1/8 How you see the ICE incident depends on the very foundation of logic, as in Garage Logic

Summary

Garage Logic Podcast Summary

Episode: 1/8/26 – How You See the ICE Incident Depends on the Very Foundation of Logic
Host: Joe Soucheray ("The Mayor")
Panel: John Randall, Kenny Olson, John Height, Chris Reavers (and Matt)
Date: January 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on a recent and highly controversial shooting by ICE agents in Minneapolis, exploring the incident through the lens of "Garage Logic"—an ethos emphasizing common sense and reasoned inference, rather than political fervor or emotionalism. The conversation probes how perceptions of the incident are shaped by logic, personal experience, and political context. The show also examines related topics like rising political polarization, law enforcement protocols, and a divisive plan to close Minneapolis parkways to cars.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What is Logic? (00:44–03:54)

• The show opens with a playful yet pointed discussion about the meaning of "logic".
  • John Randall: "Logic is drawing a valid inference...deducting a valid inference based on your own sense of the facts." [03:05]
  • Joe Soucheray: "Common sense."
  • Randall uses the color of a pencil ("blue pencil theory") as a light analogy for the idea that logic is about observing facts and making reasonable conclusions, despite others' attempts to muddy the waters.

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2. Dissecting the ICE Shooting Incident (04:17–29:15)

Facts and Immediate Reactions (04:17–12:09)

• The panel reviews available videos of the incident involving Renee Goode—a woman shot and killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis.
  • Joe observes details in the video, like Goode turning her wheels to the right, seemingly to leave, and the ICE agent stepping toward, not away from, her vehicle before firing.
  • "If you're fearing for your life, aren't you backpedaling?... He went towards the vehicle." – John Randall [06:31]
• Discussion about the importance of waiting for facts (the "48-hour rule") versus the temptation to draw immediate conclusions.

Law Enforcement Protocol & Policy (10:26–11:21)

• Citing policies and Supreme Court precedent: deadly force at/against a fleeing vehicle is justified only in specific, dire threats (imminent death/serious bodily injury).
  • "That was not evident to me." – John Randall [11:13]

Societal Responsibility and "Actions Have Consequences" (12:23–15:46)

• Joe raises a common argument: people shouldn’t put themselves in dangerous situations with law enforcement.
  • "I'm not blaming the woman... my point is, we do have so many people roaming in our society that think I can do whatever I want whenever I want and nothing is going to happen to me. And I have a problem with that mindset." – Joe Soucheray [13:19]
• The panel debates whether such reasoning "blames the victim" and the fairness of that logic.

Political vs. Logical Perspectives (17:07–21:13)

• The conversation tries to strip away political influences (Trump, Kristi Noem, etc.) to purely examine the facts:
  • "Take all these other players out of it...what you have? You have a woman shot to death trying to leave..." – John Randall [20:17]
  • The group notes it's almost impossible to do this because the political climate shapes reactions and behaviors on both sides.

Diverging Conclusions (21:13–25:19)

• Some panelists, like John Randall and John Height, feel after 24 hours the shooting looks unjustified. Others, like Kenny Olson, urge caution and withholding judgment.
  • "I'm not jumping to conclusions right now, rook." – Kenny Olson [22:09]

Logic vs. Political Polarization (23:24–25:34)

• Noting that people interpret facts through political lenses, leading to divergent perceptions—even with the same evidence.
  • "If you’re a Trumper, this was justified. If you’re not, it wasn’t." – John Randall [23:39]
  • "We are really, really out there on the left or you're really, really out there on the right. That's not what garage logic is." – John Randall [25:34]

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3. Follow-Up on Investigation, Political Reactions, and Media Narratives (29:15–44:32)

• The panel scrutinizes statements by politicians like Kristi Noem and the shifting narratives in initial media coverage.
  • "On the one hand, she said we don't have all the facts and then she proceeded to tell you exactly what happened. Well, she can't have it both ways." – John Randall [29:15]
• A discussion about the FBI taking control from state investigators, fueling skepticism about transparency and accountability.
• The group highlights the challenge of having dispassionate local examinations of incidents due to immediate federal intervention and political messaging.
• Emotional reflection on political alienation and a sense that the U.S. is caught in a "whirlwind" of division and declining trust in institutions.
  • "I'm a man without a country. I'm a man without a political party." – John Randall [42:55]
  • "I feel sorry for little kids who are never gonna experience the America I experienced." – John Randall [44:00]

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4. Digressions, Humor, and Local Issues

On Modern Truck Repairs (48:00–53:25)

• Light-hearted discussion about the rising cost and complexity of vehicle repairs, relating to Minnesota winters and the culture of two-car garages.

Minneapolis Parkways Car Ban Proposal (73:00–85:27)

• The panel discusses Minneapolis Park Board President Tom Olson’s proposal to ban cars from city parkways.
  • Strong criticism is leveled at anti-car activism and the lack of broad public support.
  • "People like this should not be given a voice." – Kenny Olson [84:19]

Local News Wrap (54:01–73:47)

• John Height provides updates on community reactions to the ICE shooting, Minneapolis schools closures, and other regional stories.

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5. Memorable Quotes

• "Logic is the systematic study of correct reasoning and valid inference, providing rules and methods to distinguish sound arguments from flawed ones." – Kenny Olson [25:19]
• "You are asking me to disbelieve my own eyes. I was asked to disbelieve what I saw." – John Randall [08:07]
• "This is a function of a divided country. If you’re a Trumper, this was justified. If you’re not, it wasn’t." – John Randall [23:39]
• "I feel sorry for little kids who are never gonna experience the America I experienced." – John Randall [44:00]

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Important Timestamps

• Logic and Blue Pencil Analogy: 01:46–03:54
• Description of ICE incident: 04:17–07:46
• Law enforcement protocol (deadly force policy): 10:26–11:21
• Debate on "actions have consequences": 12:07–15:46
• "No Trump, No Noem" Exercise: 17:07–20:32
• Panelists' stances after 24 hrs: 21:13–22:46
• Logic vs. Political Polarization: 23:24–25:34
• Skepticism about investigation transparency: 34:00–34:12
• Emotional, political alienation: 42:55–44:32
• Minneapolis Parkways car ban proposal: 73:00–85:27

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Podcast’s Signature Tone & Approach

The tone is frank, wry, and laced with sharply observant Midwestern humor. The panel takes pride in seeking a reasoned center, resisting both right- and left-wing echo chambers, and often skewers simplistic or politically expedient answers. There is camaraderie, disagreement, and willingness to engage uncomfortable ideas directly.

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Final Takeaway

The hosts argue that how one sees the ICE shooting is determined not by party or profession, but by a personal foundation of logic and the willingness to see facts clearly—even in a polarized world striving to bend perception to politics. They challenge listeners not to dismiss their own logical inference in favor of rhetorical pressure, political loyalty, or manufactured outrage.

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Transcript

[Joe Sushere]

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[Kenny Olson]

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[John Randall]

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[Joe Sushere]

Hail the Flashlight King.

[John Randall]

And now, from the mayor's office above the boathouse on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's Garage Logic, with Chris Reavers manning technology corner, Kenny Olson from the crabby coffee shop, John Height in the newsroom, and of course, the rookie here is your flashlight king fireworks commissioner and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Joe Sushere. Hi, how are you?

[Joe Sushere]

Great, how are you?

[John Randall]

What is the name of this show?

[John Height]

Garage Logic.

[Joe Sushere]

Sometimes I wonder.

[John Randall]

All right, what is logic?

[Joe Sushere]

There's gonna be a test this early.

[John Randall]

What is logic?

[Joe Sushere]

Common sense.

[John Randall]

Well, I'll accept that as a reasonably simple man's answer.

[Joe Sushere]

Oh, boy. It's gonna be one of these shows today. Wow. Reasoned.

[John Randall]

Very good. Very good. What color is this pencil?

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, that's dark blue.

[Joe Sushere]

Is it dark blue or black? I think.

[John Randall]

Well, see, no, it's. I'm gonna say it's blue. My eyes tell me it's blue. What do your eyes tell you?

[Joe Sushere]

Well, by how you're holding it with the angle.

[John Randall]

I'm sorry, which way you want me to hold it?

[Joe Sushere]

Okay, I'll say dark blue. Dark blue.

[John Randall]

What do you. What do you.

[Joe Sushere]

Blue.

[John Randall]

All right, you guys, you're too far.

[John Height]

I have some of those.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, I have some of those. They're dark blue.

[John Height]

Blue, yeah.

[John Randall]

Yeah.

[Joe Sushere]

All right.

[John Randall]

There's really no disputing that.

[Kenny Olson]

Is this going somewhere?

[Joe Sushere]

How many fingers am I holding?

[John Randall]

Is there disputing that? No, not at all.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, I know, but I don't. I. I already don't like this analogy.

[John Randall]

Yeah, all right.

[Kenny Olson]

It's your show, Garage Logic.

[John Randall]

It's. Logic is drawing a valid inference.

[Kenny Olson]

You.

[John Randall]

Know, deducting a valid inference based on your own sense of the facts. I'm going to look at this pencil and say it's blue. Because I'm. And other people might look at it and say, well, I see different shades there. I'm not willing to go anywhere but blue on the pencil. Because to go anywhere but blue on the pencil suggests that, well, maybe the manufacturer of the pencil had a different idea of blue than what you think is blue. And they'll go out of their way to defend the idea that, well, you really can't make a detection determination that that's blue. That's just what you're calling it, is blue.

[Joe Sushere]

But, but you're saying that's just like your opinion, man.

[John Randall]

Right. And, but, but it's not my opinion. You know, for my long time on earth, that's blue and I'm sticking with blue. I'm not going to cut anybody any slack that says, I mean, you can do it, go ahead and argue. Argue. But that's blue.

[John Height]

Yeah.

[John Randall]

So I look at the many, many videos of the incident yesterday in which this Renee Goode was shot to death. And I know it's only 24 hours and I know that it's wise counsel to wait 48 to 72. But I looked at it and after 24 hours, two things in particular I've inferred from the video that suggest to me that the officer was not in danger of his life. One, it starts with her being told to leave. She waves a car to buy. Remember have you ever been to a party in the summer at somebody's house and you all park on the lawn kind of willy nilly. There's one, one guy sideways, one person's facing the other way. It comes time to leave.

[Joe Sushere]

Joe's in the car with the gal.

[John Randall]

Exactly. It comes time to leave and you all have to leave and you have to do different things to maneuver your way out of the.

[Joe Sushere]

Especially when the cops show up, the.

[John Randall]

Mess that's, that's on the lawn. So she's told to leave and she waves one car away and he, that car leaves and then a pickup truck pulls up and she's waving him to go by, but they stop and some agents get out and go to her car, one of whom tries to open her door. She does not allow it to be open. She then turns her wheels to the right. I'm going to choose to infer that that's important. She turns her, she turns her wheels to the right, which would be the path of leaving if she had turned her wheels to the left. That would not be the path of leaving. If she left her wheels straight, that would be to mow down an agent. She turned her wheels to the right and she begins to take off. At which point a cop who's out there in front of the vehicle, not directly, pretty much off the left front headlight. No, you don't talk. No, I do. The cop off the left front headlight flat draws his or has his gun in his hand. The other influence I drew was in order to shoot her, he stepped forward into the vehicle. He stepped towards the vehicle to shoot. If you're fearing for your life, aren't you backpedaling? Aren't you scrambling? Aren't you throwing yourself, you're trying to avoid it out of harm's way. He went towards the vehicle, the shooter. That. That's my. That's my deductively valid inference based on the first 24 hours.

