3/30 What A Bunch of B.S.

Summary

Garage Logic – “What A Bunch of B.S.”

Podcast Network: Gamut Podcast Network
Episode Date: March 30, 2026
Host: Joe Soucheray (“The Mayor”)
Regulars: Mark Ellis, Kenny Olson, Chris Reivers, Josh Arnold

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Episode Overview

This Monday’s episode finds “the Mayor” Joe Soucheray and the crew firing away at local political dysfunction, especially in Minneapolis, while musing on city governance, activism, and the collapse of common sense in urban government. The team delivers classic Garage Logic commentary—irreverent, grumpy, rooted in “Gumption County” sensibilities—with a deep dive into the Minneapolis City Council’s recent turmoil and broader themes of progressive politics versus traditional values. Listeners are also treated to famous GL tangents, notably an extended appreciation for Charles Barkley, a dissection of tax hikes and city budgets, and philosophical musings on why America’s left and right can't communicate—with plenty of memorable quotes and sharp wit throughout.

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Main Topics and Key Insights

1. Minneapolis City Council in Disarray

(Start ~03:39)

• The show kicks off with Joe Soucheray referencing recent Minneapolis City Council infighting over a resolution about Cuba and divesting from Belgian banks.
  • Joe rails against council members devoting time to global issues unrelated to their duties while local problems go unaddressed:
    “When the council weighs in on every global development over which they have zero authority or influence, they don't look powerful. They look small.” (06:58)
• Elizabeth Schaefer (Ward 7) is praised for focusing on real city work (emergency rental assistance, police training), versus Robin Wansley (Ward 2) and others, whom Joe brands as “professional activists.”
  • On activist council members: “A city of go-getters has been replaced by a city of people who aren’t go-getters. Wansley is probably not lying ... These are the people who voted for her. They don’t care about Minneapolis. They’re not go getters.” (11:07)
  • On the absurdity of council actions: “A sitting member of our City Council thinks it is a strategic action to spend time and political capital helping a group of people fly to Europe to protest federal immigration performance.” (13:24)

Notable Rant:

“Minneapolis will never survive with this political setup ... If we bring about their vision, the city will continue to decline and be absolutely nothing for everybody. And I think that's what they want. They want misery shared equally.” (15:26)

• The group discusses how Schaefer was elected by remaining pro-commerce, affluent parts of Minneapolis, while activist members are winning elsewhere:
  “She got elected by people who have a vested interest in seeing that the city actually works... The rest of them got elected by people who have given up being a go getter.” (14:23)

Memorable Moment:

• “Robin Wansley and [the rest], none of them ever worked. None of them ever done anything. They're professional activists from the failed academy.” (18:03)

Segment Timestamps:

• [03:39] – Council childishness & clip
• [06:58] – The “smallness” of council grandstanding
• [10:31] – Latricia Vita as a potential voice of reason; council acrimony
• [13:24] – Activists’ global ambitions vs. Minneapolis realities

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2. Why Progressives and Conservatives Can’t Talk

(34:50 onward)

• Listener Carlton Smee, a pastor and college ethics instructor, writes in (35:10) with a philosophical explanation of today’s political impasse:

  • Summary from Carlton Smee:
    • Progressives are “consequentialists,” chasing outcomes (even if it requires disregarding individuals).
    • Conservatives care about individuals and want people to determine their own outcomes.

• Joe dubs this “brilliant”:

  “Progressives want an outcome that they will determine. Conservatives want an outcome that you determine.” (40:14)

• Mark Ellis distills: “Don’t let facts get in the way of your narrative. Don’t let people get in the way of your goal.” (39:17)

• Joe concludes: “Progressives are seeking an outcome, at all cost. And it doesn’t—people really don’t figure into the outcome.” (39:44)

Segment Timestamps:

• [34:50] – Reader letter introduction
• [35:59] – Explanation of descriptive vs. normative ethics
• [39:17] – “Don’t let facts get in the way of your narrative”
• [40:14] – Joe’s summary/direct phrasing

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3. Charles Barkley and the Search for Common Sense Leadership

(22:10, 25:08–29:37)

• GL’s recurring wish for a "common sense" leader, with Joe and the crew fantasizing about voting for Charles Barkley for president.
  • Joe: “If Charles Barkley announced today that he was running for president, it’d be the last you see of me ... I would quit the show and I would go and find him and say, what do you want me to do?” (22:36)
  • Extended discussion about Barkley’s authenticity, care for people, and a charming true story of his friendship with Lin Wang.
• The crew comments: “What Barkley is, is a G ller. He can see. He sees it all. And he calls it the way he sees it.” (30:34)

Segment Timestamps:

• [22:10] – Barkley hypothetical candidacy
• [25:08] – Barkley’s immigration comments
• [26:55] – The Lin Wang story (human connection and decency)
• [30:34] – The “G ller” archetype

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4. Hennepin County Sheriff Funding and the Crisis of Public Safety

(42:37–48:50)

• Commissioner Marion Greene questions the sheriff’s role in public safety after a budget overrun.

  • Greene: “Why do we need a sheriff's department anyway? ... I'm not willing to fund the sheriff to provide public safety for Hennepin County. I don't think that is something that the office can take on and do well.” (44:49)
  • This statement triggers a strong reaction from over 40 police chiefs and mayors.

• Joe notes the need to eliminate redundancy in government but deems Greene’s focus misdirected:
  “If only we had a legislator with a mind to capture and eliminate the redundancy in the state government level, we'd all be better off ... the Sheriff's department is 100% needed and thoroughly effective in Minneapolis.” (47:34)

Segment Timestamps:

• [42:37] – Greene’s comments and their fallout
• [44:49] – Reading and discussing Greene’s reasoning

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5. State & City Fiscal Policy: Tabs, Taxes, and School Budgets

(64:47–75:05)

• The DFL’s (Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party) “trifecta” leads to increased car tab fees and tax hikes—GL rails against Minnesota’s rising cost of living.

  • Joe: “The Democrats want your money. They dream up new ways to take your money. They're gonna get it and they're gonna get your money.” (71:01)

• Extended discussion on perennial school budgeting “crises”:

  • “They don't budget correctly, knowing perfectly well they can play that weeping child card ... They never budget correctly.” (71:52)
  • Mark: “If you don't vote, you're voting against kids!” (72:10)
  • Joe on school boards: “You're liars and you're thieves. I don't care what school district it is. They all do it.” (72:21)

Segment Timestamps:

• [64:47] – Car tab fee formula changes and comparisons
• [71:24] – School budget gaps, administrative bloat, and lack of accountability

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6. Politics Beyond Policy: The Senate Race and Political Identity

(54:14–63:51)

• Discussion turns to the Minnesota Senate race, hypocrisy, and candidate posturing:
  • Angie Craig walks back her support for the Lake and Riley Act (related to illegal immigration) due to pressure from the party base, facing Flanagan in the primary:

    “‘Earlier this month, Craig said she now regrets her vote for the act. I realized standing in front of the Whipple Detention Center looking at semi automatic weapons, that voting to give Trump's ICE any additional authority was a mistake and I regret it.’” (58:54, quoting Craig)

  • Joe’s verdict: “Angie, I would have preferred you. Now you've left me in a quandary. You've just left me in a quandary.” (63:51)
• Both Craig and Flanagan are criticized as career politicians shifting with party winds, with Joe lamenting the lack of genuine choices.

Segment Timestamps:

• [54:14] – Angie Craig vs. Peggy Flanagan in the DFL primary
• [58:54] – Craig’s “walk back” explanation
• [62:57] – Politicians’ empty rhetoric

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “These are not. Minneapolis will never survive with this political setup.” – Joe Soucheray (15:26)
• “Progressives want an outcome that they will determine. Conservatives want an outcome that you determine.” – Joe Soucheray (40:14)
• “I'd rather have a rectal exam than stand there and listen to Jane Fonda. Are you kidding me?” – Joe Soucheray (31:27)
• “Angie, I would have preferred you. Now you've left me in a quandary.” – Joe Soucheray (63:51)
• “What a bunch of BS these people are involved in.” – Joe Soucheray (75:31)
• On Charles Barkley: “He can see. He sees it all. And he calls it the way he sees it. He's a g ler.” – Mark Ellis (30:39)
• “You're liars and you're thieves. I don't care what school district it is. They all do it.” – Joe Soucheray (72:21)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:39 – Minneapolis City Council chaos, global activism vs. local needs
• 10:31 – More on council personalities and issues
• 22:10 – Charles Barkley presidential riff and authenticity
• 34:50 – Listener’s philosophy: why the political divide is unbridgeable
• 39:17 – “Don’t let facts get in the way of your narrative…”
• 42:37 – Hennepin County sheriff funding debate
• 54:14 – Senate primary: Craig vs. Flanagan
• 64:47 – Car tabs, fees, and the state’s fiscal squeeze
• 71:24 – School budget failures, accountability
• 75:31 – “What a bunch of B.S.”

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, sardonic, irreverent—“down the road from Diversityville, but not as far as Liberal Lakes.”
• Frequent asides, personal anecdotes, and inside jokes among long-time friends.
• Political commentary steeped in skepticism of progressivism and bureaucracy.
• Humor interwoven throughout, despite frustration with state and city affairs.

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode is emblematic of Garage Logic’s mix: local politics skewered with a blend of indignation and humor, regular call-backs to personal responsibility and the lost virtues of “Gumption County,” and spirited (occasionally chaotic) banter. At its heart: a longing for common sense, accountability, and leaders built in the Barkley mold—unapologetically forthright, honest, and decent.

