6/10 Star Tribune's newest columnist Pat Garofalo in studio

Summary

Garage Logic Podcast Summary – June 10, 2026 Episode: “Star Tribune’s newest columnist Pat Garofalo in studio”

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Episode Overview

In this episode, host Joe Soucheray and the Garage Logic crew welcome Pat Garofalo, newly appointed guest columnist at the Star Tribune and president of the Minnesota Grocers Association. The discussion delves into Minnesota’s chronic public fraud issues, political polarization, the mechanics and pitfalls of state programs, and the importance of divided government in maintaining balance and pragmatism. The episode also touches on upcoming elections, the evolving state of journalism, and Garofalo’s personal experiences transitioning from legislator to columnist and trade association head.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Minnesota's Political & Cultural Landscape

• Historic Weather Coverage as an Analogy:

  • Joe marvels at how casual 1950s newspapers were about record heat (99 degrees on June 10, 1956) as a sign of past cultural differences in handling crises. (03:05)
  • Quote (Joe Soucheray, 03:05):
    “Page 30? ... We don't get 30 pages combined for a week's worth of papers anymore.”

• Changing Tone & Style in Journalism:

  • John Haidt notes older reporters' “fanciful” prose compared to today’s news writing.
  • Pat Garofalo reflects on being the Star Tribune’s newest guest columnist, clarifying the arrangement is flexible, likely two columns a month. (04:16)
  • Quote (Pat Garofalo, 04:36):
    “Millions, I’m sure.” (re: columnist salary)

2. Political Tribalism and Comment Section Realities

• Garofalo recounts his experience reading reader comments on his first Star Tribune column:
  • His intent was a “satirical but serious love letter to my partner and lover, the state of Minnesota.”
  • Comments quickly devolved into tribal attacks, equating him with political extremes, especially on Trump.
  • Quote (Pat Garofalo, 06:00):
    “...these commenters are so foolish. They do not realize that I've never voted for Trump.”

3. Minnesota Fraud Scandals: Timeline and Accountability

• Extensive discussion of the Feeding Our Future and Child Care Assistance (CCAP) frauds:
  • Host Joe Soucheray presses Pat: “We think Walz should be in jail.” (06:36)
  • Pat: “Was it willful incompetence or willful just criminality?”
  • Garofalo asserts the DFL knowingly tolerated fraud to avoid alienating their base. (07:20)
  • Joe: “Well, that’s criminal. They allowed the theft.” (07:50)
  • Pat suggests both error and calculation played a role; whistleblowers were actively silenced. (08:28)

Retrospective on Legislative Response

• Garofalo admits Republicans considered leveraging funding to force a fix, particularly for CCAP, but decided too many benefited to yank all funding. (10:41)
• Dialogue explores the lack of indictments and how fraud became more overt in 2020.

4. Divided Government as a Bulwark Against Extremism

• Garofalo pushes for divided government, criticizing both parties’ extremes:
  • “Both parties have record numbers of crazy people right now. ... Every one of us wants divided government. Because you have two choices. You can have divided government, or if you give one party total control, the fringe takes over.” (12:47)
  • “This November, it’s literally the last chance to save Minnesota, in my opinion.” (14:10)

5. Upcoming Elections and Candidate Prospects

• Multiple candidate races discussed:
  • Garofalo prefers Lisa Demuth for governor but says Klobuchar would be a more competent manager than Walz if elected, though still hampered if stuck with a DFL legislature. (15:00)
  • The importance of executive management and accountability is highlighted, regardless of party.

6. Government Waste & Program Redundancy

• The hosts and Garofalo discuss the state’s bloated bureaucracy and repeated program redundancy.
  • Example: Housing stabilization programs—eliminated with little notice or effect. (17:49)
• The Promise Act: Discussed as a prime example of questionable grants and lack of oversight.
  • Pat: “You can search ... you’ll see the number of sole proprietorships is overwhelmingly in Hennepin county.” (20:09)
  • Kenny and Pat point to demographic trends in grant distribution, referencing easily accessible public lists. (20:59)
  • Pat calls for simple cross-reference audits to prevent fraud.

7. Political Factions Beyond "Two Parties”

• Pat Garofalo argues both major parties are now effectively four factions:
  • “In reality, there’s four. On the Democrat side ... then you also have the DSA ... On the Republican side ... traditional conservatives ... and then you’ve got MAGA.” (29:22)
  • Republicans are running contentious primaries with candidates from all wings; Democrats are seeing insurgent progressive activism at conventions. (32:50)

8. Why Minnesota Once Worked — and How It Can Again

• Garofalo attributes Minnesota’s prior “awesomeness” to bipartisan cooperation and effective divided government. (35:30)
  • Advocates for a return to enforced pragmatism and accountability, not one-party rule.

9. Personal Reflections and Future Prospects

• Pat Garofalo expresses his continuing passion for public service and reform, leaving the door open to a future run for office if centrist, pragmatic politics see a resurgence. (37:32)

  • Quote (Pat Garofalo, 38:03):
    “There was a time where I tried telling myself, I'll never run for elected office ever again. It's just clear that I care about this.”

• He laments that “guys like me are not successful in a political environment making the case for pragmatism, centrism, and reasonableness.” (39:32)

10. Column Topic Teasers & Critique of "Dumb Government"

• Next possible column: Slow pipeline permitting and review in rural Minnesota as an example of government inefficiency. (41:40)
• Additional topics could include paid family leave reforms and the Tamarack nickel mine permitting morass. (44:05)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On political tribalism:

  • Pat: “You’ve got minorities of the two political parties that have a lot of free time and scream really loud.” (29:22)

• On administrative neglect:

  • Joe: “It’s all been BS. No one’s getting helped.” (18:00)

• On program audits:

  • Pat: “Heck, maybe we could even get a volunteer to go in and just cross reference the filings ... not very labor intensive.” (22:35)

• On the effect of permitting delays:

  • Pat: “It’s been closed. Now it’s coming up on four years, and they can't get this thing permitted … That’s the sort of, like, dumb government I think I want to highlight.” (41:40)

• On potential future political involvement:

  • Pat: “It’s hard … I haven’t been able to turn that [public service motivation] off. I still care.” (38:03)

• On Minnesota’s past:

  • Pat: “Minnesota used to be a pretty awesome place. ... One of the reasons why is we just did a better job in our state of working together than other places.” (35:30)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Minnesota historic weather & old newspapers: 02:08–03:35
• Star Tribune columnist arrangement & first column reaction: 04:11–06:25
• Fraud scandal & political accountability debate: 06:36–12:33
• The case for divided government: 12:33–14:35
• Election candidates & administrative capacity: 14:35–17:21
• Program waste & Promise Act discussion: 17:32–24:05
• Political polarization & party factions: 29:22–34:57
• Divided government, history & solutions: 35:16–36:56
• Personal motivations & possible return to politics: 37:04–39:47
• Next column topic & ‘dumb government’ preview: 41:33–44:05

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

• True to Garage Logic form, the tone is a mix of wry, frustrated, common-sense skepticism, with Garofalo fitting in as an affable, blunt, and policy-wonkish voice.
• The show bemoans the siege of extremism in both parties, the erosion of pragmatic government, and the consequences of unchecked program growth and lax oversight.
• Hope is expressed for a resurgence of civic adulthood and divided governance to moderate both policy and rhetoric in Minnesota.

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For listeners and non-listeners alike:
This episode is a deep dive into how political tribalism, program fraud, and party infighting undermine Minnesota governance—and why both honest critique and credible hope must lie with a stronger, moderate, divided state government.

Transcript

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[Kenny]

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[Chris Reavers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[Chris Reavers]

Are you freaking kidding me?

[Kenny]

Not today. I just checked all of this crap.

[Pat Garofalo]

Hey, how are you?

[Chris Reavers]

We're gonna do this right now. Here we go.

[Joe Soucheray]

Today is the first of four days in a row. Mr. Garofalo, I'll get to you in a moment. The first of four days in a row, all in 1956, that continue to hold the high temperature record. And things like that amused me. That was 70 years ago. And John Haidt behind you, he's our newsman. As you know, Pat and John has access to a wealth of historical newspapers. And John has been looking to see if, you know, the kids were told to stay inside in 1956 or there was a very urgent ozone warning level or how we were going to handle it. And John, Today it was 99 degrees in 1956. It was the first of four days in a row. Any news bulletins regarding the heat?

[John Haidt]

On page 30 of the paper there was a small column that said water lovers Will love the weather today.

