1/15 Defense Attorney Peter Wold helps explain the MN law that prohibits releasing ICE detainees to ICE

Summary

Garage Logic (Gamut Podcast Network)
Episode: 1/15/26 — Defense Attorney Peter Wold Explains MN Law Prohibiting Release of ICE Detainees to ICE
Date: January 15, 2026

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Overview

The episode focuses on a timely and controversial aspect of Minnesota law: why state and local law enforcement (LE) agencies cannot detain individuals on ICE requests alone, and the consequences of these policies amid public protests and recent law enforcement incidents. "The Mayor" Joe Soucheray, joined by the regular Garage Logic crew and guest criminal defense attorney Peter Wold, unpacks the legal, political, and practical dimensions of Minnesota’s non-cooperation policy with ICE detainers, the resulting community turmoil, and broader debates about state vs. federal authority.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Minneapolis Protests and the Slogan “No One is Illegal on Stolen Land”

[01:49–03:02]

• The show opens with reflection on the protests at 24th and Lyndale about ICE activity, focusing on the protest sign “No one is illegal on stolen land.”
• The hosts recognize the complexity and layered meanings of the slogan and point out what they perceive as hypocrisy: “Everyone who trumpets that phrase doesn’t do anything about it… If you think it’s stolen, give the land back.” — Joe Soucheray [03:06]

2. Sanctuary Policies vs. ICE Detainers: The Simplest Case

[03:58–07:09]

• GL listener “Freddie” (email read by Joe) outlines the difference between a commonsense approach (ICE takes custody at jail release) and current Minnesota practice (release without ICE notification, then ICE must track individuals down in the community).
• The hosts note this “chaotic” process and attribute neighborhood disorder to Minnesota's unwillingness to cooperate with ICE.

3. Breakdown of Minnesota Attorney General’s Opinion & Minnesota Law

[07:09–13:50]

• AG’s Feb 2025 Opinion:
  • MN law bars LE from holding someone solely on ICE detainers (civil, not criminal).
  • 10th Amendment prevents feds from commandeering state/local authorities for federal enforcement.
• Federal ICE detainers are requests, not orders. Detaining someone after state/local charges end is considered a new “arrest” and exposes agencies to civil liability.
  • “ICE was making a request of Choi … no Minnesota civil law authorizes immigration detainer arrests. MN LE agencies risk significant civil liability if they enforce immigration detainers.” — [13:04, paraphrased and summarized]

4. Legal Nuances & Real-World Enforcement Questions

[13:50–19:10]

• Discussion about the boundary between criminal and civil violations:
  • “If Troy didn’t let that guy go, it would be considered an arrest. That’s the way I’m interpreting it.” — Joe Soucheray [10:01]
  • Local jails can only hold people for state charges; once that's resolved, holding for ICE (without a judge’s warrant) is not allowed.
• Minnesota Supreme Court precedents make sheriffs liable for false imprisonment if holding beyond legal authority.
• The conversation recognizes confusion even among the hosts about technicalities of detainment.

5. Interview with Defense Attorney Peter Wold

[14:56–24:57]

• Why can’t LE hold on ICE detainers?
  • Peter Wold: “It’s illegal in Minnesota.” [15:50]
  • Only possible if person is being charged with a crime or awaiting appearance in federal court—otherwise, can’t hold them for ICE.
• On the link between unrest and inability to hand off detainees at jails:
  • “I’m not buying that, Joe… I think it’s a retribution campaign — that’s what I think.” — Peter Wold [19:13, 19:23]
• Due process is central—being held solely for an ICE detainer violates due process under MN law.
• Clarifies that serious offenders (e.g., murder) aren’t released: “If you had an illegal immigrant in jail charged with murder, I’m sure that would be just taken care of locally… he wouldn’t be let out of jail unless he was acquitted.” — Peter Wold [20:58–21:01]
• On police shootings/critical incidents: Wold stresses independent, transparent investigation is standard for officer-involved incidents and laments when due process isn’t followed.

6. More Legal and Policy Context from Media & Lawsuits

[28:19–34:07]

• Reviewed ACLU suit against Carver County for detaining a man at ICE’s request after bail — highlighting that MN counties have long been warned not to honor civil ICE detainers.
• Dakota County Sheriff quoted: “ICE detainers are civil administrative actions, not court orders… [We] cannot legally hold someone past their state charges.” — Sheriff Joe Lecco, MinPost quote [34:07]
• All MN counties surveyed affirm this is the policy; only a judicial warrant mandates holding an otherwise releasable person.

7. State vs. Federal Authority: Can Federal Law Override?

[39:45–40:07]

• Hosts clarify: MN law explicitly blocks local cooperation with ICE absent a judicial warrant; federal law doesn’t “trump” state law here.
  • “I was just always under the assumption federal law trumped state and local law.” — Joe Soucheray [40:00]
  • “That’s why the Civil War happened, basically.” — John Haidt [40:07] (humorous, but points to long-running tension between state and federal power)

8. Policy Implications and Community Impact

[45:41–49:55]

• Debates on whether this law improves or endangers public safety. Is the right of the individual or the safety of the broader community more important?
  • “Does the health, welfare and safety and orderliness of the … taxpayer trump the convenience given to someone who has an ICE detainee tag on them?” — Joe Soucheray [47:07]
• Hosts repeatedly affirm: someone held for serious crimes is not released just because of immigration status.
• "By law, Minnesota could not release him [to ICE]. That leaves ICE scrambling to find him. Then you get what you had last night: chaos." — Joe Soucheray [49:05]

9. The “Mystery” of Minnesota Values

[49:05–50:45]

• Soucheray suggests the law, while often justified constitutionally, may align with “the mystery,” i.e., a local set of values that prioritize due process and privacy even for undocumented immigrants.

10. Political Response and Public Rhetoric

[46:31–52:35]

• Excerpts from Governor Walz describing ICE agents as “armed, masked and undertrained … asking residents to point out where their non-white neighbors live.” [46:31]
• Soucheray and crew criticize Walz’s approach as fanning the flames instead of explaining the law and calming the public.

11. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

LEGAL FOUNDATIONS

• “Importantly, federal regulations themselves specify that detainers issued by ICE are requests, not commands…” — Attorney General’s Opinion, read by Joe Soucheray [08:00–09:00]
• “No Minnesota civil law authorizes immigration detainer arrests. … [Local agencies] risk significant civil liability if they enforce immigration detainers.” — Attorney General’s Office, summarized [13:04]

ON POLICY CONSEQUENCES

• “So it’s important to note that ICE doesn’t have LEO status. They’re not law enforcement—well, they are federally, they’re not locally.” — Kenny Olson and Joe Soucheray [39:26]

POLITICAL REACTION

• “Governor [Walz] could have explained exactly what I’m trying to explain… Instead, it was another opportunity for him to go on his war against Trump.” — Joe Soucheray [51:17]

CIVIC REFLECTION

• “All I’m trying to do is figure it all out.” — Joe Soucheray [53:16]
• “I feel no hope for calm and common sense to be restored here. … I am feeling so lost, confused, and heartbroken. I look to you every day for guidance…” — Anonymous government worker’s email read aloud [68:00]

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Notable Segment Timestamps

• [01:49] Opening on Minneapolis ICE protests and “No one is illegal on stolen land”
• [03:58] Listener “Freddie” breaks down sanctuary enforcement complications
• [07:09] AG’s Feb 2025 legal opinion on ICE detainers (read and analyzed)
• [14:56] Call to attorney Peter Wold: MN law plainly prohibits holding solely for ICE [15:50–16:32]; Wold’s doubts about direct causality between law and chaos [19:10]
• [28:21] ACLU lawsuit against Carver County for illegal ICE hold; broader county policies affirmed
• [46:31] Gov. Walz’s speech excerpted, denouncing ICE raids
• [49:05] “So is this law worth it?” Civic and public safety debate
• [52:04+] Hosts critique political grandstanding and community outcomes

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Flow and Tone

With Soucheray’s laid-back, "Gumption County" common sense perspective, the crew wades into complex, emotional territory with some humor, some bewilderment, and frequent appeals to black-letter law and real-world outcomes. Peter Wold serves as the legal compass, carefully distinguishing between criminal and civil frameworks and emphasizing due process for all—even those facing ICE holds.

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Summary

This episode of Garage Logic offers a deep-dive into why Minnesota law limits local cooperation with ICE detainers, rooted in both state constitutional protections and a specific interpretation of federalism. The policy, while sharply criticized by some as fostering chaos or enabling the undocumented—including those with criminal convictions—flows from Minnesota's commitment to due process and civil liberties. The episode is a blend of legal analysis, policy debate, and civic frustration over the consequences—real and perceived—for public order, community trust, and the role of leaders in periods of social unrest.

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For listeners: If you want to understand the actual statute, its implications, and why ICE is confronting neighborhoods rather than making pickups at jails, this is a compelling breakdown—especially with Peter Wold’s legal clarity. The discussion moves from minute legal nuance to the street-level impacts and political rhetoric shaping the larger conversation on immigration enforcement in Minnesota.

