3/12 Was the food fraud intended to be a fraud from the onset?

Summary

Garage Logic – Episode Summary
March 12, 2026 | "Was the food fraud intended to be a fraud from the onset?" Podcast Host: Joe Soucheray ("The Mayor")
Panel: Chris Reivers, Kenny Olson, John Height, Rookie (Mike), and occasional contributors
Presented by the Gamut Podcast Network

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Episode Overview
The central theme of this episode is a probing, often wry, collective investigation into Minnesota’s "Feeding Our Future" food fraud scandal. The hosts debate whether the massive fraud was an opportunistic byproduct of lax oversight or if it was an organized scheme with intentional fraud at its inception. This episode also weaves in broader questions about federal grant programs, bureaucratic dysfunction, and a culture susceptible to fraud on many levels—from state government to local real estate, moving seamlessly between serious critique and the signature Garage Logic banter.

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I. The Medina Mansion: A Real Estate Angle on Food Fraud

Timestamps: 03:39–08:00

• Joe Soucheray highlights a mansion in Medina, MN, bought by convicted Feeding Our Future fraudster Hannah Marroquin for $1.2 million in 2021 (now for sale at $2.1 million).
• Discussion about the likelihood Marroquin paid in cash, and whether the real estate agent held any obligation to vet the source of funds or report suspicious transactions.
  • Notable Exchange:
    • Joe (06:13): “Here's my question, and it's probably naive. The real estate agent had apparently no obligation to alert anybody, right?”
    • John: “There's no obligation.”
• The mansion, now forfeited and owned by others, becomes a springboard to joke about making personal financial miscalculations (like Joe’s infamous mulch order).

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II. Rethinking Fraud: Was It Planned from the Start?

Timestamps: 08:50–14:35

• Joe reads and discusses a listener email recounting a 1960s federal grant fraud story in Arizona, prompting parallels to Feeding Our Future.
• A pivotal segment:
  • Joe challenges the long-held panel assumption that the scandal’s fraud was “organic”—i.e., accidental or opportunistic—and explores the possibility that it was organized and intentional from the outset.
    • Joe (14:27): “It does make sense to me that this was started with fraud in mind… Which would corroborate our suspicion that higher-ups had to be involved. That’s a game changer in securing the money in the first place.”
  • The listener suggests citizen oversight of federal grants, with Joe expressing his skepticism over practicality but recognizing the point.

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III. Piecing Together Motivations and Players

Timestamps: 14:35–19:56

• Deep dive into Amy Bock (Bach), the Feeding Our Future ringleader’s background, speculating on her knowledge of grant systems based on her professional history.
  • Kenny: Reads from Bach’s CV, suggesting her work with childcare accreditation would have taught her about grant applications.
• Joe imagines investigators making a “Godfather offer” for Bock’s full testimony and witness protection if she’ll reveal who the real architects of the fraud were.
• Panel consensus shifts toward belief in a premeditated, multi-layered scheme, possibly involving both elected officials and long-standing bureaucrats.

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IV. The Pandemic/COVID Context: Opportunity or Excuse?

Timestamps: 18:55–22:00

• Relaxation of rules under the USDA during the pandemic is discussed:
  • Kenny: “The USDA relaxed the rules… Then they allowed for these, what they called grab and go meals. Well, but there was no food.”
  • Joe: “There was no reason to speed up anything because of… COVID. There was no evidence or indication that because COVID set in, children were suddenly hungry… The money never went to feed hungry children.”
• Conclusion: The pandemic acted as cover for quick—and unchecked—fund transfers, making it easier for organized fraudsters.

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V. Government Inertia, Promotions, and Complicity

Timestamps: 22:07–24:42

• Discussion of a Department of Human Services (DHS) whistleblower (Faye Bernstein) who was demoted for raising flags about the fraud, while her superiors were promoted.
  • Joe: “They didn’t want to rock the boat… Or two, they're all involved in it…”
• Tension between “compassion”/public spin (“feed the kids”) and bureaucratic apathy or active collusion.
  • Joe: “You know, you’re not neighborly. Golly, you’re thieves.”

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VI. Higher-ups, Hesitancy, & The Impenetrable System

Timestamps: 23:19–32:11

• Debate about why state leadership (Governor Walz and AG Ellison) were slow to act.
  • John: “They didn’t want to rock the boat with something that would harm their constituency and take away votes…”
  • Kenny: “They [supervisors] got legitimate pay raises… They didn’t get any money under the table. But higher-ups did, if this scenario is… correct.”
• The possibility is raised of institutional fraud being so entrenched as to be nearly impossible to police or even notice, except through whistleblowers (who get punished).
• The apathy or inability to reform ("apathetic electorate") is highlighted as a key challenge.
  • Joe (26:31): “Compounding the difficulty in rectifying it is a completely apathetic electorate. We just keep going on with our lives…”

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VII. The Fraud “Train” and the Ongoing Cycle

Timestamps: 26:17–29:53

• Introducing the "fraud alarm" (train whistle), symbolizing how normalized revelations of corruption have become.
• Panel discusses ongoing fraud—journalist Kenny and an investigative partner are currently researching new active scams.
  • Kenny (28:17): “We have at least one instance where Coles and I have discovered fraud that’s happening as we speak…”
• Joe speculates on the pressures or threats the governor may face for “rocking the boat”, only briefly granting him the benefit of the doubt.
  • Joe (29:53): “Let’s… cut [Walz] some slack… Maybe he was told by figures of more importance that… just let this thing go, Tim.”

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VIII. Broader Reflections on Systemic Fraud

Timestamps: 29:59–33:49

• Speculation extends to federal level: schemes repeat across grants for autism, daycare, transportation, housing, and even nationally.
  • Joe: “Maybe the whole country is founded on fraud.”
• The complexity, size, and lack of real oversight facilitate fraud, whether intentional or due to sheer bureaucratic inertia.
• Eye-opening stat: Autism-related fraud in Minnesota jumped from $1 million to $343 million in six years.

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IX. Lighter Fare: Fraud in Dalton, Illinois; “Crazy Line” Humor

Timestamps: 36:08–39:36

• A brief segue to another government fraud: Tiffany Howard, ex-mayor of Dalton, Illinois, who absconded after extensive misuse of public funds—and is now running as a Republican in Georgia.
  • Group finds comic relief in Howard running from the law and switching parties—“The FBI is basically her roommate.”

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X. Closing Musings: Civic Disengagement, Conspiracies, and Cynicism

Timestamps: 43:28–46:38 & Scattered Throughout

• Regular jibes about government ineptitude and public disengagement.
• Sarcastic references to "conspiracy" and “tinfoil hat” thinking, but an underlying seriousness about real systemic problems.
  • Chris (31:46): “I think everybody's in on it… the only reason that this governor is pretending to care… is because… if it gets back to him, he's in serious, serious trouble.”
• Joe (27:43): “This was designed to be a fraud. Fraud just didn't happen because suddenly there was a lot of money… That was the whole game in the first place.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I'm trying to give fraud a break, but I have a whole new alert we need to sound.” – Joe Soucheray (08:51)
• “We've always assumed the fraud kind of just happened. No. What if it was started intentionally with fraud in mind?” – Joe Soucheray (12:27)
• “That's a game changer in securing the money in the first place. Huh? Well, goodness. Just...I don't want you to even talk right now.” – Joe (14:35)
• “They didn't want to rock the boat...Or, they're all involved in it, and that's true.” – Joe Soucheray (22:58)
• “Compounding the difficulty in rectifying it is a completely apathetic electorate. We just keep going on with our lives...” – Joe (26:31)
• “I guess that's why I always question how did everybody associated with this have such access to all this information almost instantly?” – Chris Reivers (27:43)
• “Maybe the whole country is founded on fraud.” – Joe Soucheray (22:01)

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Additional Segments (Briefly Covered)

• CBS investigation into “hospice fraud” in LA (32:11–57:56) as a mirror of similar issues in MN.
• Tangents on car thefts, local crime, movie theater attendance, and oddball headlines (Bigfoot sightings in Cleveland, 72:13+), preserving the show's trademark mix of serious and comedic.
• Several ad reads and sponsor shoutouts (skipped here as per instructions).

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Conclusions & Takeaways

• The hosts' perspective on Feeding Our Future (and similar grant frauds) evolves in real time: what once seemed like a case of opportunistic grifting is now viewed as a carefully orchestrated heist, enabled by a system rife with “compassionate” cover stories, bureaucratic opacity, and institutional indifference.
• The episode’s tone is a blend of resigned cynicism and spirited humor, punctuated by moments of genuine outrage at government mismanagement and public apathy.
• Calls for better oversight are tempered by skepticism that reform is possible in a system where so many benefit—or avoid consequences—at every level.
• The listener finishes the show with the sense that, as Joe puts it, “my eyes have been opened”—and that the question, “Was the fraud intended to be a fraud from the onset?” deserves a grimly affirmative answer.

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For listeners seeking a deep dive into the Feeding Our Future scandal—and how it epitomizes broader government dysfunction—this episode is both illuminating and darkly entertaining.

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[Joe Sucere]

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[Chris Reivers]

That's what we're good at.

[Joe Sucere]

Hail the Flashlight King. Hail you. Joe, if you were King in charge of public works purchasing bulk material like salt and sand based on your experience with mulch, come December, St. Paul would be begging Maplewood, Invergrove Heights and Roseville to come over with a pickup trucks and shovel out as much as they want. Good luck, Jesse V. Wow. Remember I Ordered too much mulch.

[John Fluorescent]

I remember. You ordered it for the state, not for the.

[Chris Reivers]

Wasn't it. You thought you were ordering the number of pounds. I don't know why, but you ordered the square footage.

[Joe Sucere]

I mean. No, I got cubic yards.