[Joe Soucheray]

Really? Page 30?

[John Haidt]

Yep. And then in the local section, second page of the local section, there was a headline basically that said, the crop report says our warm weather will help. And that. That was about it for the weather coverage.

[Joe Soucheray]

Isn't that amazing? The most amaz thing is page 30.

[Kenny]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Of the front section of the whole.

[John Haidt]

Yes, the whole. I mean, it was a Sunday paper, so it was a large paper.

[Joe Soucheray]

We don't get 30 pages combined for a week's worth of papers anymore.

[John Haidt]

Oh, I was. I was. When I could stop looking, I was up to page 48 and had just hit the sports pages.

[Joe Soucheray]

Holy cow.

[Pat Garofalo]

So, John, when you read that, do you, like, is the reading comprehension different? Like, did they use bigger words than verbs and everything?

[Joe Soucheray]

No, no.

[Pat Garofalo]

I mean, like, really, do they. Does it read differently or is it the same?

[John Haidt]

It reads differently in that a lot of the local reporters are descriptive in a much more fanciful way. Trying to sound like perhaps they're writing literature instead of news. That's the only difference that I notice.

[Chris Reavers]

You mean unlike these modern day Star Tribune writers that they're hiring off the street?

[Joe Soucheray]

Mr. Pat Garofalo, you are the Star Tribune's newest guest columnist?

[Pat Garofalo]

Yes, I am.

[Joe Soucheray]

How many times a year will you be doing a column? How does that work? I don't even know how that works over there.

[Pat Garofalo]

So I think right now there's an agreement that I'll just kind of send them stuff when I want to and I would guess probably twice a month or so.

[Joe Soucheray]

You get paid?

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

They do pay you for that? Your first one?

[Pat Garofalo]

Millions, I'm sure.

[Joe Soucheray]

Your first one.

[Pat Garofalo]

He seemed genuinely shocked. Like someone would pay you for your labor. Why on earth do I.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, I thought they.

[Ken]

They don't have any money. They're begging for donations.

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, I mean, they don't. They don't pay me as much as you pay me for appearing on the show. But that's still.

[Joe Soucheray]

You're. You're. I stated my point incorrectly. I thought they cast this net out for celebrities like yourself and that it would have been an honor just to appear on the. In the paper. I'm serious. I didn't know they were paying people.

[Pat Garofalo]

No, I mean, hopefully I'm not causing any controversy by saying, well, you caused some with me.

[Joe Soucheray]

That. That first column was. You were just. Again, it's.

[John Haidt]

You.

[Joe Soucheray]

You were just way too nice.

[Pat Garofalo]

You think so?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, absolutely. No, seriously, you were just way too nice. You were on the right track. You were talking about. The state feels a bit broken, but you Couldn't bring yourself to really hammer home any meaningful points?

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, no. I mean, I wrote what I thought would be a satirical but serious love letter to my partner and lover. The state of Minnesota.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's what your lover's living in New Guinea. I mean, it's gone. There's nothing.

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, I will say this, that I broke one of the cardinal rules of whenever you have anything in the Star Tribune, and that is that I read the comments section.

[Joe Soucheray]

I don't do that. Yeah.

[Pat Garofalo]

Do not read the. I will just tell you that the readers of the Minnesota Star Tribune, when they read my. What I thought was a fair critique of how we need to do things better in Minnesota, that is not how they perceived that letter. And of course, everything is like, trump's a bad fascist blood. Of course, these commenters are so foolish. They do not realize that I've never voted for Trump.

[Joe Soucheray]

Right.

[Pat Garofalo]

Whether it was the caucuses in 2016 or the three general elections, I've never. It doesn't matter.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's like, well, we live in a tribal society. Yeah.

[Pat Garofalo]

Political tribalism.

[Joe Soucheray]

There's only one or the other. And see, on this show, we're at the other end of your spectrum. We think Wall should be in jail. And I'm very serious. Do you have any idea why he shouldn't be in jail?

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, first of all, good morning. Good to see you, Joe. Here's what I would say, is that you can go back to the state legislature and you can look at the committee hearings and the floor sessions from there. People like me were screaming about the fraud issue daily. So it wasn't like the issue. The question of whether you're not answering. No, I am getting to it, though. So whether people knew or not, that is a settled fact.

[Joe Soucheray]

People knew and Walls knew.

[Pat Garofalo]

So the question is, was it willful incompetence or willful just criminality? And that's. Where do you stand on him, on the willful question? I think that the political left in Minnesota was making. They knew about it, and they made a political calculation that shutting this stuff down would cause them more political problems at the ballot box with their base than it would have if they addressed the problem.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, that's criminal. They allowed the theft. That's. To me, that's criminal. I don't know how you can dance around that. That's criminal behavior.

[Pat Garofalo]

I mean, did they. You know, there's different levels of criminality here. Do they write a check? No. Do they like, actually go out and say.

[Josh Arnold]

Right.

[Pat Garofalo]

But I mean, when you get into. You can Make a case that it was just incompetence and error making is what I'm saying.

[Joe Soucheray]

I know I certainly was willing to make that case for a long time. I have. I'm not willing to make that case. It's too obvious what happened. Too many people were told to be quiet about it.

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah. The thing that is really difficult, I think, for defenders of the current administration to argue is that they didn't know about it when in fact they were shutting down the whistleblowers. That's the most. That's one of the toughest arguments to make is these people, these decision makers didn't know about it, but they were telling other people to shut up and stop it.

[Joe Soucheray]

You're resting my case.

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah. So that is. And you know, I think there's this feeling that we. That everything public is everything on the story. I think there's a lot more whistleblowers. I know there are whistleblowers who have not gone public, who have not testified in committee or, you know, this was

[Joe Soucheray]

your first winter in spring, in 20, 18 years when you were not in the legislature. You are now active with the. Well, tell us what you do.

[Pat Garofalo]

I am president of the Minnesota Grocers Association.

[Joe Soucheray]

And you're enjoying that.

[Pat Garofalo]

I love it. It's your independent grocers, not your Walmarts and Costco's. This is your independents that really feed, you know, feed everyone and you want to support and please go to all your stores.

[Kenny]

Do you know who was, who was what?

[Joe Soucheray]

Vogels.

[Kenny]

Bogles was part of the Minnesota Grocers association way back when, way before your time.

[Joe Soucheray]

The reason I ask that is you've had a year, half a year to look back on your career. Now, you say that during commission or during meetings and hearings, you'd raise your voice about fraud. You and I would imagine, others. Isn't there something you could have done? If you look back now, is there something Republicans could have done? Because it was clear the DFL wasn't going to do anything. Did you guys have any means of power? Was there any part of the process that you could have used to intervene?

[Pat Garofalo]

I mean, retrospectively you can say yes. Right. So remember, the real big first signs of problem were the childcare assistance program. Ccap. Right. And so we had discussed the idea of just saying we're not going to fund anything, childcare assistance until they fix this problem.

[Joe Soucheray]

And you discussed that idea.

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah, privately.

[Joe Soucheray]

Why did you not stop funding it?

[Pat Garofalo]

Because ultimately there were more people who were positively benefited by the program than those who were stealing from it.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm not sure that's even true. When you look at the numbers, how many people actually received some help compared to the people who didn't? Part of the people who were part of the scam only.

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, Kim, on the child care assistance side, we have not actually seen that many indictments. Like there's a whole.

[Joe Soucheray]

Are we talking daycare centers?

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

They're terribly fraudulent. They've been terribly fraudulent.

[Pat Garofalo]

Right. And just the way the program is administered, it's easy to engage in fraud. I think something that we've learned since then that we didn't know back then is how extensively parents were involved in it. Like, that's something that is relatively new. It wasn't until the Feeding our Future scandal, when things went berserk in 2020, that I think you really reached this crisis point. But again, at that point, this information became public

[Joe Soucheray]

to no avail.

[Pat Garofalo]

No one cared. I mean, let's keep in mind the 2022 election. We knew about the COVID fraud. We knew they were administered. We knew about the riots in the Twin Cities. We knew about the failed response to it. And the voters of Minnesota's response was to go, nah. I mean, they can make excuses for themselves, but the voters of Minnesota. It wasn't really until the Trump administration and Joe Thompson over at the Department of Justice really started digging into this. The public suddenly started caring. But we've had elections on this.

[John Haidt]

Right.

[Joe Soucheray]

I've said on the show, this is our fault. Sure. And it's gonna continue to be our fault. I don't see any change coming.

