2/12 Author and Ethics Professor Dan Strand joined us to discuss the roots of fraud in Minnesota

Summary

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Garage Logic Podcast – Feb 12, 2026

Guest: Dr. Dan Strand (Author, Ethics Professor, Air War College)
Main Theme: The Roots of Fraud in Minnesota: The Cultural and Political Shifts Enabling Corruption

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Episode Overview

In this episode, “The Mayor” Joe Soucheray and the Garage Logic crew are joined by Dr. Dan Strand, an ethics professor at the Air War College and author of the viral essay, “The Banality of Minnesota Fraud.” The conversation dives deep into the recent, highly-publicized fraud scandals in Minnesota and why the state—once lauded for good governance and civic-mindedness—has shifted towards dysfunction and corruption. Strand, a Minnetonka native, gives an insider-outsider perspective on how progressive ideology, identity politics, and changes in political leadership have altered the state’s culture and opened the door to large-scale fraud. The episode explores themes of neighborliness, manipulation, and the absence of a “common good,” while also touching on parallel issues in national politics, policing, and civic responsibility.

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Key Discussion Highlights

1. Dr. Dan Strand’s Background & Motivation to Write

• Strand is a Minnetonka native, University of Minnesota alum, and currently teaches ethics at the Air War College in Alabama.
• He keeps close tabs on Minnesota politics despite living across the country:

  “You can take the boy out of Minnesota, but you can’t take the Minnesota out of the boy.” (04:28)

• His recent essay, “The Banality of Minnesota Fraud,” was inspired by his shock at the scale and public nature of recent state fraud scandals and the changes in the state's political and civic landscape.

  “It just got to the point where … I’ve been glued to my social media account for the last two, three months, watching the fraud. I just felt compelled to write something.” (04:05)

2. The Transformation of Minnesota’s Political Culture

• Minnesota once revered for moderate politics, fiscal discipline, and high trust, has, according to Strand, undertaken a “hard left turn”—especially in urban leadership (Governor Walz, Rep. Ilhan Omar, AG Keith Ellison).
• The new dominant ideology is rooted in identity politics and ideas that originated in academia:

  “The ideologies that dominated universities in the early 2000s really became prominent ... identity politics stuff ... is the standard politics of the Democratic Party.” (06:12)

• The DFL (Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party) has shifted from a rural-labor base to an urban, activist party, now nearly unrecognizable from its roots.

3. The Banality of Fraud—Not Masterminds, but Mundane Corruption

• Fraud is not the product of criminal masterminds, but of commonplace motives, echoing Hannah Arendt’s idea of “the banality of evil.”
• Quoting from his essay:

  “The uncovered fraud is not the work of Machiavellian masterminds. Quite the opposite. It was occurring in broad daylight. How was it permitted?” (07:32)

• “Operators” use the state’s culture of guilt, fear, and trust to avoid scrutiny and enable wrongdoing.

4. “Neighborliness” as a Double-Edged Sword

• Minnesota’s celebrated culture of neighborliness and tolerance becomes vulnerability:

  “Minnesotans fear being called racist more than anything … They realized … how you can sort of manipulate the broader popular culture in a way that’s politically advantageous.” (16:14)

• False appeals to justice and inclusivity become tools for manipulating public perception and stifling dissent or scrutiny.

5. Progressive Politics as “Secular Religion”

• Strand compares fervent progressive activism to religious faith—immune to evidence of failure and doubling down on ideological convictions:

  “...progressivism which dominates a certain segment … it functions more like a religion. And that’s what I think people don’t quite get.” (11:17)

• Cases in point: abolishing/reducing police, rising crime, focus on equity over practical solutions for citizens (“not concerned with potholes or streetlights or libraries or parks”) (17:50).

6. The Absence of a Real “Common Good”

• Identity politics, per Strand, organizes justice around victim hierarchies that preclude a true common good:

  “Progressives do not have a conception of the common good … their conception of justice is rooted in a hierarchy of victimhood.” (13:14) “Identity politics focuses on difference … not on what binds us together.” (13:56)

• This sows division, resentment, and undermines the basic principles of civic community.

7. The Politics of Guilt, Fear, and Manipulation

• According to Strand, politicians and activists manipulate deep-seated Minnesotan anxieties about bigotry to shield themselves from scrutiny—especially as fraud spread through programs benefiting immigrant or minority groups.

  “Minnesota is a compassionate state ... but you can use that, you can abuse that. ... people feared being on looking like they were targeting the Somali community...” (16:14)

• “Operators” learn to tap into cultural guilt for political power and personal gain.

8. The Path Forward (or Lack Thereof)

• Soucheray and Strand agree: restoring old-fashioned local focus and governmental pragmatism will require a new slate of leaders—something they see little sign of on the horizon.
• Democrats, Strand argues, are locked into increasingly radical policies and personnel:

  “There’s nothing on the horizon [for Democratic moderation] ... if anything, it’s going to double down on this project.” (18:35)

• Practical city governance is out; ideological “crusades” are in.

9. Broader Context: Policing, Trump, and Immigration

• Discussion briefly touches on “faith-like” anti-policing activism, and on Strand’s take on Donald Trump—“he may be a dirtbag, but he’s our dirtbag” (21:01).
• They cover local resistance to ICE’s presence in Minneapolis:

  “It really struck a nerve in Minnesota to see a little kid … grabbed and put in an ICE detention. … the protesters are taking a great deal of credit for that.” (21:49)

• Strand says “they lost that one”—the federal crackdown backfired due to lack of local context. (23:05)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Minnesota’s cultural transformation:

  “Minnesota was still the standard bearer … for most of the nation in terms of good governance and great schools … That state is now gone, and in its place is something wholly different.” (05:28)

• On identity politics as a secular religion:

  “If getting rid of the police and crime skyrockets, you can’t abandon the principle … you have to double down on it. We’re just not doing it enough.” (11:17)

• On manipulation of guilt and fear:

  “That’s the guilt and the fear. Those are very powerful weapons. … they cracked the code on Minnesota.” (16:14)

• On the absence of a common good:

  “Identity politics focuses on difference … not on what binds us together.” (13:56)

• On Trump:

  “He may be a dirtbag, but he’s, you know, for I think what a lot of people have come to just accept as he’s our dirtbag … when the barbarians are at the gate, you need another barbarian to sort of beat them back.” (21:01)

• On political hypocrisy and practical governance:

  “They’re not about lowering crime, making the schools better … There is an ideological component … fighting capitalism, European colonialism, whiteness. That’s what they’re doing in City Council. If it ruins the city, so be it.” (18:35)

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• 00:55 | Dan Strand introduction and background
• 05:28 | Soucheray reads from Strand’s essay on the loss of old Minnesota
• 07:32 | “Banality of evil” and fraud in broad daylight
• 09:37 | On true-believers vs. cynical operators in progressive politics
• 11:17 | Progressivism as a secular religion—results don’t matter, only faith
• 13:14 | Paragraph: “Progressives do not have a conception of the common good…”
• 14:32 | Justice as a victim hierarchy; anti-whiteness and exclusion
• 16:14 | The destructive power of guilt/fear in allowing fraud to continue
• 17:50 | On the need for total leadership change and lack of focus on practical governance
• 18:35 | Intransigence of the Democratic Party, focus on ideology over results
• 21:01 | Strand on Donald Trump as “our dirtbag” and the “barbarian at the gate” logic
• 21:49 | ICE controversy and local reactions
• 23:26 | Strand on his ongoing writing and family connection to Minnesota

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Tone and Style

The tone throughout is frank, sometimes irreverent (true to “Garage Logic” style), blending nostalgia for a lost Minnesota with exasperation at political and cultural trends. Soucheray and his team infuse the discussion with wry humor (“the mayor’s office above the boathouse”), self-deprecation, and an undercurrent of concern for the state’s future. Strand’s academic analysis is accessible and direct, with pointed references to history, philosophy, and lived Minnesotan experience.

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Takeaways for the Uninitiated

• This episode is essential listening for those trying to understand how and why widespread fraud could take root in a state with Minnesota’s reputation.
• Dr. Dan Strand provides a unique blend of academic rigor and personal insight that lays bare the cultural, ideological, and psychological underpinnings of the crisis.
• The conversation suggests that Minnesota’s virtues—neighborliness, compassion, trust—have been weaponized by a new class of political operators, enabled by a secular-progressive worldview that resists accountability.
• Reform, the hosts argue, will require not just new policies but a reinvigoration of practical, civic-minded leadership.

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For full context and richer discussion—including lighter moments, sports, and the usual garage banter—listen to the full episode.

Transcript

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[Chris Reivers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

And now, from the mayor's office above the boathouse on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's Garage Logic with Chris Reavers manning technology corner, Kenny Olson from the crabby coffee shop, John Height in the newsroom, and of course, the rookie here is your Flashlight King fireworks commissioner and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Joe Sush. We're happy to be joined by Daniel Strand, and we're allowed to call him Dan. He should be seen on your screen. Dan, you're a professor of ethics at the Air War College.

[Dan Strand]

Indeed.

[Joe Soucheray]

What is that? What does that mean?

[Dan Strand]

That's what I asked myself. Yeah. So I teach ethics to colonels. That's. The Air War College is the senior staff college in the Air Force. And every branch has their senior staff college. And we're supposed to be focused on the big strategic questions of war fighting. So the army has one, Navy has one, and I'm at the Air Force.

[Joe Soucheray]

And you are in Montgomery, Alabama.

[Dan Strand]

That is correct, yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Daniel, who are you? And what I mean by that is I had never heard of you, except I read a piece by you called the Banality of Minnesota Fraud. It was a piece that appeared in mid January in a, I guess we'd call it a substack called First Things. Is that correct?

[Dan Strand]

Yep. Yeah. First Things is. Yeah. Conservative Christian journal. Yep.

[Joe Soucheray]

And then I looked you up and it turns out you're a Minnesotan. Tell us a little bit about your background.

[Dan Strand]

Yeah, I grew up in Minnetonka. I'm a proud Minnesotan. Went to Minnetonka High School, went to the University of Minnesota. Go Golden, Go. I was there during the golden years of Minnesota Golden Gopher hockey. Back to back. I had season tickets, one of the two greatest sporting seasons of my existence. I tell People, college hockey is the best sport to watch. There's just really nothing like college hockey. Yeah. And then from there, I got married and I moved. So I lived in Boston, Chicago, lived all around the country. I'm an academic, so academics, that's kind of the life you live. But my family all still lives in the Minnetonka area, and so I am back there somewhat frequently.

