4/10 Author Jack Carr live from his home in Utah

Summary

GARAGE LOGIC PODCAST: Jack Carr Live from Utah
Episode Date: April 10, 2026
Host: Joe Soucheray (“The Mayor”)
Notable Guest: Jack Carr (author, former Navy SEAL)
Episode Theme: National security, government efficiency, book writing and technology, resilience, and pop culture

Overview

This episode of Garage Logic features an in-depth interview with bestselling thriller author and former Navy SEAL Jack Carr, live from his home in Utah. The discussion centers on Carr’s new and upcoming books, military technology, government efficiency, the recent rescue of pilots in Iran, and the importance of storytelling and resilience. Interspersed are candid Garage Logic banter segments about current events, space missions, Minnesota news, sports, and government spending.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening Banter: News, Politics & Government Spending

• Melania Trump’s Public Statement (02:00–04:00)
  The team reacts to Melania Trump’s address distancing herself from Jeffrey Epstein rumors, critiquing her accent:

  • Joe: “Learn how to speak. That’s all I wanted to say.” (02:59)
  • Matthew: “I think you can’t beat a good accent, man.” (03:52)

• Government Spending and Redundancy (05:00–15:00)
  Comparison between Trump’s handling of national resources and newspaper hedge fund owners:

  • Trump is accused of “harvesting” cash and leaving institutions bare, likened to “stripping down the country.” (05:04)
  • Discussion on severe cuts to the US Forest Service: reduction by 57 out of 77 research offices.
  • Debate about whether Forest Service research actually prevents wildfires versus unmanaged forest fuel being the real cause.
  • Joe: “If you still believe Trump is a sane human being, you have Trump derangement syndrome.” (12:24)

• Minnesota Reform (25:05–27:20)
  Legislation is introduced to start over with Minnesota’s fraud-prone Disability Support Services. Joe calls for broad government accountability:

  • “They’ve proven incapable of fixing anything...So start over.”

Tech & Space

• CIA 'Ghost Murmur' Technology (21:00, 35:55–43:00)
  Curiosity about newly revealed CIA tech that can detect a human heartbeat at a distance.

  • Joe: “Why has that been made public?...I can’t pretend to understand [it].” (20:58)

• Artemis Capsule Splashdown (21:48–23:43)
  Anticipation of NASA’s Artemis mission splashdown, with admiration for space exploration risks and excitement to watch the event.

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Featured Interview: Jack Carr (30:21–50:51)

Jack Carr on Writing, Research, and Military Influence

• Setting, Writing, and Research (31:10–32:43)
  Carr explains his choice to set "Cry Havoc" in Vietnam and the liberation of writing historical, pre-digital thrillers:

  • “When you write a contemporary thriller, every chapter you have to think about facial recognition…satellites...I really wanted to go back to a time where I didn’t have to think about that.” (31:26)

• The New Book: The Fourth Option (33:01–33:55)
  “It’s my modern interpretation of the 'stranger comes to town' [Western], but he loads up his Volkswagen bus pop-top camper and has his Belgian Malinois jump in...every single book will have a new city as a backdrop.”

• Character Differences and Future Plans (34:01–35:55)
  Carr notes contrasts between James and Chris—the heroes in his novels—and hints at plans for more James and Tom Reese stories, but admits historical fiction is much slower to research and write.

Inside Look: Real-World Espionage and Rescue

• Iran Pilot Rescue and SpecOps History (35:55–40:59)
  Carr contextualizes the rescue of downed pilots in Iran within special operations evolution:

  • “That rescue...was the culmination of decades of training, experience, and technological innovation...from the OSS...to Green Berets, to Navy SEALs.”

• Training and Evasion (38:43–41:57)

  • “Survival, evasion, resistance, escape...But the most important part is evasion. My takeaway...was that I’m going to find out where the nearest border is…and run and get there as fast as I possibly can.”
  • “Imagine ejecting from an F-15, landing in unknown terrain, and working your way wounded up a mountain.”

• CIA Tech: Ghost Murmur (42:08–43:17)
  Carr, learning about it from the news, speculates that making technology public could be a strategic move:

  • “Maybe we want to tell the enemy we have capabilities we don’t…to get them guessing…maybe you’re just diverting their attention away from something else.”

• Incorporating Real Tech Into Fiction (43:11)
  “I’m always thinking about how to incorporate this. You can never shoehorn something in…it all has to be natural.”

Jack Carr on Becoming a Writer

• Origins of Military Aspiration (47:17–49:39)
  Influenced by family history and pop culture (“Frogman” movie at age 7), Carr fused early patriotism and military fascination with reading and writing:

  • “Between age 8 and 18…is when things just imprint differently on your soul.”

• Reading for Empathy
  Carr laments the decline in reading among youth:

  • “You develop empathy and compassion through putting yourself in someone else's shoes as you read fiction...They're not getting that as they doom scroll.”

Writing Life and Upcoming Travel

• Book Tour and Research (45:29–46:49)
  Carr details upcoming travel for book promotion and research (including Vietnam with veterans), using analog methods and privacy safeguards:

  • “Vietnam is one of the most heavily surveilled countries...I’m bringing essentially a burner phone...not going to bring a computer.”

• Work-Life Balance (50:02–50:44)
  “Weekends are typically time when everyone else isn’t working, which allows me to then work...It’s the interruptions that get you...I need to just dive in.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Wasteful Government Spending

  • Joe: “This country just…urinates money. It just…everyday, it’s a big faucet.” (15:30)

• On Keeping Secrets in Tech

  • Carr: “There's an opportunity to put some disinformation out there...so that you have the Soviets thinking, oh my goodness, the US really can get away with a first strike capability...” (42:25)

• On Writing as Service

  • Carr: “If I honor the story, then I'm honoring those people who are spending time with me in those pages—time they're never going to get back.” (43:17)

• Pop Culture Fun

  • Library dream: “You got a neat house when your library has one of those rolling ladders.” (52:09)

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Important Timestamps

• [30:21] – Jack Carr interview begins
• [31:26] – Carr on writing historical fiction
• [33:01] – Intro to “The Fourth Option”
• [35:55] – Iran pilot rescue story
• [42:08] – Ghost Murmur and technology in espionage
• [47:17] – Carr’s journey to SEALs and writing
• [50:02] – Carr on work-life and creativity

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Episode Tone

• Conversational, irreverent, and candid.
  The crew regularly jokes, offers sharp critiques of politics, and displays obvious camaraderie while giving “seat of your pants” commentary on both current events and deep authorial process.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode is your ticket to understanding how high-stakes military rescues, secret CIA technology, the changing landscape of government, and the timeless appeal of storytelling all thread together in modern America. Jack Carr shares rare insights into the overlap between military service and fiction, the patience demanded by research, and the importance of narrative empathy—a quality the hosts feel is missing in today’s gadget-crazed world.

You'll also get strong opinions on political leadership, government redundancy, and everyday Minnesota life—with a generous sprinkling of side commentary on sports, space, and local color.

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For more:

• Jack Carr’s “The Fourth Option” releases May 12, 2026.
• The Artemis 2 splashdown airs at 7:07pm CT.
• Garage Logic: Where “common sense prevails, the 2-car garage is revered, and cigar smoking is allowed.”

Transcript

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[Chris Reivers]

Hail the Flashlight King.

[Joe Sucere]

And now, from the mayor's office above the boathouse on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's Garage Logic with Chris Reavers manning technology corner, Kenny Olson from the crabby coffee shop, John Height in the newsroom, and of course, the ro. Your Flashlight King fireworks commissioner and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Joe Susher. Yesterday, the first lady of the United States surprisingly gave remarks that struck me as. John. What? What would I say? Her attempt to distance herself from any Epstein relationship.

[John Height]

Correct. Yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

In the meantime, pictures are flying around social media of them engaged in various activities. But she, out of the blue, it seems, came forward to say, I got nothing to do with that. I would like to hear a little bit of her for a reason. Could you play that, please? Melania Trump. With the disgraceful Jeffrey Epstein. Need to end today. The individuals lying about me speak English of ethical standards. Take it down. Humility. Hey, Natasha. No, Melania, enough with the spy voice. She's been here since 1996 surrounded by nothing but embarrassing riches. Learn how to speak. That's all I wanted to say.

[Chris Reivers]

I gotta say, though, I kind of dig the voice.

[Joe Sucere]

It's. It's bs.

[Chris Reivers]

It's kind of.

[Joe Sucere]

It's affectation. I'll say it again, I don't even know what the first two words are. I do not object to their ignorance. Hey, Natasha. Mean spirited attempts to defame my reputation. Reputation including podcast hosts, friends with Epstein. Donald and I were invited to the same parties as Epstein from. That's enough. I just. I just want the woman to speak English.

[Matthew]

I think you can't beat a good accent, man.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, I guess I'm in the minority here.

[Matthew]

I'm just saying. I don't care what she's saying. It's just listening to her.

[John Height]

I'm with you, Joe.

[Joe Sucere]

Thanks, John.

[John Height]

You're welcome.

[Joe Sucere]

She's a citizen of the United States. She achieved her citizenship in 2006. That's 20 years ago. She has not had to worry about paying a bill, get a tutor, and teach this bimbo how to speak English.

[Matthew]

Who is the.

[Joe Sucere]

Maybe the guy who's taking care of her for the Secret Service. Maybe he could be a tutor who's

[Chris Reivers]

willing to sign up for that job.

[Matthew]

You will talk like this now? Yes. I walk out of there speaking with the same accent.

[John Height]

I will start to. I'm going to read all my news

[Joe Sucere]

this way, I believe.

[Matthew]

Thank you, Boris.

[Chris Reivers]

You know what? In fact, when you interview Jack Carr later today on the show. No, I want an accent.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, you're not getting.

[Chris Reivers]

Oh, I think.

[Matthew]

Oh, Jack. How do you know Epstein? And then you hold your face like that.

[Chris Reivers]

Do you have your Jack car questions ready, Matthew?

[Rice]

Mm.

