12/15 - GL took another break from the ruination of Minnesota and had Jeff Dayton in the studio for the whole show.

Summary

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Garage Logic – December 15, 2025

Guest: Jeff Dayton (Nashville-based musician, former Glen Campbell bandleader)
Hosts: Joe Soucheray ("The Mayor"), Chris Reavers, John Height, Kenny Olson, Gabe, Matthew ("Rookie")

Episode Overview

Main Theme:
The show welcomes acclaimed musician Jeff Dayton for a lighthearted, nostalgia-rich episode that provides a respite from the usual focus on Minnesota politics and "ruination." Dayton shares stories from his prominent Minnesota family, delves into Minneapolis music history, performs new and old songs live in studio, and discusses everything from the music business to artificial intelligence — all in the signature common-sense, convivial Garage Logic style. The team also touches on recent political headlines and news, but the heart of the episode is storytelling, music, and laughter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Welcoming Jeff Dayton & Minnesota Musings

• Joe and the crew introduce Jeff Dayton, noting his dual roots in Minnesota and Nashville and his local gigs.

  • [02:17] “We have a visitor from Nashville in the studio, Mr. Jeff Dayton, who is just as at home in Minnesota as he is in Nashville.” (Chris Reavers)

• Jeff jokes about Minnesota winters vs. Nashville's climate.

  • [04:21] “We... went down to 14 there last night.” (Dayton)
  • [04:34] “Golf courses close in Nashville over the winter?” “I think they hit the ball no matter what time of year it is.” (Dayton)

• Dayton shares he's visiting out of homesickness and a love for the state.

  • [03:45] “I just got homesick... I just missed Minnesota.” (Dayton)

2. A Deep Dive Into Jeff Dayton's Minnesota Family History

• Jeff’s grandmother flew with Charles Lindbergh in the Spirit of St. Louis on a St. Paul publicity tour.

  • [09:24] “She offered... Who wants to go ride up in the plane? And they were like, no way. She goes, I'll go.” (Dayton)

• Rich St. Paul roots: grandma was three-term mayor of Delwood, sat at literary roundtables with F. Scott Fitzgerald and Hemingway, ran the University Club.

  • [15:00] “Ran a story in the 60s called the Lady Mayors of Minnesota. And she was one of only four.” (Dayton)
  • [15:36] “Erna sat in on a roundtable discussion with Dorothy Parker and such literary notables as F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ernest Hemingway…” (Matthew)

• Delwood childhood memories; describing historic St. Paul houses and family businesses (restaurant by 3M, egg and butter distribution, hockey ancestry).

  • [13:19] “Pop died suddenly in 63. But he's in the Minnesota Hockey Hall of Fame...” (Dayton)

• Jeff’s great-grandfather (Newton Horace Winchell) was Minnesota’s state geologist, coined “taconite.”

  • [16:18] “He coined the word taconite… He was with an army escort, mapping the Dakotas…” (Dayton)

• The Dayton department store dynasty: how a handshake between family members determined ownership and led to the founding of Target and Marshall Field's growth.

  • [20:34] “Whoever survived would get the store. My great-grandfather passed away at age 43 playing golf at Minnakata.” (Dayton)

• Mother (Patty) and father (George Dayton III) musical and cultural influences; Jeff’s early music education at home.

  • [22:09] “Both sides. My dad and my mom. And my mom played piano and sang these old songs…” (Dayton)

3. Music, Family, and Making a Living as a Songwriter

• Jeff describes being the impromptu child entertainer at family dinners (“the circus monkey” mentality).
  • [22:55] “Anytime they had a dinner party, mom would say, Jeff, go get your Joe. That's what she called the banjo.” (Dayton)
• Proud parent: his daughter Carrie Dayton is a successful LA-based YouTuber/influencer.
  • [24:01] “Her name's Carrie Dayton... she's got a vlog and a fashion channel.” (Dayton)
  • Crew dives into Carrie's social stats and online presence, banter about possible family inheritance.
• New album "Songs from the Walnut Room"; connections to area venues and past Twin Cities music figures.
  • [24:55] “Songs from the Walnut Room.” (Dayton)

4. Garage Logic Riffs: Culture, Civics & News

• Sunsets in Gumption County marking the seasonal “turn” and mental lift.

  • [02:35] “The sun will set at 4:32pm... breaking a string of nine consecutive 4:31pm sunsets.” (Chris Reavers)

• Minnesota political news: Fraud, Feeding Our Future scandal, Ilhan Omar’s legislation, Governor “Cockwamble” (Tim Walz) hiring a Director of Program Integrity.

  • [05:08] “It’s The Fraud capital of the world... But thankfully, our governor, Governor Cockwamble, also known as Elmer Fraud...” (Reavers)

• Breaking down how local and national press covers (or ignores) Minnesota’s fraud scandals.

5. Music in Studio: Songs & Stories

• Jeff plays several original songs live, including "Heart Like a Dog" and “Up on the Bow,” sharing the stories behind them.

  • [33:09] Performance: Heart Like a Dog
    • “I've got a heart like a dog. Just wants to be loved. A little affection is more than enough…” (Dayton)
  • [37:05] Performance: Up on the Bow
    • “Up on the bow, the world feels better somehow…” (Dayton)

• Hosts praise Jeff's voice, compare his sound to Kenny Chesney ("audio separated at birth")

  • [36:35] “You're an audio separated at birth from him. Is that a compliment or am I saying something wrong?” (Reavers)

• Discussion on the realities of being a working Nashville songwriter; contrasts with modern mainstream and “bro-country” demographics.

  • [35:40] “I'm not the demographic...I don't throw chairs off of rooftops. I'm sorry I said that.” (Dayton)
  • Quote referencing Vince Gill: “It’s not my cup of tea, but I wasn’t Hank Williams's cup of tea either.” (Dayton, paraphrasing)

6. Artificial Intelligence and the Music Industry

• The crew and Jeff discuss how A.I. is changing music, copyright, and performance careers.
  • [41:25] “It's terrifying. It's terrifying and it's beautiful. It's amazing and it's frightening. It is a challenge and it's a gift to mankind.” (Dayton)
• Jeff confidently asserts live musical performance can't be replaced, describing the irreplaceable human connection.
  • [42:31] “They cannot replace us. The musician with a guitar and a story to tell.” (Dayton)

7. More Music Biz Tales, Booking Gigs, and Local Scene

• Jeff does his own bookings, hustling "like a duck, looks calm on top but legs moving fast."
  • [43:19] “I try real hard, you know, my legs are moving. It's like the duck. I look good on top, but my legs are…” (Dayton)
• Cancellation and rerouting for football games at southern bars, culture shock switching between Minnesota and Nashville, and running jokes about “turn it down!” encounters with audiences.

8. Honoring Glenn Campbell, Songcraft, and Podcasting

• Jeff’s career-defining tenure as Glenn Campbell’s bandleader; key moments on the road and odd brushes with country music royalty.
  • [38:47] “I mean, my career is what it is because of Glenn Campbell.” (Dayton)
• Critical analysis: which is the bigger “heartbreaker” – Glenn Campbell’s “Wichita Lineman” or “By the Time I Get to Phoenix”?
  • [78:41] “Wichita Lineman does it for me.” (Reavers)
  • [78:45] “No contest. Wichita Lineman might be one of my, you know, if you put a gun to my head, 20 favorite songs ever.” (Sucherer)
• Deep-dive on songwriter Jimmy Webb’s process and Campbell's musical instincts.
  • [82:18] “Carol K was the one who came up with the… beginning.” (Dayton on “Wichita Lineman”)
• Plug for Jeff’s podcast Count It Off, featuring interviews with music insiders, local heroes, and a previous Garage Logic crew member guest spot.
  • [89:09] “The podcast is called Count it Off and it drops a new episode every Tuesday morning…” (Dayton)
  • Fun banter about the challenges and joys of podcasting and the breadth of Jeff's guest list.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On AI and music:

  • “It's terrifying and it's beautiful. It's amazing and it's frightening. It is a challenge and it's a gift to mankind...They cannot replace us. The musician with a guitar and a story to tell.”
    – Jeff Dayton [41:25–42:31]

• On Glenn Campbell’s trust in songs:

  • “Glenn knew a hit song... when Wichita Lineman came to him, you know, he said, yeah, this is a great song.”
    – Jeff Dayton [82:17]

• Family legacy humor:

  • “If only you were a boy because you were really ahead of your time.”
    – Jeff Dayton quoting his great-grandfather [12:25]

• On being a working performer:

  • “I'm probably the guy that's just gonna do me until the day I'm gone… I cut a path that's my own.”
    – Jeff Dayton [35:30]

• Live performance – “Heart Like a Dog”:

  • “A little affection is more than enough? You're gonna love it when we cuddle up. I've got a heart like a dog.”
    – Jeff Dayton [33:09]

• On the current music business:

  • “I don't have gold teeth, you know, and times are changing.”
    – Jeff Dayton [35:56]

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Timestamps of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |------------|----------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:17 | Jeff Dayton introduced, Minnesota-Nashville banter | | 09:24 | Grandmother’s legendary Lindbergh flight & St. Paul roots | | 13:02 | Minneapolis Hockey history, Conroy restaurant story | | 16:18 | Newton Horace Winchell, state geology and “taconite” | | 20:34 | Founding of Dayton’s store and rise to Target | | 24:44 | Family music legacy, daughter Carrie Dayton | | 33:09 | First live song in studio: “Heart Like a Dog” | | 35:30 | Music business realities, “doing my own thing” | | 41:25 | AI in music – promise and downside | | 42:31 | “They cannot replace us” – defense of live musicianship | | 43:19 | Gig booking hustle, “duck on water” analogy | | 38:47 | Glenn Campbell stories and influence | | 78:41 | “Wichita Lineman” vs. “Phoenix” as all-time heartbreakers | | 89:09 | Plug for Jeff’s podcast Count It Off |

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Further Information & Ways to Connect

• Jeff Dayton:

  • Website
  • Podcast: Count It Off
  • Instagram
  • YouTube: Carrie Dayton (Jeff’s daughter)

• Garage Logic:

  • YouTube Channel
  • Daily Logician newsletter

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Tone and Takeaway

The episode is a classic example of Garage Logic’s blend of local color, humor, warmth, and unapologetic nostalgia—with ample ribbing, community pride, and real talk. Jeff Dayton’s stories and songs create a window into Minnesota’s past and present, while allowing for substantial side-conversations about the unpredictability and resilience required to build a life in the arts. The hosts’ rapport with Dayton, and their delight in music’s power to outlast trends and technology, make the show accessible—and enjoyable—even for listeners with no prior context.

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For More Garage Logic:
Subscribe on your favorite platform, watch on YouTube, and check out Jeff Dayton’s music and podcast for more stories and stellar musicianship.

Transcript

[Jeff Dayton]

Hey, it's Mo Ahri, licensed marriage and.

[Joe Sucherer]

Family therapist and Hinges love and connection expert.

[Jeff Dayton]

You know what I keep hearing from daters lately? You all want deeper connections, but something keeps getting in the way. So our new Gen Z date report found 84% of Gen Z daters want.

[Chris Reavers]

To build deeper emotional connections, but they're 36% more hesitant than millennials to start them. So here's the thing.

