. He can't create. Da da da.
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Well, you got to look at each guy, right? I think when you look at a guy like Colin, he's probably coming off the bench to score it. Right, Right. That's. That's going to be his role. Grimes, again, he likes to shoot it. And I think for what I can see, I think there's been a good job of adding that, you know, that length next to Luka, from a defensive perspective, even a kid like Zaire Williams, which is a local kid, went to Sierra Canyon again. He was a top 10 pick to the Memphis Grizzlies, went out of Stanford and kind of moved around the league. But still, young, athletic, can play long. And I think what I see too here is this, Grimes played with Luka. You know, Colin is a guy that I think the Lakers has always liked, but you need that kind of microwave guy coming off the bench, get his
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own shot, create some offense.
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But I think what I'm seeing here is what's being created is there is no sort of conflict of the pecking order. Right. So you lead with Luca Ar is next in terms of the pecking order, sexing off the bench, responsibility, etc. That those are all positives, I think in just being around a lot of these guys. I think a lot of these guys are pretty high level, you know, human beings. I think the only issue I can see here is like any other team is health. If one of the two guys go down, your premier guys like last year, by the way. Right, but, but you had a third guy that was really like second to.
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Do you think they can win more than 53 games or even win? I think 53 is a stretch. 53 is a lot of wins.
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It's just a, it's just a, it's just a different team. And again, like we talked about the scheduling, we don't know how the Lakers schedule going to come out if they. And the one thing that people underestimate, with all these new names to start training camp, these guys are going to have to have a really, really, really solid training camp going into the season.
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Take the preseason game seriously because if
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you get off to a slow start, it's really tough. And then, and then there's an injury, it's really tough to overcome because with all these names, you only got two people that can actually win you a game. And so, but again, I'm not in the, in the front office, I'm not in the meetings. I don't know what the what the plan is. If it's a one year, two year, three year, four year plan, and just trying to kind of figure it out. But I think ultimately there's decent depth here, and so you just have to play the games to see where it goes.
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I have a pet point I want to make involving the NFL, and then I want to get to this Tim Donaghy thing. You see Cam Scatterboo, the Giants running back.
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B
Yeah.
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Who's rehabbing the injury, and he does the backflip. Everyone got upset. What is people getting. What are people getting upset about, Rich? What he did. The point was. And people are missing this, the point was to demonstrate that his leg is okay, which is why he rolls up his pant leg and shows everyone his leg and then he does a backflip. The point was it's set. My leg is sound.
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B
It depends on who you are, if you're the team or his representation. They're probably cringing at that. But they know who he is. They know his personality. But as a former.
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I'm a Giants fan, I didn't care.
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Yeah. Oh, great. As a fellow tumbler myself, the back. The backflip he did, you know, he just was a little bit off balance. He kind of fell on his. He. He landed more on his heel than on his toes. And really, had he landed more on his toes, he would. He wouldn't have.
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As an agent, you've negotiated a lot of contracts.
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Yeah.
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You know, what is the wildest, like, non. Like what clause in the contract that protects the team against injury that's not basketball related.
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There's Exhibit 5 in our contracts that talks about. It's called the love of the game clause. So it kind of protects the player
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somewhat playing pickup and stuff.
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Yeah, but like, man, you gotta read those contracts and understand, like. And these guys just jumping on jet skis and bungee jumping and doing all these things. Like, remember when those scooters were. Were big and you had guys coming into the arena on those scooters? No. No. And any of my guys will tell you I am a stickler. I don't. Don't go on vacation. Don't show me you jumping off no boat on vacation.
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You're on a little Vespa somewhere. Don't do it.
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Yeah, but I'm saying, you know how you jump off the side of the boat into the ocean? I don't really care.
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Crazy. There's sharks in there. What are you doing?
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But not only that, like, I don't even. I don't really care for Any of that.
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Right.
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And if you're in a contract season, I always tell the guys, hey, listen, let's just go to Home Depot. We're gonna buy some bubble wrap and some duct. I'm just gonna bubble wrap you and tape you, and all we're gonna do is be able to stay away from sharp objects. Yeah. Feed you until you sign your deal. Like, it's. It's. Is that fragile, and it's that important. You've heard the conversation of guys slipping out the shower, slipping down the steps, and all these things. And that's why when you are going into your extension year, if you notice, unless you're like a top, top guy, and they get it done like they got Wimby done right away, right in July. But for the most part, they let guys go all the way up the deadline for most, just in case they
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twist their ankle getting out of the shower.
