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Joe Soucheray
Scott Charnold, investment consultant, brings you Garage Logic podcast. Oh, brother.
Kenny Olson
I got it.
Chris Reavers
1756.
Joe Soucheray
1756. Wow. April 13th. Write this down here. 1756, April 13th, 2026. 87 degrees on this day in 2023, and 2 degrees on this day in 1962. And the ice outs are starting to become plentiful. An A Tonka went out on this day in 1903-1912-1949-1964, 1984, 1985, 2009. White Bear went out on this day in 1941, 1960, 1964 and 2011. And a fellow named Jeff Miller wants me to know that Red Cedar Lake in Wisconsin went out April 12th. Sorry, sir, we don't, we don't do other lake.
Kenny Olson
You will decide.
Joe Soucheray
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John Hite
Hail the Flashlight King.
Joe Soucheray
And now from the mayor's office above the boathouse on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's Garage Logic with Chris Reavers manning technology corner, Kenny Olson from the crabby coffee shop, John Height in the newsroom, and of course the rookie here is your Flashlight King fireworks commissioner and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Joe Susher there. There's a piece in yesterday's Minnesota Star Tribune on page A4 and after and the headline was Africa's Valuable Mer in Danger. And the date line is Akadi, Ethiopia. I'm going to read you four paragraphs, then ask you a question. The critical note in some of the world's most well known perfumes is myrrh, a tree resin from the Horn of Africa that is under pressure from what experts call a historic drought. Threatened by the lack of water and nibbled by starving livestock. The trees that once formed a dense forest in the Somali region of Ethiopia are in danger, locals say. Earlier this year, researchers supported by the American Herbal Products association visited source of the prized resin that makes its way to global markets from some of the most vulnerable places on earth. The goal? To ensure that those who harvest the resin get more of the direct profits instead of middlemen along the opaque supply chain. What is missing nut from just the first four paragraphs?
Chris Reavers
How to spell myrrh?
Joe Soucheray
My R R H, what actually myrrh is. No, it was said it's a resin of a tree that's used for perfume.
Kenny Olson
I always thought that was the bummest, the worst gift for Jesus, you know. They're rummaging through. We got some gold, we got frankincense and what's this Mercy.
Joe Soucheray
I'm going to accept your answer.
Kenny Olson
Okay.
Joe Soucheray
It could be just me and it could be generational, which will turn out to be a sad note. This is written by Julianne Garon, the Associated Press. Maybe it's just me, but if you're going to write a story about myrrh, wouldn't it be high up in the story that that was one of the gifts the kings brought to the birth of Christ? It's such a. I mean, it's such an ingrained story throughout culture.
Kenny Olson
Yes. And it only comes up once a year.
Joe Soucheray
It's never mentioned in this story.
Kenny Olson
Wow.
Joe Soucheray
Yes. You in the back. Gold, frankincense and myrrh. Yes.
John Hite
This is from the Minnesota Star Tribune.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah.
John Hite
Imagine in the year 2026. Had Jennifer included that Christian note in that story, she would have been shredded.
Joe Soucheray
I doubt that. I really do.
John Hite
Are you joking?
Chris Reavers
Absolutely. She would be. Are you kidding me? No. I don't believe Protesting in front of the building.
Joe Soucheray
I don't believe that at all. I believe, more accurately, I would bet money that Julianne Garon does not know about the three kings arriving in Bethlehem. It took me 30 seconds to look it up. Balthazar, the king of Ethiopia, is the one who brought the myrrh.
Kenny Olson
Yeah.
Joe Soucheray
You're not alone. I text.
Kenny Olson
There's only one reason myrrh comes up, and that's because of Christmas.
Joe Soucheray
It's the only time it's ever come
John Hite
up in the world.
Josh Arnold
Never again.
Chris Reavers
Easter.
Kenny Olson
There's no myrrh.
Joe Soucheray
Unless you're a perfume freak and, you know, you study ingredients.
Kenny Olson
Okay. Kind of.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah. Here's a text string I had with Patrick. And it shocked me that he.
Kenny Olson
Hey, how's that myrrh? What's going on here?
Joe Soucheray
Just. Well. Hey, basemer, just a minute.
Kenny Olson
Where do I find fresh myrrh?
Chris Reavers
I can't even find the story.
Joe Soucheray
Well, it was on page A4 yesterday. And I said to Patrick at 9:14am Read the story about Murr in the Minneapolis paper today. What's missing in that story? And then I gave him the wrong page. And he says, what section?
Kenny Olson
Between the old.
Joe Soucheray
I said a. My page five has Hortons and an ad. I said, whoops, page four. Okay. He text back, let me go.
Kenny Olson
Let me go back.
Chris Reavers
Seen right out of the rest home.
Joe Soucheray
Right.
Chris Reavers
I borrow a diaper.
Joe Soucheray
So he text back, we're worried about drought and floods. Beyond that, I'm confused. And I texted back, I would think that any story about myrrh would have referenced the three kings and their gifts. And he text. He text back, I just lost it.
Kenny Olson
I missed.
Joe Soucheray
Oh, I got it back. Yes. But the author was too upset about this crisis to add such a colorful graph. And I said it should have been in the bleeping lead. It took me 30 seconds to find that Ethiopian King Balthazar brought the myrrh. And Pat says, I already harvested that resin. However the bleep he wanted. I. Is it me?
Chris Reavers
Definitely. Yeah.
Kenny Olson
I think.
Joe Soucheray
I bet she doesn't know about.
Chris Reavers
Would be fun to have an actual bet about this. I'm on Team Reavers.
Kenny Olson
She has to know about it. That's why she wrote about it. She just chose to exclude.
John Hite
But you guys are. You're glossing over the very fabric of why Kenny and I are in agreement on this. Let's just say, for argument's sake, she had included that. It gets to the editor's desk. The editor says this part's gotta get removed. We'll face severe backlash.
Chris Reavers
Absolutely.
Joe Soucheray
I do not believe that for a moment. I mean, I'm hard on the Minnesota Tribune. I'm not that hard on them. If that had been part of the story, I think everyone would have accepted it because it would have been so natural to have included that. As Rookie and I were saying, the only reference Murr has ever received throughout the history of the world has been that occasion. And to see Murr pop up in a story, the natural inclination would be to refer to its only time in history it was ever made known. People don't sit around and talk about myrrh, right?
Chris Reavers
No, nobody's disagreeing with that part, Joe. We're just telling you why.
John Hite
We just had a discussion. I forget how recently it was Easter and the fact that Ramadan is celebrated in schools, but when it comes to Christmas and everything else, we have to almost curtail everything in that celebration winter festival.
John Height
So are we blaming then Chris and Kenny, the Associated Press or the Star Tribune? Because this story's everywhere.
Chris Reavers
Oh, is this an AP story?
John Height
Yeah, it's an Associated Press.
John Hite
I would guess that it got to an end.
Chris Reavers
Then Chris and ke. Jenny are definitely right.
Kenny Olson
Yeah, there's confidence.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah.
John Hite
I just think if. If this person had included it, it would have got to the editor's desk and it would have been removed.
Joe Soucheray
I'm disagreeing.
Kenny Olson
Okay.
Chris Reavers
I am troubled that I was spelling mur M U I R. Well, that's
Joe Soucheray
the name of a famous photographer, John Muir.
Chris Reavers
That, to me, is. What's disturbing about this, is my spelling
John Hite
ABC News guys in that. David Muir.
Chris Reavers
David Muir.
Joe Soucheray
Boy, I hope. I hope I'm right. And you're wrong. Because if you're right, we're. We're really. That's pathetic. It's the only time in history that myrrh has ever been mentioned.
Kenny Olson
That's why I'm playing sycophant on this one.
Joe Soucheray
No, I have to be a sick of fan. You were right.
Chris Reavers
Okay, how do we find out? How do we get to the bottom of this? Because I want to know now.
Kenny Olson
We got to go to Patrick. Hey, what's that?
Chris Reavers
Ten minutes ago, I didn't care. Now it's. I'm obsessed with it.
Joe Soucheray
Gabe, can you call the AP? Oh, God, no. This might be fun. Call the AP. I don't even know where the AP's headquarters.
Chris Reavers
This could be a 45 minute.
Joe Soucheray
They have an off. They just look it up.
Chris Reavers
They're working out of an old bread van.
Joe Soucheray
Well, it might be. It really might be unlikely to reach this woman because the date line is Ethiopia. So she could be in the African AP bureau. It might be tough to track down. So.
Kenny Olson
And ran out of stories, so she decided to do myrrh.
Joe Soucheray
No.
Chris Reavers
Let's open the phone lines and see who agrees with Kenny and Chris.
Joe Soucheray
There's hardship in the mural. There's hardship in the myrrh industry.