[Joe Sucherer]

Vulnerability isn't weakness.

[Chris Reavers]

It's what builds closeness.

[Joe Sucherer]

Find out more in Hinge's 2025 Gen Z day report.

[Jeff Dayton]

Now live at Hinge co. Mishke here joining the GL world to pitch my new podcast, which now comes out twice.

[Chris Reavers]

A week, Wednesdays and Fridays.

[Jeff Dayton]

The show features an extraordinary array of exotic circus performers, forgotten Hollywood starlets, reclusive Fortune 500 CEOs, professional taxidermists.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, wait a minute. That's a different promo.

[Jeff Dayton]

Where's the promo for G elers? Here it is.

[Chris Reavers]

Let's try this again. Mishke here pitching my new podcast. We're out of time. Could I do it again?

[Jeff Dayton]

Almost done.

[Chris Reavers]

Josh Arnold, investment consultant, brings you garage lodging podcast number 1,680. December 15, 2025. 58 Degrees was a record high on this day. That was just a few years ago, 2021, when people were stealing money as fast as they could. And it was 21 below on this day in 1901. Call Josh Arnold at 952-925-5608 for a free 48 minute consultation.

[Gabe]

Hail the Flashlight King.

[Chris Reavers]

And now, from the mayor's office above the boathouse on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's Garage Logic with Chris Reavers manning technology corner, Kenny Olson from the Krabby Coffee Shop, John Height in the newsroom, and of course, the rookie. Here is your flashlight, the fireworks commissioner and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Joe Sucherer. We have a visitor from Nashville in the studio, Mr. Jeff Dayton, who is just as at home in Minnesota as he is in Nashville. You were here during the coldest weekend of the year thus far.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, it's a record, I guess.

[Chris Reavers]

And where were you at Long Lake last night?

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. Played a great gig at Birches on the Lake.

[Chris Reavers]

Packed?

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, packed.

[Chris Reavers]

And you're leaving town this week and there's rumor, we're discussing it off air, that you might very well be in Anguilla, where we're number one this weekend.

[Jeff Dayton]

I have my T shirt pressed and ready.

[Chris Reavers]

All right, I want to say this. I got this from Steve Mulholland, who lives in the Belly of the beast. This is good news for all of us. Just a friendly reminder for you and all the esteemed members of the Royal order of the 21st ERS. Today, Monday, December 15th, the sun will set at 4:32pm in Gumption county, breaking a string of nine consecutive 4:31pm Sunsets, which were the earliest sunsets of the calendar year. I hope you'll enjoy this celestial milestone, watching old Sol slowly descend in the western skies across Spoon Lake from the comfortable confines of the GL boathouse, leaving behind one minute of added evening light. Behold, 21st. Your spring is at hand. That's true. This is today's 4:32pm it's getting lighter. It's getting lighter.

[Matthew]

That's a huge mental stump to get over.

[Chris Reavers]

Jeff, how are you?

[Jeff Dayton]

I'm great. How are you, Joe?

[Chris Reavers]

Good. You just. I suppose you come home, visit family members.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, I just got homesick and I mean, I realized I hadn't been up here since we hung out at the state fair and I just missed Minnesota. So I grabbed a week and I said, I'm going to Minnesota. And then all this stuff started popping up.

[Chris Reavers]

Did you bring a guitar? I did it with you right now.

[Jeff Dayton]

It's nearby.

[Chris Reavers]

You don't have to get it right now. Just settle down.

[Jeff Dayton]

He's demanding, isn't he? Demanding, isn't it? I want to be ready in case.

[Matthew]

You say I got your dancing bear.

[Joe Sucherer]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

But Nashville winters, I'm not sure I'd enjoy those. Aren't they a little soupy and gray and can be.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, we. In fact, I think we went down to 14 there last night.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, that's no fun if you're going to have winter. Have winter. But I suppose you also get a 65 degree day once in a while.

[Jeff Dayton]

We do. In fact, it'll probably be in the 50s a couple of days this week.

[Chris Reavers]

So the golf courses close in Nashville over the winter?

[Jeff Dayton]

You know, I haven't checked it out. I think they hit the ball no matter what time of year it is.

[Chris Reavers]

I bet they could.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, they get that green ball or whatever color it is, you know.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. Well, you're going to join us. We're going to do kind of a hybrid of the regular show and then hopefully have a tune or two from you. Is that all right?

[Jeff Dayton]

I'd be honored.

[Chris Reavers]

That's all right with you?

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

We're only beginning to realize that now you're aware of the trouble the state of Minnesota is in.

[Jeff Dayton]

I hear news. I've been hearing some things.

[Chris Reavers]

It's The Fraud capital of the world. But thankfully, our governor, Governor Cockwamble, also known as Elmer Fraud, also known as Throttle Bottom, also known as Tim Walls.

[John Height]

Wait, Wait a minute. I hadn't heard.

[Chris Reavers]

Throttle Bottom got an email today from a guy who says truck Throttle Bottom. Look it up.

[John Height]

What does that mean?

[Chris Reavers]

Look it up means an incompetent moron, just like Cock Womble.

[Jeff Dayton]

All right, that's pirate language there. Yes, it is. It is.

[Joe Sucherer]

You're right, Tim.

[John Height]

Throttle Bottom.

[Chris Reavers]

Tim, in honor of your arrival from Tennessee, Walls, a few days ago announced that a guy named Tim o' Malley will become Director of Program Integrity. Now, nothing against o', Malley, I'm sure. He's a fine fellow. He's got a lot of experience. FBI, Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. He's the right guy. He's just five years too late. This is all disingenuous on Wall's part. He is still trying to save his own hide by pretending that he actually gives a bleep about any of this. There's reasonable information to suggest he knew quite a bit about it and let it continue. But in any event, now trying to run again for a third term, he is acting as though he's on top of it and he's hired a guy. It's way too late. He should have done this five years ago. We also learned. I did not know this, but there's a guy named Jim. Let me get it for you. There's a Republican running against Omar in Congressional District 5, and his name is Jim Nagle. And he has alerted. Well, he didn't alert me. He alerted Fox News to the idea that Omar was the one who introduced, on March 11, 2020, House Resolution 6187, which was called the Meals Act. And I'm only beginning to know this this minute. We haven't done our homework. We'll have more on it this week. The bill modifies food and nutrition programs of the Department of Agriculture to allow certain waivers to requirements for the school meal programs, including waivers that increase federal costs during a school closure related to COVID 19. And I don't know anything yet, but I'm wondering if from this was born the Feeding Our Future scandal. I don't know yet, but it's quite. It wouldn't surprise me.

[Jeff Dayton]

I wonder if he's related to the billboard signed Negley's.

[Chris Reavers]

No.

[Jeff Dayton]

No.

[Chris Reavers]

When I say no, I'm just guessing. Thank you for.

[John Height]

Thank you for asking what I've been wondering for a long time.

[Chris Reavers]

I think it's spelled different. This is N A G E L. That's Nagel.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, that would be Nagle.

[Chris Reavers]

This the signboard people, the people that own the wild is N A G L E correct? Right. Wasn't there a Nagle involved in owning the wild, Bob? Yeah. So that's breaking news, Jeff. Quite exciting if you ask me, because I think there's so much to be mined with Ilhan Omar's involvement in the scandal and you're going to have to rely on this show to do it. Alpha News and the American Experiment. The Star Tribune is covering four walls and for the fraudsters to a certain degree. And it's a disappointment that the press is not digging into Ilhan Omar's involvement in many things, including her net worth. Her marriage seems to be back in the news. I've always said I don't know anything about that and I continue to not know anything about that. I really don't even want to know anything about that except if it's fraudulent, she may very well be here under false pretenses. I don't know. I don't know.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, my grandmother always said, I don't know, I wasn't under the bed.

[Chris Reavers]

Turns out your grandmother had a lot of these home spawners, didn't she?

[Jeff Dayton]

She was just plain old smart, you know, she was ahead of her time. She flew with Lindbergh in the Spirit of St. Louis.

[Chris Reavers]

Come on, come on.

[Jeff Dayton]

No, really, to where?

[Chris Reavers]

In the same plane.

[Jeff Dayton]

In the plane he came to St. Paul. He was making a publicity tour. You know, he was a local guy.

[Chris Reavers]

Was this post trip to Florida, France.

[Jeff Dayton]

That was why he was famous at that point.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, I see.

[Jeff Dayton]

And so he came to St. Paul and met with the big wigs of. Of all the businesses here. And she offered the, you know, to all these big, you know, big guys. Who wants to go ride up in the plane? And they were like, no way. She goes, I'll go. And so she hopped in the right seat and away they went.

[Matthew]

That is.

[Chris Reavers]

What the hell? Is there photographic evidence?

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, I. Gosh, Dwayne, I don't.

[Chris Reavers]

It's not that I don't believe you, but wouldn't that be neat?

[Jeff Dayton]

We sold my guitar case. I don't know, I left it somewhere.

[John Height]

You know what they say on the Internet? Photos or it's true.

[Jeff Dayton]

Oh, boy.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, Jeff, I wonder where that were they. Wonder what? They flew over, just did a loop around the Twin Cities.

[Jeff Dayton]

Probably like a joy ride you would get on a hot air balloon at a festival or something.

[Chris Reavers]

Cool.

[Jeff Dayton]

But to say that is pretty cool.

[Chris Reavers]

Holy mackerel.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

What about her husband, your grandfather, George Conroy?

[Matthew]

They didn't run away together, they just took a plane.

[Joe Sucherer]

No.

[Chris Reavers]

I wonder if the grandfather took the plane trip.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, she was. It was before she married him. She was only about 17 or 18 at the time.

[Chris Reavers]

What was her name?

[Jeff Dayton]

Erna Conroy. She was Erna Sharp in St. Paul. They lived on Goodrich, six six two Goodrich. And her folks bought that house in 1920. It's the only triple lot house, I think, along Goodrich there.

[Chris Reavers]

I have three walking routes. One of them I walk by that.

[Matthew]

House going to the Zillow.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yep.

[Chris Reavers]

Six six two Goodrich.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yep. And it's three lots. And my great grandfather was the guy that bought it. He also bought 60 plots for us over at O Cemetery. So there's.

[Chris Reavers]

You're in no hurry for those.

[Jeff Dayton]

No, no, I plan on being around.

[John Height]

Oh, that's a nice house, Jeff.

[Chris Reavers]

I know the house well.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah.

[John Height]

I love that porch.

[Chris Reavers]

So that's where your grandma was a kid.

[Jeff Dayton]

That's where she grew up. Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

What school did she go to?

[Jeff Dayton]

Summit School or. Yes.

[Matthew]

So this St. Paul Academy. The Summit School.

[Chris Reavers]

And her name was Sharp at that point.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yep. And then she married Dave Courtney and that was a short marriage. And he was the owner of Morgantown Glassworks, he and his brother. And in West Virginia. In Morgantown, West Virginia.

[Chris Reavers]

Now, I have a feeling you're a font of. Of St. Paul history.

[Jeff Dayton]

I love St. Paul history.

[Chris Reavers]

Okay, now, what did Sharp do for a living?

[Jeff Dayton]

Fred Sharp worked for the St. Paul. He was a butter and eggman.