[Joe Sucere]

Okay, good. Very timely. Do you know that he's quite mad? You know. You know that he has odd. He's almost like the guy who owns the Pioneer Press, the rich hedge fund guy who's probably one of Donald's neighbors in Palm Beach. What these owners of newspapers do is they come in and they harvest. They call it harvesting. Sure. They take. They. They put as much cash in their pocket as they can, they strip it down from what's left, and they leave very little fruit left on the tree. That's what Trump's doing to the country. He's just picking it apart.

[Chris Reivers]

You mean draining the swamp?

[Joe Sucere]

He hasn't drained the swamp. If anything, the swamp is now. It's flooding. Much more flooded than it ever was.

[Matthew]

Full of sleestack.

[Joe Sucere]

Where was I going with this?

[Chris Reivers]

Melania?

[Joe Sucere]

No, I had.

[Matthew]

Donald's stripping down. Like the newspaper. He's stripping down the country.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, I know where I was going. Bare bones, I know where I was going. We had to buy Annie Oakley a second private jet for 75 million bucks. Okay, we kick Annie Oakley out and give her this new fake job. That jet is going to Malenia. It's going to Natasha. Okay, how about sell it and give us our money back?

[Matthew]

Where's she going?

[Joe Sucere]

She Ain't going nowhere.

[Chris Reivers]

Is that.

[Joe Sucere]

She doesn't live at the White House. I think she lives in New York with the kid.

[Chris Reivers]

Is that jet different than the one he was gifted by the. The Prince or whatever that we had to refit, actually.

[Matthew]

Well, actually.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, this was a little, you know, a leader or whatever. Oh, and we had a modest. We had to get that for Miss Kitty.

[Matthew]

G7 or G6.

[John Height]

Or Kitty.

[Joe Sucere]

Remember Miss Kitty from Gunsmo?

[Rice]

Sure.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah. Only you and I would. John, I. I vaguely. You don't have a clue.

[Matthew]

I. Gunsmoke with Matt Dillon. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

And Chester.

[Matthew]

Uncle Beanie used to watch that. Yeah.

[John Height]

Uncle Beanie.

[Joe Sucere]

Beanie.

[Matthew]

His name was Albin.

[Joe Sucere]

Let me ask you something. Were you close to Elvin?

[Matthew]

Yeah, we were. You know, we were tight.

[Joe Sucere]

Was he your mom's brother?

[Matthew]

He was my mom's uncle.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, then he wasn't your uncle.

[Matthew]

He was Grandma Teresa's brother. He was my great uncle. Worked for the post office for years.

[Chris Reivers]

Is Gunsmoke.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, then I'm partial to the fellow.

[Matthew]

Yeah, but he was a little odd.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, who is he?

[Chris Reivers]

Is Gunsmoke the one that's on at a volume of about 68 at Bob's estate?

[Matthew]

You call Bob, and he's gonna take him 20 seconds to turn down Gunsmoke or the John Wayne Marathon before he says hello. Like you're the one that's deaf, dad, not me.

[Joe Sucere]

May I point out another interesting bit of news regarding spending? Yeah, where is it? He, Trump, is trimming the Forest Service. Maybe you have that in your news, John.

[John Height]

I don't. I had some on that earlier this week.

[Chris Reivers]

I don't know.

[Joe Sucere]

Ought to watch. Artemis. Melania Trump. Oh, for Pete's sake. I had it. I apologize. And he's not. The instant reaction was, oh, my God, he's getting rid of the Forest Service. No, he's not. He's getting rid of a significant portion of it. But like everything else we've been discovering lately, there's a great deal of redundancy in the government. There's so many. Now, I'm pro trees and pro Forest Service.

[Chris Reivers]

You've hugged a tree.

[Matthew]

You have been for a while.

[Joe Sucere]

So I would have been completely alarmed had he decided that we're just going to get rid of the Forest Service. That is not the case. Oh, here it is. Here it is. And I have it right here.

[John Height]

You got it.

[Joe Sucere]

A major reorganization of the U.S. forest Service is raising concerns about potential impacts to wildfire research and preparedness as California heads into peace fire season. Okay. The first thought I had about that is what Forest Service. And I'm pro Forest Service. I'm pro trees, I'm pro those Smokey the Bear hats, the whole deal. But what fire has the Forest Service ever prevented? They can't. That's nature. If anything, the other thing that struck me in this first paragraph is the fires would be better controlled by maintaining the forest, as we've learned over the years. Getting rid of the dead wood, getting rid of the fuel, it's got to be done.

[John Height]

That's part of their job. Joe, I'm just reading this right now.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, they. But they don't do it very well, apparently, because there's always these terrible fires that burn because of all the fuel that's not been cleared.

[John Height]

The Forest Service manages hazardous fuels through prescribed burns and mechanical thinning, creating fire adapted communities via grants and using science based predictive modeling.

[Matthew]

So are those the rangers we find when we go into a park and they get the sticker and are those forest rangers or what are they?

[Joe Sucere]

I don't know.

[Matthew]

Dnr.

[Joe Sucere]

The Trump administration's plan includes closing research facilities in multiple states and including a site in Vacaville, prompting fears from scientists about how the changes could affect wildlife prevention and response efforts. Well, okay, Preparing as we do this time of year, getting ready for fire season, one of those things we do is start practicing with our alerting platforms to get the public ready as well. Said fire chief. Fellow officials are reviewing the use of the Genesis project, an app based system that notifies residents of potential threats. Let's cut to the chase here. How many? Well, he's cutting 57 of the 77 research offices across 31 states, including six of eight in California. I guess I should not insist that this isn't a big deal. 57 of 27 is what, 75% across 31 states. But let's see. And of course, this is driven by budget constraints. I think this occurred on the day he wants 15 million to build the arch for himself. I just don't think he's doing a good job as president. I don't think he's a good steward of our money. He's a good steward of anything he can put in his pocket or get named after himself.

[Matthew]

That's true.

[John Height]

There is another budget story today, Joe, that would back you up on that. I don't know if you saw this. The government added $1.2 trillion to the national debt in the past six months.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, my God. Now I'm getting emails still from people who say I can't listen anymore because you have this Trump derangement syndrome. No. If you still believe Trump is a sane human being, you have Trump derangement syndrome. It's ridiculous that you can't see by now that he's quite mad, you know? And if you can't see that by now, you are delusional.

[Chris Reivers]

Johnny, of the one, you said 1.2 trillion.

[John Height]

1.2 trillion.

[Chris Reivers]

How much of that is due to the war efforts in Iran?

[John Height]

Part of it. Let's see. Most of the spending the government collected.28 less in taxes because of the big, beautiful bill. The appropriation blueprint says the federal deficits on top of 2 trillion are causing problems because of interest issues. And.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, let's put it this way.

[Chris Reivers]

Check it out.

[Rice]

Now.

[Joe Sucere]

Let's put it this way. I could think of many things to cut money from before I cut money from the Forest Service Fair. They're in charge of 193 million acres. I can think of many, many redundant programs that have to go before the Forest Service does. So I guess what I'm going to have to conclude here is that

[Rice]

I

[Joe Sucere]

hope the surviving research centers are enough, but apparently. Well, let me get back to that number. How are we supposed to. We have 77 research centers. I have yet to understand that they've accomplished anything in terms of preventing forest fires. All right.

[Rice]

Okay.

[Joe Sucere]

Now, I guess what I'll have to conclude is that you're. You're going to let 20 of them survive. Well, a cynical way to say that would be. Well, that means the 20 surviving research centers will have nothing to do with ever stopping a forest fire. Instead of. Instead of 77 agencies that have failed to stop a forest fire, we're going to have only 20 agencies that will fail to stop a forest fire.

[Matthew]

Okay.

[Joe Sucere]

I don't know if that's good or bad, but like I say, if I was president, I would have gotten to many things before it ever occurred to me to slash the Forest Service budget.

[Matthew]

Devil's advocate. Is it a good start? 57 gone.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, here's the problem, Matt. I don't think we need a good start at all levels of government. I'm just not sure I would have started with the forest.

[Chris Reivers]

I see.

[Matthew]

There's. There's more pressing issues.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, this country just. It just urinates money. It just. Every day. It's a big faucet. It just goes away.

[Chris Reivers]

Wouldn't that be a gift?

[Matthew]

Yeah.

[Chris Reivers]

What does he do for his trick?

[Matthew]

Do that? Yeah. Watch this. Hang on. Step back.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, I guess I really didn't offer any clarification about anything.

[Chris Reivers]

Oh, we got to the bottom of it.

[Joe Sucere]

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[Joe Sucere]

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[Chris Reivers]

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[Rice]

Yeah.

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[Joe Sucere]

We are scheduled to have Jack Carr join us at about 12:30 our time.

[Chris Reivers]

Yes sir.

[Joe Sucere]

And it was arranged. And we're just crossing our fingers because the person who arranged it, well, I don't know how it worked, but we're on his schedule. Let's hope it all pans out because there's really no better time than right now to talk to Jack Carr about the rescue. The phenomenal rescue of the pilot lost in Iran and successfully rescued and for reasons I don't understand, and maybe Jack will. Why was the CIA's new tool that found this guy? Why has that been made public? It's Called a ghost murmur. It's a magnetometer. It's an electronic technology that I can't pretend to understand that can hear a human heartbeat from God knows how far away. And then they also have the means apparently to separate the human heartbeat from a rabbit heartbeat or a mountain lion heartbeat or a mouse heartbeat.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah.

[Matthew]

Why are we giving away these secrets?

[Joe Sucere]

And that's all. But it's all over the news. You can read all about that thing. Anyway, I hope Jack joins us. Do you know that tonight we can watch the arrival back on Earth of Artemis?

[Matthew]

I really want to watch that.

[Joe Sucere]

And it's going to be very harrowing for those four people in that little capsule because they're betting that the three inches of flame retardant on the capsule will keep them from melting. Because apparently this 25,000 mile an hour plummet to Earth can create a bit of friction.