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It's like the night, like the day before the season actually starts. So they wait. They wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And, you know, it's important for you to think about those things. And again, when you're an athlete, professional athlete, I get it. Everyone's telling you, and I know how hard it is because I've been around them. Everyone's telling you what you can't do. You. You just want to be left alone and do whatever it is you want to do.
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I'm a professional athlete. I can't do whatever I want. I get paid $200 million, and I
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can win, but that's not the cars that's dealt. Just like you see in a lot of conversations about the salaries and all that type of stuff. It's not the cars that's dealt to you. And I'm one of those type of guys that's like, listen, I got to play the hand that's dealt.
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Right?
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And, you know, do the best with
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the cards you got. You hear what Tim Donaghy said? The NBA ref?
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B
No, I didn't hear what he said.
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Check this out. Specifically, at certain times, the NBA was favoring Kobe. So what kind of message would they
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tell the refs in terms of, you
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know, make sure you call every foul and make sure that he's always, you know, you know, there to shoot extra points and so forth. You know, like, how clear was the
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message coming from the NBA to the refs? It was very clear. I'll never forget when Kobe was in a playoff series with the Phoenix Suns, and I forget who the defender was, but they called him the Kobe stopper, or he referred to himself as the Kobe stopper. And they would show us video of games previously of plays that fouls weren't called of this guy holding him or defending him too strongly. And, and they wanted freedom of movement because they wanted higher scoring in these games. So they would show you plays and say this was a foul that was missed and these three referees missed this play. Make sure you don't let this happen tonight. Make sure you call this when this happens. And that's how they would program and train the officials in the next game to have more freedom of movement and have Kobe Bryant have the ability to score more points and, and do well,
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that, that he's just answering the question. But there's no corruption in that. If the league, like the league is not showing him tape of Kobe Bryant being defended by I guess, Raja Bell, whoever it is, and, and saying, see this? Why don't we call that a foul? The league is saying, look, you three refs missed this call. Players like Kobe Bryant, especially guys like LeBron and Shaq, guys with incredible physical advantages. And I know the perception is guys like Kobe and mj, oh, they got the whistle all the time. But players who the refs look at and go, well, there's no way to guard them actually usually let defenders get away with extra stuff. This is not like a guy like SGA or James Harden or Luka Doncic. They're doing things to draw the foul. And the refs should not call those fouls. They're blowing the whistle too much. Hey, if you're looking to foul hunt, the ref shouldn't call that. And if the league is telling them, hey, call that, that's bad. And I think that's actually a corruption of the rules because the offensive player is not meant to manipulate the rules and make non real basketball moves in order to get a foul. But what he's talking about is Kobe playing basketball on offense, whoever his defender is making a rules infraction in order to defend Kobe because Kobe's very hard to defend. And the league simply saying, call that up and down.
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Yeah, it's a foul, it's a foul.
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Call a foul. That's that. There's no corruption there.
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B
No, no, I mean, I mean on
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you could do that. I think LeBron and Shaq are better examples than Kobe because LeBron and Shaq are two guys. And Wemby, to an extent in this last season, in these last playoffs, they're perceived as having such physical advantages that it's almost like, well, how else are you going to defend them? Tough they have physical advantages. They shouldn't change the rules or swallow the whistle.
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B
Yeah. I think because of the situation with that particular ref and all. He's been through that. Any statement that he makes, you automatically think that there was something fishy going on. And he may be trying to insinuate that, but I don't think so.
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He's just answering the question straight up and down. But the way that's been covered is like, oh, Donna.
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He's saying, I know they were gonna stop. They're trying to, but it's because of the situation.
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His whole history.
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Yes. I don't think that particular breakdown of what the NBA wanted leads to that.
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Right.
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B
Yeah. Yeah.
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But that is being presented. You're right. It's unfair to say he's presenting it that way. That is being packaged and aggregated and everything. As the former NBA ref is saying that the league is corrupt, and that is. You want to make that point, fine. But that's not the way to make it, because there's nothing corrupt about that.
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B
And like everything else, Max. And before we go to the emails and voicemails, I do want to address something, because now I do have a platform, and we're kind of. Our show is. It's not media, but I guess it's media. Okay. Within the media realm. Yeah. I understand people have a job to do. Right. And I understand. And you can tell me better the way this thing works. If you're on the air and there's a situation like what we're currently in, your producers or they. They want the. They want something. They want to update. They want something to be able to feed the viewership. Right. And the bigger the platform, the more they want. Every show in the lineup from the morning to evening have to have some type of hit on this situation, especially when you're as big as someone like LeBron. I totally understand that, and I want to be respectful to those that are just trying to do their job. Understand that. Then there's also the fan aspect of it. And I think that in all these markets and teams and things like that, you have people, regional people, local people, and there's a ton of speculation within those realms as well. And we personally don't, and we've done this purposefully, that there's no leading on for anybody. There's been, you know, I've had everyone from ownership to general managers and presidents of teams, they've all asked, is there any more we should be doing? What else could we do? So on and so forth. And it's been no, you've done all you, you've needed to do and that's it, right? So there's no leading on for anybody in that, in that capacity. And you get. These teams get clipped and things like that. At the end of the day, this is, this is a very important choice for him. And I want to respect that. And I get it. I get. And that's not going to stop people from talking and doing whatever.