[Chris Reavers]

He peddled butter and eggs?

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

Which at the time would have been a big, big deal because that was a basic staple of life.

[Jeff Dayton]

It was the Re Cob Company.

[Chris Reavers]

They have a warehouse downtown. Probably.

[Jeff Dayton]

Probably the hatchery. Well, a lot of eggs there too. But he married and then they had five kids. And my grandmother was the second oldest and her dad said, if only you were a boy because you were really ahead of your time.

[John Height]

Wow.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. She stole the. Gosh. What was the car? The big car that they had. And she didn't realize that the manholes were on this un. Finished road. We're sticking up higher. And she tore the undercarriage off the car and it was the. And my grandfather, my great grandfather said, that's okay, nobody plans an accident.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[Jeff Dayton]

And so she was forgiven. And then my grandfather, after she was married.

[Chris Reavers]

What was his name?

[Jeff Dayton]

His name was George Conroy. So a lot of St. Paul in that.

[Chris Reavers]

Because what did Conroy do? He was in the Morgantown West Virginia.

[Jeff Dayton]

No, this was. Courtney was in Morgantown.

[Chris Reavers]

Who's Courtney?

[Jeff Dayton]

My actual grandfather.

[Matthew]

That was the first marriage that was very short.

[Jeff Dayton]

It was a short marriage and my mom was born of that marriage. And then Pop Conroy, we called him Pop. They owned George Conroy's restaurant across from 3M and Sunray over there on Old Highway 12.

[Chris Reavers]

Yes.

[Jeff Dayton]

And they had that successfully. And then Pop died suddenly in 63. But he's in the Minnesota Hockey hall of Fame as a hockey player at St. Thomas. And his brother, Tony Conroy, Anthony Conroy was a member of the initial US Olympic hockey team in 1920 that went to the Olympics. And they were beaten only by Canada in the final game. But in the semifinal, they beat Switzerland 28 to nothing.

[Chris Reavers]

Wow.

[Matthew]

Holy crap.

[Jeff Dayton]

And he is in the U.S. hockey hall of Fame. Yeah.

[Matthew]

Born in 1895 in St. Paul. Died in St. Paul in 78. Ice hockey at the 1920 Summer Olympics.

[Chris Reavers]

So your mom's name was what?

[Jeff Dayton]

She was Patty Sharp Conroy.

[Chris Reavers]

Patty Sharp Conroy. Was she close to her mom?

[Jeff Dayton]

Very close.

[Chris Reavers]

She and the flyer with Erna was her name.

[Jeff Dayton]

Erna flew with Lindbergh.

[Chris Reavers]

Lindbergh. But your mom and Erna were close. They were buddies all their life.

[Jeff Dayton]

And then Erna was a huge influence in my life because. And then after Pop died in the 60s, she became the general manager of the University Club at the top of the hill there. And I worked for the summers for her over there. I was a maintenance assistant, kind of like Gabe is over here. Maintenance assistant, yes. And then I was the. I was the chef and I ran the pool shack down there. And then I was a lifeguard my final summer there. And they just.

[Chris Reavers]

Where were you living now?

[Jeff Dayton]

Were you living with your grandparents in Delwood? And she was the mayor of Delwood.

[Gabe]

Erna.

[Jeff Dayton]

And she was three term mayor of Delwood. In fact, the Parade magazine, I think that Sunday insert.

[Chris Reavers]

Yes, St. Paul used to have that.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. Ran a story in the 60s called the Lady Mayors of Minnesota. And she was one of only four.

[Chris Reavers]

Where in Delaware did you live?

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, she got to name the road. So it's Quail Road. And she named it.

[Chris Reavers]

You're talking about my childhood here. Because quail, we would traipse up quail and you could catch one of the hills of the yacht club golf course and go sledding.

[Jeff Dayton]

And she got to number her own house. So she picked 3, 5, 8, which were her favorite numbers. There is a house at 358 Coyle Road.

[Gabe]

So back to Ilhan Omar on one.

[Matthew]

Buying trip to New York City, Erna sat in on a roundtable discussion with Dorothy Parker and such literary notables as F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ernest Hemingway, and William Falper.

[Chris Reavers]

Wow.

[John Height]

Oh, at the Algonquin, probably.

[Jeff Dayton]

Thank you. You've got that.

[Matthew]

Yeah.

[Jeff Dayton]

I'm glad you're such a good newsman.

[Matthew]

There's just a whole bunch of information here.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, you know, I feel very proud of my St. Paul roots.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, how come your name isn't Jeff Conroy?

[Jeff Dayton]

Because my mom, Patty, married George Dayton. Patty married George Dayton, and that was the Minneapolis side of the family. And my. On the Dayton side. If you want to go deep into my history.

[John Height]

I do.

[Chris Reavers]

I do.

[Jeff Dayton]

My great grandfather on my dad's side was Newton Horace Winchell, and he was the state geologist for Minnesota in the 1800s.

[Gabe]

Oh, my God.

[Jeff Dayton]

What the hell? With Ilhan Omar, he was the guy who did this geological surveys of much of Minnesota, including the Iron Range. He coined the word taconite because of its similarities in strata to the Taconic Mountains and the Taconic Indian tribes in upstate New York. And he was with an army escort, mapping the Dakotas, especially, I think, North Dakota. And he had finished his work, and to get back to the Twin Cities in the 1870s, he required a military escort because it was kind of tough times back then. And so he said, general Custer, my work here is done. And he went back, and Custer didn't.

[Matthew]

Custer stayed a little more permanent for him.

[John Height]

That would be John, help me. Fort Abe Lincoln.

[Joe Sucherer]

Fort Lincoln, sure. In Mandan.

[John Height]

Yeah.

[Jeff Dayton]

It was just right there where the, you know, Little Big.

[Chris Reavers]

Your mom's name was Patty.

[Jeff Dayton]

Patty.

[Chris Reavers]

Patty married George Dayton. Did Patty maintain the restaurant?

[Jeff Dayton]

No, the restaurant, George Conroe was sold to the Knights Group, and they called it Knights after that.

[Chris Reavers]

So Patty, upon marrying George Dayton, as in the Daytons, we all know the clothes, the dry goods emporium. Patty married George Dayton, and then Patty St. Paul life was over and became a Minneapolis life.

[Jeff Dayton]

We lived, you know, we were AC dc Yeah. We were good all over. Yeah. And we loved. I mean, I still drive through St. Paul, drive down Summit, and I think, gosh, if I could just bump into that money tree. And I was down on Gasparilla island this past. Well, just a week ago, Monday and Tuesday.

[Chris Reavers]

That's off Fort Myers area.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. It's where Boca Grande is. A lot of Twin Cities people there, and it's just great. And my grandmother's friends, including Stan Donnelly, who's an old name in St. Paul.

[Chris Reavers]

Boy I know that name.

[Jeff Dayton]

And they were from Delwood. And also Peter and Tudy Folliott. And she was the third or the youngest grandchild of James J. Hill. Are we ready, Joe? I just didn't know. You didn't know? I thought you knew.

[John Height]

Well, you have talked circles around us. We have our own geologist. She has weighed and said your guy. How is he again, your great grandpa?

[Jeff Dayton]

He's a grandfather on my dad's side. Yeah.

[John Height]

He's created many maps and publications and is well known in the geology field.

[Chris Reavers]

And his name was Winchell.

[Jeff Dayton]

His name is Newton Horace Winchell. And the Winchell Library used to be housed at Pillsbury hall, but I am the only Winchell donor. I'm Jeffrey Winchell Dayton, by the way.

[Chris Reavers]

For Christ's sake.

[Jeff Dayton]

I didn't know I was.

[Chris Reavers]

I'll be dipped.

[Gabe]

What's coming up on the ride?

[Jeff Dayton]

Can we cut to commercial here? What's up? Thank you, Joe. And you know, he also. His library is now part of a greater part of the. It's been moved. I mean, it's really kind of old news to you, but the department was the Newton, the Winchell School of Earth Sciences. And I'm the donated the Winchell genealogy book to the U.

[John Height]

Last such.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[John Height]

I propose that we put up a new building in Garage Logic called the Jeff Dayton Museum.

[Chris Reavers]

Right.

[John Height]

Where all of this is housed.

[Matthew]

Seven minutes later, I've been down the Dayton rabbit hole here for.

[John Height]

I'm looking at two of your ancestral homes, your mom's place and the place on Goodrich.

[Chris Reavers]

But were you a loose cannon as a kid?

[Jeff Dayton]

Oh, sure. I mean, I grew up in the 50s and 60s.

[Chris Reavers]

Right.

[Jeff Dayton]

And you know, I love to play hockey.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. Did you play for any high school played?

[Jeff Dayton]

I swam when I got to high school. I was a swimmer at Blade, and I was a champion swimmer. My dad, George Dayton, was at Princeton, and he was picked for the Olympic team in 52.

[Chris Reavers]

Is George your biological dad?

[Jeff Dayton]

Yes, he is. Was. Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

So what role did he have with the Dayton store?

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, it's interesting because there was a deal cut when my great, great grandfather was George Draper Dayton. And he had two boys, Nelson and Draper. And those two cut a deal that whoever survived would get the store. That's how it worked out. And my great grandfather passed away at age 43 playing golf at Minnakata.

[Gabe]

Really?

[Jeff Dayton]

And so Nelson Dayton and his five sons, Wally, Bruce, Doug, Don and Kenny, became the five brothers that took it to fame and developed Target and did all the great stuff with Marshall Fields and merged with Hudson's. And, you know, they're the guys. And my grandfather was. He had a token position as an executive vice president, but retired from that in 1970, I think. And about 71, he was the honorary consul to the Republic of Korea. So my dad got assigned a job.

[Chris Reavers]

George. Your dad?

[Jeff Dayton]

My dad, George iii. They were going to call me George iv, but my grandmother Erna protested and said, if you call him that, I'm gonna call him Ivy. And he was working at Southdale when that opened at 56. But he did not like being a salesman. He didn't like doing. Selling garden hose at the outdoor store, so he just kind of bolted. You know, he loved music in the beach, and that's why that song of mine, you know, I don't. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I just love the beach. It's why I want to go to Anguilla, you know. So is.

[John Height]

Would he be the main musical influence in your family? Where did the music come from within your family?

[Jeff Dayton]

I think both. Both sides. My dad and my mom. And my mom played piano and sang these old songs like, you know, sweetheart of Sigma Chi, and they would call it the Sweetheart of Six Other Guys. Yeah, they had. They had. They loved to change the lyrics. And I was raised in a home that, you know, people did parodies. We. The lyric writing was not a foreign subject at all, so. And mom played piano and taught me to sing and taught me to play guitar by playing. By just singing me the melody and then saying, figure out the chords.

[Chris Reavers]

And that's Pat.

[Jeff Dayton]

Patty. Patty. Yeah.

[John Height]

And were there music days or sing alongs at, like, birthdays and Christmas and other holidays when. When you all gathered?

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, anytime they had a dinner party, mom would say, well, Jeff, go get your Joe. That's what she called the banjo. Sure. You know, my. My. Get. My. Get what they call it. Get. Fiddle gut bucket. And then I was expected to entertain. That was sort of like the circus monkey.