[Matthew]

Well, I didn't like the fact that they said the heat shields are good up to 5,000 degrees.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, they're not gonna. I'm sure I just want them back.

[Matthew]

I'm with the guy that said, hey, I just want to get back.

[Joe Sucere]

But that. I'm sure all of the returns from our space people have endured this. This rush of heat. The crew will splash down at 8:07pm tonight. That's Eastern time. So here. 7 7:07pm I did that. I did on my own.

[Matthew]

I didn't even mouth the words for him.

[Joe Sucere]

And it's going to be off the coast of San Diego. I don't know how far out. That'll be at 5:07pm and they'll be bobbing around, we all hope, in the Pacific Ocean. After nine days in space.

[Matthew]

What if they got disoriented and went to the Strait of Hormuth? That would be. That'd be enough. That'd be a.

[Joe Sucere]

And I. It offers me here, this brief news story is offering me where you can watch it. I would imagine the networks will cover it.

[Matthew]

They're gonna go live for sure because

[Joe Sucere]

they're offering Roku, Apple, Amazon, smart TVs and platforms. Well, the networks will for sure catch that. Turn to channel five. Yeah.

[Matthew]

They'll preempt 2020 if it goes on forever.

[Joe Sucere]

You would think so, right? So I have to set that aside to remind myself. Cause this is the equivalent of me missing something in space.

[Chris Reivers]

I was just gonna bring that up. Who would like to take the. Of whether or not the mayor will

[Joe Sucere]

actually see it's right there. I gotta pick it up on my way out.

[Chris Reivers]

Any takers?

[John Height]

Any Takers.

[Matthew]

If there's a car problem in the garage or if there's a.

[Chris Reivers]

No, it's just distraction. I think that's the key. Yeah, that's the key element.

[Matthew]

Are we watching because we want them to get home safely when it's not like a car race where we're watching to wait for an accident?

[Joe Sucere]

I don't watch car races to wait for an accident.

[Matthew]

That's why most people watch.

[Joe Sucere]

You're right.

[Matthew]

But I seriously, I hope that they get home.

[Joe Sucere]

I'm watching just to watch something splash into the ocean. And then I like the arrival of the rescue boats.

[Matthew]

Yeah. How they scurry.

[Joe Sucere]

That's right. And they get right over there and these people, they open the hatch and they open the door and out they come. I think it's fantastic. I think it's just fantastic. Just a minute. I had something I wanted to read you and I guess I didn't save it. I guess I didn't save it. I. I'm remiss in what I've saved. Oh, I know what I was reading.

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[Joe Sucere]

We learned that my desire for much of the state to just start over maybe isn't as far fetched as I thought. State lawmakers have advanced a proposal to wipe out the Minnesota Disability Support Services program in the Department of Human Services. They want to start it over so it works better, so it isn't full of fraud. An amendment to an existing bill introduced yesterday in the House Human Services Finance and Policy Committee would eventually end Integrated Community Supports and replace it with a new program. The Minnesota Department of Human Services has deemed the Integrated Community supports program as one of 14 high risk program, meaning high risk for fraud. Okay. They're on the right track to scrap it and start over. But that's just the beginning. Because if anyone wants to do what I did, you go to the Department of Human Services website and you could spend all day clicking on dropdowns on your computer and seeing how many programs there are and how many of them are redundant. And virtually all of them held to no accountability. That's why I say start over. Well, here's good news. They figure, maybe we'll try starting over with this one. Now, there are voices of opposition to that, saying, well, no, let's not start it over. Let's just fix it. They've proven incapable of fixing anything.

[Matthew]

Can't fix it.

[Joe Sucere]

So start over. I applaud them for at least broaching the topic. Start over. The whole thing should be started over. That's naive of me. We can't Start the government over from scratch in Minnesota, but that's what it needs. But if you got to do it a program at a time, I'll take it.

[Matthew]

That's the start.

[Joe Sucere]

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[Matthew]

Here we go.

[Chris Reivers]

Here we go.

[Joe Sucere]

The earth is not your mother. The Joe Sugiray show. You can play it right now.

[Chris Reivers]

Can I do it right now?

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[Matthew]

All right, hit it. It's time to jam with the mayor of GL with those calls.

[Joe Sucere]

That's enough. Because Jack doesn't know. He doesn't.

[Matthew]

Author's Corner Suchi style.

[Joe Sucere]

Jack, are you at home in your office?

[Jack Carr]

I am in the office right now and about to hit the road here for. Jeez, it's almost two months. Going to a book festival in the Hamptons next week and then go right to Vietnam. Taking 10 MACV SOG veterans back for the first time since the war with the Best Defense foundation. So doing that 10 day trip to Vietnam, which should be pretty powerful for all involved. And then I come home for a day and jump right into book tour.

[Joe Sucere]

Jack, the most recent book, because your current one's not released yet, the most recent is Cry Havoc and that's Tom Reese in Vietnam. He's the father of James Reese. I loved it immensely. We tried to talk to you when that book was out and your publicity guy's worthless. He didn't set it up.

[Jack Carr]

I'll let him know.

[Joe Sucere]

It was just fantastic. It was a real departure for you in the sense that how much did you have to work out in your mind the absence of technology that wasn't available in Vietnam?

[Jack Carr]

Yeah, well, that was one of the main draws to doing it. I mean, I always wanted to do that. I introduced this character early on in the Terminal List series, as I did with a bunch of other characters that I thought would be interesting to explore one day in their own right. But also as I wrote the first seven books in the James Reese Terminal List series. When you write a contemporary thriller, every chapter you really have to think about facial recognition technology, you have to think about satellites, you have to think about GPSs in phones and vehicles, cameras everywhere, that sort of thing. And I really wanted to go back to a time where I didn't have to think about that. Every single chapter where I could think about old school tradecraft, do a little more research into that. And that was really fun for me to do and liberating. But also it took a lot longer than I thought because when you research a contemporary thriller, you can just look something. You can just look at something on the map, you can zoom in on Google Earth or something. But when you Write Something In 1968, every single character only has their life experience up to 1968 to lend to a conversation or a problem set. They don't have 50 plus years of hindsight. So if they're 20 years old, they have only 20 years of life up until 1968, if they're 50, if they're 70, whatever it might be. And that took a lot longer than I expected.

[Joe Sucere]

It worked so comfortably, it was very easy to get in the realm of Tom Reese and his buddies in Vietnam. What is the new book? Tell us about the new book. And then I want to get back to technology because if there's anyone who knows what's going on right now, it's you. What is the new book?

[Jack Carr]

The new book is the fourth option, and it's really my take on the Stranger Comes to town narrative. So that Old west mythology that I grew up watching with my dad, really inspired by have Gun Real Travel, which is a 1950s, 1960s television show. It was a. A radio show before that. But there's elements of, let's say Pale Rider or High Plains Drifter or Magnificent Seven that are. That are also in there. So it's my modern interpretation of the Stranger comes to town, but instead of hopping on his horse and heading to the new town, he loads up his Volkswagen bus pop Top camper and has his Belgian Malinois jump in. That's his, essentially his sidekick. And off they go to the first town. But my idea is that every single book will have a new city as a backdrop. So as whereas James Reese is global, there's geopolitics, there's high stakes, this is more localized and domestic and differentiates itself from the Terminalist series in that way and in other ways as well.

[Joe Sucere]

Is it completely separated from this fellow, the hero, being in the military?

[Jack Carr]

Yep. And, you know, from the outside looking in, I thought, you know, some people might think it's very similar character, but coming from the military field teams in particular, everybody in every platoon that I was in was different. Yes, we shared a background and that we all went to buds together, so we shared a common experience of SEAL training. But we all had 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 years of life up until that point that were all different. So there wasn't a cookie cutter Navy seal. And so for me, it wasn't odd to have two very different characters who had that similar background. So Chris Walker has that background, so he can do these certain things. And I can remember back to what it was like to be ambushed in Baghdad or to take a shot with a sniper weapon system or whatever it is, and take those feelings and emotions and continue to apply them to this character, even though he's very different from James.

[Rice]

He's.

[Jack Carr]

He's an orphan, he has a mental level iq. He is a. He's a philosopher. He has this battle going on in his mind between all these different philosophers, and he's a very, very different character. And it was really fun to write.

[Joe Sucere]

Will there be more James Reese books?

[Jack Carr]

Oh, yes. I'm supposed to be working on James Reese 8 right now, and James Reese will be back and I think it'll be in 2027.

[Joe Sucere]

Will there be more from Vietnam era, from Tom Reese?

[Jack Carr]

That was my plan. That was my plan. But it took so much longer to do that.

[Joe Sucere]

Right.

[Jack Carr]

That book, it kind of threw my initial strategy out the window. Meaning I wanted to do a James Reese book, contemporary thriller. Then I wanted to go back to the dad. Let's say this one was 1968, but maybe push it forward a little bit to 1975, then back to a contemporary thriller with his son, and then maybe back to World War II with the grandfather, then contemporary James. Anyway, that was my plan, but it took so long to essentially write what was historical fiction that it might be a couple more years until I go back and write a book from either the 19 that takes place in the 1940s or the 1970s.

[Joe Sucere]

Can you take us through, to the best of your knowledge, what the downed pilot in Iran went through until he got rescued? I know you followed that. And we're now learning of a secret CIA program that apparently is not secret. It's been made public, called this ghost murmur, where apparently electromagnetically, the CIA can hear a human heartbeat. But based on your knowledge, based on what you've written, based on what you know, what was it like for that fellow? What happened to you? What do you think?