[Joe Soucheray]

Are you?

[Dan Strand]

Minnesota is my.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah. Do you frequently write for various sources or what. Or did this come out of the blue? What compelled this particular piece called the Banality of Minnesota Fraud?

[Dan Strand]

So I keep up with Minnesota, my family's own. Wherever I live, I always read the news. I always pay attention to what's going on in Minnesota. I'm a Minnesotan at heart. Wherever I live, I've grown to love the United States. I've basically lived all over, but Minnesota is still my. It's my home. So. And, you know, you can take the boy out of Minnesota, but you can't take the Minnesota of the boy, I guess. So when I saw. I mean, and I've been watching the politics from afar, and as I text with my siblings constantly, it's just. It's shocking, you know, And I think it just got to the point where I've been like, y' all have been. I've been glued to my social media account for the last two months, three months, watching the fraud. And I said, I just felt compelled to write something. State of Minnesota politics is. It's, you know, growing up in the sort of Arnie Carlson, Rudy perpich, you know, Tim, plenty years. It's just. It's astounding where it's at right now.

[Joe Soucheray]

What do you think has happened?

[Dan Strand]

Sort of when I, you know, I left in 2004. So what I saw on the horizon, because I was living in Minneapolis at the time, I lived right next to St. Anthony in Maine, and I loved it. It's a beautiful area. Still love. Just seems like there has been a leftward hard turn in the leadership of Minnesota politics.

[Joe Soucheray]

Let me read a paragraph from your piece. I am and continue to be shocked at how extensive it is, meaning the fraud. You see, the Minnesota I grew up in, moderate governors, fiscal discipline, nonpartisan and highly government is how I still remember this state. Yes, it has always leaned left, but it was not culturally left. That state is now gone, and in its place is something wholly different. What is wholly different, do you think?

[Dan Strand]

Well, I guess part of this is a national. I'm in academe, I'm in academia, and it's all left wing. There are no conservatives. So I've seen the transformation over the last two decades. So these trends that we're seeing, largely the Democratic Party, they started a long time ago. These are old, These are old trend lines. And what has happened is the sort of ideologies that dominated in the universities and say the early 2000s really became prominent. The identity politics stuff that I referenced has become the standard politics of the Democratic Party. And you see it in Minnesota, you see it in most left leaning states or some version of it. Minnesota just has a particularly strong version of it in the figure of Tim Waltz, Illin, Omar, Keith Ellison, I mean they are master practitioners of that form of political ideology. And I think you just see the results of it, right? You take a stay. That's beautiful. Well run high levels of trust. You know, is this Minnesota? When I left Minnesota was still the sort of standard bear, I think, for most of the nation in terms of good governance and great schools. I mean, I loved it. I loved, you know, everything about my, my upbringing. I thought it was a, you know, the more I look at, look back on it over time, I realized what a, what a kind of blessing it was.

[Joe Soucheray]

I want to read another paragraph. I'm building up to the paragraph in the piece that most urge me to try to find you and have you on the show. I'll get to that paragraph in a moment. But here's another one. The uncovered fraud is not the work of Machiavellian masterminds. Quite the opposite. It was occurring in broad daylight. How was it permitted? Hannah Arendt, drawing on the Augustinian idea of evil as privation, argued that many of the evil actors in the Nazi reg had motives that were banal. That is, the actors who carried out the evil deeds of Auschwitz were not driven by sinister motives, but rather more mundane ones. Adolf Eichmann, the focus of Arendt's book, was a shallow character. His head was filled with cliched slogans and he seems to have been mostly concerned about career. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry, Governor Tim Walz and Representative Ilhan Omar crusade in the name of justice, compassion and diversity. But behind their transparently thin facade are operators who have learned how to use guilt, fear and power to manipulate Minnesotans to advance their own interests while the state continues to slide towards dysfunction. Minneapolis was a state ripe for corruption because it is a state where progressive ideology and politics have become deeply rooted in the past couple of decades, though primarily in the Twin Cities metro. Historically, the Minnesota Democratic Party, called the Democratic Farmer Labor Party, performed well in rural areas. And in the mining country of northern Minnesota, Tim Walls is a master of evoking the aesthetics of the old DFL with his talks of fixing cars and pheasant hunting. But most Minnesotans don't buy it, which is why the DFL is now an urban party in a sea of red. Speak to us about the kind of progressive politicians that are governing us in the city councils, for example, the mayor's office.

[Dan Strand]

So being around this sort of thinking for a very long time, I always have to ask myself the question, do these people really believe it? And I've come to the conclusion that some do, and some are use it for their own ends. So there's a sort of cynical use of these ideas. And there are true believers. Some people really do believe it. In the academic world, you get true believers more often than not. The people really believe these ideas about racial hierarchies and the patriarchy and that the ridiculous idea that someplace like Minnesota, which is probably the most tolerant and sort of open and welcoming place in the. The planet, is somehow filled with all of this, you know, discrimination and bigotry, which is, you know, it's just kind of silly to anybody else. But those ideas get traction in Minnesota because of the culture. The culture is a sort of very warm and welcoming culture. And so these ideas can be used to sort of manipulate people. But back to your question. Yeah, so the politicians believe it.

[Joe Soucheray]

We have a Minneapolis City Council, for example, that is virtually all democratic socialists. And the question I always am wondering on the show is, what good have they done for people? Where are the good results of this ideology? And I'm not seeing any.

[Dan Strand]

Yeah, yeah, it's not. But the ideology itself, it's like the conservative equivalent is something like sort of tax cuts, which is for people who believe in tax cuts as a sort of religious principle. We had this in the sort of Republican party in the 90s. All you had, you just had to keep on cutting taxes. And it doesn't matter what the issue was, cut the taxes. That was their kind of response is functions kind of similar way, which is, you know, got the police. The consequences don't matter because it functions more like a religion. And that's what I think people don't quite get, is that the sort of progressivism which dominates a certain segment, it's the energy in the Democratic Party right now, and you have a large portion of people, I'd say, in the twin Minneapolis area, in particular St. Paul, but they hold it like a religion. And so the. The results don't matter. Right. Because if you have a religious conviction, If getting rid of the police and crime skyrockets, you can't abandon the principle, the religious conviction. You have to double down on it. We're just not doing it enough.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah. Because religious convictions. Religious convictions are not provable.

[Dan Strand]

Yes, yes. You take it by faith. Right. It's a faith. So I think it's more helpful for people to read this now. It's not everybody. I think a lot of people get caught up in the rhetoric and they think of. Waltz is really good at talking about caring for our neighbors.

[Chris Reivers]

Yeah.

[Dan Strand]

Who doesn't want to do that? So there's a certain segment of the population that just are like, oh, he's just a good guy. He's trying to do good things for people. But there is a pretty hardcore ideological group of activists that they really believe it and they are motivated by it, and their life revolves around this kind of stuff. Like it would be a sort of religion.

[Joe Soucheray]

Let me read you the paragraph that made me say, we gotta have this guy on the air. Ready. The dirty little secret is that for all their talk of the public good, progressives do not have a conception of the common good because their conception of justice is rooted in a hierarchy of. Of victimhood. When one pulls back the rhetorical layers of leftist ideologues, one finds a constellation of ideas that are wholly anathema to public good, of city, states, or nation. If politics is about cultivating and maintaining those public goods that are essential for the thriving of a political community, the political policies of Minnesota Democrats have only undermined that basic principle. Identity politics focuses on difference, what sets us apart and not on what binds us together. I'm fascinated by that because you're saying something I think I've been trying to say, and that also addresses the question I have. What good are you producing? And I think they see a system of justice based on your political identity that fair.

[Dan Strand]

Well, I would say the guiding ideology behind a lot of this stuff is anti whiteness, and it's particularly male anti whiteness. And so the victim hierarchy is going to kind of cash out accordingly. If you're not white, if you're not male, if you're not heterosexual. So you have a sort of. The identity politics appeals to victim classes. That's really its bread and butter. So it has no common vision because it can't include all the oppressors. If you're a white male, you're really, you know, you're the super oppressor.

[Joe Soucheray]

Right.

[Dan Strand]

But if you're a man, you're an Oppressor. If you're heterosexual, you're an oppressor.

[Joe Soucheray]

Right?

[Dan Strand]

If you're, you know, so it's all these immutable characteristics. And so at the end of the day, the whole project, it can't bring people together. It has to kind of rule through fear, through guilt, through these hierarchies which it claims to, you know, want to get rid of, but it just sneaks him in the back door and it uses them for sinister purposes. There's the true believers, but then there's the political operators. Ilhan Omar, I think, is a master class in sort of the way that she uses sort of victimization as her kind of political tool.

[Joe Soucheray]

She's very good at it.

[Dan Strand]

But it comes with taking care of neighbors, we're taking care of people. We want to stand for dignity and so forth, but it's all just hollow rhetoric.

[Joe Soucheray]

Do you think that's why the.

[Dan Strand]

You're right, it doesn't. It doesn't make it better.

[Joe Soucheray]

Do you think the fraud was allowed to exist as long as it did because of this so called false neighborliness identity?

[Dan Strand]

I think Minnesotans have been. I think they fear being called racist probably more than anything. I think they. Minnesota is a compassionate state that is really a strong part of the ethos across the board. It's warm, it's friendly, but you can use that, you can abuse that. And I think, yes, I do think the fraud was allowed to continue and for people to look the other way in part because people feared being on looking like they were targeting the Somali community, targeting people who were victims, being. I mean, that's the guilt and the fear. Those are very powerful weapons. And I feel like they sort of cracked the code on Minnesota, right? They learned that the sort of culture where people really do want to be tolerant and generous and sort of help people who are less fortunate, they realize that they figured it out. They figured out how you can sort of manipulate the broader popular culture in a way that's politically advantageous. I mean, you guys see the fraud, the numbers coming out are just growing every day. I'm following just like you are. It's just. It's just shocking.

[Joe Soucheray]

What will it take for Minnesota to regain the steadfastness it had as recently as just. Let's just use this year arbitrarily, 2004, the year you left Minnesota. To me, it's gonna take a complete new crop of leaders, whether it's city council people, mayors, governors, legislators. We're electing people who only bring their ideological intentions to the position they have no interest in potholes or streetlights or libraries or parks or none of that. They're not concerned with any of that. They're there to, I don't know, reinvent things.