Transcript

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[Joe Thompson]

And now from the mayor's office above the boathouse on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's Garage Logic with Chris Reavers manning Technology corner. Hi. Kenny Olson from the Crabby Coffee Shop.

[John Haidt]

Nope.

[Joe Sucere]

John Height in the newsroom.

[Joe Thompson]

And of course the rookie here is your Flashlight King fireworks commissioner and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Joe Su. Sure. Last night there was a another dust up involving ice and the people of Minneapolis out on the streets. 24th and Lindale. There's a sign held by a protester on the COVID of the Pioneer Press today. You ready? No one is illegal on stolen land. Oh, that covers so many bases.

[Joe Sucere]

Checks a lot of boxes does.

[Joe Thompson]

I don't know where to go with that. Wow. I don't know. I. I have nothing to say. Well, of course I do.

[Joe Sucere]

I hope so.

[Joe Thompson]

No one is illegal on stolen land.

[Joe Sucere]

Wow.

[Joe Thompson]

Why you. You can interpret that any way you want. There's many ways.

[Joe Sucere]

You know what that's a big game of.

[Joe Thompson]

Huh?

[Joe Sucere]

What about ism?

[Joe Thompson]

Everyone who trumpets that phrase doesn't do anything about it. All these people in the failed academy who go to the podium for some seminar and begin by saying, let us remember what or on stolen land. Well, then give your school back. Give the land back to who you think it was stolen from. No one ever does that. They just carry the signs around. No one is illegal on stolen land. Well, you know what it's time for again, folks? Context. You ready? I. I knew some of this, but not intensely enough. I got a great email today from Freddie. Hail the flashlight King.

[Joe Sucere]

Hail you.

[Joe Thompson]

That was pretty good.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, I feel it today.

[Joe Thompson]

As a longtime g ler, I am inclined to boil things down to the simplest, most logical level. Which is why this explanation and proposed solution makes the most gl sense. Normal course of action. A. Immigration Control Enforcement has a detainer on an illegal alien who has committed a crime and is being held in a Minneapolis jail. B. Minnesota authorities allow ICE to serve the detainer immediately upon release from jail. In other words, they'd be literally there waiting for his release. Now we'll take over.

[Kenny Olson]

Got it.

[Joe Thompson]

All right. See? ICE goes away with the illegal alien criminal in tow.

[Kenny Olson]

Problem solved with criminal in tow.

[Joe Thompson]

Okay. The Minneapolis. Well, we could say the Minnesota chosen course of action. One, Sanctuary state knows ICE has a detainer on an illegal alien criminal they're about to let out of jail. 2. Minnesota does not want that illegal alien further incarcerated as a sanctuary city. It wants him free from further justice. 3. To apprehend the subject, ICE needs to track down the freed illegal alien in the neighborhoods of Minneapolis. And so it does. You with me so far?

[Kenny Olson]

Yes.

[Joe Thompson]

To which you could add, which is why you have episodes like last night. It is my understanding that ICE got wind of an illegal, in this case a Venezuelan fellow, and tried to arrest him. And the Venezuelan fellow resisted. He was shot, fortunately enough, in the leg and an arrest was made. But that resulted also in the chaos in the neighborhood of people wishing for him to not have been arrested. No one is illegal on stolen land. For the mysterious residents of Minneapolis, sanctuary citizens in their own minds seek to obstruct ice from its responsible role. 5. Chaos and riots ensue to obstruct law and order. Solution Let ICE serve the deserved retainer in jail prior to release. All current Minnesota and ICE problems would cease. Problem. As a self acclaimed, feel good, militant sanctuary city, the leadership has chosen the chaotic rather than the simple solution. Now that makes so much sense. I had to go and do my homework. All right.

[Kenny Olson]

Homework within your homework.

[Joe Thompson]

In February of last year, let's just call it. A year ago there was this announcement from the Minnesota Attorney General's office, the hard working office of Keith Ellison. February 6, 2025, we're going to call it. One year ago the Minnesota. And this is their release. This is not some podcast host making this up.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay?

[Joe Thompson]

The Minnesota Attorney General's Office issued a formal legal opinion today. It was a year ago that Minnesota law prohibits state and local law enforcement agencies from holding someone based on an immigration detainer if the person would otherwise be released from custody under state law, the Attorney General's Office may issue a legal opinion upon the request of a limited number of public officials or bodies. The Attorney General's Office produced today's opinion one year ago on the request of Ramsey County Attorney John Choi, who asked the office for an opinion on whether Ramsey county, or by extension any county, can lawfully hold people in custody based on immigration detainers issued by federal authorities. Everybody pause. You with me so far?

[John Haidt]

Yes.

[Joe Thompson]

Joy is saying, I've got a guy in here. There is a. There is a custody hold on him based on a retaining a retainer request from Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Can I release him? The opinion first reviews the kinds of detainers and warrants that, in other words, Choi wasn't going to hold him for what he was in there for. Can I just get rid of them? Can I let him go? The opinion first reviews the kinds of detainers and warrants that federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement issues. Importantly, federal regulations themselves specify that detainers issued by ICE are requests, not commands, which federal courts around the country have also recognized. In other words, ICE was making a request of Choi. In addition, the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution, which reserves all powers not given to the federal government to the states, prohibits the federal government from commandeering state and local officials to enforce federal.

[Kenny Olson]

Regulatory programs, meaning they can't use the locals to help.

[Joe Thompson]

Well, that's the law in Minnesota. This isn't the law in many other states. That happens to be what's taking place here. Next, the opinion addresses whether the continued detention of a person who would otherwise be released from state custody constitutes an arrest under the U.S. and Minnesota Constitutions and concludes that it meets the legal definition of an arrest. Let me. I'm learning myself with you. Next, the opinion addresses whether the continued detention of a person who would otherwise be released from state custody constitutes an arrest. Okay, I get that. If Troy didn't let that guy go, it would be considered an arrest. That's the way I'm interpreting. Then considers Whether an immigration detainer alone, which courts have recognized as a civil matter and not a criminal matter, authorizes Minnesota officials to hold someone based on an immigration detainer and concludes that Minnesota law does not authorize state and local officials to hold or arrest someone based on an immigration detainer. Let me reread that one. It then considers whether an immigration detainer alone. So Choi's got some guy in jail merely on an immigration detainer, which courts have recognized as a civil matter and not a criminal matter. That authorizes Minnesota officials to hold someone based on an immigration detainer and concludes that Minnesota law does not authorize state and local officials to hold or arrest someone based on an immigration detainer, nor does federal law grant such authority. Further, in an unpublished 2019 opinion, the Minnesota Court of Appeals affirmed an injunction prohibiting Nobles county and the Nobles county sheriff from holding people because of immigration.

[Kenny Olson]

Detainers so they can't grab Juan and throw them in the county jail.

[Joe Thompson]

Well, help me, John Haidt. What I interpret this is. Let's say a sheriff in Nobles county stopped Juan for a speeding ticket, and Juan turns out to not be able to, what, prove he's a citizen?

[John Haidt]

Correct.

[Joe Thompson]

Juan was taken to the Nobles County Jail.

[John Haidt]

Right. But he can't be held there.

[Joe Thompson]

But he had to. Well, yes, he could be held there.

[Kenny Olson]

Until he contacts ice or. Is there an amount of time where. I've got to let you go, Juan? That's not specific.

[Joe Thompson]

An arrest is a seizure in both the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. constitution and Article 1, Section 10 of the Minnesota Constitution protect people from unreasonable searches and seizures. Accordingly, the Minnesota Supreme Court has held that a jailer or prison superintendent can be held liable for false imprisonment in an action by a prisoner detained beyond the expiration of his sentence. Because no Minnesota civil law authorizes immigration detainer arrests. Minnesota law enforcement agencies risk significant civil liability if they enforce immigration detainers. Yeah.

[John Haidt]

Okay.

[Joe Thompson]

Well, let's. Let's construct this case of. That's the end of the news release. Call this. Call my friend, the attorney, Peter Wold. He's a criminal defense attorney. He helped us quite a bit during the. The trial of Derek Chauvin. Do you have it?

[Joe Sucere]

Yep.

[Joe Thompson]

All right, give him a call and see if he's got two minutes. One minute. Because I have two other documents I can follow this up on. But so far, what it sounds like to me is that if Minneapolis has in one of its jails an illegal immigrant who. We're reaching, Peter on the air. Tell him hi Peter. Peter.

[Peter Wold]

Joe, how are you?

[Joe Thompson]

Peter Wold was very helpful to this show during the trial of Derek Chauvin and I. I just have a question for you regarding the detention of illegal immigrants, or is that out of your purview? I.

[Peter Wold]

Depends what the question is.

[Joe Thompson]

It is law in Minnesota. Law in Minnesota prohibits state and local law enforcement agencies from holding someone based on an immigration detainer if the person would otherwise be released from custody. Can you break that sentence down and make it even more simple for us?