Kenny Olson
We're running low.
Joe Soucheray
There's a drought affecting the myrrh trees.
Kenny Olson
We can't get through the strait to deliver myrrh.
Joe Soucheray
Okay, let me turn now. Let me try something else. That failed miserably.
Chris Reavers
No, I thought it was wonderful.
Joe Soucheray
We had something going.
Chris Reavers
Just because you're wrong doesn't mean the thing was a failure.
Joe Soucheray
Has anyone heard of Grandma Moses? Yes, John has. I've heard the name, but Chris hasn't. Right.
Kenny Olson
Not before 10 minutes ago.
Joe Soucheray
I had heard the name of Grandma Moses.
Chris Reavers
I have a prince.
Joe Soucheray
Well, for God's sake, he has a print.
Kenny Olson
Yes, my son has a print.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah. The big story on Grandma Moses in today's Wall Street Journal, she was known as the. What was she? The farmer painter or something to that effect. She painted, you know, to be cruel. It was ding ding. You know, she painted farms and beautiful scenes. But it wasn't really ding ding. It was better than ding ding.
Kenny Olson
Okay, yes, now I know who she is. We've got several of her paintings.
Joe Soucheray
Well, her name was.
Kenny Olson
No, no.
Joe Soucheray
I only bringing this up because I want to read you one paragraph. Her name was Anna Mary Robertson. Grandma Moses. She lived from 1860 to 1961. And John, why is this story in. She's got something coming up at the
John Height
Smithsonian American Art Museum. She has whole Display that will honor her career.
Joe Soucheray
Okay. And prior to today, I certainly had heard of Grandma Moses, but I didn't know a thing about her.
Kenny Olson
Okay.
Joe Soucheray
All right, here's what I learned. And I'm only bringing this up for one reason. Moses life forms the exhibit spine. And it was a rather hard one. She had little formal schooling and at age 12 was sent out to be a hired girl, never to return home or stop working again. Five of her 10 children died in infant infancy and both her husband and a grown daughter pre deceased her. But she had learned early on to take the bitter with the sweet, remain positive and keep busy. In her final decades, she completed more than 1600 paintings. And I only mention that because I think that's an example of an American spirit that's disappeared. That's the only reason I. That's the only thought that struck me this morning is that's today you have artists begging for public subsidies so they can live in the Schmidt brewery here. She got farmed out at the age of 12, never stopped working and took the good with the bad.
Kenny Olson
I am familiar with her works. I just didn't know that was who painted it.
Joe Soucheray
So that's all I had on that. I think that's a bit of Americana that no longer exists.
Kenny Olson
So your point is up and upcoming artist?
Joe Soucheray
No, my, my point is I, I think we're going to see very few Grandma Moses in the future. You know, speaking of that, I'm out for a walk Saturday and I come across two young people and they're begging for money for rent eviction. And they got clipboards and what they're doing is they're trying to gain signatures to force the city council to extend to the city.
Kenny Olson
They are the cause. Not for them personally, no.
Joe Soucheray
They already did the 60 day thing. I had a little chat with them and told them I was opposed to the 60 day that go extension that well. And I said, if you don't have any money in 30 days, what makes you think you're going to have more at 60? Well, it'll give us time to create programs. And I said, then I, you know, I didn't even use profanity or anything. I just, we had a little chat and I went on my way, you know.
John Hite
So you didn't sign.
Joe Soucheray
I did say, are you going to help pay my mortgage? Should we have some, should we have some public programs for that? And they had different colored hair and some facial jewelry and good luck to them.
John Hite
So things are going well in St. Paul?
Joe Soucheray
Not really.
Chris Reavers
I wonder if they even Know what a mortgage is?
Joe Soucheray
I doubt.
Chris Reavers
What's that Exactly. And the colored hair is kind of a dead giveaway.
Joe Soucheray
We the people.
Chris Reavers
Yeah, unfortunately. Huh.
Joe Soucheray
We the people.
Chris Reavers
And you want more people like that to vote, do you, in order to
Joe Soucheray
form a more perfect union? Well, what's Christ up to at the moment? Any fighting in the street? Or is Jesus taking a little time out? Or maybe another UFC fight?
John Hite
Can I share with you one thing I did look up? I just looked up, did Christian mentions in the news get removed? And there's again, it's AI. It's Google, it's whatever. But there are many, many, many points where they suggest this, including on social media, including in news clips. There's even a Fox News piece that was published a couple of months ago about a newspaper that lifts. Lifting the ban on the word Christian.
Joe Soucheray
Okay, well, we're going to do this now, John, if you could quickly Google Mer stories. And I'll bet you a dollar that every one of them you bring up, aside from the day, will reference the Three Kings. AI something.
Chris Reavers
AI is on your side, Joe.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah.
Chris Reavers
Based on the analysis of Associated Press style guidelines and reporting, there is no evidence that the AP systematically removes mentions of Christ when discussing Mercury in the context of the Christmas story or biblical narrative. Oh, so it kind of agrees with you. AP reporting is designed to be neutral, but it does not censor common knowledge or established religious accounts regarding the significance of these items. I think that also agrees with you.
Joe Soucheray
And my money is on the fact that this is a young woman who doesn't even know the story. That's my money. John, are you finding anything?
John Height
No, because all the stories I'm finding either are just descriptions of what Moore is or is the story we had from yesterday, which is in a lot of newspapers through the Associated Press.
Joe Soucheray
Well, Chris, I like to think of myself as terribly cynical, but you out cynic me, you're welcome. Because I believe that had that been in the. And it would have been to me, if I wrote the story, it would have been in the lead. You know, the same perfume that one of the kings brought to Bethlehem on the birth of Christ, who is now in trouble because blah, blah, blah, I do not believe the Star Tribune would have edited that out.
John Hite
But if you were writing it, that would have been a column.
Joe Soucheray
No, if I was that news person.
John Hite
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Joe Soucheray
It would have been automatic.
Chris Reavers
You have traditional values when it comes to reporting and journalism. When's the last time you started a sentence with I feel or never, you know, or Never.
John Hite
I mean, never.
Kenny Olson
It was a cold, stormy night.
Joe Soucheray
So ever.
Chris Reavers
The kids.
Joe Soucheray
The kids today aren't learning. It is my point. They need to be learned. Yeah, I don't want to do that. Well, okay. For you, I will.
John Height
I'm not.
Joe Soucheray
Okay. I know a guy who was driving home Saturday night and a pothole took out two of his tires. Not me, because I see them.
Kenny Olson
You got a little awareness.
Joe Soucheray
I know where they all are. My route is based on potholeism.
Kenny Olson
I believe that.
Joe Soucheray
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Chris Reavers
It's the end of the world as
Joe Soucheray
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Chris Reavers
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Joe Soucheray
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Chris Reavers
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Joe Soucheray
Wow. Professional turf.com over the weekend I was clipping a number of stories because I don't have fun. I just work. In the Daily Mail there was this headline. America's most dysfunctional State, that's us. Just keeps getting worse as more scandal hits Liberal stronghold. It's 15 pages long. Wow. Wow. I'm not going to read you the whole thing. Obviously it has seen deadly ice shootings on the streets and is home of the biggest theft of taxpayer dollars in U.S. history. And now a millionaire who has been on Krabby Coffee has lifted the lid on just how dysfunctional Minnesota has become at every political turn Since Donald Trump retook office last year, the Tim Walls led state has reeled from scandal after scandal with the President regularly taking aim at it at his state of the Union address in February, address Trump blasted. When it comes to the corruption that is plundering America, he should include himself. There has been no more stunning example than Minnesota, where members of the Somali community have pillaged an estimated 19 billion from the American taxpayer. That number is in dispute, but they've plundered quite a bit. And it just goes on and on and on. It has since been revealed that Ilhan, Omar and Walls had connections with at least some of the Somali refugees charged in the massive scheme. Once again, it is under the spotlight for more reported fraud involving the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, as one millionaire found a loophole that allowed him to qualify for food stamps and then spend the money on luxury items. And earlier this year, Minnesota quickly became the state on every American's mind. Renee Good and Alex Preddy were shot dead by ICE agents at separate protests. And then it says all eyes have been on Minnesota in recent months. That's a cut line. That's a cut line. Oh, the hell. Anyway, there's a lot of news there. We're a national punching bag. We're a national joke.
Kenny Olson
What's next?
Chris Reavers
I think Daily Mail must go to the Minnesota News every day, huh?
Joe Soucheray
I think they must have people here.
John Height
I think they have a correspondent. I remember reading a story there and it said, whoever's in Minneapolis, blah, blah, blah.
Joe Soucheray
They often have more Minnesota stuff than the Minnesota papers. Also in the Daily Mail. I believe this was over the weekend, too. Maybe it was yesterday, I don't know. We're now missing the 10th person tied to US secrets.