[Dan Strand]

I don't have a lot of confidence that the Democratic Party, I mean, they're completely. There's nothing on the horizon that would say otherwise. So take someone like Amy Klobuchar, who seems like a sweet moderate. Abigail Spamberger is actually a good example of this. She's a similar politician to Klobuchar in Virginia. She was supposed to be this moderate Democrat. Well, she comes into office on day one. She approves a radical gerrymandering program and just passes a whole slate of sort of far left, you know, wish list items. And so, yeah, I don't see how the Democratic Party has anything within it. If anything, it's going to sort of double down on this project of these sort of ideological programs and policies that, you're right, they're not about lowering crime and making the schools better. They're not about kind of improving because, I mean, there is an ideological component which is, I mean, they think capitalism is terrible. Capitalism is sort of, you know, European colonialism. It's part of that whole package whiteness. And if you're fighting, if that's your battle, that's what they're doing in city council. So they want to do. What is it that they want to do? A freeze on evictions in Minneapolis.

[Joe Soucheray]

Right, right, right.

[Dan Strand]

All of this is just part of when you go to the root reason why it's part of this whole program. Minnesota, Minneapolis City Council is probably the most extreme version of that, where it's about the religion. It's about, will you say the things? Will you be part of this crusade? And if it ruins the city, so be it. It's not what they think. If you're in a religious crusade, you're looking for conversions, you're looking for more people, more adherence to the faith. You're not looking for practical things like improving quality of life. That just seems kind of poultry, I think, to them.

[Joe Soucheray]

I have to ask you, as a professor of ethics, what is your position on Donald Trump's presidency?

[Dan Strand]

What aspect?

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, what about him? What about him?

[Dan Strand]

Well, I mean, he's, he's not the most morally upright human being. So I think he's, he lives his life pretty openly. So. So, yeah, I mean, I don't think most people are looking at Donald Trump as a sort of moral icon. I think he is a, you know, he, he may be A sort of dirt bag. But he's, you know, for I think what a lot of people have come to just accept as he's our dirtbag and he's going to do some. It's, you know, like when the, when the barbarians are at the gate, you need another barbarian to sort of beat them back. Whether or not that's, you know, whether people like that or not, I think that's kind of the logic for a lot of people. Not everybody, but you know, some people I think really just like his whole style. But I. Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Did you follow the way that Minneapolitans, mostly people in Minneapolis opposed the presence of ICE here? And I think it was a reflection of trying to be warm and welcoming. Do you buy that? Do you see where I'm going with that? In other words, it really struck a nerve in Minnesota to see a little kid, for example, grabbed and put in an ice detention. And that grabbed the hearts of Minnesota. We learn today. You might not be aware of this. Tom Holman announced today that they're withdrawing. ICE is ending its so called siege of Minneapolis. And I think the protesters are taking a great deal of credit for that.

[Dan Strand]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think I've been thinking about the whole ice surge into Minneapolis.

[John Haidt]

And.

[Dan Strand]

I think it was a gambit of sorts on Trump's part and I think it backfired. At the end of the day, I think they, they could have gone in with a lighter touch. They could have gone in and they could have done it differently.

[Joe Soucheray]

Right.

[Dan Strand]

But they went in sort of full bore.

[Kenny Olson]

Right.

[Dan Strand]

And I think it's probably also just not appreciating the context. Right. Minneapolis is not like every other city and to. So I think, yeah, I think at the end of the day he realized that he lost that one. Yeah, seems like it.

[Joe Soucheray]

Are you planning any more writing? Are you doing it all the time and I'm just unaware?

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, yeah, no, I write.

[Dan Strand]

I write all the time. Yep. Yep. I write all the time. I do a lot of foreign policy stuff.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, I don't want that. That's too difficult for me to understand. Are you writing only for first things or anybody that will have you?

[Dan Strand]

Yeah, I write in different outlets. Yep. Yeah. Different kind of online magazines tend to be more conservative type organizations. But yeah, I write for first things occasionally.

[Joe Soucheray]

When's the next time you'll be in Minnesota?

[Dan Strand]

I'm going to be there for my parents 80th birthday. So I'll be there in about a month. I will be celebrating.

[Joe Soucheray]

Would you like to come in the studio when you're in town.

[Chris Reivers]

You're breaking up, Joe.

[Rookie]

Yeah, sorry. That long pause we saw right through you there, pal. Come on, Dan.

[Dan Strand]

Yes, I would love to. Nothing more. There's nothing more I would like to do.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, your parents, you told me before the show stair we're listened to in your parents home, is that correct or they're aware of it?

[Dan Strand]

Yeah, yeah, my parents, my, my family all listens to you. My brother in law. So everybody, you know, when they're driving around doing their thing, they're all garage logic people. Well, well, they're more excited than I was because I was like, yeah, I kind of remember that show. And my brother was like, they're pretty popular.

[Kenny Olson]

So they warned you, in other words.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, will you have one of them get a hold of us and so we can contact you? Or else.

[Dan Strand]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think Gabe's got a number.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh well if we have your number. If we have your number, we're fine then.

[Dan Strand]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll pass on my number to Gabe. He can, he can give it to you guys.

[Joe Soucheray]

Dan Strand, I thank you a great deal. It was fun to have you.

[Dan Strand]

Yeah, thanks for having me. Appreciate you guys.

[Joe Soucheray]

All right, we'll be in touch.

[Dan Strand]

Okay, take care.

[Joe Soucheray]

Thank you.

[Chris Reivers]

All right, bye.

[John Haidt]

Bye.

[Joe Soucheray]

Bye. There's a delay on that, isn't there? A little bit of a delay.

[Rookie]

There always is a side later.

[Chris Reivers]

You handled it well.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, you were champions.

[Rookie]

That was pretty impressive.

[Joe Soucheray]

I waited. I got that counted too.

[Chris Reivers]

Got it.

[Kenny Olson]

Might be the first time I never.

[Rookie]

Got to my questions.

[Chris Reivers]

Can we do one of these, by the way?

[Joe Soucheray]

Sure.

[Chris Reivers]

Let's talk about North American Banking Company. Did you guys get your apparel?

[Rookie]

By the way, I love the new pullover. I love the color. It's going to make my eyes look very blue.

[Chris Reivers]

I think I like this quarter zip more than the ones last year. And I like the ones last year. It's got like a camouflage look to it.

[Joe Soucheray]

High degree stains, they're very golfy.

[Chris Reivers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

Joe, the guy teaches ethics to colonels.

[Rookie]

Would that be difficult or easy? I'm trying to figure that out.

[Chris Reivers]

I don't.

[David Finewalk]

Colonel? Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

You think he could learn me anything?

[Joe Soucheray]

I think so. He seems an affable sort. And Rook, what was your question?

[Rookie]

I'm gonna wait till he's in studio.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay. More fun, but it's good to know there are people. In this case, it's even more interesting that he's a native whose attention has been grabbed by what's happening here.

[Rookie]

Even though he's out east or whatever.

[Joe Soucheray]

He'S in Montgomery, Alabama, and he moves all around, and he teaches at these Air Force academies. And out of the blue, he wrote this piece. And I was most intrigued to discover that he was from the Minnetonka area. But I'm. It comforts me to know that, you know, G.L. isn't alone. We're looking at this all the time, and here's people that have degrees who can comment on it better than we can, you know, so fantastic.

[Rookie]

Don't put yourself down like that. You just put yourself down there. Mr. New Fart Button, and he's got an ethics degree.

[Joe Soucheray]

But I like to hear from people who corroborate what we're up to. And I heard a lot of things that do, in fact, corroborate.

[Rookie]

Well, you're right. He has no reason to pay attention to Minnesota's fraud with his successful career.

[Joe Soucheray]

But. But my point is it's. It's. It's been noticeable all over the country.

[Rookie]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

People are saying, what God's name is going on there? You know, could be worse. You could be a. You could have been a Super bowl competitor in California.

[Rookie]

How so?

[Joe Soucheray]

Like, Sam Darnold lost money and. Lost money.

[Rookie]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's like Kenny sent me this. Do you believe this?

[Chris Reivers]

Yes.

[Kenny Olson]

It seems so nonsensical that I thought it was a lie or a joke or made up.

[Joe Soucheray]

After winning the Super Bowl, Seattle Seahawks quarterback Sam Darnold is expected to pay 249 grand in California state taxes exceeding his winner's bonus, which was 170. Because the Seahawks spent eight duty days in California, the state taxed a portion of his high value annual contract, 13.3% rate. So he has a net loss. Winning. Winning. Despite winning, Darnold is roughly 71 grand in the red due to California's jock tax. The tax is not just on the bonus, but on a prorated share of his entire season's earnings for based on the eight days spent in California for the championship. Wow. Because the Seahawks are based in Washington, which has no state income tax, this temporary work in high tax California triggered a massive unexpected tax liability. The situation prompted calls from figures like Boomery Siason and others in the National Football League Players association to reconsider playing future Super Bowls in California.

[John Haidt]

That's going to go over well.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's thievery. Yeah, that's just. That's theft.

[John Haidt]

But I went down a rabbit hole on this yesterday. It does include the money he made this year. That's why the tax is that big.

[Joe Soucheray]

I just said that.

[John Haidt]

Well, he made a $32 million signing bonus.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[John Haidt]

Plus his actual salary, which was 12.

[Kenny Olson]

Right.

[John Haidt]

So there's 45 million and add whatever.

[Rookie]

I'm feeling less sympathy right now.

[Joe Soucheray]

But John, what right does California have that money?

[Chris Reivers]

No, no, no, John, John, John, you're missing this. This is subtracting what they actually made for their bonus by. By winning the game or playing in the Super Bowl.

[John Haidt]

It's got. No, the bonus is added.

[Joe Soucheray]

Is added to the whole income.

[Chris Reivers]

I get that. I get that. But what the. The point is even winning the game because the Patriots got dinged even more because they did. They didn't make as much because they lost the Super Bowl.

[John Haidt]

So.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, I'm assuming every single player on both teams got nailed.

[Joe Soucheray]

Why don't we. Why don't we just state it this.

[Kenny Olson]

Way and all the coaches, why don't.

[Joe Soucheray]

We state it this way? What right does California have to the money? Exactly.

[Kenny Olson]

It's organized.

[John Haidt]

Why does it count as eight days worked in California? That's what I don't get.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, I suppose they were there for.

[Kenny Olson]

Eight days and my question is, why didn't they all just leave for two days?