[Joe Sushere]

What I was just going to say. Do we say cop or do we say agent?

[John Randall]

Okay, I see.

[Joe Sushere]

Well, I'm just trying to help.

[John Randall]

No, you're right.

[Kenny Olson]

You're right. I see one thing. The stepping toward the vehicle may or may not have been, but may have been muscle memory. That is how you shoot. You. You do not shoot backing away. It. Because it ends up putting your firearm. Look at me. Look at me. It ends up putting your firearm like this. You always are forward with one foot in front of the other.

[John Randall]

By backing away, I meant behaving in such a way that he was fearful.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay, I understand. All right? I just wanted to toss.

[John Randall]

I wasn't referring to his shooting posture, okay? I was referring to a guy thinking, oh, wow, this lady's driving right at me. I'm backing up. No, he didn't have to back up because she wasn't driving towards him. That's my. That's my deduction.

[Joe Sushere]

After 24 hours, how many different angles do we have? I only saw three.

[John Randall]

I saw a couple. Okay, My point is. My point is that I, having seen all that and what contributes to my deductively valid inference is then being asked by Kristi Noem, for example, to disbelieve my own eyes. I was asked to disbelieve what I saw. I was asked. I was told to believe that my valid inference, to me, valid was invalid, was incorrect. I was being gaslit. As far as I'm concerned, this guy did not get hurt. Contrary to the way these things usually work in this country, agents or police officers who shoot somebody usually don't get to leave the scene he just jauntily walked down the street and got in the car and got the hell out of there. And then we were told he went to the hospital. I don't even know if that's true. I don't know why he would have. He didn't get hurt.

[Matt]

I thought that was extremely irregular that he would leave.

[John Randall]

He didn't get hurt. He did not get hurt. Contrary to Trump's tweet, which was. Trump was surprised the guy was alive. Really?

[John Height]

No.

[John Randall]

Really? Based on what? His wife didn't hit him over the head with a frying pan. He didn't get hurt in this incident, nor was I intending that he should. My 24 hour view of this is that was a really unnecessary shooting. Now, I spent some time before the show talking to a retired police officer who just retired December 31st. He sent us those neat challenge coins, by the way.

[Kenny Olson]

I got mine yesterday. Thank you so much. It is awesome. It's right here. I have it right here.

[John Randall]

And I put him on the spot because he's retired and he's in a fishing house and he's one of those guys who won't tell me the lake because it's probably so good.

[Joe Sushere]

Good.

[Kenny Olson]

Honey hole.

[John Randall]

Yeah. West is here. That's all I know. It's west to here.

[Kenny Olson]

It's a fish house.

[John Randall]

And he said his basic answer is, well, I wasn't there. So he.

[Kenny Olson]

That's the proper answer.

[John Randall]

He was on. He was unprepared to.

[Kenny Olson]

And that's what we got from former Hennepin County Sheriff Rich Stanek yesterday. He said that over and over again. And he said that everybody has a different point of view and all the facts, you know, you need time to sort it out. I have something interesting that might back up what you're saying, and it's AI and it's from Google. Based on US Supreme Court rulings and the Department of Justice policies, it's generally not allowed to shoot at a fleeing vehicle solely to prevent escape. Deadly force against a fleeing vehicle is only justified in very narrow circumstances where it is necessary to prevent imminent death or serious bodily injury to officers and. Or the public.

[John Randall]

And there. That. That was not evident to me. There was no serious imminent threat to anyone. There was an ICE agent behind the whole scene who fell down on his ass, but he slipped on the ice. It had nothing to do with. With her leaving. That's. I did not believe one word that Kristi Noem said in her St. Paul press conference in which she had changed into her winter clothes earlier in the day. She was rocking that whole cowboy thing somewhere and then one of her private jets must have flown her here. And I did not believe. I just. Based on having watched these videos 20 times, I did not believe one word she said.

[Kenny Olson]

I think if you ask 10 different people, you get 10 different responses.

[Joe Sushere]

I'm on record saying I did like both outfits.

[John Randall]

I like the cowboy outfit.

[Joe Sushere]

Let me ask you a question. Just based upon the tenor of email reaction from the G yellers, what would you say to the people that bring up the point of actions have consequences?

[John Randall]

That has nothing to do with meaning?

[Joe Sushere]

I couldn't disagree.

[Matt]

Meaning the lady that lost her life or the ICE agent that shot either one.

[Joe Sushere]

But my point is, we do have a society that's been raised in this environment where you can do whatever you want and you aren't going to get in any trouble.

[John Randall]

You're asking me to believe the manufacturer of this pencil had a different idea of blue? Okay. Right. And I'm not having a different. To me, this is blue.

[Kenny Olson]

Say that again. Chris. I think this might be a rare instance where I'm on your team. Say that again.

[Joe Sushere]

Because we've seen so many different circumstances, whether it's at the youth level and now creeping into the adult level.

[Kenny Olson]

And I've got it now.

[John Randall]

We can't.

[Kenny Olson]

Are we. Is this a way to blame, a low key way to blame the victim?

[Joe Sushere]

No. And I want to be on record. I am not blaming the woman that lost her life. That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you bring up.

[Kenny Olson]

A good point, though.

[Joe Sushere]

But what I'm saying is we do have so many people roaming in our society that think I can do whatever I want whenever I want and nothing is going to happen to me. And I have a problem with that mindset.

[John Randall]

Well, I'm not sure that's germane to the logical point I'm trying to make. You can do whatever you want until you can't. And that was evidenced yesterday. But that doesn't change the color of this pencil.

[Joe Sushere]

But how many different times have you seen. And I'm not just talking locally. How many different times have you seen videos where people just feel emboldened to interfere and attack ICE agents, whether it's with their car or without their car, and they don't think anything's gonna happen to them either not be arrested or apprehended or whatever. That's a big part of this, what happened yesterday.

[John Randall]

Well, what you're suggesting to me, I'm going to put words in your mouth so you May, correct me.

[Joe Sushere]

Please do.

[John Randall]

You're suggesting that she deserved to be shot because she was interfering with this raid at 34th in Portland. That's what you're saying.

[Joe Sushere]

I'm not saying she deserved to be shot. What I'm saying is don't put yourself in that position to begin with.

[John Randall]

She did so. That's neither.

[Joe Sushere]

That's my point.

[John Randall]

The pencil to me is still blue. You haven't word.

[Kenny Olson]

I would take the word deserved out of your statement and say you could end up getting shot when you put yourself in that.

[John Randall]

Yeah, I guess so. But many, many, many, many others were there raising just as much of a ruckus verbally and physically approaching them. And what? And they didn't get shot?

[Joe Sushere]

They didn't. You're right. Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

I hearken back to the riots. And I'm going to lose a lot of friends over this statement. And a lot of journalists got hit with these hard objects, whatever the hell, rubber bullets.

[Joe Sushere]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

And then they took the cops to court and all that. And my. My point of view is, well, you were there on the scene. You know, shit's happened. Don't put yourself in that position, you know, is that it's part of doing the job, I guess. You put yourself in that position. I know, John. I know exactly what you're thinking. I've been wrestling with this for a long time.

[John Height]

If somebody else does something bad and you're in the wrong place, that's your fault.

[Joe Sushere]

So you think she just accidentally went to that location?

[Kenny Olson]

Johnny, that's what I've been going with ever since. John.

[John Height]

I went with Kenny's.

[Joe Sushere]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[John Randall]

Okay.

[Kenny Olson]

I wasn't going to that my. Yeah, I mean, you put yourself in that position.

[John Randall]

That's.

[Kenny Olson]

That's what I've been wrestling with since the riots. John.

[John Randall]

I think she's trying to kill that Ice Age and she deserves to be shot 150 times.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, there's people that are saying that and that, you know, obviously nonsense, too.

[John Randall]

That's telling me this isn't blue. Right, Right.

[Joe Sushere]

So what would. In your opinion. I'm curious. Seriously, in your opinion, what would have.

[John Randall]

Justified if she had tried to kill the ICE agent?

[Joe Sushere]

But how do we determine that?

[John Randall]

I determine it by the direction of her wheels and the shooting posture.

[Joe Sushere]

Okay.

[Kenny Olson]

I'm taking the shooting posture out of there.

[John Randall]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know more about shooting than I do.

[Matt]

A statement by the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association. Just a couple sentences. The Minnesota Police and Peace Officers association stands firmly behind law enforcement officers, accountability under the law and the safety of every Minnesota community. Irresponsible, reckless rhetoric from political leaders attacking law enforcement has real and dangerous consequences for officers on the street. When officers are vilified, demonized, or used as political props, it fuels hostility, emboldens bad actors, and puts lives directly at risk. They call on leaders to stop inflammatory language and respect the legal and investigative process.

[John Randall]

Okay, let's do this another way. There is no Trump in the world. Trump doesn't exist. There is no Fry and Walls in the world. There's no Kristi Noem. None of these players exist. And now, on a Wednesday morning at 34th and Portland in Minneapolis, there is the arrival of some immigration enforcement officials. And a woman in a car is also among them. And she is told to leave the scene. There is no Trump. There is no gnome. There is no walls. There's just this incident. There's just this thing happening in the United States. And she is told to leave. And it appears to me she's. She's leaving. She's leaving and she turns her wheels to the right and she takes off. And a guy who was off her left front headlight, which did not place him in danger because he soon enough was not outside her left front headlight as the car continued to turn to the right. She was not aiming for him and he shot her three times. In fact, the bullet holes suggest that he was in a safe position to do so. Does that change what happened? There's no Trump, there's no gnome, there's no maga, there's no left wing nut cases. There's nobody. This woman was there. She shouldn't have been. She's told to leave. She made. She is suggesting that from a blue pencil standpoint, I see her leaving and she shot to death.

[Matt]

I don't tend to.

[Kenny Olson]

She was told to leave. I was under the impression, and I could be wrong, correct me if I am, that she was told to get out of the car.

[John Height]

The first guy who walked out of the truck yelled, get the.

[John Randall]

He had to get out of the car.

[John Height]

No, out of here. Get the f. Out of the car.

[John Randall]

Get out of here.

[Joe Sushere]

But wasn't he also trying to open the. The door of the car? Because I'm kind of with Kenny. I thought that's what she was told as well.

[Kenny Olson]

This is why it's, you know, 24 hours. We're already jumping to conclusions.

[Matt]

To finish your scenario.

[John Randall]

I'm still cool with it only being 24 hours. I'm only basing my deduction on the first 24 hours. But you take all these other players out of it.

[Matt]

I got your answer.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Matt]

If all those players are out of it, number one, she wouldn't have been there and would not have had to be aggressive to be there. Number two, the ice agent would not have been as aggressive, feeling all this tension and probably would have said, ma', am, we've got something going on today. It doesn't concern you. Thank you.