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Listen if: You’re weary of political theater and crave blunt, funny, occasionally curmudgeonly analysis of why city life and politics “ain’t what they used to be.” Expect a free-wheeling ride—sometimes off-track, always entertaining.

Transcript

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[Chris Reivers]

Hail the Flashlight King.

[Joe Soucheray]

And now from the mayor's office above the boathouse on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's Garage Logic, with Chris Reivers manning technology corner, Kenny Olson from the Crabby coffee shop, John Height in the newsroom.

[Kenny Olson]

No.

[Joe Soucheray]

And of course the rookie here is your Flashlight King firework and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Joe Susher. I want to play something for you that's so fun. It would be fun if it wasn't so immature.

[Kenny Olson]

Kenny says you don't like fun, so this is going to be.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, I do. I've often complained about the behavior of the Minneapolis City Council regarding their maturity level, for one thing. But we've learned that after we got off the air Friday, we learned that there was a dust up at the Minneapolis City Council.

[Kenny Olson]

Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

Because some of the council people wanted to pass a resolution in favor of Cuba and to divest from any public funding through banks in Belgium. I think that invest in ice. I don't even know what that means.

[Kenny Olson]

Somebody really did some digging is what you're saying.

[Joe Soucheray]

Elizabeth Schaefer proves to be an adult and she wrote a letter to her constituents pointing out that the work of the city is not being done. After this dust up. The fallout from the meeting. This is from the Minneapolis Times gave a clear look at two different versions of what a city council member is supposed to be. On one side, you have Ward 7's Elizabeth Schaefer, who is essentially asking her colleagues to read their own job descriptions. On the other, you have Ward 2's Robin Wansley, who seems to view her seat not as a local office, but as a platform for global activism and anti Trumpism. The contrast between the Post meeting emails to constituents is more than just a difference in vibe. It's a fundamental disagreement on what we, the taxpayers, are actually paying for. While the council actually did some real work this week, this is Schaefer approving 2.8 million in emergency rental assistance and discussing a new police training facility for first responders. None of that made the front page. She's writing to her constituents. What made the front page? The acrimony and rancor over resolutions regarding Cuba and European divestment from ice. Shaffer's frustration is palpable and frankly, it's earned. She noted that during her campaign she heard a consistent message. Residents are tired of a council that performs for an imagined global audience, while the boring stuff like making sure people can walk down the street or afford their property taxes gets treated like an afterthought. Schaeffer did something bold in her email. She actually cited the City of Minneapolis website's list of powers and duties for council members. It's a list that includes things like enacting local laws, managing city finances, assuring orderly growth and development. Notice what isn't on that list. Conducting amateur diplomacy with Caribbean nations or lobbying European financial institutions institutions. Schaeffer's point is the definition of common sense. God bless her. When the council weighs in on every global development over which they have zero authority or influence, they don't look powerful. They look small. They dilute their own voice to the point that when they actually have something important to say about Minneapolis, the rest of the world and many of their own constituents have already tuned them out. Now here is audio, Keeping in mind, apparently, that many of the council members felt slighted that their efforts to vote on a Cuban resolution and divestment of funds was met by other there's about three council members who are adults, Schaefer, Latricia Vita, and perhaps Michael Rainville. The rest of them are children, professional activists who've never done a damn thing. And your city, Minneapolis, is going right down the tubes. Here's the audio. I'm also really disappointed as I'm making comments, hearing my colleagues laugh and make snide remarks. It's extremely disappointing.

[Chris Reivers]

One conversation at a time, please.

[Mark Ellis]

Council President Payne.

[Joe Soucheray]

I really wish you would learn how

[Mark Ellis]

to run a meeting. I'm growing tired of this selective call out of people that somebody Councilmember Chowdhury literally just made a comment that I didn't even know was directed at me because I'm over here writing notes, trying to be quiet for others who are speaking and laughed, I guess, is what she's talking about. You all need to learn how to monitor the entire body and not certain people on the body. I've certainly heard Council Member Wansley today make snarky comments and noises at people when she didn't like how people voted. And the same thing is going on with the tantrum she's having up here because we're not voting like she wants us to.

[Joe Soucheray]

All that was said was one conversation at a time.

[Mark Ellis]

What I say and how I say. If you're going to learn how to run a meeting that would be much appreciated. You need to learn how to talk to people equally, letting your friends say what they want to say they want to say them.

[Joe Soucheray]

You are.

[Mark Ellis]

Because we're not giving her a unanimous vote. That's her problem.

[Joe Soucheray]

As I said, do not ascribe motive.

[Mark Ellis]

All I heard was some cross talk

[Joe Soucheray]

while Council Member Schaefer. What?

[Mark Ellis]

Had the floor listen to the entire meeting and not to the people you want. We're gonna move on and keep me out of it.

[Joe Soucheray]

You don't. Yeah, it's just. It's just. It's a belief show.

[Mark Ellis]

You wouldn't believe Latricia's backstory and from where she came from compared to where she is today.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, I know it is.

[Mark Ellis]

She is a hell of a person. Are you.

[Joe Soucheray]

Is she gonna be on Crabby this week?

[Mark Ellis]

I am so wary of promoting this, Joe, because it's bitten me before. I don't remember ever being this excited to have a guest on. Well, I know I probably say that a lot, actually. Let me just say I'm very, very excited to have Latricia Vita on Crabby this week. Her and Jay have a pretty good relationship, and she cannot wait. And Jay said, can you give us the whole hour? And she said, let's do two hours. And he asked her, are you worried about this causing more friction within the city council? You're coming on with us. And she couldn't care less. She said, it's a colossal shit show.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well. And keep in mind, Gl.

[Mark Ellis]

Shit show is my language. I apologize for that.

[Joe Soucheray]

Keep in mind Galers all over the country. This is typical of what's happening. The closer you get to the country's tallest building. The citizens have surrendered.

[Mark Ellis]

It's insane.

[Joe Soucheray]

They haven't voted for common sense.

[Mark Ellis]

Why are they talking about Cuba? Why did a council member go to Cuba?

[Joe Soucheray]

Wansley. Robin Wansley defended her resolution on Cuba by claiming it was a response to community requests. Let me stop right there.

[Kenny Olson]

I'd like to know who.

[Joe Soucheray]

Because we said the other day that it was time we opened our eyes to the fact that these people aren't elected by accident. They're representing. I was thinking of this over the weekend. I wish I could stop thinking about it, but I think about it a lot. A whole city of go getters has been replaced by a city of people who aren't go getters. And Wansley is probably not lying. She probably hears from the people she represents that we should be doing something about Cuba. These are the people who voted for her. They don't care about Minneapolis. They're not go getters. They don't intend to achieve anything. They don't care about the Success of the city, the commercial success of the city. They're mysterious. So Wansley defended her resolution on Cuba by claiming it was a response to community requests. She argued that because the council has passed resolutions on Iraq, Iraq and Ukraine, it is now a tradition to treat City hall like a mini United Nations. Her logic seems to be, we wasted time on things we can't control in the past. Why should we stop now? But it's her support for the European divestment resolution that really highlights the flight from reality. I'm reading from the Minneapolis Times story that Schaeffer is so worried about. Wansley bragged about supporting a delegation of Minneapolis residents heading to Europe to tell banks how to handle their money. Let's pause and think about that for a second. We have a city with a $2 billion budget under immense strain. We have a police department that is over 100 officers short. We have residents struggling with a cost of living crisis. We have a property tax problem. I'll add some of my own things. And a sitting member of our City council thinks it is a strategic action to spend time and political capital helping of group of people fly to Europe to protest federal immigration performance. It's an attempt to feel important on a global stage because the hard work of fixing a local budget or revitalizing a neighborhood like Uptown is, to borrow Schaeffer's word, boring. These people are not ever going to be useful for the city of Minneapolis.

[Mark Ellis]

Never.

[Joe Soucheray]

And they're getting elected by people who apparently have no intention of ever being useful to the city of Minneapolis.

[Kenny Olson]

What are their aspirations? Do they see a.

[Joe Soucheray]

They have none. That's the point.

[Kenny Olson]

But they don't think they're going to work for DC for the. The Democrats.

[Joe Soucheray]

They don't. They don't have any aspirations, but they have to. Well, the aspirations they have are to be taken care of.

[Mark Ellis]

I think what they're doing, that is their aspirations have nothing to do with Minneapolis or the citizens thereof. It has to do with what they're campaigning for right now. Cuba, global warming, less police.

[Joe Soucheray]

Schaefer got elected. She was a former park board commissioner, right? She got elected, remember, by a. By sections of the city that still functioned with capitalism. She got elected by the Lakes area, Upper the north. What do you call that? Calhoun area, Lake Harriet area, around Lake of the Isles. And she got elected by people who have a vested interest in seeing that the city actually works and performs its duties that it's supposed to. The rest of them got elected by people who have given up being a go getter. They don't have any aspirations. They don't intend to be a go getter. They think it's perfectly natural that Robin Wansley, who is terribly inadequate, should create city council agendas that call for resolutions supporting Cuba and flying to Europe to tell the people in the bank in Belgium how to do their business. These are not. Minneapolis will never survive with this political setup. And I'm speaking to all the cities in the country closest to the tallest buildings. This is what you're all going through, and it's just not going to work. If we bring about their vision, the city will continue to decline and be absolutely nothing for everybody. And I think that's what they want. They want misery shared equally.

[Kenny Olson]

God, how could you not want a great Minneapolis?

[Joe Soucheray]

Because they don't. Greatness to them is recognition of their political identity. It's not commerce. It's not success.