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, so this is what I would say is that you've heard me say this before. But if there's one thing anyone takes away from our conversations about politics these days, it's this. Both parties have record numbers of crazy people right now.

[Joe Soucheray]

I don't disagree.

[Pat Garofalo]

And until the parties calm down, every one of us wants divided government. Because you have two choices. You can have divided government, or if you give one party total control, the fringe takes over. And not only do they dictate, they pass the agenda. And so going into this election, thank goodness, the last 18 months, Minnesota has had divided government. The House of Representatives in Minnesota has been tied. The Senate has a one seat majority, the Democrats, and then Walz is governor. But it's super important that we have divided government. Otherwise you are turning the keys over to the crazy people. Whether it's. You can point to either party and say, this is what the crazies are gonna do there. The only form of moderation and forced Pragmatism on the system right now is divided government. And it's pretty interesting when you have people, whether they're politically left or politically right, and you confront them with the facts. There is no defense of what they're doing, whether it's nominating the guy with the Nazi tattoo in Maine, whether it's Republicans nominating Paxson down in Texas, who is a crook. Did you see, by the way, his attorney who got him out of impeachment endorsed the Democrat. So no one defends the candidates. All they do is they just say, well, the other side is worse. And that's just a really bad slope to go down. So hopefully there's enough people who pay attention and read and listen and understand that you need to have divided government in Minnesota. That not an exaggeration, Joe. This November, it's literally the last chance to save Minnesota, in my opinion. You say that it's unsavable. I disagree. I think that there's changes that can be made that we're not necessarily going to slide into an Illinois type cesspool. I think we can stay away from that and turn things around.

[Joe Soucheray]

Do you think that hinges on Kendall Quals or Lisa Daymoth getting elected?

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, if it's my pillow, then it's game over.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, I understand he doesn't have a shot.

[Pat Garofalo]

But Damuth and Qualls, I would say Damas. I think Damas has to be competitive. Right.

[Joe Soucheray]

Do you fear that with Klobuchar it would be business as usual?

[Pat Garofalo]

I think it'll be better.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, a stove put up outside a tree in Mississippi would be better than Walsh.

[Pat Garofalo]

And again, I'm a Republican and I'm going to vote for Lisa Daymoth in the primary and vote for her in the general election. But I do think that that Klobuchar is a more a better manager and a leader. So if she was elected governor, when it comes to the point of like the departments and the administration, she will do a better job of running them and having accountability. But if she is saddled with a total DFL government, she can't put bills on her own desk. She can sign bills and veto them, but she's gonna have just. If the Dems are in total control, she is gonna get just a plate full of garbage again designed by the left fringe. She's gonna. If she doesn't want say it publicly, it's gonna be a good question to ask her. Does she want dividend?

[Joe Soucheray]

We're anticipating that she will join us one day between now and November. Yeah.

[Pat Garofalo]

No I mean, she'll be a better governor and she'll do a better job is what I believe. You know, you don't really. There's a difference between being in Congress and being a US Senator and being a governor. But, you know, she did run the county attorney's office and I think was generally recognized as doing. She had some mistakes, but did a pretty good job there. So I would, I think if you, if you take a look at all the Democrats that have been elected in Minnesota in the last 30 years, I think she's probably the most conservative Democrat to win statewide. So I think there's opportunities there. But, you know, listen, I was a guy who eight years ago when Aaron Murphy was running against Tim Walls, remember, Tim Walls was supposed to be the moderate choice. And I think there were a lot of high expectations for him. Well, we fooled. Oh, boy, oh boy. I mean, if you. I mean, I just, it never dawned on me, especially just given his record in Congress and his background before that. I don't think people really expected especially what happened with the DFL trifecto so back in 23 and 24. But he would. I think that with Klobuchar, she'll be a better governor than Walls if she's elected. I'm voting for Lisa Damith. That's who I want to have win. But if Klobuchar is stuck with an all DFL legislature, you know, she's going to have some problems.

[Joe Soucheray]

But the state will not be saved.

[Pat Garofalo]

No, it won't be. There's so many things that need. And we can debate the level of it, but there's things that need fixing from a cost perspective.

[Joe Soucheray]

Glad you said that. One of the things we've learned with this intense scrutiny of fraud is the terrible. Not only the size of the government, but the number of redundant programs. There are so many ruck. What's the one we went through housing stabilization.

[Kenny]

Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

Which has been cancelled. But there's 20 programs that have titles that repeat each other and they got

[Pat Garofalo]

rid of the program and no one's noticed.

[Chris Reavers]

No, it was.

[Pat Garofalo]

Do you remember when Joe Thompson.

[Joe Soucheray]

Because I keep telling you, no one's been getting helped. It's all been bs.

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, and because of the nature of federal funding. Right. There's just someone else is paying the bill. So it hasn't been just state government. There's been an element of the federal government being asleep at the switch as well.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, federal government's our money too. Yeah, yeah.

[Pat Garofalo]

It is borrowed. It's a Chinese money that we borrow from them. But beside the point. No, but they got rid of an entire program that was, I think over $100 million a year and no one's even noticed.

[Joe Soucheray]

And it had 20 programs under the subheadings and 10 of them were redundant.

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah, and the 14 at risk programs that they highlight in the federal side, that doesn't talk about. I think you've had Jay Coles on talking about the.

[Joe Soucheray]

Kenny. Kenny and Jay do the Krabby Coffee Shop podcast and they've talked about this a number of times.

[Pat Garofalo]

The Promise Act. I think they talked about that.

[Joe Soucheray]

You guys brought up the Promise Act.

[Ken]

Yeah, we've talked about all of this in depth.

[Pat Garofalo]

And you know, John, you know that right now they're going out for a second round of funding on the Promise Act.

[Joe Soucheray]

Kenny, you mean.

[Pat Garofalo]

Kenny.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm sorry, what is the Promise Act?

[Pat Garofalo]

So this was a program that was set up that you're supposed to. They're gonna give money to disadvantaged businesses and select communities. And by the way, I should give you guys the website. So they listed all the grant winners out there. And Channel 5 did a really good story on this. The premise is that like if you're a business owner or you're self employed, if you apply, they'll give you some extra money to help you out. Disadvantaged communities.

[Joe Soucheray]

Because of the ice period.

[Pat Garofalo]

No, no, this is before this. This predates that. This is like Covid. Racial discrimination, disadvantaged communities.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, this has fraud written all over it.

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, so the thing is, the Department of Employment and Economic Development, they've published the list of the winners.

[Ken]

Some of them are outstate pizzerias and hobby farms and the like. It's really a baffling list.

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, what's really interesting and Kenny, you up on this. And again, if listeners are want to, you know, want to get.

[Ken]

It's available to everywhere. It's really easy to find.

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah, you literally, if you just type in Promise act grant winners,

[Joe Soucheray]

find Promise act grant winners.

[Pat Garofalo]

And if you go out there, you can search by geography and what you will find is if you search the entire database for somebody with the first name of John or Jill, I know where you're going. You will not find any. You can file as self employed. There are other names you can enter in there that you will see. Lots of people who are self employed,

[Kenny]

hundreds who ask, like sole proprietorship, like Abdullah Abdi. Abdi. Abdullah Abdi.

[Pat Garofalo]

You're on the right track. And again, all this information is public. And so what I have said, and this is very easy, is that the requirements for this are that you got to show a tax return. Right. Okay, well, just. Can we have these guys sign a waiver so we can examine the tax return and see if it matches the one they filed?

[Joe Soucheray]

Sure.

[Pat Garofalo]

That would be a. It's pretty easy. It's not very labor intensive. And let's see who's willing to sign it. Who knows, they might have even signed a waiver granting that when they applied for the money. But not only. So if you look at that, it's just very. It's very suspicious. The geographic breakdown. You'll see the number of sole proprietorships is overwhelmingly in Hennepin county. It's not. You know, and so. And so not only is this program not going away, they're going out for a second round. And I. You know, again, I.

[Kenny]

Because the state.

[Joe Soucheray]

Just say it. Just say it. Say it.

[Kenny]

I can't.

[Joe Soucheray]

Why can't you?

[Pat Garofalo]

Because I'm not. I have different responsibilities now.

[Ken]

It's all Muslims.

[Pat Garofalo]

No, I'm not.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm not saying that.

[Pat Garofalo]

I'm not saying that.

[Kenny]

For the promise act, because the state relies on community partners to distribute funds, there's no single consolidated public directory of every individual winner, though many have been publicly profiled. I don't know what that means.