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, the lesson learned there is if there's another super bowl in California which is coming next year, train at home and fly in the night before the game or go to Arizona or go to Nevada.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, I would get Covid and just skip the whole thing.

[Joe Soucheray]

Like tomorrow there's a. I've got Covid Tomorrow. Yeah.

[John Haidt]

Do you remember Ray Ratto, Chris?

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, yeah, I know Ray very well.

[John Haidt]

A fine piece he wrote on all this.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, he did.

[John Haidt]

Which will go a little opposite to what you guys are saying.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, but Ray rattles a San Francisco lefty.

[Kenny Olson]

What does ra. Can you paraphrase them, John?

[John Haidt]

Yeah, that. Because it's the whole. I mean, you're paying taxes on 45 million 200. Whatever he made in the Super Bowl. So you're paying taxes on that. That's what that number is from.

[Joe Soucheray]

We're aware of California. We're aware of that.

[John Haidt]

And he's saying also any NFL or will tell you if he can go play in the super bowl, win and get a bonus, he'll pay taxes for it. That was a raise point.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay, I can see paying taxes on the bonus he got for winning the super bowl, but California went to his whole yearly income. Give us our taste.

[John Haidt]

That's what I said. Why if you're only there eight days, are you paying on the entire year's income? That's what I don't get.

[Rookie]

Why is this coming up this year though? Hasn't this been.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's probably always been the case, but.

[Chris Reivers]

There was also a significant tax increase in the state of California as of January 1st.

[Joe Soucheray]

Plus, it's always significant. No one's gonna feel sorry for Darl. That's the kind of world we live in. Oh, what does he care? He made 45 million. He can afford it. Which is not the point.

[Kenny Olson]

I bleep 10 grand.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's not the Moss comment.

[Rookie]

I believe 70 grand.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, well, that's not the point. The point is what California saying Give us your money.

[Kenny Olson]

Do you know how many, what is the minimum amount of days that you have to be there in order to be taxed in that matter and what the reason I'm bringing that up is? Do artists say a big concert tour, you know, band play their four days?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, sure they do. Yeah. What if I'm a traveling salesman? Seriously, I meet salesman, I fly to LA and I sell them. I sell somebody a million dollars worth of vacuums and my taste on that is, you know, a hundred and. A hundred and two thousand dollars. Okay, do I am I pay in California on that for my one day.

[Kenny Olson]

Visit, you now owe them a half a million dollars just by bringing it up.

[Joe Soucheray]

And a vacuum. I owe a new vacuum sales tax and a half a million.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah. What a bunch of your line of vacuums, they're called what, Herm?

[Joe Soucheray]

Kerms. I sell kerms. Yeah, they're A great vacuum.

[Kenny Olson]

They really suck.

[Rookie]

Best thing to do in the California is win the lottery because there is no state taxes for the lottery.

[John Haidt]

Really?

[Joe Soucheray]

You don't.

[Chris Reivers]

Which makes.

[Joe Soucheray]

Which makes no sense.

[Rookie]

Zero sense.

[Joe Soucheray]

No sense.

[Chris Reivers]

Zero sense.

[Joe Soucheray]

You're going to get Sam Darnold, who won a Super bowl, threatening his life. Yeah, but you win a billion dollars in the lottery and you don't pay tax.

[Rookie]

Not a dime.

[Joe Soucheray]

I don't. I don't pretend to understand that you.

[John Haidt]

Have to work in California 278 days. But this is a special. It's called the jock tax JOC tax that they enacted.

[Joe Soucheray]

Do the wild players have to pay taxes on their daily rate of pay when they play the Kings?

[Rookie]

Yes, all baseball, all major leaguers do.

[John Haidt]

It's all based on duty days. For example, if an athlete spends 10 days in California out of 200 total working days, 5% of their total annual salary is subject to income tax.

[Joe Soucheray]

God almighty.

[Chris Reivers]

Crap.

[Rookie]

How did they figure that?

[Kenny Olson]

What an eye opener.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wow.

[Kenny Olson]

I had no idea.

[Joe Soucheray]

So the Phillies are at the Dodgers for four days, John.

[Chris Reivers]

Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

Are they paying a duty tax?

[John Haidt]

You're.

[Joe Soucheray]

Why is that funny? Oh, you child dookie.

[John Haidt]

How many for an athlete? How many total working days would that be? Do you count the whole year? You know what I mean?

[Rookie]

Well, because you would have been there in California playing the Padres or playing.

[Joe Soucheray]

Let me ask it this way. Here we go.

[Rookie]

Yeah, break it down, Billy.

[Joe Soucheray]

Does the tax kick in? The jock tax kick in? Only if you're there a certain number of days.

[John Haidt]

No, I think it's even if you're there one day, like a Super bowl or whatever.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, but they weren't there one day.

[John Haidt]

No, but. Okay, here, let me tell you. It's based on duty days. For example, if an athlete spends 10 days out of total working days. So say you have 300 working days and you're there for one day to play a soccer match.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[John Haidt]

Then you have to pay 5% or you have. No, not 5%. 1% of your total annual salary, subject to California state income tax. So demanding, depending on how many days you are there. That's how your percentage works.

[Kenny Olson]

My God.

[John Haidt]

Of what you pay.

[Kenny Olson]

We need to annex them.

[John Haidt]

So it could be one to, you know, 365 days. Whichever.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wow.

[John Haidt]

273 days.

[Joe Soucheray]

Because that's slip.

[Kenny Olson]

Can we just take a vote and kick them out of the country?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, get them out of here.

[Kenny Olson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Chris Reivers]

Shut up.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Chris Reivers]

Linda.

[Rookie]

What?

[Kenny Olson]

Thank you.

[Chris Reivers]

Linda.

[Linda Keller]

Yes.

[Chris Reivers]

Hello, Joe. Has a question for you.

[Joe Soucheray]

Linda Keller is a tax accountant and a preparer of taxes. We are discussing, Linda, what California calls a jock tax. And we just learned that Sam Darnold. Where the hell do I have it? Sam Darnold?

[Chris Reivers]

I threw it to the bottom of the pile cause I was done with it.

[Joe Soucheray]

Sam Darnold, the quarterback for the Seahawks is expected to pay approximately 200 dol $149,000 in California state taxes. That exceeds the 178 grand he won as a winner. Because the Seahawks spent eight duty days in California, the state taxed a portion of his high value annual contract under its 13.3, 13.3% rate. In other words, they taxed Sam Darnold's, you know, $48 million that he earned this year.

[Linda Keller]

Yeah, well any place you play you're gonna pay tax if that state has tax. So yeah, California loves it when the athletes come to town or the high dollars because they get a nice chunk of money.

[Joe Soucheray]

Is that true in Minnesota?

[Linda Keller]

Yes, that's true for any state. So I have a couple returns that like I have a, an athlete or a musician. They work in many, many states and they get a W2 for every state that they're.

[Joe Soucheray]

Damned. I'll be damned.

[Kenny Olson]

What about this one? I've got a scenario. I'm going to sell everything, Linda, and I'm going to live in my truck and. No, stay with me because I've been thinking about this a long time. I'm going to move around the Twin Cities like a nomad and I might end up in California for a month, but I'm still going to get paid and do Garage Logic and so I'll still be employed in Minnesota. Do I owe them anything?

[Linda Keller]

That's true. No, you would have to be, to be a resident of a state you have to be there for six months. But you can work in a state and not pay. I mean you can work in a state and have to file a tax return. You just don't necessarily owe them tax. I mean each state has a threshold.

[Kenny Olson]

So what I heard you say there is lie, lie, lie. That's what I heard.

[John Haidt]

Linda, I have a question based on Candy. This is John. If I moved, if I move to Arizona and I do Garage Logic like I do now, who do I owe money to? Both states or.

[Linda Keller]

No, you never have to pay both states. You'd credit one or the other. But if you, you, so you know you, you'd never get double taxed at the state level.

[John Haidt]

Okay, I see.

[Kenny Olson]

John, are we thinking the same thing.

[Chris Reivers]

Yes, we are.

[Linda Keller]

Arizona. That a great one because it's a flat rate. 2.5% flat rate on your income on the state level and.

[David Finewalk]

Yeah.

[Linda Keller]

Which is a lot less.

[John Haidt]

I'll. I'll see you guys from the Tucson area in about a month.

[Joe Soucheray]

They don't even have fraud eating up half the states.

[Chris Reivers]

And Hubbard has stations in the Phoenix area.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know what?

[Kenny Olson]

We've come on a really good topic here, Linda. What would be the best state to live in as far as paying the least amount of tax?

[Rookie]

Mississippi.

[Linda Keller]

Well, there's a lot of states that don't have any tax at all, like Texas, Nevada, Tennessee, Washington. Yeah, there's. There's quite a few that don't have any tax at all. But, you know, Arizona is a pretty good one for that low. If you have an actual rate. 2.5 is a pretty good rate. Flat rate. No matter how much money you make. Rich, poor, whatever.

[Joe Soucheray]

Why in the hell are we living here?

[Chris Reivers]

That's a great question, Mayor.

[Joe Soucheray]

I don't know.

[Linda Keller]

I feel like I need to go to Arizona.

[John Haidt]

Yeah, no kidding, Linda.

[Rookie]

It's Rookie. When can I no longer claim Gabe?

[Linda Keller]

Once he's out of school, making money on his own.

[Kenny Olson]

So.

[Joe Soucheray]

Linda, thank you.

[Linda Keller]

Oh, you're welcome.

[Joe Soucheray]

Thank you.

[Linda Keller]

You get it? Yeah. Take care, you guys.

[Joe Soucheray]

All right.

[Kenny Olson]

So you'll be talking soon?

[Chris Reivers]

Yeah, you'll hear from me in about two hours.

[Joe Soucheray]

Here's what I see. Here's what I see. Talk to me next year. And this is episode number whatever of Garage Logic. It's February, and I'm in some state, and everyone's in a different place. We have no idea where anybody is. And the next day, it'd be the same thing. We would not have a clue where we are.

[Chris Reivers]

The record high in Scottsdale was 114.

[Kenny Olson]

On this day, that is my fantasy. Yeah, I really want to make that happen. So I'm gonna start planning right now. I just decided in the last 10 minutes, every single cylinder I own is for sale. That includes tractors.

[Joe Soucheray]

Everything.

[Rookie]

Cirrhosis.

[Joe Soucheray]

Tractors.