[Mark Ellis]

That's a great question because Wansley represents Ward 2, right? That's far, Far East. Like take Franklin Avenue from the river up to Highway 280. That whole neighborhood up that hill, that's. That's Ward 2. And Schaefer, on the other hand, represents probably the most affluent members of Minneapolis

[Joe Soucheray]

Far west, what's left of affluence in the city, right?

[Mark Ellis]

Like Joe said, Lake of the Isles, Cedar Lake, BDE Makaska, and part of the uptown neighborhood. And those are the people that know how to get business done.

[Joe Soucheray]

And what we used to have were city council people who wanted affluence for everybody.

[Mark Ellis]

Everybody.

[Joe Soucheray]

So they were fighting for their ward in terms of affluence. They weren't fighting for their ward in terms of sending somebody to Europe to bitch about a bank, right?

[Mark Ellis]

But couldn't you see, Joel, somebody in Ward 2 firing off an email to Wansley about Cuba? And that's. I bet that is something they really, really, really care about. But it's none of our business as a city.

[Joe Soucheray]

Minneapolis is local. Needs are not being met.

[Mark Ellis]

Meanwhile, we got homeless walking the freeway. We've got every kind of drug problem imaginable. We got gangs killing each other, cars being ripped off. None of that matters.

[Joe Soucheray]

I guess it cannot be emphasized enough that. See, there's a fly in the ointment. I used to say until last week, it cannot be emphasized enough that Minneapolis has elected the wrong people. But it's more accurate to say that the people Robin Wansley represents in Chugti and shout, hurry. This is what they want. They want those representatives. And they. They. That's why they win. You know, you can throw a G. Eller in the race against Robin Wansley. And Robin Wansley will probably win because the people Robin Wansley represents have basically surrendered. They've given up. They don't have any interest in the success of the city. They've come to think that perhaps the success of the city just results in more oppression of them. And if they don't succeed, it's because they've been oppressed and victimized. Robin Wansley and Chug Tai and Chowdhury, none of them ever worked. None of them ever done anything. They're professional activists from the failed academy, and they don't have any sympathy whatsoever for the people still making a go of it, because they would view that as they're oppressed by a corporate structure, they're oppressed by the. They're oppressed by the very founding of the country. And it's taken us a while to develop this analysis out to its fullest extent, but that's what it is. You've got professional activists from the failed academy who have successfully become attractive to people who've bought the idea that the country was founded by old white guys. Actually, they were in their 20s by white guys 250 years ago, and they never had it right from the beginning. We're right now. We know better, and we think that this is ridiculous. These skyscrapers that were once worth what they're supposed to be worth are no longer worth anything. They're presiding over the destruction of the city which they have set out to conduct, and they're doing it.

[Kenny Olson]

What's the timeline before complete implosion? Ten years, five years ago? Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[Josh Arnold]

Right.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, the complete implosion will always be released related to the presence or lack of presence of law enforcement. And these are also council people who have done nothing to ensure a strong police force.

[Mark Ellis]

And when that implosion comes, mark my words, Matthew, it will be Trump's fault. Yeah, according to them. So wait a, wait a minute. I want to address something you asked earlier. What is. What are their goals? And I was going to ask Joe, do you think part of their goals is to take this activism to a national stage? Do they want to from this. From their seat now on the city council? Do they want to become senators, representatives.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes.

[Mark Ellis]

And work in Washington?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes.

[Mark Ellis]

Well, that's a frightening answer that I wasn't hoping to hear.

[Kenny Olson]

What happens in three years?

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, they've already demonstrated.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

They have no interest in Minneapolis.

[Mark Ellis]

It seems obvious. You know, actually, it's a pretty dumb question because it seems so obvious.

[Joe Soucheray]

This is where they happen to be Sharpening their resume to go off to higher things. And it's a resume that will appeal to their superiors higher up the political ladder, who also share their desire to find this an oppressive, evil country.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah. What do you think of that?

[Kenny Olson]

What do you think? Three years when they have a Democrat president in office, does this soften or do we go more full throttle?

[Joe Soucheray]

Depends who you get. You know, there are reasonable Democrats in the world.

[Kenny Olson]

Right.

[Joe Soucheray]

But the both parties are controlled by the extremes, so I don't know where that leads us. Well, I'd vote for a reasonable Democrat over this cock womble we got as president. But wait a minute.

[Mark Ellis]

That's your turn.

[Kenny Olson]

You gotta reserve that.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, that's Walls's term.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah, you need a new one.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, I gotta come up with a new one. But the. There are reasonable people who could. Could. Who could serve as president. For example, if Charles Barkley announced today that he was running for president, it'd be the last you see of me because I. I would quit the show and I would go. I would go and find him and say, what do you want me to do? I'll do whatever you want me to do.

[Mark Ellis]

The Chuck Party.

[Joe Soucheray]

I find him, you're gonna quit this town. Well, as long as I'm so rapidly veering off topic, I would vote for Charles Barkley. Yes, I love him, but I've been fooled a lot by professional athletes.

[Kenny Olson]

Any guy that says he doesn't want bodyguards because he wants to beat up the people himself, I would vote for it.

[Mark Ellis]

He does. He does, too.

[Joe Soucheray]

Basketball hall of Famer Charles Barkley used a segment about UConn Husky star Alex Caraban. The UConn beat Duke yesterday, fulfilling a national obligation to hate Duke. UConn Husky star Alex Caraban to go on a political rant during the CBS broadcast of the game yesterday.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay.

[Joe Soucheray]

CBS featured Caravan in a piece about his family. His mom, Olga, came to Massachusetts from Ukraine with her parents and grandparents in 1996. His father, Alexei, emigrated to the US from Belarus on a work visa in 2001. After this segment aired, Barclay lamented the alleged treatment of illegal immigrants. I want to be careful with my words right now because this is a really touchy subject for me, he said. I love that kid and his family, but the way some of these other immigrants are getting treated in our country right now is a travesty and a disgrace. I think there's a difference between amazing immigrants and criminal immigrants. I think what's going on in our country, what we're doing to some of these amazing immigrants, is really unfortunate, and it's sad. And that's a great. And that's a great immigrant story. Talk about caravan. We have a lot of great immigrant stories out there, and their stories need to be told. But some of the stuff that's happening to immigrants in our country right now is unfortunate and it's unfair. Immigrants built this country, and we should admire them and respect them. Barclay didn't cite any example of legal immigrants being treated poorly in the US The Department of Homeland Security has routinely announced the arrest of criminal illegal immigrants who have been accused of heinous crimes in the U.S. well, we saw the behavior here.

[Kenny Olson]

Overly aggressive, hidden, and just taking random people if they didn't have any to take.

[Joe Soucheray]

But unlike other people in his field, Barclay says this stuff and it's heartfelt. And he's not BSing.

[Kenny Olson]

Right. He doesn't care. He doesn't care about what people do.

[Joe Soucheray]

He does care. That's the point. He cares, and that distinguishes him in the field he's in. He cares enough that he doesn't care what? Here's what he doesn't care about. He doesn't care if that costs him his job.

[Kenny Olson]

Right? I agree with that.

[Joe Soucheray]

He doesn't care. He's got enough money. It'll last him the rest of his life. And his story is a fascinating story. Raised by his grandmother, but correctly raised well, went to Auburn. Hell of a player. Which tends to be forgotten because you look at him, he just. He's kind of comical. No, he was.

[Kenny Olson]

He was.

[Joe Soucheray]

He was a ferocious rebounder. He was a member of the Olympic Dream Team. He's in the hall of Fame. He was a hell of a player. But he has distinguished himself in the country by being an approachable, decent human.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, you've always said it's rare that a majorly successful athlete gets it. Has the sense of humor, has the engagement, and he gets it.

[Joe Soucheray]

Whatever it is he gets, he gets. Now, I'm not gonna read it, but write this down. G Ellers, if you wanna read something really, really charming, and it has nothing to do with Barclay making it known to the public. Wang. Lin's family made this.

[Mark Ellis]

Lin Wang.

[Joe Soucheray]

Lin Wang. I'm sorry. Lin Wang's family made this available to the public. Just Google Charles Barkley and Lin Wang. L I n. It shouldn't be an incredible story, but it is. And the gist of it is one night in Sacramento. Lin Wang, who is a Chinese cat litter scientist. Are you aware of this story?

[Kenny Olson]

I'm aware of this story, yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

He's a Chinese cat Litter scientist lives in this country. He's dead now. And he and Barclay found themselves the only two people in a hotel bar in Sacramento one night years ago. They ended up talking. The talk went for hours. They became great friends. That's all I'll tell you. You gotta read the story.

[Kenny Olson]

Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's just charming. Do yourself a favor. If you want a little dose of charm to start your week, google Charles Barkley and Lynn Wang. W A N G. I wish I

[Kenny Olson]

could have been a little mouse in that bar sitting over there.

[Joe Soucheray]

But that would have happened if, if, if the other guy in the bar was a white guy who was a cement mixer, Barkley would have. They would have struck up a conversation.

[Mark Ellis]

And doesn't Barkley strike you? Is if you were one of the guys in that bar, you were drinking alone. And doesn't Barkley strike you as a guy that wouldn't leave you alone, that would insist on talking to you even though he wouldn't want you to be alone?

[Joe Soucheray]

You're Charles Barkley.

[Mark Ellis]

I just want to be alone. Well, why do you want to be alone, brother? He would not let me feel alone. Come on.

[Kenny Olson]

Let me buy you a drink.

[Mark Ellis]

Tell me.

[Kenny Olson]

Tell me about it. Tell me why you want to be alone.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, I think this story started the opposite. I think this Lynn guy said, aren't you Charles Barkley? And as long as there was nobody around, Barkley admitted to being Charles Barkley. And then they started talking.