[John Randall]

Okay, so in your own way, what you're introducing is the idea that there's a Trump weight on the scene, there's a left wing wait on the scene, there's a fry wait on the scene.

[Kenny Olson]

So you can't remove that.

[John Randall]

Well, I know, but I asked you, as an exercise to remove it. And what do you have? You have a woman shot to death trying to leave, or. No, no, no. Take everything out of it. That's what you have.

[Matt]

She wouldn't have been there in the first place. Number one, if you remove those. And second of all, if she was there accidentally, she would have turned around and politely.

[Joe Sushere]

I can help you. If there's no Trump, the ICE agents probably aren't here in the first place.

[John Height]

That's what I was going to add to.

[Kenny Olson]

There's no armchair quarterbacking this one.

[Joe Sushere]

Right. I'd also like to point out, Rick, you made such an eloquent point. You used the number two twice.

[Matt]

Did I?

[John Height]

Yeah.

[John Randall]

I don't know.

[Kenny Olson]

There are so many.

[Matt]

That was a test.

[Joe Sushere]

I love you, brother.

[Kenny Olson]

I hope you guys are ready because there's so many different angles to talk about. We're going to be here till 6 o' clock this afternoon discussing every single angle.

[John Randall]

So, okay, after the first 24 hours, John, height. Where do you stand?

[John Height]

I'm pretty much in complete agreement with what you said.

[John Randall]

Kenny Olsen, after 20. Go ahead, John. I'm sorry.

[John Height]

I was just gonna say it looked to me like she was turning, trying to leave. And then it just escalated.

[John Randall]

Kenny, height. Kenny, height. Kenny. Okay, Kenny.

[Joe Sushere]

Kenny and John got married.

[John Randall]

Kenny, it's 24 hours. Where do you stand?

[Kenny Olson]

I am not even close to where you stand. I need more time. I need testimony. I know what I see, but I haven't. I'm just not willing to go there yet.

[John Randall]

Joe, you know what you see, but what are you willing to be told what you're supposed to think?

[Joe Sushere]

More time is what he's asking.

[Kenny Olson]

That's what you're telling me. You're telling me what to think and I'm not.

[John Randall]

I'm not telling you what to think. I'm saying based on 24 hours. The name of the show is logic. Do you have any you wish to apply to the scene?

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah. My logic is, I'm not jumping to conclusions right now, rook.

[John Randall]

24 hours.

[Matt]

My logic is I don't think the ICE agent was in imminent danger of death. Maybe being clipped on the side by a shoulder or something as she's turning away, she did not need to be shot. On the flip side, she did not need to be there. If there's a federal law.

[John Randall]

I just wanted a short answer. Okay.

[Matt]

Number two, the fact that people can say they can stop a federal agent from doing something has gotten out of hand, and it's because they're anti Trump.

[Joe Sushere]

That's where I was going to go.

[Matt]

She shouldn't have been there.

[Joe Sushere]

The good way to avoid getting shot by an ICE agent.

[Matt]

Don't be there.

[Joe Sushere]

Don't be there.

[John Randall]

By the way, any law enforcement agent would tell you that tactically, it is really stupid to ever be in front of a questionable vehicle. It's just stupid to be in the front side.

[Kenny Olson]

How do you know that?

[John Randall]

I was told that by law enforcement.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay.

[John Randall]

All right.

[Matt]

He's a former sheriff. He's like Shaq. He had the guy.

[John Height]

I read a piece this morning, too, from a former police officer, retired, who said, unless it's a complete dire emergency, no law enforcement officer would fire into a vehicle unless they thought they were in imminent danger.

[Kenny Olson]

That's what I'm seeing on. On the Google, too.

[John Height]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah. And it is the policy of the doj.

[John Height]

I also read another one related to what Rook said. I. It was a. I wish I knew where the piece came from. It was a psychologist who said, you watch, you're going to see every. Every fact turned to whatever your political viewpoint is in this case.

[Matt]

That's what's frustrating.

[John Randall]

Precisely. This is a function of a divided country. If you're a Trumper, this was justified. If you're not a Trumper, this wasn't justified.

[Matt]

Does a Trumper mean. Wait. Does a Trumper mean you voted for him and got fooled, or you're still on the bandwagon? Because I have my major reservations.

[Joe Sushere]

Joe's the current president. That's a loaded question, man.

[Kenny Olson]

You know, but he's not far.

[Joe Sushere]

No, of course not.

[Kenny Olson]

That's where we are.

[John Randall]

No. And what suffers is. What suffers because of that is great debates about the color of this pencil. That's what is the result. A great debate about the color of this pencil.

[Kenny Olson]

Are we adding to the echo chamber here, Joe Blue? What are we doing here?

[John Randall]

Well, that's our job, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I don't believe when we're adding. I believe we've taken an approach today that no one else has taken.

[Joe Sushere]

I agree.

[Matt]

I haven't heard the blue pencil theory anywhere.

[John Randall]

It's not much of one, is it?

[Matt]

Well, it's working.

[John Randall]

It's blue.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, you've been saying it for years. You're asking me to disbelieve what I said.

[John Randall]

I'm not going to disbelieve my own eyes. Right. I'm going to draw. What's the term I use? I wrote it down. I drew for myself a deductively valid inference keeping within the realm of logical study and reason. I drew that for myself. There would have been scenarios where I would not have been able to draw that inference. But I didn't see that scenario. I saw what I saw.

[Kenny Olson]

Logic is the systematic study of correct reasoning and valid inference, providing rules and methods to distinguish sound arguments from flawed ones.

[John Randall]

And boy, does that make us alone in the national landscape of podcasts.

[Joe Sushere]

It really does.

[John Randall]

You are really, really out there on the left or you're really, really out there on the right. That's not what garage logic is.

[Matt]

We're in the 80. We're in the 80 percentile.

[John Randall]

No, we're between the 30 yard lines. That's where we are. We're between the 30 yard line.

[Joe Sushere]

Rookie. Next time we coordinate with the big voice guy. We just got a new liner. Are you ready?

[John Randall]

Yeah.

[Joe Sushere]

He drew for himself, but can't write the number eight.

[John Randall]

Joe Susheri. I'm getting better on eight. It's three that have gone. Oh, threes now in the well, which is really weird because that's only half an eight.

[Kenny Olson]

Can you write a 25?

[John Randall]

Yes.

[Matt]

Oh, okay. I got that right away. I got that right away.

[John Randall]

Winner is.

[Matt]

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[John Randall]

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[John Randall]

Deductively valid inference. That's all I come up with. And I repeat, I didn't believe a word that Kristi Noem said. Because on the one hand, she said we don't have all the facts and then she proceeded to tell you exactly what happened. Well, she can't have it both ways. Yeah, mighty fine gal to look at.

[Kenny Olson]

But we spent a lot of time on Crabby yesterday with Rich Stanek talking about what Fry said and what Walls said, et cetera, et cetera. Pretty interesting. What's happened here.

[Joe Sushere]

Would you like to hear that, Joe?

[Kenny Olson]

Well, one of the things he said about Fry, I think rings true for all of us.

[John Randall]

Yeah, I would. I don't want to hear that. So that didn't work out.

[Matt]

It's a cool voice that he used.

[Joe Sushere]

This just played fine.

[John Randall]

I know, but it didn't work right.

[Matt]

I'm on the crappy coffee show.

[John Randall]

Noam told reporters that ICE agents repeatedly instructed the victim, Renee Nicole Goode, to get out of her car and to stop obstruct enforcement, but she'd not comply.

[Matt]

Okay, first question. Why would they want her out of the car?

[John Randall]

The guy from the pickup truck told her, get out of here. There wasn't these repeated obstructing law enforcement orders. The agency is labeling the incident as an act of domestic terrorism. It does not fit my blue pencil theory. I do not see it as an act of domestic terrorism. Video of the scene showed goods car in the middle of the street in a residential neighborhood as ICE agents in a dark gray Nissan truck got out and approached her vehicle. All right, we're gonna go through this together. I guess Good is heard telling. Good is heard telling agents to go around, get past me if they want. As they walk toward her Honda Pilot, she thinks they're going somewhere else. One agent told her, get out of the car. That's not what John Height heard. He heard them say, get out of here. Right?

[John Height]

Well, I thought, yeah, but I'm actually just checking right now.

[John Randall]

I'll go either way. I'll go either way. I probably wouldn't have got out of the car either. I'll just leave. Which is what I thought she did. So there. I'm not following the rules, am I? She then abruptly puts it in reverse. Well, you know why she had to put it in reverse? To turn her tire wheels to the right to get out of there. Because she didn't put it in reverse. She would have mowed down the agent.

[Kenny Olson]

I mean, there's a response to everything you've said so far. She put it in reverse because she was planning on fleeing the scene after she was told to get out of the vehicle. You know, okay.

[John Randall]

Gnome claimed the woman was trying to weaponize your vehicle and attempted to run a law enforcement over. I don't believe that.

[John Height]

That.

[John Randall]

Well, that's telling me that's not a blue pencil.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, you weren't there. You didn't hear.

[Joe Sushere]

I saw.

[John Randall]

I saw what. I saw what gnome saw. I saw only what gnome saw.

[Kenny Olson]

Were you. Were you in the vehicle?

[John Randall]

Gnome wasn't there. Gnome wasn't there. She was flown into town to address this.

[Joe Sushere]

I have a question before you move on. Did those guys have the body? The same body cam footage?

[Kenny Olson]

We asked Sheriff Stanick that and he said, some do, some don't. They don't all have it. And you notice if you watch closely, some of them don't have.

[Joe Sushere]

I do have Stan anxiety, if you'd.

[John Randall]

Like to hear it, if it's not going to be fuzzy. And I would tell the mayor, look, if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

[Matt]

I don't think he's been part of.

[John Randall]

The solution with this the last couple of weeks.

[Matt]

Telling his police department to stand down.

[John Randall]

Amping the rhetoric in the different press.

[Matt]

Conferences I've seen telling ICE agents to.

[John Randall]

Get the frick out of Minneapolis. Come on now.

[Kenny Olson]

So do you think the situation would have been different if Minneapolis police, Hennepin county sheriffs were there doing crowd control?

[John Randall]

Yes, I do. We are governed by leftists who have insisted that we will not help you by any stretch of the imagination. And that has demonized these ICE officials.

[Matt]

But anytime there is a police presence, they are accused of aiding ice, not doing crowd control.

[Joe Sushere]

Take it a step further. They've also demonized local law enforcement.

[John Randall]

See, now we've left the exercise as sophomore as it might have been. And we're introducing the weight of Trump and the weight of walls. We're introducing these.

[Kenny Olson]

I have a hard time ignoring that. But I understand your exercise.

[John Randall]

And we are not going to have a local examination of this. The FBI has quickly claim will take care of it. Well, that. To me, that just says this guy is not going to be prosecuted.

[Kenny Olson]

Doesn't that seem like an old movie cliche?

[Matt]

Yeah, I'm in charge here now.

[Kenny Olson]

How many times have we seen that in movies?

[Matt]

Tommy Lee Jones and the Fugitive.