Kenny Olson
We're in double digits now.
Joe Soucheray
Another person with links to America's nuclear secrets has gone missing as the disturbing list of deaths and disappearances in recent years continues to grow. They're getting younger, too. This guy is Steven Garcia, 48. Vanished without a trace on August 28th last summer. He was last seen leaving his Albuquerque, New Mexico home on foot carrying only a handgun. An anonymous source told the Daily Mail that Garcia was a government contractor working for the Kansas City National Security Campus, a major facility in Albuquerque that plays a key role behind the scenes in America's national defense. Specifically, Kansas City National Security manufactures more than 80% of all the non nuclear components that go into building the military's nuclear weapons. Garcia allegedly served as a property custodian, giving him top security clearance and broad access to the entire site's nuclear secrets. The source described Garcia's work as very high level overseeing position of all assets, tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars in equipment and assets, some of which are not classified. Others would be classified. The government contractor's sudden disappearance marks the 10th person with ties to America's space or nuclear secrets who has died or mysteriously vanished in recent years, putting US national security experts on edge. Moreover, four of these officials, including this guy, have vanished without a trace in almost the same manner as Garcia, and all had a connection to U.S. nuclear secrets or rocket technology. So there you have it, folks. According to police in Albuquerque, Garcia was last spotted on surveillance cameras walking out of his home on Cattail Court in a green camouflage shirt and shorts just after 9am local time. He was carrying a handgun and warned to authorities that. And authorities warned that Garcia may be a danger to himself. However, the anonymous source disputed any suggestions that the nuclear official may have been suicidal. He was a very stable person, they declared, adding that the possibility of Garcia being the target of foreign spies makes the most sense. Former FBI Assistant director Quis Swecker previously told the Daily Mail, our scientists have been targeted for a long time, especially in the rocket propulsion area, by hostile foreign intelligence services. Days after Garcia's disappearance, his company reportedly launched a desperate search for him, including going through his work computers, emails, and files for any clues to his whereabouts. Nothing has been found. It's a little strange that these people just keep disappearing. I mean, he literally just walked off into the desert with a firearm and a bottle of water and that was it, the source said, comparing it to the disappearance of retired Air Force General William Neil McCasland. Casselin, 68, was last seen around 11am Feb. 27 of this year near Quail Run Court in Albuquerque. He also. McCasland, who also lived in Albuquerque, vanished after leaving his home with no phone, wearable devices, or his prescription glasses. He, too, was carrying only a.38 caliber revolver.
Chris Reavers
We. We need a dry erase board. There's a lot of odd similarities.
Joe Soucheray
Wow.
Chris Reavers
They leave their phone and wallet, they take a gun. The last two you mentioned lived at
Joe Soucheray
Cattail Court and this one, Quail Run Court.
Chris Reavers
I would love to see a list of all the similarities. And don't you think that them saying foreign intelligence services are interested in them? Do you think that's deceptive, that they're trying to send you down the wrong road, that maybe our services are grabbing them?
Joe Soucheray
I.
Chris Reavers
What is.
Joe Soucheray
What.
Chris Reavers
Why are they taking a firearm?
Joe Soucheray
And why nothing else?
Chris Reavers
And the guy brought a.38 revolver?
Joe Soucheray
Yeah.
Chris Reavers
Oh, he could just as well bring up a feather duster.
Joe Soucheray
Well, what. Why wouldn't they bring their phone or their wallet?
Chris Reavers
And why the gun?
Joe Soucheray
Or does the phone? Were they fearful that the phone could track Them?
Chris Reavers
Yeah, of course. Whoever told them to come.
Joe Soucheray
Were they. Were they going out in hopes of being bait? Sitting, then get the first draw on the guy who showed up?
Chris Reavers
I think they. They left out of fear. They were told to leave their phone in their wallet. We just want to talk to you for a minute. And boom, they've been disappeared.
Joe Soucheray
And the others who disappear without a trace are Anthony Chavez and Melissa Cassius. They were with the Jet Propulsion Lab.
Chris Reavers
And where did they live? I'm thinking leafy green suburbs.
Joe Soucheray
They were last seen leaving their homes in New Mexico on foot, leaving behind their cars, keys, wallets and phones. Wow. Without leaving before disappearing without a trace. Less than four months after Garcia. Before Garcia vanished.
Chris Reavers
But why would our guys grab them, snatch them like that? Our guys wouldn't do that. They just go to their work and say, we have a few questions. Could you come with us? And then shove them in the back of a van?
Joe Soucheray
And then, get this. Garcia, Chavez and Cassias have been tied to General McCaslin, who was the former commander of the Air Force Research Lab.
Chris Reavers
What have you learned about all of this? When you get that phone call and the voice says, we need to talk to you.
Joe Soucheray
What have I learned?
Chris Reavers
Me to set the four.
Joe Soucheray
I'm going the other way.
Chris Reavers
I'm not even leaving the house.
Joe Soucheray
What the hell is going on? Who do I hear. Do I hear him talking?
Kenny Olson
I think he may be talking to your.
Joe Soucheray
She might have got our gal. Chris might be on the phone to our guest about Murr, hoping that we can talk to her, but he's got to inform her first that we're on the air and all that legal bs.
Kenny Olson
Well, she probably wants to know a little background about the show.
Joe Soucheray
Then you got the guy out in Boston, Nuno Lurio, 47. He was assassinated at his home.
Chris Reavers
Oh, so that's what happens if you don't agree to meet him.
Joe Soucheray
Astrophysicist Carl Grillmare was shot to death in the front porch of his home.
Chris Reavers
Also a resistor.
Joe Soucheray
He was a California Institute of Technology researcher involved heavily with the Jet Propulsion Lab. What do you say, Chris?
John Hite
Is she on hold yet? Are you ready?
Joe Soucheray
I didn't say that. I said. What did she say?
John Hite
She just called me back and she said she's been on a couple of calls, but she'd be happy to chat with us in about 10 to 15 minutes.
Joe Soucheray
Oh, I'd love to.
Kenny Olson
Perfect.
Joe Soucheray
Love to.
Kenny Olson
Is she on hold yet?
Joe Soucheray
Oh, Jesus. You got her?
Chris Reavers
Let's go. What are you waiting for?
Kenny Olson
Yeah, come on.
Joe Soucheray
I'm done. I Don't know where to take this. Jason Thomas, a pharmaceutical researcher testing cancer treatments at Novartis was found dead in a lake.
Chris Reavers
Okay.
Joe Soucheray
A month ago while disappearing without a trace three months earlier.
Chris Reavers
Yeah, but big deal. What does he have to do with this program?
Joe Soucheray
Those aliens want to know how we're doing with medicine.
Chris Reavers
So you're still thinking it's aliens? If it's aliens, why wouldn't they just snatch them in the typical alien fashion?
Joe Soucheray
I don't know what it is. Russians, Chinese, us. I don't know what it is. But it's undeniably a legitimate mystery that has nothing to do with us wearing tinfoil hats. This is happening. We're up to 10 people.
Chris Reavers
Would you assume that Maybe. I think I would. That both China and Russia are on an equal playing field as US when it comes to this sort of technologies? I don't see a reason for them to do the snatching. It would have to be a lesser nation that doesn't.
Joe Soucheray
But I don't think a lesser nation could pull this off to this extent. Who's going to do it? Bulgaria? No.
Chris Reavers
Is it those bastard Norwegians talk or
Kenny Olson
somebody's going to know something. Something.
Chris Reavers
It's the Swedes.
Joe Soucheray
Ah, there's too many Swedes. I. I. Do you ever get the feeling that there's something going on we don't know anything about?
Chris Reavers
This is.
Joe Soucheray
This is one of them.
Kenny Olson
This is one of them 10 guys.
Joe Soucheray
This is dastardly.
Chris Reavers
And do we want to know?
Joe Soucheray
I do. I. I want to know everything.
Kenny Olson
Well, it's going to keep me out of that field, I'll tell you that.
Joe Soucheray
I ain't going into that word right.
Kenny Olson
Exactly.
Joe Soucheray
Got a nice job opening for you at Los Alamos. No, I think I'll. I think I'll stay here, work at Menards Custodial. Why don't we take a break and let John Hite do his thing? But first I'd like to tell you that given this break in the weather, I hope you're getting out to Ecofund Motorsports in Forest Lake on Highway 97, immediately west of 35 and get your electric bike for a season of riding. Electric bikes on sale at 899. There were over 400 electric bikes in stock. Kaylin Blum, the daughter of the owner, Tim Bloom, is an electric bike savant. He'll leave there with absolutely the right fit and finish. Over 130 motorcycles on display. Jet Skis and Waverunners and Eco Funnel. Throw in the $1,500 trailer at no expense to you. Youth recreational equipment, yard equipment, outdoor equipment. It is hands down the most fun story you'll in. And it's also in Burnsville on the service road of life near County Road 42. Eco Fun Motorsports man. They're open for your summer enjoyment and a dangerous website. Ecofunmotorsports.com. The Earth is NOT YOUR mother the
John Hite
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Chris Reavers
Joe, before we go to John, I think we need to take one name off the list and go back to nine people missing. All right, David. Michael David hicks died in 2023, age 59.