[Chris Reivers]

That's what it was.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, and I made a big mistake

[Chris Reivers]

because you're bad at ma.

[Joe Sucere]

And I've owned up to it.

[Chris Reivers]

I think he had to put the Acme sign. Come get it.

[John Fluorescent]

Yep.

[Joe Sucere]

And I gave away a lot of money.

[John Fluorescent]

Free bird seed.

[Chris Reivers]

Right.

[Joe Sucere]

Today there's a story in Alpha about a mansion for sale in Medina, which is beautiful suburban western territory out there, kind of horse farms and what?

[Chris Reivers]

Have you ever been to the Medina Ballroom for a show?

[Joe Sucere]

Not for a show, but I know where it is. Yeah, well, the property is on more than two acres. It has five bedrooms, seven bathrooms, floor to ceiling marble. It looks like Trump decorated because it's full of gold and weird looking stuff, Danny Hecker style. Yeah, it's just, you know, live statue, a big statue of Elvis, the whole thing. I don't know if that's even right. But it's owned by the former feeding our future fraudster, Hannah Marroquine.

[Chris Reivers]

Come on.

[Joe Sucere]

Who got 7 million bucks from the federal child nutrition program. And she was convicted. She bought the home in 2021 for a million $260. When you see a picture, but that seems cheap. This thing is massive.

[Chris Reivers]

So wait, the listing price is 2.1. She bought it for 1.2, probably paying cash.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, no, it's currently for sale for 2.1.

[Chris Reivers]

Well, that's my point.

[Joe Sucere]

Can I finish this without you and telling me how it works? It's currently for sale for 2.1. In 2021, she bought it for 1.2. You know, always a fraudster, you know, get your money back.

[John Fluorescent]

Right.

[Joe Sucere]

There is no mortgage with the property, which to corroborate your point, suggests that she did in fact show up with a grocery bag full of cash and just buy the damn thing.

[Kenny Olson]

When you do that, don't you have to show where the cash came from?

[Joe Sucere]

Yes, well, that's not where I was going, but you're probably right. She forfeited the home as part of her plea agreement. And the home is not currently for sale by her. She forfeited her ownership. Property records show the home is now in the hands of new owners, current owners, and it's in the Tuckborough Farms community. Five bedrooms, seven baths, high end furnishings. Well, if you like that style, I guess I'm ripping. The current owners aren't I? Unless the photos were taken under the her ownership. But here's my question.

[John Fluorescent]

I pulled it up here on Zillow. It looks really nice.

[Kenny Olson]

It's probably staged.

[Joe Sucere]

Here's my question, and it's probably naive. The real estate agent had apparently no obligation to alert anybody. Right? In other words, the real estate agent's thinking, man, I'm going to make a quick hundred grand here. At least I'm not calling anybody to say that this girl showed up with a bag full of cash.

[John Fluorescent]

There's no obligation.

[Joe Sucere]

I guess there's no obligation. That's where I was going with it.

[Kenny Olson]

I don't understand what you mean.

[John Fluorescent]

An obligation to say this was purchased with fraud money?

[Joe Sucere]

No, not even that. Because the real estate agent in walks. What the hell's her name? Hannah Marroquin. And she's got a bag of 1.2 million. The real estate agency, the real estate agent probably thought this is my lucky day. In other words, she had no. Did she have any obligation to say, to say to this woman, where in the hell did you get a bag with 1.2 million? And I guess it wouldn't be any of her business, right?

[John Fluorescent]

No, she's looking at the end result. Like you said. I got a quick 115k here.

[Kenny Olson]

I don't. I assume when people say they pay cash, they actually wrote a check.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, whatever. So she's. So Hannah sits down at the gold inlaid kitchen table with the real estate agent and says here, I'll write you a check right now. How much? 1.2. Okay, here's the check.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, many, many real estate deals go down exactly like that. But I think you have to prove. But to who, who do you prove it to? Where the cash came from.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, whatever. Anyway, it's for sale.

[Kenny Olson]

We need a realtor on the phone right now.

[Joe Sucere]

It's got your 18 foot ceilings, it's got a statement chandelier, floor to ceiling marble, gold doors. Now we don't know. Do you think Hannah did all that to it?

[Chris Reivers]

Maybe.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, I mean she had money to burn. This is one of the seven mil from the food fraud.

[Chris Reivers]

This is one of those topics, Ken, as you just mentioned that I love when we bring up and not one of us five has any idea and there people screaming at their devices call my dad. Oh, that's true.

[Kenny Olson]

But he's in Maui and it's probably

[Joe Sucere]

six in the morning.

[Chris Reivers]

Guys you know are playing golf.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, okay.

[Chris Reivers]

Kenny's dad is in Maui.

[Joe Sucere]

I, I didn't want to.

[Kenny Olson]

He doesn't want to hear from gm.

[Chris Reivers]

I. I'm.

[Joe Sucere]

I'm trying to give fraud a break, but I have a whole new alert we need to sound. Oh wow.

[Chris Reivers]

Now what?

[Joe Sucere]

No, I got a letter today from a guy in Arizona and it got me thinking. He says, good morning, Hail.

[Chris Reivers]

You start.

[Joe Sucere]

I have long been a fan of your letters to the public. I am responding to your Sunday piece, We will never. He's writing about a column I wrote, but it has to do with the show too. I wrote a piece Sunday. Will we ever get to the bottom of fraud? A very important question. He write and I think I have a historical fraud story from my father back in the 60s from Casa Grande, Arizona might help. My father was a local citizen helping a Job Corps type federal grant project. They were building housing for trainees and their families to live in while they were in the training program. Well, construction was finished, but the auditor fell through the floor of one of the new houses. My dad's citizen committee said, we're not paying the contractor. This is fraud. Then my father got a phone call one night from a Dallas orthopedic surgeon threatening my father if his committee did not approve paying the contractor. Of course, the committee continued to refuse payment. And then a national federal auditor came to inspect the construction site. The auditor also told my father, oh, this fraud is common in federal grants. Of course, I would never forget such a bit of history like that. And when feeding our future fraud was exposed, my dad's story popped up in my head immediately. Here's the point that's certainly worth thinking about. And let me preface his continuing email by saying this.

[John Height]

We've always.

[Joe Sucere]

Maybe I'm speaking for you and I shouldn't be. If I'm wrong, correct me because I'm going to continue to say we've. We've always operated with the belief that the fraud was kind of organic in nature and it just grew. The more the fraudsters realized how easy it was for them to bill money and get the money for food. Am I on the right track?

[John Fluorescent]

Yes.

[Joe Sucere]

We just assumed that. Holy mackerel, look at this. Let's whip up another. Hell, we'll even take it up to that town that has the fishing bobber and we'll. It just happened. It just kept rolling and rolling and rolling. Well, maybe, maybe there's another way to look at it. Now I'll continue. This guy's E letter. E letter. E letter, email. Here's my point. He writes, number one, Amy Box feeding our future was planned by her as a complete fraud. Why would someone plan Such an outrageous theft unless you thought and knew it would be easy to get away with. That is she must have had knowledge that federal grant fraud was common and easy to get away with. What and who did she know? 2. Several others got involved in the federal grant fraud along with her. Why? Again, unless these people had knowledge or even expertise that the fraud would be easy to pull off with me so far, are you going where my mind's going?

[Chris Reivers]

Yep.

[Joe Sucere]

Number three, I believe the federal. I believe that federal grant fraud is very common in every state in the US but it is usually not recognized. You also have to wonder if there's also some bribery, corruption with state employees. Number four, I believe what happened here in Minnesota was a profound ignorance and mismanagement by the Walz administration. Apparently ignorance versus corruption. And then he finally he proposes fraud stoppers. Each Fed grant would have a group of citizen volunteers to monitor parts of the Fed grants to prevent or recognize corruption. The public has very little knowledge of federal grants to recognize when there is neglect or mismanagement. A citizens committee like my dad's committee could be very helpful to educating the public and also fraud prevention. I believe federal grant fraud is likely very common and usually not recognized. Mark, MD, retired pediatrician, now living in Anoka. I don't know if it's plausible to put together citizen committees. There are so many grants issued. I don't know that that would work. But does anybody see where his suggestions are taking me? It does make sense to me that this was started with fraud in mind. I think we've been working under the assumption that. We've been working under the assumption that it wasn't started with fraud in mind, but then fraud just happened so they fell into it. Yeah. No. What if it was started intentionally with fraud in mind which would corroborate our suspicion that many higher ups had to be involved. That's a game changer in securing the money in the first place. Huh? Well, goodness. Just. I don't want you to even talk right now.

[Chris Reivers]

Welcome to the squad.

[Joe Sucere]

No, you're not going to say anything. Let's just continue to look at this coldly. I asked you guys before the show, look up Amy Bach's biography and there's nothing outstanding in it. She was involved in the child care business. But there was one sentence either John or Kenny read to me that might prove useful in fleshing this out. She was a. Wasn't she a national director of child care, grant getting or something or what did you read me?

[Kenny Olson]

I'm going back to it here. It's Quite long.

[Joe Sucere]

Right. But you, you came upon a sentence that, that fit nicely with this guy's email.

[Kenny Olson]

Before Amy got involved in federal food aid program, she worked as a child care instructor. She graduated from the U of M and in Duluth in 03.

[Joe Sucere]

That was beyond this degree in elementary education.

[Kenny Olson]

At the beginning of the 2010s, she started to launch her own daycare organization in Burnsville. Wouldn't actually incorporate it until the fall of 19, just months before the pandemic.

[Joe Sucere]

You read to me a job title, it seemed to me, a job title that would place her in an environment where she would become aware of federal granting.

[Kenny Olson]

She joined a daycare company called Knowledge Universe, working her way up from instructor to center director. She went on to work for an education trade group called the Minnesota association for Education of Young Children, where she helped child care organizations manage accreditation. Am I saying that right?