[Peter Wold]

It's illegal in Minnesota.

[Joe Sucere]

To.

[Joe Thompson]

By.

[Josh Arnold]

Are they.

[Peter Wold]

Are they being held only because they are violating immigration laws or because they violate.

[Josh Arnold]

Been.

[Peter Wold]

Considering charging them with a crime?

[Joe Thompson]

That's a great question because I want to know how the illegal got put in jail in the first place. Could he be. Could he be put in jail for merely being illegal?

[Peter Wold]

Can they be put in jail? They can, I think they can be. Be held pending an appearance in federal court. Joe. I know if the, if there's.

[Joe Sucere]

If.

[Peter Wold]

They'Re holding them to consider criminal charges against them, they can hold them for 48 hours, you know, and for instance, in state court, you can hold them for 36 hours and either charge them or let them go. So it's, it's confusing and it's, you know, just the multiple jurisdictions and makes things complicated for everyone. But just that the answer is no. If it's merely an immigration violation.

[Joe Thompson]

Is.

[Peter Wold]

Is my understanding. And, you know, I'm not, I'm not an immigration lawyer and, but it's, it's, I mean, you know, it's. We're talking about the Insurrection act now. I mean, what, what, what the hell.

[Joe Thompson]

I mean, is it fair to say that the chaos in the streets is a result, however, directly or indirectly, from the refusal by Minnesota to release people with a detainer issued by ICE to ice? In other words, they just released them back into their neighborhoods, and thus ICE still holding this piece of paper saying they're supposed to get Juan Smith, they now have to go find him, and that is resulting in their presence, and they're going up and down streets and knocking on doors and what have you. Am I on the right track? Because they weren't allowed to get this guy in jail. They weren't allowed to be waiting for him when he was released from jail.

[Peter Wold]

You know, I'm not buying that, Joe.

[Joe Thompson]

Okay?

[Peter Wold]

I'm not, I'm not buying that.

[Joe Thompson]

No. How do you see it?

[John Haidt]

I.

[Joe Thompson]

I.

[Peter Wold]

You know, maybe I'm just a different type of conspiracy theorist here, but I think it's Retribution campaign. That's. That's what I think.

[Joe Thompson]

A retribution campaign by the administration. The federal administration.

[Peter Wold]

I do.

[Joe Thompson]

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[Peter Wold]

I do. Yeah.

[Joe Thompson]

You put a lot of bad guys in jail. Well, actually, you've attempted to prevent a lot of bad guys.

[Josh Arnold]

That's a bad advertisement.

[Joe Thompson]

That was. I'm sorry, I meant to say you have saved a lot of bad guys from going to jail.

[Peter Wold]

Yeah, well, that's. That's. Yeah, that's. That's. I mean, at least that's the justice system at work. And a lot of bad guys get put in jail for sure. And that's the way it should work, but not without due process. And that's. That's America, theoretically, you know, should we believe.

[Joe Thompson]

I would hope the answer is yes. Should we believe that if Hennepin county had in jail an illegal immigrant who, who was. Well, if you had an illegal immigrant in jail, charged with murder, I'm sure that would be just taken care of locally, wouldn't it? He.

[John Haidt]

Yeah.

[Peter Wold]

Yeah. And he wouldn't be let out of jail.

[Joe Thompson]

Right, right, right.

[Peter Wold]

Unless he was acquitted. Yeah. Yeah.

[Josh Arnold]

Should be.

[Peter Wold]

Unless it was a federal crime that included murder. It would certainly be. Certainly be held in. In state court. But it could. I mean. Yeah. You know, if there's federal aspects to it, it could be. Could be prosecuted in both.

[Joe Thompson]

From your perspective as a defense attorney, when you look at what happened last week with the shooting of Renee Wood, when you look at what happened last night on 24th in Lindale, what goes through your mind?

[Peter Wold]

What goes through my mind? And I've done this, Been involved in this for years. One, because I'm MPPOA union lawyer that works for the legal defense funds defending cops in Minnesota. They're involved in critical incidents. What happens is the BCA gets involved, a murder investigation ensues against the officer. Because if a death is involved and they go through the process, I mean, and in the huge majority of cases, as you'd expect, the officers were. Rightfully used deadly force. And it's. The case is dismissed. But it is evaluated extensively every time. And that's a good thing. What.

[Joe Thompson]

And.

[Peter Wold]

And that's. That's what should happen here if you want transparency and. And frankly, Ms. Good should be alive today. But.

[Joe Sucere]

Whether.

[Peter Wold]

I mean. And you can't. I mean, obviously there's Everyone seen the videos and different aspects. I think it was. And as you've heard, perhaps black bad police work. To even be in front of that vehicle, whether or not it would amount.

[Joe Thompson]

To.

[Peter Wold]

A criminal offense is something that needs to be thoroughly investigated.

[Joe Thompson]

Right.

[Peter Wold]

And I know the BCA does that religiously and honestly and transparently. And it's a disappointment that it. That it's not going on here, because that's what they would do, no matter whether it was a federal officer or, you know, a junior cop from Cold Springs would be. It would be done meticulously. And.

[John Haidt]

It'S.

[Peter Wold]

That's. That's. That's what should have happened. That's what goes through my mind when I see it. And. And I really. And I. I haven't been listening today, but I. I don't know the details about what happened last night, other than someone was shot in the leg.

[Joe Thompson]

All right, Peter. Thank you. You bet. Thank you. All right, take care. Peter Wall is a. If you're ever in trouble, he's the guy you call. He's one of those guys.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, right.

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[Joe Sucere]

The story you requested, Joe, was sitting to your left.

[Joe Thompson]

Yeah, I don't need it right now, but thank you. Thank you.

[Joe Sucere]

Okay.

[Joe Thompson]

I don't know Peter's politics. It sounds like he believes that.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, does it matter?

[Joe Thompson]

No.

[Joe Sucere]

He has an informed opinion.

[Joe Thompson]

Back onto the streets of Minneapolis. We are calling on Walls and Fry to stop the dangerous policy and commit to honoring ICE arrest detainers of more than 1,360 criminal illegal aliens in Minnesota's custody, said assistant secretary Tricia McLaughlin. It is common sense. Criminal illegal aliens should not be released back onto our streets. To terrorize more innocent Americans. Some of the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens crossed. I'm sorry. Released under Governor Walz and sanctuary politicians policies in Minnesota. Include. And then I have a list of them. Linda Ne Mama Espe George, a criminal illegal alien from Cameroon with charges for cruelty against a child and domestic violence. German Adriano Lagari Inge, a criminal illegal from Ecuador charged with homicide. Now see, I'm very confused. I'm no Walls fan and I'm no Fry fan, but are they releasing a guy charged with homicide? That doesn't make sense to me.

[Kenny Olson]

I hope not.

[Joe Sucere]

Is it them or would it be a prosecutor like the likes of Mary?

[Joe Thompson]

Well, it would be a prosecutor, I.

[Joe Sucere]

Guess that's what I'm saying. So I don't even think it would fall onto the desk of Walzer Fry. Or would it?

[John Haidt]

Okay.

[Kenny Olson]

Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not sure.

[Joe Thompson]

Let me try one more piece.

[Joe Sucere]

Go one way or the other. Is that what you're saying?

[John Haidt]

Let me.

[Joe Thompson]