[Matthew]

I know the feeling.

[Chris Reavers]

Do you have brothers and sisters?

[Jeff Dayton]

I do. We got a big family.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

What are they up to?

[Jeff Dayton]

Everybody's up to something. You know, my sister Trisha lives in Plymouth. My brother Ralph, sadly, he passed already. And sister Grace lives in Colorado, and brother Tony lives in Mound, and he. I think he likes your show.

[Chris Reavers]

Good.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

Do any of them play music?

[Jeff Dayton]

Not really. Not really. But I have a daughter, Carrie, who's living in Los Angeles, and she absolutely loves to sing, but she never followed that. She's a YouTuber now. Very successful really? Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, how can we see her?

[Matthew]

She's on Instagram and YouTube, right?

[Jeff Dayton]

Yes, she is.

[Matthew]

Yes.

[Chris Reavers]

What's her name?

[Jeff Dayton]

Her name's Carrie Dayton.

[Chris Reavers]

Carrie. C A R R I E. Carrie Dayton on YouTube?

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, she's there and she's got a vlog and she's got a, you know, a fashion channel, all the usual commercial stuff. She's going to probably say, dad, why did you talk about me?

[Chris Reavers]

Well, no, not if she's looking for hits, she won't.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, she's. She's doing what really well? I mean, she lived in Beverly Hills for a while. She's doing well.

[Matthew]

Dayton Carey is her instagram handle on YouTube. Yeah.

[John Height]

459,000 subscribers.

[Jeff Dayton]

You guys, I'm not gonna drop a single clue for you. And you're gonna find it all for me. I love this. Look at these.

[Gabe]

So, Carrie, could you retweet the.

[Matthew]

Gary, she only has a 102,000 followers on Instagram.

[Chris Reavers]

Hey, Kerry, I bought a little something, you know, for the effort.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, there is a song that we wrote together called One Day that's on an earlier record. You can find it on my Spotify.

[Chris Reavers]

I see. When you came in, you gave me a new record.

[Jeff Dayton]

I did.

[Chris Reavers]

Songs from the Walnut Room.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, the Rudy. Rudy Boshwitz.

[Chris Reavers]

Right. No, it's. Yeah. What does he have to do with it? Walnut ain't plywood.

[Jeff Dayton]

Look at the back of the album there. See that? Aged brown sort of.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, it looks like walnut to me.

[Jeff Dayton]

That's the walnut plywood paneling.

[Matthew]

I ran into Rudy at the airport about two months ago.

[Jeff Dayton]

Did you?

[Matthew]

And his bride.

[Chris Reavers]

Isn't he about 109?

[Matthew]

He wasn't moving real fast, but he was moving.

[Jeff Dayton]

Wow.

[Chris Reavers]

Do you have a garage in Tennessee?

[Jeff Dayton]

I have a carport, not a garage. I am. You guys already know what you're.

[Chris Reavers]

Terrible. Terrible.

[Joe Sucherer]

Cylinder.

[Jeff Dayton]

My cylinder index is a six.

[Chris Reavers]

That's pathetic.

[John Height]

Oh, Joe.

[Chris Reavers]

It's just. It's just shameful.

[Jeff Dayton]

I know. And I come asking for penance and.

[Matthew]

He thinks about that every time he's sitting on the beach having a cold one. Oh, I only had six months.

[Gabe]

I'm going to Aunt Cool on Friday.

[Joe Sucherer]

Jeff, just ask them to play A C major 7 chord and tell them to shut up.

[Jeff Dayton]

I'll bet you can't do this.

[Gabe]

That's about all I can do.

[Chris Reavers]

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[Matthew]

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[Chris Reavers]

Really?

[Jeff Dayton]

They do have one.

[Chris Reavers]

All right, well, it doesn't help him in. He's got a lousy carport.

[Matthew]

Well, we'll work on that.

[Chris Reavers]

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[Joe Sucherer]

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[Jeff Dayton]

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[Matthew]

Better than any white man alive.

[Chris Reavers]

The earth is not your mother.

[John Height]

The Joe Sugiray Show Sitting around the Local knack hard this morning. Heard a story, you know, it was one of those friend of a friend deals his his newish fancy green tractor parked in an unheated machine shed with the block heater plugged in and a battery tender on. It wouldn't start over the weekend. The glow plug made no difference. This guy had to feed his cattle. So you know it. Just as a last resort, he slogged through the snow to that old international, not plugged in gas, not diesel, with who knows how old the battery was. And that thing jumped to life instantly. And those ungrateful cattle got fed. Did I tell you it was 20 below at the time? Did I tell you he frequently feeds that old red beast big heavy shots of seafoam? Of course, none of this comes as a surprise to those of us that use seafoam on the regular. Among its many benefits is that it preserves ignition vapors, making starting a lot easier even when it's a tad bit nippy outside. And it's good for gas and diesel. Single one lungers or big V8s, doesn't matter. Two stroke or straight petro, doesn't matter what your cylinder situation is. Really doesn't matter. Just make sure to feed them seafoam, especially now during winter. A wonderful product in a world of bad gas, seafoam.

[Chris Reavers]

I can't let this pass because it's so odd. John, would you read our president's tweet regarding the death of Rob Reiner and his wife?

[Joe Sucherer]

Yeah, it starts. A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump Derangement Syndrome, sometimes referred to as tds. He was known to have driven people crazy, capital letters by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump. With his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness. And with the golden age of America upon us, perhaps like never before. May Robin Michel rest in peace.

[Chris Reavers]

The guy is taking credit for the death of Rob Reiner and his wife. That's a new one. That's a new one.

[Matthew]

That's pretty messed up.

[Chris Reavers]

First of all, I don't know why Reiner, I don't know. They have arrested his kid and we don't know what happened. But Trump is taking credit for the fact that Trump derangement syndrome caused Reiner's death. That's a new one.

[Matthew]

In September, there was a quote. I think Rob was on cnn.

[Chris Reavers]

Rob Reiner's a screaming lefty.

[Matthew]

He was on a show and he said he was critical of Trump, and he said, this might be. You might not ever see me again after making that quote. Because he was ripping Trump, implying that President Trump's gonna take him out.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, they did say it was a murder.

[Chris Reavers]

No, I know that both the wife and Rob Reiner were found brutally murdered, but I'm. I'm in shock. I mean, just when you think you've seen it all from Trump, he's taking credit for his death. It's. It's unbelievable. I don't know where to go with that.

[Gabe]

Jeff, your thoughts?

[Matthew]

Yeah, Jeff likes to play music. He doesn't want to talk.

[Chris Reavers]

I couldn't let the show go without it.

[John Height]

So the way it was worded, though, it sounds like a. That was a press release that somebody wrote for him.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, no, I bet he wrote it himself.

[John Height]

Yeah, that doesn't sound like his writing.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, it does to me. He's a sore winner. I know that, but holy mackerel, never.

[Jeff Dayton]

Heard that one before.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, that's a good song for a sore winner.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, do something for us to get us out of this dreadful move.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, all right.

[Gabe]

How about your dancing bear? Come on.

[Chris Reavers]

It's your fault.

[Jeff Dayton]

I'm getting tired of getting kicked around.

[Chris Reavers]

Me too.

[Jeff Dayton]

Out in the rain in this lonely town. I saved this just for you guys. Yeah. Been so long since I had a friend. Well, maybe, baby, you could take me in. I've got a heart like a dog. Just wants to be loved. A little affection is more than enough? You're gonna love it when we cuddle up. I've got a like a dog. I've got a heart like a dog. I'll take you on long walks whenever you like. Keep your feet warm on the coldest of nights. Wake you up early with a good morning kiss. And bring you your socks all covered with spit. I've got a heart like a dog. Just wants to be loved. A little affection is more than enough? You're gonna love it when we cuddle up. I've got a heart like a dog. You know what I mean?

[Chris Reavers]

I think I do.

[Jeff Dayton]

I've got a heart like a dog. Can we really mean it? I hope you don't mind when I beg. I hope you kinda like it when I hug your leg. You'll never have to worry how much I drink. You're gonna be proud when you hear me sing? Come on, boys. Oh, Joseph. I've got a heart like a dog I got a heart like a singing monkey I've got a heart like a dog.

[Gabe]

The best part is when you watch Matthew, the nose goes straight up in the air like Snoopy.

[Chris Reavers]

Like he's a dog?

[Gabe]

Yes. Like when Snoopy.

[Matthew]

I'm in character, man.

[Chris Reavers]

I'm not walking on all fours. How would you describe the. The niche you've cut out for yourself in the music business?

[Jeff Dayton]

I'm probably the guy that's just gonna do me until the day I'm gone. Because there's no, you know, there's no rush to my door to sign me for a record deal.

[Chris Reavers]

Have you tried to get a record deal?

[Jeff Dayton]

You know, I'm not the demographic. Let's look at it, you know, and I don't throw chairs off of rooftops. I'm sorry I said that. You know, and I. And I don't, you know, guzzle, lug and chug a lug with, you know, and do body shots, you know.

[John Height]

You don't have any neck tattoos.

[Jeff Dayton]

I don't. I don't. In fact, I don't have gold teeth, you know, and times are changing. And they asked, you know, Vince Gill one time what he thought of today's music. And he said, well, it's not my cup of tea, but I wasn't Hank Williams cup of tea either, right? And so I cut a path that's my own. And I've realized that that's the value of who I am. Never been before, never will be again. And I love writing songs with real people in them. And I love telling, you know, heartwarming stories. And I love, you know, a little silly tribute to being single and, you know.

[Chris Reavers]

Is there a satellite station? John Height might know this. That's just strictly Kenny Chesney. Is that who I'm thinking of?

[Joe Sucherer]

He's. Yeah, he's got his own. There's one named after him.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, you're an audio separated at birth from him. Is that a compliment or am I saying something wrong?

[Jeff Dayton]

I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that.

[Chris Reavers]

I mean, when I listen to that station, I'm hearing your voice, man.

[Jeff Dayton]

Thank you.

[Chris Reavers]

Go on a show.

[Jeff Dayton]

I have a lot of songs that I wish. I just wish, you know, somebody would pick up oven, take them to Kenny. This is off the new record. I'll just play a little bit.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[Jeff Dayton]

Up on the bow. The world feels better somehow Getting some sun on my face Leaving my worries in the wake All I Know for sure is we're never gonna figure it out that's okay it's just for today I'm up on the bow. Up on the bow. I've been thinking I really ought to thank her. Cause I never realized there's two kinds of anchors Some will hold you steady Some just hold you down While that song way behind me I'm riding easy now up on the bow the world feels better somehow Getting some sun on my face and leaving my worries in the way All I know for sure is we're never gonna figure it out that's okay is just for today I'm up on the bow Heading to Anguilla on Friday, I hope. Checking in with Joe.

[Chris Reavers]

You. Would your career be different if Glen Campbell was alive?

[Jeff Dayton]

I don't know. I mean, I. My career is what it is because of Glenn Campbell.

[Chris Reavers]

You were his band director.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, but I mean, Glenn put me in situations that nobody would get without being with Glenn. I mean, he introduced me to people. I remember we were doing Hee Haw and he said, jeff, come on over here. It was just Glenn and me and the Hee Haw Band. And he goes, jeff, this is Roger Miller. Roger, this is Jeff Dayton. And he goes, jeff Dayton, Summer when the Sun Goes down, started singing me one of my songs.