[Joe Soucheray]

Who. Who came up with the promise act?

[Pat Garofalo]

That where it originated from? I don't know. I mean, there's.

[Joe Soucheray]

It wasn't a bill you authored?

[John Haidt]

No, I did not.

[Pat Garofalo]

I thought my jokes were bad.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wow.

[Pat Garofalo]

No, that was not. No, it's not me. I did not support. I did not sponsor. No, it's. No, it's. I did not. But again, you can go out and you can see the list of the winners on the website right now.

[Joe Soucheray]

Look, will you print it for me, please? So we have it in our files.

[Pat Garofalo]

And they do let you break it down by geography so you can say, well, okay, the businesses in rural Minnesota. And you will see that there's a ton of sole proprietorships that are just, for some reason happen to be in Hennepin and then a little bit in Ramsey County. And this is just money. And it seems to me like you could have an intern, spend one day. Heck, maybe we could even get a volunteer to go in and just cross reference the. The filings that they gave, what they said their tax information was, and match it up with what the actual returns were. And I don't think any changes were made to that program for the second round of funding. I know people tried to get to at least put a pause on the program. They were unsuccessful in doing that and either they're closed or they're still receiving applications for the second round of funding. And this is not federal funding. This is your state tax dollars. And you know, this is layer. And if people are watching me and they see me smile and they're like, why is he smiling about this bad news? Just realize, okay, I have been screaming about this and bitching about this for 15 years, right? So part of me, when I see people question me and ask me about this, I'm like, did you guys not listen to anything any of us said before this? Like, like, it's not like this just

[Chris Reavers]

fell out of the listen, I told you so.

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, I mean, again, as much as I enjoy saying see, I told you so, I would really rather we just stop giving people money for not working. I would just much rather prefer that.

[Kenny]

Before you jump into that, let me just. I can't print this list off. It is too large. And the, the people that are on the list. Yeah, it's overwhelmingly to one ethnicity. Ethnicity, yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know, you're still this electric car freak. Can I get you interested in an electric scooter? Have you ever thought about that? Or electric bike? Do you ride an electric bike?

[Pat Garofalo]

I don't, but I'm willing to learn more about it.

[Joe Soucheray]

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[Chris Reavers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[John Haidt]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[Pat Garofalo]

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[Joe Soucheray]

Flashlight, check.

[Kenny]

Tool belt, check. Attitude, check.

[Joe Soucheray]

He's going in.

[Pat Garofalo]

Joe Sucere so I have a whole

[Ken]

speech prepared about Seafoam, but before I get to that, I need to tell everybody. Check this out. Great news. There's a Seafoam store on Amazon.

[Joe Soucheray]

Really?

[Ken]

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[Joe Soucheray]

You wrote this love letter to the Star Tribune for the Star Tribune. You're their newest guest columnist and you were telling us off air. You learned the hard way to not read the comments. Yes, because we live in a politically tribal culture right now. And so because you were merely pleasant and reasonably gentle, somehow that people mistook you for a right wing fanatic. And I don't understand. I'm done wrestling with this. I'm two plus two equals five. I don't care anymore. These people, there's no way to deal with it.

[Pat Garofalo]

Well, what happens is you've got minorities of the two political parties that have a lot of free time and scream really loud. And so it appears they over. They over represent their voice over represents their segment of the population. One of the problems you see right now is that. So we have two major political parties. That's what we're told, right. In reality, there's four. On the Democrat side, you've got your traditional Democrats, environmentalists, progressive left. But then you also have the dsa. This is like. And they're growing and they've got the momentum. There's no doubt the Bernie Sanders Peggy Flanagan sees the means of production. That wing of the and like, they are ascendant. They are growing. So on the Democratic side, you've got those two. On the Republican side you have your traditional conservatives. That's where I put myself again. Limited government, free market, individual liberties. And then you've got maga, you know, make America Great again. And the MAGA party or that MAGA wing, they're much more tolerant of government spending money and injecting itself into the economy under the argument of fairness. People will put different labels like populism or whatever on it. But that's what you have going on

[Joe Soucheray]

right now are the two sides, are the two radical ends of both parties so radical that they're gonna meet that they're gonna end up touching each other? As you just mentioned, no one spends money more than Trump. He's a drunken sa. They spend more money than any administration I've ever seen.

[Pat Garofalo]

Oh, yeah. Remember Trump's a guy who when he was out of the presidency said, well, why don't we just default on the debt?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Pat Garofalo]

So no. And some elements they do. On some elements they do touch each other. And that's the scary part is that especially at the federal level, you want one of the two major parties to be suspicious of spending more money. And right now what we've got is you just have competing factions arguing over who should spend more on what. But there's no one really advocating for spending less. And that's because the again we talked about on the Democrat side, the dsa, the leftist wing, is ascendant. But in the Republican Party you're seeing the MAGA wing get more and more power. Now, whether that MAGA side dissipates after Trump's term ends in 2028, I mean, he is going to be done being president in 28, right?

[Joe Soucheray]

We don't know that.

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah, we don't know that. And so hopefully you see a recalibration on that side for more limited government. But outside of that, that's the problem we've got right now is that you've got the four, you have four actual factions that has been masquerading as two parties and then two parties. You're seeing MAGA be more dominated on the Republican side, the DSA more on the Democrat side. But in Minnesota you're going to have this. Usually on the Republican side we have these primaries in August. Right. And we don't have a whoever wins the endorsement, they're the ones that are on the general election ballot. Well, that's not necessarily the case this year. And in Minnesota, on the Republican side, on the Republican you have the U.S. senate and the governor's race, a three way race where you have traditional conservatives, the endorsed candidate and then a MAGA candidate and we'll see which one.

[Joe Soucheray]

A mega candidate being the pillow guy.

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah. So the governor's race, you got my pillow, Mike Lindell. Then you've got the endorsed candidate, Kendall Qualls. And then your traditional conservative Lane is more Lisa Damuth. And then in the Senate race it's the same thing where Michelle Tafoya is your more traditional conservative. I forget the endorsed candidate's name. Adam Schwarzy or whatever. You haven't met him. He's the endorsed candidate. And then you got Royce White, who.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, that's a non factor. He won't get elected.

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah, but I mean, but he could get 20 or 25% of the. Remember he was the endorsed candidate and won the primary last year. This is about determining the Republican that will be on the ballot. And so you got that going on in the Senate race. Then on the Democrat side you got Angie Craig, who's again Traditional progressive running against Peggy Flanagan, who's more DSA and

[Joe Soucheray]

fraud connected as far as I'm concerned,

[Pat Garofalo]

WALLS Flanagan administration and so you're having both parties in Minnesota going into the August primary, they're having these knockdown, drag out fights. And normally in Minnesota, the turnout is very low, but we'll see.

[Joe Soucheray]

For a primary.

[Pat Garofalo]

For a primary, yes, because it's because Minnesotans value their summers and stuff, but we'll see if people show up and vote this August. Is there a higher turnout? Is the turnout just among your crazy elements or is there actually gonna be a rise of the, just for lack of a better word, the adult voter, the person who's like, I'm sick of this, we need adult supervision. We're gonna stand up and get some people on the ballot who are gonna make some changes here and we'll find out what happens in August. But, but the fact that the Democratic Party, I think it was 26% of their delegates voted against Amy Klobuchar for governor. They voted for a name that was submitted from the DSA wing. And then they passed a resolution banning data centers. And then on the Republican side, they had a moment of silence for Derek Chauvin. Not a good side.

[Joe Soucheray]

Terrible optic.

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah. If you're on the side of adulthood and seriousness, it's not, it's not good. But you have two choices. You can quit or you can fight. And I would encourage people to fight and be involved. That's how I choose.

[Joe Soucheray]

The key to saving the state, as you said, has to be divided government.

[Pat Garofalo]

Yes, absolutely. And it's important to remember, if you look at the Minnesota that used to be. Okay. It's a serious question to ask. Minnesota used to be a pretty awesome place. And why is that?

[Joe Soucheray]

Divided government?