[John Randall]

If you want me to agree, I. Well, you don't. You don't need me to acknowledge it. I agree that the walls rhetoric is not helpful. That's the weight of walls. Neither is the Trump rhetoric. So we're. We're caught. This country's in a dreadful, dreadful whirlwind right now. The center has been lost. It is not held. And you've got one group down between the goal line and the 20 yard line fighting with the other team. That's between what? What, the goal line? Yep. And the. And the.

[Joe Sushere]

They're working the two red zones.

[John Randall]

Yeah. There's no. There's no ability here to. To be calm. There's no ability to Be reasoned, it's either one way or the other. When the truth for me was, well, in this particular situation, this woman was trying to leave and she was shot in the head.

[Matt]

Why do we have to.

[John Randall]

I don't care why she was there. I don't. I don't care about any of that. And people are trying to make a big deal out of the fact that she had Colorado plates. And she must be an activist who came to this state purely to cause trouble. Now, she moved here and she, like there are many people, probably hasn't gotten to the license bureau yet to change her license plates. I don't know. I don't know anything about her.

[Matt]

Why does it.

[John Randall]

I don't need to. I have a blue pencil in my hand. I'm basing this on what I saw with my own eyes, and I am, I am being asked to disbelieve that, and I won't.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, you're making a pretty grand assumption, thinking that she just wanted to leave after she had been told to get out of her car.

[John Randall]

Well, that's the assumption I'm making.

[Matt]

Do you think domestic terror. This is an act of domestic terrorism?

[John Randall]

I do not.

[Matt]

Gas on the fire.

[John Randall]

I do. I. Yes.

[Matt]

Isn't that. That pretty strong to declare that? I don't see it as that.

[Kenny Olson]

I think Fry and Walls and Trump made a horrible situation way worse.

[Joe Sushere]

I do, too.

[John Randall]

I agree.

[Kenny Olson]

They're gasoline on the fire because what.

[John Randall]

They'Re doing is bringing the weight of their own side to the issue, their own politics to the issue, rather than the facts at hand.

[Kenny Olson]

And they're further creating a wider divide between all of us.

[John Randall]

Now, it has been said many times, oh, this was inevitable. We've all heard that this was inevitable. This was going to happen somewhere, sometime.

[Kenny Olson]

It was predicted weeks ago.

[John Randall]

Yeah, okay. Why was it inevitable? And I happen to believe that's true. It was inevitable. Why is that the case?

[Kenny Olson]

Well, my answer to that is due to the protesters, flat out.

[John Randall]

It's due to the protesters and the hatred of the Trump administration. This was inevitable. You've got two sides that will never come together.

[Kenny Olson]

Right.

[Matt]

It's. And it's been building. It's been building and building with every ice and with every person thinking that they can get in the way of a federal agent.

[Kenny Olson]

And.

[Matt]

Well, Matt, regardless of whether you're a Trumper or not, federal agents have to do what they have to do. She shouldn't have been shot. But I'm just saying if they're executing.

[Kenny Olson]

Something, and then I can provide a counter argument to that and myself go, are we supposed to just sit by while, you know, the government rolls in and, you know, there's so many different angles and questions on both sides.

[Joe Sushere]

I was telling Joe and Gabe this earlier, before you guys dialed. In the last two days, I had seven. I counted 17 on my way in yesterday and another 11 today, including one guy. You counted what ICE vehicles? Like, it's, it's. The presence is extremely clear. And I go, I know I have a longer commute than everybody else, but including one guy who cut in front of me to pull somebody over, I'm.

[Kenny Olson]

So dumb, and I have traffic on my mind so much that I thought you were referring to ice on the road.

[John Randall]

That's what I thought, too. I saw three piles of ice on the road.

[Kenny Olson]

I was refreeze, you dummy. I'm sorry, Chris.

[John Randall]

What I said, that's queen. By the way, what I said yesterday, I'm going to repeat, and I don't expect this will happen. I happen to believe that Trump has engineered this ice theater as precisely that. It's optical theater for the people who buy the BS Now. Well, I'm not done. If he was serious about getting bad people out of the country and they've rounded up some bad people, I would say what I said yesterday. I'd withdraw all ICE agents from all American cities and I'd start over. I'd say, you're not going into a city, fellas, until we've got however many people in that city we know for a fact, fact cannot be here. Then you return to that city. It's not announced. You're not telling anybody. You go to the Acme restaurant where you know this guy is. You quietly arrest him. If he ends up getting shot, that's too bad. Maybe he fired at you. But you're going back that you're going to go and get these bad guys, you're going to arrest them, and then we'll deal with it from there. But this idea of sending waves of these people into a city and walking up and down neighborhood streets, yanking cooks and snow shovelers off the property, it doesn't work. That's not an American way of doing things. It doesn't work. We're seeing that it doesn't work. So if Trump was really serious about eliminating the bad guys from the country, you're going about it the wrong way. Now, you might be picking up a bad guy in your sweeps. You put a net over the city and you catch 48 people. Two of them might be rapists. I don't know 46 of them might be dry cleaners. I have no idea. But that's why this doesn't work. Go back and come back when you have targeted individuals in your file that you must find and remove from the city of Minneapolis.

[Matt]

Okay.

[John Randall]

That's how I would do it.

[Matt]

Who was the guy that texted us or sent an email several months ago? Remember when we thought it would be wise to have a cutoff for people that have been here? And he completely blew us out of the water by saying the law is the law. I don't remember who that was. Yeah, but his email was very good.

[John Randall]

I'm sure it was.

[Matt]

Aren't you? I am for let's get the Bad guys. But if you got a nanny or a dry cleaner, that's been your five years.

[John Randall]

The argument. The argument will be that she's here illegally. Okay, so I haven't figured that. I haven't figured that part of it.

[Joe Sushere]

But based upon your scenario, then, what you're doing in. Correct. Any part of this, what you're doing then, is then putting your faith, hope and belief into the locals, like Mary and Walls and Fry. And they haven't been getting that job done.

[John Randall]

But ICE isn't getting it done either. They're equally not getting it done.

[Kenny Olson]

I like the scenario that you've created in your brain. It works for me. But I'm wondering if we're being duped by what we've seen on tv. When we see a CIA team in a black van pull up next to somebody on a sidewalk, snatch them, throw them in the van, and they're out of there. And the whole thing took 10 seconds.

[John Randall]

Is that where you're being duped?

[Kenny Olson]

Because that's.

[John Randall]

That's not what I'm talking about. Okay.

[Kenny Olson]

All right. Because that's what I'm thinking.

[Matt]

Another thing about coverage. Every time the news crews go out there, national or local, they talk to a witness or they talk to somebody that is probably protester, anti ice. Why don't they ever talk to someone that says, you gotta follow the rules?

[John Randall]

I happen to think the United States will never be the same under Trump. And I happen to think that the United States will never be the same under democratic socialism. I am a man without a country. I'm a man without a political party. I don't know where to be. But right now this country is in dreadful, dreadful shape. It's in bad shape.

[Matt]

I don't see a corner to turn it around either.

[John Randall]

There's no denying that both parties failed the American public miserably. By providing for us as presidential choices, the two worst candidates you could ever possibly imagine. And there was nowhere for the likes of me to go. Nowhere.

[Matt]

What does that mean for me? America's guest?

[John Randall]

That means you're gonna have to start being a guest of another country.

[John Height]

The fella I told you about earlier that sent me the email said he is, quote, right now a political orphan for just the reasons that you just said. Same thing.

[John Randall]

I have no politics. I believe in. I don't trust the government of Minnesota. I don't trust the government of the United States. I don't trust the people put forward to me to speak like Kristi Noem. I don't believe any of it. I'm between a rock and a hard place. I'm old. It'll be over for me soon. I feel sorry. I'm not being facetious. I feel sorry for little kids who are never gonna experience the America I experienced. They're never gonna experience.

[Matt]

Can we fast forward?

[John Randall]

And now if our fathers, if our dad said this, first of all, I don't believe they ever did. I don't believe the World War II guys came home, took a look at the United States and said, geez, my kid will never experience. I don't think they said that. I think I lived in pretty good times. And I'm seeing them unravel quickly. I'm seeing them unravel for a variety of reasons. We've had it good for a very long time. We took it for granted. We didn't pay attention. We didn't pay attention to who was running. We've elected the wrong people on both sides. We've elected the wrong people, and I don't think this country will ever be what it was. Ever.

[Kenny Olson]

Where does that leave us, though? In the voting booth, Joe? Voting for some third or fourth party that has no shot at winning, which to me is just a waste of a vote. I mean, you've got to make a choice when you get behind the curtain.

[John Randall]

You know, Kenny, if I had to answer that today, my smart ass reply would be, I'm not. I'm not. I'm done voting.

[Matt]

Yeah, well, that's my question. Fast forward two years. Who is each party going to put up?

[John Randall]

I'm done voting. They're going to put up. Ukraine is a country. Stop that. I can't vote for Gavin Newsom. I mean, he's. He's a male Kamala Harris.

[Matt]

What? Republican.

[John Randall]

I don't know. Maybe someone miraculous will appear. But the way I stand today, the way I feel today, I'm not going to worry about the next election.

[Kenny Olson]

So then it's just a game. You're playing with your conscience. You go in there and vote for the guy fifth on the list to just tell yourself I did my.

[John Randall]

That's what I did this last election.

[Matt]

You're leaving it up to the 2 or 30 yard line people or 20.

[John Randall]

Yeah, but I had nobody to vote for. Nobody. You want to take a break and.

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[Kenny Olson]

It's positive Thursday here.

[John Randall]

Oof.

[Kenny Olson]

Boy are we positive today. It doesn't matter. It's brought to us by Scoon Over Body Works and AutoCare. They're InshoreView 1060 County Road E. Hello Mike Schoonover.

[Mike Schoonover]

Hello Kenny.

[Kenny Olson]

So I don't know what this is called a weird coincidence. You and I have been talking via text all week long. Yesterday I went by a local body shop and out front was a brand new truck. It had to be 12 years old. And the right, no the left rear fender, a box side was off the truck and but the box was still there. Okay. So I thought wow, that's weird. I didn't know they could do that. And then fast forward to this morning and you sent me a picture. It's got to be the same truck of a composite box for a 2024 GMC 1500 truck. And there's some damage on it. Like it looks like he backed into a tree, but maybe at three miles an hour, right. Very little damage. You really have to look closely to see the damage. And then you asked me, how much do you think total repair was? And me, you know, being from the 1900s, I said, I don't know, 7,000? Boy, am I dumb. $26,000. Mike, explain that. How can that be?

[John Randall]

Ah, help.

[Josh Arnold]

Kenny.

[Mike Schoonover]

We were blown away too when we, when we were, when we, when it arrived yesterday. And, and you know, number one, these parts are really, really hard to find. We were, we were so fortunate to get our hands on it. And, and our General Motors wholesale parts provider called us and said, are you sure you guys need this? And, and yes, yes, it is. We are, we are sure that we needed it because it's a composite box. And you're right. This was a low speed impact in a driveway and it broke the composite box and there's no repair. You can't repair it.

[Josh Arnold]

So.

[John Height]

Wow.

[Mike Schoonover]

The outer panels, the tailgate, everything, the tail lights, everything mounts on this composite box. And for gl ers, you know, this is, when you throw your stuff into a pickup box, this is what we're talking about. Some of you have a steel box in your trucks or whatever, but now they're, now they're made out of, you know, their composite. So yeah, so yeah, the repair cost is getting a little bit crazy because of these parts.