[Joe Sucherer]

Oh, wow.

[Gabe]

Nice.

[Jeff Dayton]

I still get hair rises. You know, they call it chicken skin in Hawaii. And those are things that. Those are gifts of a guy like Glenn. And he did that. He called my name in the Sioux Falls concert twice. And every time that somebody watches it, they say, oh, you were with Glen Campbell. I saw you. You said your name. Oh, my God, yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

You had hair then.

[Jeff Dayton]

I did, yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

Thank you, Joe.

[Jeff Dayton]

Thank you for noticing.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, I did too, at that time.

[Jeff Dayton]

But, you know, it is what it is, as my friend Tony would say. And, you know, I get to be me. And I've settled into realizing that that's pretty alright.

[Chris Reavers]

But, you know, everybody in the scene.

[Jeff Dayton]

In Nashville, well, these days, it's changing because there's a new guard. You know, there's a new sheriff in town. And he brought his friends, some of.

[Chris Reavers]

Whom throw tables off of rooftops.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, there's. I don't know. I mean, you know, people say, oh, do you play downtown? I said, no, no, not in fact, I don't usually go down there unless somebody's playing there that's a friend. And then I'll Uber in. But it's real crowded and it's, you know, they're printing money.

[Gabe]

I made reference to this a week ago. Jeff And Johnny Height actually posted this on Social about just the difference between lyrics and music. And one was from Johnny, help me here. I know it's Jason Isbell.

[Joe Sucherer]

The left, the left. The one that is not my songwriter was a picture of Morgan Wallace.

[Gabe]

Thank you.

[Joe Sucherer]

With one of his lyrics. And then the second, the one that is my songwriter was Jason Isbell with one of his lyrics.

[Gabe]

And what struck me was we really are catering to the low hanging fruit in terms of music. And that's why I fear what AI is going to do to the industry going forward.

[Jeff Dayton]

That is a hot button topic there.

[Chris Reavers]

Reeves, what is your view of that?

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, you know, Kenny and I talked about it on the Krabby Cafe.

[John Height]

You can tell he doesn't listen to.

[Chris Reavers]

The Krabby Coffee Shop. I listened to a show called the Krabby Cafe, but I never heard this discussion. I must have missed the Krabby Coffee Shop.

[Jeff Dayton]

I'll have pie to go with that size 12 shoe in my mouth. Everything's cool.

[John Height]

Everything's cool. Yeah.

[Jeff Dayton]

Tell them no.

[John Height]

Tell them everything you told me in 30 seconds. Jeff, go ahead.

[Jeff Dayton]

It's terrifying. It's terrifying and it's beautiful. It's amazing and it's frightening. It is a challenge and it's a gift to mankind. And it's gonna be somewhere in between. It's gonna only get better faster. It's exponentially growing. Now they've got Tilly Norwood, the actress. That is totally fake. It's kind of like an Anne Hathaway girl next door. During the union of the actors union are pushing back. Musicians are throwing their hands in the air. Publishers are going, what the heck. Warner Brothers pulled out of their class action suit against Suno, which is the company that does a lot of the music videos and said or the music tracks and said. Now you can license Warner Brothers artists to go on your demo so you can have Blake Shelton. It's just out of hand and I don't know where it's going to land.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, how do you mean? It's a gift to mankind.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, I'm just saying how can it be? It could be that and it could be the detriment forever. It could be that when you turn on YouTube and you start noticing how many of these videos are fake, fake, fake, fake. Or they have an AI announcer who can't even pronounce the situation, you know.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. And they same with Twitter or X. It's all fake.

[Jeff Dayton]

A lot of it is, you know, a lot of it is staged and you know, again, it's clickbait it's, you know, it's. What do they call that? Rage bait. Sometimes, you know, and I don't know. I mean, Joe, I'm gonna. Here's what I do know. And I raised my hand to this last night and the place went crazy. They cannot replace us. The musician with a guitar and a story to tell. And I've just, you know, live music is never going to end up in AI unless they, you know, suddenly Tilly Norwood is out singing gigs. But, you know, it ain't gonna happen.

[Chris Reavers]

How do you get booked? Do you have an agent?

[Jeff Dayton]

You know, I have to scratch the ground.

[Chris Reavers]

You do it.

[Jeff Dayton]

I do it. Just like, you know, I'm out there with the chickens.

[Chris Reavers]

But you're always busy.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, I try real hard, you know, my legs are moving. It's like the duck. I look good on top, but my legs are.

[Chris Reavers]

Do you call Long Lake and say.

[Jeff Dayton]

I'd like to play?

[Chris Reavers]

And they go, you're more than welcome?

[Jeff Dayton]

I do.

[Chris Reavers]

That's how that happens.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. Yeah. But I have.

[Chris Reavers]

I'll be in town. Such and such a date. Do you have any room for me? Is that how that happens?

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. I've got, in fact, in April for my birthday weekend. And I'll be at crooners on April 3rd with my pal Sam Ryden from Northfield. And April 4th, I'll be at the 318 Cafe in Excelsior.

[Gabe]

We're going to Crooners tonight, right, Johnny?

[Joe Sucherer]

Well, I am. Are you?

[Gabe]

Oh, yeah. I'm staying at your house.

[Chris Reavers]

Crooners tonight. A guy named Pat Donahue is playing.

[Jeff Dayton]

Oh, Pat's the guy from Prairie Home.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[Jeff Dayton]

That was just here.

[Chris Reavers]

Yes.

[Jeff Dayton]

In fact, Cat out front told me that he was just here and he was from Prairie Home.

[Chris Reavers]

Have you ever played with him?

[Jeff Dayton]

No, I haven't.

[Joe Sucherer]

Do you know Tim Sparks at all? He's with him tonight.

[Jeff Dayton]

I don't. I know. I do know Tom Lieberman. I met him and we're going to have a podcast with him. You know, Joe, you're responsible for my podcast happening. Okay. You're the one that said, oh, my God.

[John Height]

Yes, I've got some things to say about that, too.

[Matthew]

Did you get a consultant fee?

[Chris Reavers]

No.

[Jeff Dayton]

How are we doing for. I haven't made enough to pay him.

[Chris Reavers]

We're fine.

[Jeff Dayton]

That's a podcast, so I want an official podcast.

[John Height]

I really want to promote this podcast because since Jeff was on the Crabby Coffee Shop, I've really done a deep dive on his podcast, Joe. And the first interview I listened to was with a guy named Kevin Odegaard. Do you happen to know who Kevin Odegaard is?

[Chris Reavers]

Why is that name?

[John Height]

It's the story of. Kevin's story is the opposite of what's happening now with AI. Jeff, can you just give us a quick background on Kevin's fame?

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, I'd like to hear you do it.

[Chris Reavers]

It.

[John Height]

So Dylan's recording Blood on the Tracks. Things are not going well. Comes home to Minnesota, looks up Kevin. No. Talks to his brother.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[John Height]

You have to correct me along the way, Jeff, because I get these stories all the time.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah.

[John Height]

Bob calls his brother his brother, we're talking about. Yep. Bob calls his brother, his brother calls Kevin, says, can you find Amanda Lynn? Is that what it was? And Kevin, knowing, thinking, anticipating what was going to happen, called up a few other guys. Bob booked a studio in town, and they basically ended up finishing Blood on the Tracks here in Minnesota, in Minneapolis, actually. A very locally famous studio that was around for years and years, and it took years and years. Bob promised that they would get credit on the album. They didn't. And it took many years before they were actually credited. And the world found out about these Minneapolis musicians.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, like, but you know, Billy Peterson and, you know, all the Peter Ostrusko and all the guys that were on there.

[John Height]

Yeah, Peter.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. Lonnie Knight, great guitar player. We lost him a few years ago, and Lonnie was out of town playing a blues gig on the road. And he got home and they said, guess who Was at sound 80 this last week? And he goes, who? And Bob Dylan and Lonnie, like, I think punched a wall or something. You're kidding me. I missed a Bob Dylan session because that was the house band down there, you know, For Pete's sake.

[John Height]

You also had an interview with a local guy who I had no idea who he was, and it was fascinating, and I learned so much. And I ran his name by John. Of course, John knows him. Russ Hall, a local guy, steel guitar player who's been around the world a time or two with many big acts. I thought that was a fascinating interview.

[Joe Sucherer]

And I had known him. Did you know Michael Johnson, Jeff? Because that's how I first knew Russ.

[Jeff Dayton]

I did meet him. And in fact, the trio that I'm in, Garfunkel, Manilow and Campbell Trio, we're called Sidemen of Note. Tab Laven is a Wisetta guy, and he played with Michael Johnson back in the day.

[Joe Sucherer]

Okay.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. First Marianne McGregor and or Mary McGregor, and then Michael Johnson, and then 25 years with Art Garfunkel. Yeah, but Russ is from Long Lake or actually from Maple Plain. And he's been with. With Elton John, Willie Nelson, T Bone Burnett, I mean, you know, and he's on eight of ten hit records. The number one records on steel guitar. Of the. Of the records, the 10 songs that had steel guitar that were number one in a particular year, eight of them were R us. So.

[Chris Reavers]

Did you ever know Ralo?

[Jeff Dayton]

I. Sadly, I never did. I met Robert Reynolds, who was in the band with him. But man, I was a big fan of Raul Malu and what a voice. And you know, you know, he just, he just. All you ever do is bring me down. I can't do much more than that.

[Chris Reavers]

But there's a lot of news in the news today. No, that didn't make sense.

[Joe Sucherer]

A lot of news.

[Chris Reavers]

There's a lot of news in the world today. And we have to get to it with Johnny Hyde after these. This time out.

[Joe Sucherer]

Wouldn't you rather talk music?

[Chris Reavers]

I would, but there's a lot happening. We gotta. We can't ignore what's happening in the world.

[Gabe]

I got three.

[Jeff Dayton]

Why?

[Gabe]

I'm talking about North American Banking Company. Three accounts at North American Banking Company. Is that a brag? I don't even think that Humble brag. Well, one of them is a debt consolidation, right?

[Matthew]

Which one is overdrawn?

[Chris Reavers]

That's the key.

[Gabe]

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[Jeff Dayton]

Seem to have this unspoken language.

[Gabe]

He's on an E to no basis.

[Chris Reavers]

Here's John Height.

[Gabe]

Nope.

[Matthew]

Thanks, John. You want to talk about welter heating right now? You can if you'd like to.

[Joe Sucherer]

Our unspoken language doesn't work that well.

[Chris Reavers]

Sometimes that's too loud.

[Matthew]

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[Joe Sucherer]

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[Jeff Dayton]

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[Joe Sucherer]

Thank you Joe. This news brought to you by North American banking company. The first results are of KSTP's exclusive Survey USA poll on fraud in Minnesota have been released. The survey asked do you think fraud in state programs is the biggest problem in Minnesota?

[Chris Reavers]

Yes.

[Joe Sucherer]

79% agree with you, Joe. They say it's either the biggest problem or a major problem. Another question asked was has Governor Tim Walls done enough to stop fraud in Minnesota?

[Chris Reavers]

No.