[Mark Ellis]

And so Lynn goes back to his town. I think it's Muscatane, Iowa.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah. He's somewhere in the woods and tells

[Mark Ellis]

his friends and family. And they're like, oh, you are such a storyteller. Come on.

[Kenny Olson]

Good one, Len.

[Mark Ellis]

You can't kid us.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, then no matter. You know, this Wang traveled a lot for his business. So if he happened to be in a city where Barclay was, they would get together. I told you I wasn't going to tell you the whole story. Anyway, Barclay shows up unannounced at his funeral. And again, Barclay never made any of this public. Wang's family did. Right.

[Mark Ellis]

He still hasn't, by the way. Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

So where were we? Man, did we get off track. We were at Robin Wesley as a moron.

[Kenny Olson]

If Charles Barkley ran and then you grabbed that. Oh, I, I, we talked about the future. What? Democrats. A Democratic president.

[Joe Soucheray]

I don't know what Charles Barkley would run at. There was talk of him running for governor of Alabama. I don't know why that that disappeared. Maybe there's no money in it. Just said the Hell with it. I'm not doing it. But I. I'd vote for Charles Barkley in a heartbeat. As I said, though, I preface this by saying I've been fooled before. Tiger woods was the greatest fooler of me of all time.

[Kenny Olson]

He got you good. He got me really good.

[Mark Ellis]

It takes a lot of chutzpah to come out publicly as either a. A rock and roller or a actor or a sports person. As a conservative. Don't you think it takes a lot of balls to be a conservative? Yes, these days.

[Joe Soucheray]

But see, Barkley's not. What Barkley is, is a G ler.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

He can see. He sees it all. And he calls it the way he sees it. He's a g ler.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

The country used to be full of G lers. The only ones left, about 5 to 10 million. Listen to this show.

[Kenny Olson]

Yes. A lot of pilots. A lot of pilots.

[Joe Soucheray]

A lot of pilots are conservative. Fruitcake.

[Kenny Olson]

I was stopped by one of the maintenance guys the other day.

[Joe Soucheray]

By fruitcakes. I mean, they've bought the Kool Aid. They're on the. You know, they drank the Trump Kool Aid. I don't know how anyone came.

[Mark Ellis]

There goes that.

[Kenny Olson]

There goes that. Sorry, pilots.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, how can anyone look at this guy, this behavior, and think this is normal?

[Mark Ellis]

Did you have a lot of fun at the Kings rally this weekend where

[Kenny Olson]

you ran off in favor?

[Joe Soucheray]

I'd rather have a rectal exam than stand there and listen to Jane Fonda. Are you kidding me?

[Kenny Olson]

I just. I just.

[Joe Soucheray]

I did take the CP down to show she couldn't go, but she had to be a part of it.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay. Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

So I took her down to the end of Summit and Kellogg.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

So she could see the crowd. Like taking a patient from the home. See the crowd. See the crowd. And they say, okay, now we're gon.

[Kenny Olson]

Please get your back, Mom.

[Mark Ellis]

Strike me as somebody with low self esteem. I can't believe that she would fall for that. Because all those people seemed like they were just there to comfort the afflicted each other. Wasn't that rally. It was just meant to show the. To make everybody feel better.

[Kenny Olson]

I think everybody went there to see just what's going on.

[Joe Soucheray]

She enjoys the spirited response.

[Mark Ellis]

Okay.

[Joe Soucheray]

In opposition to what she sees in Washington.

[Mark Ellis]

The Dennis Kirk Johnny Smith bike show was at River Center.

[Joe Soucheray]

Could you even get to it?

[Mark Ellis]

And I expected news of a big clash, but I think the bikers stayed indoors and tried to avoid these people at all costs. I didn't hear of any big fights or clashes.

[Joe Soucheray]

The Traffic was incredible. The crowd probably did hit 100,000. Now, that's a Sheriff Kermit Hedman number. He used to say 100,000 people turned out for the Grande Parade at the winter Carnival. And they're, you know, 12 people. Right. But the only way to get there really was on a bicycle.

[Kenny Olson]

What did we accomplish, though?

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Nobody left there with any differing opinion.

[Mark Ellis]

Right.

[Kenny Olson]

And more knowledge than when they came. They just. They're anti Trump.

[Mark Ellis]

They're just there to make each other feel better.

[Joe Soucheray]

I think they felt better. I think they just.

[Kenny Olson]

Which is my. My thing is they went there just to see what's going on.

[Mark Ellis]

I had two shots of tequila and I felt better.

[Joe Soucheray]

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[Mark Ellis]

You're right. That should be a write in option. That would be fun just to see the count.

[Joe Soucheray]

I got a letter from Carlton Smee, who's a pastor in the high desert of California. And I think he's writing something very Gl here, but I'm not sure I understand it. So maybe you can all listen.

[Kenny Olson]

Why are you looking at me?

[Joe Soucheray]

I know that's a mistake. Maybe. Maybe you can all listen to it and help me understand why progressives and conservatives can't talk to each other. Witness the Minneapolis City Council. Good day, Joe and gang Lenten blessings to you Besides being a pastor here in the high desert of California, I also teach philosophy and ethics at our local community college. What I find I have to do for my ethics students is to help them with two things. One, the difference between descriptive and normative ethics, and two, the difference between consequentialism and basically all other ethical theories with me so far?

[Kenny Olson]

Yep.

[Joe Soucheray]

First, descriptive ethics is exactly what it is. It tells you what people are doing, but makes no judgment about what is good or bad about it. This is where our failed academy students get caught up into relativism and other things because they think because people are doing certain things. We can't make decisions about what is good or not. Normative Ethics actually makes a decision. It brings the norm to ethics. What is the right thing? What is the good thing? What ought we to do? Most of us hate ought because it tells us we are kind of screwed. Secondly, and this is the bigger of the two, is that the difference between a more conservative person versus a more progressive person is consequentialism versus relationalism.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay, hang on here. Yeah, okay, you're losing me, but keep going.

[Joe Soucheray]

Progressives don't even pipe up anymore if you get lost. Yeah, just settle down. Progressives are by nature consequential. Consequentialists, as you have seen said, those that are progressive tend to not like people because people can get in the way of progress towards a certain end. Witness the Minneapolis City Council. When you are a consequentialist, all you care about is outcome. You are seeking a particular goal or consequence, and whatever it takes to get there is all that matters. In some extremes, this could permit fraud if it brings about a more equitable society. If this means racism in order to provide a leg up for people of a particular skin color, who cares? That's equity. It means that you hate ICE as an organization, give no money. The people who make up DHS matter, not because you want ICE as a group to be gone. This is why communism leads to authoritarianism. Because the outcome of the utopian society or the perfect place matters more. More than the people. Ah, I think I'm getting this now. The organization and bureaucracy mean more than anything, including people, because the outcome is what matters most. Most conservative folks tend to look at the person and want life and flourishing to be theirs. They want the world to look a certain way as well, but tend to want it to be one in which we have the free will to choose, to be and to become who we desire. The reason that two sides cannot talk to each other and will probably never be able to is that one wants an outcome, people be damned and the other wants people outcomes becoming whatever they will be. Just a thought from the service road of life. Have a blessed holy week. Thank you, sir. I get it now. That's brilliant. I understand now you, everybody get it. Because I can, I can redo the important sentence.

[Mark Ellis]

I dumbed it down. One of them was don't let facts get in the way of your narrative. Right.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, the outcome.

[Mark Ellis]

No, I mean early on you said something and that's what clicked in my. My, my brain. Don't let facts get in the way of narrative. Don't let people get in the way of your goal.

[Joe Soucheray]

Right, Right.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

The progressives are seeking an outcome.

[Mark Ellis]

Yes.

[Kenny Olson]

At all cost. Doesn't matter what.

[Joe Soucheray]

And it doesn't. People really don't figure into the outcome. If the outcome they desire is this so called perfect society, which is communism we've seen that's a falsehood. It doesn't work. Whereas conservatives want people to determine their own outcome, whatever that outcome happens to be there. I dumbed it down. About as dumb as you can make it.

[Kenny Olson]

That's my lcd.

[Joe Soucheray]

Progressives. Progressives want an outcome that they will determine. Conservatives want an outcome that you determine.

[Kenny Olson]

That's about as.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm conservative.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are.

[Joe Soucheray]

Progressives want an outcome. Robin Wansley wants an outcome. Chug tie chowdhury. They want outcomes that they're going to determine. And the people voting for them apparently have either been tricked or they buy that bs. Elizabeth Schaefer, speaking for her, wants an outcome that you determine, which is what

[Kenny Olson]

America was based on.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'll take the outcome that people determine. Mysterians don't like people. People get in the way of the outcome they want for them. And that comes to us from the high desert of California.

[Kenny Olson]

How do we get this message out?

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, we do every day here.

[Mark Ellis]

I'm not really down with people. I don't like people.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, but you're a hermit.

[Mark Ellis]

But I am conservative.

[Joe Soucheray]

There's a different.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, but it's for different reasons that you don't want to hang.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, plus he's lying.

[Kenny Olson]

So you're like Ling Yang sitting at the bar.

[Mark Ellis]

Most people conservative.

[Joe Soucheray]

You're. You're lying. You're lying.

[Mark Ellis]

Here you.

[Kenny Olson]

He's got a lot of money.

[Joe Soucheray]

You love people. Love people.

[Kenny Olson]

No, he's. I mean about the money.

[Mark Ellis]

He's got a lot of money. I don't want to have any money. I've got my tax return.

[Kenny Olson]

There it is. That's. That's Already spent.