[Kenny Olson]

And the. Yeah, the pontoon, all the snowmobiles, the motorcycles, the track. Did I say tractors? There's more tractors. There's chainsaws, everything. And I can promise you all of those cylinders run like a charm. They purr. And that's all thanks to Seafoam. I just had an engine rebuilt a couple of weeks ago. First thing I did when I got it home is just feed it a tiny little bit of seafoam just for good measure. Just. Just to kind of make me happy knowing that that Seafoam will keep those ports in the engine and the jets and the carburetor happy and clean and free flowing. It's the best thing we can do for our cylinders and it doesn't matter if they're diesel or gas one lungers or hey, do you have a 12 cylinder engine? What's that all about? Doesn't matter. Seafoam is the answer. Today's gas cannot be trusted and Seafoam will help us through these times of whoa. A wonderful product in a world of bad gas. Seafoam.

[David Finewalk]

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[Chris Reivers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

Chris Reivers is a paid endorser. They're talking. He'll just make a move.

[Chris Reivers]

Joe Sugiray, you know what you just heard straight from the horse's mouth. Wait, that's kind of insensitive. No, I shouldn't say that about Linda Keller. She's the best. She's the absolute best. And you know what you just heard from her firsthand a few minutes ago. That's why you need to switch your tax service to Linda Keller. And kellertaxservice.com 320-352-0013 is where you book your appointment. Or like I mentioned, just go to kellertaxservice.com and you can also book your appointment. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to wake up. We're halfway through the month of February already and you need to get on that schedule before she decides to fill up and shut her down and move to Arizona. Also on that website, Joe, every single updated bit of tax information is also available on that website. And you business owners, don't be a dummy. Go with the best. Go with Linda Keller. She's been handling my taxes for a number of years now, and I can attest, she leaves no stone unturned. And you know what the best part about doing your taxes with her? She sends out the packet to you and says, sign here, send that, sign this, sign that, send it back to me. Bing, bang, boom, it's over with KellertaxService.com or 320-352-0013 and please let her know that you heard about her on the Garage Logic podcast.

[Joe Soucheray]

Joe, may I say a final word about taxes before we go to John it's one thing to pay the taxes in Minnesota as high as they are. It's another thing to pay them when you know perfectly well that the state has been so poorly managed and so irresponsible that half the, about half the income taxes collected in Minnesota this year would be required to cover the amount of fraud stolen from us. So that really makes it hurts.

[Kenny Olson]

And then when they get a nice little piggy bank going, a big old surplus for all of us to enjoy.

[Joe Soucheray]

Then they blow that.

[John Haidt]

I'm glad Kenny brought that up because to me, that was the first sign that things were goofy. I thought, if we're going to spend all that money anyway, you guys Know.

[Kenny Olson]

What I'm talking about? That was confirmation for me, John.

[John Haidt]

Confirmation perfect. Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

Here's John Haidt.

[John Haidt]

Why, thank you, Joe. This news is brought to you by North American Banking Company. After 10 weeks, the federal surge of immigration enforcement officers in Minnesota is ending. White House border czar Tom Holman announced this morning U.S. immigration and Customs or ICE and Border Patrol officers have already started to leave the state and will continue to do so over the next week, Homan said. I have proposed and President Trump has concurred that this operation conclude a significant drawdown has already been underway this week and will continue. A small footprint and personnel will remain for a period of time to close out and transition full command and control back to the field office, according to Holman. With Holman's statement that a small footprint will remain, it's still unclear exactly how many officers are leaving the state, how long those who remain will stay here. The border czar did state that some federal officers will stay in the state to focus on investigations into fraud. Remember, that was the original stated purpose of Operation Metro surge and also to deal with agitators. In his words. However, he will again provided no specific details of what that will look like.

[Kenny Olson]

There is a commentary piece today in the Minneapolis Times from council member Chavez regarding ICE leaving.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes.

[Kenny Olson]

And you know, like you mentioned when you were talking to Dan, they're taking credit and calling this a victory and none of them ever mention the criminals that have been taken off the street.

[Joe Soucheray]

Which to me is Shabazz is in over his head. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Yeah.

[John Haidt]

The new NBC News Care 11 Star Tribune poll says Minnesotans living in the Twin Cities and the surrounding suburbs are near lockstep in their disapproval of the immigration crackdown. Reporting in a new poll that they believe the federal government has overreached immigration agents tactics went too far. The findings also show that political independence opinions align more closely with those of Democrats. And some political watchers say that could be an early warning that President Trump's Operation Metro surge might hinder Minnesota Republicans chances of winning control of the governor's office. Dan kind of hinted at all that.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes, he did that.

[John Haidt]

That's what was going on in the NBC News Decision Desk. Care 11 Minnesota Star Tribune Poll Powered by Survey Monkey Nearly 60% of respondents across Minnesota disapproved of the handling of immigration either somewhat or strongly. And 64% disapproved of how ICE is doing the job. Two thirds of Minnesotans said they believed ICE's tactics had gone too far. Those numbers climbed to 82% in the Twin Cities and 71% in the suburbs. That defined as the counties of Anoka, Carver, Dakot, Hennepin, Ramsey, Scott, and Washington, minus the cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul. In the suburbs, 63% of people said they weren't confident the federal government would conduct a fair and transparent investigation into the shootings of Renee Good and Alex Pretty, two US Citizens killed by immigration agents in Minneapolis in January.

[Joe Soucheray]

It was hard to watch it and come up with the idea that it was done very well.

[John Haidt]

More older Americans are unretiring to keep up with the cost of living. Two more years.

[Joe Soucheray]

Two more years.

[John Haidt]

A new aarp.

[Joe Soucheray]

Hi, everybody.

[John Haidt]

Just wheel you right in.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[John Haidt]

A new AARP study.

[Joe Soucheray]

We can have one later.

[Rookie]

Put the bib back on them.

[Chris Reivers]

We.

[John Haidt]

A new AARP study shows more retirees are returning to the workforce, with the top reason for unretiring being the need for money. It's not always easy. More than two thirds of older workers say it's difficult to find a new job. Career Force, the state of Minnesota's job search Resource, helps older workers find positions. Glorie Mitchell is a workforce development representative with Career Force, says, what we do is we meet the older workers where they're at, but we don't leave them there. We offer an Employment Over 55 workshop. It's virtual, and all of our workshops are virtual so they can watch it on their phones. What we talk about is how to interview well, how to present yourself. All of our services are free. According to AARP, the past six months, 7% of retirees have reentered the labor force, up from 6% who said the same in summer of 2025.

[Joe Soucheray]

John, that unfortunate figure you had the other day of the average American has $1,000 in savings. So that's not the average retiree. That was just the average 30 year old.

[John Haidt]

Correct.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[John Haidt]

Okay. Yes.

[Rookie]

You up to about 750 now.

[Joe Soucheray]

Because if you had a grand in savings, you couldn't retire. No.

[John Haidt]

Oh, it'd be impossible, Right. If you have more than a grand.

[Chris Reivers]

I'm in. All that?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Rookie]

What do you got, Ken? 350.

[Kenny Olson]

What? What I've heard from employers about hiring the elderly is that they're a lot more trustworthy and more apt to show up when the weather is bad, when there's a blizzard and all of that because they have. I don't know what. What would be the term?

[Joe Soucheray]

Discipline.

[Kenny Olson]

Discipline, Right. That they're less prone to say, I wasn't feeling it today.

[Rookie]

Yeah.

[John Haidt]

We'll see you tomorrow.

[Chris Reivers]

Then Kenny.

[Rookie]

Yeah, if I hit a dime, huh?

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm looking forward to seeing Kenny at the golf show tomorrow.

[Rookie]

Oh, he's clutching his chest right now. I think he just took a nitro.

[John Haidt]

Kenny, look. Yeah, you look pretty peaked, as they say. Better be careful. Governor Wall announcing $1.2 billion in disaster recovery funds for St. Paul. All of this because of that cyber attack that crippled the city's computer Networks last summer. St. Paul city officials previously said a July 25 ransomware attack exposed 43 gigabytes of data from a Parks and Rec hard drive. Shortly after, the city shut down its computer systems to contain the breach, and later had about 3,500 municipal employees scrubbed their data and reset their login information. At the time, the governor had activated the Minnesota National Guard to respond to the crisis. The impacts on municipal services ranged from Internet outages through libraries and recreation centers to the temporary loss of online bill payment processing. Now, disaster funds will be doled out to St. Paul to provide necessary resources to respond to the incident and restore critical systems.

[Chris Reivers]

I'm guessing Tom Johnson is not a town council member. This is hilarious. You ready? Okay, this came in three minutes ago.

[Joe Soucheray]

Does it have anything to do with the news?

[Chris Reivers]

Joe, can you please have a show on moving to a low or non state tax and maybe have that accountant lady on to talk about how to do it? Okay, I just responded.

[John Haidt]

Tom.

[Joe Soucheray]

Thank you, pal.

[Chris Reivers]

We just chatted with her a couple. I'm gonna guess he's not a town council member, so he'll hear it later today.

[John Haidt]

Why don't we take a quick break here and hear from Mr. Olson?

[Kenny Olson]

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[John Haidt]

In national international news from the Here we go Again department and perhaps what has happened here in Minnesota today will affect this, but we still have that looming funding lapse at the Department of Homeland Security and that could shut down part of the government anyway. Congress approved full time funding for the vast majority of the federal government two weeks ago, but it only passed a short term funding patch for the department, Department of Homeland Security, that extends through tomorrow. Democrats insist any funding bill for the department come with changes to immigration enforcement operations. Finding agreement on that issue has been difficult, even though lawmakers in both parties are skeptical. The White House official said the administration was having constructive talks with both Republicans and Democrats. Meanwhile, Republicans say a Homeland Security shutdown would not curtail the work of the agencies. Democrats are the most concerned about President Trump's tax spending cut bill last year gave him a great in Customs about $75 billion to expand detention capacity and beef up enforcement ops. Officials say about 90% of the department's employees would continue working in a shutdown, but they would do so without pay. Update now to that story of that school shooting in British Columbia. Canadian security officials identified the suspect as an 18 year old transgender teenager named Jesse Von Rootsella. British Columbia Royal Canadian Mounted Police deputy commissioner Duane McDonald also told reporters during a news conference that police were correcting earlier information about the number of fatalities. He said eight people and the shooter were dead, so nine people total instead of the 10 talked about yesterday. McDonald identified the suspect as an 18 year old female, the name of Jesse Van Root Salaar, adding, we have a history of police attendance at that family residence. Some of those calls were related to mental health issues. Police said earlier the suspect was found dead inside the school from a Self inflicted injury. Asked about the suspect's gender identity, he said, I can't say. Jesse was born a biological male who about six years ago began to transition to female and identified as female both socially and publicly. Sergeant Vanessa Mon of BCRCMP Media Relations also said the victims at the school included a 39 year old female educator and three 12 year old females. Students to male students ages 12 and 13.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know, here's what I would do. If the 12 year old girl comes into the kitchen, she says to her mom, I'm a boy. The mom's got to say, well, you're not. And, and, and seriously, you're not. Got to deal with it and let's, let's start talking about it.