[Joe Sucherer]

Well, again they agree with you. 14% say he has done enough.

[Chris Reavers]

What's wrong with those people, I wonder.

[Joe Sucherer]

Another 69% says he does need to do more. As you'll not these totals are not equaling a hundred. Yes, there are lots of people saying.

[Chris Reavers]

I don't know, I don't know, I'm not sure, I have no opinion. I, I don't know who's no opinion.

[Joe Sucherer]

The survey also asked if they think the legislature has done enough. 11% yes. Again they agree with you Joe. 11% say yes. 74 say the legislature needs to do more.

[Chris Reavers]

How many said I'm not sure.

[Joe Sucherer]

Well, 74 and 11 is 85.

[Chris Reavers]

So 15 and said I don't know.

[Joe Sucherer]

Or maybe they said just about right.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, just about right.

[Joe Sucherer]

According to the Department of Homeland Security, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement has arrested over 400 undocumented immigrants in Minnesota since it began Operation Metro Surge in Minnesota. The operation is an effort by Homeland Security to arrest undocumented immigrants who they said had previous criminal convictions in the US in the same press release in which Assistant Secretary McLaughlin gave her statements were the the worst of the worst arrests she said made in Minnesota. Most of the charges against the 10 worst were forms of sexual crimes. Four of the 10 came from Laos. Others came from Mexico, Ecuador. One listed by the DHS is coming from Burma, that country now formerly named Myanmar and one from Somalia.

[Matthew]

Any, any from Anguilla?

[Joe Sucherer]

None from Anguilla.

[Matthew]

Okay.

[Joe Sucherer]

13 year old student, 13 years old in Moorhead arrested after police say he brought about 1500 pills suspected of containing Fentanyl. The school the Morehead Police Department said that just before 12pm Friday, a student at Horizon Middle School reported to staff that another student had a large number of blue pills. School staff detained the student and the pills were safely secured. Police say that about 1500 pills were in the 13 year old's possession. Testing by the Morehead Police Department narcotics unit revealed the pills were suspected to be fentanyl laced counterfeit M30 pills. The child was arrested for first degree possession of a controlled substance was brought to the West Central Juvenile Detention Center.

[Matthew]

Was his intent to sell or just to be braggadocious?

[Joe Sucherer]

We did not say okay, yeah. A man found dead after a shooting outside Stewartville High School on Friday morning was a former student at the district who had wrestled at the school. At around 5am Friday, the T18 was shot and critically injured in the school parking lot as the wrestling team waited on a bus to go to a. A man was also found dead in the parking lot, according to the Olmsted County Sheriff's Office. Olmsted County Sheriff Kevin Torgerson said this morning that 19 year old Logan Moyer was the person found dead in the parking lot. The sheriff added that early indications are Moyer died by suicide. Torgerson also confirmed that the teenage victim remains hospitalized in critical but stable condition. Investigators are still working, they say, to determine the relationship between the victim and Moir, but there does appear to be a connection to the wrestling program, according to the sheriff. However, Torgerson emphasized that Moyer was not a coach, volunteer or anything else with the wrestling program at this time. Students and staff at Stuartville Public Schools returning to class today for the first time since the shooting. Extra support is there and available. The district, located roughly 10 miles south of Rochester, opened late to ease students back and allow staff to meet with principals, principals and counseling staff. We're gonna take a short break here before we get to some national international stuff, but I want to remind you about my friends at Aura Frames. Christmas is tough. You know why? You don't know what to buy for stuff for free for people, right?

[Chris Reavers]

What are you gonna get them?

[Joe Sucherer]

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[Matthew]

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[Joe Sucherer]

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[Chris Reavers]

Frames.

[Matthew]

Okay.

[Joe Sucherer]

Truth, justice and the superiority.

[Gabe]

Safe to say that we are nuts. And we are nuts. Smn.com handmade right here in the great state of Minnesota. A wonderful family owned operation. I gotta tell you, I was making some travels and you know what helped me?

[Chris Reavers]

I don't.

[Gabe]

The cinnamon toffee peanuts. Jeff, you're in town. You know I'm gonna get you the cashews when you're on the road. What do you want?

[Chris Reavers]

Why don't you ask him what he likes?

[Jeff Dayton]

Oh, I love cashews.

[Gabe]

Cashews, maple bourbon, toffee almonds. We also have the Hokey Pokey popcorn, which is fantastic. The fellas here in Studio Gabe, you woofed down the entire caramel apple popcorn that was there as well. Yeah, I am. I'm gonna wind it up and I'm gonna tell you all about we are nuts and we arenutsmn.com you're entertaining this time of the year. So get yourself the best snacks that Minnesota has to offer. With a wonderful family owned operation. Lunds and Barleys, Kowalskis, Frettelloni's, Cub Foods, Kwik Trip. And also now available at Cub Foods. Did I already mention Cub Foods? Doesn't matter. Go to wearenutsmn.com, place your order and let them know that you heard about them here on the garagelogic podcast.

[Joe Sucherer]

Thanks, Chris. In national and international news, a gunman who targeted students at Brown University sanity remains at large after authorities said they would release the person of interest that they had from custody. A gunman who is yet to be publicly identified killed two people, wounded nine others. Others. One of the wounded victims in critical condition as of this morning. It happened about 4 o' clock Eastern Time. A mass gunman entered the university's engineering building and opened fire on people in the hallway. He then entered the first floor lecture hall where a group of about 60 students was wrapping up an economic study session. Some students managed to escape through the room's side doors. Many more were shot while hiding under desks. Law enforcement officials say the attacker fired more than 40 rounds from a 9 millimeter handgun gun before fleeing. The introductory class, Principles of Economics has 475 registered students, of whom about 80% are freshmen.

[Chris Reavers]

I didn't know Brown was in Providence, Rhode Island.

[Matthew]

It's funny, my wife said the same thing. I knew it was out East. I didn't know it was in Providence.

[Chris Reavers]

It sounds like it's not a failed academy. It sounds like you have to really study there as opposed to get a degree in gender studies.

[Joe Sucherer]

Two gunmen, a father and his son, attacked a Hanukkah event in Sydney, Australia, yesterday, killing at least 15 people, wounding dozens more. One gunman was killed while the other is in custody. Authorities called the shooting a terrorist attack on Australia's Jewish community. It took place shortly before 6:45pm local time at Bondi Beach, Australia's most popular beach, where hundreds had gathered to celebrate the first night of Hanukkah. Witnesses say the two attackers emerged from behind a small silver hatchback parked by a footbridge and opened fire on the crowd. A bystander was recorded tackling one of the gunmen and wrestling a rifle from his hands. Improvised explosive devices were later found in one of the suspect's car. The bystander who tackled one of the gunmen is being hailed as a hero. He was injured, according to Australian officials. They identified him as Ahmed El Ahmed. El Ahmed is an Australian citizen who immigrated from Syria in 2006 and owns a fruit shop. His parents said that Elame had been having coffee with a friend near the beach when he heard the gunshots. He ran toward the shooting. He tackled one gunman, took away his rifle. After that happened, the other gunman fired at Elamede. That caused his injuries as he was hit several times.

[Chris Reavers]

Elamid could have shot the shooter, right. And did not.

[John Height]

Is he gonna survive?

[Chris Reavers]

Yes.

[Joe Sucherer]

Yeah, he was actually talking to, I think.

[Chris Reavers]

Okay.

[Joe Sucherer]

Mayor of the area in a clip I saw.

[Chris Reavers]

Early reports indicate not a stalwart performance by the police department, but on this story you need your 72 hour rule.

[Joe Sucherer]

Definitely two US soldiers and one civilian US interpreter killed in Syria on Saturday after they were ambushed by a likely ISIS gunman. The gunman was killed by partner forces during a skirmish, according to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. Three other service members were injured during the incident in Syria, Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell said. Two U.S. officials told ABC News the wounded were American. A person familiar with the shooting said early indications are the shooter had at one point been affiliated with the Syrian security forces, but was not currently active. The shooter attacked the US And Syrian personnel from a distance at an adjacent building and was not part of the meeting that was taking place. In a post on X, US Central Command described the shooter as a lone ISIS gunman. The son of Fame director Rob Reiner is in custody of the LA County Sheriff's Department after Reiner and his wife Michelle Singer were found dead in their LA home yesterday. 32 year old Nick Reiner being held on $4 million bail after being booked on a felony charge early this morning. Director Reiner and his wife Michelle Singer were found dead in the home in the afternoon, according to a statement from their family. Reiner, the son of comedy legend Carl Reiner, first became known for playing son in law Michael Stivic and All in the Family. He went on to become one of Hollywood's top directors with a string of hits that included the Prince's Bride, When Harry Met Sally, Stand By Me, this is Spinal Tap, A Few Good Men, Misery and more. After that string of hits, he turns his attention to smaller independent films, saying Hollywood had abandoned storytelling for big budget films. Tributes to Reiner for his work in the entertainment field and his generous spirit with aspiring actors and directors poured in from friends in the business like Ron Howard, Christopher Guest and his wife, Jamie Lee Curtis, director Paul Fig, Paul McCartney, Eric Idle, Ben Stiller, Elijah Wood and many, many more.

[Jeff Dayton]

What is it?

[John Height]

Is this something? On Friday night I watched Spinal Tap.

[Joe Sucherer]

The new one or the.

[John Height]

No, the old, the original. Is that something where I watch Rob Reiner and then two days later he's gone?

[Chris Reavers]

I don't think you had anything to do with it.

[John Height]

That's nothing. And my other thing for you, John, is Rob recently did a podcast, I think it was six or seven episodes about JFK and Dealey Plaza that I thought thought was fascinating and a very well done podcast.

[Joe Sucherer]

I I listened to two or three episodes. I did not hear the whole thing. Yeah, A Duluth hunter has been charged with illegally taking a moose, which he told officers he thought was a deer.

[Chris Reavers]

No.

[John Height]

No.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, let John finish and I think you'll understand.

[John Height]

No, no, I'm already out.

[Chris Reavers]

No, but I think there's an explanation.

[Joe Sucherer]

The Duluth man faces a gross misdemeanor charge after allegedly shooting the animal November 8, the opening day of the firearms deer season just north of Cotton. Minnesota has not had a moose season since 2012 as the once thriving population began a rapid, rapid decline about 20 years ago. This incident reported to the Department of Natural resources shortly after 9 in the morning. According to the criminal complaint, conservation officers Shane Zavodnik and Jake Peterson responded to. Responded met the man and his hunting party at their camp in the Melroud area. The man allegedly said he was in his stand when he saw what he thought was deer antlers and shot the animal. He fired again, causing it to fall. Officers learned he had sent a message to another member of his group stating, quote, I bleeped up and shot a moose. A hunter said his stand faces east and that the trees and glare from the sun made it hard to see. But he thought he was shooting at a six point white tailed deer. The moose was found approximately 110 yards away from the stand. Both officers reported the man's eyes were bloodshot and watery and that he smelled of alcohol. He allegedly acknowledged drinking beer the previous night and a preliminary breath test showed a blood alcohol concentration of 0.10, which is higher than the legal limit for driving. The officer seized the man's rifle and the moose was turned over to the 1854 treaty authority, which manages off reservation tribal hunting rights in northeastern Minnesota. State law sets restitution for the illegal taking of a moose at $1,000 dollars. The charge itself carries a fine of up to three grand. He was issued a summons to appear in state district court in Virginia on February 20th.