[Kenny Olson]

In my mind's eye, when I drove by that thing yesterday, I thought, did they have to cut welds? How did they get that shell off? And now you're telling me that that kind of technology is old, it doesn't exist. And now it's bolt on.

[Mike Schoonover]

It's bolt on, which, you know, from, from that aspect of, in whether when you're servicing the outer panels, the box sides of these vehicles, you know, rather than welding them on or riveting them on, you know, now, now it looks as though that the manufacturers are, are making, making them bolt on. So yeah, so I'm sure they will, I'm sure they'll evolve this whole process. You know, things change so much, Kenny, with, with repairability and in how they build these things. You know, I'm sure General Motors is going to get a lot of complaints from consumers and probably insurance companies that low impacts in the rear of these trucks is causing a whole lot of damage or a whole lot of cost. And so I'm sure this will probably change, but it's just crazy. So, you know, another, another thing and the lighting on these vehicles and the mirrors on these vehicles are just absolutely crazy because you have all the electronics that go with them. So. So, you know, I mean, what, what used to be like you said, Kenny, you know, a few years ago, a little bump, you know, might cost a couple hundred bucks or maybe a couple thousand dollars, you know, now we're talking about 5, 10, 15, 20, $30,000 for just a minor impact.

[Kenny Olson]

I used to aspire to having a new truck every year, you know, start over at zero. My. My aspirations and dreams now are to keep my 2016 running until the day I die. I don't want a new truck, Mike. I got rear ended in traffic about five years ago in Maple Grove. And the lady that rear ended me, the whole front end of her car was destroyed. There wasn't even a scratch on my bumper. Not even a scratch.

[Mike Schoonover]

Yep, yep, exactly. I don't know, the old technology, when you had. You didn't have as many whistles and bells and things telling you how to drive or, you know, what you're looking at or what you're not looking at or, you know, that, that type of stuff, it was. It's so much more fun to drive those vehicles than these, than having all this new technology just simply because it was, it's simpler and, and you had to drive, you know, I mean, that's the, that's the pleasure of driving, is that you are one with the vehicle.

[John Height]

Yep.

[Kenny Olson]

Boy, you've just said what I've been preaching for years. I think the moral of the story here, G. Ellers, is it doesn't matter if you're an old tightwad like me driving a 2016 with 180,000 on it or a brand new 2025 schoonover. You guys can fix it. Doesn't matter what the damage is. You guys are on it. Is that, is that safe to say?

[Mike Schoonover]

That is safe to say, Kenny. We are ready, willing and able to help G L ERs with whatever problem they got.

[Kenny Olson]

And that's why you are the official shop of Garage logic right there. Always rated as one of the top shops in the metro. They've been around since 1938. You know, they know what's up. Schoonoverbodyworks.com thank you, Mike.

[Mike Schoonover]

Thanks, Kenny. Happy positive Thursday, everybody.

[John Randall]

Here's a man who spends hours in hardware stores sifting through the nuts and bolts of life.

[Matt]

Joe Suzeray.

[Joe Sushere]

Here's Johnny Height in the newsroom.

[John Randall]

Thank you very much.

[Kenny Olson]

We're doing a podcast. We're in the middle of a show. Hey, so here's John.

[John Height]

Thanks again, Kenny. This news update brought to you by North American banking company community leaders now calling for ICE agents to leave the state after a 37 year old woman shot and killed yesterday. Gathering today at 34th in Portland. They plan to hold a press conference which is just starting this hour, requesting that ICE leave Minnesota and for charges to be placed against the ice agent who shot and killed 37 year old Renee Good. Officials in Minnesota and members of the Department of Homeland Security have provided differing narratives regarding the shooting. Some Minnesota leaders, including Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry and Governor Tim Walls, we have just talked about, of course, have argued the shooting was unjustified in their disputing the DHS version of events. The FBI is blocking Minnesota state investigators from accessing any evidence related to the killing of the woman. Drew Evans, superintendent of the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, says his agency had initially sought to investigate the shooting with the FBI and it was announced they would be able to do so. But then this morning, the FBI informed the BCA that the U.S. attorney's office had reversed course and was solely allowing the FBI to investigate. And that means the BCA no longer has access to case materials, seen evidence or investigative interviews necessary to finish a complete and thorough independent investigation. Evans said without the complete access to the evidence, we cannot meet the investigative standards that Minnesota law and the public demands. As a result, the BCA has reluctantly withdrawn from the investigation. While Evans said he's still hopeful the FBI might eventually share its investigative materials with prosecutors, this development could throw a wrench in local authorities ability to bring any charges in the case. This morning, by the way, I did watch a live press conference, another one with Kristi Noem. She was in New York and she said she was asked about this and she just said they were never involved and moved on, that's all.

[John Randall]

What, what costume did she have on this morning?

[John Height]

She had on a dress today or a skirt and a coat.

[Kenny Olson]

Was it Reavers approved?

[John Randall]

I'm sure it would have.

[Joe Sushere]

I haven't seen it, but yes, you.

[John Randall]

Already know it's approved.

[Matt]

There is a rating system, yes.

[John Height]

The woman shot and killed yesterday was, as we said, 37 year old Renee Nicole Macklin. Good. She's a 37 year old mother of three who had recently moved to Minnesota. US citizen, born in Colorado, appears to have never been charged with anything involving law enforcement beyond a traffic ticket. In social media accounts, she's described herself as a poet, a writer, a wife and a mom. She said she was currently experiencing Minneapolis displaying a pride Flag emoji on her Instagram account. Profile picture posted to Pinterest showed her smiling and holding a young child against her cheek, along with posts about tattoos, hairstyles and home decorating. Her ex husband, who asked not to be named out of concern for the safety of their children, said Macklin Good had just dropped off their six year old son at school yesterday and was driving home with her current partner when they encountered the group of ICE agents on the street. Trump administration officials called Macklen Good a domestic terrorist who had attempted to ram federal agents with her car. But her ex husband disputed that, saying she was no activist and that he had never known her to participate in any protest of any kind.

[John Randall]

Boy, that story is a great example of the 48 hour rule because it's full of information. That's. For example, said she was driving home with her partner. There was no one else in her car.

[John Height]

2.

[John Randall]

It says her ex husband is quoted. Her ex husband was initially reported to be dead.

[John Height]

There's two ex husbands.

[John Randall]

Okay.

[John Height]

This is the first one. The second one is dead.

[John Randall]

Okay, so she has a number one ex husband who's still alive.

[John Height]

Correct.

[John Randall]

And they had two children and he was a male.

[John Height]

Yes.

[John Randall]

And the dead husband is a male.

[John Height]

Correct.

[John Randall]

And then the current husband is a female.

[John Height]

That's correct.

[John Randall]

Okay.

[Kenny Olson]

Yes.

[John Height]

And she was in the car to start with and got out.

[John Randall]

Okay.

[Kenny Olson]

Could she have been. Here's some speculation. Could she have been the person that was running towards the crashed vehicle?

[John Height]

I believe you are correct, Kenny. That's the way I took it. Because I saw a picture of her later. Looked like the same coat. She was sitting on a curb and it looked like this. A woman in the same kind of coat, the one that kind of sprinted slowly.

[John Randall]

I wonder why she got out initially.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, that I don't.

[Matt]

As I was listening to NPR this morning, in one of their reports, the reporter reported that she was shot while she was in a parked car. It was a direct quote that I.

[John Randall]

Well, they're wrong. The car was not parked. No, my pencils blue. The car was not parked.

[Joe Sushere]

Wow.

[John Height]

Yeah. Minneapolis Public Schools. There's no school today or tomorrow due to safety concerns related to what happened yesterday. The district said that all MPS sponsored programs, activities, athletics, community education, including adult education, will be canceled. District said it will not move to elearning after yesterday's shooting. ICE agents were at Roosevelt High School. Roosevelt High School student told five Eyewitness News that ICE agents had pulled up to the entrance sometime during the afternoon and blocked portions of the road. Roosevelt high is about three miles away from the intersection of 34th street and Portland Avenue where that shooting occurred. A video from the scene showed a person lying on the ground with federal agents surrounding them. They did answer a question from 5 Eyewitness News this morning. That would be the Department of Homeland Security. They said they ended up there because there was a five mile vehicle chase which ended in the school zone. Their statement said yesterday Border Patrol agents were conducting immigration enforcement operations when a US Citizen was actively trying to impede operations. The subject proceeded to escalate the actions into violence and rammed his vehicle into a government vehicle. That began a five mile chase. And they put in the press release. It put the public and children at danger. That was the reason for the chase. At no point was a school student or staff targeted. And agents would not have been near this location if not for the dangerous actions of that individual.

[Matt]

I thought the actions of the Roosevelt students that went outside were very poor.

[Kenny Olson]

It's never occurred to me in my life to confront police officers, even when I've been super guilty. When you're caught, you're caught, right? You stay out. It's always been my policy. Stay out of their way.

[Joe Sushere]

Was this from the. From the Minneapolis Public Schools? This wasn't some type of encouragement to go participate in protest, was it?

[John Randall]

No.

[Kenny Olson]

No, no.

[Joe Sushere]

Okay.

[John Randall]

No.

[John Height]

And a woman has been. Man. Excuse me, I'm sorry. A man has been charged after allegedly assaulting a woman on a Burnsville walking trail on New Year'. 23 year old DeShawn Newton is facing one count of false imprisonment, one count of threats of violence and one count of fifth degree assault. According to court documents. Police responded to an assault near Crystal Lake in Burnsville. A woman said she'd been walking on a trail through Crystal Lake park when she was approached by a man who asked her questions about the area. She said her husband was in the area and walked away. But about 10 minutes later, the same man came up behind her and put his gloved hand over her mouth. According to the complaint, the man told her he had a knife and not to scream. Woman said she tried to resist, but the man threw her to the ground and began kneeling on her court records note, she thought she was going to be sexually assaulted and when he asked her if her husband was wearing all black, she said yes. At that point, the man got up and ran away. A witness who was running on the trail helped the woman and then called police. Authorities checked nearby. Surveillance video at an apartment building found the suspect matching the woman's description driving an suv. According to the complaint. Why don't we take a quick break here? We'll come back with some more news right after this.

[Joe Sushere]

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[John Randall]

Look at that.

[Joe Sushere]

Let me get rid of the fan.

[John Randall]

Oh, my God.

[Matt]

Does it smell good?

[Joe Sushere]

What is it? Ruck, show the camera.

[John Randall]

Chocolate covered walnuts.

[Joe Sushere]

Those cashews ain't gonna hold.

[John Randall]

And cashews.

[Matt]

Oh, you son of a. Cashews and chocolate covered almonds.

[John Randall]

Almonds, not walnuts.

[Joe Sushere]

Toss me one. Toss me one.

[John Randall]

No, no, no.

[Joe Sushere]

We're doing the ad.

[John Randall]

Throwing food.