[Chris Reivers]

And unfortunately, this person's mother was big on transgender policy and trans identify.

[Joe Soucheray]

Where did you read this?

[Chris Reivers]

Well, it was part of the story yesterday. All right, we, we, we seriously need to stop adopting this mental illness as normalcy.

[Joe Soucheray]

I would just say, well, you're not. Let's, let's begin a nice series of chats here.

[Chris Reivers]

I agree with you completely, but best of luck.

[Rookie]

I mean, you're a, a, you're a girl, but you have the vroom gene.

[Joe Soucheray]

Good.

[Rookie]

Remember, you're giving you the purse gene or the vroom gene at birth.

[Joe Soucheray]

You can have a vroom.

[Rookie]

You like the vroom gene more.

[Joe Soucheray]

You can have a vroom gene and still be a girl. Right, right, right. Exactly.

[Rookie]

Yeah.

[John Haidt]

Follow up to another story from yesterday. This one, this one's gone through a lot of changes. The Pentagon allowed U.S. customs and Border Protection to use an anti drone laser. That's laser. Earlier, earlier this week, leading the FAA to suddenly close the airspace over El Paso, Texas. That according to two people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity. This whole confusing arc of events began as the FAA announced it was shutting down all flight traffic over the city for 10 days, stranding travelers. But the closure ended up only lasting a few hours instead of the 10 days. The Trump administration said it stemmed from the FAA and Pentagon working to halt an incursion by Mexican cartel drones, which are not uncommon, along the southern border. But one of the people said laser was deployed near Fort Bliss without coordinating with the faa, which then decided to close airspace to ensure commercial air safety. Others familiar with the matter said the technology was used despite a meeting scheduled for later this month between the pentagon and the FAA to talk about, about the issue.

[Kenny Olson]

100 cover up 100%. Yeah, I know exactly what happened.

[John Haidt]

Go ahead.

[Joe Soucheray]

Aliens.

[Kenny Olson]

Aliens were going home.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yep, yep. Aliens and they said they were pointed.

[Rookie]

Heads reveal their full report if they paid the ransom of $1 million.

[John Haidt]

Federal judge agreed this morning to temporarily block the Pentagon from punishing Democratic Senator Mark Kelly, the former Navy pilot and astronaut who took part in a video that called troops to resist unlawful orders. U.S. district Judge Richard Leon ruled the Pentagon officials violated Kelly's First Amendment free speech rights and threatened the constitutional liberties of millions of military retirees. In November, Kelly and five other Democratic lawmakers appeared on a video when they urged troops to uphold the Constitution and not to follow unlawful military directives. Republican President Trump accused the lawmakers of sedition punishable by death. In a social media post days later, then Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Kelly's censure was a necessary process step to proceedings. The judge concluded Kelly's speech is entitled to full First Amendment protection and wrote horse, horse, horse feathers in response to the government's argument that Kelly is trying to exempt himself from the rules of military justice.

[Joe Soucheray]

Horse feathers.

[Kenny Olson]

Isn't that what Colonel Potter said all the time on mash?

[Joe Soucheray]

Horse brothers.

[Kenny Olson]

Horse hockey.

[Joe Soucheray]

Horse hockey. I think, yeah.

[John Haidt]

A man who took part.

[Rookie]

What was that whole clinger thing?

[Joe Soucheray]

I don't know. John.

[John Haidt]

Man who took part in the January 6th attack on the US Capitol, later pardoned by the president, found guilty yesterday of multiple child sexual abuse charges in Florida. Andrew Paul Johnson, arrested in Tennessee this August and extradited to Florida. He pleaded not guilty. As of last month. The report from Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and investigators from the House Judiciary Democrats identified at least 33 of the people pardoned have been charged with crimes since being pardoned. Six of the pardoned insurrection is charged with committing child sex crimes, five charged with illegal possession of weapons, including two who had previous domestic violence convictions and two have been charged with rape.

[Joe Soucheray]

The set for MASH was in a Malibu canyon.

[Rookie]

Really?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah. I don't know which one, but it.

[Kenny Olson]

Was Joe AI1 in there.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's wrong.

[John Haidt]

People wanted to know the group of Buddhist monks who have been walking across parts of the U. S. I don't know if you guys have followed this story.

[Joe Soucheray]

How you doing, pal?

[John Haidt]

They reached Washington, D.C. on Tuesday, walking single file across a bridge over the Potomac river river to cap a 15 week trek from Texas that is.

[Chris Reivers]

Caps closed. Moose outside. Should have told you.

[Kenny Olson]

Sorry, guys.

[John Haidt]

Sundown, they received an extensive police escort and through crowds at two venues, the monks in their saffron robes have become fixtures on social media along with their rescue dog Aloka. After spending Monday night in Arrington, Arlington Excuse me, Virginia. They crossed over the chain bridge into the District of Columbia shortly after 8 in the morning. They walked to advocate for peace. And it just resonated across the US as a welcome respite from conflict and political division. Thousands had gathered along roadsides to watch the monks quiet procession that began in late October.

[Joe Soucheray]

Let's go watch those guys walk.

[Rookie]

Right Single file.

[John Haidt]

Large crowds greeted them as they began their two day stay in Washington. The Metropolitan police department issued a traffic advisory announcing there would be rolling road closures along the monks route to ensure safety for them and spectators. They began their 2,300mile journey journey on October 26th in Fort Worth. Fort Worth, Texas. The monks have been surprised to see their message transcend ideologies. Millions have followed them online and crowds have greeted them at numerous venues. While in the U. S. Capitol they plan to submit a request to lawmakers to declare Vesic Buddha's birthday as a national holiday.

[Joe Soucheray]

Will they get a meeting?

[Chris Reivers]

Sorry folks, we're closed for two weeks.

[Kenny Olson]

To clean and repair America. America's favorite family fun park.

[Joe Soucheray]

Sorry, did they get a meeting with Don?

[John Haidt]

I wonder that I don't know this.

[Kenny Olson]

Are you guys familiar with the Way of St. James? The Camino de Santiago walk in Spain? It's a religious walk.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes I am, believe it or not.

[Kenny Olson]

A thousand year old pilgrimage in a network that people walk and it leads to a cathedral in Santiago de Cam, where St. James is.

[Joe Soucheray]

I know people have made the walk. So do I. I do.

[Kenny Olson]

So do I. As recent as this last summer.

[Joe Soucheray]

I think as recently as a grandkid, maybe last year.

[Kenny Olson]

And it's fascinating. And I got daily pictures every day and it really looks just fascinating, really interesting.

[Chris Reivers]

Could you do it, you know, a Royce walk version of that?

[Joe Soucheray]

Not really. You'd have to down and. No, you'd have to walk it.

[Chris Reivers]

We will walk.

[Kenny Olson]

I knew if I brought that up.

[Joe Soucheray]

I know there's nothing funny about it. It's a very nice walk.

[John Haidt]

Trust me. Kenny as the news guy. It's hopeless.

[Kenny Olson]

So yeah.

[Josh Arnold]

Oh, I'm sorry we're so highbrow on this show.

[Rookie]

The highlight of the, of the walk was when they were all done. They get to D.C. they walk up to the pizza joint.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, we're back to this.

[Rookie]

And what do they, what do they order?

[Chris Reivers]

One with everything.

[Rookie]

Can you make me one with everything?

[John Haidt]

Calm down for moose soup after.

[Kenny Olson]

Unbelievable.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's just hopeless.

[Chris Reivers]

We were harnessed for What? The first 23 minutes of the show.

[Rookie]

During the entire monk walk.

[Kenny Olson]

Let me apologize to my two sister in Laws. I'm sorry for.

[Rookie]

I am proud of them for making the trek.

[John Haidt]

Yeah. Final numbers are in on the Super Bowl.

[Chris Reivers]

There we go.

[Joe Soucheray]

This is your last news.

[Chris Reivers]

You know what? I bet it was down a bit.

[Rookie]

No, it was recording.

[John Haidt]

No, it wasn't. A record just fell. Just short of setting records. One. Let's see. It averaged 124.9. That would make it the fifth highest ever rated, just short of last year's. But it is the most watched program in NBC history. The halftime show averaged 128.2 million viewers. That would make it the fourth WA. Fourth most watched halftime in history. Of those halftime shows, the audience peaked at 137.8 million viewers during the second quarter. That is a record that surpassed the previous mark of 137.7 million during the second quarter of last year's Super Bowl. The Turning Point USA halftime show peaked at 5 million at one point on YouTube. The Puppy Bowl.

[Rookie]

Yeah.

[John Haidt]

15.3 million viewers.

[Joe Soucheray]

Serious question. Question.

[Rookie]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

If Fox had the super bowl, would they have featured the Turning Point halftime show? Would they have cut away from the game?

[Chris Reivers]

No, they would not have.

[Joe Soucheray]

No.

[John Haidt]

No way.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, you act like you know the answer.

[Chris Reivers]

Because. Because when you. When you are contractually obligated to carry the game, you were also contractually obligated to carry the halftime show. Okay, Mr. Lawyer, the only reason I said it would have been doubt.

[Joe Soucheray]

What?

[Rookie]

What did you ask?

[Chris Reivers]

Jesus God Almighty.

[Joe Soucheray]

If Fox had the super bowl, which they have frequently.

[Chris Reivers]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Would they have cut away from the halftime show and shown you the officially approved Donald Trump.

[Kenny Olson]

What is the point? Oh, there it is, right there. That's the point of the question.

[Chris Reivers]

The only reason I suspected it might have been down is because NBC is in a contract dispute with a couple of different carriers, including Fubo.

[Joe Soucheray]

I didn't know you were this font of information about the television situation.

[Rookie]

Sorry. Do you think having the super bowl hurt them with the Olympics or was irrelevant?

[Chris Reivers]

Oh, hell no.

[Joe Soucheray]

Hell, no.