[Jack Carr]

Yeah, so it was the pilot and then his weapons systems officer. So the guy in the back of the plane. So both were rescued. And what really stood out to me, and I'll get to your question in a moment, what really stood out to me is that that rescue operation was the culmination of decades and decades of training, of real world experience, of technological innovation that all came together at this time and place to allow that rescue to take place. So we can go back Pre World War II, but going back to World War II, we have Special Operations forces in the OSS. We have the Scouts and Raiders, we have Underwater Demolition teams that were called Naval Combat Demolition Units. Then you had the Rangers scaling the cliffs in Normand. And then you move into Korea, and some of these Special operations forces, even the naval ones, move inland. And then we have Vietnam, which is really a watershed moment in special operations history, specifically for Army Special Forces, Green Berets and Navy seals. Then we have flashpoints in places like Desert One, Grenada, Panama, the first Gulf War, Mogadishu. And then we have Global War on Terror that kicks off after 9, 11. And you have those 20 years until we left Afghanistan. And then you have operations in places like Syria, places like Venezuela, and. And all of that Training and expertise comes together to allow our special Operations forces to go into Iran and to rescue this pilot and his weapon systems officer. And it's just remarkable. So, but what did he go through? And man, what can only imagine. But I really hope that we get to read his story one day, that maybe they make a movie out of it. Because I think today kids, especially, let's say in that junior high school, high school, even college years, they need heroes today and they need someone to look up to. And some of those stories, like some of the things I read, like Five Years to Freedom by Nick Rowe, about his experience as a POW in Vietnam who escapes. He was an Army Special Forces officer reading books like that, reading the Delta Force by Charlie Beckwith, who is the first commanding officer of that unit. So reading those kind of memoirs were so inspirational to me growing up that I think kids need more of that today. Young men in particular need those kind of role models today. So I hope he tells his story and we all get. Get to learn.

[Joe Sucere]

What do you think he did? Are you trained, for example, to leave the crash site? You're not supposed to linger there. You must move on. Is that true?

[Jack Carr]

Oh, I would. I would think so. So my training was a little, little different in that it wasn't specific to aviation, even though I went through the same sear school that Navy pilots go through, a little different today. Seals, we have our own sear school today. So survival, evasion, resistance, escape. And he did the first half of that, the survival and the evasion. Luckily he did not have to do, or neither of of them had to do the resistance and escape part of it. But the one in Coronado, California, for Naval aviators in particular and air crew is named after James Stockdale, who was shot down in Vietnam, who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam, was a Medal of Honor recipient, incredible human being. So that sear school, that survival, evasion, Resistance, escape school is named after him. So a lot of that training, at least when I went through, which was right before 9 11, was really geared towards Vietnam and surviving in that kind of environment. But some of the things that they teach you there about resisting the enemy and coming returning home with honor, and that's of course, after you're captured. But you do learn things in the lead up to that possibility of capture. But the most important part is that evasion. And I remember my takeaway from that school was that I'm going to find out where that nearest border is, is, and I'm going to get on my getaway sticks. My Legs and run and get there as fast as I possibly can. But in this case, this guy, this. The weapon systems officer, is hurt. I mean, imagine ejecting from an F15 and then landing in unknown type of terrain and then having to work your way wounded up into a mountain away from that. And he's already away from the crash site because the plane kept going. And then he floated. Floated down, but get away from your ejector seat and your parachute and then move up into an area where you can possibly make comms with. With US Forces and through your procedures that are briefed ahead of time with any mission. But as with anything, the enemy gets a vote, and things can spiral in any direction. So it's incredible what he did to make his way to a place where he's away from that ejection seat, he's away from that parachute, he can make communications. He's wounded. He might have to continue evading, and then he's rescued.

[Joe Sucere]

What if he. Would he have had. Would he have had water with him and some food? Would he have had some equipment? That would have been essential? I think so.

[Jack Carr]

We'll all find out when we. When he tells his story. And even if he had it on him, it's possible that he, you know, he loses that and the. The violence of the ejection and what happens after? I mean, I just. I just don't know. But I would assume he had a little bit of water, a little bit of food to keep him going. He has a couple means with which to. To radio back. I think he still has his sidearm on him. He has a couple signaling devices on him. So he has those basics that he can still move with. So they're not robust, and he has to get to survive until he can. Can be rescued. So do you understand the lessons learned? I'll tell you what the lessons learned from that are. Right now, this is a learning organization. Military is. Special operations in particular. But those lessons are all now being incorporated into training and real time into the next mission. So it's. It's quite remarkable.

[Joe Sucere]

How much do you understand about this new technology, this ghost murmur that we're only now hearing about that apparently played a role in discovery. How much do you know about that?

[Jack Carr]

I learned about it the same time as you did on the news.

[Joe Sucere]

Okay.

[Jack Carr]

And of course, as soon as I saw it, I thought, oh, my gosh, now I'm gonna have to incorporate this into a future, into a future novel. But at the same time, I'm always wondering, I mean, the technology evolves so fast, and who really knows? But there's also an opportunity to put some disinformation out there. So my mind goes to that just. But my author mind goes to that to think, oh, maybe we want to tell the. The enemy that we have. Have certain capabilities that we really don't have to get them guessing and them wondering. Kind of like developing stealth technology or, you know, what the media term Star wars back in the Reagan era, so that you have the Soviets thinking, oh, my goodness, the US really can get away with a first strike capability on us and can protect themselves from our ballistic missiles. And so it just gets them thinking. And then their intelligence services have to figure out if it's right or if it's wrong. And maybe you're just diverting their attention away from something else because we only have so much. So much bandwidth. So it's. It's very interesting.

[Joe Sucere]

Are you, Are you already thinking about how this will be in the next James Reese book?

[Jack Carr]

I was. Immediately, I'm like, oh, my goodness, how do I incorporate this in? Or is it a possibility somewhere in there to incorporate it in?

[Joe Sucere]

Or.

[Jack Carr]

So I'm always thinking about. About those types of things. So. So we'll see. But everything has to fit in naturally. You can never shoehorn something in. It all has to be natural. I have to focus solely on the story. I never think about what's going to sell or who I'm going to upset, or a short chapter is better chapters or anything like that. It's all about the story. And if I honor the story, then I'm honoring those people who are spending time with me in those pages, Time they're never going to get back. So that's something that I take extremely seriously.

[Joe Sucere]

Have you ever read a guy named Mark Greeley?

[Jack Carr]

Mark Greeny.

[Matthew]

Yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, Greeny, I'm sure.

[Jack Carr]

Yeah, he's fantastic.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, yeah. You. You and he are. Yeah. And he. He invented a guy called the Gray Man. I. I don't know if the Gray Man's as tough. You know, James Reese walked across Siberia. Character's got a long way to go to catch up to James Reese.

[Jack Carr]

Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

[Joe Sucere]

The fourth option, when is it released to the public? Because I'm violating a rule here, interviewing one of my favorite authors without having read the book. When's it coming out?

[Jack Carr]

May 12th.

[Josh Arnold]

And.

[Jack Carr]

Yeah, May 12th. Audio, ebook and hardcover. So coming out there. And I have some book plates this year to support independent bookstores. I try to support independent bookstores whenever I possibly can. So there's some book plates and stickers that are at no extra cost that people can get to from independent bookstores that they can't get anywhere else. So I have that going this year. But speaking of other authors, I know you guys have this right here is my original copy of Term Limits right here.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, that's valuable.

[Jack Carr]

That was my introduction. Introduction to Flynn, the great Vince Flynn. And I have both of these copies too right here. His original one and then the one that he published from a New York publishing house afterwards. So I have these two that are signed by by Vince Flynn as part of the collection. So if you those with you guys

[Matthew]

closely into it, you'll see that the crazy Frenchman Su was walking his dog Rookie in one of the books and,

[Joe Sucere]

and I'm sushery and he's Rookie kind

[Matthew]

of snuck that in on us and we didn't have to pay 100 to get in there.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah Jack, when do, when do you leave? When do you leave on this extended tour?

[Jack Carr]

So I leave in a couple days for Hamptons for the book festival out there and then right from there I go to Vietnam and then right from Vietnam I come home. I have a day to repack for book tour and then it's right into book tour which I think kicks off on the some of the seventh, eighth, ninth somewhere in there of May. So then I'll be on the road for another close to two weeks which I love because that's the time that I get to shake somebody's hand, look them in the eye and thank them for, for their support and allowing me to do what I love to do which is write these stories.

[Joe Sucere]

Are those non writing trips the, well

[Jack Carr]

the book tour one. I'm going to try to get some writing in in Hamptons. I don't know if that's going to be. And then I have a bunch of notebooks that I'm taking to Vietnam because Vietnam is one of the most heavily surveilled countries in the world. So I'm bringing essentially a burner phone with me with a new phone number, a new email that I'll use for those 10 days just because I don't want all my passwords and everything else to get sucked out of that phone into the whatever Vietnamese intelligence service would do with it. Who knows. But I'd rather just have it go over there with a clean phone. So I'm not going to bring a computer with me. I'm going to bring notepads and I'm going to be working on the next James Reese in longhand as I travel to and from Vietnam, and hopefully when I'm on the ground there.

[Joe Sucere]

Are you meeting people there who will guide you?

[Jack Carr]

Yeah, yeah, there's been a. A pre. Site, like a site survey ahead of time.

[Matthew]

Yeah.

[Jack Carr]

So we know exactly where we're going with these Vietnam MACV veterans. The battlefields will visit what were formerly forward operating bases that they worked out of, and then some of the cities that they involved. Of course, they now have different names, but that will revisit with.

[Rice]

With them.

[Jack Carr]

But it's their first time back since Vietnam, since the conflict, since the war. So it'll be a pretty powerful trip with those guys.

[Matthew]

Hey, when you were seven and you got your first taste of Navy seal, what was that? What inspired you?