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah. That suggests to me that she was in a milieu, an environment, a whatever, where she would be aware of the how and why of getting federal grants. Here's what I would do if I was the king. I would go and who would have to do it? What level of law enforcement would have to do it. I would go to visit Amy Bach and promise her complete freedom. I'm being serious here. In exchange for revealing what exactly, how did this exactly come about and who was involved. Now, she might have to go into a witness protection program for all I know.

[Chris Reivers]

That's just it.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, but who, Amy? Who were you really involved with to engineer this? Because I'm prepared to believe this was designed to be a fraud. We've always looked at it as, gee, we were getting stung with this fraud here. Wonder who did. If you stop to think about it and look at the massive amounts of money that took extraordinary planning and knowledge of how to get that money. A whole new way to look at this.

[John Fluorescent]

According to former state employees, BOK pressured workers who raised questions within weeks of the organization's first submissions, and officials began documenting her concerning behavior. Now, if that's the case, she would have a preconceived notion of we can do this.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, we don't know that, but here's what could be true, is that she was one of the players who put it together. This is just me. I'm not accusing her of that. I'm saying this is how I'm looking at it. Now, she could have been one of the players who put it together, and the foot soldiers down the line weren't really involved in the manufacturing of the availability of this tremendous amount of money. They were just useful pawns in the plan. You say, Abdul, that you have a restaurant in Shakopee and that you're feeding this many kids. And you say, Hakeem, that you're doing this in Chaska. And you say, Abdul, that you're doing it in Minneapolis. Those people, they benefited, but they had nothing to do with the origination is what I'm seeing. That's my suspicion.

[Kenny Olson]

The origination came from the Meals act,

[Joe Sucere]

right, Which Ilhan Omar was instrumental, extremely instrumental in creating. Right.

[Kenny Olson]

And as soon as the rules were relaxed, Amy swooped in and the rules

[Joe Sucere]

were relaxed because of COVID The whoever, whoever helped loosen up this money from the Department of Agriculture also was able to loosen up the rules and be able to dispatch the money quickly. And fraud was used as the excuse for that. Now if you just stop and just tear that one apart and unpack it. There was no reason to speed up anything because of, I mean, food is food and hungry children are hungry children. What difference did it make how quickly they had to distribute that money? There was no evidence or indication that because frauds, because Covid set in, children were suddenly hungry. That had, that's. That had nothing to do with anything but that. They told us that exactly because of fraud. Now almost instantaneously, because of COVID Look at all of these hungry children. There were no hungry children or you would have heard about them. During the whole time of fraud, the money never went to feed hungry children. Now that also suggests that that was a knowledge from the get go. Hey, we're going to get all this money. Don't worry about feeding anybody. We're not going to feed anybody. This is. We're just going to have the money and we're going to buy houses in, in Hamilton or Doleno, whatever the hell Medina.

[Kenny Olson]

The USDA relaxed the rules and then they allowed restaurants and other sites to become, well, I guess meal sites. And then they allowed for these, what they called grab and go meals. Well, but there was no food.

[Joe Sucere]

There was no food and there was

[Kenny Olson]

no customers grabbing and going, okay, if

[Joe Sucere]

you look at it like this, and I don't know if we're right or if I'm right, but if you look at it like this, it explains the foot dragging. It explains the hesitancy on the part of the administration to point fingers and say, yes, so, and so was responsible and so on. No, they're all part of it, if you look at it this way. And by they all, I mean higher ups who actually knew what buttons to press to Unleash the flow of money and how quickly they could get it accomplished. Now, and it may be true that this is true, the closer you get to the country's tallest buildings all over the country. I haven't even had a chance to read it yet, but CBS News in Los Angeles is reporting on extraordinary fraud connected with hospice care, that they're not getting the hospice care that they've billed billions for. Maybe the whole country is founded on fraud.

[Kenny Olson]

What gets me Joe, and we talk to Faye Bernstein yesterday. What gets me is her higher ups. Her boss.

[Joe Sucere]

Now, she was with Department of, is with Department of Human Services.

[Kenny Olson]

Still is, yeah. And now she's basically doing janitorial work. They've got her so demoted, but everybody above her who she alerted told her to shut it down or be quiet or look somewhere else or stop doing what you're doing. And everybody that shut her down got promoted. Meanwhile, she got demoted.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, there's two reasons for that. It occurs to me. One, the people above her didn't want to rock the boat and they're lazy and they didn't want to have to do any work to prove what she was alleging.

[Kenny Olson]

That's true.

[Joe Sucere]

Or two, they're all involved in it and that's true.

[Kenny Olson]

If you ask me, I don't think it's an either or. And they said things like compassion, they're willing to bend and break rules due to compassion, be compassionate, feed the kids. That.

[Joe Sucere]

That's, that's what Walls has gotten away with. I guess we're just neighborly folks up here.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

You know, you're not neighborly. Golly, you're thieves.

[John Height]

There's a story on the reformer I've been reading, and we've talked about this before, that when all of this was discovered, the people who are higher ups obviously were mostly Democrats because it's Minnesota.

[Joe Sucere]

Right.

[John Height]

And they didn't want to rock the boat with something that would harm their constituency and take away votes from them.

[Kenny Olson]

Right.

[Joe Sucere]

We took us a long time, but maybe we finally got there. This is a planned theft that had to involve extremely high up people who were probably both elected and non elected high up people.

[Kenny Olson]

And the people in dhs, I don't think it is my opinion. Let me rephrase that. They did not get millions and millions. They've got legitimate pay raises. They got better jobs. They got promotions. They didn't get any. From what I can tell. Money under the table.

[Joe Sucere]

Right. But higher ups did. If this scenario is, from what I

[Kenny Olson]

understand, Sherene Gandhi benefited mightily and sherene claims that she was part of the solution, when in fact she was part of the problem.

[Joe Sucere]

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[Chris Reivers]

You had asked about an alarm, Some type of fraud alarm. Yeah. And on this show, we typically like to do things to honor those that came before us.

[Joe Sucere]

I don't know where you're going, so I'm very nervous.

[Chris Reivers]

Okay, that's good.

[Joe Sucere]

I'm glad.

[Chris Reivers]

I like to keep you on your toes. And by the way, welcome to the team. I'm finally glad that you're on Team Reavers with the fraud. How about a fraud alarm that sounds just like this?

[John Height]

And who expected that?

[Joe Sucere]

There it is.

[Josh Arnold]

Don't worry about that noise.

[Chris Reivers]

To honor the great man. The train whistle alarm is the official coming through.

[Joe Sucere]

Compounding.

[John Fluorescent]

Grab hold of the fraud train.

[Joe Sucere]

Let's say this scenario is the way it happened. Compounding the difficulty in rectifying it is a completely apathetic electorate. We just keep going on with our lives and looking at our shoes. Hey, Chevy came out with a new pickup truck. I'm gonna go look at it.

[Chris Reivers]

The twins sign a pitcher.

[John Height]

Yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

We're staring at our shoes.

[Chris Reivers]

Who the bike's gotta get for quarterback.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, look at that. They gotta raise property taxes again. Well, I guess I just have to pray it's only gonna be $33 per year on my house. We haven't. This is just happening in front of our eyes and we don't. I don't know what to do about it. You Gotta start. We have to start over. And we're not going to. That's not plausible. But thanks to this fellow's note, my eyes have been opened. To me, it makes all the sense in the world that this was designed to be a fraud. Fraud just didn't happen because suddenly there was a lot of money to distribute to food programs. That was the whole game in the first place.

[Chris Reivers]

And I guess that's why I always question how did everybody associate with this, have such access to all this information almost instantly?

[Kenny Olson]

What do you mean?

[Chris Reivers]

Because.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, I didn't know that if I filled out a form, Kenny, or I didn't know that the Department of Agriculture was about to release under relaxed rules.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, I stored at the get go. At the get go. Do you realize there's fraud happening right now?

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kenny Olson]

They don't. Wouldn't these fraudulent fraudsters see other people being arrested and getting caught for fraud? They don't stop their own fraud. No, it's still happening right now. We have at least one instance where Coles and I have discovered fraud that's happening as we speak right now. And they have not stopped.

[Chris Reivers]

Hold on, let me sound the alarm.

[Kenny Olson]

And I can't. And because Jay's a journalist, we can't just go with it. We have to get more than one source and we have to, you know, prove where we're coming from. So that's what we're working on right now. But it's incredible.

[Joe Sucere]

It's right now, Joe.

[Kenny Olson]

Right this second, it's happening.

[Chris Reivers]

You guys, there is a.

[Joe Sucere]

And in wall, they just found this affable buffoon who wasn't sharp enough or ethical enough to put his foot down. I have to believe he was aware of the hot coal at the center of this. He had to be aware that this is how it works. This was designed to be a fraud. And then the game they played was passing it off as their compassion for people. We're Democrats. We really care about people.

[Chris Reivers]

You haven't helped a soul, our neighbors.

[Joe Sucere]

You haven't helped one person.

[Kenny Olson]

My problem with walls is he's. He has no morals or ethics. Anybody with any kind of ethics whatsoever would have stepped down a long time ago, but not him.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, to play devil's advocate, let's call it. Let's. Let's get cut walls some slack in this regard. In this regard, Maybe a guy in his position was facing insurmountable odds trying to go against this giant wave of fraud. Maybe he was. There's. The higher ups are telling him, fine, you go ahead and blow the whistle there, Governor. You're done. You're done. Because this goes way beyond him. Now. That's about all the slack I want to cut the guy because. And I might even be too kind doing that. But maybe he was told by figures of more importance that, look, if you don't want to get involved with this, Tim, just give him some BS about how you're trying to get to the bottom of it and you'll examine this. You're very frustrated by it, and just remind people that we're good people up here, we're good to our neighbors, and just let this thing go, Tim. Don't worry about it. You didn't cause it, Tim. It's just happening. It's been happening. And you just happen to be the governor as it's currently happening. But don't. Don't get yourself too wrapped up in it, Tim. Just play along.