[Pat Garofalo]

One of the reasons why is we just did a better job in our state of working together than other places. Yeah, we had differences and we fought, but we, to use a PJ Fleck term, we rode the boat in the direction, in the same direction. Right. And so whether it's a family, whether it's a neighborhood, whether it's a team, whether it's a state, if you're working together better, you're going to get more stuff done and you're going to have better results. So we had, before the rest of the country took off and got involved in foreign trade, we were doing that here. Right. Because we could represent as one state. We worked together better. You could trust us. We were honest. And since then, our reputation has just taken a beating. And as the country has become More polarized. And as you've had these extremist elements dominating discourse more in the nation, it took longer, but it seeped into Minnesota, and it's caused more damage in Minnesota than it has in other states. And so I would submit to people, the way for us to turn things around, it's not by giving the keys to the kingdom to one political party and letting 52% of the state tell the other 48% what to do. The answer is you want divided government and you want to force people to work together. Will it be easy? Of course not. Rarely is it. But you will end up with a more efficient government with better results if you force people to be pragmatic and work together. And that's the answer, because you're not going to get pragmatism from one party in total control.

[Joe Soucheray]

Have you. Have you completely dedicated yourself to never running again?

[Pat Garofalo]

Oh, there it is. There it is. There's the shot question.

[Joe Soucheray]

Let's have an answer. No, I mean, you like your gig with the grocers, I bet it's interesting. It's gotta be 100% different than what you've been doing for 20 years. Yeah.

[Pat Garofalo]

And so my board of directors, many of them listen to your show. So to those, my bosses who are listening, just be clear. I love my job. I'm not going anywhere.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, no.

[Pat Garofalo]

I'm not trying to trap you or

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm just saying, have you ruled it out?

[Pat Garofalo]

So part of my brain is just wired into this mindset of, like, every day when you get up, you have a responsibility just to make the world a little better place. Right. And short of being a billionaire and owning a business. Right. Being in elected offices is one of the ways you can have the biggest impact to make things better. Right. Because whether you like it or not, you. One of the skills you develop as an elected official is you become a motivator, Right? Like a master motivator.

[Joe Soucheray]

But things aren't better in Minnesota.

[Pat Garofalo]

No, they're not.

[Joe Soucheray]

They're not.

[Pat Garofalo]

But I'm saying that my point is that if you're motivated by that, right. If you like to motivate people to do good things and make a positive difference and just not solve every single problem, not boil the ocean, but make things better. It's hard. Like, for me, I haven't been able to turn that off. I still care. Right? So I would. There was a time where I tried telling myself, I'll never run for elected office ever again. It's just clear that I care about this. I don't Know if that switch will ever shut off now. Maybe it will because I'll move to Tennessee or something. It'll go away. But I can't help but think that at some point in the future, what we're all talking about today, where it's like, hey, listen, we've got to get stuff done, we cannot have as much of a tolerance for ethical weasels and extremists.

[Joe Soucheray]

Unethical weasels.

[Pat Garofalo]

Unethical weasels, Yeah. I said it backwards. Obviously, I need to improve my vocabulary as well. But that tolerance for unethical weasels and corruption, people are going to look beyond that and they're going to want better results, and they're going to want people who can deliver those things. Then if that's the sort of future, then, yeah, maybe that's something I could do. But right now, all the momentum, and not just in Minnesota, but across the country, the momentum is with the crazies in both sides. And I just. I mean, I'm sorry, but guys like me are not successful in a political environment making the case for pragmatism, centrism, and reasonableness. And, I mean, I consider myself pretty conservative.

[Chris Reavers]

So much like Joe's line about that person's not left enough. What you're saying is you're not crazy enough to win. No. Meaning you're too much of a centrist. You're not an extremist.

[Pat Garofalo]

No. I guess when I use terms like centrism, I'm talking about getting results.

[Chris Reavers]

Sure.

[Pat Garofalo]

Right. So it's like at the end of the day, you want to. You have certain goals you want to achieve. If you're able to move the ball down the field, if you want to. Whatever your sports metaphor is, you want to take advantage of it. Right. And that's what you want to do. That is increasingly absent from politics. It is all or it is nothing. And if you do any sort of compromise, if you cooperate, if you work with the other side and listen to them and address their concerns, that's not viewed by extremists as principled leadership. That's viewed as, you're a rhino, you're

[Joe Soucheray]

soft, and there you fall back into the tribal qualities.

[Pat Garofalo]

Right. You get into this political. And of course, you've got the social media amplification, the monetization of anger, which is just constantly feeding things. And if you look at. So my hope of hopes is, like, Minnesota, we have led the way in this stuff in the past where we will break ranks. Remember, this is a state in 1990 that in the same election threw out a popular DFL governor in Rudy Perpich and at the same time threw out a popular Republican senator in Rudy Boshwitz and replaced them with a guy who had been on the ballot for two weeks, Arne Carlson, and a guy named Paul Wellstone. Now, whether you like their politics or not, there was accountability at the ballot box. The voters said, you know, it doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree on the issues. The message needs to be sent that things need to be done differently. And that's my hope of hopes, right? As people say, we want things to be different.

[Joe Soucheray]

When can we anticipate your next column?

[Pat Garofalo]

Maybe a couple of weeks, maybe some before the Fourth of July.

[Kenny]

It takes him a little longer to prepare a column than it does you.

[Pat Garofalo]

I put way too much time into writing this column. I put way too much time in.

[Chris Reavers]

What's your deadline?

[Pat Garofalo]

I don't have a deadline. That's not the point.

[Chris Reavers]

I was only trying to jab.

[Joe Soucheray]

Joel. Well, newspaper deadlines are a little early, so.

[Pat Garofalo]

No, it's just, you know, one of the nice things is, is that you get to, you know, I still get to say what I want and think what I want. And so one of the things I'm looking at right now is that, are you guys familiar with this pipeline down in southwestern Minnesota? Are you familiar with the Sandstone pipeline or pipestone? Pipestone or sandstone? They. There's a pipeline going through a national park. So they said, we're going to reroute it. And it's been closed. Now it's coming up on four years, and they can't get this thing permitted. So down, if you buy, there's like these depots where pipelines go for gasoline. They fill up the trucks and go down in southwestern Minnesota, they really can't use the Marshall Depot there. They got to go to other jurisdictions, like Alexandria. They gotta go all the way to Alexandria to fill up gas and come down. They're coming four years. It was a pipeline that was in place. It's just a new pipeline that goes around it. And the state of Minnesota, the Public Utilities Commission approved it. Certain tribal groups came out against it, so they rescinded the permit, and now it's been in permitting for four years. That's the sort of, like, dumb government that I think I want to highlight.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's what I want to read in

[Pat Garofalo]

your next column, is dumb government. What's the headline I should put on there? Like, groffalo Dumb government Bad?

[Joe Soucheray]

No, they'll write the headlines. You don't write the headlines.

[Pat Garofalo]

Yeah, I learned that. Who says that? Is that a.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's the way it works, Pat. You just give them the copy, my

[Kenny]

column, they're going to change it.

[Joe Soucheray]

You, you write the column, they put the headline on.

[Pat Garofalo]

See, I should have signed a contract or something to require that. Because the headline does matter.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, they're in charge of the headline.

[Pat Garofalo]

That's just the way. That's the way it is.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's just the way it is.

[Kenny]

Now, are you training your assistant over here to be a CPA or a politician?

[Pat Garofalo]

Let's not rope, let's not rope family into this. It's a disturbed family that we have right now. But no, but I. So I think what I was going to do is I'm going to find something that is just universally recognized, like, for example, the paid family leave program. Right. Can we all agree. I understand there's a difference of opinion about what the state mandate should be on paid family leave. Can we all agree that if you're going to take taxpayer funded paid family leave that you should have a job?

[Joe Soucheray]

I agree.

[Pat Garofalo]

That seems like a reasonable first step. A reasonable step.

[Joe Soucheray]

Let's put it this way, you're not going to be short of topics. You'll be all right. You'll be okay. There is a.

[Pat Garofalo]

What is the. There is a plethora, a plethora of topics to choose from. But it seems like that pipeline interested me. I think we've talked before about the Tamarack mine up in Aiken County. There's one working nickel mine in the entire country. It's in northern Michigan. It's about to shut down. And we've got a ton of nickel up in Aiken county, which we need for stainless steel, which we need for electric car batteries, which I know you're enthusiastic about. And so the plan right now is to dig up the earth in Aiken county, put it under rail cars and ship it out to North Dakota so it can be turned into nickel in the name of improving the environment. And the federal government is giving the company doing it over $100 million to do it because the federal government believes Minnesota can't get its permitting done.

[Joe Soucheray]

Pat, thank you.

[Pat Garofalo]

It's good to see you again.

[Joe Soucheray]

Good to see you. Come back in during football season and straighten us out how to make our bets.