[Joe Soucheray]

I. I don't have one. I. I'm still waiting to hear. I don't have. I have no news. Are we getting close? Aren't we? This is 30th of March. What a lovely day we had yesterday.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, it was great outside.

[Joe Soucheray]

What a lovely day we're having today. And then you get snow the rest of the week.

[Kenny Olson]

I cleaned up the patio yesterday.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm very happy for you, and thanks for that. Later in the week. The twins open here Friday. Is it Friday or Thursday? It's Friday, and it sounds like it could be raining or snowing, but 40s in the 40s.

[Kenny Olson]

They'll probably play Good Friday, little rainy Saturday, a holy Saturday, a little rainy and then should be 48 or 50 degrees and somewhat sunny on Easter.

[Joe Soucheray]

Are you familiar with a Hennepin county commissioner named Marion Green?

[Mark Ellis]

Well, as of last year, last Friday, I became aware of her, yes.

[Kenny Olson]

I'm not.

[Joe Soucheray]

Boy, I just don't know what to think here. Marion Green is a former legislator. She's a Hennepin county commissioner, and she's criticizing the Hennepin County Sheriff's office for going over budget by 11 million. And, you know, part of me is thinking, well, that's good, Scott. Or I said, let's insist on you people in the public class getting your budgets together. The public schools, we'll get to them in a moment. They've never created a budget that works right. Well, there's a growing controversy in Hennepin county, where at a meeting this week, a county commissioner, Marion Greene, openly questioned the sheriff's department role in public safety, saying that she's not willing to fund the sheriff to provide public safety for Hennepin County. That's. That's a pretty strong belief, isn't it? The comments were so concerning that more than 40 police chiefs and mayors penned a letter to the county stressing the importance the department plays in public safety. The Hennepin County Sheriff's office ran over budget by 11 million last year, and a couple of different commissioners said they will be scrutinizing the sheriff's budget more closely.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay.

[Joe Soucheray]

But commissioner Marion Green, she just cut to the chase. She said, why do we need a sheriff's department anyway? I want us to look and reconsider the community ambitions for the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office when it is not funded to provide public safety for Hennepin County. She said Commissioner Heather Edelson spoke up to defend the sheriff, who is Dewana Witt, by the way.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay.

[Joe Soucheray]

Public safety is one of the Number one things that constituents in my community care about this is Edelson. It's not all on the sheriff for having a budget that goes above because the needs of change, edelson said, to which Commissioner Green responded that she plans to reread the law that establishes the role of the sheriff's office. Because I know something that I've heard repeatedly over the last 12 years of service is that the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office is not actually responsible for public safety on the streets. That's the responsibility of police departments, greece said.

[Mark Ellis]

That's where I wish she would have taken a break. Just a pause. Where have you heard that? And from who or whom?

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, she seems to intimate that she's going to reread the law to maybe corroborate what she believes.

[Mark Ellis]

What she goes on to say is the bulk of the biggest bit of stupidity I've ever heard. Do you have the quote?

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, I think I do. Greene said. Her understanding is that the sheriff is supposed to run the jail, transport inmates to court, provide water patrol and policing for small towns that don't have their own police.

[Mark Ellis]

Sure.

[Joe Soucheray]

Even after Edelson read straight from the law what else the sheriff is required to do, Green responded. Let me turn the page here. Okay, Green responded. I'm going to reveal my cards. I'm not willing to fund the sheriff to provide public safety for Hennepin County. I don't think something. I don't think that is something that the office can take on and do well. Really? But 42 police chiefs and mayors in Hennepin county signed a letter saying the sheriff, in fact does do that well. The services they provide supplement everything we do in law enforcement, and there is no way we can do our jobs effectively if we didn't have them as a partner, said Plymouth Police Chief Eric Fadden. Hennepin County Sheriff Dewana Witt in a statement called Green statements concerning saying I would say they're concerning saying the sheriff's role in public safety is not optional and written and is written into law. Greene would not answer questions about her statements or explain her position on the sheriff's role in Hennepin County. I've been reading from a piece from 5 Eyewitness News. There's one thing about Greene I admire.

[Mark Ellis]

What?

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, let me. Let me put it into context. Okay. I don't admire her position on this, but if she's of a mind to look at the horrible redundancy in government, there's a million places to look before she goes after a sheriff's Department. If only we had a legislator with a mind to capture and eliminate the redundancy in the state government level, we'd all be better off. I've told you, I've been playing this dropdown game on the Department of Human Services website. And? And we are swamped in redundant, unaccountable problems. Too many agencies not doing the same thing right now. Here comes Marion Green, a former legislator. She's a Hennepin county commissioner, and she's got it a little wrong. If, in fact, she was motivated by seeking out redundancy, she picked the wrong target. The Sheriff's department is 100% needed and thoroughly effective in Minneapolis. And I don't know where she got it stuck in her brain that they

[Kenny Olson]

were just supposed to bring bread and water to the county jail for your prisoners.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Mark Ellis]

Do you think it's her proximity, her zone, or her district, excuse me, is St. Louis Park. And parts of downtown and southwest Minneapolis. Do you think she'd feel different if she was way out west in one of these small communities she mentions?

[Joe Soucheray]

To understand how she feels, she's going to have talk to talk to us more. She's going to have to talk to the public more and explain this ridiculous position.

[Mark Ellis]

She's taken three terms, 12 years, right?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah. I think she went to a really prized failed academy, too. I want to say Swarthmore. You could look it up. But I think it's Swarthmore. Did you want to do that? Yeah, do that. I just. Gabe, the High side.

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[Joe Soucheray]

And now we're back. Yeah. Doesn't Kenny want to do something? That's up to Kenny, I guess, isn't it?

[Mark Ellis]

I'm just gonna boast. I mean, if you want to listen to me boast, I do want to hear you both. I don't think I've bragged about this yet, but I've got a new method that I've tried out here for about half a year. I've tried all the methods. I'm talking here, of course, about sea foam and waking your cylinders up and putting them to bed. My new method. Well, let's start with what I've covered before.

[Kenny Olson]

I've.

[Mark Ellis]

I've tried to just put them away wet and dirty, leaving them gas.

[Joe Soucheray]

Can I give you your boast ahead of time? My brother called me and said, tell Kenny.

[Mark Ellis]

Tell me what I do.

[Joe Soucheray]

For three straight years. I put my little scooter away fully treated with seafoam. Yesterday, he unveiled it. He opened the storage garage, got the scooter out.

[Mark Ellis]

Is that carburetor. Is it carbureted?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes.

[Mark Ellis]

Okay. The reason I think I've been having issues is with. I run these greasy triples, these snowmobiles, and there's three carburetors on these things. And I've tried all the methods, and I get really nervous about leaving gas in there, and I'm worried about what's in the float bowl. So what I've been doing is I dump a whole lot of seafoam into the tank. I run the engine for five minutes, then I get out this really cool cipher little machine. Cost me, I don't know, 20 bucks. Drain all the gas out of the tank, and then I start it up again. And when I hear it starting to high idle with two strokes, that means you're running out of gas, I kill it. Because I'm reassuring myself now with that high idle, that the float bowl is almost empty.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Mark Ellis]

And so far, I'm glad You understand what I'm saying, Matthew? So far that system has worked for me. But you got to remember, if you're going to do the Kenny method and you've got a two stroke, as soon as you hear that high idle start, you got to shut it down. You don't want to suck air. Sucking air is the enemy of two strokes.

[Joe Soucheray]

You get a high idle with four stroke.

[Mark Ellis]

Oh, do you? Yeah, I'm never worried about that because they have their own oil capacity. The oil isn't in the gas.

[Kenny Olson]

So true. Yeah.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah. And you know what? If you don't believe me and you don't trust me, here's a. Here's a more safer tip. Log on to seafoamworks.com. follow their advice. That website is actually a gold mine of all the helpful tips for all the proper usage of seafoam products. A wonderful, wonderful product in a world of bad gas. Seafoam.

[Joe Soucheray]

If I can find this. Yeah, where's the tree one? We were just talking about that. I can't find it. Damn it.

[Kenny Olson]

He's never had a relationship with the tree.

[Joe Soucheray]

A man who has never had a relationship with a tree. Joe Sushire.

[Kenny Olson]

I will tell you folks that this fine segment on Garage Logic is brought to you by the fine folks, Mr. Bilski and the crew at the North American Banking Company. Find them [e-mail].

[Joe Soucheray]

that's it.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah. Thanks, Mr. Bilski.

[Joe Soucheray]

Angie Craig is in the fight of her life. Huh? Running against Peggy Flanagan for a Senate seat.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, that's up for grabs, as we say in the business.

[Joe Soucheray]

I did not witness it, but I was told that Flanagan at the no Kings event spoke in her native tongue. She spoke in Ojibwe, and no one understood it, except maybe fellow Ojibwe.

[Kenny Olson]

Maybe when she finished, she said what? Gabe?

[Joe Soucheray]

Meguchi. Migwich.

[Kenny Olson]

Megwich.

[Joe Soucheray]

Megwich. We used to have a caller that did that. Sam Hawk would do that to us. Well, there's two months left until the DFL's party nominating convention that'll be in Rochester this year, in case you want to go.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay, right down 52.

[Joe Soucheray]

And it's the Flanagan has moved ahead of Craig in the polling, even though Craig has considerably more money than Flanagan. But what Craig is now doing.