[Kenny Olson]

Go check the oil on your international.

[Joe Sucere]

Go check your scout and pretend you're changing the air cleaner. And don't worry about it. I swear to God, I think that's what's happening. Honest to God, this is amazing. I wonder who those higher ups could be. And you're not allowed to speak because I'm being blinded by your tinfoil hat. But you know.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, I'm pretty amazed by your. Tim. This is the first I've heard of higher ups. I like the way your brain is working, but I'm.

[Joe Sucere]

Nobody used this before, but I.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, but who would they be?

[Chris Reivers]

Can I be honest? I think everybody's in on it. And I'm not joking. And I think the entire government system, I'm saying both sides, whatever realm you guys think this is, there's no way that this hasn't been orchestrated from the absolute top down. And the only reason that this governor is pretending to care about it now is because he realizes if it gets back to him, he's in serious, serious trouble.

[Joe Sucere]

John, will you look up and have it in your news? I didn't have a chance to read it. Can you quickly read about this breaking story out of LA about the hospice fraud?

[Chris Reivers]

Okay,

[Kenny Olson]

while John does that, I have to comment to Chris. He did. Him and Ellison did get raked over the Colts fairly thoroughly earlier this week.

[Chris Reivers]

Right? But what happened, though, Ken? They all played dumb.

[Joe Sucere]

Nothing will happen, right? I think the game is so organized that that theater walls and Ellison went through is just part of the game.

[Chris Reivers]

We have Ellison on tape talking to people involved with this that were contributing to his campaign.

[John Fluorescent]

That's not really proof, though, is it?

[Chris Reivers]

We're all saps. I mean, we're just being taken. That's what's happening.

[Joe Sucere]

I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that. I think that there are players in Washington who can alert the local players of the latest idea how to get some money and food. Frog came along, and that was one of the ideas. Then I went to autism and daycare and. And then the state's transportation. Transportation and Housing Stabilization and Medicaid and hospice care. Because the state has grown too big, the departments are too large. They can't be monitored for any efficiency whatsoever. Nor perhaps have they ever intended to be designed to be monitored for efficiency.

[Chris Reivers]

1 million to 343 million in autism alone. In autism in six years.

[Kenny Olson]

And you know what? If we give Keith Ellison's office another mil or so, he can hire more investigators and they can fight fraud.

[Joe Sucere]

Right, Right.

[Chris Reivers]

Just trying to think, Rook. You know the building a lot better than I do here. Should I take my victory lap? Should I go down that way or should I go upstairs?

[John Fluorescent]

I'd go. I'd start upstairs and then come down. Cause it's easier. Jenny has free camps and get some lap.

[Kenny Olson]

I wouldn't take a lap quite yet.

[Joe Sucere]

All right.

[John Fluorescent]

Yeah, you might fall down the back stairs.

[Joe Sucere]

You don't have to be humble. You're not that great.

[Chris Reivers]

That's a great line.

[John Fluorescent]

That's pretty good. You write that one?

[Joe Sucere]

I don't know where I read that.

[John Height]

Got it.

[Joe Sucere]

I'm giving Reaver some grief.

[Chris Reivers]

It's all right.

[Kenny Olson]

I was sort of right about the cash. Paying cash for houses, you have to. If you're going to write a big check, you have to provide proof of funds. It's basically a letter from your financial institution. If it's recently deposited large amounts, there's going to be some examination of where that money came from.

[Chris Reivers]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Joe Sucere]

Okay. Well, apparently. Apparently. Well, then two things happened with Hannah's purchase of this place in Medina. They either checked and the money was in the bank, Or they didn't even check, but the check cleared, so everything was great.

[John Fluorescent]

But the other thing is, if they would have investigated, they would have said she was paid from the state. They would not have known meals were tax returns.

[Kenny Olson]

And you go, oh, last. In 2018, you made 60,000. In 2019, you made 600 million. What changed?

[John Fluorescent]

But then she would say, I have these receipts from.

[Joe Sucere]

You got really lucky.

[John Fluorescent]

Yeah, but I have these receipts from all these meals. Which is from the state.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[John Fluorescent]

So there wouldn't have been a There would have been a red flag to the increase. Yes.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, speaking of fraud, what do you got?

[John Height]

Fraud?

[Joe Sucere]

Well, you remember our friend Tiffany Howard? She's no go zone. She was the mayor. She was the mayor of Dalton, Illinois, spending all that money, treating herself like high royalty. And she has fled from Illinois now.

[Chris Reivers]

Oh, no.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, she.

[Chris Reivers]

Zimbabwe. Where's she at?

[Joe Sucere]

She's got a $40,000Amazon bill, and she left behind money she owes in rent and this and that and the other thing. She fled to Atlanta, where she decided to be a Republican.

[Kenny Olson]

They won't find me here.

[Joe Sucere]

And she's running now for a. A regional council seat as the only Republican. She's suddenly a Republican. I think that's fantastic. And it's all over the news. She. Let's see here. She's gonna. What is it she's running for? I don't know. She's running as a Republican in Georgia. She spent 43 grand on Amazon buys in one day. Apparently, she then fled to Georgia, and she's running as a supervisor, One of the. On the board of supervisors for Fulton county, which includes Atlanta. And she's now a Republican.

[Chris Reivers]

I have audio of that scene.

[Joe Sucere]

That makes me nervous.

[Chris Reivers]

I know.

[Joe Sucere]

Above the danger zone. Above the crazy line. We have the danger zone.

[Kenny Olson]

Yep.

[Joe Sucere]

This is your redheads, your strippers, anyone named Tiffany. This is hairdressers. This is where.

[Mike Schoonover]

This is where your car gets keyed,

[Joe Sucere]

you get a bunny in the pot,

[Mike Schoonover]

your tires get slashed, and you wind up in jail.

[Kenny Olson]

A bunny in the pot.

[John Fluorescent]

Nice Fatal Attraction reference.

[Kenny Olson]

She stole 1.9 million from the taxpayers in that town.

[Chris Reivers]

I'm changing it up. Everything is running as a Republican in Atlanta.

[Kenny Olson]

The FBI basically is her roommate.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, right.

[Kenny Olson]

I mean, they're just with her every. Every second of every day. The FBI is right there with, like,

[Chris Reivers]

the Looney Tunes thing. Camera.

[Kenny Olson]

The.

[Chris Reivers]

The chicken clocks in the dog clock.

[Joe Sucere]

Here's. Here's ABC Chicago. A judge has ordered Tiffany Howard to repay 10 grand in back rent, and she and her boyfriend were accused of not paying for the rent. Not paying the rent for the home they lived in. Cook County Sheriff's deputies tried and failed to serve Henyard with eviction papers in October of 2024. Henyard and her boyfriend have since moved out of the home. She did not appear in court Monday, I supposed because it's a hassle to get back here from Georgia, and that's where she's running for.

[John Fluorescent]

You don't want to be inconvenient.

[Chris Reivers]

I'm at work.

[Joe Sucere]

She's at work.

[Kenny Olson]

Now, during her time as mayor, that city, it was 21 to 25. That village's bank account went from 5.6 million surplus to a 3.6 million deficit.

[Joe Sucere]

I can't believe it took him that long to get rid of her. She was a no go zone.

[Kenny Olson]

We still have a governor here.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, that's true. Well, it's amazing. Folks, let's take a time out, shall we?

[Chris Reivers]

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[Joe Sucere]

doesn't mean you have to turn your volume down. It just means you speak slower.

[Chris Reivers]

If this adds on pause.

[Joe Sucere]

That's right.

[Chris Reivers]

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[Joe Sucere]

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[Kenny Olson]

Grocery outlet bargain market. Look at this. It's positive Thursday already. It's brought to us by Schoonover Body Works and Auto Care Caveat Emptar. They're located in Shoreview. Does that work there? 1060 County Roadie.

[Chris Reivers]

Is that a coffee shop?

[Kenny Olson]

Caveat emptor. Mike Schoonover is here. Know if it even works in that, in that usage? Mike?

[Josh Arnold]

Wow. Holy cow.

[Mike Schoonover]

Buyer fancy on me.

[Kenny Olson]

Beware. Buyer beware.

[Mike Schoonover]

That's a good point, Kenny.

[Chris Reivers]

Yeah.

[Mike Schoonover]

You know, there's a couple instances that we've run into here of late. Number one, buyer beware. When you're buying a used car or vehicle or used truck, whatever.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Mike Schoonover]

That smoking hot deal that you're getting is usually means that there's something wrong with that vehicle. So, I mean, we've got numerous, numerous customers that have come in and say, you know, this doesn't work.

[Kenny Olson]

Right.

[Mike Schoonover]

Or I got this squeak or this doesn't shut. Right. And it's because it was involved in a previous collision or it was total out before and kind of zip tied and screwed together using drywall screws and stuff. So I can't, I can't. I just. I would strongly urge GL ers, if you're going to go buy a used vehicle, to have it checked out by a professional before you do that, that even though it's a really good deal,

[Kenny Olson]

does that also come to using less than perfect replacement parts? I mentioned in an ad that I did for you that you guys will fight for us when it comes to our insurance companies to ensure that our parts are replaced with only the highest quality parts.

[Mike Schoonover]

It does, Kenny. So, so, for instance, right now a lot of vehicles are getting totaled out. So we, we are, we don't total them out. But you know, customers that bring their vehicles to us and other shops, those. There's a higher incidence of vehicles getting towed out, totaled out. And a lot of customers, because people don't have the extra cash or the insurance companies not giving them a fair deal, they're going to retain the vehicle and fix it themselves. So that's where we get into kind of good, better, best. Yeah, but when we do that good, better, best, as long as the customer is aware of it, as long as we continue to do a safe repair, it may, you know, cosmetically it might not be perfect, but it's going to be safe. Everything's going to function. There's no problem with that. But that is along, you know, that's, that's along the lines that we are informing the customer. The customer is aware and they have an understanding of what they're getting. Getting and what they're paying for.