John Height
Yeah.
Chris Reavers
Due to a cardiovascular disease.
Joe Soucheray
I'll be glad to take him off the list.
Chris Reavers
He was take. He was, as they described, morbidly obese.
Kenny Olson
Morbidly.
Chris Reavers
And that that was a significant condition.
Joe Soucheray
All right, we'll take him off the list.
Chris Reavers
For some reason, the medical examiner still lists the death as being open.
Joe Soucheray
Really? I mean, I have to call it morbid.
Chris Reavers
I know I had to get that part in.
Joe Soucheray
Here's John Height.
John Height
Thank you, Joe. This news brought to you by North American Baking Co. A North Metro school district canceled classes today because of a suspected ransomware incident. Spring Lake Park School said there was no school today due to several school technology systems that are down. The district added all child care, community ed programs and after school activities are also canceled today. Yesterday, the district's technology team confirmed someone gained access to some school district systems in a suspected ransomware incident. Staff immediately shut down all systems to prevent further access, including those required to safely have school. The district said it's working with third party cybersecurity experts and law enforcement to restore systems as quickly as possible and they'll provide an update at some point today. Hennepin County Sheriff's Office says it's recommending charges against four people stemming from protests outside the Whipple Federal Building on Saturday. In total, the sheriff's office said four people were arrested, three of them tied to the assault of a journalist and a deputy, while the fourth is charged with gross misdemeanor obstruction with force against a deputy. Turning Point USA reporter Savannah Hernandez posted on social media she was mobbed and assaulted while filming a protest at Whipple. However, it isn't confirmed if the charges against the four people were in connection to Hernandez. Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Harmeet Dhillon also confirmed on social media that the FBI opened an investigation into the assault.
Joe Soucheray
John, we're going to take a timeout in your news and are we speaking to Julieann?
John Hite
Yes, she was kind enough to join us.
Joe Soucheray
Julianne Garon. Am I saying that correctly, young lady?
Julianne Garon
Yes. Julianne Garan. It's nice to meet you.
Joe Soucheray
How are you? Are you in Africa as we speak?
Julianne Garon
I am not. I am back in Boston.
Joe Soucheray
Is that where you're based?
Julianne Garon
I am.
Joe Soucheray
Are you a freelancer or an AP full timer?
Julianne Garon
I'm a freelancer.
Joe Soucheray
We read your story. I read your story over the weekend in the local Minneapolis newspaper and it was an interesting story on the critical problems being faced by myrrh trees. Apparently there's a drought and this resin that is crucial to the manufacturing of perfume is problematic. Now, am I on the right track?
Julianne Garon
Yes. Yeah. And it's actually used myrrh. So people often don't know what myrrh is. But if you hear frankincense and myrrh, right, Then people know. Right. The wise men brought frankincense and myr are different trees. Frankincense comes from one tree, myrrh comes from another tree. And both are being affected by climate change and myrrh as well as frankincense but are also used in natural remedies in religious practices so widely beyond just perfumes, which was sort of the focus of this narrative, and they're also critical to livelihood.
Joe Soucheray
Well, the reason I called, I believe you might have answered me already. You mentioned the wise men who brought gold, frankincense and myrrh. It was Balthazar, the king of Ethiopia, who brought myrrh to the birth of Christ. I'm wondering, did you have that in your story and was it edited out or you just didn't put it in your story?
Julianne Garon
We didn't have that in the story, and only because that is so often the only narrative around frankincense and myrrh. And it does interest me. We are actually looking at sort of the religious supply chain around frankincense and mer and bringing transparency there. But we wanted to expand the storytelling beyond the wise men and beyond stories in December to tell the story of the trees, the climate impact, and the people who, you know, this is life and death for them if they don't have to be a part of their income.
Joe Soucheray
Well, you are to be commended. You answered my story, and I thank you mightily. We had a bet going here. A lot of people on the staff thought you had it in the story and it might have been edited out by newspapers, afraid to get into the theological nature of it. And I was betting that you just didn't have it in the story.
Julianne Garon
Ah, there you go. It's a vital part of the story, but it's the only thing most people know. So we wanted to expand knowledge.
Joe Soucheray
Thank you very much.
John Hite
Before you go, tell. This is Chris, the guy you spoke to on the phone. Explain to Joe, who's a dye in the wool, longtime newspaper guy, your role as being a photographer and your role with picking up this story for the ap.
Julianne Garon
Of course. Yeah. So I went on the story because it interested me personally. I grew up in the Catholic Church, and so of course, the religious side compelled me. But then also, I work on a lot of agricultural stories as a photographer, and I'm fascinated by sort of the intersection of the environment, agriculture, and remote livelihoods, which we all used to live off the land in the old days. You know, 100 years ago, we all were farmers, and now we're so removed. So I really. This was a story that I pursued with other members of the Explorers Club, which I'm a member of, and felt that it was just a very important story that people just don't see.
Joe Soucheray
Very cool. Thank you.
Julianne Garon
Yeah. Thank you so much for having me.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah, thank you very much, Julianne Guran. Well, I just think that.
John Hite
Is that a ray of hope?
Joe Soucheray
Absolutely. I couldn't have been more wrong. She not only familiar with this story, she grew up with it. Which is what I. I was wondering.
Kenny Olson
I'm surprised Kenny let you admit that before he jumped in.
Chris Reavers
Oh, I was wrong, too.
John Height
Yeah. I was gonna say, I think it's the mirror case.
Joe Soucheray
We were all wrong. I think we were all wrong.
Kenny Olson
I forgot how we voted.
John Height
Everybody's wrong.
Joe Soucheray
Everybody was wrong. And she pursued a story knowing perfectly well the real story. Wanted to broaden our awareness of Murr. Thank you very much, young lady. And now back to John.
Chris Reavers
The Explorers Club is an international organization dedicated to the advancement of of field exploration and scientific inquiry.
Joe Soucheray
Girl after my own heart. She's a member of the Explorers Club. I wonder if she has a pith helmet. Think so, yeah.
John Height
In other news, a property tax air in Olmstead county resulted in an extra 1 1/2 million dollars being collected by the county. The data entry air was a human mistake that resulted in the surplus of assessed funds. Olmsted County Board Chair David Senjam said community trust is one of Olmsted County's strategic priorities. And we understand the significance of getting our property tax levy right. We're now taking concrete steps to strengthen our controls to prevent errors like this in the future. We remain accountable to you and to being responsible stewards of public funds. According to officials, the one and a half million accounts for about 1% of the overall county levy and steps are being taken to make sure it doesn't happen again. As for what will happen to the extra property taxes collected, county staff is recommending the funds be placed in the 2027 budget. County Administrator Travis Greensee said this was a genuine human mistake. To rectify this situation, staff will recommend the one and a half million in funds collected be sequestered and allocated for the 2027 budget.
Joe Soucheray
There are only two O counties, Olmstead and Ottertail.
Chris Reavers
Where is Olmsted, Joe?
Joe Soucheray
I think that's down by Rochester somewhere. I don't know for sure, John.
Chris Reavers
Nothing in that story about giving it back. How much does that amount to for the average Olmsted resident?
John Height
It's only 1% of the overall county levy.
Chris Reavers
So you would assume pennies?
John Height
Yeah, pennies. And it will go into the budget next year, meaning, you know, it'll be
Joe Soucheray
lowered by pennies then?
John Height
Yeah, but, you know, you think that's really going to happen, John?
Joe Soucheray
No, no.
John Height
They'll just add.
Joe Soucheray
They'll get a new Fire truck or something.
John Height
From the Star Tribune. Spurred by resident stories of foreclosures and sky high fines, a bipartisan group of legislators is nearing the finish line on a years long push to curtail the power of homeowners associations in Minnesota. Legislation that would require more transparency from hoas, which act as quasi governments that collect fees, provide services and enforce rules for more than 1 million residents across Minnesota, is nearing a final vote in the state House after clearing the Senate last year. If successful, it could become a rare moment of agreement in what's otherwise been a largely unproductive session. The HOA Bill of Rights still faces some opposition from some property management companies, HOA lawyers and residents who argue legislation could drive up legal costs for the associations and in turn their members. Those advocates say HOAs collect dues and levy fines to remain solvent and provide necessary services that local governments are increasingly outsourcing. One recent study estimated about 8,000 HOAs across Minnesota cover more than 600,000 housing units and about 1 1/2 million residents. Many of those HOAs already operate well, according to their advocates. Why don't we take a quick break here? Come back with some national and international news after we hear from Kenny Olson.