[Kenny Olson]

This is for Senate, correct?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah. Craig is walking back her support for the Lake and Riley Act. The Lake and Riley act is named for the nursing student in Georgia who was murdered by a. An illegal immigrant. And the act calls for illegals to be held in jail if they've been arrested for anything, theft and above. And that would have presumably prevented this fellow who killed Lake and Riley, that would have prevented him from being available to kill her. And Craig was one of 46 House Democrats who voted, it was a very bipartisan success story to create the Lake and Riley act. And she was one of 46 House Democrats who voted for it a year ago in January of 2025. But then she's reading the tea leaves now and she sees that this Flanagan, who's a dreadful character is making some headway by her complete opposition to anything that would resemble anything serious as it might affect an illegal immigrant so much less arresting them. So Craig is trying to back off and now try to pretend that she really didn't support the Lake and Riley Act.

[Kenny Olson]

Is she being called out by Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan?

[Joe Soucheray]

I would prefer Angie Craig over Peggy Flanagan, but Angie's just showing the complete lack of character here that these power hungry people people end up letting destroy themselves.

[Mark Ellis]

How in the hell can you live with yourself?

[Joe Soucheray]

Why don't you just stick with it? Angie, it was. You're okay. You were one of 46 Democrats who joined the vote to pass it. This is pathetic.

[Kenny Olson]

How do you backpedal after you voted to pass it?

[Joe Soucheray]

And then she said, you know, I was. I do think I could have done more sooner. Meaning, Meaning whatever. This is an opportunity for us. Oh, this is Flanagan talking. I would rather be me in this race. Craig said because since I got into this race, my internal polling showed that we gained 10 points on the lieutenant governor. Craig has 3.8 million. Flanagan has 810 grand. A lot of party insiders say that Flanagan has an edge in getting the party endorsed by. But Craig says even if she loses the endorsement, she will stay in the race until the August primary.

[Kenny Olson]

Has there been any type of endorsement from governor?

[Joe Soucheray]

He's not telling me here? This is an Esme Murphy piece. Could somebody look this up for me on the CBS website Channel 4? Because the printer has obscured the paragraph I most need and that's why Craig, Craig is saying something about her vote now and I'm missing that part. I didn't think the printer would miss that, but it did. So just go to the 4 website and there should be real easy to find a piece about Angie Craig walking back her support for the lake.

[Mark Ellis]

And I've got something from today at 5:30.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, we need to read the part about what excuse Craig walks back. Yeah, I got. It's about the fifth paragraph down.

[Mark Ellis]

I realized earlier this morning, month since standing in front of The Whipple Detention Center?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, something like that. Earlier this month, Craig said she now

[Mark Ellis]

regrets her vote for the act. I realized standing in front of the Whipple Detention center looking at semi automatic weapons, that voting to give Trump's ICE any additional authority was a mistake and I regret it. She would rather have criminals doing criminal things than support anything that would give Trump's ICE any authority.

[Joe Soucheray]

ICE behave poorly here. Like bare skin wearing goth storming through the cities. But that has come on. That has nothing to do with the Lake and Riley Act.

[Mark Ellis]

Nothing at all.

[Joe Soucheray]

Nothing.

[Mark Ellis]

Nothing.

[Kenny Olson]

The nominating convention eight weeks away. Polls show in mid January that Flanagan at 45% and Craig at 42%. Another poll by Public Policy Polling showed Flanagan up by 13%.

[Joe Soucheray]

So Craig must be saying to herself, and she's welcome on the show, by the way.

[Kenny Olson]

She said she'd come on. She told me personally.

[Mark Ellis]

Then Booker here, decipher this paragraph. This is Angie. I would rather be me in this race because since I got into this race race, my internal polling shows that we gained 10 points on the lieutenant governor. What does she mean by I would rather be me? Is she saying that she wasn't her when she cast this vote?

[Joe Soucheray]

No, I just think she'd rather be her than Flanagan.

[Kenny Olson]

My question is, Peggy Flanagan has been very in the background. How are these people saying they're gonna vote for her as a senator when we don't really know?

[Joe Soucheray]

As far as I'm concerned, Flannigan has been a distinct part of the fraud problem. She knew it.

[Kenny Olson]

She's getting a free.

[Joe Soucheray]

Walsh knew it.

[Kenny Olson]

She's getting a free passport.

[Joe Soucheray]

No one's questioning her. But Angie, Craig should be all over her on the fraud deal. But here's the deal with Craig. Craig is Craig saying to herself, you know, in order to get more votes, I have to pretend that I didn't care about the Lake and Riley Act. What a bunch of bs.

[Mark Ellis]

That's it. Exactly.

[Joe Soucheray]

What a bunch of bs. Yeah. Does anyone have any determination?

[Kenny Olson]

And she say that to Lake and Riley's family sitting in front of them.

[Joe Soucheray]

You were one of 46 Democrats. You've got cover for your vote, Craig. You all saw the light and now you're pretending that, oh, I didn't know Trump was as bad as he is. Of course you did. But at the time, the lat the act made sense and it still does. So who are you kidding? Changing your mind?

[Mark Ellis]

No credibility.

[Joe Soucheray]

And the shame of it is assigning no credibility to Craig doesn't make me feel any better about Peggy Flanagan.

[Mark Ellis]

That's the problem.

[Joe Soucheray]

Now you've just really created a hornet's nest, Craig. You had something going for yourself and you're willing to blow it to stay in power so you can move through the fast line in airports when you fly. What a bunch of bs. God almighty. Are any of these people Charles Barkley?

[Kenny Olson]

Charles Barkley? Oh, man, he's not terrible.

[Joe Soucheray]

This is. This is just typical what happens to these people.

[Mark Ellis]

I have to. I have to read you something that Flanagan said in this piece because.

[Joe Soucheray]

Where are you reading from?

[Mark Ellis]

CBS News this morning.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's where I'm getting it.

[Mark Ellis]

This is Flanagan. As you know, this is. Towards the very end, Joe, as you know, this was coming to light. Of course, I expressed real concern. Again, this is Flanagan talking about the fraud. And I do think that more could have been. Or no, here, let me redo that. And now do I think that more could have been done sooner? Absolutely. But now I think. Is this the opportunity for us to move forward? Yes. She said when asked about the mass.

[Joe Soucheray]

She is.

[Kenny Olson]

So forget about the fraud, Joe. Let's go for it. Come on.

[Joe Soucheray]

Come on.

[Chris Reivers]

We're going up.

[Joe Soucheray]

She's a vacuous, useless tool for the party. She has nothing. Great word.

[Mark Ellis]

Nothing for the vacuous party.

[Joe Soucheray]

She's just. She's just an empty suit. It's just terrible. Peggy, you had as much to do with fraud as your boss. That cockwamble who you. He made eyes at you too. I could tell he was making.

[Kenny Olson]

That's why he felt so betrayed when she was redecorating the office.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, he was making either. Gross. But. But Peggy Flanagan. Are you kidding me? What is that? What? Well, anyway, Angie, I would have preferred you. Now you've left me in a quandary. You've just left me in a quandary.

[Mark Ellis]

Hi, I'm Peggy Flanagan. I'm running for the. From the vacuous party.

[Joe Soucheray]

Hi, I'm Peggy Flanagan. I didn't do a damn thing about fraud. And I'm pretty much an empty stranger sued. Hi, I'm Angie Craig, and I voted for the Lincoln Riley Act. But in order to get your vote here in Minnesota, I'll pretend that I didn't like it at all. Where's your choice there? Where's your choice? I drive a jeep down to Lakeville.

[Mark Ellis]

I drive an international scout together.

[Joe Soucheray]

Peggy Flanagan says I don't have a license. I can't drive. Oh, this is terrible. This is just terrible. This is terrible.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, man, it's terrible.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, man, it's terrible.

[Kenny Olson]

I can't believe Peggy Fanning. It's terrible. Andrew Craig, Backpedal.

[Joe Soucheray]

What was the big what was the big dust up about our license tabs?

[Kenny Olson]

We're trying to get the depreciation didn't

[Joe Soucheray]

was higher or the depreciation's fault.

[Kenny Olson]

They kept a higher depreciation. They wouldn't let it depreciate over two years. I'm not sure what the years were, but they held it at 90 and it could have gone down to 80.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, John Phelan at the American Experiment had a great piece. One of the ways the DFL's historic trifecta. You were part of that, Peggy, of 2023. One of the ways it hit Minnesotans in the pocket was hiking car tab fees. The hike has generated some recent comment CBS News reported. If you have a newer car, you may be in for some sticker shock when you renew your license tabs. That's because the formula for calculating fees has changed due to a 2023 bill. So when they were riding high with the trifecta and blowing the surplus and building a new office building, they ladled on money wherever they could find it didn't. Yes, they really did. If your car is less than five years old, you could even be seeing tab prices go up year after year.

[Kenny Olson]

If that happens, I would go ape.

[Joe Soucheray]

The new formula means that the average driver paid 178 bucks in registration taxes this year. That's a 20% increase. But the 2023 bill didn't just change the state's overall formula for calculating license tab fees. It also changed the way it calculates the depreciation of your vehicle. To which I would wonder right off the bat, what do legislators have to they have no knowledge about depreciating.

[Kenny Olson]

Why would they waste their time?

[Joe Soucheray]

The state calculates that your new car loses 5% of its value a year. So 10% over two years. The Kelly Blue Book estimates that over two years the average new car loses. This is 30% of it.

[Kenny Olson]

Try that at the dealership. Hey, it's only two years old. It's lost 5%.

[Joe Soucheray]

My state representative told me that I haven't lost any money on this car.

[Kenny Olson]

You're gonna buy it.