[Kenny Olson]

Sure.

[Mike Schoonover]

Well, the problem is, is with these used cars is that A lot of people are buying vehicles that are not safe. We don't, you know, we, you know, there's been stories of, you know, aftermarket or used airbags or even d airbags put into the vehicle, which. Which is just should be a crime.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, no kidding.

[John Height]

So.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, that's good to know. You guys have been at it and you've been around since 1938. I. I guess you learn a thing or two in those years. And Schoonovers is the official shop of garagelogic. And y' all just heard why. I mean, they're always rated as one of the top shops in the Metro. Schoonoverbodyworks.com thank you, Mike.

[Mike Schoonover]

Thanks Kenny. Thanks Jellers everybody. Have a good day.

[Joe Sucere]

Here's a man who spends hours in hardware stores sifting through the nuts and bolts of life.

[Chris Reivers]

Joe Sucere.

[Kenny Olson]

Now I made you paranoid, John. I'm sorry.

[Joe Sucere]

I know there's John Fluorescent.

[John Height]

I like ways. Maybe it's burning out or something. It's driving me nuts too. It has been the whole show. Let's along, shall we?

[Chris Reivers]

Can I mention one thing? Could you imagine rookie doing the show remotely at his house?

[John Fluorescent]

No, I'd be doing so in my underwear.

[Chris Reivers]

Well, that it would be.

[Joe Sucere]

Can we do the news now? Here's John Height.

[John Height]

Thank you, Joe. This news brought to you by North American Banking Company. A man is dead. An investigation underway after a police response to a man in crisis escalated overnight in Rochester. According to a statement from the Rochester Police Department, officers called to the area of Ashland Drive northwest near 19th Street street where Ashland Place apartment is located. It happened about 9:30 last night. Initial reports say a man was experiencing a mental health crisis which led police to also bring a social worker from the department's crisis response team. Police say they spoke with a man determined he was a threat to himself and others warranting a 72 hour emergency hold. However, when officers tried to take him into custody, a struggle ensued as the man and officer struggled. Police say the man grabbed one officer's gun. In response, another officer shot the man. The department says officers then rendered aid to the man before he was taken to a hospital where he was declared dead. As with all law enforcement use of force cases, the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension was called and is now handling the investigation. Car thefts in the Twin Cities moved in different directions for the first couple of months of the year with an increase in Minneapolis and a continued slowdown in St. Paul. Both cities were experiencing a decrease in car thefts by the end of 2025. However, this year, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O' Hare expressed concern about a renewed spike, which he says began when the influx of federal immigration agents arrived in the city. O' Hara told Minneapolis City Council members, you might see out there that just crime went down during this thing. That's not all true. Some crime did. Other crimes went up. After a 37% decrease over the last two years, the chief informed council members the city is now seeing a significant increase in auto thefts and some damage in property. City data indicated nearly 1200 thefts in 2026, compared to 935 at the same time last year. The chief says the problem is if you pull investigators and you pull cops out of the neighborhoods because you have to do all this other order policing, we have a lot of work we have to get back to. Across the river in St. Paul, Ramsey county undersherif Mike Martin credited the Ramsey County Sheriff's Office carjacking and auto theft team and its work with St. Paul and other local police for a 61% decrease in auto theft over three years.

[Joe Sucere]

Are we still stealing Hyundai's and Kias? Is that still the popular brand that's fallen off? They've been. They haven't been in the news much.

[Chris Reivers]

Well, it's because Keith Elson successfully sued them.

[Joe Sucere]

That's true. They'll have new ignitions, don't they? Yeah.

[John Height]

A man convicted of murder for a 2021 shooting that took place outside the church where a funeral was being held will spend decades behind bars. Yesterday A judge ordered 31 year old Kevin Mason to serve 30 years in prison for the killing of 29 year old Dantevius Catchings. Prosecutors say Mason and Catchings got into a fight outside Shiloh Temple, which was hosting a funeral for a north Minneapolis street gang member on June 11, 2021. At some point, Catchings was shot multiple times in the back and neck and later died from his injuries. Witnesses told investigators Mason refused to return a gun that Catchings had lent him and after physically fighting, shot Catchings in the back as he walked away. After the shooting, Mason fled the state but was arrested in Indiana where he was accidentally released but recaptured in South St. Paul. A jury then convicted him of murder in December. At former assistant U.S. attorney you remember this story who was removed from an immigration detail after telling a federal judge that quote, this job sucks, is now running for Congress.

[John Fluorescent]

That job sucks too.

[John Height]

Julie lay also told U.S. district Judge Jerry Blackwell back a couple weeks ago she wished she could he could hold her in contempt so that she could have a full 24 hours of sleep, lay said, according to a transcript of the judge. What do you want me to do? The system sucks, this job sucks, and I'm trying every breath that I have so that I can get you to do what you need. Now Lay is Campaigning in District 5 on immigration reform, funding for education and access to health care. In addition to her experience at the U.S. attorney's office, lay says she has also previously served served as assistant chief counsel for the Department of Homeland Security, a workers compensation attorney, an assistant city attorney, a criminal defense attorney, an immigration attorney and a family law attorney, according to a news release at her campaign website. Alay is running as a Democrat in Minnesota's 5th district. That is the House seat held by Ilhan Omar, who said she is running for re election.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, I bet she is.

[John Height]

Yeah.

[Chris Reivers]

Welcome aboard.

[John Height]

We did mention this briefly yesterday when it happened. Here's some more details. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry yesterday vetoing that measure that we talked about that would have temporarily doubled the city's pre eviction notice period, proposing $1 million in rental assistance in its place. City Council members passed the eviction protection ordinance last week, which supporters said would buy time for renters who suffered a loss of income during Operation Metro Surge. The mayor's office yesterday said the council's proposed ordinance could ultimately make housing instability worse. He said the 5% year over year drop in eviction filings in January and February supports the notion that rental assistance works. Fry and other opponents have argued. This was your argument, Joe, that prolonging the eviction notice period from 30 to 60 days would only dig renters deeper into debt and could lead some landlords to hike rents or take units off the market to compensate for lost income. And while the University of Minnesota is refusing to release either individual or team by team details about how it's directly paying student athletes, citing privacy and trade secrets, university officials refused repeated data requests from the Star Tribune that aim to understand how the school is compensating athletes after the historic House vs. NCAA settlement, which lets schools pay 20 and a half million dollars to its athletes this year. The school cited student privacy when refusing to release data on individual athletes and also refused to release payment breakdown by program because the school considers it commercially viable information. While the school isn't disclosing specific spending, officials said last year the money would go to football, men's and women's basketball, women's volleyball and men's hockey. Why don't we take a quick break here and hear from Mr. Reivers? You know what?

[Chris Reivers]

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[Joe Sucere]

Why would I need one? I can go there.

[Chris Reivers]

Well, the whole point, Joe, is they come to you.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, really?

[Chris Reivers]

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[Joe Sucere]

They put that up in your house.

[Chris Reivers]

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[John Fluorescent]

He's tearing up, I think.

[Chris Reivers]

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[John Height]

Thank you, Chris. In national and international news, the Senate passed a bill this morning aimed at boosting the supply of housing and bringing down prices, marking a, in these days, very rare bipartisan breakthrough on a major issue. The 21st century road to Housing act was written by Republican Senator Tim Scott and Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren. Ten senators voted against it, 89 voted for it. The 303 page legislation creates a series of grants and pilot programs for housing construction or revising federal definitions to encourage more housing units and prevent Wall street from buying up tons of single family homes. Such a big bipartisan vote is increasingly unusual in Congress. And the bill aims to tackle a major affordability issue for voters ahead of the midterm elections. It's uncertain, though, if it can pass the House as is. And President Trump has signaled he's not as interested in the package as he is in passing separate voting legislation. Iran's new supreme leader, Mojtaba Khamani, said today the closure of the Strait of Hormuz maritime passage should be continued as what he called a tool to pressure the enemy. It's his first public statement since he was appointed. Khamenei also said all US Military bases in the Middle east should close immediately and those bases will be attacked in television comments. Oil prices extended gains following the statement read by a state TV broadcaster. The shipping of oil through the Strait of Hormuz has effectively stopped since the war began, causing global oil prices to soar. Oil prices did top 100 bucks a barrel and US stocks skid out amid worries of a protracted disruption of oil markets this morning. Brent crude, Brent crude futures, excuse me, jumped after President Trump said stopping the Iranian regime after getting nuclear weapons was a higher priority than oil prices. As of about five minutes ago, the stock market showed the strains of that the Dow down 540 points, or about 1.13%, the Nasdaq down 1.09% and the S&P down 1.31%.

[Joe Sucere]

Time in more peaceful times. The traveling Lymans have sailed the straight of Hormuz. I was just informed of that today. That's what it's called. Y. Huh?

[John Height]

Here's the story, Joe, you talked about earlier. CBS on Tuesday releasing an exclusive investigation into fraud in hospice centers in Los Angeles, California. CBS said there's a stretch in LA with 500 registered hospice companies within just three miles of each other.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, that's the old trick we do here.

[John Height]

89 in one single building.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Acme Hospice Care.

[John Height]

Yeah, but CBS says when they visited, they found empty offices.

[Joe Sucere]

That's right.

[John Height]

Piled up mail and dead phone lines.

[Joe Sucere]

I'll be damned.

[Chris Reivers]

I'm stunned.

[Joe Sucere]

I am too.

[Chris Reivers]

Yeah, I'm stunned.