Chris Reavers
I'd rather hear from you guys. What are you guys paying for gas per gallon these days?
John Height
346 this morning.
John Hite
371 this morning.
Joe Soucheray
I'm over. I. I have premium so I always get.
Chris Reavers
You put in the good stuff.
Kenny Olson
359.
Chris Reavers
With these prices, we should be. It behooves us to take all the steps we possibly can to ensure we're getting the best mileage. Simple maintenance.
Joe Soucheray
Why doesn't Trump just turn some water into gasoline?
Chris Reavers
Jesus Christ. Really? In the middle of my ad? Really?
Joe Soucheray
It was good. It was really hell.
John Height
You.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah.
Chris Reavers
Turn your mic off. Okay.
Joe Soucheray
All right.
Chris Reavers
What was I saying?
Kenny Olson
You're talking about gas prices.
Chris Reavers
Simple maintenance like proper air pressure. That slow leak that's dragging you down. Get it fixed. Slamming potholes all winter. I bet you need an alignment. Stop into schoonovers. Get that tire fixed. Get an alignment while you're in there. And you know what? Get an oil change to pop in a new air filter. All of those things will help with your mileage. Quit stomping on the throttle every chance you get. Roll into the throttle. Ease into the brakes. Unless you're on an on ramp. Then hammer it. Let's go here, Potsy. One last thing. If you haven't already, dump in a bottle of seafoam at your next fill up. Or if you do add, you know, say a heavy pour once a month. Just keep doing it. That's what's keeping your vehicle happy. It's keeping those carbureted and injector vehicles running clean. It preserves of preserves ignition vapors. That makes starting a lot easier for both gas and diesel engines. No matter what time of the year it is, it's always time for seafoam, a wonderful product in a world of overpriced bad gas. Seafoam. John.
John Height
Thanks, Kenny. In other news, President Trump announcing yesterday the US Would begin blockading the Strait of Hormuz. That decision comes after talks with Iran collapsed Saturday over broad disagreements including Iran's nuclear program, ending the highest level negotiations between to since 1979. The US blockade applies to, in the president's words, any and all ships trying to enter or leave the Strait of Hormuz. Iran has been selectively blockading the strait since the US And Israel attacked Iran in February. Some ships have been allowed to pass, with Iran charging a toll of up to $2 million per ship. Iran itself exported 1.9 million barrels of crude oil per day in March, up about 100,000 barrels per day from the prior three months. Meanwhile, the president told Fox News yesterday, we numerous countries are going to be helping us with this also. That is not happening, though. Early today, no sign of any volunteers from any other countries. A lot of countries staying mum on the idea. Others who talked about it weren't in favor. Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said his country will not support a blockade. His Australian counterpart, Anthony Albanese, said his government had not been asked to help and instead called for de escalation of the conflict. And Trump's proposed blockade makes no sense, according to Spain's Defense Minister, Margarita Robles. She said since this war started, nothing makes sense. This is another episode in the downward spiral the world has been dragged into. Turkey strongly criticized Benjamin Netanyahu, describing him as the Hitler of our time and said they could possibly attack Israel. Came after the Israeli prime minister shared a post on X criticizing Erdogan, the president of Turkey. He wrote, under my leadership, Israel will continue to fight against Iran's terrorist regime and its proxies, in contrast to Erdogan Cardigan, who aids them and even slaughters his Kurdish citizens. In response, the Turkish Ministry of Foreign affairs released a statement in which it referred to Netanyahu as the Hitler of our time and accused Israel of undermining ongoing peace negotiations.
Joe Soucheray
Do the Greeks ever do anything? You never hear about Greece. They going to help out.
Kenny Olson
They just eat that Mediterranean diet. That's pretty much it.
Joe Soucheray
If Greece, if Turkey invaded Israel from the rear, would Greece help? Hey, now. Something like that. An old joke,
John Hite
You know, we're. We're on.
Joe Soucheray
I don't care.
John Height
I just don't care. Us, US President, Greece.
Joe Soucheray
You never hear about them. They're just.
Kenny Olson
They're under the radar.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah, they got the islands under the radar.
John Height
It was quite the setup, though, Joe. It was pretty nice, actually.
Joe Soucheray
I thought so.
John Height
President Trump has shared a. Well, let's call it a peculiar image of himself portrayed as Jesus Christ.
Joe Soucheray
That's why I thought he might turn water into gas. I shouldn't have interrupted Kenny, and I apologize, but that's the image I had. He's gonna wave his hands over some barrels of water, and the next thing you know, you got gas.
John Height
The president did address that this morning. I'll get to that in just a minute. If you haven't seen it, it went viral across social media platforms before he withdrew it, actually, from his Twitter truth social platform. And it drew criticism from a lot of sources. The image posted just hours after the president launched an extraordinary tirade against the head of the Catholic Church, Pope Leo. Writing on his truth social platform, Trump described Pope Leo as weak on crime and terrible for foreign policy. He said Leo should get his act together as pope, use common sense, stop catering to the radical left, and focus on being a great pope, not a politician. The criticism followed Pope Leo using a peace vigil at St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City on Saturday to make a direct appeal to world leaders to abandon conflict and return to the negotiating table. The Pope also pushed back today, telling reporters that the Vatican's appeals for peace and reconciliation are rooted in the gospel and that he doesn't fear the Trump administration. He said, to put my message on the same plane as what the president has attempted to do here, I think, is not understanding what the message of the gospel is today. That post, as I said, was taken down from truth social media. The president talked with reporters, was asked about the post. He said, yes, he had posted it and said it wasn't a depiction of me, of Christ. It was me. I did post it, and I thought it was me as a doctor. Had to do.
Joe Soucheray
That's wrong and he's lying one step too far.
John Height
And had to do with the Red Cross.
Joe Soucheray
Oh, for Christ's sake.
John Height
It's supposed to be me as a doctor.
Joe Soucheray
Are people sick of this?
John Height
Making people better? And I do make people better.
Joe Soucheray
Boy, if the Pope leaves home without his wallet and his phone, he's carrying a handgun and he disappears. We got something going here.
John Height
Wall Street Journal reporting President Trump is repeatedly promising his top administration officials he'll pardon them before he leaves office, according to people who have seen or heard the comments.
Joe Soucheray
Did they do something wrong, Jim?
John Height
Not yet. Yeah, I'll pardon everyone who's come within 200ft of the Oval Office, trump said in a recent meeting. In one conversation with advisors in the dining room next to the Oval Office last year, the president said he would host a news conference and announce mass pardons before he left office. Some of the people said. The people said they weren't aware of any specific pardons being offered to specific people for specific acts. That lawsuit that the president filed against the owner of the Wall Street Journal that was thrown out this morning by a federal judge. U.S. district Judge Darren Gales in Florida dismissed Trump's $10 billion lawsuit against Rupert Murdoch in the Wall Street Journal, which alleged the newspaper defamed the president in a story linking him to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. The judge ruled that Trump had failed to make the argument that the article was published with the intent to be malicious, suspicious, but gave the president a chance to file an amended complaint. The president is allowed to amend the lawsuit to address the issue and refile by April 27. The President had filed the lawsuit last July after promising to sue the paper immediately after it put the spotlight on his relationship with Epstein. The paper published an article that described a sexually suggestive letter that it said bore Trump's signature and was included in a 2003 album compiled held for Epstein's 50th birthday. The letter was subsequently released by Congress, which subpoenaed the records from Epstein's estate. Hungarian voters turned out record numbers, ousting surprisingly longtime leader Viktor Orban yesterday and electing the party of center right, Peter Magyar. Turnout over 77%, the highest in nearly four decades. It is 16 years in power. Orban's national populist excuse me, Fidesz party won four consecutive elections. Orban has been known for cracking down on migration, LGBTQ rights and media access. Internationally, he's been known as a counterweight to the European Union's pro Ukrainian positions, using the country's veto power to block a loan to Kyiv. As recently as last month, President Trump has endorsed Orban, with Vice President J.D. for advance, stumping alongside him last week.
Joe Soucheray
The new guy is going to keep Orban's immigration views. He was part of Orban's party. Yes, and I'm all for him keeping his immigration views. They should. Europe's going under fast.