Let me try one more piece to try to save the context. This is a March 20th piece by somebody named Winter Keefer. March 20th, 2025. This is a min Post piece. All right. Minnesota law prohibits state and local law enforcement agencies from holding people under Immigration and Customs Enforcement detainers. That point was highlighted recently after the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit March 5 last year on behalf of plaintiff Mehcal Javier Suarez Varela, who is suing Carver County Sheriff and Sheriff's deputy for allegedly breaching his Fourth Amendment rights. The complaint claims Soars Varela was illegally detained by the Carver County Sheriff's Office after his bail was paid by the Minnesota Freedom Fund. Instead of releasing Suarez Varela, the lawsuit says the sheriff's office continued to hold Varela due to an ICE request but not an official warrant. Soars Varela was then transferred to federal custody. Minnesota statute states Minnesota law prohibits state and local law enforcement agencies from holding someone based on an immigration detainer if the person would otherwise be released from custody. In the complaint, the ACLU noted that every Minnesota county has been warned for over a decade that it is illegal to honor requests from ICE to hold people also known as detainers without a court order. ACLU Minnesota in the past decade has sent multiple letters to counties about state law, including in 2014, 2017 and 2025. In February just last year, this is what I just read. Attorney General Keith Ellison also issued an opinion that law enforcement could not detain individuals for ice. Carver county declined to comment directly as litigation is ongoing, but said in an email that the county would have a response to the complaint. Posted by March 28, MinPost checked in with other sheriff's offices across the Twin Cities seven county metro to ask what they would do in a case like this, like this one described in Suarez Varela's lawsuit. Those who responded before this story was published had a uniform response. If the lawsuit is accurate about what happened to Suarez Varela, this would not be the policy of any county jail following the law. In other words, they would have released them. ICE detainers are civil administrative actions, not court orders. Excuse me, so a sheriff's office cannot legally hold someone past their state charges, explained Dakota County Sheriff Joe Lecco in an interview with MinPost. The sheriff's office processes individuals who post bail or are released by a judge the same as any other inmate without holding them longer for ICE. This has been a state policy since 2014 and has not changed under the current administration. It might appear that we're not cooperating with the federal government. That's not true, lecco said. We just don't have the authority to Some counties are labeled as sanctuary counties because of this, but this is the case for all counties across the state. A county will simply comply and hold someone in a case where a federal judge issues a formal order for a criminal charge, lako said. Barring that, Minnesota jails cannot hold people simply on request from ice. This is not the case for every state. The difference comes down to the state constitution, according to the opinion issued by Ellison's office, under the US Constitution's Fourth Amendment, law enforcement officers may initiate an arrest if there is probable cause to believe someone committed any crime. However, the Minnesota Constitution affords greater protection against unreasonable searches and seizures and more rigorously limits arrest authority as compared to the U.S. constitution, according to Ellison's recent opinion. Cases like what is alleged in the ACLU lawsuit can send ripple effects through communities, Lecco noted. Communities are already noticing people worried about ice. They're avoiding stores, schools and even court dates. This interrupts due process, lecco said. I know that it's alarming and threatening that when there are a lot of unknowns out there, leco said. Just know that our sheriff's offices and local police departments are here to ensure that everybody has their due process and we're not violating any rights that they have. So in Minnesota, it is against the law for a sheriff or a copper or whatever to merely release a detainee based on an ICE request. Sounds like it sounds like ICE would have to show up with a warrant from A judge.

[John Haidt]

Right. It's legal for them to do it, right? Sounded like you said illegal.

[Joe Thompson]

Illegal. It's legal for Minnesota to not turn someone over to ICE unless ICE shows up at the door with a warrant for Juan Smith written by a judge.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay, so if they have a warrant, then that's a legitimate arrest, and that's why they can detain them.

[Joe Thompson]

No. Don't know. Be quiet.

[Kenny Olson]

No, I'm trying to understand.

[Joe Thompson]

No, no, but you're mixing up two things. One of the confusions here is how did Juan Smith get in jail in the first place?

[Kenny Olson]

Yes.

[John Haidt]

Right.

[Joe Thompson]

I share that confusion. In the case of this one I just read, I don't know why the guy was arrested.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay, xyz.

[Joe Thompson]

I'm so close to being done with this that I can't see straight.

[Joe Sucere]

I would just like to point out that I do think here in the state of Minnesota, there are a number of illegals with the last name Smith.

[Kenny Olson]

But ICE can grab someone and say, we needed Juan because he committed this crime, but they can't hold him at the sheriff's office.

[Joe Thompson]

The coppers can't set the table for them. They can't say, come on in, ice. We've got four guys here who we're gonna release, but they have ICE detainee written all over them. We'll release them to you. In some states, that's what would happen. In Minnesota, that's not what happens. Those detainees are released without notification to I that they're being released. Thus they're back in their neighborhoods. And that might explain, if I'm somewhat on the right track, that might explain why ICE is wandering up and down streets, going in and out of Target and stopping cars, because they know that four people were released yesterday. They're back on the. They're back in public, and we want them, based on our request, to have them arrested. And we. We gotta find out where they are.

[Joe Sucere]

And meanwhile, if MPD or who name your department was able to say, hey, that's a bad house, you guys should investigate it. We could probably minimize a lot of.

[Kenny Olson]

This, but if they come with a warrant, if ICE has a warrant, then it's okay for the sheriff or the local police department to detain them because they have a warrant for their arrest versus just detaining them because their green.

[Joe Thompson]

Card is bad or whatever.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay, so that's the.

[Joe Thompson]

There's a distinction there, but I think it's. Somebody correct me, I think it's fair to say that the chaos we're seeing on the streets and which will unfortunately, continue is because that law is peculiar to Minnesota. It might be peculiar to other states as well, but in Minnesota, the chaos we're seeing is the result of. Minnesota authority has no legal obligation to release detainees to ice. Got it. Okay. Unless Juan Smith. Unless they know that ICE is showing up with a warrant for Juan Smith, they'll hold Juan Smith for ICE in the meantime. Meantime, five other people were let out of jail and they're back in their neighborhoods. You know, it's always my effort to be helpful. I don't even know if that's helpful. Well, I think it is.

[Kenny Olson]

That was helpful right there.

[Joe Thompson]

It's helpful in the sense of understanding why everything appears to be chaotic. Because. Because it is chaotic. It's a chaotic. Now Walls and Fry and Ellison, or maybe the legislature would have to. Would have to construct the law. They could show. They could choose to go the other way. They could choose to say, let's not be that state. Let's be a state where if ICE wants to arrest detainees, we will hold them in the waiting room here until ICE shows up, and then ICE marches away with them in tow. And they're not out on the streets tonight. They're not out on the streets today. They've gotten what they were here for. But our leaders believe, no, we're not doing it that way. We're not going to aid you. We don't have to. We feel that's unreasonable search and seizure. So we're not releasing them to you, basically telling them you'll have to go find them.

[Kenny Olson]

So it's important.

[Joe Thompson]

Johnny Hyde, are you with me so far?

[John Haidt]

I think so. Although as I'm researching all this, I have seen cases where even if the government stepped in and said, we'll hold them, these cases go to a judge, and a judge says, no, it's against the constitution of the state and releases them. So it still could be challenged, I think, even if the state agreed to hold the detainees.

[Joe Sucere]

Right.

[Kenny Olson]

So it's important to note that ICE doesn't have LEO status. They're not law enforcement.

[Joe Thompson]

Well, they are federally. They're not locally.

[Kenny Olson]

So they don't have the same power that a local police department or sheriff's department has.

[Joe Sucere]

But they're federal. Would they have greater power?

[Joe Thompson]

No, because Minnesota has crafted a law specifically to prohibit Minnesota's being complicit in the release of an illegal immigrant without a warrant.

[Joe Sucere]

Okay. I guess I was just always under the assumption that federal law trumped state and local law.

[John Haidt]

That's. Yeah, that's not. That's why the Civil War happened, basically.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Sucere]

No, I'm just, I want to know the truth.

[Joe Thompson]

Okay.

[Joe Sucere]

Thank you.

[Kenny Olson]

But then that's also why they can't just go bang in a door or a window to grab someone because they're ice. They're not law enforcement serving a warrant.

[Joe Thompson]

Well, they. ICE is not allowed to bang on a door or break a window.

[Kenny Olson]

Right. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Thompson]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Thompson]

Why don't we take a time out?

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Joe Thompson]

Huh.

[Kenny Olson]

Figure it all out here.

[Joe Sucere]

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So anyway, once it's you and not me.

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[Joe Thompson]

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[Kenny Olson]

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[Joe Sucere]

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[Joe Thompson]

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[John Haidt]

Thank you Joe. This news update brought to you by North American Banking Company President Trump. You heard this referred to by Peter earlier on the show, threatening this morning to invoke the Insurrection act, allowing him to deploy troops as protests against Immigration and Customs Enforcement persist in Minneapolis. The President made the threat after a federal officer shot a man in the leg in Minneapolis last night after being attacked with a shovel and a broom handle. The incident further heightened the sense of fear and anger radiating across the city. Trump has repeatedly threatened to invoke the rarely used federal law to deploy the US Military or federalize the National Guard for domestic law enforcement over the objections of state governors. Last night in Minneapolis, more smoke filled the streets near the site of the lady shooting as federal officers fired tear gas into a small crowd while protesters threw rocks and shot fireworks. Police Chief Ron o' Harris said during a news conference the gathering was an unlawful assembly and that people needed to leave. Things later began to quiet down at the scene and by early Thursday, fewer demonstrator, fewer demonstrators and law enforcement officers were on the scene. In a statement describing the events that led to the shooting, Homeland Security said federal law enforcement officer stopped a person from Venezuela who was in the US Illegally. The person drove away and crashed into a parked car before taking off on foot. After officers reached the person, two other people arrived from a nearby apartment and all three started attacking the officer, DHS said. Fearing for his life and safety as he was being ambushed by the individuals, he fired a defensive shot. The two people who came out of the apartment are in custody. O' Hara said the man shot was in the hospital with a non life threatening injury.

[Joe Thompson]

Okay, let's break it down. Two things. If Minnesota did not have the law it has, and they had turned this fellow over to ICE earlier in the day, the events of last night presumably would not have happened. Is that a reasonable assumption?

[Joe Sucere]

That's fair. Yeah, that's fair.

[Joe Thompson]

Because no one would have known anything to complain about. Right. And two, once this all went down and the suspect was wounded in the leg and taken to the hospital and the officer was taken in the hospital, why didn't ICE just get in their cars and leave? Why did that go on for hours and hours and hours of throwing flash bombs and fireworks and tear gas? Why not just go, you got your guy, let's go? I don't understand that part either.