[John Height]

Attached to the social media post is a video of CBS journalist Andy Yamaguchi going door to door to hospice companies to ask questions. However, they were given no comment. Yamaguchi says in the video Medicare hospice fraud can happen in a few different ways. Shell companies can buy stolen Medicare numbers on the dark web and then bill the government for the services that they don't ever actually provide. In the story, CBS analysts report that out of the 1800 hospices in LA, about 700 of them have red flags for fraud, according to California standards spokesperson for Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom. Newsom's office responded to CBS News and said hospice fraud has been cracked down on under his leadership.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, apparently not, Gavin. Apparently not.

[Chris Reivers]

What happened to we don't know that.

[Joe Sucere]

We don't know that.

[John Height]

The Investigation found that 742 hospice companies still operate despite there being indicators of fraud. State Attorney General Rob Bonta said that More needs to be done with hospice fraud.

[Joe Sucere]

Yes.

[John Height]

He said we need to be responsive to the red flags and react to them, not just count them. Our main lane is the accountability side, the criminal investigations, the civil investigations. That's after the damage is done, though, unfortunately.

[Joe Sucere]

Boy, it's all very familiar to us, isn't it?

[Chris Reivers]

There is also a video that circulated in conjunction with the story John just read about Gavin Newsom doing this thing right, where he holds the thumb and he's, like, pointing and talking emphatically about trying to.

[Joe Sucere]

He's pretending he's presidential.

[Chris Reivers]

Yes, exactly. Trying to combat homelessness.

[Kenny Olson]

That's my bit.

[Chris Reivers]

And the video starts when he was the mayor of San Francisco.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, until the capital of homelessness.

[Chris Reivers]

Until right now. Basically talking about how we're gonna tackle this. Right. And it's somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 billion has been spent in homelessness, and one damn thing's been done.

[John Height]

Two people injured after shooting at Virginia's Old Dominion University this morning. That shooting left the gunman dead. After a swift police response, the gunman opened fire in the technology building at the Public Research College in Norfolk just before 10:50 this morning. The two injured students were rushed to a local hospital. Their conditions are unknown. At 11:30am the school issued an update that the shooter had been neutralized. They did not identify the shooter, and they did not say whether or not he was a student at the college.

[Chris Reivers]

Is it, John, this is not to rip you at all, by any means. John just had that story deep in his newscast. A shooting happened at a University, what, 15, 20 years ago. It had been all over national news.

[Joe Sucere]

Virginia's had a couple of school shootings they have in colleges.

[John Height]

That actually was a thought of mine, Chris, because the story just broke right before I started doing. Doing the news. So as I was grabbing the details, I thought, where should I put this?

[Joe Sucere]

And then I, you know, just tack it on.

[Chris Reivers]

And that's just kind of the way that we're operating now. Yeah, man, we're gonna be all right.

[Joe Sucere]

You're fine, right?

[John Fluorescent]

We're too big.

[Joe Sucere]

You're good. We're good. You're good.

[John Height]

You guys been to a theater lately? To see any movies? Anybody?

[Joe Sucere]

I know. I'm very spoiled by having it at home on a big screen theater. Yeah.

[John Height]

New Pew Research center survey conducted last summer says that just over half of U.S. adults, 53%, said they had seen a movie in theaters in the prior 12 months. A small but notable 7% said they had never seen a movie in a theater at all.

[Joe Sucere]

Wow, those are adults.

[John Height]

Now they're adults. The data also highlighted generational and economic divides in who was buying tickets. Two thirds of adults ages 18 to 29 said they had attended a movie in theaters in the past year, in contrast to just 39% of those 65 and older income told a similar story. Upper income Americans reporting going to the movies at the highest rate, 64% compared with 57% of those middle income brackets and 43% of lower income adults.

[Chris Reivers]

I'm trying to think of the last one I see.

[Joe Sucere]

I don't remember the last. I don't think I've been in theater in the last 12 months.

[John Fluorescent]

Yeah, because you're afraid of shootings or what?

[Joe Sucere]

No, it's just you can hail anything I want to see and get it at home.

[John Fluorescent]

Are you afraid that the staff is so full of special export that's in the ice machine that they can't function at the theater?

[Joe Sucere]

Right.

[Chris Reivers]

Top gun, Maverick though. I did see them.

[Joe Sucere]

I'm sure you did, John. Continue please.

[John Height]

Sure. Interesting story because we've actually talked about this. Lincoln Rice leads the National War Tax Resistance Coordinating Committee. You know, you know what that is?

[Chris Reivers]

No.

[John Height]

That's people who will not pay their taxes because they disagree with some of the stuff that the federal government's doing.

[Joe Sucere]

Can we do that here?

[Chris Reivers]

Start the trend?

[John Fluorescent]

We're behind you.

[John Height]

Well, they held their largest ever war Tax Resistance 101 training program in January a few years ago, trainings would draw about 15 attendees. Two months ago, nearly 500 people showed up and the group's website Traffic had over 110,000 unique visitors. Now, Lincoln Rice explains in his training. Some methods of tax resistance are not legal and if you attempt them, you should be prepared to face the risks of civil disobedience. And he points to threatening letters to wage or bank account garnishment, and to in one case, the seizure of a person's home. Tax resistance not new in the United States, of course. It goes Back to the 1773 Boston Tea Party. A political tax resistance re entered the mainstream during the Vietnam War when some celebrities, most famously Joan Baez, said they were would decline to pay a portion of their taxes spent on armaments. The estimated 2 million Vietnamese civilians were killed in the war. Many US taxpayers said, we don't want to spend our money on that. She was one of them. Most of them were just penalized, money wise. Then in the early 70s, 200 to 500,000Americans reportedly refused to pay the telephone tax, a 10% tax on phone bills that was levied to subsidize the Vietnam War. The IRS stopped collecting the 10% telephone tax near the end of the war. And as that war ended, mainstream interest in tax protest waned a bit too. During Joe Biden's presidency, a new group of Americans withheld federal tax dollars as the US subsidized Israel's attacks in Gaza. Those resistors were younger and more diverse than Vietnam era predecessors and interest rates set and tax protection test has now grown under President Trump. He said there have been three spikes since the re election of President. Trump said during the early days of the so called Department of Government Efficiency or doge, after the passage of the one big beautiful bill act and when the US attacked Venezuela and captured its president in January.

[Kenny Olson]

So do you know what Baez did? She refused to pay 60% of her income taxes. From 63 to. Like you said, John, she let the government take her stuff. They seized her assets. Assets, yes sir. Because I was thinking, the people that don't do this, that don't pay their taxes in protest, how much do they really have to lose?

[Joe Sucere]

She looked at a lot.

[Kenny Olson]

Are we talking the guy on the edge of town that has a trailer house with no skirting and about 18 crashed automobiles surrounding it, he's glad to

[Joe Sucere]

get rid of it or is it

[Kenny Olson]

somebody who has a lot to lose?

[John Height]

Yeah.

[John Fluorescent]

What about Willie Nelson? What did he do?

[Kenny Olson]

He just didn't pay him. Because he was high.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, he just forgot.

[John Fluorescent]

Okay,

[John Height]

but the guy though that you're talking about, can he be politically motivated, you think? I don't, I don't see that.

[Kenny Olson]

I think he would use it as an excuse.

[Joe Sucere]

Let's put it this way, way they got it figured out that we couldn't get away with it.

[John Height]

Yeah, we. That's true, that's true. Since the war. You know what, let's skip that one.

[Joe Sucere]

I mean they'll come after your wages, right?

[Kenny Olson]

Will they? Take for instance, say a spouse.

[Joe Sucere]

That'd be non lethal.

[John Height]

Just temporarily, right, Kenny? Just temporarily.

[Joe Sucere]

For a month.

[Kenny Olson]

Can we schedule that? Mid April, like six or seven days.

[Chris Reivers]

Collateral?

[John Fluorescent]

Never, never saw the sun, Never saw

[Kenny Olson]

those song Winter 10 Days.

[John Height]

I know, I know of a couple in the 70s, 60s and 70s who did not pay their taxes for about 13 years because they forgot.

[Joe Sucere]

That's a long time to forget.

[Kenny Olson]

How'd that turn out?

[John Height]

Well, it turned out that once the government caught up to them, the government just made them make payments that were basically like a car payment.

[Kenny Olson]

The feds, the irs, they are very willing to work with you. Yeah, the department of revenue, though in Minnesota, boy, they're a whole different story.

[John Height]

Don't be late.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah. All right, Johnny. Okay, that was wonderful. What do you have for us Reavers?

[Chris Reivers]

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[John Height]

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[Chris Reivers]

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[Joe Sucere]

and do not constitute investment advice. Chris Reivers is a paid endorser. He's it's the end of the world as we know it and he feels fine. Joe Sucere.

[John Height]

I just thought this sounds like Thunderclap Newman.

[Joe Sucere]

It does sound like Thunderclap Newman. There's a. What's that Hole in the bucket? That's a great song in the air.

[Chris Reivers]

What's it called?

[Joe Sucere]

Something in the Air.

[Kenny Olson]

They play that in the movie Kingpin.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, did they?

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

Boy, I'm trying to figure this story out.

[Chris Reivers]

I thought you were doing an ad.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, I can tell you about getting a garage door.

[Chris Reivers]

Thank you.

[Joe Sucere]

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[John Fluorescent]

Punished for giving a drawing to a classmate.