[Joe Soucheray]

Look what I paid for tabs. On Tuesday, the Star Tribune put these fees into context. It's difficult to compare tab fees across the state. Some have flat fees, but many, like Minnesota, across states, not this state. Some have flat fees, but many, like Minnesota, have a combination of different changes, some of which which use sliding scales based on vehicle weight, age or other factors.

[Kenny Olson]

Unreal.

[Joe Soucheray]

But One recent comparison of nine Western states by the National Conference of State Legislatures found they range from 50 bucks to over 500 bucks, putting Minnesota well into the higher range. A calculator maintained by the Wisconsin Department of Transportation that compares driving related taxes and fees for dozens of different vehicles in that state compared to Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois and Michigan found that Wisconsin typically had the lowest in Minnesota, often the highest. The 2023 type trifecta season also hiked the gas tank gas tax from 28.5 cents per gallon to 32.6 cents per gallon, 4 cents. According to the Tax Foundation. Minnesota's gas tax went from 26 highest in the country in 2021 to the 22nd highest in the country right now. With these hikes in fees and taxes on driving, the DFL made Minnesota less affordable than its neighbors to help hard squeeze Minnesotans with affordability, Representative Patty Anderson, a Republican, offered House File 3562, a bill that would change the state's tax calculation formula for vehicle purchase and registration administration. By increasing tab fees 22% and changing the depreciation schedule. We have made things incredibly unaffordable for people in Minnesota, anderson told the House Transportation Finance and Policy Committee. This bill brings the depreciation schedule back to what it was. If we are serious about making Minnesota affordable, this is something that we should be serious about doing. Doing well. They didn't. All the Democrats voted to keep the tabs high in addition to lowering the base rate from 1.575% to 1.285% of the manufacturer's suggested retail price, or from 1.54% to 1.25% for vehicles registered in the state before Nov. 16, 2020. The bill would create a devaluation schedule that sets out decline portions of the base rate as the vehicle ages. Sadly, as the Minnesota House reports, the bill could not get started in the House Transportation Finance and Policy Committee, falling on a tie vote. Every single Republican on the committee voted for the bill and every single DFLER voted against it. And as the House and committee are evenly balanced, that was enough to block its passage. If you voted YES for this bill, you're cutting teachers pay. Oh my God, you're cutting home healthcare pay, said Brad Tabke, DFL co chair of the committee.

[Mark Ellis]

That's a dude from Shakopee, right?

[Joe Soucheray]

Former mayor Minnesotans need solutions to affordability issues they face, not non solutions like an expanded child care tax credit, new limits on grocery store price gouging and corporate ownership of single family homes. This bill would have been A step in that direction. And we hope it gets another chance. It won't. The Democrats want your money. They dream up new ways to take your money. They're gonna get it and they're gonna get your money.

[Mark Ellis]

I love how he turns it around though and makes and places the blame on the people that want less taxes.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, I was gonna get to it.

[Mark Ellis]

It's our fault that the teachers are going hungry. Good Lord.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's just. I'm sorry. I have so much news for us all today.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah, Tab keys from Shakopee. He's a representative for the Democrats. I. I believe he's been blocked on my Twitter account count

[Joe Soucheray]

on Tuesday. Last Tuesday, the Minneapolis school board approved a tentative budget across the Minneapolis public school system aimed at trimming $75 million gap in funding. But we face this every single year.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Are you ever going to catch on to this voters? They don't. They budget incorrectly, knowing perfectly well they can play that weeping child card. We got a gap and you'll vote to increase your own taxes. They never budget correctly.

[Mark Ellis]

If you don't vote, you're voting against. What you're doing here is you're voting against kids.

[Joe Soucheray]

You're hurting children.

[Mark Ellis]

You hate kids.

[Kenny Olson]

Meanwhile, the administration, which was contractual, they get their raises and it doesn't include

[Joe Soucheray]

you're liars and you're thieves. I don't care what school district it is. They all do it. We'll have to cut hundreds of full time positions. Well, you might as well because your student body is shrinking rapidly.

[Kenny Olson]

Dwindling class sizes.

[Joe Soucheray]

This goes on to say the district faced a grand total operating budget. A deficit of 95 million. Excellent. Who do they hire to do these budgets? Morons.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, people that say let's shoot for the moon. And the old labor trick.

[Joe Soucheray]

You people don't know how to budget.

[Kenny Olson]

We want 100 grand more. You know what we really only need? We'll settle for 75.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, we have to reduce structural gaps and reliance on one time funds. They always got BS language to go with you. We need to prioritize students and continue student funding programs. Why don't you budget correctly then?

[Kenny Olson]

Right.

[Joe Soucheray]

According to district documents, the budget creates no elimination of direct student programs or services. Okay. They're actually proud of themselves because previous estimates had the the budget gap at 110 million. They got it down to 95. On the same day the Minneapolis school board approved their budget, Minnesota lawmakers approved a $66 billion statewide budget as well. That'll turn to provide. That will in turn provide additional funding in all subsequent years. Look, there's somebody in the. That's employed by the state or is paid by the taxpayers to budget for the Minneapolis public school system. That's their job. They fail every year. Are they ever held accountable?

[Kenny Olson]

Never.

[Joe Soucheray]

Does any parent ever go to a school board meeting and say, who was responsible for creating this budget?

[Mark Ellis]

No.

[Joe Soucheray]

Mr. Fred Smith was. Well, have you fired Mr. Fred Smith?

[Mark Ellis]

Well, is it one individual, Joe, or is it a collective body?

[Joe Soucheray]

I think it would come down to a collective body talking about it and one individual creating the paperwork. An accountant would have to come up with, here's the budget. And then that's probably shown to the. To the school board, and they go, okay. And then it fails. It fails every single year.

[Mark Ellis]

We're going to blow through that in six months. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Why don't you budget correctly, promise less and deliver more.

[Mark Ellis]

Well, I don't think you understand. We had some unforeseen expenses come.

[Joe Soucheray]

So have I, but I don't get to turn to anybody.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

What a bunch of BS these people are involved in.

[Mark Ellis]

How many times have you said that today? What a bunch of. I think you said that a dozen

[Joe Soucheray]

times, surrounded by BS.

[Mark Ellis]

We are. We are drowning in.

[Joe Soucheray]

Drowning in it.

[Mark Ellis]

Yes, we are.

[Joe Soucheray]

Every single year you fail to meet your budget. Well, then find somebody that can do a budget. And you come to the public every single year and say, we failed in again. But you don't say that. You say we have some structural differences with unforeseen problems.

[Mark Ellis]

Wow. That is.

[Joe Soucheray]

Follow that.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay.

[Joe Soucheray]

I thought you failed at the budget. Oh, no, no. We didn't fail the budget. We had unforeseen circumstances. We discovered mold in one of the schools. The Acme Elementary School is full of mold. We did not foresee that. And we need $42 million for mold removal.

[Kenny Olson]

When's the last time you fixed it up?

[Joe Soucheray]

We never fixed it up.

[Mark Ellis]

Budget failed us. We did not fail.

[Joe Soucheray]

We don't fail. No BS B as in B S as in.

[Mark Ellis]

I've got something you need to put into your budget. Right now, here, today, 50, 56 degrees where I am 65 in the Twin Cities right now. In my mind's eye, every single GL or you guys and gals, you're not working right now. You're sitting on your deck. You're looking at your yard.

[Josh Arnold]

You're.

[Mark Ellis]

You're going, yeah, the crab grass, the weeds, the dandelions. Won't be long, and they'll be up and attacking your yard. So what are you going to do about it. This year you're going to finally take my advice. You're going to go to professionalturf.com the best lawn on the block is a click away. ProfessionalTurf.com don't let the weeds win this year. Get get in touch with Pro Turf, have one of their seasoned techs come out to your place, take a look around and then come up with a program just made for only your lawn. It's a, it's a program of slow release fertilizer and weed killer, both liquid and granular, that's going to keep the weeds at bay and give you the best lush lawn on the block. It's just a click away, that beautiful lush lawn. Click on to professionalturf.com Reaver's here.

[Chris Reivers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[Kenny Olson]

Exactly.

[Joe Soucheray]

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[Mark Ellis]

How was it powered?

[Joe Soucheray]

It was probably by that big mill

[Kenny Olson]

with that giant saw that had the belt on it.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wouldn't it be water powered?

[Mark Ellis]

That's what I was hoping you would see. Yeah, I was hoping it would be a big water wheel.

[Kenny Olson]

Yes. Thank you.

[Joe Soucheray]

On this day, March 30, 1917, Mayor Louis A. Fritchie held a meeting at the New Ulm Armory in support of US neutrality in World War I. Because they were full of Germans.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, we didn't want to jump in with that.

[Joe Soucheray]

Attendee sent a peace delegation to Washington, D.C. but the country declared war in April.

[Kenny Olson]

We said, was it Department of War or Department of Defense?

[Joe Soucheray]

At that time, it might have been neither at that time. On this day, March 30th in 1924, prominent Minneapolis industrialist Lewis S. Gillette died at his winter home near Natchez, Mississippi. See, back then, 1920, you didn't even get as far as Florida for your winter home.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, you're just.

[Joe Soucheray]

You went to Mississippi. You know why that was Natchez. Mr.

[Kenny Olson]

Developed yet.

[Joe Soucheray]

An 1876 graduate of the U of M. With bachelor's degrees in both science and engineering, Gillette farmed for three years and then became involved in numerous businesses, including gillette Herzog Manufacturing Company, later absorbed by U.S. steel and Minneapolis Steel and Machinery Company. At one time the largest industry in the state. State. Did he have anything to do with shaving?

[Kenny Olson]

I bet he had a place in his heart for clean shaven beards.

[Joe Soucheray]

I don't know if he was the shaving guy. You could look it up.