[Pat Garofalo]

Oh, absolutely.

[Joe Soucheray]

Because you're still active in that, aren't you?

[Pat Garofalo]

Oh, I absolutely most certainly am, yes. And although I will do some self deprecating humor on myself all the time, I put into studying football and handicapping and having good years and bad years. Last year, my record throughout the NFL regular season was exactly 50. 50.

[Josh Arnold]

Really?

[Pat Garofalo]

Against the spread?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Pat Garofalo]

Do you know how depressing that is?

[Joe Soucheray]

Thanks, Pat. Good seeing you. Thank you. Why don't you take a time out here, Reeves?

[Kenny]

Okay.

[Ken]

All right.

[Joe Soucheray]

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[Chris Reavers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

Here's John Height.

[John Haidt]

Thank you, Joe. This news is brought to you by North American Banking Company. Strong winds, rain and lightning knocked down trees and power lines across the Metro, leaving about 50,000 people without power in Minnesota. Trees down in multiple places overnight across the Twin Cities, including West James Avenue, wheeler street in St. Paul's Mac Groveland neighborhood. Trees and branches also knocked down power lines across the metro. Most of the outages were in the eastern Twin Cities, according to Excess Energy. Xcel said it had crews in place before the storms because it expected damaging winds. A spokesperson also said about 275 crews were out in the field this morning trying to safely restore power as quickly as possible. Additional teams would be slated to join a little later. As of about four hours or so, ago, about 50,000 people were without power in Minnesota, 25,000 of those in Ramsey County. University of Minnesota, Fairview Health Services and University of Minnesota Physicians have reached final agreements on a new tenure partnership. The deal still needs approval from each organization's board, but it would take effect on January 1st. It ends years of uncertainty over the future of their health care partnership, with the current 30 year agreement set to expire at the end of this year. The partnership serves about 1.2 million patients a year and helps train 70% of Minnesota doctors. Minneapolis leaders say Operation Metro Surge cost residents and businesses about $700 million.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know what? I don't believe that figure. I hate to be cynical. Far be it for me to ever be cynical, but that strikes me as a lot of money.

[John Haidt]

City leaders discussed the updated impact assessment on the community during a news conference this morning. Mayor Jacob Fry discussing the effects of federal immigration enforcement from December 2025, April 2026, which he said mostly affected the Central and Whittier neighborhoods. Of the 700 million, the city said businesses lost 445 million in revenue and workers lost $152 million in wages. The city said it plans and I'm

[Joe Soucheray]

not buying it, John. You're talking some ethnic restaurants and some coffee shops. Do you know anyone who didn't go to work when ICE was here?

[John Haidt]

Do I?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[John Haidt]

Yes. Yes, I do.

[Joe Soucheray]

Who?

[John Haidt]

Well, I'm not going to name any names. I can tell you off if you'd like.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, but I mean somebody you're close to, Somebody my.

[John Haidt]

My son is close to. I know he knew about three, actually. Three people.

[Joe Soucheray]

What did they do for a living? Well, you don't want to.

[Ken]

Were they legal?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[John Haidt]

Yes. And one questionable, let's put it that way.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay. But do not question this story, though.

[Ken]

We're talking about. Let me bring us back track here. Nowhere in the article does it give us any numbers or any proof or any data or anything. I mean, if you're going to say that.

[Joe Soucheray]

Just a BS number.

[Ken]

Just show me the number. Show me the paperwork. I want to see. I want to see the ledger.

[John Haidt]

The city said it plans to refund license fees for 1200 businesses through the Small Business Resiliency Fund for $1.7 million. It'll also provide 3.8 million in emergency rent assistance with another 3 million donated by the Wilson Foundation. According to the assessment, 10 million been spent on city staff, payroll, police, overtime and operational expenses from the surge and inside schools. Minneapolis district says it served nearly 441,000 fewer meals and student departures rose about 70% year over year.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay, do we have a time? Did they set a time frame on this period of loss? Yeah, it said two dates from January,

[John Haidt]

what to December 2025 through April 2026.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, if those little businesses are grinding out 700 million, the city should be in much better shape than it is.

[John Haidt]

After a nearly eight hour standoff, police took a suspect into custody who fired at Hennepin county deputies while they were serving a warrant in south Minneapolis on Tuesday afternoon. Hennepin County Sheriff Dewana Witt said that at around 11:15 in the morning, deputies who are trying to serve a Minnesota Department of Corrections felony arrest warrant for weapons in the area of West 28th and Nicollet. Officials later confirmed the arrest warrant was for 31 year old Tyler O'. Brien. When deputies knocked on the apartment door, they heard multiple shots fired and learned that a woman and child were also in the apartment being held hostage and if in county authorities say the woman and child eventually left the apartment safely. About an hour after, o' Brien said he had pulled the pin on an explosive device and was willing to throw it. However, no explosive device was used. Authorities from multiple law enforcement agencies set up fire, a perimeter and the building was evacuated. A drone was used to locate o' Brien in the building, but he shot it down. And every county officials said that after nearly eight hours he surrendered and was taken into custody.

[Ken]

Isn't that the same neighborhood where there was an ice incident involved with somebody getting shot?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes.

[Ken]

Yeah. 20th the Nicolette in that area.

[John Haidt]

Another standoff yesterday in Coon Rapids was resolved after several hours. Police say officers were called to a home just after 4 in the morning Tuesday after a man on his way to the home said he'd been stabbed. That man was taken to a hospital for treatment of a cut to his arm. He will survive. Investigators learned the attack took place at a home on Idlewise street just off of Crooked Lake Boulevard Northwest near North Dale Boulevard. A man inside the home refused to exit. SWAT was called. After a long standoff, SWAT team members were taken to or seen taking. Excuse me, man in handcuffs to an ambulance at about 1:30 in the afternoon. Why don't we take a quick break

[Joe Soucheray]

here and hear from the mayor off the air? Garofalo and I were talking about his newest electric car that has self driving and he wanted to take me for a ride and I wouldn't do it. There's too many reasons to get into an accident and that would be one of them as far as I'm concerned. I'm going to drive the car. All right, I got you. Okay. If you're in an accident, get ahold of Bradshaw and Bryant. They're personal injury attorneys. They're the best in the business. Insurance companies and adjusters can be tough to deal with, so having someone on your side is important. Mike Bryant's the answer. They put together a team. They'll explain your rights, represent you, help you through a tough time. I hope you're never in an accident. But if you are, call Bradshaw and Bryant at 800-7707 or go to Minnesota personal injury.com for a free case evaluation. And don't be part of the problem. Don't text and drive or drive distracted or let the car drive itself. That's just common sense from Bradshaw and Bryant.

[Kenny]

Kick him out of the

[Joe Soucheray]

the earth

[Chris Reavers]

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[John Haidt]

Thanks, Chris. Consumer prices up 4.2% in May from a year earlier according to the Labor Department this morning, accelerating from 3.8% the previous month. That was the highest year over year print since April 2023 and a sign that high energy costs stemming from the conflic with Iran are continuing to push up price pressures. Inflation is looming large for federal Reserve policymakers as they gear up for their first gathering under new chairman Kevin Warsh in a week's time, the central bank is facing overlapping inflationary shocks from tariffs, energy costs and the investment boom in artificial intelligence. The pickup in inflation in recent months, combined with signs that the Labor Department is on a more solid footing, provide grist to federal officials who fear interest rates are too low to restrain new price pressures. Investors entered the year expecting rate cuts, but traders are now increasing their bets that the Fed will have to raise interest rates by the end of the year. Election News In Maine yesterday, the general election matchup between Republican Senator Susan Collins and Democratic challenger Graham Platner is now set, kicking off one of the fall's premier battleground contests. Platner, a Marine veteran and oysterman Ranigrasseritz anti establishment campaign, aligning himself with the party's progressive wing on calls for for universal health care, criticism of foreign intervention and US Support of Israel. The groundswell of support was enough to overcome several rounds of controversy that rocked his campaign, beginning with revelations last fall about an offensive old social media post which Platner said he now disavowed, followed by reporting about a tattoo on his chest with Nazi linked iconography.

[Joe Soucheray]

Iconography I can I I think you got it fine.