[Jack Carr]

Yeah, I think the military bug was already in. In my blood. And my grandfather was killed in World War II. He was a Corsair pilot. So that's the. The plane that had the gold wings that folded up, that went on the aircraft carrier decks. There was a TV show. First it was called Baa Baa Black Sheep. Then in syndication they called it Black Sheep Squadron with Robert Conrad playing Pappy Boynton, who was a Marine aviator and flew the same plane as my grandfather. So I had those popular culture references and touch points, but I think it was just innately in my bud, like it is with a lot of young people. They feel the need to be tested and to also serve their country. So found out what seals were at age 7 through an old movie called the Frogman, old black and white film. And then my mom and I did some research at the local library. She was a librarian. And so we went down there and did a little more research and into seals and what they were. And my takeaways were that these were some of the most elite operators in the arsenal and that the training was some of the toughest devised by a modern military. So from age 7 onward, I was in. But then I'm also reading books by guys like Tom Clancy and Nelson DeMille and A.J. quinnell and J.C. pollack and Mark Olden and David Morell, and some of those guys mentioned seals in those novels. And so I thought, hey, if David Morrell is mentioning seals in his novels and saying they're specifically Brotherhood of the Rose and saying that they're kind of the. The top of the pyramid when it comes to special operations, that he probably did his research and knows a little something about this, because, of course, he created Rambo back in 1972 with the novel First Blood. So. So those were in there as well. And all those authors became my professors in the art of storytelling. Guys, I'm reading from let's say age. I think whatever you do between age 8 and 18 or 10 and 20, it just imprints differently on your soul and your higher hurt. And your mind is your brain still developing? And I was lucky enough to be be a reader from an early age. So all those guys became my professors in the art of storytelling. And also I love a film and love television. So all those popular culture influences were there and what I wanted to do in the SEAL team. So I'm reading anything non fiction I can possibly find on warfare and special operations, in particular terrorism, insurgencies, counterinsurgencies. As you can tell from the books behind me, Books has been a very important part of my life from my earliest days. So I love. Which is why I get worried today about our young kids not reading. Because I think you develop an empathy and compassion through putting yourself in someone else's shoes as you read fiction. And they're not getting that as they doom scroll through and are essentially manipulated by an AI that develops qualities opposite of compassion and empathy.

[Joe Sucere]

I love a home library that has a ladder in it. Nice.

[Jack Carr]

Thank you. Always learn to have something like that.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, me too.

[Rice]

Look at that.

[Joe Sucere]

That's fantastic. What's your weekend like? It's a joke on this show. People have plans for the weekends, but you being as busy as you are, is today a writing day? For example?

[Jack Carr]

Today should be a writing day, but it's a media day because I'm jumping right into that book festival, right to Vietnam and then writing a book tour. But so weekends are typically the time when everyone else isn't working, which allows me to then work.

[Joe Sucere]

Okay.

[Jack Carr]

I will be riding away this weekend on James Reese 8, which should come out in 2027.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, I can't wait. Does the family leave you alone on weekends

[Jack Carr]

that if there's snow on the mountain, which there is not right now. We had a very bad winter in Park City. They're out skiing and then it is quiet here and I get to just get up and get to work without interruptions. Because really it's the interruptions that get you. And I need to just dive in and spend all my time because all my heart and soul goes into every word. So I'll be right in the way this weekend.

[Rice]

All right.

[Joe Sucere]

I can't wait for the fourth option. I'll get it as soon as I can and we'll talk again.

[Jack Carr]

Thank you so much.

[Rice]

Much.

[Joe Sucere]

Thank you, Jack.

[Jack Carr]

Really appreciate it. Thank you, guys.

[Joe Sucere]

Jack Carr, one of the best. You've read Vince Flynn, you've read Jack Carr and the others. And there's something that separates the guys that are as good as Jack Carr.

[Chris Reivers]

That's right.

[Joe Sucere]

You want to take a break?

[Chris Reivers]

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[Matthew]

Joe, what are you doing?

[Chris Reivers]

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[John Height]

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[Chris Reivers]

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[Matthew]

So you're making candied bacon.

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[Joe Sucere]

It's the end of the world as we know it. And he feels fine. Joe. Sucere.

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[Joe Sucere]

Will they.

[Chris Reivers]

Will they take care of Updog?

[Matthew]

What's up, dog?

[Chris Reivers]

Not much. What's up with you?

[Joe Sucere]

Here's John Height in his newsroom.

[Chris Reivers]

They will.

[John Height]

I don't think I can follow that, Joe.

[Matthew]

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[Chris Reivers]

Hey, we were well behaved during the Jack car.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, you're not now.

[Matthew]

I know.

[Joe Sucere]

Here's John Height in his newsroom.

[Matthew]

Frustration.

[John Height]

Jack is an extremely animated gentleman, isn't he?

[Joe Sucere]

Yes, he is. Boy, 110 miles an hour.

[Matthew]

I thought I had energy.

[Chris Reivers]

Yeah.

[John Height]

And my favorite part of the interview was his mom being a librarian. And then the look at his room with all the books and.

[Matthew]

Oh, you know. That was from his mom. She was inspired.

[Joe Sucere]

You got a neat house when you're. When your library has one of those rolling ladders.

[Rice]

Yes.

[John Height]

Oh, wouldn't that be just. I wish I had a whole room that was.

[Matthew]

I wonder. What. The amount he spent, all those books.

[Joe Sucere]

I don't think. I don't think he was struggling to pay for that.

[Matthew]

Okay, gotcha.

[Chris Reivers]

Brooke, if you had to have a ladder to grab something in your home, what would it be?

[Matthew]

It'd be the Fritos on the top shelf. I would love to have a ladder in my pantry.

[Joe Sucere]

John Heights, the library.

[John Height]

This news. You have to have books to have a library. This news is brought to you by North American Banking Company Minneapolis City Council yesterday rejecting the reappointment of Todrick Barnett to lead the city's Office of Community Safety, a move that Mayor Fry immediately blasted said he would veto. Mayor Fry said Minneapolis can't spend another year doing a public safety search and risk the city's progress. As commissioner, Barnett oversaw the City's Police, Fire, 911 and Emergency Management ops, as well as the Office of Neighborhood Safety. In the meantime, Barnett will continue in his role, but his future is now in limbo. Speaking about an hour after the council's vote, the mayor touted Barnett's work and said the council's vote was not reflected on of the commissioner's work. A judge in Minnesota has ordered federal agencies to turn over unredacted evidence related to the killing of Renee Good by Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent Jonathan Ross. U.S. attorney's Office, Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, ICE and Enforcement Removal Ops have three weeks to produce photos, videos, statements and reports connected to good shooting in January. The order came as a result of the prosecution of Roberto Carlos Munoz, Guatemala, who was convicted of a assaulting Ross during an immigration arrest in June of last year in Bloomington. After that evidence is turned over to the judge, they'll determine the most quote, appropriate method and timing for any required disclosures, according to court records.

[Joe Sucere]

I don't have the horn. I'm sorry. I don't know where it went. I used to have my own version of the foghorn, but it's gone.

[John Height]

It's gone.

[Joe Sucere]

And you weren't paying attention, so I was texting Patrick.

[Rice]

Sorry.

[John Height]

As previously reported, federal agents tried to arrest Munoz Guatemala on an immigration order June 17, 2025. The agent Ross had tried to get into the car, breaking the back window. As he did that, prosecutors say Munoz Guatemala accelerated, dragging ross for over 100 yards. Man who pleaded guilty to money laundering as part of the $250 million Feeding Our Future fraud scheme will now serve more than three years in prison for the the crime. Abdullah.

[Chris Reivers]

Three years, huh?

[Joe Sucere]

Wow.

[John Height]

Abdullah Noor Jessow was sentenced on Thursday to 43 months in prison, followed by two years unsupervised release. According to the U.S. attorney's Office for Minnesota, he will also have to pay back $866,458 in restitution of.

[Matthew]

How much?

[John Height]

What was the original figure? Yeah, they didn't give the original figure.

[Joe Sucere]

Okay.

[John Height]

No. His paperwork purported to have served 1.7 million me from December 2020 through September 21st.

[Joe Sucere]

I'm sure he did.

[John Height]

Busy guy, Ruck. Here's your answer. He received $4.3 million in reimbursements. Officially just now purchased a property in Columbia Heights using the proceeds from the frauds.

[Matthew]

So he's paying back 800 and he got three.

[Rice]

Five.

[Chris Reivers]

Let's do the math.

[Joe Sucere]

We the people. It's getting away from us.

[Chris Reivers]

He's getting. He gets to keep. Well, alleged. Allegedly about a little under three mil. He was sentenced to 43 months. And we all know damn well he ain't serving that entire term because of good behavior.

[Joe Sucere]

So it was a good deal for him.

[Chris Reivers]

He averaged about a mil per year in work.

[Joe Sucere]

He did a fine job.

[Chris Reivers]

God, this state is such a freaking joke.

[Matthew]

Why did I. Why am I on the straight and narrow?

[John Height]

A nine year old student, nine years old, has been identified as the person responsible for starting that fire that forced Westwood Elementary School to evacuate last week in St. Cloud. Due to the age of the suspect, investigators say it complicates any Legal action as children under 10 can't be prosecuted for criminal offenses in juvenile court. Police previously determined the fire was an act of arson and the case has now been forwarded to the Stearns County Attorney's office to review alternative courses of action for the student.

[Chris Reivers]

That ought to help out. Yeah.

[John Height]

The incident on March 31 for school staff and emergency crews to evacuate all students to a nearby nearby church. After an investigation, police determined the fire had been intentionally set inside a bathroom. Last week, the district said the school building will remain closed for about two weeks for deep cleaning and air quality restoration. It'll be done by about 90 to 100 professional cleaning staff that the district had to hire. The estimate of damage from the fire, $3 million. Minnesota.

[Joe Sucere]

The little brat isn't watched. That's only the beginning of his crime.

[Chris Reivers]

Well, Joe, his mind isn't fully developed though.

[Joe Sucere]

Did you see? As if he wanted to change his gender.

[Matthew]

That's true.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[Chris Reivers]

Did you speak into setting fires? Have you guys seen the viral TikTok video that's all over social media of the disgruntled warehouse employee?

[Joe Sucere]

No, I don't look at TikTok.

[Chris Reivers]

I know of the disgruntled warehouse employee who was upset that he only got like a. He set the toilet paper factory on fire.

[Matthew]

Yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

That would burn, wouldn't it?

[Chris Reivers]

It's not just a little fire, Johnny. It is acres of. And he posted this on his social media account?