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That's the fun.
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Yeah, that's the fun. And I said this every day.
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Even, like, this is like fans in sports are superstitious because as a fan, you don't have any control, right? And you love it so, so much that you want to follow every little detail. You want more. Your brain is like hungry, thirsty for it. You want more information. And so you read into every little thing. And part of the fun, especially this is kind of a dead point in sports, in the calendar, is every show talks about it, the fans love it. Like, this is the sport within the sport. And I know it puts you sometimes in a tough position or. And then unfortunately there's like negative stuff that comes about about LeBron because any topic is only interesting when there's, you know, some conflict. But it's like a fun time. It's supposed to be a fun time.
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B
But nowadays, look, if for the viewers and listeners, you gotta understand, when you see people on these platforms talking, for
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the most part, do you have anyone in mind in particular?
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Just anybody. On all the platforms, for the most part, 98% of them don't have the information.
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Right.
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B
And so there's a lot of things being spewed, four takes and for viewership. But, you know, the fans shouldn't lead into that. Like, don't lead into that thing or lean into that thing. But I was happy to see something. I was actually happy to see LeBron at Fanatics Fest, kind of enjoying it with the fans and really, you know, leaning into certain things and having a playful type of aura about it. Because for so many years I've been next to him and watch him have to have so much pressure on whatever he did. And it wasn't just for him, it was for all parties involved because, you know, he's just that force to be reckoned with in that, in that regard and to be in a position now where, you know, again, my conversation is, how do you find humility and peace while still, still playing the game? And I, and I. I was happy to see that he was able to really take on the questions, have some fun with it.
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Like the fans.
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And I think. I think. I think the fans are what drives this whole thing. And so for me, because I also said it the other day, I was like, yeah, we're having a lot of fun with it because it's supposed to be fun, you know, but at the same time, like you said, understanding where it's at. And look, I know that at some point the schedule has to come out and, you know, TV games and Christmas Day games and, you know, depending on what happens and where, and it changes a lot of things. I get that.
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But I just ask LeBron one thing. Just as a person.
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B
I can't rush the choice. But I do have, you know who
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A
I have more get woken up at three in the morning by the call from someone. Oh, you got to get to the studio, LeBron. Just do it at a convenience.
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B
Here's what I will say. Here's what I will say. I have a lot of friends in the media, people I really rock with. And their thing is like, rich, we have to go on vacation, man. I need to take my family on vacation. And my thing to them is, you should have been one on vacation.
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A
Yeah, but. But you know when. Before the NBA finals are over, like, then after the finals, everything's happening. You can't go now is the point where you're supposed to go. But because he hasn't made his decision, I know already know what's going to happen.
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B
I don't want you to take a few days off that you're dis. That you're like, we're going to take
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A
a few days off. I'm going to get a call from you. Listen, this is going down right now. Oh, boy. Now we got to get to a studio somewhere.
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B
Oh, man, I. Listen, I wish I can give you some information, Max.
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A
Can I hop on the clutch jet, though, when it's time to go to the jack? Okay, very good.
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B
Yeah, no problem. We got peanuts and.
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A
Yeah, and the snacks.
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B
Tea.
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A
Yeah. Tea.
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B
Honey. Yeah, we got honey.
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A
All right, I'm in.
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B
Tea. Yeah.
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A
Let's do some emails and voicemails. We haven't done it in so long. Hey, guys, Longtime listener and I used to watch Max on Around the Horn as a kid to spin off Rich's idea for sham shot. This is Rich saying the way there was a WOJ bomb. We need a sham shot or something like that. He said. What about a sham? Wow. Nope, that's not bad.
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B
Sham.
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Wow. Remember the shamwow, Matt?
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B
The answer is no. You know why? The answer is no.
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A
Why?
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B
Because sham's already committed to the sham shot.
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A
Sham shot.
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B
He liked it.
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A
Oh, really?
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B
Yes.
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Excellent. Yeah, that's good. By the way, he needed. He needed that. He needed the. The phrasing. All right, very good.