[John Haidt]

John okay, close enough. Since since then he has covered up that tattoo. It Platner throw a hard fought Democratic primary against outgoing governor Janet Mills, who was recruited to run by Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, but suspended her campaign in April due to a lack of fundraising. Platner came under further scrutiny in the days leading up to the primary, with some calling for Mills to unsuspend her campaign amid reports that Platner was facing allegations of unsettling and in at least one case, physically threatening behavior toward women he dated and that he exchanged sexually explicit messages with multiple women women outside his marriage. Other election news Yesterday Senator Lindsey Graham, a close ally of President Trump, an outspoken proponent of the Iran war, seeking his fifth term, avoided a runoff after securing a majority in his GOP primary. With about three quarters of the votes counted. Graham had 58%, Greenville businessman Mark Lynch 28%. In South Carolina, Representative Nancy Mace was knocked out of the race for South Carolina governor as the one time rising star of the Republican Party was running a distant future fifth in the state's GOP primary with 99% of the vote counted. Lt. Gov. Pamela Evatt, who was endorsed by President Trump, was leading with 28.9%. Representative Ralph Norman had 17.1%. Mace was in fifth place with 12.1% in the race for Mesa's congressional seat, Nancy LaCour, a former Navy admiral who was fired by Pete Hagseth, advanced to a Democratic primary runoff for the 1st congressional district of South Carolina. It's Mesa's seat in in the Congress. Whoever wins the runoff on June 23rd will face a daunting task in the fall. The coastal district was redrawn in 2021 to be more Reply Reliably Republican. Mace won reelection by double digits in each of her past two elections. LaCour, though, has a higher than average profile for a political newcomer. Last August, she was fired by Hegseth after 35 years in the Navy. She had said she was given no cause for the fire. In California, conservative Steve Hilton, former top adviser to ex UK Prime Minister David Cameron and a former Fox News host, will advance as one of two candidates in the race for California governor. After a week of counting ballots from the June 2 primary, the British born candidate secured his slot Move ahead in the election, edging out billionaire climate activist Tom Steyer, the Democrat Hilton will face former Biden administration health Secretary Xavier Basket Sarah in the general election in November. Taking another step toward one of the most complex human spaceflight missions in recent history, NASA Yesterday provided new Artemis 3 details and announced the four Prime Crew members and a backup for the test flight. The mission will undertake a series of challenging tests in Earth orbit in 2027, essential for Artemis 4, the first planned crew mission mission to the lunar south pole in 2028. UK confronting a second bout of anti immigration riots in a week after a Sudanese asylum seeker allegedly stabbed a man on the street in Belfast, showing that the issue, which has drawn criticism from the Trump administration, has become a significant flashpoint in the country's politics. Groups of masked men targeted minorities and in some cases tried to burn them out of their homes overnight Tuesday. And according to North Ireland's First Minister Michelle o', Neill, who condemned the violence, outright thuggery. Cars, buses and some homes were set on fire hours after the video went viral, showing a man straddling the victim on the street, holding a knife aloft and repeatedly stabbing the man in the face and the neck.

[Ken]

Wow.

[John Haidt]

House Republicans passing a package to fund Immigration and ICE and Customs, excuse me, Immigration and Customs Enforcement or ICE and border patrol through 2029, marking a victory for President Trump and GOP law leaders, the nearly 70 billion dollar budget reconciliation package that had stalled in the Senate for weeks passed the lower chamber by a vote of 214 to 212. Representative Kevin Kiley, an independent from California, joined all Democrats in opposing the measure. Pornographic images were found in some copies of the city of Pomona's summer recreation guide why Not? Which was mailed out to residents evidence, according to a city councilman. Councilman Victor Preciado confirmed discovery of the images Monday night after the city issued a statement saying the inclusion of their words inappropriate images was not intentional and that they are working to identify the

[Kenny]

Glad to hear that it was not intentional.

[Joe Soucheray]

We didn't mean Right.

[Kenny]

I didn't. Glad to hear that.

[Ken]

Oh, that's where they went.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes.

[John Haidt]

Looking for those working to identify the cause and strengthen safeguards to prevent that from ever happening again, preciado said in a text message he learned about the issue with porn and some copies of the guide after a Pomona couple brought him two copies of the promotional guide, Pomoda Assistant City Manager Mark Gluba said by email. The images appear to be pages of adult content ads in place of planned city content and only a limited number number were actually distributed with the porn content.

[Joe Soucheray]

He did not specify it sold out immediately. People signed up.

[Kenny]

Where can I get my back copies?

[John Haidt]

Gluba said. The city is working to verify the addresses that reported receiving the inappropriate pages to ensure the vendor is mailed a legitimate copy out to those people after the fact.

[Joe Soucheray]

That gets the foghorn because that wasn't inappropriate. It was wrong. It was wrong. It was wrong.

[John Haidt]

Very much so. And more than 100,000 live cockroaches illegal to keep in Australia were confiscated from a single breeder in the country's largest ever seizure of exotic invertebrates, officials say. The hall of Madagascar hissing cockroaches and dubia cockroaches worth 200,000 Australian dollars, or about 142,000American dollars was seized in May from a commercial breeder in the city of Bathurst in New South Wales state, according to Australia's Department of Climate Change, Energy, Environment and Water. The Madagascar hissing species is one of the world's biggest cockroaches. They're about 2 to 3 inches in length. Photos released by the department showed a shiny brown invertebrate larger than a person's finger. That's much bigger than the country's common Australian cockroach, which meant measures about an inch to 1.4 inches.

[Joe Soucheray]

Will they kill you? Everything in Australia kills you. They got a lot of bugs, yeah.

[John Haidt]

The cockroaches flourish in Australia because of its subtropical climate, and the country is home to hundreds of species of cockroaches. Did we know there was a hundred?

[Joe Soucheray]

I didn't know that and why were these so expensive? What are what, what are they for?

[John Haidt]

Well, they're likely being sold as a cost effective reptile food, Joe, because they're so big.

[Joe Soucheray]

I see.

[John Haidt]

So you feed them to your pet lizards.

[Joe Soucheray]

So it's not bad enough in Australia you have these super cockroaches. You need them to feed your snake.

[Kenny]

Yes, your giant anaconda snake. So the first thing I do when I go to Australia is I'm going to buy a big sturdy tennis racket so you can smack the hell out of them.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm never going there.

[Kenny]

You're just not going. You're going to avoid it.

[Joe Soucheray]

The flight's too long.

[John Haidt]

That's a long flight, man.

[Chris Reavers]

So your first step is Dick's Sporting Goods.

[Kenny]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

Get a tennis racket, whatever the version

[Ken]

of Australia, Matthew, that puts you too close to the cockroach. You need a tennis racket with like a rake handle, an extender.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay. Yeah. Right.

[Kenny]

Okay. Thank you for the tip, John.

[Joe Soucheray]

Thank you so much.

[John Haidt]

You're welcome.

[Joe Soucheray]

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[Kenny]

Yes it is

[Joe Soucheray]

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[Kenny]

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[Joe Soucheray]

We had the power outage today at the old estate, and that creates a coffee emergency.

[Chris Reavers]

I thought you said you didn't have a storm last night.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, there was a storm. I didn't hear it. I saw the lightning. I didn't hear the wind, but I don't doubt it. There's a lot of trees down and the stoplights are out, and our power was off. And so I went where I always go, which is infrequently when the power's out. I go to the bean factory. It's right on Randolph between Snelling and Hamlin. And you could tell the power was out because of a long, long line, right? And I got in the. I said, right, isn't that terrible? I got in the line and worked my way to the front. And I was ordering and I was reading the menu, and the next thing I knew, I. I was ready to order. And I ordered a large coffee and a small coffee, just the regular coffee of the day. And I went to pay, and she said, the lady in front of you paid for you. Isn't that something?

[John Haidt]

Oh, no, sure.

[Joe Soucheray]

And I looked around for her. She was already gone. I didn't know who it was. And she was paying it forward, apparently, which was very nice of her.

[Chris Reavers]

So you took off.

[Joe Soucheray]

So I left with the two coffee.

[Ken]

Ironic, Joe, that they pay for the guy behind them, but they call it forward. Yeah, that doesn't work in my brain.

[Chris Reavers]

Should be pay it behind.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, pay it behind was very nice of her, very kind.

[Ken]

But then you're supposed to do the same thing.

[Joe Soucheray]

I know, but I'm getting to that. Okay. It occurred to me that I should do that at the time. I had the two cups of coffee in my hand, and now I'm suffering third degree burns. It was so hot how it was, I might as well have grabbed a ring of Saturn. It was. It was. All I could do was get to A trash container that had a, that had a top on it and set them down. And then. Oh my God. It was just one of these, the filter. They didn't put the sleeve on it.