[Joe Sucere]

I don't either. Are you bringing up Walls, Johnny?

[John Haidt]

I got it right here. As a matter of fact, yes.

[Joe Sucere]

I'll wait then.

[John Haidt]

Shortly after all of that happened. Last night, in a speech that had been scheduled before the events, Governor Walls addressed Minnesotans described the 2,000 to 3,000 federal agents as armed, masked and under trained. The governor alleged agents are going door to door to homes around the state, asking residents to point out where their non white neighbors live. He said it's a campaign of organized brutality against the people of Minnesota by our own federal government. Walls added that President Trump wants chaos, confusion and violence on the streets of Minnesota, saying we cannot give him what he wants. The governor also reminded Minnesotans it is their right to peacefully film ICE agents encouraging residents to use their phones to film suspected federal law enforcement activity whenever safely able to.

[Joe Thompson]

Well, let's ask a rhetorical question. Is this law that Minnesota has reasonable. In other words, does the health, welfare and safety and orderliness of the American of the Minnesota law abiding citizen, taxpayer. Trump, Trump, lowercase T Trump the convenience given to someone who has an ICE detainee tag on them?

[Kenny Olson]

Ask it again.

[Joe Sucere]

I don't think so.

[Joe Thompson]

Minnesota has a law that prohibits law enforcement from releasing detainees to ice.

[Joe Sucere]

Yep.

[Joe Thompson]

Unless ICE shows up with a warrant. That law is very much in favor of the convenience of the detainee. That's a good break for the detainee.

[Kenny Olson]

Yes.

[John Haidt]

Correct.

[Joe Thompson]

Is why a lot of them is that break trump the health, safety and well being of an average Minnesota neighborhood?

[Joe Sucere]

I think the answer.

[Joe Thompson]

Get what I'm trying to say?

[Joe Sucere]

Yes, but I think the answer comes down to someone's personal opinion.

[Joe Thompson]

Well, the personal. The opinions in Minnesota are legal opinions and it's interesting to note that they coincide directly with the mystery. For sure, they coincide directly with the mystery. But does that.

[Kenny Olson]

Do you think there's different levels of. If someone is wanted for homicide or.

[Joe Thompson]

I don't think. I don't think they're getting out.

[Kenny Olson]

They got the warrant and they're keeping those.

[Joe Thompson]

Yes, they're my question too.

[John Haidt]

If you have somebody who's arrested who's an illegal immigrant who's charged like that worst of worst list you had. Yeah. They're held, correct.

[Joe Thompson]

I gotta think they are.

[John Haidt]

So it's just a legal image.

[Kenny Olson]

The guy that's doing three card Monty or whatever and he's got a low crime.

[Joe Thompson]

Now, this Venezuelan who was shot last night in the leg.

[John Haidt]

Yeah.

[Joe Thompson]

We don't know why he was in jail in the first place, but we do know by his actions that he certainly didn't want to be captured. No. So.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, he took off right away.

[Joe Thompson]

But by law, Minnesota could not release him to ice. By our laws, they could not release him to ice. That leaves ICE scrambling to find him. Then you get what you had last night.

[Kenny Olson]

Chaos.

[Joe Thompson]

So is this law worth it to the people of Minnesota or does this phrase cover it? There is no illegal people on stolen land. In other words. Well, in other words, is what's driving this Minnesota sentiment the mystery, or is there sound legal constitutional reasons for not cooperating with ice? Our state has found there to be sound constitutional reasons for not cooperating with ice.

[Joe Sucere]

I'll answer your question this way. I think. I don't think that this benefits the state. I'm willing to be wrong. And I'd also like to know how many other states have this same law in place in addition to us?

[Joe Thompson]

I think it's becoming clearer to me. I think the soundness of the Minnesota law is based on turning over someone to ICE without a warrant is an infringement on illegal search and seizure. Yeah.

[John Haidt]

So somebody who's just an illegal immigrant.

[Joe Thompson]

Right.

[John Haidt]

Is what you're saying is Minnesota's.

[Joe Thompson]

So it might sound like the mystery, but it probably isn't. Minnesota is upholding the right of an individual in this country to have due process. If ICE shows up without a warrant, which constructs due process, we don't have to release them to you based on the laws we've crafted in this state. Can I get an amen? Amen.

[Kenny Olson]

I follow that.

[Joe Sucere]

Oddly enough, the reason I asked if John was doing the wall story is. I'd like to get your thoughts on the governor's comments from last night.

[Joe Thompson]

I'm so weary of him. And he is not helpful at all. He could have chosen his remarks to be much calmer than they were. I agree. He is not a leader who is trying to tamp down the effects of this. He's going back to his George Floyd mode.

[Joe Sucere]

Yes.

[Joe Thompson]

He is not taking steps to bring peace to the streets. He could have explained exactly what I'm trying to explain. He could explain. Ladies and gentlemen, In Minnesota, we have laws that protect all of us, all of us from illegal searches and seizures. That even means a guy who ICE wants on an illegal, on an immigration detainer. If ICE would show up, ladies and gentlemen, with a warrant, we will certainly release that individual to ice. We will not release individuals just based on ICE saying they want them. They better show up with the paperwork. He could have said that. Instead, he's. It was another opportunity for him to go on his war against Trump, especially.

[Joe Sucere]

Considering the fact that he's not running again.

[John Haidt]

Right.

[Joe Sucere]

There's no reason for him to continue to placate this base.

[John Haidt]

Well, and to me, that was the weird part. When I first heard, I didn't know anything about it, and then somebody in my house said, hey, Walls is talking. So I watched a little bit of it and I thought, is this needed? I mean, everybody who's dealing with this situation.

[Joe Sucere]

Right.

[John Haidt]

Knows everything he's saying and, you know, feels the way they feel about it. Why even go.

[Joe Thompson]

Walls is guilty of fanning flames.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, 100%.

[Joe Sucere]

And, oh, by the way, several students.

[Joe Thompson]

Which is what I would expect of a vainglorious, petty buffoon.

[Joe Sucere]

And by the way. So Walls welcomed Minnesota high school students for a walkout in protest of ICE at the state Capitol building. And there's videos surfacing everywhere right now. They basically all started fighting each other.

[Joe Thompson]

Leaders look at the whole picture and try to calm it down. He's not doing that. That. Yeah, we.

[John Haidt]

We don't really have that in America at this point.

[Joe Thompson]

We don't. We don't. We don't have it at the top. We don't have it here. We don't have it in mayor's offices. We're in a very, very strange place.

[Joe Sucere]

Except for Gumption County.

[Joe Thompson]

Except right here, you're mayor. A group of many people are turning against. Joe, and all I'm trying to. To do is figure it all out.

[Joe Sucere]

That's right.

[John Haidt]

We. We still love you, Joy.

[Joe Thompson]

I know.

[John Haidt]

At least most of us.

[Kenny Olson]

Strong, like, for a lot. It's kind of gone from long love to.

[John Haidt]

A group of 33 former federal prosecutors in Minnesota are asking the Trump administration to reconsider its decision to exclude the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension from the investigation into the fatal shooting of Renee Good. In interviews, former prosecutors said the scale of the departure is unprecedented in Minnesota. Will hamper the government's ability to prosecute fraudsters. All of this, which Trump officials have cited as the reason for bringing 3,000 ICE agents into the state.

[Joe Thompson]

That's not the reason he's ruining it for Minnesota. Trump is ruining. He's helping walls ruin Minnesota. He's conflating fraud with immigration problems. They're not the same.

[John Haidt]

Former U.S. attorney Tom Heffelfinger. Now, did Kenny have Tom on yesterday?

[Joe Sucere]

We attempted to have him on.

[John Haidt]

He wasn't on. Well, maybe here's why he was yesterday. He was part of the people that signed this letter. He was appointed, of course, by two Republican presidents. He said there is clear need for a joint criminal investigation by state and federal officials. He said such cooperation has been standard in all cases in Minnesota for decades. Heffelfinger said, if this is not a civil rights case, I don't know what is. He walked up to her when she wasn't a threat to him. He stood there with his gun out and shot through the windshield. Anders Folk, who served as acting U.S. attorney in 2021, said he also seized for a joint criminal investigation in Good's death. Folks said something is deeply wrong. And former U.S. attorney Andrew Luger has been out of the country, but issued a statement saying it's in the public interest for local and federal law enforcement to conduct a thoroughfare and unbiased investigation without presupposing the result. Justice demands it.

[Joe Thompson]

I think that officer tainted his case with his concluding two words after he fired the three shots.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, that's bad. And then leaving. And then leaving.

[Joe Thompson]

Leaping bitch. And then walked away. Now, we're supposed to believe he had internal bleeding. Protocol for internal bleeding is you stay in the hospital overnight unless the bleeding is merely manifesting itself by a bruise which doctors sign off on. He. He didn't spend the overnight in the hospital and he didn't show any signs of being injured. Maybe he was. I don't know. I don't know. But internal. When I'm internally bleeding, I want you to keep me overnight.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, make sure.