[Joe Sucere]

Thank you. In its decision, a three judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court vacated U.S. district Judge David O. Carter's grant of summary judgment to the defendants and sent the case back for further proceedings. Let me see if I can cut to the chase here. The dispute stems from a March 2021 incident when plaintiff B.B. was a first grade student at Viejo Elementary School in the Capistrano Unified School District. After a classroom story about Martin Luther King Jr. BB felt bad because black people were put in a worse position and made a drawing showing all her friends holding hands. She made a drawing of all the little kids holding hands and the drawing including the words Black Lives Matter, Any Life, whatever that meant. Afterwards, she gave the drawing to her classmate mc, who is black so we can assume BB was white, and she gave her drawing, which sounds so far like it was done in good intentions, to her black classmate, MC and the classmate thanked her and took it home. When MC's mother discovered the drawing, she became concerned that her child was singled out as the only black student in her grade to receive such a drawing. The next day, MC's mother emailed the school principal, Jesus Barcera, saying she appreciated Black Lives Matter but did not trust what Any Life meant. According this is the first graders and this mother, this Karen changing is. She wrote that she and her husband would not tolerate any more messages given to our daughter because of her skin color, adding we do not send MC to school with flyers or propaganda. We only send her to school to learn the curriculum them and that's it. I think I want to stop reading because I might puke. In other words, the the the black mother, she analyzed that to death and decided that it was somehow untoward that her child received the drawing from her classroom.

[John Fluorescent]

What's happened to Innocence?

[Joe Sucere]

I don't know what's happened to Matt?

[John Fluorescent]

Innocence?

[Chris Reivers]

Is it the end of innocence?

[Joe Sucere]

Yes. You know And I'm only bringing this up because I've predicted to you that the more things go awry in this country, we live in strange times right now. You got the Iran deal, you're going to get more UFOs and you're going to get strange stuff.

[John Fluorescent]

The Iran deal.

[Chris Reivers]

We're living in the whole Iran thing going on.

[Kenny Olson]

End times.

[Joe Sucere]

That's what we're. Okay, well, six Bigfoot sightings. Ready? Ready. No. Incredible. Okay.

[Kenny Olson]

Or Montana. Or Wyoming.

[Joe Sucere]

No, this is. This is the part of the story.

[Kenny Olson]

Washington State.

[Chris Reivers]

Oregon.

[Joe Sucere]

Cleveland.

[Kenny Olson]

Cleveland.

[Joe Sucere]

Cleveland. They even have trees in Cleveland.

[Kenny Olson]

Like in the corn.

[John Fluorescent]

Came out of the.

[Kenny Olson]

Came out of the big foot of the corn.

[Joe Sucere]

This is a widespread Bigfoot sightings in northeast Ohio, with enthusiasts pointing to what they describe as a concentrated burst of activity. The Bigfoot Society, a podcast and online community dedicated to collecting eyewitness counts of Satchwatch, says it has received six separate reports.

[John Fluorescent]

Did he say SAS watch?

[Joe Sucere]

He did.

[Kenny Olson]

No, he said Sam Squatch.

[John Height]

Sam Squatch.

[Chris Reivers]

Sam Squatch.

[Joe Sucere]

What did I say? I don't know.

[Chris Reivers]

Bubbles.

[Kenny Olson]

What did he say?

[John Fluorescent]

He's appearing at the convention.

[Joe Sucere]

Sasquatch encounters six.

[Kenny Olson]

I didn't.

[Joe Sucere]

Sasquatch.

[John Height]

He got it right that time.

[John Fluorescent]

He's got it. He's getting choked up.

[Joe Sucere]

Six Separate reports between March 6th and what's today? March 12th and the 10th. Between the 6th and the 10th in wooded areas near Manlua and Garrettsville, southeast of Cleveland. Cleveland. The group has described the cluster as a possible flap, a term used in cryptozoology for multiple sightings within a short time span. Flap. Hey, we got a flap. Huh?

[Chris Reivers]

Okay.

[Joe Sucere]

It's normal for there to be Bigfoot sightings all over the US but it's not normal to have multiple sightings or a flap in a small area within a short number of days. Jeremiah Byron, host of the Bigfoot Society podcast, Upset.

[Chris Reivers]

You know why this happened, don't you?

[Joe Sucere]

I don't.

[Chris Reivers]

Well, because all of those tourism videos finally worked fun times in Cleveland today.

[Joe Sucere]

Cleveland, come on down to Cleveland town. Everyone come and look at both. I'd like to. I'd like to read this about Cleveland.

[Chris Reivers]

Look at both of her businesses.

[Kenny Olson]

You are. You used to be a lawyer, right? Were you also a judge? I need some legal advice.

[Joe Sucere]

Okay.

[Chris Reivers]

Oh.

[Kenny Olson]

When I see Bigfoot come rolling into my yard.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna use the 270.

[Joe Sucere]

I don't blame you.

[Kenny Olson]

And obviously you're gonna be dead.

[Chris Reivers]

No.

[Kenny Olson]

So when I go out to Bigfoot, laying there and then I realize there's a zipper on the back of his head and I open up the concert.

[Joe Sucere]

Then you're in trouble.

[Kenny Olson]

And it's Matthew. Am I? Did I just murder somebody? I thought I was shooting Bigfoot.

[John Fluorescent]

Where'd you hit me?

[Joe Sucere]

March 9th. Away. March 9th. JFK. March 6th. A witness described a nine footer. March 7th. An eight footer with deep grunts.

[John Fluorescent]

Where are you hiding?

[Joe Sucere]

It had deep grunts. Beautiful eyes. March 9th. An eight footer. March 9th, again, a separate count of a separate 10 footer. Had a tail and it had a musky.

[John Fluorescent]

Oh, Bigfoot doesn't have a tail.

[Joe Sucere]

Had a musky odor. March 9, another six foot tall figure that was seen through a window in March 10th. An 8 to 10 foot tall large black shadow.

[John Fluorescent]

Somebody's having a laugh.

[Kenny Olson]

I'm telling you. Why would you put a suit on? It's America's first reaction is to kill it. Shoot. Kill it.

[Joe Sucere]

If you're in this area, keep your eyes open and maybe your doors locked because there could be a Bigfoot in the same general area. The Bigfoot podcast people are very alert. They have 282,000 members and according to a flurry of recent posts, several Bigfoot hunters claim to have locked eyes with a nine foot tall brown haired Sasquatch.

[John Fluorescent]

No way.

[Joe Sucere]

You're gonna get a lot of this now. This is gonna be.

[John Fluorescent]

Is this getting back to normalcy?

[Joe Sucere]

No, this is reflective of the times we live in, which are so disturbing and so up upended that people are seeing UFOs and Sasquatches.

[John Fluorescent]

If I saw a Sasquatch, wouldn't you try to engage him?

[John Height]

He wouldn't.

[John Fluorescent]

He's not a threatening. He hasn't beat anybody up or ripped anybody's heads off. He's not.

[Kenny Olson]

I'm gonna, I'm gonna shoot him. I'm gonna cut him out like he's a deer and then I'm gonna strap him to the hood of my Studebaker. You gonna keep him out and I'm gonna Dr.

[Joe Sucere]

I, I wouldn't. I would, I would imagine that if I encounter one, I would anticipate a friendly meeting. And I would not, I would not wound the creature.

[Kenny Olson]

But could I count on any of you guys to help me bury a Sasquatch?

[Chris Reivers]

I would.

[John Fluorescent]

I want to poke it with a stick and just see.

[Joe Sucere]

Wouldn't you want to turn it over to medical science?

[John Fluorescent]

Are Bigfoot's good eating?

[Joe Sucere]

I don't know the back straps. Let me tell you something. I'm telling you something good. E. I think you're all missing the point.

[Kenny Olson]

Just the young ones, man, they're a little tender, huh?

[Joe Sucere]

You're all missing a more important.

[Kenny Olson]

All right, go ahead, lay it on, friend.

[Joe Sucere]

As culture implodes on us, people are going nuts. And the more nuts they get, the more UFOs they're going to see and the more Bigfoot they're going to see. Even as close as Cleveland, which is not a heavily wooded area area.

[John Height]

No.

[Chris Reivers]

In fact, the river catches on fire.

[Joe Sucere]

Although Cleveland has had. I mean, Ohio has had Bigfoot sightings in the past.

[Kenny Olson]

I think I love going to movies and detecting the underlying message, what they're really saying. And I think I know what you're really saying. It's Trump's fault.

[Chris Reivers]

Oh, I heard that too.

[Kenny Olson]

That's exactly what I heard.

[Chris Reivers]

Yeah. You're blaming the.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, I would know. And I don't know if it's. Well, maybe it is because here's what I would say about that. You want to know why?

[Kenny Olson]

How am I at spitting him off? I can do it.

[Chris Reivers]

That's pretty good.

[Joe Sucere]

In the time of Trump, it will be more common.

[Kenny Olson]

This is my fault.

[Joe Sucere]

It will be more common to see UFOs and Bigfoots.

[John Fluorescent]

Personal question.

[Joe Sucere]

You ever hear about. Did you ever hear about Bigfoot when W was president?

[John Height]

No.

[Chris Reivers]

No.

[Joe Sucere]

Did you ever hear about Bigfoot when Biden was president?

[John Fluorescent]

No.

[Joe Sucere]

How about Obama?

[Chris Reivers]

No, I don't. Don't think.

[Joe Sucere]

Not even a yeti during Reagan, was there any Bigfoots? Not to my knowledge. No. I don't think so.

[John Fluorescent]

If you saw a Bigfoot, a Sasquatch that had a Trump wig and he was obviously trying to.

[Chris Reivers]

With the red hat or be silly,

[John Fluorescent]

would you engage him before you shot

[Joe Sucere]

him in the head with the MAGA hat?

[John Height]

Exactly.

[John Fluorescent]

Hey, what's the deal?

[John Height]

Bigfoot?

[John Fluorescent]

I think Bigfoot is blurry.

[John Height]

That's the problem.

[Joe Sucere]

It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry and that's extra scary to me. Yep. But there's a large out of focus monster roaming the countryside. Run.

[John Height]

He's fuzzy.

[Joe Sucere]

Get out of here.