[Chris Reavers]

I hope somebody gets to eat the moose.

[John Height]

A lot of times that gets donated to food shelves. So yeah, there's a 100 chance that that happened. He turned himself in, right? He's the one that called the dnr.

[Joe Sucherer]

Yeah, that's why I understood.

[John Height]

So if he wouldn't have been drunk, he probably would have been just given a small fine and sent home. Let's turn to Gabe and Matthew. What are one. You both took the firearms training class together. One of you can answer this question. What is one of the first? I'm going to say top three things, the rules that you should know when handling a firearm.

[Gabe]

Don't be s faced.

[Matthew]

Finish all your beer. So there's no evidence.

[John Height]

Okay. Know what you're shooting and what's beyond.

[Chris Reavers]

Yes.

[John Height]

Yep. Thank you.

[Matthew]

I went for the combat. I would have said that. You know, I would have said that right away.

[John Height]

Thank you.

[Chris Reavers]

Gabe.

[Joe Sucherer]

Yeah. Here.

[Gabe]

When Johnny was reading the story, all I kept thinking was I know it was my ex wife.

[Jeff Dayton]

I thought it was a deer.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, moose are pretty big in case you didn't know that. Thank you, Joe.

[Jeff Dayton]

I didn't know my grandfather when he was at the Restaurant they said, Mr. Dayton, would you like some dessert? And he said, but what do you have said, well, we have ice cream and chocolate cake and we have moose. He goes, moose. I told my wife she was my dear, not my moose. And with that I leave.

[Chris Reavers]

That's terrible, Joe.

[Gabe]

Jeff, based upon the things that are happening here in the studio, would Joe make a good floor director? When he hears something that's a little bit out of sequence, that's too loud.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, the music is too loud. Loud and you can't hear these things.

[John Height]

He could be an engineer or a producer. Studio.

[Jeff Dayton]

It ranks right up there with a restaurant. I was playing at up here one time and I'm on a little stool. It's a pretty non big gig, you know, right by where people come and go and they bump you when they're coming in, try to get a table.

[Chris Reavers]

And I.

[Jeff Dayton]

And I'm just getting started and this lady goes, turn it down. We can't hear the hockey.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Jeff Dayton]

Oh, yeah. I knew Minnesota.

[John Height]

Without telling me, right?

[Jeff Dayton]

I was here. I was here. Yeah. Actually, it was down in Burnsville.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, that's a tough room.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

Sorry.

[Jeff Dayton]

You know, though, hey, what the heck?

[Joe Sucherer]

Chris knows this place. I used to play at a brewery, which. It was a great gig, actually. And I love the people that ran it, but they were big fans of the Auburn football team.

[Jeff Dayton]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Sucherer]

So when we were scheduled to play on Saturday nights, they wouldn't let us start if Auburn was playing. So we would have to sit and twiddle our thumbs and wait for the Auburn game.

[Gabe]

You don't with foot box.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. Down in the south, man, you got to have your SEC knowledge and you got to have a driver, you know, who's your driver? Who's your driver? So I picked Rusty Wallace, blue number two. He's gone retired. So no fights over that.

[Chris Reavers]

They take their football serious.

[Jeff Dayton]

Oh, they do. And if you're at a bar down there and somebody wants to hear Rocky Top, then the next guy wants to hear Colin Baton Rouge, and the next guy wants to hear Sweet Home Alabama. And the next guy wants to hear the Seminole win and you are toast from then on. And then it's. Oh, man.

[Matthew]

And then nobody's watching hockey.

[Jeff Dayton]

No, no, not that. Well, that. You know, the Preds are a big deal down there. You know, there's. There's hockey down there, but no, I think SEC and NASCAR rule the roofs.

[Chris Reavers]

John, are you still motoring?

[Joe Sucherer]

I can. If you'd like me to go, I can stop.

[Chris Reavers]

Okay, let's go. I think we'll wrap it up.

[Joe Sucherer]

Let's go with the The Air force incident the US Southern Command reviewing an incident in which a JetBlue flight and a US Air Force aircraft almost collided in midair near Venezuela on Friday. In a statement, U.S. southern Command said military air crews are highly trained professionals who operate in accordance with established procedures and applicable airspace requirements. US Southern Command spokesperson Colonel Manny Ortez said the JetBlue flight was traveling from Curacao off the coast of Venezuela, Venezuela to New York City when a pilot spotted the Air Force tanker. U.S. southern Command operates in the region amid a rise in tensions between Venezuela and the US with the Trump administration conducting strikes on the alleged drug boats in the Caribbean Sea and Eastern Pacific. In a statement, JetBlue said the flight crew promptly reported the incident to leadership. Air Traffic control audio documents the moment the JetBlue pilot reported the military aircraft passed about 2 to 5 miles in front of the plane. Plane the pilot said they passed directly in our flight path and we had to stop our climb. Pilot also said the tanker did not have its transponder on. Transponder is an electric device that allows air traffic control to track an aircraft accurately. One way transponders do that is by squawking or sending a code to air traffic control to identify itself and provide information. A squawk code was not used during the incident. There are times when squawk is not used to communicate aircraft information, like during military operations. According to US official familiar with the incident, the tanker was within approved range of the JetBlue flight and it's not uncommon for military aircraft to fly with transponders off.

[John Height]

To me that was a non story. The JetBlue guy is a bunch of crybabies.

[Chris Reavers]

Over the weekend I read more about the trip Machado made from Caracas to Norway. Yeah, I was complaining about the coverage of it when I initially read about it but but it was so full of secrets that I can see that they had to be so careful in writing it and her smuggling successful. That was performed by a private company. There are companies apparently you can hire to move you to get you someplace and they're staffed by former military people and things like that.

[John Height]

The government uses them so they have. It's kind of a hands off. No, it's not our deal. Even though they're the ones that hired them.

[Chris Reavers]

Jeff Dayton, will you do something for us when we retain return? Yes, we'll be. We'll be back shortly.

[Jeff Dayton]

Glad to.

[Joe Sucherer]

Hear.

[Chris Reavers]

The Earth is not your mother. The Joe Sugiray Show I'm warning At G Ellers we had Stephen C. And Pat Donahue and Jillian in here. Friday was delightful. We've got Jeff dating with us today. I'm afraid tomorrow we're going to have to return to the Spoiled World.

[John Height]

Joe, I just realized something earlier in the show. You know, we've been talking about starting our own GL band. But why would we when we have Pat Donahue, Stephen A, Jeff Dayton, John Height, Dylan Height. All we need is a competent drummer.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, I. I had volunteered to try out.

[John Height]

Like I said, all we need is a competent drummer.

[Chris Reavers]

And I said. Said I'd try out.

[John Height]

Just somebody who can keep up with a click track. Joe, Anybody that just owns maybe a snare and a kick and a cymbal, maybe a Hi.

[Matthew]

Just follow their heartbeat.

[John Height]

Just, just, you know, any old guy would work. Joe.

[Gabe]

Try to keep up.

[Chris Reavers]

Might very well be calling us later this week from Anguilla. That's not written in stone. We don't know that yet.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yep. Gotta find out.

[Chris Reavers]

But if you are there, we anticipate the call and set it up with Reavers.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, I'd love to.

[Chris Reavers]

What will you do for us? Right a minute.

[Gabe]

How about the life of him? Yeah, I might go to Anguilla this week. Here we are.

[Chris Reavers]

It depends on looking for a beach.

[John Height]

Well, Jeff, I might go to Fleet Farm later this week.

[Jeff Dayton]

I like Fleet Farm. I like that place. Yeah, I might save big money somewhere, you know.

[Chris Reavers]

What are you going to do for us?

[Jeff Dayton]

I'll do anything you need.

[Chris Reavers]

Kenny requested When It's Cold in Texas.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, that's the first single right now.

[Chris Reavers]

All right.

[Jeff Dayton]

I've got those Arizona roots. You know, I. I still. I love my, my. My Wrangler Days out in Arizona, you know, playing all the stuff we did. And, you know, I had an early break from George Straight, and he cut one of my songs. And really on the Fort Worth album, which was.

[Joe Sucherer]

No kidding.

[Jeff Dayton]

No, I'm not kidding. I don't kid on here. I mean, I don't. You know, hopefully you get all the. All the real stuff, but that was really a big break. And then, of course, playing with Glenn Campbell was equally as big.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, hell yes.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. But this is the first song on the, um. Come on, John, help me out. He doesn't have the guitar either, that he's playing. Quiet. When it's cold in Texas it cuts right through your clothes the cows crowd together and lovers hold each other close there's frost on the window and blankets aren't enough when it's cold in Texas that's when I miss your love there's snow on the hilltop blankets on it's no warmth in the sun I shiver with three grand for all the foolish things I've done and there's snow on the hilltops this is what I was trying to get to. And that's along the coast. When it's cold in Texas that's when I miss you most I wish that. That we were somewhere warm Laughing in the sun Making memories like we used to do like an Anguilla. Yeah, there's snow on the hilltops I said that before. And I Slow cold in Texas that's when I miss you most yeah, when it's cold in Texas that's when I miss you most.

[Chris Reavers]

Man, that's good stuff.

[Jeff Dayton]

Thank you.

[Chris Reavers]

Do you like playing with people or by yourself better?

[Jeff Dayton]

I'm fine either way. I mean, I've learned to get fearless with the guitar. I mean, as a songwriter in Nashville, you probably better resign to the idea that you're going to have to back your. Yourself up.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[Jeff Dayton]

And so I love doing that. I mean, I love. I love having a great band. I mean, nothing's cooler than when you're cutting a record and you've got the A list. Guys like Lonnie Wilson's on my new record. He's on about 125 number one records, you know, that kind of thing. Mike Johnson's on steel on especially on this song. And he's playing all the Zach Top stuff, you know, the records that they've done here lately. And Jimmy Carter is also playing on Zach's stuff. And Russ Paul's on here. He's been, you know, it's a good record. I'm really proud of it. It just released this weekend.

[Chris Reavers]

It's called. Well, I Got to Put My Glasses On.

[Jeff Dayton]

That's All Right.

[Chris Reavers]

It's called Songs from the Walnut Room.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yes, sir.

[Chris Reavers]

And I'm proud to have a copy.

[John Height]

That Heartbreaker is a good setup for the question I have for you guys, and there's no wrong answer here. I just want opinions, and it's regarding a couple of Glenn Campbell's songs. Which of these two songs, to you personally, is more of a heartbreaker? Wichita Lineman or By the Time I Get to Phoenix. Which one really breaks your heart more?

[Chris Reavers]

Wichita Lineman does it for me.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, I can't play that, can I?

[Joe Sucherer]

No contest. Wichita Lineman might be one of my, you know, if you put a gun to my head, 20 favorite songs ever.

[Chris Reavers]

Why can't you play it?

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, it's. It's not my.

[Chris Reavers]

Can you play this song?

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. We wish we could.

[Chris Reavers]

But Glenn would give you permission.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, except it. Jimmy Webb's song.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, that's right.