John Height
Yeah, he sounded kind of the same, except perhaps the authoritarian streak that Orban gained the last couple of years. Representative Eric Swalwell, Democratic Democrat from California, last night said he is suspending his campaign for California governor on the heels of sexual misconduct allegations against him. He said to my family, staff, friends and supporters, I'm deeply sorry for mistakes and judgment I've made in my past. I will fight the serious false allegations that have been made, but that's my fight, not a campaign's. Swalwell's announcement came after growing calls by former allies and others that he drop out of the the race to succeed Governor Gavin Newsom, a fellow Democrat, and a day after the Manhattan District Attorney's office said it was investigating a claim that Swalwell sexually assaulted one of his accusers in New York City in April of 2024. In a statement on Sunday, more than 50 former Swalwell staff members urged him to resign from Congress and quit the gubernatorial contest. He had been a leading contender in the governor's race until the San Francisco Chronicle reported Friday a week woman who had worked on his staff for nearly two years alleged they had sexual encounters while he was her boss and that he sexually assaulted her on two occasions when she was too intoxicated to give her consent.
Joe Soucheray
Undefeated
John Height
Russia and Ukraine accusing each other of violating a Kremlin declared Easter ceasefire yesterday as Orthodox Christians gathered to celebrate the holiday. Despite Moscow's four year long war against its neighbor, Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday had declared a 32 hour cease fire over the Easter weekend, ordering Russian forces to halt hostilities from 4pm on Saturday until the end of Sunday. That apparently did not work. The General Staff of Ukraine's armed forces said in a statement it had recorded over 2200 ceasefire violations by 7am and Russia's defense ministry said it had recorded reported 1900 ceasefire violations by Ukrainian forces.
Chris Reavers
That last story, John.
John Height
Yes.
Chris Reavers
Swallow.
Joe Soucheray
Well, yeah, it's hard name to say.
Chris Reavers
Unbelievable lack of integrity. That didn't slow him down at all until it was found out. And now he's embarrassed and sorry and asking for forgiveness and everything and else. Unbelievable.
Joe Soucheray
That's called. That's called. It worked until it didn't.
Chris Reavers
God, it's just unbelievable what we put up with with our, the politicians, both sides of the aisle.
Joe Soucheray
It really is.
Chris Reavers
What an embarrassment to the United States.
Joe Soucheray
These people sometimes. Do you. Do you get saddened that the people on the third rail enjoy their power so much? They really. We don't care about the country in general.
Chris Reavers
Yes, the extreme Narcissism where. Just leave a path of human wreckage in your wake until the general public finds out, and then, oh, I'm sorry. And I'm sorry for my family and, you know, all of that bull.
Kenny Olson
So he's a Democrat? Since 2003. He's the oldest of four kids. His parents were both Republicans. He was born in Iowa.
Chris Reavers
For me, Matthew, it's not even which side he. Which side of the aisle. He's on it. Like Joe said, it's. It's this third rail mentality where you just destroy lives.
Joe Soucheray
How can you work for this president and not wish to get rid of them? Oh, my God.
Chris Reavers
Well, that's not where I was going, but, yeah, it's this. This narcissism that's on the third rail and.
John Hite
You mean removing him from office?
Joe Soucheray
Yeah.
John Hite
Okay.
Chris Reavers
Thank you.
Kenny Olson
Thank you.
Joe Soucheray
I didn't mean anything. Nefarious.
Kenny Olson
Going for nefarious.
Joe Soucheray
We got the 25th amendment. If you're not fit, get the hell out of here.
Chris Reavers
That didn't work for the last guy either, though.
Joe Soucheray
Well, they had a stand in double for him.
John Hite
You know, speaking of the double standard, I don't know if you guys saw this. Speaking of social media, over the weekend, your guy, Joe, Justin Trudeau, he was
Joe Soucheray
at Coachella with Katie and sipping out
John Hite
of a red solo cup, Dixie cup. And everyone's pointing out, weren't these banned in Canada by Justin Trudeau? They did ban plastic, which I thought was hilarious.
Chris Reavers
What was in the cup? A little ecstasy?
John Hite
Yeah, I'm sure a little something something, but it was pretty funny that he banned. He made that his mission.
Kenny Olson
And yet that's a whoopsie.
John Hite
He and Katie are partying, by the way. Well, I'm not here to judge. I'd be doing the same thing.
Chris Reavers
No, I'm here to judge the double standards. It really became obvious during COVID when all of these politicians were living it up.
Kenny Olson
Yeah.
Joe Soucheray
What does Trudeau do for a living? Is he independently wealthy? Because of his dad, I think he
Chris Reavers
slays it, so to speak.
Kenny Olson
He went to Greece.
John Height
He went to Greece.
Joe Soucheray
I can't believe you told that dirty old grandpa. Yeah, yeah.
John Height
Oh, goodness.
Joe Soucheray
And that woman, what's the gal, Katie. What's her name?
John Hite
Katy Perry.
Joe Soucheray
She's. She's interesting. You know, she's done some strange.
Kenny Olson
She's done hanging out with Snoop.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah.
Chris Reavers
Wasn't she with Russell Brand?
Joe Soucheray
They were married.
John Hite
Yeah, they were married.
Kenny Olson
She can shake her booty. This tall, skinny guy who's Arthur? The guy that played Arthur in the remake.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah.
John Height
That was Russell Brand.
Joe Soucheray
Okay. Yes.
Chris Reavers
They did a remake of Arthur.
Joe Soucheray
I joined Kenny. They did a remake of Arthur.
Kenny Olson
Didn't need to be done.
Joe Soucheray
It couldn't have been done any better than it was the first.
Chris Reavers
Has Hollywood ever read a book? I mean, my goodness, there's so many good stories out there.
John Height
Yeah, it didn't get very good reviews, as I recall.
John Hite
I'm stunned.
Kenny Olson
Yeah.
John Height
Russell also, I think he. Isn't he right now charged with.
John Hite
Yeah, he's got a.
John Height
Two or three different sexual abuses himself.
Joe Soucheray
I think she's. She is too, isn't she, in some way?
John Hite
I don't.
Joe Soucheray
Maybe not. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. They're all run together in my mind. Thanks, John. Wow.
Kenny Olson
Sure.
Joe Soucheray
Did you wait?
Chris Reavers
I'm sorry, John. I really derailed you there.
John Height
Oh, that's fine.
Joe Soucheray
Were you done anyway, John?
John Height
Yeah, I was fine.
Joe Soucheray
Nobody cares on this show about. Except golf. About me. No, wait, that was a bad. That was a bad sentence structure. I tend to pay for more attention to golf than other members of the staff. Yes, the Masters is a big deal. Did you know that Hurricane Helene, which was as recently as last summer, the one that wreaked havoc in North Carolina and the little mountain towns were cut off, and we learned that our emergency systems were not really coming through. That completely destroyed a lot of the Augusta golf course. I mean, wiped it out. And it's all. You can't tell, except for thin trees. When the camera took a broad shot, you could see the thinned trees. That's the only evidence that Ray's Creek was. Was as wide as the Mississippi. Flowing mud ripped everything out of there, Greens, everything. They fixed it up that quick? Did you notice they got some money to spend on that course?
Kenny Olson
They do, but did you notice some of the patches, spots on some of the grass?
Joe Soucheray
I did not see that.
Kenny Olson
Wasn't pristine. Even my wife pointed that out.
Joe Soucheray
Well, they would have been out there with spray paint if they saw that.
John Hite
So, rookie, you're saying if you were on the 10th hole, you'd have went, I'm leaving.
Kenny Olson
What's going on here? 325 for an egg salad sandwich.
Joe Soucheray
Well, I'm just telling you, it's interesting that you look up the videos of the destruction of the course. I'm sure the Masters tried to keep those videos from ever getting out. That's all I have.
Kenny Olson
They're like the Lorax and they have fake trees now what?
John Height
John, Helene was October 2024.
Joe Soucheray
Oh, 24. That makes more sense.
John Height
Yeah.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah, that makes more sense. Than last year. Yeah, October 24th. You're right.
Julianne Garon
Thank you.
John Hite
So they would have had another masters by before yesterday.
Joe Soucheray
Well, then the Masters in 2025 was repaired.
John Height
You're right.
Kenny Olson
I don't pay that close attention to it in golf.
Joe Soucheray
Never mind. Thank you. Goodbye.
John Hite
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Minnesota House Republicans are unveiling a budget that would deliver the largest tax cut in state history. It's called the North Star comeback, 3.8 billion in tax reductions and is built around three priorities. Protecting family budgets, making government work and creating a working class economy. I haven't seen this in anything except the Alpha News site. House Speaker Lisa DeMuth said the proposal responds to rising costs facing Minnesotans. Well, of course it does. She said. Right now, Minnesotans are feeling squeezed from every direction. Groceries, childcare, housing, insurance, energy. When you think about it, it's the basics and they're just getting more expensive. Families are actually working harder, but they're falling further behind. Well, this state is. Government's too big. It's wasted too much money. It's too redundant. The proposal includes a billion in one time property tax relief, eliminating taxes on tips and overtime, and repealing car tab fees. Excuse me. It also calls for lowering child care costs and directing hundreds of millions of dollars into education through scholarship granting organizations. It goes on and on and on. I hope they can be successful. I don't think I'm going to place a great deal of stock in this. They're dealing with Marxists and socialists who don't really care about the survival of the Minnesota sort of family.