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[Matthew]

He showed him lighting the actual tunnel

[John Height]

and he posted it.

[Chris Reivers]

Yes.

[John Height]

Did he get arrested? Oh, yeah, I would think so, yeah. Minnesota Air Rescue Team Mart is sharing details about a rescue operation it performed on March 30 to help an injured officer near Plainview. Minnesota Department of Natural Resources enforcement officer of Natural enforcement officer. Excuse me. Annette Schlage was working in the Whitewater Wildlife management area near Plain Plain View, working to remove an illegal deer stand. While removing the stand, she fell nearly 20ft, leaving her immobile. Due to her location in the wildlife management area being steep and heavily wooded, ground transport wouldn't be able to reach her. State patrol pilots and St. Paul fire rescuers conducted a hoist rescue, flying Schlage to the hospital for treatment. She is expected to make a full recovery.

[Joe Sucere]

You know what James Reese would have done? He would have crawled back to the road so somebody could see him.

[John Height]

In national and international headlines, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said yesterday he is seeking direct talks with Lebanon to disarm Iranian backed Hezbollah militants. The announcement came a day after Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon killed more than 300 people and followed repeated requests from Beirut. Talks between the two countries are expected to begin next week. In West Washington, Israel's military said IT targeted over 100 sites including Hezbollah headquarters and command and control centers. The bombardment strained the two week U. S Iran ceasefire brokered Tuesday which Israel says does not cover its ops in Lebanon. More than 1 million people in Lebanon have been displaced since last month and at least 1500 people killed. Meanwhile, traffic in the Strait of Hormuz remains restricted with Iran continuing to block vessel package as the U. S Iran cease fire hangs in the balance. Vice President J.D. vance expected to travel to Pakistan this weekend for peace talks with Iran. As you talked about earlier, Joe, NASA's Orion capsule containing four Artemis 2 astronauts will glide gently to a Pacific Ocean splashdown. But he Three giant parachutes early this evening, 707 hour time off the coast of San Diego. Godspeed will mark the end of the 10 day lunar odyssey that made the three Americans and one Canadian the first people to travel beyond lower Earth orbit since the final mission of the Apollo program in December. 72. I did look up. It looks like NBC will have a special on at that time where they will carry these flash down. But it doesn't look like CBS or abc.

[Joe Sucere]

They'll break in, Johnny, they'll break in.

[John Height]

Okay, okay.

[Chris Reivers]

Or will you be mad if they cut into the masters to do it?

[Joe Sucere]

No, because that's on a different channel.

[Chris Reivers]

Oh, that's true.

[John Height]

That's on a different channel.

[Chris Reivers]

Isn't it amazing that. What was the cost for this rocket? The Artemis?

[John Height]

It was.

[Chris Reivers]

You know, what was it? Whatever it was. And in the same state where this is going to land, Gavin Newsom has already spent 126 billion for that high speed rail line and it's still not open.

[Joe Sucere]

It does not go anywhere.

[Matthew]

It's just.

[Chris Reivers]

You know what it is? Hilarious.

[Joe Sucere]

No, it's corruption.

[Chris Reivers]

Corruption. That's it.

[Rice]

Yeah.

[John Height]

The largest monthly jump in gas prices in six decades caused a sharp spike in inflation in March, creating major challenges for the inflation fighters at the Federal Reserve and heightening the political hurdles for the White House. Consumer prices rose 3.3% in March from a year earlier according to the Labor Department. Up sharply from just 2.4% in February. The biggest yearly increase since May 2024. Most of that due to the war in Iran. On a monthly basis, prices rose 0.9% in March from February. The largest such increase in almost four years.

[Joe Sucere]

When we were talking to Jack Carr, could he see us?

[John Height]

Yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, okay.

[Matthew]

Why?

[Joe Sucere]

I was just curious.

[Matthew]

I saw he was trying not to look at you. I got some feedback from a female member in my family that's close to me that said holy hottie, I think is pleasing to the female eye.

[Chris Reivers]

As of April 2026, the estimated cost for California's High Speed RIA project, overseen by Governor Gavin Newsom's administration, has ballooned to over 126 billion. When it was first approved by voters in 2008, the price tag estimate was $33 billion.

[Joe Sucere]

It's going up a little,

[Jack Carr]

and it's still not done.

[Joe Sucere]

It won't be.

[John Height]

Book news. Digital books have grown in popularity over the past decade, but more Americans still read actual books in print, including me. Formats, including me also. Overall, 75% of US adults say they've read all or part of at least one book in the last 1212 months. That's. That's.

[Joe Sucere]

John, give me that again.

[John Height]

That's pretty low.

[Joe Sucere]

Give me the percentage again.

[John Height]

75% say they've read all or part of at least one book.

[Joe Sucere]

Good Lord. That's all they can come up with is all or part of one book.

[Matthew]

I got a bride that zips through them left and right.

[John Height]

Print continues to be the only book format used by majority of Americans. Roughly 2/3 of adults say they've read a physical book in the last 2012 months. About 3 in 10 adults, 31%, now report reading an ebook in the past year, up from 17% in 2011. Audiobooks have seen similar growth, with use of the format more than doubling in the same period. While most Americans have read at least one book in the past year, how many they read varies widely. As of October 2025, 38% of U.S. adults say they read one to five books in the past. Last year, 13% said they read six to 10, 10% read 11 to 2014, read more than 20. And 25% of Americans say they read none.

[Chris Reivers]

You know, I happen to be a bigger fan of the audiobook.

[Joe Sucere]

Stop that now.

[John Height]

That's.

[Joe Sucere]

I'd be in the upper percentiles.

[John Height]

Okay, you'd be in the 1% percenters. You'd be in the 14 that have read more than 20.

[Joe Sucere]

I'll say.

[John Height]

Yeah, me too. So what are you gonna do?

[Matthew]

Get a hobby.

[Joe Sucere]

About 75. How about that? 50 to 75.

[John Height]

Rook. I got more hobbies than you know. I could retire now.

[Joe Sucere]

It's better to be thought you're stupid than to open your mouth and reveal it.

[Matthew]

I do it every day.

[Chris Reivers]

The Garage Logic podcast.

[Matthew]

Let's go.

[Rice]

Oh, wow.

[Chris Reivers]

That's us Every day it new T shirt.

[Joe Sucere]

Are you too happy about the fact you should. You would love Jack Carr stuff. You would love it.

[Matthew]

I know I would.

[Chris Reivers]

What if you find.

[Matthew]

Where would I find the time?

[Chris Reivers]

What if you find out that we

[John Height]

actually do read books?

[Matthew]

How do you know? I really don't. And I'm just not.

[Joe Sucere]

Just I'm a fool.

[Matthew]

How do you know I'm not fooling you?

[John Height]

We. We just know.

[Joe Sucere]

I just know.

[John Height]

We just know.

[Matthew]

Gabe. Smile gives it away. I'm not fooling anybody.

[John Height]

And contrary to rumors floating around, Michael J. Fox is alive and well.

[Joe Sucere]

Good.

[John Height]

He took the threads to laugh off mistaken reports of his demise.

[Joe Sucere]

You know I played hockey with you. What really I did.

[Matthew]

In a media thing.

[Rice]

Yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

In a media deal here. Yeah.

[John Height]

Earlier, fans were concerned that he had died after CNN accidentally published a published a tribute video titled Remembering the Life of Actor Michael J. Frank Fox. In a threads post, Fox assured fans he's doing okay. He said, how do you react when you turn on the TV and CNN's reporting your death? He wrote, do you A switch to mnsp, MNSBC or whatever they're calling themselves these days? Or B, pour scalding hot water on your lap if it hurts your fine. C, call your wife. D, relax. They do this once every year.

[Joe Sucere]

It's tough right now to shake hands. Hands with him because it's all over the map.

[Chris Reivers]

He's got the shakes.

[John Height]

Yeah, he was in a couple episodes. Anybody here watch shrinking?

[Joe Sucere]

I saw, I tried it and I don't like it.

[John Height]

I Geez. I think it's just wonderful. But anyway, he was in a couple episodes this year and yeah, he's. He's hard to.

[Joe Sucere]

It's hard for him to control his movement.

[John Height]

It's hard for him to control his movie. He was very funny. He still can deliver a line which. Which is pretty amazing.

[Joe Sucere]

He and Harris.

[John Height]

Harrison Ford plays a doctor who has Parkinson's on the show.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[John Height]

And it's getting worse for Harrison Ford. And they had some scenes together that were very good. Very good. Anyway. Michael J. Fox Live.

[Joe Sucere]

And well, I'm glad he is.

[John Height]

So there you go. And the Justice Department has opened an investigation into whether the National Football League has engaged in anti competitive tactics that harm consumers.

[Joe Sucere]

Yes.

[John Height]

The Sports Broadcasting act grants the league limited antitrust protection to allow the the teams to collectively negotiate packages of TV rights. Media companies, regulators and members of Congress have raised concerns in recent months over how difficult it is for consumers to be able to watch their favorite sports games as a result of rights deals. In which leagues offer smaller packages of games to streamers. The nature and scope of the investigation couldn't immediately be learned. The spokesman for the Justice Department and the National Football League declined to come comment. When the Sports broadcasting Act of 1961 was passed, consumers largely were able to watch NFL games over broadcast tv. But now games appear on a host of different channels and platforms, some of which require a subscription. In February, the FCC announced it was seeking public comments on how this dynamic had affected consumers. Republican Senator Mike Lee, chair of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Consumer Rights, submitted a letter last month to the Justice Department and the FTC requesting a review of the antitrust exemption for the NFL.

[Joe Sucere]

I'm sure technology will will catch up to this, but my beef with, for example, watching the wild game last night, you've got to jump through a lot of hoops to get it. I got it. But you can't click. No. You can't zip over and see all the Masters doing.

[Matthew]

You're right.

[Joe Sucere]

You have to start all over to go back to the hockey game.

[Matthew]

I had to go through his thing. I couldn't get it myself.