[Kenny Olson]

Nah, it's not.

[Joe Soucheray]

Show's over. Oh, God. Lewis Gillette, Minneapolis.

[Kenny Olson]

Is that with the UIs or E

[Joe Soucheray]

W, S L E W I S G, I, L, E, T, T. Well, you're looking.

[Kenny Olson]

I know how to spell it.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, while you're looking that up, I'll continue. Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Thank you.

[Joe Soucheray]

On this next day, March 30th in 1930, aviator James H. Jimmy Doolittle, touring with his Shell Oil Company plane visited St. Paul in 1942. Lieutenant Colonel Doolittle of the US Army Air Corps commanded the first air attack on Japan during World War II. Leading 16 B25 bombers which had been prepped in St. Paul from the deck of the aircraft carrier Hornet. What are you finding?

[Mark Ellis]

How.

[Kenny Olson]

Keep going, Kenny.

[Mark Ellis]

How did they get on that aircraft?

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, they must have.

[Mark Ellis]

They had to land, right?

[Joe Soucheray]

You would think.

[Mark Ellis]

Unless they put them on in port

[Joe Soucheray]

and then just hope they could take off.

[Josh Arnold]

Oh my God.

[Mark Ellis]

The wheelbarrow suits.

[Joe Soucheray]

One for each one. Wow.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah. Yeah. And you know they had to ditch on the way home. Most of those guys had to ditch.

[Joe Soucheray]

On this day, March 30th in 1992, former governor Harold Levander died at the age of 82. Born in Swede home Nebraska, not to be confused with sweet home Alabama. Levander served as governor from 1967 to 1971. During that time he led the establishment of Minnesota's first human rights department, a pollution control agency, and the Metropolitan Council for the Twin Cities area. Levander also opposed establishing a state sales tax, but his veto was twice overridden. So, Harold, God love you. You were looking to expand government, weren't you?

[Mark Ellis]

Right from the get go. I'm sorry, no finish. Go ahead.

[Kenny Olson]

Born in Niles, Michigan in 1854, died in 1924. President of the Gillette Herzog Manufacturing Company, Republican. He was the older brother of state Rep. George Gillette. This is a very incomplete bio, but

[Joe Soucheray]

you just cut to the chase. Is there anything to do with shaving?

[Kenny Olson]

He did like to shave in the morning, but it was that. It was that long razor thing that you had to.

[Joe Soucheray]

We had a leather strap.

[Kenny Olson]

Yes, you had the, the foam brush where they brushed it off.

[Joe Soucheray]

Can I, can I ask you something?

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

You haven't found out a damn thing.

[Kenny Olson]

No, I just wanted you to get to the leather strap because I knew you Would see the long knife. I do.

[Joe Soucheray]

And I see the barber with a big handlebar mustache and the garter. Yeah, yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

And then he pulls the skin up like this and just gives it a down shave.

[Joe Soucheray]

So in other words, you have no idea.

[Kenny Olson]

No. But we achieved what I wanted.

[Mark Ellis]

I know that's what I wanted.

[Joe Soucheray]

In correct terms, it was King C. Gillette who made the Gillette Shaving Company. Thank you.

[Josh Arnold]

He likes crazy.

[Joe Soucheray]

Why did we even bother with you?

[Mark Ellis]

One simple sentence two seconds later.

[Joe Soucheray]

And it has nothing to do with this guy.

[Kenny Olson]

Under my direction, my son provides.

[Mark Ellis]

And the Gillette Herzog Manufacturing Company built bridges.

[Joe Soucheray]

They did.

[Mark Ellis]

Yes.

[Kenny Olson]

Clean shaven bridges.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes.

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah. Took me two seconds to find out too.

[Joe Soucheray]

Honest to God checking, you guys. I'm never asking you again. No, I know what you're gonna say. Oh, not a problem.

[Kenny Olson]

Don't ever ask again. I'm sitting here long for the ride.

[Mark Ellis]

You are a champion, my friend.

[Joe Soucheray]

Thank you.

[Kenny Olson]

It's the art of distraction with this guy. It's like taking candy.

[Joe Soucheray]

From this day in Minnesota, sports disappointment history. March 30, you're supposed to say, who would we lose to today? Who'd we lose to today, John? Well, on this day in 1968, we didn't lose to anybody. The Muskies beat the Colonels three games to two in the first round of the ABA playoffs. Oh, Pat, who are the Colonels? Kentucky, Louisville, Louisville, Kentucky.

[Josh Arnold]

Of course they were.

[Joe Soucheray]

All right, Colonel Sanders, on this day, who do we lose to today? Joe?

[Mark Ellis]

Yeah, say that once.

[Joe Soucheray]

On this day in 1973, the Saints lost the last game of the season to Alberta, which forced a one game playoff about which we have no information. Information. So that was. Right.

[Kenny Olson]

Call Sean Aaronson. He'll let you know.

[Joe Soucheray]

So thank you, G. Ellers, very much.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, that was pretty. Pretty darn easy, huh? So if you want to take care of business.

[Joe Soucheray]

Not really.

[Kenny Olson]

It really was. It was a really solid Monday show. You know, coming back from Palm Sunday.

[Josh Arnold]

Release Barabbas.

[Kenny Olson]

If you would like more info, go to garagelogic.com on how you can sign up for the town council or may want to watch us on YouTube. You can watch the entire show, see what I'm wearing, see how how clean shaven I am with my new Gillette

[Mark Ellis]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[Kenny Olson]

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[Mark Ellis]

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[Kenny Olson]

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[Joe Soucheray]

That was five days later. Okay, jailers, it's time for you to

[Mark Ellis]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[Mark Ellis]

Josh, I'm curious. As a young individual like myself that doesn't have years of investing, is it how much I invest or how long I invest?

[Josh Arnold]

Dave, that's a very good question. I would go with how long you invest for, not necessarily how much you invest, but younger ages. You have the benefit of time and the more time that money can grow, the better it is for you. So even if you were to start out with a small amount investing in S and P index fund, which is 100% stock stocks, and the S and P index constantly moves around and yes it does overweight certain companies. Right now the S and P index is overweight in about seven companies, which would be Nvidia, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, which owns Google, Meta, which owns Facebook, Berkshire Hathaway which is a big conglomerate. They're the largest portion of the s and P500. All other companies are smaller proportions of that S&P 500. So you get a pretty good section of the stock market. The average long term and very long term dating back to 1927, the average long term return on the S&P 500 is 10%. And money doubles by a factor of 72. So just in round numbers, if you have a 10% return, your money is going to double in seven years. Even if you were to start out with a small amount of money and you have a long period of time, that multiplier effect takes hold and grows very quickly. So I have told people a very long time ago, say when my kids were in high school, the maximum IRA contribution was $2,000. I had said if they could put away $2,000 a year into an IR IRA, presuming most of those people were working and do that for five years, starting in high school and finishing just before they ended college, that by the time they retired, I believe at age 65 or 67, they would have an excess of a million dollars. So they put in $10,000 over that five year period of time, $2,000 a year, year. And then that sat and that was worth almost a million dollars. Now some of those people could have gotten lucky, like my daughter, whose father took $4,000 of her money that was meant for her college education in 2004 and invested that in Apple. Okay. That $4,000 today is worth about just under $800,000.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wow.

[Josh Arnold]

Apple happened to be a company that grew very fast for a long period of time and has since become number two company by market value. In the S&P 500, we're at about $3.7 trillion. Is Apple going to grow that much over the next 22 years? I don't think so. But Apple is a very solid, solid company. And given the fact that its products and services are well received and in demand all over the world, it generates a tremendous amount of cash. And Apple continues to buy back shares. I think it'll do very well over that period of time. Now, when I talk about these returns, Apple is an example with my daughter or The S&P 500, not every year is going to give you those returns. If I were to look even over the short term, the volatility in the S and P index or in Apple is pretty strong. And it does take a lot of patience, perseverance and persistence to hold on in down markets. Usually the down markets don't last that long, but down markets such as we're experiencing now are very difficult to go through. So when the market pulls back 10%, which is equivalent of a correction, or 20%, which is a bear market, very, very difficult to hold on to that. But if you're owning an index or a high quality company like Apple, where you can see their business continuing to grow as the company that you want to buy and hold on to when the market pulls back. Add to that another example of solid long term performance. And it's not how much you invest, it's time. Is taking a look at the history of Berkshire Hathaway dating back to its inception in 1968 through today. And during that period of time, the market has sold off many times by a third. In Berkshire Hathaway, yes, it's gone down, but given the management of Berkshire Hathaway, it has come back and come back strong and rewarded long term investment. I would caution you against investing in bonds and stick with why stocks give you an ownership stake. They could be more volatile than bonds. But if you're an owner of a business over time, as that business grows, that stock price will also rise. With a bond, yes, you get a nice coupon that's paid out twice a year, but at the end of that time, you'll get your principal back. And should interest rates go up, bond values do go down. I don't believe that interest rates are going to go down, down as substantially as they did from, we'll say, 1980 until 2000. I don't see that happening. Put your money into, we'll say, a stock index fund and then add to it some growing companies. And when things look the worst, that's the time to add more g ers.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's why they call him Mr. Money Talk.

[Mark Ellis]

Well, wonderful man with wonderful advice.

[Joe Soucheray]

Do exactly what I did.

[Mark Ellis]

Pick up your phone, dial 95292. The only problem you'll have is you

[Joe Soucheray]

didn't pick it up sooner. Thank you so much, Josh. Have a wonderful day.

[Josh Arnold]

Gabe, we'll talk to you again tomorrow.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes, you will. Bye bye.

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