[Joe Thompson]

I want you to check everything.

[Kenny Olson]

Does it stop? Make sure?

[Joe Thompson]

Yeah, Making sure it's all plugged up. Will you?

[Kenny Olson]

The capillaries are working properly.

[John Haidt]

That was my next story. But I guess now we can. We can move on. All right, just ignore that one. In fact, why don't we at this point take a short break and hear from our friend Mr. Reavers.

[Joe Sucere]

Thank you, Johnny. Let's talk about Hofferman Water and Kinetico. I got a great email from Gary, by the way, thanking me for recommending Hofferman Water and Kinetico. He had a brand new drinking water system installed just before Christmas and he said, I cannot believe it. Reivers was actually right. So I don't know, do I take that as for once?

[Joe Thompson]

Yes. You take them where you find them.

[Kenny Olson]

Run with it.

[Joe Sucere]

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[John Haidt]

Johnny thanks, Chris. One other Minnesota related story. The federal government is once again targeting Minnesota in court, this time alleging the state's affirmative action program for hiring civil servants amounts to sex and race based discrimination. US Attorney General Pam Bondi says the Justice Department has no tolerance for such policies. A lawsuit claims Minnesota's policy violates Title 7 of the Civil Rights act of 1964. State statute describes the affirmative action plan as a measure to, quote, assure that positions in the executive branch of the civil service are equally accessible to all qualified persons and to eliminate the effects of past and present discrimination on the basis of protected group status. Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dillon, head of the DOJ's civil rights division, said her office was hopeful the case would be the next frontier in dismantling affirmative action following a 2023 U.S. supreme Court opinion that ruled colleges could not consider race in admissions.

[Joe Thompson]

I agree.

[John Haidt]

Vice President J.D. vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio met with the foreign ministers of Denmark and Greenland Yesterday in Washington, D.C. the meeting came as President Trump ramped up pressure over Greenland, saying the US Would not accept anything less than full control of the world's largest island. Talks didn't go great. No progress, according to everyone involved made on the talks, with Denmark and Greenland ministers holding fast on their earlier remark that Greenland had come no interest in being under the US Control. The two sides, however, did agree to create a working group to discuss ways to work through differences as the president continues to call for US Takeover of the semi autonomous territory of NATO ally Denmark. Update to a story we've been talking about. Iran has, quote, no plan for hanging people. That according to the country's top diplomat Abbas Argachi, that's always told, wait a.

[Joe Sucere]

Minute, they don't have a plan.

[Joe Thompson]

We're not going to hang.

[John Haidt]

Well, remember they were going to hang a guy yesterday. We talked about that. Yeah, Arbus. No Abbas, I'm sorry, abbas told Fox News in an interview when asked about the anti government protests in the country. There is no plan for hanging, he said. I can tell you I'm confident there is no plan, stressing that no hanging would take place today or tomorrow or any day. His statements follow comments by President Trump to reporters at the Oval Office saying he received assurances from very important sources on the other side that the killings had stopped and that planned executions would not go ahead. Earlier on Wednesday, Iran's judiciary had signaled that swift trials and executions were coming for people detained in nationwide protests. Facing pressure from the White House, the Smithsonian Smithsonian Institution this week handed the Trump administration new materials and documents for its planned exhibits and events during the U.S. s 250th birthday this year. In August, the White House had given the Smithsonian a January deadline to ensure the museums were in alignment with President Trump's March executive order to, quote, celebrate American exceptionalism, remove any divisive or partisan narratives and restore confidence in our shared cultural institutions. Institutions. Domestic Policy Council Director Vince Haley and White House Office of Management and Budget Director Russell Vogt gave Bunch an outline in December that detailed what still needed to be submitted. Haley and Vogt wrote that the Smithsonian's previous submission fell far short of what was requested. The president has sought to change the Smithsonian by having it portray a positive retelling of historical events in American history, whether they were positive or negative. He signed an executive order seeking to remove ideological indoctrination or divisive narratives that distort our shared history. The White House threatened to withhold funds to the museum system if it did not submit additional documentation for content review. The global music industry hit 5.1 trillion streams in 2025. That's a new single year record of 9.6% from 2024. And according to a 2025 year end report from Luminate, an industry data and analytics company that provides insight into changing behaviors across music listenership in the US on demand audio streams hit 1.4 trillion, a 4.6 increase from last year. But attention is on older music. Less than half all US on demand audio streams, 43%, were from tracks released in the last last five years. There's two exceptions. Taylor Swift's the Life of a Showgirl and Morgan Wallen's I'm the Problem, both of which surpassed 5 million album equivalent units in a single year. That's a combination of sales.

[Joe Thompson]

Hey, I got a question. How come oldies stations are always playing the same song?

[John Haidt]

How about some new oldies geniuses? Just like last year and the year before. When it comes to overall music streaming, the US R&B and hip hop still lead once again, accounting for more than one in every four streams stateside. In 2025, rapid R&B accounted for almost 350 billion on demand streams. It's followed by rock with 260.5 billion and pop with 167.2 billion. Rounding out the top five country with 122 and a half billion and Latin music with 120.9 billion. All of those up from the previous year.

[Joe Thompson]

So if you stream us, if you play a song on your phone, that's considered streaming.

[John Haidt]

Correct.

[Joe Thompson]

Okay.

[Joe Sucere]

Just like when they listen to the show.

[Joe Thompson]

Right?

[John Haidt]

And so you get 23.98 if you've streamed about a million times.

[Joe Sucere]

If you're an artist, Johnny. I can concur. My 14 year old, the. The young man that you want once scared when he was an infant, when he was in the studio, you know what song he or what group he chooses to listen to.

[Kenny Olson]

Song Sung Blue ccr.

[John Haidt]

Really interesting.

[Joe Sucere]

I thought, wow.

[Joe Thompson]

All I know is that when I get a credit card statement, oh, there's a lot of $0.99 bills. And it must be that girls are doing something. Oh yeah.

[John Haidt]

Picking up some Taylor Swift, some music, huh?

[Joe Thompson]

Weekend.

[Joe Sucere]

You add those up every once in a while.

[Joe Thompson]

I'm not going to Meghan Trainer.

[John Haidt]

Yeah, here's how you probably should not act in front of a judge. A man accused of firing a gun outside of Romulus Middle School. This happened in Michigan, by the way. Appeared in court and immediately began cussing out the judge. Sean Taz Gregory, 44 years old, of Romulus, has been charged with false report or threat of terrorism schools intentional threat to commit act of violence against school school employees or students with specific intent to carry out an overt act, along with several other charges. Gregory allegedly fired a gun several times while he was about a foot away from the middle school. His son was attending the school at the time. Nobody was injured. Gregory appeared in court and he immediately went on a profanity laced rant. The judge asked him to state his name for the record. Gregory said, said, nope, Good bleeping by. Don't need to talk to me. Quit bleeping, playing with me. He was then asked by his case.

[Kenny Olson]

It's a great icebreaker, huh, judge?

[John Haidt]

That's just the beginning.

[Joe Thompson]

Oh, boy.

[John Haidt]

He's then asked by the judge again to state his name. Gregory said, did you hear that? I said, good bleeping by. I don't need to talk to you. Goodbye. Don't play with me. Don't play with my son either. Goodbye. I can open that door. I'm ready. The hell? The judge tried again, said they need his name. He said, I don't want to see no bleeping judge. Goodbye, sir. I need you to state your name for the record, please. The judge Gregory answered, nope. I said, I don't need no bleeping judge.

[Kenny Olson]

Let's just kind of keep going.

[Joe Thompson]

Then he left immediately for Minnesota where he was named head of the Department of Education.

[Kenny Olson]

Right.

[John Haidt]

He was asked to reply to the allegations against him and said, this is the fakest bleep I've ever seen in my life. Fakest. You're going to actually act like this, huh? This bleep is fake. Sorry. It's bleep and racist too. Bunch of racists doing this stuff. So I'm done. I'm done.

[Joe Thompson]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[John Haidt]

This is once more. He then cussed out the judge and.

[Kenny Olson]

What was his crime? John, I'm sorry.

[Joe Sucere]

You said that. Shooting at a school.

[John Haidt]

Yeah. Threats against school.

[Joe Thompson]

Okay.

[John Haidt]

He ended everything by looking at the judge and saying, why don't you go get a real job? Great.

[Kenny Olson]

Was also like a burgers king.

[John Haidt]

Also arraigned on a second matter for failing to appear in court. There was a warrant against him. He's scheduled to appear in court again on Tuesday, January 20th.

[Kenny Olson]

Is that going as permanent record or is that just temporary?

[John Haidt]

Good luck, Gregory.

[Joe Thompson]

Thanks, Johnny.

[John Haidt]

Yeah.