[Chris Reivers]

They're shattering everything right now.

[Rookie]

And the other last super bowl question. Do you agree with the super bowl mvp? Shouldn't it have gone to the kicker that broke a record?

[Joe Soucheray]

No, no.

[John Haidt]

It should have gone to the running back.

[Kenny Olson]

I have a Super bowl question. Who is playing?

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, I. That's funny. I have a dress. I want to say something about the Olympics. Oh, I stand. Not for me.

[Rookie]

Oh, I liked it.

[Joe Soucheray]

I know you would. Yeah.

[Rookie]

That married couple that got the silver.

[John Haidt]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

And they got gyps.

[Rookie]

They got.

[Joe Soucheray]

They got Joe.

[Kenny Olson]

It's the only Sport that I find it delightful. When they crash.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes. When they get thrown into the stands.

[Kenny Olson]

All the other sports, I actually cheer for all the countries. I want to see them all do good. But the ice, boy, when they wad it up. God, that is just delightful.

[Joe Soucheray]

Terrible controversy between the gold medal and.

[Rookie]

They had a glitch. The French had a glitch.

[Joe Soucheray]

The guy fell down. He practically resurfaced the ice with his face.

[Chris Reivers]

Did you. John mentioned it. Did you happen to catch the two teams that were playing in the Puppy Bowl?

[Joe Soucheray]

No, I didn't, Chris.

[Chris Reivers]

It was a team Fluff versus Team Ruff.

[Dan Strand]

Woof.

[Kenny Olson]

Whoa.

[Rookie]

Was there a lingerie bowl this year?

[Chris Reivers]

Not joking. Those are the two teams.

[Joe Soucheray]

Matt. That's. That's. To my knowledge, that's never been part of the Super Bowl.

[Rookie]

No, no, but I mean, as a competitor, I thought they had one.

[Joe Soucheray]

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Well, why don't I tell you about this?

[Rookie]

Yeah.

[Chris Reivers]

No, you should not.

[John Haidt]

Why not?

[Chris Reivers]

Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. You should tell us about the golf show. Confused, John sounds like he had one more thing to say, though.

[John Haidt]

No, I'm fine.

[Rookie]

And we all think we can do this show from different locations.

[Joe Soucheray]

We can't even do it here. Tomorrow we'll be at the golf show noonish. That's when we usually start. That's the 2026 North American banking company, Minnesota Golf Show.

[Chris Reivers]

What's the percent chance we'll start right at noon?

[Joe Soucheray]

Is noonish?

[Rookie]

You said noonish.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's tomorrow through Sunday at the Minneapolis Convention Center. Got that hundred grand long putt. You can test the latest equipment, get some tips from the pros, get great deals on golf apparel. Carol, it's pebble beach weekend. That starts today at Pebble Beach. That'll be on the big TV in the 19th hole lounge. Each ticket purchased comes with access to 15 free greens fee passes. That's quite an incentive. John Randall, the former Viking and Pro Football hall of Famer, will be there to purchase tickets. We'll see you tomorrow. To purchase tickets, visit mngolf show one word. Mngolfshow.com.

[Kenny Olson]

Positive Thursday is brought to us by Schoonover Body Works and Auto Care. They're located right there in Shoreview, where they've been for a long time. 1060 County Road E. Mike Schoonover is here. Mike is a fool to do our dirty work. Oh, yeah? Hang with me, Mike. Times are tough and it's tough to pay the bill, Mike. And a lot of us don't have a lot of money. But we're looking at a car that needs repair. And sometimes, and I know I've done this in the past, where I've just taken the check from the insurance company and gone on with my life. Is there a good, better, bad, best repair situation that you guys could work out with a customer?

[Mike Schoonover]

Great question, Kenny. And leave the singing to Dylan.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[Mike Schoonover]

Let's just let him stick to the music there. Hey, you know, back, what, 0708, when we had the housing crisis and the economy kind of tanked.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Mike Schoonover]

We came up with the good, better, best repair scenario for our customers because just like now, back then, times were tough and, and money was hard to come by. Still have fender benders. They still bump into things. People bump into them. They need bodywork, they need things fixed. But, you know, we can fix things perfect as always. We can, we can do that. We can do, you know, make absolutely perfect repairs. But for those that don't want to or spend the money or, or have the time to do that, we can come up with the good, better, best scenario where maybe we just need to touch something up and buffet, or maybe we need to do some, some, you know, quick rough out bodywork or just replace a headlight and, you know, patch up a bumper or whatever. Whatever the customer wants we can do and whatever is going to save them money. You know, the other piece now, Kenny, which is different from back then, is we're seeing more people carrying $5,000 deductibles on their collision repair.

[Kenny Olson]

It's a lot of money in my world, which is just crazy.

[Joe Soucheray]

So.

[Mike Schoonover]

And it is a lot of money. And you're not planning on a fender bender. Nobody ever plans on that. So we've had the good, better, best for many, many years, and it's worked out really well for a lot of people. So we just want to remind folks that you don't have to sit there and worry about having bodywork or having damage on your vehicle and think that it's gotta be, you know, 5 or 10 or $15,000 of fix. We can come up with something that is gonna be safe and get you through through it.

[Kenny Olson]

The one thing I would stress, strongly stress though, to drivers and customers, make sure it's safe. Duct tape and zip ties aren't gonna. Aren't gonna be safe. So make sure you get that thing repaired in a safe manner. I bet you would concur, would you not?

[Josh Arnold]

Absolutely.

[Mike Schoonover]

Yeah, Kenny. I mean, we're. There's times that we do NASCAR body repair, but, you know.

[Kenny Olson]

Do you have those big Giant sheets of duct tape.

[Mike Schoonover]

We have all kinds of fasteners and I'll use that term loosely but you know, that kind of stuff, we do not charge customers for that kind of stuff. If they come by here and they got a bumper hanging down and they needed, if they need it fast and just to get them, you know, get them by so it doesn't get ripped off, they should just stop by, give us a few minutes to do some things, make sure that it's all going to be safe and we'll get it, we'll get it back up there for them.

[Joe Soucheray]

But right there.

[Mike Schoonover]

Yeah, don't worry, don't worry. If, if you need some body work and you don't want to fix it, perfect and you don't have the time or the money to do so, we can, we can talk about options for you.

[Kenny Olson]

That is why you guys are the official shop of GL. That's a tenant, a main tenant of GL right there. You guys have been around since 38. That as in 1938. The official shop of GL and the top shop in the metro if you ask us the website schoonoverbodyworks.com thank you very much, Mike.

[Mike Schoonover]

Thanks Kenny. Thanks jailers everybody. Have a positive Thursday and usa.

[Rookie]

I like to capture.

[Kenny Olson]

Hands behind his head.

[Joe Soucheray]

You'll learn more here by accident than elsewhere by design. Here's Joe Sugere. You ready?

[Rookie]

Yep.

[Joe Soucheray]

Electric vehicles have delivered no proven carbon savings in the uk, scientists have said in a new study, described as a sanity check for Britain's net zero ambitions. Researchers from Queen Mary University say that the push towards EVs is fundamentally misguided. This is a ray of hope, isn't it? Because the UK's electricity grid has not switched to renewable energy sources, EVs running run almost entirely on fossil fuel burnt at power stations, according to their research team. Are you kidding me? I'm not kidding, which is why I'm doing the story.

[Kenny Olson]

That's fantastic.

[Joe Soucheray]

As a result, the experts. As a result, the experts claim the most eco friendly option is actually a hybrid or an efficient diesel car. In their new paper, accepted for publication in the journal Environmental Research, the scientists compared the UK's 2030 net zero plan with real world data from 2023. They found that the variability of wind and solar has been grossly underestimated in the government plans. On overcast or windless days there are significant gaps in the energy supply. That means the gas fired power stations have to provide, provide the power.

[Kenny Olson]

Remember when the fellas before the Grand Tour, they were on Top Gear and they had to have. They had to have generators run on gas to power their solar vehicles that they made. Oh, it was fantastic.

[Joe Soucheray]

This is. This is wonderful. The printer failed me in.

[Dan Strand]

Great.

[Joe Soucheray]

Of course it did.

[Rookie]

How could they make that decision?

[Joe Soucheray]

You can go look at it for yourself.

[John Haidt]

It's.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's a true story. Even though it was in the Daily.

[Rookie]

Mail, I believed that before the story was even done.

[Joe Soucheray]

And another note on our friend, you'll remember him. David Gilertner.

[Rookie]

Yeah. Delaying life, Surviving the Unabomber Delay.

[Joe Soucheray]

David Giler, still a Yale professor in computer science. What Was it about 1994 or 1993? He opened a letter from Ted Kaczynski and it blew up. He was a victim of the. It was June 24, 1993, and when he tore the envelope open, he was greeted by smoke, a hiss and a flash. He ran out of the building. All his hands were. Were stumps of bone sticking out. And he thought bombs were going off all over campus. And the reason I'm bringing up is he's now being questioned, apparently by his university, Yale, because he recommended to Epstein a student who was seeking a job. And it was just. There's no other evidence to suspect he was up to. He was up to nothing but that.

[Rookie]

He was not up to anything.

[Joe Soucheray]

And he's catching a lot of grief for that. So his name is showing up in the Epstein files released January 30th by the Department of Justice, specifically in emails from 09 to 2015. And he. This was on the Yale Daily News, other sites, some of Galertner's letters to and from Epstein exchanged years after Epstein pleaded guilty to procuring a child for prostitution. Discussed meetings, a visit to Yale architecture, business opportunities and art shows. And I read the whole thing. I can find no suggestions that Glertner was up to no good.

[Rookie]

After it was revealed in 2026 that Glitter had a six year correspondence with Epstein from 09 to 15. He was relieved of his teaching.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, they took his teaching away.

[Rookie]

What? I don't. I don't believe he had anything to do with Denny.

[Joe Soucheray]

He noted that he didn't know at the time that Epstein was a freak.

[Rookie]

Right. David?

[Joe Soucheray]

He said, said fondness for little girls is a perversion. No one would ever introduce that in normal conversation. He said. So anyway, he's. He's a. He's a tenured guy, though, so he'll still get his.

[Rookie]

Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

He'll still get his money.

[Rookie]

Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

We had him on because he wrote a book called what Rook you Remember.

[Rookie]

That Drawing Life Surviving the Universe.