Chris Reavers
I wonder about their motivation. Lisa seems very optimistic about it. When you read her comments, I'm wondering, are they just catering to those of us that have been making a lot of noise in the last two years?
Kenny Olson
No.
Chris Reavers
Knowing that this won't pass?
Joe Soucheray
No.
Chris Reavers
They have some colleagues in the Democratic side that are going to go with them.
Joe Soucheray
I believe she's sincere. I can't imagine she would have a lot of colleagues on the Democratic side. Those are not the Democrats of yesteryear. They're a completely different animal.
Chris Reavers
I mean, when you hear some of these Democratic ideas that have come down the pike in the last month about the new taxes that they're searching for, it doesn't seem like this has a chance.
Joe Soucheray
There was a great piece in yesterday's Star Tribune editorial page written by Jim Nobles, who was a previous Minnesota audit. And it was a wonderful piece. The headline is do we really need a new state agency to fight fraud? And his whole point was here the state goes again, broadening its scope and creating a new bureaucracy. And they don't need to. We have the means in place to stop fraud. And he goes on to point that out. And I couldn't have agreed with him more. But getting back to Lisa Daymuth. Am I saying that right or is it DeMuth?
John Hite
Right.
Joe Soucheray
I really like my idea. I'm sure it has no chance of ever going anywhere. But I wouldn't give any more money to nonprofits, non governmental organizations. Nonprofits. The state has proven that it can't. It's being stolen as rapidly as they can dish it out. I would not allow that anymore. And they could come up with some new ways to help people who need the help. There's another piece in Alpha where you have Democrats advancing a greenhouse gas pollution super fund. Well, they're just dreaming up another tax they would tax. Let me get to it here. Oil and gas producers would be required to pay the lump sum within six months of getting a demand notice from the state. And they would have nine annual installments to pay off their bill. It doesn't if she's. Who did this? Some Ann Johnson Stewart. Look her up. Rook. Ann Johnson Stewart. DFLer@senate file 4126. And she wants to spend the funds on climate change adaption projects. Well, lady go away. Really. This is just a tax that will then be passed to the consumer. It won't do anything to the earth. This is just. We just keep electing these BSers who just.
Chris Reavers
I can tell you about Ann Johnson Stewart. I clicked on her name in the. In the Alpha store story.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah.
Chris Reavers
And this headline popped up from 2024. DFL candidate Ann Johnson Stewart supported bail reform, Mary Moriarty and Bill to study reparations.
Joe Soucheray
That's all you need to know right there.
Kenny Olson
Originally from Wisconsin, she received her go back to Wisconsin Bachelor of civil engineering from UW Platteville Masters.
Joe Soucheray
That's almost the Ivy League.
Kenny Olson
Yeah. U of civil engineer with a small business that works with local governments. She's also taught at the U of M and local technical colleges for over 20 years.
Joe Soucheray
Well, it sounds like she. She pursues genuine.
Chris Reavers
Yeah. Civil engineering. That's a real.
Joe Soucheray
That's real work.
Kenny Olson
Yeah.
Chris Reavers
Yeah.
Joe Soucheray
Where did she come up with this bs?
Kenny Olson
I don't know.
Joe Soucheray
Is she married?
Kenny Olson
It's kids Party spouse J. Jeff. Four kids.
Joe Soucheray
Four kids. You sound like a normal woman. What the hell happened to you? What happened to your brain? How long has she been in office?
Kenny Olson
Assumed office in 2024. Let's see.
Joe Soucheray
What area does she represent? I'm unaware of her.
Kenny Olson
It is from 2021-23. She represented District 44, which then was Plymouth Minnetonka Woodland in Hennepin County. And she's a member of the Minnesota Senate now representing District 45, which I would need to look up.
Joe Soucheray
I don't know if this can be right, but listen to this. Her bill, if in fact it's hers, I believe it is, requires that the funds be spent on climate change adaption, which are designed to respond to avoid moderate repair or adapt to impacts caused by climate change. At minimum, minimum, 40% of the funds must go to projects that benefit disadvantaged communities. Well, that's just fraud. Waiting.
Kenny Olson
What does that mean?
Joe Soucheray
Seriously, that just disadvantaged community? It doesn't. She doesn't know what it means. Now, the U.S. chamber of Commerce is warning how this super fund would impact both companies and consumers. Can these figures be correct? According to the chamber, the super fund could cost 16 and a half half billion dollars in 2026, rising to 17.38 billion by 2030 and roughly 84.84 billion over five years. Are you kidding me?
Kenny Olson
It's basically Lake Minnetonka.
Chris Reavers
We don't have that now and we won't have it then. Why are they looking for these projects to spend money on when we don't have of it? You're already looking for money in every little cubby hole there is. My God.
Joe Soucheray
Well, there is good news. To date, Neither Senate File 4126 nor its counterpart in the House have been heard in a legislative committee. Last month, a key legislative deadline passed, which requires bills to be acted on favorably by a committee in order to be considered later. As such, the climate superfund bill appears dead this session. I'm sure it could rise again. But, lady, you're not doing anything to help the people of Minnesota. You're full of B as in B, S as in S. But you have
Chris Reavers
to admit, some of these bills they trot out, it's akin to trying every piece of tackle in the tackle box.
Joe Soucheray
Yep.
Chris Reavers
I mean, just throw everything out there, see what they hit on.
Joe Soucheray
We the people? Whatever happened to we the people? And we keep electing people that really don't give a bleep about we the people.
Chris Reavers
We the people are getting screwed.
Joe Soucheray
Come on, lady, rethink your priorities. You really. What's your husband's name? Fred? Jeff, Maybe they're wealthy enough to pretend they're liberal, bro.
Kenny Olson
Yeah, a whole minute.
Chris Reavers
You know, they say they know what's going on in our lives.
Joe Soucheray
If they don't.
Chris Reavers
If they did, they wouldn't propose this nonsense.
Joe Soucheray
And my friends at the post office, well, they still haven't hit my Number yet, but they're. They're seeking a 4 cent stamp increase. What would that make it? I don't even. What's 88? What's the current state stamp? 84, I think.
Kenny Olson
84. I'll double check.
Joe Soucheray
Well, I'm still buying them at 88. They haven't hit my number yet. It's like gas. At what number you gonna stop buying gas? Well, I'm not gonna. I'm not done buying stamps yet. In fact, I'm gonna hurry up and buy some stamps before they get the increase.
Chris Reavers
I think we're at seven. Yeah, 78.
Joe Soucheray
78.
Chris Reavers
They. They want to bounce it up to 82.
Joe Soucheray
They want to go to 82 cents. I got a bleed block.
Kenny Olson
What services will be increased when we get up to 88 cents?
Joe Soucheray
Oh, I'm afraid the old post office is kind of running out of time.
Chris Reavers
With every rise in prices, the service gets worse. I've never seen a business so intent on putting themselves out of business.
Kenny Olson
They've stopped pensions.
John Height
Yeah, I was just gonna say.
Kenny Olson
Oh, sorry, John.
John Height
That's all right.
Joe Soucheray
My mail was here when I left this morning.
John Hite
Worry.
Kenny Olson
They keep bringing me bills.
Joe Soucheray
I keep getting my bills.
Kenny Olson
Still waiting for my Edmond.
Joe Soucheray
I'm gonna buy another bleep load of 78 centers.
Kenny Olson
You might as well, it's gonna be a buck 20.
John Height
Got a whole drawer full right here, man.
Joe Soucheray
Look at this. That's about what I have, Jen. I gotta handle a big hand.
Kenny Olson
It's like currency.
Joe Soucheray
You got Muhammad Ali. Jen, I don't.
John Height
Those are new ones. I haven't bought any in a while, so.
Joe Soucheray
You got Jimmy Car Carter.
Chris Reavers
Would you actually use this?
Joe Soucheray
You got William F. Buckley.
John Height
I do not have William Buckley.
Joe Soucheray
I got some Hanks left. They're prized possessions, John. Do you use them? Of course he does.
John Height
Scooby Doo.
Joe Soucheray
I don't do Scooby Doo. Sorry. I'm not buying Scooby Doo's.
John Height
You got spongebob?
Chris Reavers
No.
Joe Soucheray
Hell no, I'm not buying spongebob.