[John Height]

Who is president? 11. No, 15 years ago. What year are we.

[Joe Sucere]

What year would that be? 2010 would have been Obama.

[John Height]

Okay. That's when story of the.

[Chris Reivers]

He had beautiful hair.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, but.

[John Height]

So that was at least one.

[Chris Reivers]

Was that in Cleveland?

[John Height]

John, that was not.

[Joe Sucere]

I'm sorry, the Carolina

[Kenny Olson]

10ft tall.

[Chris Reivers]

I think you're giving the tourism video enough credit.

[Joe Sucere]

But that was never even claimed to be a Sasquatch story. That was just a guy who Saw him in the woods.

[John Height]

He was 10 foot tall with beautiful hair.

[Joe Sucere]

Beautiful hair.

[John Height]

And he had six fingers on each hand.

[Joe Sucere]

He says, and for a donut, for

[John Fluorescent]

toilet paper is right over there. She ran right over there.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, that's all I can think of when I hear that guy.

[John Fluorescent]

Yep, I got the toilet paper.

[Chris Reivers]

I tell you what, she was crazy,

[Joe Sucere]

but she went right.

[Chris Reivers]

She went right over there.

[Joe Sucere]

Only because. Wait, wait, wait.

[Chris Reivers]

This might be worthy of bringing up tomorrow. Our guy, Pat Garofalo. You know him, Joe.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[Chris Reivers]

He issued this tweet, and it's. It's such a great home run line. We might want to dig into this further tomorrow. So, Seattle. You're familiar with that city?

[Joe Sucere]

I am.

[Chris Reivers]

They have a socialist mayor by the name of Katie Wilson.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, she's a beauty.

[Chris Reivers]

She has officially declared war on grocery chains. She claims that she will unilaterally ban grocery stores from closing down in her city, arguing that food access is a human right that overrides business decisions. To which Pat Garofalo tweeted this. You know, every once in a while, an idea is so bad that I want to see it implemented just to watch it turn into an inferno of stupidity.

[John Fluorescent]

For those that don't know, Pat Garofalo is the Minnesota Grocers Association, a leader.

[Joe Sucere]

She's a mayor. Still living at home, I think.

[Chris Reivers]

Correct. With her parents. The inferno of stupidity. I had to get that out there. That was very, very fun, buddy.

[Joe Sucere]

The traveling lineman's right.

[Kenny Olson]

How's that going to work, though? No money. No money to buy inventory.

[John Fluorescent]

Well, just shoplift.

[Kenny Olson]

Got an old pack of Certs here.

[Chris Reivers]

Can of Spam on the counter somewhere.

[John Fluorescent]

Certs. Nice reference.

[Joe Sucere]

In 20. In 2013, the traveling Lymans cruised from Barcelona to Dubai by way of the Suez Canal, Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, and Strait of Hormuz. Boy, their travels are really jealous of that.

[John Fluorescent]

That would be cool.

[Joe Sucere]

They have had some extensive travels, and it's only because they come to us now from their current location. Penguin. Tasmania, Australia. It was on this day, Joe. Today is March 12th in 1872. Rutherford B. Hayes, between terms as governor of Ohio, spent the morning in St. Paul visiting the state capitol and other places of note in the city. Like what? Mickey's Diner. He served as US President from 1877 to 1881. On this day, March 12th in 1877. Boy, this is admitting defeat. Duluth, having suffered a loss of population, reverts from a city back to being a town.

[John Fluorescent]

Wow, that's a slap.

[Joe Sucere]

It went right from city to town.

[Chris Reivers]

What is the. What do you have to meet? What's the threshold?

[Joe Sucere]

I don't know, Chris. And I especially wouldn't know what it was in 1876.

[John Fluorescent]

It was 7,000 at that time.

[Joe Sucere]

On this day in Minnesota sports history, March 12, no 75 items recorded.

[John Height]

Okay.

[John Fluorescent]

Yeah. We did not lose.

[Joe Sucere]

We did not lose.

[John Fluorescent]

We got the wild tonight.

[Joe Sucere]

Yes. Thank you. GL or see.

[Chris Reivers]

How are you? Hi.

[John Fluorescent]

Can we watch the game tonight?

[Joe Sucere]

I don't know if you can.

[Chris Reivers]

You know, I'm gonna watch the world baseball classic. Are you gonna watch?

[John Height]

You can't.

[Joe Sucere]

I gotta read you a text from Patrick. I gotta read you a text from Patrick while we're still on.

[Chris Reivers]

That's right.

[Joe Sucere]

This is about the baseball classic.

[Chris Reivers]

Yes. Yes. Italy defeated Mexico to send the US to the next round.

[Joe Sucere]

Italy team with a bunch of u. S. Guys in world baseball, home run celebration in dugout is a few notes of opera music, an Armani jacket, a shot of espresso, and teammate gives him a kiss on each cheek. Casey's Vinnie pasquintano has three tonight. Three hits or three home runs.

[Chris Reivers]

Yeah.

[John Fluorescent]

Hey, primetime preview.

[Chris Reivers]

He's right. And John is correct. The game is tomorrow night. I apologize.

[John Fluorescent]

Patrick will join us tomorrow on garage logic, correct?

[Joe Sucere]

I hope so. Yeah.

[Josh Arnold]

Are you writing today?

[Chris Reivers]

Facebook, Instagram, garagelogic.com YouTube. Do it. See you, bro.

[John Fluorescent]

Ciao.

[Chris Reivers]

It is time once again that we check in with our guy, Mr. Money Talk. Josh Arnold is with us once again right here in garagelogic. And now is the time for you to do the same. So do not delay, do exactly what I did and pick up that phone and dial 952-925-5608. That number once again is 925 5608. When you call that number, you're going to get Josh and he is there for you for that. Free. Yep, I use the word free. 48 minute financial consultation with absolutely zero obligation. And he will always give you the straight to. He will never give you the sugar coated advice. And he is on the line with us once again right here in garagelogic. And Josh, I am sensing a theme this week with all of our updates and it still seems to be all about oil and credit, doesn't it?

[Josh Arnold]

Oil and credit. Oil and credit. The price of oil is. I'll say in the last week and a half, I'll say the conflict in the of. I'll say in Iran has started with threats back and forth about oil blocking the straits of Hormuz and the release of oil from the strategic oil Reserves. Add to it today a proposal to suspend the Jones act so that non U S flag carriers can move goods from US port to US Port and that that would be a nice boost I'll say for, I'll say for a lot of products moving by ship around around the country the price of oil has spiked and the price of oil is moving we'll say more on headline than on actual. We'll say demand or current demand. There is the belief that with oil shut in in say the Gulf and not, not the Gulf of Mexico or Gulf of America within the Gulf states or that that could reduce the flow of oils by about 20% at least on the short term question of course comes up is given that America is now not dependent on foreign oil, how does that affect us? Well the price of oil is set is global. That price revolves around all the oil and not just one country country like America and yes we do have plenty of oil. Now the President has said that he was going to release about 170 million barrels of oil from the strategic oil reserve but that will take 120 days or six months, months to get to market. Now the intent of course is to bring down the price of gasoline at the pump which has recently gone up a little bit. Now many people have been thinking well we've got to invest now in oil companies companies and yeah that would work for shorter term traders I'm not so sure for longer term investors. The other situation from this oil price spike has also hurt caused to go up the price of fertilizer. And you can see two companies, CF Industries and Mosaic in the last few days their prices have shot up and that you know that that cost is going to be borne out over time in higher food prices. Now that leads to the next thing which if the price of oil is up, the price of fertilizer is up at least short term and we're entering into planting season that could boost the price of food and that is not so good for we'll say for interest rates as now traders have taken off the table any interest rate moves by the Fed this year or at least interest rate cuts by the Fed this year at least according to the predictive of market. Now the Fed does meet next week and as we said the other day, I don't believe the Fed is going to make any moves in terms of interest rates but they will provide some cautionary notes that going forward based on inflation they could leave rates alone. But unless the economy slows significantly, don't bet on the Fed cutting interest rates now with that prediction we'll say and it's not just me, it's market market predictions. If interest rates don't move down that could hurt the housing market and that has hurt housing stocks as well as Home Depot and Lowe's. Those stocks are on the on the downtick Caterpillar today day again on the downtick relating to some building more than anything else and with inflation up a little bit people are going to go want to shop where prices are cheap and that's given a nice boost to Walmart. There's something to pay attention to to. Meantime in terms of the credit markets, Credit has been I'll say worrisome or the ability of some companies to be able to meet their credit payments has been a little bit worrisome. And in particular this appeal applies to larger say software companies meeting their their payments and that has led many investors who have invested in private credit

[Mike Schoonover]

and

[Josh Arnold]

slash private equity firms who want take money out of very ill liquid investments that have been made through these firms. Morgan Stanley is the latest to put a limit on pulling money from their private credit funds joining the likes of Blackstone, Blackrock, kkr, Carlisle, Apollo and Blue Owl. These stocks have taken a hit as well on this this news but this has been ongoing for the past several months and I would provide some caution investing there. I still remain with my asset allocation model of keeping up to 30% in cash and that's close for safety to take advantage of some opportunities and opportunities are plenty plentiful right now and the balance in growth oriented companies particularly around the Internet which includes artificial intelligence and around leisure.

[Chris Reivers]

Excellent advice as always Mr. MoneyTalk. You heard him gl ers. Now is the time for you to pick up the phone and make the call for that free 48 minute financial consultation again with zero obligation. And you do that just like I did by dialing 952-925-5608 where you always get straight talk and never ever sugarcoated advice. Josh, as always, thank you so much for the time and the chat. Enjoy the rest of your day and we'll talk to you again tomorrow.

[Josh Arnold]

Look forward to it. Thanks.

[John Height]

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[Chris Reivers]

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[Joe Sucere]

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