[Joe Sushere]

No, we're doing the ad. We're doing the ad. He actually threw it to me. Ooh, chocolate covered almonds. Yeah, that's pretty good. Anyway, it doesn't matter if you're in the mood for that. The gift tins are actually a wonderful, wonderful gift idea that you can [e-mail] but go into your local fratelloni's hardware and garden stores, Mac's Hardware. You gotta show me the tin cover.

[Matt]

Now, Jumbo cashews is what they're called with milk chocolate almonds. The big split.

[Joe Sushere]

I gotta be honest, those are really good. That ain't leaving the studio, brah.

[John Randall]

Right.

[Joe Sushere]

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[John Height]

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[Joe Sushere]

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[John Height]

And do not constitute investment advice.

[John Randall]

Chris Reavers is a paid endorser.

[Kenny Olson]

It's the end of the world.

[John Height]

World as we know it.

[John Randall]

He feels fine.

[Joe Sushere]

When is the last time you had fondue?

[John Randall]

God, I hope it's been a long time.

[Matt]

Oh, come over and join us. I'm not going to some nice tenderloin.

[Kenny Olson]

It's a fun appetizer.

[Matt]

I can remember those little cute little forks.

[John Randall]

Yeah, those long forks.

[Joe Sushere]

Yes.

[Kenny Olson]

A bowl of keys at the front door.

[John Height]

I can remember my family. I thought that was we were a big deal because we had a little fondue outfit.

[Matt]

You know, it was usually John not outfit.

[John Randall]

I mean he had to wear a certain clothing. No, all the pants, Star Trek uniform, little uniform. They had heaven skaters.

[John Height]

Heaven skaters. Well, you know, we've been talking a lot about food, so let's continue. Americans should eat more whole foods and protein, fewer highly processed foods and less added sugar. That according to the latest edition of the federal Nutri nutrition advice released yesterday by the Trump administration. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And Ag Secretary Brook Rollins issuing the U.S. dietary Guidelines for the next five years, offer updated recommendations for a healthy diet and provide the foundation for federal nutrition programs and policies. The secretary, Mr. Kennedy, said, My message is clear. Eat real food. The guidelines emphasize consumption of fresh vegetables, whole grains and dairy products long advised as part of a healthy eating plant. Officials released a new graphic depicting an inverted version of the long abandoned food pyramid with protein, dairy, healthy fats, fruits and vegetables at the top and whole grains at the bottom. They also take a new stance, though, on highly processed foods and refined carbohydrates, urging consumers to avoid packaged, prepared, ready to eat or other foods that are salty or sweet like chips, cookies and candy.

[Joe Sushere]

Now, how many people, based upon what you said in the first segment today, would hear that and say no, if it's coming from Trump, I'm eating more processed food.

[Matt]

Yeah, they're anti right. I want more processed food.

[John Height]

I thought they were pretty good recommendations.

[Joe Sushere]

Yeah, I Couldn't agree more.

[John Randall]

Pretty much common sense.

[Joe Sushere]

Yeah, pretty much logic.

[Matt]

How's that working out?

[John Height]

Blue pencil theory.

[John Randall]

Blue pencil theory.

[Joe Sushere]

Hey, I got a question for you. Red paint or blue pencil?

[John Randall]

Yes.

[John Height]

The U.S. will control sales of sanctioned Venezuelan oil indefinitely as it prepares to roll back restrictions on the country's crude in global markets. That, according to the White House. Officials said sales were expected to start with 30 to 50 million barrels of oil and the revenue would be controlled by the US Government. In order to maintain clout over the Venezuelan government, we need to have the leverage and control of those oil sales to drive the changes. According to Energy Secretary Chris Wright, the White House said the money would be deposited into U.S. controlled accounts, which President Trump says, as president, he would control and use to benefit the people of venezuela and the U.S. the Joe, you're not going to like this news. The Pittsburgh Post Gazette is shutting down.

[John Randall]

Oh, my God.

[John Height]

With its owners, Block Communications, citing unsustainable operating costs at a recent court ruling in favor of the union that represents newsroom staff, Block Communications announced on Wednesday. The 240-year-old paper.

[Joe Sushere]

I was just going to ask. Aren't they one of the longest running ones?

[John Height]

They will publish their final edition and cease all operations May 3rd.

[John Randall]

Good Lord.

[John Height]

In a press release, the company called operations no longer sustainable, saying it had lost more than $350 million in cash running the newspaper in the last 20 years. The paper had said it would cease publication if it was required to operate under a labor contract. The news of the closure still was stunning to employees and the city. Like most newspapers, the Post Gazette has been on a downward trajectory for decades, losing circulation and advertising revenue to television, the Internet, social media and other news sources. It puts out two print editions a week, but its mostly online presence has still given the region a reliable and authoritative news source.

[John Randall]

I have received my deadline for appearing in the Sunday paper. The new deadline is 5pm Thursdays.

[Joe Sushere]

Are you.

[John Randall]

I don't think I'm gonna be covering a lot of breaking news.

[Kenny Olson]

Wow.

[Joe Sushere]

So, Johnny, they were only in print twice a week? Is that what you just said?

[John Height]

Twice a day, I think.

[Joe Sushere]

Oh, twice a day? I thought you. I'm sorry. I thought you said twice a week. Wow.

[John Height]

No, you're right, Chris. I'm sorry. Two print editions a week.

[Joe Sushere]

Holy crap.

[John Height]

But its online presence had still given the region lots of news, and all of that will be discontinued as of May 3rd, so. Hey, remember when, you know, some folks were mad at the NFL for political reasons and said they'd never watch again?

[John Randall]

Yes.

[Joe Sushere]

Numbers are through the roof.

[John Height]

The NFL averaged 18.7 million viewers per game, the second highest since the audience averages began being kept in 1988.

[Matt]

Wow.

[John Height]

The per game average on TV and digital platforms was a 10% increase from last season. 17 and a half million and up 7% from 2023, according to the league and Nielsen. It was also just off the record average of 19 million, which had been set in 1989. Some of the increases can be attributed to a change in the way viewers are counted. Nielsen began using its big data and panel methodology for all events last September with the start of the current season. Earlier this year, Nielsen began measuring out of home viewers for all states but Hawaii and Alaska, along with data from smart TVs along with cable and satellite set top boxes. Nielsen previously measured only the top 44 media markets, which had covered about 65% of the country.

[John Randall]

I don't know why those. I know they're impressive numbers. They strike me as low. There's 360 million people in this country and only it's really only 18 million are watching a football game.

[Joe Sushere]

But that's the average.

[John Randall]

I know it strikes me as low. I'm surprised.

[Joe Sushere]

What John's saying is when someone's tuning into Tennessee versus Jacksonville, there's still a massive audience, even though the game is going to be crap.

[Matt]

And what if you've watched the Great American baking show for 45 minutes and you only check into the football game for 10 minutes? Do you get credit for that?

[Joe Sushere]

Asking for a friend?

[Matt]

Yeah, asking for a buddy.

[John Height]

The Congressional Budget Office further trimmed its long term forecast for US population growth yesterday, citing changes to immigration policy and declining birth rates. The CBO projects the population growing from 349 million this year to 364 million in 2056 and then starting to shrink. A year ago they had projected the US would hit 372 million in 30 years. In September, it had cut that forecast by about 5 million and now has cut it more. Slowdown reflects the aging population, declining fertility and recent immigration policies. The US has come to rely on immigration as an important source of growth and deaths are expected to exceed birth starting in 2030. In September, the CBO had projected that might start by 2031. NASA it's canceled its first spacewalk of the year and might have to bring its crew back early from the International Space Station because there's an onboard medical issue. The spacewalk was supposed to happen today, but it was postponed because of an unspecified medical concern with an astronaut who was not identified. According to the Space agency NASA said the crew member is now in stable condition, but right now they are evaluating all options, including an early end of the mission. Safely conducting our mission is our highest priority, said spokesperson Cheryl Warner in a statement. The US Japanese, Russian crew of four had been at the orbiting lab since August. August is when they left Florida.

[John Randall]

Boy, I wouldn't handle that well if I came down with something.

[Matt]

You know what?

[John Randall]

And I'm stuck in the outer space.

[Matt]

You didn't like the 20,000 leagues under the Sea?

[John Randall]

I know. I mean, I have a hard enough time if I'm on land.

[John Height]

Do you ever. Have you ever looked at those original spacecrafts?

[John Randall]

Yeah, that. We went up in a little tight fit.

[John Height]

Oh, there's no way on earth I could have gotten him.

[John Randall]

I have a little trouble with that.

[John Height]

Yeah, I'm gonna float out in space, but I can't move. No, thanks. And the Robbinsdale Area School Board, we kind of missed this because everything that's been going on this week in the news. Robbinsdale Area School Board of Education Monday approved a proposal to close Fair Crystal Middle School. Now, four schools will be closing in the district at the end of the year. You might remember when all of this is happening, there was a. A problem. The decision part of the district statutory operating debt to turn to financial stability because of a budgeting error.

[John Randall]

Well, they're idiots. And they didn't budget properly.

[John Height]

A budgeting error that cost 21.

[John Randall]

Right. They're morons.

[John Height]

Shortfall.

[John Randall]

Sheesh.

[Kenny Olson]

What was the shortfall?

[John Randall]

21 million, Kenny.

[Matt]

That's it. You can make that up. It's in a drawer somewhere.

[John Height]

They had already closed one school, added this one on Monday. They think they're not sure, but they think they should not have to close any other schools.

[John Randall]

Then these saps will go to the public and say, give us more money and the saps will vote them some more money. Doesn't work. Doesn't work.

[John Height]

They're all saps.

[John Randall]

Everybody's a SAP. Everybody, including us.

[Joe Sushere]

That's why ICE is here.

[John Randall]

Yep.

[Matt]

Go get them, boys.

[John Height]

Kind of down today, aren't you, Joe?

[Joe Sushere]

No, not really.

[Kenny Olson]

It's supposed to be positive. Thursday.

[Joe Sushere]

Best of luck, Ken.

[Kenny Olson]

Hey.

[John Randall]

Hi, fellas. We got cashews, John. Thank you.

[John Height]

You bet.

[John Randall]

What do you. What do you want here?

[Joe Sushere]

I want.

[Kenny Olson]

I want to know yesterday. Are we going to do something here, Chris? Because I have questions about our buddy Marion Rare.

[John Randall]

I'll.

[Joe Sushere]

I'll toss it to you in a second, but I'd like to talk to you about Masters, maples and mastersmaples.com I.

[Matt]

Would like to say something about Masters Maples, please. I made some bacon last night. We made a little egg bake for dinner. I took the sugar maple powder they had and sprinkled it on the bacon.

[Joe Sushere]

Oh, my God. Hey, why was I not called Just even do that.

[Matt]

It was so fabulous, I can't even tell you.

[Joe Sushere]

I did get some thick bacon and did the syrup a couple of Sundays ago for the boys, and it was.

[Matt]

And you gotta bake the bacon. You bake it, Kenny.

[Joe Sushere]

It was so thick.

[John Randall]

It was like, do this for 10 minutes.

[Joe Sushere]

It was like zoo glass thick.

[Kenny Olson]

Was it prison wall thick?

[John Randall]

Prison wall thick.

[Joe Sushere]

That's all thick.

[Matt]

It was Joe's glasses as a kid.