[Joe Thompson]

Joel from Regan Notes. Imagine my surprise. The first Attorney General Debate question. If Joe Thompson ran against Keith Ellison. Thompson. I oversaw a major fraud investigation involving schemes that defrauded state safety net programs of billions of dollars with more than 90 people charged since 2022 and over 60 convicted, which is just the tip of the iceberg. Allison. Well, I won 632 grand for Menards. Hey, now.

[Kenny Olson]

Accuracy.

[Joe Thompson]

Boy, wouldn't he be a great Attorney General. He'd be a great anything in this state, wouldn't he?

[John Haidt]

Wonderful.

[Joe Sucere]

By the way, speaking as long as you brought him up, I was reading online this morning that are they now claiming that they were fired and they did not resign? John?

[Joe Thompson]

No, I have not seen that.

[Joe Sucere]

Okay.

[John Haidt]

I think they all resigned and we. We know why.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, I just saw Bondi and that's. I thought. Oh God, please don't tell me that. That that's the case.

[Joe Thompson]

I'm done. Please don't use my name. I just got home after working the last 15 hours between two different jobs, only to turn on the TV to see more drama playing out on the 10pm news. I am exhausted from working two jobs to make ends meet. I'm exhausted from looking at my paycheck stub showing 40% of my meager earnings taken to taxes and program state. I'm exhausted for the ridiculous media in this state. I'm exhausted from the narrative that this once great state is shoving down all our throats. I know I'm not alone. I have to leave this state. It is a cancer and it is killing me emotionally and financially. I feel no hope for calm and common sense to be restored here. The politicians and media do not want that. I am heartbroken and scared. As a single woman, it is difficult to make these major life changes by myself. I have never felt more like I live in a third world country than I do today. I am seeking exile in another state. Side note, I work in the government. I work at the county level in elections of all sectors. Every day I listen to you and want so badly to call and text you with my thoughts, but know that I must remain silent. I feel like common sense will never win here again. I know we are dealing with great amounts of financial fraud and I do not doubt that election fraud could be found if really looked for. The powers that be will never admit or want that, though that would be the truth. I am feeling so lost, confused and heartbroken. I look to you every day for guidance, often listening to your shows multiple times to fully absorb it all. Help me. I and many others need you keep fighting the fight. Thank you for what you do. And I'm not supposed to use her name. That's so sad. That is just sad.

[Kenny Olson]

She works for the government.

[Joe Thompson]

That's sad. That's what that is.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, that's sad.

[Joe Thompson]

It could be worse. Young lady, who wrote, dad, you could live in Illinois, where the teachers union. The teachers union has been circulating a flyer on social media urging the public to pressure state leaders to tax billionaires to fund struggling public institutions. But they spelled governor wrong. Oh, come on.

[Joe Sucere]

Come on.

[Joe Thompson]

You know those evil wealthy people, they don't pay their fair share, you know? Well, they pay. They pay it all. I don't know what they pay all the taxes that you collect. I don't know what. But they spelled. Please tell Governor Pritzker G, O, V, E, R, N, E, R. Are they British? Governor, that's the teachers union in Chicago.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, The Leering center. They work at the Leering Center.

[Joe Thompson]

The Leering center. I also took note of this because it's very important to me, and I've noticed this before. See, now that I walk in the street, as opposed to safety. Well, the sidewalks are pretty much clear now, but the corners aren't. So to access the sidewalk, you're taking your life in your hand because of the junk that was left at the end of the sidewalk and the curb. You got your icy situation to the.

[Joe Sucere]

Point where he corners Fratelloni.

[Joe Thompson]

On Tuesday, I fell in front of Fratelloni's old man's house.

[Joe Sucere]

Mike, tell your old man to get out there with some salt, some grit. Hey, by the way, do you know what he told me in response to that? I don't think he'd mind me sharing this publicly. There's a law in the state of Minnesota, and they know this because of the properties that they own, that if someone slips and falls on your property without you removing the snow, you're not liable. If you remove the snow, they slip and fall, you are liable. Isn't that insane?

[Joe Thompson]

That makes no sense.

[Joe Sucere]

Of course it does. Welcome to Minnesota.

[Joe Thompson]

I can tell you a little. You know, I got Sushire sense of snow, based on the novel Smila's Sense of Snow. Sushire sense of snow is snow is much easier to walk on than ice. Obviously, you gain a little purchase on snow. What happened during this last golden round of weather was the snow got shoveled, but I wasn't here. But apparently there was some rain involved.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Thompson]

And it froze. So you've got the worst possible combination, which is an un shovel mess on the sidewalk. That's just ice. So I Don't know where that leaves the state law. The snow's gone, but there's ice. I'm not suing Mr. Fratelloni. Right. That's my fault that I'm. I have a sense of ice and I should not have gone down. But what that did now, it turned me back to the streets. I'm only walking in streets where there's bare pavement right down the middle. No, but what that has alerted me to is you can't hear these damn electric cars. So you really gotta watch what you're doing. You know, Your head's gotta be on a swivel.

[Joe Sucere]

Right? You wanna know if you're walking, then you're walking facing traffic.

[Joe Thompson]

I walk against traffic on both sides of the street. Now, that leads me to point out that more than 80,000 Chevrolets have been recalled because they don't make enough noise. Come on. Huh? Huh? They've been recalled because their pedestrian alert system is defective. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration warned owners in a December notice that certain 2025 to 2026 model year Chevrolet Equinox EV vehicles. Is that what you have? But you have gas?

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, I don't have an Equinox. I have a traverse.

[Joe Thompson]

Same thing. Close enough?

[Joe Sucere]

No, it's not right.

[Joe Thompson]

Fail to meet federal traffic safety laws because they do not comply with minimum sound requirements for hybrid and electric vehicles. General Motors made the determination after discovering that the pedestrian alert sound system may have been an incorrect software calibration, meaning they won't be able to produce exterior sound at the required relative volume when the vehicle is traveling from stationary to 6.2 miles per hour. You think these cars don't have a lot of technology in them? They gotta make a noise when they go from stop to 6.2. Let's do it. I'll take that over. Over being snuck up on the regulate. The regulator said in the recall notice that some pedestrians may not be able to determine by sound whether an approaching vehicle is speeding up or slowing down, risking their safety. Well, I'll be damned. Chevrolet shows off the new model. Oh, that's a cut line. A GM engineer submitted a report to the automaker speak up for safety program in September following internal testing of a 2025 Chevrolet Equinox EV. That test showed that the vehicle failed the federal requirements under the federal motor vehicle safety standard number 141, which dictates the relative volume change when a vehicle travels from 0 to 10 kilometers according to the recall. So let that be a list. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Joe Sucere]

You know Some are gonna complain that I did play the civil defense siren, which you're not supposed to do when you're on the radio, but we are not under the jurisdiction guidelines of the fcc. Yeah, and by the way, I have a very good friend that. That's his wife's ringtone.

[Joe Thompson]

Really?

[John Haidt]

She calls.

[Joe Sucere]

That's what goes on.

[Joe Thompson]

Air raid.

[Joe Sucere]

Air raid.

[Joe Thompson]

That's pretty.

[Kenny Olson]

Take cover. She's on the prowl.

[Joe Thompson]

What's this? This is a letter from a fellow who has moved. Fellow named Marshall, who has moved from here to Florida. I have to say this, but I have to agree with what you're saying about Trump and ice. Having Trump double down on ICE agents doesn't do the state of Minnesota any good. The question is always asked, well, if you're so smart, what would you do? So what would I have done after the shooting death of Minnesota if I was Trump? This is what I would have done. I would have pulled the majority of ICE agents out of Minnesota. As for the agents left there, I would have created a far more clandestine force. Then I would let the protesters protest themselves out of energy. After things had quieted down, I would let ICE work quietly to find those on the list and arrest them. Maybe sue the cities for not cooperating. Well, there's no suit there, Marshall. We have a law that prohibits it for not cooperating with deportation orders when you already have the bad guy in your jail on a retention order. But I would stop with the army of ICE officers on the street. That's just what the left will use to protest and campaign against anything and everything on the right that Trump will do. The press will not help to justify Trump's actions by showing the criminal record of the arrestee. They will only show ICE pushing old ladies down and fighting in the street. It's a complete non winner. At the same time, you're moving ICE agents out. I would send whatever agents Joe Thompson needs to continue to prosecute all the fraud in Minnesota. Nikki might have wrote this not knowing Thompson has left us. Okay. I would send in IRS agents, TSA investigators to stop the cash flying out of Minneapolis on airplanes. Provide whatever assistance needed to find, expose and prosecute as much fraud as I possibly. Okay. The point is that he left the state. He was a 60 year resident of Minnesota, but moved to Florida because of taxes, Democrat politics, and the destruction of Minneapolis. I now watch Minnesota from afar and was having some hope of a new day in Minnesota because all the fraud was being exposed. But now a few bad decisions by Trump and he has sealed the Fate of Minnesota power to democratic power, probably forever. Best of luck to all. G ellers. And to all of Minnesota. Marshall from Estero, Florida. I know, Marshall. Thank you. I don't know, man. I'm not going with the island. Got it. That wasn't Estero. Only because they come to us all the way.