John Height
You don't have these?
Joe Soucheray
No, I don't, Chris. I'll go with nature over spongebob Reavers. Are you even listening, Pete Seeger?
Chris Reavers
I'm wondering. Thank you.
John Height
How about Buzz Lightyear?
Joe Soucheray
No, John, I'm not going with any TV cartoon crap.
John Height
Okay?
Joe Soucheray
Only because, I mean, what's your hurry?
Chris Reavers
Thanks, Gio.
Joe Soucheray
Yes, we got nothing but. Oh, that's right, we gotta do Monday night's worst.
Josh Arnold
Dad, are you here?
Kenny Olson
All right. Yes, sir.
Joe Soucheray
He's here, baby. He's here.
Kenny Olson
You ready, motorman? Man,
Joe Soucheray
hit it. Grease.
John Hite
Ski cat.
Joe Soucheray
Ski cat. Only because now listen to this. This is what the Lymans have done over the. Over the weekend.
Kenny Olson
Yeah.
Joe Soucheray
They have left Penguin. They drove to Hobart, Tasmania. They stayed one night in a hotel near the Hobart airport. Monday, they. Monday night, which would have been last night, their time. Yeah. They flew from Hobart to Brisbane. And that's where today's information comes from. Brisbane in Queensland, Australia.
Kenny Olson
Got it.
Joe Soucheray
They're on the move.
Kenny Olson
I know where that is.
Joe Soucheray
And it's only because they're in Brisbane. The traveling lyman's@worldwide waftage.com it was on this day, April 13, in 1849, the U.S. army officially occupied Fort Gaines, later renamed Fort Ripley. The post had been built to monitor the Ho Chunk people, the Winnebago at Long Prairie, and to negotiate with nearby Ojibwe and Dakota bands.
Kenny Olson
I'm sure they screwed him over somehow.
Joe Soucheray
I don't know. On this day, April 13, 1907, Harold E. Stassen was born in West St. Paul. Elected a governor at age 32, he became the youngest person to hold that office. From 1939 to 1943, he resigned as governor to serve as lieutenant Commander in the Navy. During World War II, his long and distinguished career in public service was overshadowed by a string of defeats as he sought the Republican nomination for president. I think about 100 times he sought that. And he died in 2001. In 1967, on this date, April 13th. On this day in 1967, April 13th, Rod Carew played his first major league game. And that, of course, was with the Twins. And he hit a single. On this day, April 19th. Sad day, 13th. On this day in 1993, the Minnesota North Stars played their final game in the Mets center against the Blackhawks, losing three to two. The team moved to Dallas later that year. On this day in Minnesota, sports disappointment, historical.
John Hite
Well, that wasn't it.
Joe Soucheray
That's probably coming up here. April 13th. On this day in 1949. Yep, the Lakers won the NBA BBA Finals. Minnesota's first ever major sports championship. What was the B. What was the BAA, Pat? What was the BAA? Basketball association of America,
John Hite
forerunner of the NBA.
Joe Soucheray
Well, anyway, the Lakers won that on this day, April 13th in 1968, the Muskies played their last game in Minnesota.
Kenny Olson
That was it.
Joe Soucheray
And on this day, 1993, that final North Stars game at home at the Mets center, losing to the hawk, 3 to 2.
Kenny Olson
C card still sucks.
John Hite
Now we'll play the Star in the playoffs.
Joe Soucheray
It looks like a Saturday night at Dallas. That would be my guess.
John Hite
Yes, sir.
Joe Soucheray
It's not, it's not listed yet.
Kenny Olson
You know, you mentioned stamps and you mentioned Muhammad Ali and then I did. Reminds me of the great Vogel quote when he was doing Coast Cell. Yeah, I knew him better than any white man alive. Yeah, I thought that was clever.
Joe Soucheray
Yeah, he was from Louisville, Kentucky, Howard
Julianne Garon
Bogle,
Joe Soucheray
Muhammad Ali, who was born Cassius Clay. Ah, yeah, I knew him. I knew him better than the. Than the second best white man. Better than anyone. Thank you.
John Hite
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Josh Arnold
Well, that is, that is my estimation, Chris. Things are not as bad as they could be. Or we'll say things are definitely not as bad bad as the New York Times says they are, particularly given, say, the conflict in the Middle east and particularly given, we'll say, a slight change in strategy over the Strait of War or Move Hawk did not talks materialized, but did not accomplish Much the Iranians continue to insist on the ability or their ability enrich uranium. Gas prices at pump continue to move up and there are many strategies who are seeing 150 to $170 a barrel oil if there is no resolution in the Middle east and or the opening of the Straits of Cormu. Now I might be Pollyannish about that but I am of the opinion oil has just as much likelihood of going down as going up. A few, a few reasons. The US bill has plenty of oil even though the price of oil here saved this world market. Second, they have more oil availability of Venezuela. Third, China which is a big consumer of oil and had been getting very cheap oil we'll say from Russia as well as Iran, pretty close to being awash in oil. And they've had plenty of stored up issues. You know for we'll say imported oil is going to be in Europe and in California. Well this California part of the United States. Oh yeah. But California imports a tremendous amount of foreign oil even though they have plenty of oil availability both onshore and off. But they're legislator and governor over the past several decades have moved and said no, we don't want inexpensive intercourses, we want expensive intercourses. So we'll say affordability issues are of California's own making, not you know, it's not anybody else's. And there's not false that there is conflict in the Middle east affecting California's energy prices. But I'm of the belief there's still a strong likelihood that the price of oil goes down over the next several months more so than price goes up. Now that does mean that the price of oil could go up short term but I see it moving on the down moving more down than up on a longer term basis. Meantime, corporate earnings are starting to come out with bank this week as well as Netflix next week we'll start the parade of technology companies which will follow in towards the end of the month and then into May start getting retailers also reporting and speaking of retailers, local Best Buy which had been we'll say promoted on CNBC last week as a way to invest the AI bills out got a double downgrade today from gold sack on memory prices increasing and that would increase the cost of their goods. That's why does have a significant dividend Yield currently at 6.5% based its current price. But one issue can be the higher the dividend payout, not only the lower chance for appreciation but also the chance for a dividend cut if business slows down. So, so going to be a very interesting week with focus on both earnings earnings coming which will bring up some of the credit, private credit issues which have been a problem overall for the market and concerns about the price of oil. On a positive note, favorite Amazon continues its move upward and a lot of that could be based on their sales of their chip to Anthropic as well as their deal with OpenAI and the ability of AWS to make available to enterprise customers all manner of AI platform. We'll hear more about that as time goes on, but Amazon has got a lot of things going for it and of course when you have a lot of catalyst, let's say a slow slowing in one cattle or one segment of the market could temporarily hurt the hurt the stock. Meantime, I do have a price target of Amazon at $285 a share, stock currently at 238 and change.
John Hite
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Josh Arnold
Chris, we'll look forward to it. Thanks.
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Garage Logic — April 13, 2026
Episode Title: More About Myrrh Than You Ever Intended to Know
This episode of Garage Logic, hosted by “The Mayor” Joe Soucheray with Chris Reavers, Kenny Olson, John Hite, and occasional appearances by the “Rookie,” delivers the show’s signature blend of local Minnesota news, historical trivia, current events, and satirical commentary. The central theme revolves around a recent Associated Press article about myrrh, sparking an extended, sometimes comical, but genuinely inquisitive debate about cultural knowledge, journalism, and how Christian references are handled in the media.
The crew dives into topics as diverse as missing scientists connected to U.S. secrets, Minnesota’s political scandals, property tax errors, HOA reform, and even the rising price of postage stamps. Notably, the hosts call and interview Julianne Garon, the AP writer whose article triggered their discussion, leading to a satisfying and clarifying moment on both journalism and cultural memory.
Garage Logic stays true to its formula: old-school, common-sense commentary delivered with dry wit, quick banter, and the easy rapport of longtime friends. Soucheray’s cranky-but-fair questioning, the crew’s irreverence, and their blend of skepticism with genuine curiosity make the episode both informative and entertaining. The tone is informal, off-the-cuff, and deeply rooted in local (Minnesota) culture.
The April 13th, 2026 episode of Garage Logic is a quintessential sampling of the show’s mix of curmudgeonly humor, genuine journalism commentary, and wide-ranging news discussion—from the local (ice-out dates, property taxes) to global affairs and cultural touchstones (myrrh, religious references, and government scandals). The highlight is the humble, good-natured resolution of the “myrrh controversy,” showing both the value of fact-checking and the show’s willingness to admit when they’re wrong—something the hosts wish politicians would do more often.
[For a deeper dive into discussions, listen beginning at [01:21] for the myrrh journalism debate and around [40:43] for the real-time interview with Julianne Garon.]