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B
So we're going to build around that.
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A
He. Yeah, he was saying sham because sham wow. He wanted to say sham wow does not have the same ring to it as sham. Shamsha. What are your thoughts on Aaron Boone's managing job this season of the Yankees? What do you think the problem with the Mets franchise, who can be bad even as they're one of the top spenders in baseball of the show,
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B
the
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Yankee, the job that Boone has done every year, you'll have criticism of the manager. The manager can't help the teams on base percentage or contact rate. Brian Cashman. This is not an Aaron Boone issue. It's a Brian Cashman issue and a Steinbrenner issue. Steinbrenner. He spends plenty of money on the team, but he is not the top spender in the league. He should be. They're the Yankees number one and number two, Cashman is a good gm, but there is zero reason for the Yankees not to have the best GM in baseball. And he's not even in the conversation for the best GM in baseball. And that's why there are better teams than the Yankees every year. Although the Yankees are among the powerhouse teams. And the Mets, look, if you take over the job for the Mets or the Clippers or one of those franchises, you know, go with God. I don't know what to tell you. Like, they're just. It's like a can't get right organization.
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B
I know. And they have such great uniforms.
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A
You love the Mets uniforms.
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B
I do. I like the Mets.
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A
You know where they come from, by the way, the colors and the.
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B
I like the gray. I like the gray Mets.
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A
So the Mets uniforms. New York used to have three baseball teams. Yankees, Dodgers, Giants. Between 1947 and 57, nine times. Two of those teams were meeting in the World Series. Yankees in the American League, Dodgers, Giants in the National League. So the Yankees got there all the time. Dodgers and Giants were the other side of it, Right? World Series, Subway Series, hopped on the subway, they both leave in 1957, the Giants and the Dodgers. For LA 1961, you have the Mets and they took the orange from the Giants, the blue from the Dodgers, that same color blue, and the pinstripes from the Yankees. And that's how you have the Mets uniform.
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B
That's actually pretty cool. You know what? To my Mitchell and Ness family, I Need that. Daryl Strawberry Mets the gray pinstripe gray. Because you know what I'm doing. Max, I don't know if you saw my 1998 bulls warm up jacket. I kind of dressed it up.
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I don't remember.
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I wore it to the fanatics fest because it was. It was in. Yeah, it was in the whole. It's the fanatics fest. You got to wear something sporty.
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A
Sure.
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B
You know, but. But I think there's a world where, you know, people would get into all this luxury and I'm cool with the luxury right now. I'm rocking a lot of Aldi as well as Ralph. But I think there's a world where you can, you can. You can kind of elevate the athletic look.
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A
You want to take it to the next level, huh?
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B
I'm just saying I think you can do a hybrid of. It has to be the right.
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A
Make it more formal.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Interesting.
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B
I actually enjoyed it because there's certain. Baseball jerseys are the best to do this with because it's almost like a button up. You do it the right way and
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it's the only sport where the. Where the coach wears the uniform on the field.
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B
Yeah. You have to go down in the size though, depending on your pant. So you have to go down in the size. You can also do this with a basketball jersey. But all these things you have to go down in size with football jerseys would be the toughest.
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A
Too big.
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B
But you would have. But if you go down in size and depend on it depends on if it. If it's tailored to your body, you could do it. But. Yeah, I like that look though.
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A
You said Darryl Strawberry of every baseball player in New York City between Mickey Mantle and Aaron Judge, who were like the symbol of the home run in their eras. The two that came the closest to that level between Mickey Mantle and Aaron Judge, there was Reggie Jackson for the Yankees and there was Jackson. Darryl Strawberry for the Mets. Daryl Strawberry was a huge star.
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B
Darrell Strawberry I love.
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A
And a great player.
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B
Yeah, great player.
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A
He was a great player later on on the Yankees when he was playing outfield DH and not even playing a full season, but still like one of
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B
the better hitters in the game with the Yankees, right?
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A
He absolutely did. And he was a huge contributor and he had a lot of playoff home runs. He was a playoff performer with the
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B
Yankees and he has a great name. Darryl Strawberry.
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A
Him and Dwight gooden in the mid-80s. Boy, that was about as big as it gets them.
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B
The Bears, they were the coolest.
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A
That was Marcelo from Queens who asked that, by the way?
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B
Oh, Marcelo, good question.
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A
Do we have a voicemail that we're going to play? Do we have one queued up?
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B
I thought so.
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A
Let's do it.
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B
Hey, Max and Rich, this is Patrick from Lexington, Kentucky. Just wanted to say love the pod. Doing great work, guys. And my question for you is. You guys play any pickleball?