[Chris Reivers]

I got news for you. That ain't changing anytime soon and it's going to get worse, especially once baseball renegotiates their deal.

[Matthew]

Who watches baseball?

[Joe Sucere]

I do.

[Chris Reivers]

Me.

[John Height]

I do.

[Joe Sucere]

And the Twins just swept the Tigers.

[Chris Reivers]

They are going to make playoffs.

[Joe Sucere]

Get back to you.

[Chris Reivers]

I we'll just give them a call.

[Matthew]

They are going to make the playoffs.

[Chris Reivers]

I have declared the.

[Joe Sucere]

I hope they do.

[Matthew]

I do too, but I just, I don't know where to find them anymore.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, channel 1261 at my house.

[Matthew]

I am Comcast.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, that's where you go. One two six one. That's the Twins channel.

[Chris Reivers]

I like to have the Twins on the background while I read a book

[Matthew]

I'm usually reading so I can't be distracted.

[Joe Sucere]

John, thank you so much.

[Chris Reivers]

Let's talk about Hoffman Water and Connecticut, shall we?

[Matthew]

Oh, sipping a nice crisp cold glass

[Chris Reivers]

of water, ice water while I'm reading a book. And the Twins game on in the background. That is summertime in the Reivers household. And you know what? You need to get on the schedule and have them come out for that free water analysis because spring is a wonderful time to have Hofferman Water and Kinetic come out for that free water analysis. I started out as a customer of Hofferman Water and Kinetico and it's been a phenomenal relationship because they have made the most amazing difference in the quality of my water. They will do that with you too as well, by the way, but call them directly. 612-895-2440 or you can also book your appointment [e-mail] either way, that will get you on the schedule. And as long as you're on that website, you can see every single different water treatment system that they have to offer. Whether it's a brand new water softener, maybe an iron rust and odor filtration system, or a brand new drinking water system. All of it will improve the quality of your water. 612-895-2440 or visit hoffermanwater.com and that's because Hofferman Water has been proudly serving the state of Minnesota. Minnesota for over 50 years. Do me a favor and mention that you heard about them here on the Garage Logic podcast.

[Joe Sucere]

A pad. Yes, Joseph, when was the last time the Twins swept the series?

[Rice]

I don't know. But a four gamer against Detroit? I don't know. They have to go back and find a 4 gamer. I bet there haven't been a whole lot of them.

[Chris Reivers]

I heard the last time that they were above.500 was June 16th of last year.

[Joe Sucere]

That is correct.

[Rice]

I knew that. I knew that. But.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, this is fun. This is thrilling. This is something to. Maybe they're getting spunk.

[Rice]

Well, they had a little spunk but we, we should remember that Detroit, you know, last year had a 15 game lead in what late June and they early July and they ended up tying for the division title and losing the tiebreaker to Cleveland. They were 28 and their last 69 games they were 28 and 41 last year. Then they won a playoff series. The, you know, the, the shock of the whole thing. Joe was beating school and not knocking him out with him and he didn't get through the fifth inning.

[Joe Sucere]

Right. I'm, I'm thrilled for the club. What the hell, it's fun. And the Wild, the Wild in Dallas had a nice preview last night. I think the Wild have lost any shot of having home ice. So they lost five to four in Dallas.

[Rice]

Gus says the Gus cannot, cannot allow the opposition to shoot 250. You know, shooting 250 in basketball is not good but shooting 250 in hockey is unacceptable for the defense for sure. He made 15 saves and they scored five goals. So that's not. Wasn't good to say the least.

[Joe Sucere]

Dallas has a nice club. I'm strong on our boys but Dallas has a nice club.

[Rice]

Now did you see the little scuffle at the end.

[Joe Sucere]

No, I was. By then I was back with the Masters.

[Rice]

Oh, okay. You were back with the Masters. Well, a little scuffle. It was just a little. It wasn't one of those old time pre previews of what a series might look like, but it was the scuffle. So, you know, we get. By the time we play game four in St. Paul in about a month, they'll be wanting to kill each other.

[Matthew]

There was some tens. Yes. There was tension at the end of the game.

[Joe Sucere]

I believe the playoffs will open a week from tomorrow.

[Rice]

A week from tomorrow. And when will we first be home, I wonder?

[Joe Sucere]

Well, it'll probably go Saturday, Monday. Probably not home till Wednesday, Wednesday or Thursday.

[Rice]

So a week from next Wednesday when we'll be home. Right. Okay. All right, well, get. Get downtown and if you're walking by and Tom Reed's bar. If you're going to Tom Reed's bar, be prepared for the sinkhole that they've been repairing in front of the gate.

[Joe Sucere]

It's all fixed now.

[Rice]

We finally got the sinkhole fit.

[Joe Sucere]

I think it's fixed.

[Rice]

Yep.

[Matthew]

Yeah, but you never know when the next one's gonna show up.

[Rice]

Reed said, you know, it's just business hasn't been real good. And then the sinkhole really didn't help much because people. People, you know, had to parachute in. So that was kind of hard. Hard on business. But yeah, let's have a nice run and get some people back on West 7th Street. What do you say?

[Joe Sucere]

It'll be fun. I'm shocked at the number of people who put the money out to wear jerseys. Those jerseys can't be cheap.

[Rice]

No kidding. And then you got to get a new one. You know, Quinn Hughes. You know, if you didn't have a Quinn Hughes jersey by two weeks after they got them, you were a cheapo man. I saw a bunch. I saw a fan family with. It was. It was mom, dad, and the two little kids from Woodbury, obviously like 6 and 8. And they both already had their huge

[Matthew]

jersey, so Wild Jersey Prices range from 75 to 185 for standard fan. Customized or authentic Pro models. 200 to four and a quarter.

[Joe Sucere]

Holy mackerel. Yeah.

[Rice]

You know, when the Twins. When the Twins unveiled their new unis out there, it was a whole new era of Twins baseball out at the mall. Small about five, six years ago. And they were. They were going to sell jerseys out there and you know, with these new Marlins looking uniforms and anyway, they were. Most of them were 300 bucks there. But I went to the Pro shop. I was going to get one for young Luke, a Buxton one. He liked Buxton. This is for like, so he's 15 now, so he's like 10 or 11. 7. Buxton jersey with one of the authentics.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[Rice]

Was about 350.

[Joe Sucere]

Holy mackerel.

[Rice]

Luke did not get a custom jersey.

[Joe Sucere]

Good.

[Rice]

Luke got like an 80 bucker from the old, old style or something like that. But it was, you know, it is a of matter amazing. Of all of. Of the many things that have changed with crowds, everybody showed up in the team's uniform. As you know. Look at the twins in the 65 series. Those old films. I don't think we sold them.

[Joe Sucere]

Did we have.

[Rice]

Could you buy a jersey then?

[Joe Sucere]

No. You were lucky if you had a hat.

[Rice]

Right. They might sell you a hat. Yeah, most. Most people were there with a, you know, a suit coat on. But yeah, it's. It's incredible. But it's. And more so in hockey than anywhere. More so in hockey, you know, but the. The sport that has the disadvantage of selling jerseys is basketball, because, I mean, who wants to walk around with their armpits showing off?

[Joe Sucere]

That's right.

[Rice]

So, yeah. Yeah. Guy like me, one of those big side boots.

[Matthew]

Nobody wants to see that.

[Joe Sucere]

You think that. Are the Timberwolves guaranteed to be the sixth seed?

[Rice]

Yes. They're locked into the sixth seed. They're honoring Kevin Garnett Sunday in an absolutely meaningless game. I don't know if anybody will show up, and they're not really. He's just gonna be there. I don't even think they're honoring him. Right. Reavers?

[Chris Reivers]

No, I think they're retiring his number at the beginning of the next year's season.

[Joe Sucere]

What's his number?

[John Height]

21.

[Joe Sucere]

Will they make a run in the playoffs, do you think?

[Rice]

No.

[Joe Sucere]

Okay.

[Rice]

All right. They're going to play Denver. Denver's mad at them. Jokic is playing great, and they just don't. Yeah, they just don't have the verb this year that they've had in the past two years, the spunk.

[Joe Sucere]

They don't have the spunk.

[Rice]

I didn't get one and done.

[Chris Reivers]

Well, the other challenge, too, is if they somehow find a way to get past the likes of Denver. They ain't beaten San Antonio or Oklahoma City in the second round.

[Rice]

No, no, no. But, you know, I settle right now for getting through the first round. Well, they, you know, they miraculously, two years ago, came back from, what down three to one against the Denver to get into the second round there. And, yeah, I just don't think they got it. I was watching and. Was it last night or the night before that? Finch, he just walked over and they were. Was it last night? They were getting their heads handed to him. Yeah, right. Last night. Right. I get confused and Fancy just walked over and started talking to the ref and with about two minutes to go and said something that got him his ninth sense go of the year. He wasn't screaming or anything. He just went and told him that you had a horse bleep night or something.

[Chris Reivers]

Or did he go over to. Can you just. Can you send me to the locker room? I'm tired of watching this crap.

[Rice]

I'm done here. But Edwards, you know, Edwards is only been playing every once in a while. They're trying to rest him up for the, for the thing. He's had some. What's. What, a foot. Some kind of foot problem or something.

[Joe Sucere]

Can NFL players get ejected for bad mouthing referees?

[Rice]

Very rarely. Very rarely. But I think they can if they, you know. Did you see that? The refs in the NFL are having a big squabble. The refs want their aid doubled.

[Joe Sucere]

Yes.

[Rice]

The NFL is threatening to get rid of all of them and use replacements. The NFL is putting great pressure on the refs to be better and the refs are very upset with them anyway because they. And then they don't want them to miss calls in this 22 person game where people are running over hitting each other with helmets. You know, they want. They want every call to be perfect. They this. So it's a feud. But replacement refs would certainly have a fine time officiating that game. For God's sake, Pat.

[Joe Sucere]

We'll talk to you Monday.

[Rice]

All righty. See you.

[Joe Sucere]

See you later.