[Joe Sushere]

But it doesn't matter. The maple syrup is a. Is the best that Minnesota has to offer, and it's also 100% made right here in the great city of Minnesota. But it's also the sweet and savory seasonings and rubs and also, as Rook mentioned, the 100% pure maple sugar. But see it for yourself. Go to mastersmaples.com they have gift packs available if you'd like to give the gift of Masters Maples. And it's our buddy Ben, and this is his creation, what, 12, 13 years ago now that Masters Maples came into existence. And it's wonderful stuff, and it's made right here in the great state of Minnesota by a gl er. It's our buddy, Ben. Mastersmaples.com, taste the difference, Kenny Olsen.

[Kenny Olson]

There was a hilarious comedy going on yesterday in Washington. One of the Minnesota representatives was G elenor and a good friend of the show, Marion Rarick, who had to answer questions about Trump instead of fraud.

[John Randall]

Right.

[Kenny Olson]

And in the middle of this, because we're fun and great friends, Chris sent her a text message asking her if.

[John Randall]

She'S had one shot while she's testifying. Now, did you get an acknowledgment? Did she look down at her phone?

[Joe Sushere]

She did, because Gabe and I were sitting next to each other monitoring the testimony, and I did see her kind of glance down her phone and almost give it the.

[Matt]

And then it was.

[Joe Sushere]

No.

[John Randall]

Oh, she texted back.

[Joe Sushere]

Oh, yeah, she did. She did respond.

[John Randall]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Sushere]

But how long do we know? How long were they forced to sit there?

[John Randall]

Long time.

[Kenny Olson]

This is why we hate politicians. What happened yesterday in Washington was a disgrace, embarrassment, and every single American on both sides of the aisle should be outraged about what happened.

[Joe Sushere]

To the point, Kenny. It would be fun to see what percentage of time was actually devoted to discussing fraud in Minnesota.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, exactly. That's a good point. Yep.

[John Randall]

Do you know that we have a park board in Minneapolis? The Minneapolis park and Recreation Board. Its president is Tom Olson. And he wishes. Now, he's very anti automobile. He makes no secret of that. And he wishes to close the parkways in Minneapolis to automobiles, roads, not just, you know, for a day. I mean, he doesn't want to shut him down there anymore. And the roads would be open only to pedestrians and bicyclists. Now, he introduced this yesterday. The board took a full vote on this proposal yesterday curtailing public input. Apparently they were trying to avoid public input. I don't know the results of the vote. You might want to look that up. Minneapolis park and Rec Board voted yesterday on closing the roads. Olson won reelection as an at large commissioner. This is from the Minneapolis Times. There are great news sources to consider in the Twin Cities. I would put the Minneapolis Times in there. Olson won reelection as an at large commissioner running on an anti automobile platform and has proposed closing parkways periodically since his first election. He's selling this as a pilot, but would put in permanent barriers to test the concept, collect data on how much park usage would change, impacts on accessibility and impacts on emergency response. Olson acknowledges the idea has limited appeal among Minneapolis residents. What does that mean? He doesn't care. It has limited appeal, which is where he should have stopped. Right there. He should have just stopped and ended his anti automobile nonsense. In a recent interview, he described the closures as controversial. So there's limited appeal. It's controversial. Then why do you want to do it, pal? He said. He cites opposition from seniors, people with disabilities and people who use cars, which means almost everybody.

[Matt]

I don't have results. I just have the thank you.

[John Randall]

Olson does not acknowledge that diverting cars off the parkway would increase travel by automobiles, which increases carbon emissions and pollution. He does not acknowledge the inherent sexism and racism in his proposal giving that women bike at rates at half that of men, that walking and biking by children has declined by half since 2001, that biking peaked in 1980 and has been declining ever since. That white people bike at double the rate or more of people of color. Wow. He also does not acknowledge that vehicle miles traveled by automobile in Minneapolis has increased every year except 2020, which is unsurprising given the land use of the Twin Cities is almost all auto oriented and cars are the only real way to access most of the Twin Cities. Critics like Preserve the Parkway contend that closures would undermine the parkway's core purpose, enabling uninterrupted multimodal access to connect people across Minneapolis's extensive park system. Olson plans to push the pilot through the committee and full board approval in a single night. Side steps, side steps. Community input on this divisive issue, especially for newly elected board members. The park board meeting is open to public comment and be well, this doesn't help us today. This is the 8th and the public comment began at 5pm yesterday at the Mary Merrill Minneapolis park and Rec Board headquarters on West River Road. So what do you got here?

[Kenny Olson]

When does it wrap? When does the public public comment stretch wrap up? How long?

[John Randall]

Well, it was yesterday. I bet it was an hour or two.

[Kenny Olson]

So it was only yesterday apparently. Joe, why are people like this given a voice? How come somebody serious, a grown up adult, come in and just shut this guy up?

[John Randall]

Well, what can we learn here? This guy doesn't plan to achieve much in life would be one of my suspicions. He, with all due respect, he thinks that cars are bad and he wants you to. He doesn't want you in them. And his only way he can really affect that is use his role in the park board to stymie you. And he apparently the public be damned, that's what he wants to do.

[Kenny Olson]

So he said. This reminds me of that Minneapolis City Council person who's going to push through his views no matter what. He doesn't care about the opposition.

[John Randall]

That's Cesar Chavez.

[Kenny Olson]

Jason Chavez said that this, it's called the grand rounds. It's the best park system in the country.

[Matt]

Well, there's some pushback though. On Facebook, the North Loop Neighborhood association posted that NLNA volunteers will be there to oppose the plan because many more vehicles will be funneled onto our residential streets. A closure will increase fighter response times and it denies access to our riverfront for our elderly and our disabled neighbors who rely on vehicles to get there.

[Kenny Olson]

It's as stupid as rethinking 94 between the downtowns. Why are these people given a voice?

[John Randall]

They come out of the failed academy with a corrosive, corrupted view of America. They blame white people in automobiles and capitalism for the fact that they haven't gotten anywhere and never will. And so they fight back by getting jobs like this on the park board and then condemning your automobile. But can you consider what this means? It says parkways. Does that mean Minnehaha Parkway, close to cars?

[Kenny Olson]

We're talking from Camden north Minneapolis all the way down Theo Worth and the three lakes on the west side. Then the river Minnehaha.

[John Randall]

Right.

[Kenny Olson]

The crown to Minnehaha to the Falls and then, I'm assuming, hopping on West River Parkway and heading into downtown Minneapolis. Or you can circle up onto Franklin and then jump on the east side of the river and take that down through St. Paul.

[John Randall]

Tom Olson, would you allow me to use my scooter on the parkway? No.

[Joe Sushere]

Heavens no.

[Kenny Olson]

And it's funny that the liberal term multimodal is being used against him in this case.

[John Randall]

No, it's just a shame. And it's our fault. Everything we're facing is our fault.

[Kenny Olson]

This is the idea of a drunk ass at the end of the bar who's been drinking since noon. People like this should not be given a voice.

[John Randall]

I got an idea. Well, he got elected. We don't pay attention. We've let it go too long maybe.

[John Height]

You mentioned this. He's the park and Rec board president.

[John Randall]

Yeah, I did mention that. Right off the top, I mentioned that.

[John Height]

Yikes.

[John Randall]

It's a Carol Becker piece picked up.

[Kenny Olson]

By the collar and hauled to the state border and kicked into Iowa.

[John Randall]

What good does he think he brings about?

[Kenny Olson]

He's. Well, he's serving white people that ride bikes.

[John Randall]

Well, does he think he's bringing about a good. These are the collectivists. This is anti collectivism. He's disregarding people with disabilities. He's disregarding people that don't have bikes.

[Kenny Olson]

I wish it was the summer so you could go on a scooter ride with a clipboard and a notebook and mark down how many homes. The only access to their home is via the parkway where they don't have an alley. They don't have a side street. It's only from the parkway which are.

[John Randall]

Coveted places to live.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh my goodness.

[Matt]

They're gonna shoot this down. Oh, there's no way they're gonna go forward.

[John Randall]

Well, that's why I asked you to look up the vote. But you don't have.

[Kenny Olson]

I don't have the vote.

[John Height]

Yeah, I've been looking too, and I cannot find a final vote.

[John Randall]

No, this is a lot of what the socialists want. I don't understand the good they see in it.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, it serves them and nobody else.

[Matt]

Well, their good would be no cars. Doesn't matter. I don't care if you live on there. You can park your car on the.

[Joe Sushere]

Or as Joe mentioned, drive that Amazon semi down Summit. Yeah, sure. We gotta get rid of the freeway.

[John Height]

What?

[Matt]

What people?

[Kenny Olson]

Ambulance, police.

[John Randall]

No, you don't want that.

[Kenny Olson]

Grandpa, Grandma in their.

[Matt]

In their lockers, going to the. See the river.

[John Randall]

Not even that.

[Joe Sushere]

But think of how many. How many students come to you, St. Thomas.

[John Randall]

How do you think Royce takes a walk? Yes, he takes the Royce walk.

[Joe Sushere]

We're depriving.

[John Randall]

Put the top down and drive on the parkway.

[Matt]

Where are the high schoolers gonna go for their keggers? Down by the river. Close.

[Kenny Olson]

How are you going to access the falls?

[John Randall]

You're not at all. Walk there.

[Kenny Olson]

You're going to park in a neighborhood. Because this would even include the. This would include everything.

[John Randall]

Look up Tom Olson. Matt, quickly. It's O L S E N. See if you can get any background on him. I'm predicting failed academy graduate. It'd be interesting to know Tom Olsen. O L S E N. Any bio information that you quickly can come across should be.

[Matt]

Just doesn't have a Wikipedia page.

[John Randall]

Well, he's not known enough to have you got it?

[John Height]

I got his.

[Matt]

Go ahead, John.

[John Randall]

Go ahead, John.

[John Height]

When he was running his page for. When he was running.

[John Randall]

Yeah.

[John Height]

He doesn't have anything about school learning, but he says. I joined the Community Environmental Advisory Commission back in 2016 to work with my neighbors to study and advise on policies that would create a sustainable and just future for everyone. As vice chair, I work to reform our bylaws and guiding principles to ensure that the needs and voices of our BIPOC community members were prioritized. It's that in that vein, I stepped down from my role so that I could make room for new voices.

[Matt]

He currently lives in South Uptown. His wife, Paige. Pop Perry.

[John Randall]

Oh, they got the Pop.

[Matt]

Currently works for the Minnesota House as a DFL communication specialist.

[John Randall]

So he doesn't have a job.

[John Height]

Correct, Joe.

[Kenny Olson]

The grand rounds actually starts up on Stinson by 35W, travels through Columbia park, over into Camden, down through Theo Worth and Worth Lake Cedar Lake, Lake of the Isles, Lake Calhoun, Lake Harriet, Minnehaha Parkway, around Lake Nokomis, past the falls. You get past the falls, you can either eat and then you can get on West River Parkway, travel all the way back to downtown Minneapolis.

[John Randall]

You know what? He's not a guy.

[Matt]

Here's what he wants to do. Transform our parkways adapt for new generation of park users. Our parks and rec services are at their best when they're in use. Many of our fields, facilities and recreation activities have fallen out of use as our city's demographics and the priorities of park users have shifted.