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A
When are we going to see clutch sports go fully into the pickleball world?
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B
I'm your main, Rich. Thanks. Well, no, I don't play pickleball because I've been golfing and did you see?
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A
I don't. I don't do anything.
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B
And Draymond and LeBron get into this whole thing about golf.
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A
What happened?
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B
Well, they were.
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A
We're off of pickleball already?
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B
Yeah, they were talking about the score. No, I'll get back to. They were talking about the score.
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A
Do you pickleball together at all, Max? Is there a nice. You tie the, like, the white. The tennis thing, the white knot, the thing. And let's stay focused with the ice tea and the umbrella.
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B
Yeah, let's stay focused, Max. And they were talking about the golf scores, and I think Kevin was trying to do what he normally does, cheat the score. But I can't talk about any of those guys.
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A
Which. Kevin.
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B
Who?
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A
Kevin.
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B
Because they're all better than me right now. For right now, which is fine, but I just thought that it. It went everywhere they would. They were. They were arguing about it. But pickleball, I. I need to. I want to. Not pickle ball. I want to play Padell. Is that the right term?
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A
I don't know.
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B
I think it's called.
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A
Sounds like you're signing. Trying to say paddle in French.
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B
I think it's because everyone's playing it now, but, yeah, I think I want to play that.
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A
I don't belong to any country clubs. I don't know. You know, I don't know. I go to work, I come home, I go to work, you know?
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B
Yeah, well, you got to do some other things, Max.
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A
That's what they tell me.
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B
Yeah.
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A
All right, listen. So we had fun in New York.
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B
New York was. New York was. A true vibe, Max. A true vibe.
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A
Glad to hear it. And again, just, please, 3:30 in the morning, we got to do.
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B
I don't have any control over that, Max, come on. I don't.
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A
Braun, come on, man, please, just, like, do it at a reasonable time.
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B
I'm respecting the man's time, man. What you want me to do? I have no control over it. No.
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A
All right.
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B
I'M looking forward to whenever it is, but I have no control over that.
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A
Show's over. We barely addressed pickle ball. You have to.
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B
Sorry, I don't know. You know what, listen, why do they
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A
call I play pickleball, by the way.
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B
Yes.
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A
Why is it called pickleball?
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B
I try to play pickleball. I don't know why it's called pickleball,
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A
but I think took over. All of a sudden you see real estate things. Everyone's building a pickleball. You know why?
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B
Because everyone can play it.
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A
Right.
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B
I'd rather play tennis. If I'm going to do it, let me. If I'm going to do it, I want to play tennis so I can have the gear on and I could, you know, really get into the game.
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A
Yeah, pickleball's more of a less injury risk kind of thing. No, people get injured, but not as much as tennis, would you say?
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B
No, but the older you get, you get injured just walking outside.
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A
You ain't lying. Yeah, I pulled my calf. Literally walking across the room and you
- [55:18]
B
stepped on a dandelion. It's that type of stuff.
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A
Just living your life. Sleep on the bed a certain way, wake up with neck.
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B
That's why I was in there with Miles Garrett and Will Anderson. We was getting. That's what I'm saying, like, I'm not getting out of shape. Max.
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A
You with Miles Garrett, Will Anderson?
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B
Yeah, we, you know, I felt right at home.
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A
Are you. Are they frightened of you? Like the way an elephant doesn't like a mouse? No, but we're like similar size, like scares.
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B
Our builds are similar. So I see, you know, when we, you know, we were doing that day, we were working on legs, so we're doing a lot of squatting.
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A
I see.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. I'm squatting like 450.
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A
You squatting 450, easy. I don't know why you would do that at your age, but. Okay.
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B
No, I'm fine. It's all about the technique. It's not about the weight, Max. It's about the technique.
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A
Yeah, Something about the weight, too, though. Notice you didn't say I'm squatting 150. You said, I'm squatting 450.
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B
Yeah, 450. Yeah.
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A
That's pretty good.
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B
Yeah.
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A
What do you weigh?
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B
I don't want to reveal that to the.
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A
But it's about three times your body weight for sure.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine.
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A
Not much more than twice mine, unfortunately.
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B
Earl Boykins was doing that with no problem.
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A
Yeah. World class athlete in his.
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B
What same neighborhood. So it runs. It runs in the neighborhood.
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A
All right, I'll see you in a couple days.
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B
Yeah, see, in a couple days.
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A
You'll see us in a couple days. I say we see you, but we don't see you. You'll see us in a couple days. Game over with Max.
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B
Send us some more voicemails and emails, too, Sam.