[Joe Soucheray]

Boy, that was back in about 94 or 95. And we had him as a guest. And we had him as a guest because we might have been just beginning to catch on to the notion of the failed academy. And yet he. And he was more than willing to admit that he was down the road to becoming ingrained in the failed academy, that his life tends to be isolated inside the academy enemy. And this shook him up and brought him back to reality.

[Rookie]

Drawing Life survived the unaBomber. Simon in Schuster 9797.

[Joe Soucheray]

Only because they come to us. Now get this.

[Kenny Olson]

Hold on. Before you do that, just let me flog Crabby Coffee Shop one more time this week.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah. You're on the news last night, Joe.

[Kenny Olson]

We had a wonderful interview with DFL sensitive senator Heather Gustafson and we were talking about the office of the Inspector General and fraud and. And the VCA and it was just a. We learned a lot and it was a lot of fun and really interesting. And Gabe, who is our second guest, we've had him on before. David.

[David Finewalk]

David Finewalk.

[Kenny Olson]

Fine walk. And David is a quote machine. There's nothing he won't say and he had some really interesting things and to talk about with the fraud. It was just a really, really good interview and it was exclusive. It was our interview. Jay set it up. Jay had meeting notes from a meeting.

[Joe Soucheray]

And I was acknowledged by the television, wasn't it?

[Kenny Olson]

Well, they.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah. I saw you guys on the news. I was pretty excited.

[Rookie]

I saw Game makers to be debut.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah. Anyway, it all came from Jay Coles and Kenny Olson.

[Rookie]

Under the umbrella of Garage.

[Joe Soucheray]

That show is posted.

[John Haidt]

It's up.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Only because they come to us now. The Lymans are on the move.

[Rookie]

Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

They're in Penguin Tasmania, Australia. Isn't that something?

[Rookie]

Look out for those Tasmania.

[Joe Soucheray]

Follow them. You can follow them@worldwide waftage.com and it's only because they come to us from these travel. It was on this day, Joe.

[Chris Reivers]

Today is February 12th.

[Joe Soucheray]

In 1895, Minnesota became the first state to declare Abraham Lincoln's birthday a legal holiday. It was on this day, February 12th in 1939. Wow. More than 3,000 people, two thirds of them children, escaped death or serious injury when they rushed out of the amphitheater in Duluth seconds before the steel and wood roof of the expansive sports arena collapsed under the weight of snow during an intermission in the annual Duluth Police Department in Virginia Minnesota fire department hockey game. The swift evacuation was credited to the fact that many spectators were in the front lobby at the time, probably to have a heater, as well as to the presence of most of the city's police officers and the calmness of organist Leland McEwen, who remained at his post. Just like the guy on the Titanic who remained at his post playing soothing music until his last moment.

[Dan Strand]

Wow.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wow. Not that dedicated on this day. Wait a minute.

[Kenny Olson]

He died. He was crushed.

[Joe Soucheray]

Doesn't say that. Maybe John could find that out.

[John Haidt]

I will look. You did say until his last moment, so it sounded like it does.

[Joe Soucheray]

It does.

[Chris Reivers]

Like you draw a conclusion.

[Rookie]

Like he ran over to fingers and.

[Joe Soucheray]

Had a couple of pints. It was on this day, February. Returning to Duluth fame, restaurateur Kim Jo Huey died in Duluth. Born in Guangdong province, China, in 1892, Huey first came to the city in 1909 and made it his American home while returning to the land of his birth for extended stays until the communist government established control there in the late 1940s. In 1951, he opened Joe Huey's Cafe on Lake Avenue in Duluth, which for 22 years served authentic Asian food in a companionable atmosphere.

[Rookie]

Love that bite.

[Joe Soucheray]

Anything. John Leland McEwen, Oregon. On this day, February 12th in the year 2000, cartoonist Charles M. Schultz died in California. That summer, in St. Paul, his childhood home, 101 individually decorated five foot tall statues of Snoopy were displayed in a celebration of Schultz's life. Later in the year, two auctions of Snoopy statues, including some from the celebration and some made especially for the auction, were held with the announcement. The money raised will be used as a memorial to create a bronze sculpture of Schultz characters for Downtown St. Paul as well as to benefit the College of visual arts in St. Paul and provide scholarships at the art instruction schools. Minneapolis based correspondence school where Schulz studied and taught Snoopy. Statues not placed for auction, it was announced, were returned to the local business and organizations that originally sponsored them.

[Rookie]

Some of the coolest stuff that one of my fellow classmates, Dan o', Gara, has are original paintings that Schulz gave to Tim and Jim o' Gara of Snoopy writing that would be very worth having.

[Kenny Olson]

He turned mental illness and depression into millions, didn't he?

[Joe Soucheray]

He really did.

[Rookie]

I wish I could do that.

[Joe Soucheray]

On this day in sports disappointment history.

[Chris Reivers]

Who'd we lose to on.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, on February 12, 1977? See, I'm detecting a pattern here. The Vikings lost to the Reds in the ABC Super Team competition. Didn't we have one yesterday where the Vikings lost to somebody?

[Rookie]

I think we did, but you know that it's not going to be any super bowl news because the super bowl is not played this late in the 70s in 1977.

[Joe Soucheray]

However. However, the Vikings did lose a Super bowl weeks prior to this.

[Rookie]

Oakland.

[Joe Soucheray]

It was in the. It was in the Rose bowl and they lost to Oakland.

[Rookie]

You were there.

[Joe Soucheray]

The Vikings have never scored a point in the first half of the four Super Bowls they played in.

[Rookie]

That changes next year, my friend.

[Joe Soucheray]

Does it?

[Kenny Olson]

I was told by a former Viking player that that game was thrown on purpose. Really?

[John Haidt]

Yep.

[Joe Soucheray]

He doesn't know what he's Randall.

[Rookie]

We'll find out from John Randall tomorrow.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, you know what?

[Rookie]

In 98 re.

[Joe Soucheray]

What's his name? Olson. He doesn't know that.

[Kenny Olson]

Kenny.

[Rookie]

He was on the 98 team, right?

[Kenny Olson]

That's Kenny.

[Joe Soucheray]

AI Kenny.

[Rookie]

Is that bad juju to bring up 98? If you were on that.

[Joe Soucheray]

Thank you. G. Ellers.

[Chris Reivers]

Hi, how are you? You should do the Garage Logic podcast a favor and hit subscribe on the YouTube YouTube channel where you can fake smoke and watch Garage Logic each and every single day, starting right around noon.

[Rookie]

Fake smoke.

[Josh Arnold]

Celery. No, look at me.

[Chris Reivers]

Put it out.

[Dan Strand]

Look at.

[John Haidt]

McEwen was not killed.

[Joe Soucheray]

He was not killed. The organist didn't lose.

[John Haidt]

No, he kept playing after it crashed down, just to keep people calm.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wow, what a guy.

[Rookie]

Totaling up to charge. Yeah. What is the. The walls are crashing down music. What do you play when the walls come tumbling down?

[Chris Reivers]

It is time once again that we check in with our guy, Mr. Money Talk. Josh Arnold is with us once again right here in Garage Logic. And now is the time for you to do the same. So do not delay, do exactly what I did and pick up that phone and dial 952-925-5608. That number once again is 9255608. When you call that number, you're going to get Josh and he is there for you for that. Free. Yes, I use the word free. 48 minute financial consultation again with zero obligation. And he will always give you the straight talk. He will never give you the sugar coated advice. And boy, oh boy, he is on the line with us once again right here in garagelogic. And boy, Josh, today, it was a brutal day, wasn't it?

[Josh Arnold]

It is brutal. It is brutal. And that's one of the reasons that I have recommended to my client keep up to 30% in cash, the balance invested in companies more geared to growth than to what's considered value. Of course, you're always looking for value when investing, but we'll say trying to get faster growing assets at lower prices and we've been having lower prices and a lot of growth names over the course of the last month as the NASDAQ is now down four weeks in a row row software stock whether it's Microsoft ServiceNow, Oracle Favorite Palantir, ServiceNow Soft, Salesforce.com and Adobe and others, they're in a bear market. The exchange traded fund that covers them IGV is in a bear bear market down 24% on worries that artificial intelligence is going to replace all the all of these companies I don't think so. Yesterday we saw the fear about artificial intelligence replacing Charles Schwab, Robin Hood, Linsko Private Ledger and Morgan Stanley. I don't think artificial intelligence is going to replace their therefore today worry that artificial intelligence is going to replace expediters the shipping expediters that arrange shipping and the movement of good whether it be local CH Robinson or Expediters International or rxo. I don't think that's the case but the response is son number two Judd Arnold provides research to hedge funds and family offices Wrote an article this morning that the markets are bonding right now in a Pavlovian way. Sell first ask questions later Favorite Palantir is down after reporting phenomenal earnings last week increasing their guidance going forward and yes it's an expensive stock as we've said on a price to earnings and price to sales basis and analysts are trying to nitpick and say oh this one number isn't growing as fast. Okay it may not be growing as fast but they're still getting more customers and the customers that they have are increasing their spending Nonetheless came out that a short seller might Michael Berry coming out with a report attacking Palantir sell first ask questions later Favorite app got knocked down today on a report not confirmed but it's just a report that their new software update due in March theory going to be delayed a month. Okay it's delayed a month. That's not going to change the trajectory of the of the company. Now there's all also report out that president is looking into Apple or Apple News saying that their news feed not include conservative voices. Again that to me is more of an eye roll than anything else. Okay so there's some negative app I go through some of the names go name by name on winning companies in the last several years they're in primarily in the Internet base primarily primarily around artificial intelligence and now around artificial intelligence. Fear is that these companies are going are spending so much money that they may not get a return on investment right now the tremendous demand for more compute. Tremendous demand. Amazon Web Services CEO has said tremendous demand for their product services. I would just say hang in buck, buckle up, look or take advantage of these pullbacks with the cash that you have. We'll say this too will pay. In the meantime, companies reporting better than expected earnings and even upping their guide sell off again. Call it illogical, but it's there. You can take advantage of that.

[Chris Reivers]

Excellent advice.

[Josh Arnold]

There you have it.

[Chris Reivers]

Excellent advice as always, Mr. Money Talk. You heard him G ers. Now is the time for you to pick up the phone and make the call for that 48 minute financial consultation again with zero obligation. And you do that just like I did by dialing 952-925-5608 where you always get straight talk and never ever sugarcoated advice. Josh, as always, thank you so much for the time and the chat. Enjoy the rest of your day. We'll talk to you again tomorrow.

[Josh Arnold]

Look forward to it.

[Chris Reivers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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