[Rice]

See you later.

[Matthew]

We haven't had a good see you later for a while, have we?

[Joe Sucere]

See you later.

[Rice]

See you later.

[Joe Sucere]

Finally. Thank God. Today is Friday. Tgti Friday.

[Chris Reivers]

It's a scramble.

[Joe Sucere]

You play. Can you play Melania for me one more time or is that too hard to find?

[Chris Reivers]

No, I can just give me a second. I'll get her queued up.

[Joe Sucere]

I just wanna.

[Chris Reivers]

You wanna go out on a positive note?

[Joe Sucere]

Well, I want to do this this day, but I just wanted to hear Melania one more time. Need to end today. Speak English. Get a tutor. Flying a About me, Natasha of ethical standards.

[Rice]

Okay.

[Joe Sucere]

Humility. Thank you. And respect. That's all I wanted to hear. Just. I want to tell her to get a tutor. Only because they come to us all the way from Penguin Tasmania. They should be Leaving there any day now.

[Matthew]

I thought they were going to be leaving soon.

[Joe Sucere]

From the traveling linemans@worldwide waftage.com we didn't do squat. On this day, on April 10, 1855.

[Matthew]

All right.

[Joe Sucere]

Jacob Feldy was born in Norway. He sculpted the work Hiawatha and Minnehaha displayed in Minnehaha Park. And the statue of Oli Bull located in Loring park in Minneapolis.

[Matthew]

I'm familiar with the Hiawatha.

[Joe Sucere]

Is it wood? No, it's probably metal.

[Matthew]

Is it rock or metal?

[Joe Sucere]

On this day, April.

[Chris Reivers]

Excuse me. April 10th.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah. On this day in 1895, the ocean liner St. Paul was launched. The International Navigation Company had intended to launch the ship on March 25th, inviting 70 dignitaries to Philadelphia for the occasion. After the champagne bottle was broken, however, the ship refused to budge. Whoops. Wow.

[Rice]

Wow.

[Joe Sucere]

On this day in Minnesota, sports disappointment history.

[Chris Reivers]

Joe, who did we lose to on April 10th?

[Joe Sucere]

Well, on this day in 1929. This is very interesting. I did not know this. Minneapolis lost its bid to host the 1932 Winter Olympics. Where would they have had the skiing, I wonder? In Duluth.

[Matthew]

Buck Hill.

[Rice]

Yeah.

[Matthew]

Well, you know that USS St. Paul, launched on April 10 in 1890, commissioned April 20, 1898, decommissioned September 2, 1898. Didn't have a good run. That was about.

[Joe Sucere]

That was a short run.

[Matthew]

Month run.

[John Height]

Yeah, I read about it too. And they tried to recondition it. Did you get that Far road from World War II retrofitted. And while they were doing that, it sunk in New York Harbor.

[Matthew]

I think I'm Gonna bypass the St. Paul there.

[Joe Sucere]

On this day, April 10, on this day in 1953, the Lakers won the NBA title.

[John Height]

Who'd we beat?

[Joe Sucere]

Doesn't say.

[Chris Reivers]

Oh, why is that sports disappointment?

[Joe Sucere]

It's not. It was a disappointment when.

[Chris Reivers]

Suppose they.

[Joe Sucere]

Six years, seven years later, they left. On this day, April 10, in 1982, as part of Calvin Griffiths house cleaning, Roy Schmolley went to the Yankees.

[Chris Reivers]

Didn't that end up being, though, a decent trade for the Twins?

[John Height]

It did, yeah.

[Chris Reivers]

Because they got Gagny out of that deal.

[Joe Sucere]

Isn't that where you got Throw in the.

[Chris Reivers]

And we got. Throw in the Davis.

[Joe Sucere]

Throw in the Davis.

[Matthew]

And even Gorbachev, he scored a bit of a good throw in the Davis.

[Joe Sucere]

On this day, April 10, in 1982, the crowd at the Blackhawks game erupted into a fight.

[Matthew]

What?

[Joe Sucere]

On end. On this day, April 10, in 2021, three Minnesota teams failed to win the NCAA hockey title. Oh, God. What would they have been St Cloud, Minnesota and Mankato.

[Matthew]

Yep.

[Chris Reivers]

Because weren't they all in the final four?

[Joe Sucere]

19. I'm sorry, 2021.

[Chris Reivers]

Because we had three of the four teams in the frozen four and I think it was Denver that ended up winning it.

[Matthew]

Denver just won again.

[Joe Sucere]

Who won last night, Michigan or Denver?

[Matthew]

Denver beat Michigan.

[John Height]

The 82 hockey incident.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[John Height]

Intense brawls including multiple fights on the ice, beer throwing by North Star fans and rowdy crowd behavior during a 7 to 1 North Star's win.

[Joe Sucere]

It had to be a playoff game.

[John Height]

Yeah, I suppose that late then it would have, huh?

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[John Height]

Game. Yeah. Game five of the Norris Division and finals.

[Matthew]

Al Shaver calling that one.

[Joe Sucere]

Back in the the original six days, the Stanley cup playoffs would either be over or over any day now. The complete playoffs would be easier to

[Matthew]

follow when there's only six days would be over over.

[Joe Sucere]

Because it's a winter sport.

[Matthew]

You got a one in six chance of winning.

[Joe Sucere]

God almighty.

[Matthew]

I know.

[Joe Sucere]

Say thank you very much. G Ellers, you have big plans for the weekend?

[Matthew]

Hey, I do.

[Chris Reivers]

What are you gonna do?

[Matthew]

I don't know.

[Joe Sucere]

Big plans.

[Matthew]

People are coming over tonight. Kids are going out Saturday night to party hardy. Gabe's gonna be joining him. As a 21 year old, he'll be babysitting. Yep. I'll have baby Trey do us a

[Chris Reivers]

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[Rice]

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[Joe Sucere]

Free.

[Chris Reivers]

Yep, I use the word free 48 minute financial consultation with absolutely zero obligation and he will always give you the straight talk, he will never give you the sugar coated advice and he is on the line with us once again right here in garagelogic. And boy Josh, it's going to be an interesting close today to the market, isn't it?

[Josh Arnold]

It's going to be a very interesting close today for the market, particularly after several days of up. Well market technicians say the stock market is not in an oversold condition and it's not yet in an overbought condition. There was an awful lot of buying this week on news earlier about a two week cease fire and the potential opening of the Strait of Hormu this weekend at our sure you're all aware negotiators will be meeting in Pakistan to start I'll say the negotiation process for a longer ceasefire with the Iranian negotiating point of keeping the ability to keeping the ability to further develop their nuclear capability and for cessation of Israel. Israel attacking Hezbollah. The United States position is open the Strait of Hormuz and no enrichment of uranium. So it's going to be you know, quite difficult. As I indicated yesterday, very interesting piece I thought a good piece as well by son number two Judd Arnold on his on substack under Lake Cornelia Research which gave a pretty good I'll say comparison and outlook to what might happen during these negotiations. Judd compared the upcoming negotiations with what went on following the Yom Kippur War in 1973. If you have a chance readjudd substack port under Lake Cornelia Research. I say the market is going to be an interesting quote. One, the continued worries about price of oil and the outcome of talks over over the weekend. Two concerns about software as service companies, many of which have been crushed by we'll say AI. We'll just call them AI agents for lack of a better term right now and AI programs from OpenAI and most recently from Anthropic that can duplicate some of the software and service we'll say they work at a faster pace and given that many of the software as service companies work on a per seat subscription basis rather than an overall use basis, AI and the use of AI start replacing employees. There'll be fewer seat licenses or subscriptions used by many of these software as service companies. So they'll be forced to cut headcount and that's and other companies using their products will be doing the same. So that does not bode well for that model. Indeed right now companies like Salesforce.com and ServiceNow, you know, are definitely in bear market for the year. Each of those companies is down 30% year to date which is quite significant and down even more from their recent high. Microsoft in bear market territory down 22%. Microsoft faces some of the same issues on the subscriber basis and this also extends to other companies within the in the software space that as as well as companies outside of software including some of the cybersecurity names and even some defense contractors who traders are lumping in as being adversely affected by anthropic and open air products. Some of these companies will say in the cybersecurity space and in the defense space could could at these lower prices offer an opportunity to buy at lows because the need for cybersecurity and the need for defense products product is still I'll say particularly acute. Moving on however, while software is down hardware stock, the semiconductors and the memory stock have continued to move upward at a very fast pace and many of these companies have been benefiting again by the build out of artificial intelligence and we'll say the need need for more chips and the need for more compute. So this is health companies from Nvidia to Marvel to AMD and even down to intel which has been on a tear this week on news of Google using their their product and also a partnership we'll say with Tesla and SpaceX. Intel is still trading below it's 20 achievements 2001 high at just under $70 a share and should intel report a reasonably good number and give good guidance later later this month intel even with this fast one up and of course there's going to be some profit taking either on their earnings reports or after if their guidance doesn't match the movement the stock that could be an opportunity my view to either add positions or initiate some some position the hardware stuff not big big demand for that right now and big demand for chips as a as compute needs to expand. One last conglomerate and favorite of mine, Amazon, which is mine and my client's second largest position next to Apple, had a huge huge week after Andrew Jassy, the CEO issued a very enlightening annual report about Amazon's prospects and already getting a return on investment from the money spent on AI.

[Chris Reivers]

Excellent advice as always Mr. MoneyTalk. You heard him G ers. Now is the time for you to pick up the phone and make the call for that free 48 minute financial consultation again with absolutely zero obligation. And you do that just like I did by dialing 952-925-5608 where you always get straight talk and never, ever sugarcoated advice. Josh, once again, thank you so much for the time and the chat. Enjoy the rest of your day. Have a fantastic weekend and we'll talk to you again next week.

[Josh Arnold]

Yes, we will. Go Twins.

[Chris Reivers]

You got it. See you, Josh.

[John Height]

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[Joe Sucere]

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[Jack Carr]

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[Joe Sucere]

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[Rice]

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