[Jeff Dayton]

All right, yeah. Glenn did a record of it, but. Yeah, I know, I understand.

[John Height]

But you have to admit, by the time I get to Phoenix, that one, that's a tier three or two.

[Jeff Dayton]

There's another one too, that Jimmy Webb wrote called if these Old Walls Could Speak. Yeah, and that's a class A classic. That sounds like an AI voice.

[Chris Reavers]

What's the one with the sleeping roll.

[Jeff Dayton]

Rolled up behind the as gentle on my mind? Yeah, it's knowing that your door's open and your path is free to walk that makes me tend to leave my sleeping bag rolled up and stashed behind your couch. Oh, yeah, John Hartford. And boy, what an interesting guy he was. I loved spending time with him. In fact, about, let's see, the January of 91, we kicked off the Good Time tour in Punta Gorda and Sanibel island and Fort Myers and Naples down.

[Chris Reavers]

Down there.

[Jeff Dayton]

And you didn't have any fun? No, it was terrible. And we had a day off at the Sinesta Sanibel. And I look over at John, we're the last two guys at lunch, and it's, you know, potted plants with hanging, you know, tropical birds. And it's just the second story veranda kind of restaurant. And I look over and he's got two feet of dental floss hanging out of his mouth. What do you say? And we spent the afternoon, just the two of us, walking the beach, and I got to ask him all those rookie questions about, you know, what did you mean by that song? This song, you know, and how was this? And he was so kind to me, you know, and he had this one thing called Station Break. And it goes like this. Bill Randall, 650WSM, the badge wide Endurance Contest, and Bashful Johnny C. Home of the grand old Conglomeration, Fannie Hill University and the bathtub of the south. It's 7:30.

[John Height]

Nice.

[Jeff Dayton]

Wow, nice. And I said, what is that thing? And he says, what? Well, I was in. In a particularly altered state one night and I was listening to the radio and that's what I thought I heard.

[John Height]

Can I put in a request for your. Your podcast?

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[John Height]

Get Jimmy Webb.

[Jeff Dayton]

That would be delightful.

[John Height]

You got to get him, you know.

[Jeff Dayton]

Nobody'S ever interviewed him.

[John Height]

Lord knows the what he says and what Glenn Campbell says about that song Wichita Lineman and how Jimmy gave it to him, but it wasn't completed, but Glenn finished it anyway.

[Jeff Dayton]

Actually, Glenn had nothing to do with finishing it he recorded the rough draft he sent. Jimmy sent over two verses. He said, doesn't have a title. I don't even know if this is the right direction, but I've got two verses and there's no chorus yet or anything like that. And he never heard back from Glenn until he ran into him in person in about a week later. And because Glenn was in the studio when he called, Jimmy said, we need another song about a town. Well, anyway, that when Glenn told Jimmy that they had recorded it, he just about lost it. And he said. Glenn said, no, it was perfect. And that's the incomplete rough draft. Yeah. So Glenn knew a hit song. And I'll tell you, too, and I probably told you this, Kenny, that you know, that Glenn worked in the Wrecking Crew for five solid years. And they did that all day. Every. Every five days a week, they would take a demo and they would turn it into a hit. So it needed. Carol K was the one who came up with the.

[John Height]

The beginning.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, because Glenn said, we were just gonna do this, you know, just play rhythm like on Phoenix. And Carol said, no, you gotta have something that sounds like flattering a plate of water, you know, so. And she played that lick. And, you know, Glenn knew what to do with the song. So when Wichita Lyman came to him, you know, he said, yeah, this is a great song. And if you think about it, well, it's got that line that everybody refers to, too, right. You know, I need you more than want you, and then a double down multiplier factor, and I want you for all time.

[John Height]

And Jimmy said later that that was kind of a mistake. And he wish he, you know, he would have made something that rhymes with that line. But it was too late because Glenn recorded it.

[Jeff Dayton]

Jimmy was very particular about rhymes. And he and I had a conversation at Glenn's 60th birthday party. And we were in all in Branson. And Jimmy was writing his book called at the time. And he said, I do three or four pages on yellow legal paper, and I don't rhyme or do anything. But he insists on perfect rhymes. And if you think about it and the way that rhymes are hidden and then pop up again in the next verse. And it was from the verse before, but it's a perfect match. That's what he would try for. And I'm sure that he would say, yeah, that's pretty close, Jeff.

[John Height]

There's traces of Jimmy Webb in Paul Westerberg's writing. He's another great lyric assist. But I really. You got to do, like two to Three hours with Jimmy Webb. I just. I really craving that.

[Jeff Dayton]

Well, I'll see if he's got five minutes and then we'll go from there because he's a busy guy. I've had Carl Jackson on. You know, Carl was the band leader with Glenn before me, and he was part of the birthday retrospective we did last year. Joe, I want to thank you for letting me start Count it off. I mean, my podcast is. It's growing by the ones and twos.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, because you can get the. The guests.

[Jeff Dayton]

I've had some fun. Yeah, yeah. And I've had Phil Solem from the Rembrandts, who's a Minneapolis guy, you know, I mean, they wrote the theme song for Friends and you know, there. Chris Losinger was a recent guest. He's played on every record Garth Brooks ever cut. Great guitarist and a great guitar player and a great guy. And I've got more to come and I, you know, I mean, it's fun. I've actually had people calling me. We've got John Schneider lined up for some point, the Dukes of Hazzard and that Be fun.

[Gabe]

John had a good time with him when he was doing the Morning short cast 95.

[John Height]

Really?

[Joe Sucherer]

Well, it wasn't my idea. I had nothing to do with it. Leave me out of this. We got him very angry with us.

[Chris Reavers]

It's always fun when you're here, man. Anytime.

[Jeff Dayton]

Thank you, Joe.

[Chris Reavers]

You know that we have people that send us this day in history, which is kind of a corny radio bit, but we do it because these people travel the world and send it from.

[Gabe]

Wherever they are, like the equator.

[Chris Reavers]

They're the traveling Lymans. And listen to this. Now they're wrapping up of a sea voyage. Saturday morning, we disembarked a cruise ship in Brisbane, Australia, traveled to the Brisbane International Airport, boarded a China airline flight and flew to Auckland, New Zealand. There's a 19 hour time difference between Minnesota and New Zealand. What date is this? Is this the 15th?

[Joe Sucherer]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

When? It's Monday, 1:30pm in Minnesota. Is. It's Tuesday, 8:30am in New Zealand.

[Gabe]

Wait, so they have the winning Powerball numbers from last night.

[Chris Reavers]

So it was on this day. It was on this day, Joe.

[Gabe]

Today is December 15th.

[Chris Reavers]

In 1856, Walter Winchell became the state geographer. No, that wasn't his name. Walter, was it?

[Joe Sucherer]

Walter Winchell.

[Jeff Dayton]

Newton Horace Winchell.

[Chris Reavers]

Newton Horse Winchell. You know, on this day in 1856, a lyceum was organized in St. Paul. Lyceums were cultural center that sponsored lectures Classes and other activities. On this day, Joe.

[Gabe]

Today is 10 days before Christmas, December 15th.

[Chris Reavers]

In 1864, four Minnesota regiments helped defeat the Confederate army of General John Bell Hood outside Nashville, Tennessee. Over the course of this two day battle, the Minnesota losses, 302 killed, wounded or missed, missing, were the greatest the state suffered in any Civil War engagement. On this day, December 15th in 1887, the first issue of the Northfield Independent appeared. The newspaper's editor declared that it comes in its own independent way without first having asked to leave to be, but intends to justify its being by filling a vacant journalistic place in this city and the surrounding country. It will labor that the homes it is permitted to enter may be brighter and purer for its coming, their burdens lightened if possible, their industries ennobled.

[Gabe]

I have had my name in the Northfield Independent newspaper.

[Chris Reavers]

That's quite a big deal for a small town paper, isn't it?

[Gabe]

Yes, it is.

[Chris Reavers]

It lighten the world on this day, Joe.

[Gabe]

Today is December 15th.

[Chris Reavers]

In 1892, J. Paul Getty was born in Minneapolis. An entrepreneur, he became a billionaire in the oil business. And he bequeathed much of his fortune to the Getty Trust, a philanthropic organization that supported the visual arts. And on this day in sports disappointment history, who'd we lose to? On this day, December 15, 1978, the Minnesota Phillies played their first scheme. Is that basketball? Yes. And lost to the cornets 103 to 81. I have no idea what that refers to.

[Gabe]

Sure.

[Chris Reavers]

None. Zero. Who are the Phillies?

[Joe Sucherer]

They were an American women's professional basketball team in the women's profession league from.

[Chris Reavers]

78 to 81. Who were the Cornets? What town were they?

[Jeff Dayton]

The Phillies must have been F. I.

[Chris Reavers]

L L. You are correct.

[Joe Sucherer]

Correct, yes.

[Chris Reavers]

Anyway, they lost their first ever game.

[Gabe]

Before we Let you go, Mr. Jeff Dayton, website information. Where can we find that podcast and upcoming tour information, sir?

[Jeff Dayton]

Okay, the website is jeffdaytonmusic.com and you got. Your listeners are wonderful. I met a couple people Saturday morning. You're Jeff Dayton, the singer. You're on garagelogic. You sound so much younger on the air. Thanks.

[Chris Reavers]

Was this at a place in San St. Paul?

[Jeff Dayton]

No, this was Minneapolis. Over to this way. But they are loyal glers good. And I got cornered by a lady last night. Tell Joe I said you tell him. But. Well, tell Rookie. I said you tell Rookie. Yeah, that's exactly what I say.

[John Height]

You know, I do not deliver messages.

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah, you know, it's like if I had a nickel for every. Tell old Glenn, you know, you got a Lot of that.

[Joe Sucherer]

Yeah.

[Jeff Dayton]

I'm on YouTube. Jeff Davis. The podcast is called Count it Off and it drops a new episode every Tuesday morning, early in the morning, and I hope you'll check it out. There's a wonderful interview with Joe Sucre on there. Very short one, but a fun one that we did last summer.

[Gabe]

Is he as impatient as a guest as he is as the host of the show?

[Jeff Dayton]

I would say that he's more patient than you might be.

[John Height]

Really?

[Jeff Dayton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Gabe]

I'm proud of you.

[Jeff Dayton]

He has that. That age wisdom, you know, that wonderful quality of. He's gonna summarize it in a minute. Let him get to it.

[Chris Reavers]

Right?

[John Height]

Yeah.

[Jeff Dayton]

So, yeah, but that's.

[Gabe]

Hurry up and get to the question.

[Jeff Dayton]

And Instagram. Is Jeff Dayton on Instagram? And turn it down. I can't hear the hockey.

[Gabe]

Jeff, you're the best man.

[Chris Reavers]

Thank you very much.

[Jeff Dayton]

Thank you. And I hope to be island.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, we'll know later this week.

[Jeff Dayton]

I'll let you know.

[Gabe]

May or may not be an Anguillo. I'll let you know.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, let me know.

[Jeff Dayton]

I'll wear my T shirt though. And I will be on video just for that.

[Chris Reavers]

Thank you, Gio.

[Jeff Dayton]

You're the best.

[Gabe]

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[Jeff Dayton]

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[Gabe]

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