[Joe Sucere]

I need you to do one thing before you do that.

[John Haidt]

Oh, hey, what do we do know? Yeah, who do we know this week?

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, let's go out with it.

[Joe Thompson]

This week's gler is none other.

[Joe Sucere]

Come on.

[Joe Thompson]

Than Daniel Collins of Blaine, Minnesota. Here's the shipping information. Daniel Collins. No, I'm not supposed to read that. Don't read that part. He gets the Masters Maples gift pack.

[Joe Sucere]

That's right.

[Joe Thompson]

And boy, is he going to enjoy that, isn't he?

[Joe Sucere]

And if you'd like to become the Gler of the week, just upgrade to a annual town council [e-mail] GLER of.

[Joe Thompson]

The Week, Daniel Collins of Blaine, Minnesota. Congratulations. Here, I'll give this back to you because you might need that address.

[Joe Sucere]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Thompson]

I hope it's the correct one.

[Kenny Olson]

You mean the Correct Dan Collins 1, 2, 3 Address?

[Joe Thompson]

Only because they come to us all the way from Kiowawka, New Zealand. From the traveling lineman. It was on this day.

[Joe Sucere]

Joe.

[Joe Thompson]

Today is January 15th in 1829, Jacob H. Stewart was born. In 1864, Dr. Stewart became St. Paul's first Republican mayor and his last and.

[Kenny Olson]

The last and the last.

[Joe Thompson]

And he would also serve the state as a congressman and as surgeon general. Stewart Avenue in St. Paul is named for him. Did not know that on this day, Jan.15 in 1849, Henry H. Sibley was admitted to Congress as the delegate of the Wisconsin territory. This title was remarkable, for the bulk of Wisconsin territory had already been formed into a state. But the citizens of the remaining part, St. Croix county, had sent Sibley to Washington to represent them. On this day, Jan.15 in 1851, James M. Goodhue, editor of the Minnesota Pioneer, brawled in the street with Joseph Cooper, brother of territorial judge David Cooper. Cooper was upset because Goodhue printed a libelous column about his brother which included the phrases, he is a miserable drunkard stuffed with arrogance, self conceit and a ridiculous affectation of dignity.

[Kenny Olson]

Sounds like worse than the Grinch.

[Joe Thompson]

Goodhue was stabbed and Cooper shot during the fracas, but both survived. Boy, that's when the newspapers just cut loose, didn't they? Yeah. Huh, huh, huh. On this day in sports disappointment history, what would we lose to? On this day, what's the date January 15th. In 1975, the Twins released Harmon Killebrew.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, Calvin.

[Joe Sucere]

To see him in.

[Joe Thompson]

Played one more year for the Royals.

[Joe Sucere]

Didn't he also try out with the A's?

[Joe Thompson]

I don't think so.

[Joe Sucere]

I thought I have.

[Joe Thompson]

On this day, Jan.15.

[Kenny Olson]

Moving on.

[Joe Thompson]

In 1983, the Vikings lost a divisional round playoff to the Redskins 21 7. On this day in 1997, Dennis Rodman kicked photographer famous Amos during a Timberwolves game.

[Joe Sucere]

Famous Amos got paid too.

[Joe Thompson]

On this day, Jan.15. In 2019, the Timberwolves played Jimmy Butler for the first time after the trade gives up 83 points in the first half. Does that mean he had already gone to another team?

[Joe Sucere]

He was with Miami, I would assume, right?

[Joe Thompson]

Whatever.

[John Haidt]

Yeah, I think so.

[Joe Thompson]

Well, on this day, Jan.15, there's more. Just, just two years ago, you know, January 15, 2023, number three seed Vikings lost the wild card game to the Giants. Oh, God. Yeah. That's it for today. G. Ellers and I, I thank you very much.

[Joe Sucere]

Kirk Cousins finding the defining moment on 4th and 6 through at 2 yards.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, you got to get her there. You got to gain that extra four.

[Joe Thompson]

It's a tough one.

[Joe Sucere]

Thanks, Kirky. Hey, do us a favor.

[Joe Thompson]

He's made a lot of money.

[Kenny Olson]

Boy, has he.

[Joe Sucere]

He's a very coming back though.

[Kenny Olson]

Is he coming back?

[Joe Sucere]

Hey, let's do what now? Let's do us a favor. Hit the subscribe button on the Garage Logic YouTube channel where you can watch the show each and every single day starting right around noon. And you can also see full segments, video shorts, behind the scenes footage. It's all there for you. Just search Garage logic on your YouTube along with all of our social media channels, which includes Facebook, Instagram and X. And also sign up for the Daily Logician. That's an email that comes right to your inbox each and every single day. And it includes the most recent episode of the podcast. Find out more and sign up [e-mail]. It is time once again that we check in with our guy, Mr. Money Talk. Josh Arnold is with us once again right here in garagelogic. And now is the time for you to do the same. So do not delay. Do exactly what I did and pick up that phone and dial 952-925-5608. That number once again is 952-925-5608. When you call that number, you're going to get Josh and he is there for you for that free, I use the word free. 48 minute financial consultation with absolutely zero obligation. And he will always give you the straight talk, he will never give you the sugar coated advice. And he is on the line with us once again right here in Garage Logic. And boy, Josh, chips, the chips are pretty good.

[Josh Arnold]

Chips are very good. I don't know what kind of chips that you like, whether you like potato chips, corn chips, avocado chips, or you're not a fan of chicken chips. You're more into pretzels. But chips are, chips are very, very good, good today. And we're not just talking, as we said, about corn chips. Tater chip coming from the leading manufacturer of chips, that being Frito Lay, which is owned by, owned by a little company called Pepsi Cola. And of course with sports and big sporting events coming up, not only this weekend, but on Monday night with a college championship and then leading into the Super bowl bowl and watching basketball and hockey, chips are still going to be big. And that could help the Frito Lay division of Pepsi Cola and it also could help Pepsi and Coke going forward. Speaking of Coke, there's been some management shake up I guess, yet Coca Cola's products better position going forward. Coke, as that's always said, is a global, as a very global brand and just the stock itself could be considered a global mutual fund as it sells over 200 different products in over 200 countries. Not to mention of course Coke pays a nice 3% yield and they've had a history of increasing that, that payout when it comes to the chips. And why the chips are good today and might not have been as good yesterday. Well, yesterday there was concerns about interest rates and if interest rates start ticking up or do move up, semiconductors and the chips tend to go down. As the belief is that these companies need a lot of money to continue to operate. If interest rates go up, the cost of their borrowing tends to go up. And airports are worries about international trade, et cetera, et cetera. Now this morning, Taiwan Semiconductor, the leading manufacturer of chips, the leading fab company of chips, reported their numbers. And if you weren't in Taiwan Semiconductor yesterday, well, you'd have to pay 7% more today as Taiwan Semiconductor rocketed up. Or as my friend Chris Dvorak of Dvorak Technical Research likes to say, gap up. It had a big, big move on the backs of better than expected earnings, increased capital expenditures and commentary indicating that demand for chip and particularly high end chips is increasing. So that could well have burst the bubble. Talk about artificial intelligence being in a bubble. As demand is still very, very strong for chips for not for the hyperscalers and also for higher end smartphones. Taiwan Semiconductor does have plants in the United States, one of which is devoted primarily to manufacturing chips for my favorite fruit company Apple. But the plus from Taiwan Semi has been felt through the other chip makers that it does manufacture chips for, including Nvidia, Marvel, Advanced Micro Devices, amd, all of them are up and the pretty much the entire chip complex is up as well which is why the chip today are good and are recovering from weakness over the last several months. As we get in further into earnings, we'll see intel reporting the middle of year next next next week and intel to some extent can be considered a little bit of a turnaround and analysts are I'll say semi warming up to intel potential going going forward and that could be interesting and should be we'll say an earnings report to pay attention to next week when it comes to looking at chips still have a ways to go to look at Nvidia which is the still the number one company by market capitalization in the we'll say the S and P and in the Nasdaq and their earnings aren't going to be they're not going to be out until next month in February. But in the meantime if you can we'll say extrapolate the news coming from Taiwan Semi as being positive for the chip that help alleviate some of your concerns about Semis and also alleviate some of the bubble talk which I frankly don't buy.

[Joe Sucere]

Excellent Advice as always, Mr. MoneyTalk. You heard MGLers. Now is the time for you to pick up the phone and make the call for that free 48 minute financial consultation again with zero obligation. And you do that just like I did by dialing 952-5608 where you always get straight talk and never ever sugarcoated advice. Josh, once again, thank you so much for the time and the chat. Enjoy the rest of your day and we'll talk to you again tomorrow.

[Josh Arnold]

Look forward to it. Thanks Chris.

[Joe Sucere]

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[Joe Thompson]

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