[John Randall]

Only because they come to us all the way from Kaiwaka, New Zealand, the home of the Lymans. That was on this day.

[Joe Sushere]

Joe.

[John Randall]

Today is January 8th in 1851. Whole of the day, an Ojibwe Leader sent a letter to the Minnesota territorial legislator inviting its members to come to a St. Paul church and hear him speak about the sufferings and needs of his people and their desire for peace. They are like some poor animal driven into a hole and condemned to die, he said, inspiring some of the most influential whites in the territory to form a committee to solicit contributions for the Ojibwe. On this day, Jan.8, 1920, Jacob A.O. preuss Jr. Son of soon to be governor Preuss Sr. Was born in St. Paul after becoming president of the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod in 1969. He, along with other advocates of traditionalism, were troubled by alleged liberalism in the faculty at Concordia Seminary in St. Louis and their attitude toward biblical authority. A crucial struggle about doctrinal purity ensued, with Proust successfully being re elected president in 1973 and thus securing the traditional ways of the Synod.

[Matt]

Ah, yes.

[John Randall]

On this day in 1924, six people died when a car crashed through the ice on Lake Andrews near Alec, near Alexandria. You know that lake Kenny? Yeah, okay. Kenny. On this day.

[Joe Sushere]

You did ask him.

[Kenny Olson]

I gave him a one word.

[John Randall]

I know he didn't.

[Kenny Olson]

Wasn't short enough, truth be told. I'm packing up. I'm ready to go.

[Joe Sushere]

Even if you had nodded, he would have said okay.

[John Randall]

On this day, Jan.8, in 1934, during the Depression, the U.S. supreme Court upheld a Minnesota mortgage moratorium law, a decision the state Attorney General Harry H. Peterson applauded as a victory for the people of Minnesota that will enable many farmers and city dwellers to hold onto their homes until the good times return. On this day, Jan.8 in 1971, that evil Republican Nixon signed a law creating Voyagers National Park. Supported by former governor Elmer L. Anderson and Charles A. Lindbergh, the legislation had been approved by Congress on October 5th of the previous year. On this day, January 8th, former Minnesota Twin and California Angels player Rod Carew was elected to the Baseball hall of fame. Carew had a.328 lifetime batting average, hitting over 315 consecutive seasons with both teams. On this day in Sports Disappointment history, January 8, in this day in 1976, Sid Harbin reported that Harvey McKay's admission of NCAA violations. I don't even remember what that was. Harvey did something illegal. On this day, Jan.8 in 2002, it was reported that Carl Polad loaned Bud Selig and the Brewers 3 million in 1995, a violation of baseball's rules.

[Joe Sushere]

I didn't know that.

[John Randall]

Yeah, but maybe that kept us from contraction because Sealeg then owed poll out.

[Joe Sushere]

Of favor, but Polad wanted to.

[Matt]

Backfire.

[John Randall]

Thank you, G Yellers.

[Joe Sushere]

Hey, thank you, G Yellers. Do us a favor and watch this video with no sound and subscribe to the Garage Logic YouTube channel where you can watch the show each and every single day starting right around noon. You can also see full segments. There's video shorts, there's. There's behind the scenes footage. Just. Just check us all out on YouTube. This really is behind the scenes right now. And also you can find us on all of our social media channels, which includes Facebook, Instagram and X. And you can also sign up for the Daily Logician. That's an email that comes right to your inbox each and every single day. And it includes the most recent episode of the podcast. And sign up for the town council, where you could be the G eller of the week, brought to us by our friends at Masters Maples, Matthew.

[Matt]

And I'm sorry, even if you're a staff member, we don't do birthdays. Gabe. So sorry. Unless it's mine. Happy birthday to me.

[Joe Sushere]

Happy birthday, Gabe. 21, baby.

[John Randall]

How you doing?

[Joe Sushere]

It's the day after somebody else's birthday.

[John Randall]

Let's just go here.

[Kenny Olson]

I got to go.

[Joe Sushere]

He's got a thing. He's got to go to the bathroom.

[Matt]

Okay, people in Minneapolis.

[Joe Sushere]

Joe, I'm ready for you.

[John Randall]

How you see the ice incident? How you see the ice? Yep. Depends on the very foundation of logic, Comma, foundation on. On logic, comma, very foundation of logic.

[Joe Sushere]

Okay.

[John Randall]

Okay, comma, as in garage logic. Period. Okay. Minneapolis park and Rec board president wants no cars on Minneapolis Parkways.

[Joe Sushere]

President wants no cars. Sorry.

[John Randall]

Wants no cars on Minneapolis Parkways.

[Joe Sushere]

Parkways.

[John Randall]

All right, John. Height.

[Joe Sushere]

Okay, Johnny.

[John Randall]

Don't forget to send me John.

[Kenny Olson]

I've had that.

[John Randall]

You got semen fired up. He wants to meet today and I said I can. I'll meet tomorrow. Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah, right.

[Joe Sushere]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Good luck. You got a box here, I'll take the tin. You can take the box of this because you wouldn't have a lot of stuff yet.

[Kenny Olson]

Is my mic on?

[John Height]

Yes.

[Matt]

We'll pass them out at Gabe's.

[Kenny Olson]

That thing I said about journalists getting hit by rubber bullets, I've had that bottled up for years. I had to purge that.

[John Height]

Oh, that's. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. We're still on the council.

[Joe Sushere]

We are never.

[John Randall]

The email should be interested.

[Joe Sushere]

They already.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, yeah. He should read the comments during the YouTube show.

[John Height]

Were they bad?

[Kenny Olson]

You know, I thought that was a.

[John Height]

Really good show, actually.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, yeah, it was.

[Joe Sushere]

Are you going to Write about it.

[Kenny Olson]

Definitely was just people are not willing to listen to a. Same discussion.

[John Height]

No.

[Kenny Olson]

From different points of view. They don't like that.

[Matt]

Oh, really? Yeah, that's some 2020.

[John Randall]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Somebody gave that to Joe to give to you.

[John Randall]

His name's on the back.

[Matt]

Tim. Oh, Tim Plunkett. Plunket's a Plunket Pest control. Plunket does okay, that was.

[John Randall]

I got a meeting with Brannock next week. I sent it to him and Matt, I didn't realize he's like, I don't even have one of those.

[Joe Sushere]

Linda Keller back in the mix.

[John Height]

Linda back?

[Joe Sushere]

Yep.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, good.

[Joe Sushere]

She's awesome.

[Matt]

I didn't realize he's got people working under him for his new endeavor.

[Joe Sushere]

All right, I gotta call Josh. I'll see you fellas.

[John Height]

See you tomorrow.

[Matt]

All right, bye, you guys.

[Joe Sushere]

Frozen it is time once again that we check in with our guy, Mr. Money Talk. Josh Arnold is with us once again right here in Garage Lodge. And now is the time for you to do the same. So do not delay, do exactly what I did and pick up that phone and dial 952-925-5608. That number once again is 952-925-5608. When you call that number, you're going to get Josh and he is there for you for that. Free. Yes, I use the word free. 48 minute financial consultation with absolutely zero obligation. And he will always give you the straight talk, he will never give you the sugar coated advice. And he is on the line with us once again right here in garagelogic. And boy, Josh, I know you're a big fan of this company, but once again, Coke is it.

[Josh Arnold]

Coke is it. Chris Coke is it. Coke is definitely it. Today the stock has been, we'll say, been trading in a fairly narrow range for, for a long time, but Coke is it. We got a little boost today because of a little, another little company called Walmart and Coca Cola came up with a new flavor that's going to be offered right through Walmart. And in a very interesting stock market environment where stocks, particularly defense stocks, have been up, down, back up and then back, back down, we'll say safe stocks like Coca Cola and Walmart have been very, very steady performers in this, this type of environment. So Coke is it. At least for a small part of your portfolio where you're looking for steady growth, reasonable safety and a very nice 3% yield that has had a history or Coke has had a history of increasing their dividend on a, on a regular basis. So for that portion of your portfolio that needs a little bit of solid dividend growth. Coke definitely is it. But, and I have to say but the market this past week has been exceedingly volatile as money has been moving around from we'll say sector to sector and on a fairly fast basis. Money had flown in to defense related companies, particularly with, we'll say the administration, the administration's foray into Venezuela and the belief that.

[Kenny Olson]

We'Ll say.

[Josh Arnold]

Defense related companies would get a, get a very nice boost on a continuing path forward. Yet during the market day yesterday, the President came out and said now those defense oriented companies could be limited in terms of share buybacks and executive compensation because they are way behind on their products. And until that gets straightened out, we want, we want to. Not that it's necessarily going to happen, but the administration wants, wants to put a limit on executive pay and share buybacks after the stock market closed. However, yesterday the President came out and said well, we'd like the new budget to include $1.5 trillion in defense spending and those defense stocks which had lost a lot in value during yesterday's market day turned around and reversed upward in aftermarket trading and opened significantly higher. And those defense related companies that did not pay a dividend moved up even more. And after they moved up, there's been a significant amount of profit taking in defense related names. There's also been profit taking in a lot of the artificial intelligence names including Nvidia which should get the go ahead from China to start selling some lower end chips into China sometime this quarter which should give a, give them a little bit of a boost. Do bear in mind that Nvidia is not. Is still looked at by analysts as a hardware company. Those are moving more into software as well and they do provide some end to end solutions that with artificial intelligence performance applications growing and we'll say the need for speed, these Nvidia could continue to be a winner going forward. It is right now still the largest company by market capitalization not only in Nasdaq but also in the S&P5,500. Additionally, with money going out of the artificial intelligence stocks, the memory names like Sandisk, Seagate, Western Digital and Micron which had all been on and Fuego, they have seen a lot of profit taking as well. These memory related names have become very expensive on both price to earnings and price to sales basis. And there is still a big demand for memory. But the, but do be aware that in the last time where memory was in big demand and these stocks moved up very quickly, these companies beefed up their production until there was an oversupply which drove their prices down. This is probably an area that would be more ripe for shorter term trading or to me, an area that I'd want to stay away from given they've had very, very significant moves in the last month and a half. And I would, if you want to be in that area, I would tend to focus still on some of the chip names, whether it be Nvidia Advanced or Advanced Micro Devices, Broadcom or even Marvell in that arena. But better still, companies in AI that haven't moved up would be some of the software names. And I think that might offer some better growth opportunities going forward, which could include companies like Microsoft, Google and favorite Amazon.

[Joe Sushere]

Excellent advice as always, Mr. MoneyTalk. You heard him G ers. Now is the time for you to pick up the phone and make the call for that free 48 minute financial consultation again with absolutely zero obligation. You do that just like I did by dialing 952-925-5608, where you always get straight talk and never ever sugarcoated advice. Josh, once again, thank you so much for the time and the chat. Enjoy the rest of your day and we'll talk to you again tomorrow.

[Josh Arnold]

We will definitely do that. And just Chris, I know that you have not told, or maybe you have not told listeners about some of the health concerns with your son, but prayers for your prayers for your young son.

[Joe Sushere]

Thank you so much for saying that, Josh. I really appreciate it. Okay, talk to you soon. Thanks, Josh.

[John Height]

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[Joe Sushere]

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[John Randall]

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