[Ken]

Well, that's because you voted for Trump.

[Joe Soucheray]

So then. Well, now see that, that's going to factor in here. Now I'm approached by a woman named Kim, who's a great geologist and it was wonderful and she was very nice and hey, you're, you're, you're the guy. And she, she wanted to know if I wanted any help putting the coffee in my car. I said, no, I don't, I don't want you to your car. I don't want you to touch it. Your hand will fall off.

[Kenny]

You have a cane.

[Joe Soucheray]

So. So I got it in the car and, and, and got home. Home. Only to discover our power was back on. Oh. When I got out of the car, I spilled the coffee. I bought anyway, the large one, cuz it was so hot. I just let it go. I just thought I was suffering.

[Kenny]

You just dropped it.

[Joe Soucheray]

It was just a, it was a, it was a BLEEP show. Oh, wow. But I only mention it because it was so nice of those people. That's not a GL area, I don't think. I mean, that's not really.

[Kenny]

No, it's not at all, at all.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's kind of euphorian and it was just great. And what are you wearing?

[Kenny]

Did you. Did you look like a bum or did you. He had his.

[Chris Reavers]

The sweat T shirt.

[John Haidt]

The.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, the circus socks.

[Chris Reavers]

Dr. Sue socks.

[Kenny]

Well, I wouldn't call those a c. I would call those a rainbow sock. And maybe that's why you got paid.

[John Haidt]

And we, we still have the question, though, Joe, as Kenny pointed out.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[John Haidt]

To move that on. Did you pay for the.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, I didn't. I was so consumed with my burns. Can I tell you guys something I should have. And boy, it was very nice to have that done. I've never experienced it before.

[Ken]

You might not be surprised by this. I hate pay it forward. And when somebody did that for me, I refused to take my food.

[John Haidt]

Really?

[Ken]

I just said. Well, I, I actually said something really mean that ends with you.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, no. Terrible. Yikes.

[Kenny]

I would like to.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's to me pay.

[Ken]

It is like waving from a pontoon at people on shore. It's the same thing. That's the trouble with society now is you pay it forward. People have ruined life for me.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, I, I don't look at it that way.

[John Haidt]

Yeah, I can't agree with that, at

[Ken]

the crabby coffee shop, we do not pay it forward.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, there's a sign for your own order, and that's it.

[Kenny]

Yeah, it's not allowed. How do you know how much people bought to pay for?

[Joe Soucheray]

So I figure there's maybe two days a year when it would really be worth owning a coffee shop. Shop when the power goes out. Because you couldn't fight your way in there.

[Ken]

Why don't you stop in there tomorrow to test that theory?

[John Haidt]

There you go. Good idea.

[Ken]

Because you often throw these.

[Pat Garofalo]

Did you hear me?

[Ken]

I just said often. You often throw these theories out, but then you don't back them up with real science. Do you not believe in science?

[Chris Reavers]

Do you not.

[Joe Soucheray]

Like, it's a very popular neighborhood coffee shop. They have a patio and.

[Kenny]

Okay, but.

[Joe Soucheray]

So, no, I don't want any analysis. I already told you what happened.

[Kenny]

Smoke in the panel order is $9.87.

[Joe Soucheray]

What? It wasn't that much. I don't know how much it would have been. It was paid forward.

[Kenny]

Yeah, but they paid $9. I'm seeing the Larry David thing here. They paid it forward.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know, you.

[Kenny]

You. You kind of owe 87 cents here.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Pat Garofalo]

What about the tip?

[Kenny]

Yeah.

[Ken]

Did you give them the 15%?

[John Haidt]

Right, exactly.

[Joe Soucheray]

I was prepared to give the barista. Oh, wow. Depending on the change I received, I was prepared to leave a tip.

[John Haidt]

Man, they paid it for it. Yeah, but 87 cents.

[Joe Soucheray]

Hey, you still owe some money.

[Kenny]

I would love that.

[Chris Reavers]

You know, that's akin to the time rookie went to Little Caesars. It really is.

[Joe Soucheray]

I don't think so.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, it sounds like it.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, I don't think so.

[Kenny]

She didn't know how to make change.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, this. This was. This is just. A lot of things happen in that brief adventure, and I. I only to discover that the power was. Power outages are weird. I mean, the people next to me had power when I didn't have power.

[Chris Reavers]

Maybe they knew who you were and waited to get around to your house last.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, that's Royce that suffers there. I. My. I have no complaints about.

[Chris Reavers]

You know, it dawned on me as you were telling that story, you're pretty much the reason then, that McDonald's has to put the warning label on the cup.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, it's funny you say that. I've always wondered about, well, how bad could it be, lady, that you're suing them now? I'm not suing anybody, because I'm fine. It didn't do anything. But it's too hot. Why. Why does that have to Be the surface temperature of the sun.

[Ken]

You could request an ice cube. I always do that when I buy Americanos.

[Joe Soucheray]

I don't. Maybe I should have, but it all worked out.

[Kenny]

The lady that that happened to, that got burned by McDonald's.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Kenny]

Just asked for reimbursement and McDonald's said no. And that is why she went after the lawsuit.

[Ken]

Hey, guys, how do you think. What do you think the general mood was of the customers behind Joe in line? You think there was a lot of.

[Pat Garofalo]

A lot of people, A lot of

[Joe Soucheray]

people going, no, I was the short. No, I don't. My order was the short, shortest order in there.

[Kenny]

I bet he wants an extra hot.

[Pat Garofalo]

He's not paying it forward.

[Ken]

I have one more question for you fellas regarding the power being out. When you wake up in the middle of the storm and you see your power is out, do you get up and investigate or do you roll over and go back to sleep?

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm a roll over to come up. I'm not getting up.

[Ken]

I'm a roll over.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm going back to bed.

[John Haidt]

At the risk of being jinxed, I haven't lost power in over 20 years.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, you better knock on. You're done. Now I'm screwed.

[Kenny]

I think Joe's an elbower, saying, hey, I think the power's out. You better go check.

[Joe Soucheray]

All I saw, all I saw of that storm was the lightning. I didn't hear any thunder. I didn't hear any rain. I didn't hear any wind. So there obviously was not much of a.

[Kenny]

My trek to the radio station here was filled with tree debris.

[Joe Soucheray]

Say, remember yesterday we learned that Don Trump is having the weigh in for the big fight, the fourth of July. That's this Sunday night. He's having the weigh in at the Lincoln Memorial. And leave it to the Mink to come up with this in defense of Big Don. Particularly the weigh in at the Lincoln Memorial Memorial. Abraham Lincoln was a renowned wrestler. Yeah, he might approve. Lincoln might approve that. So there you have that. How do you like that?

[Kenny]

Did he have the bad ears?

[Joe Soucheray]

Who, Mink?

[Kenny]

No, Lincoln.

[Joe Soucheray]

And Steve Wilson is really having some fun in Ireland. He says, g', day, mates. But that's Australia, isn't it?

[John Haidt]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Our family was in John's Hardware and Bar in Dingle, Ireland. And lo and behold, we met someone who had heard of gl. Abby Thorsgard and her husband came up to us after noticing my GL hat. And she said that her dad Kevin's favorite show was garagelogic. Small world. You are the biggest Broadcast in Dingle. Isn't that something we.

[Kenny]

Sounds kind of weird, but yes, we're

[Joe Soucheray]

number one in Dingle. I don't know what that is. He does note that there are six people who live there. I wonder if they have their version of the Marconis. Maybe you got a shot. Wilson's having a lot of fun at our house.

[Josh Arnold]

Come home.

[Chris Reavers]

Go home.

[Joe Soucheray]

Go home.

[Kenny]

Steve, Julie, get him home, please.

[Joe Soucheray]

Aiken or wherever the hell you live.

[Kenny]

Close enough.

[Joe Soucheray]

Leave us alone. What's this one? Please don't use my name as I am a hapless, law abiding state employee. We were informed in the last few weeks that due to an IRS requirement from five years ago that now state employees will be fingerprinted and background checked by September of this year. The BCA will conduct this. They are beginning with the Department of Revenue. Why don't they start with the governor and legislature? As far as I know, they have not endured this. I think they are trying to show they are fighting fraud. Well, too little too late for our state in America. I thought I would leave the planet without being subjected to this kind of intrusion. No one seems to care. Our union has not mentioned it, as far as I know. Why do we even live our lives? We are but saps and chumps. Good luck. I can't read the name because they don't want their name.

[Ken]

Unknown Unknown person Minnesota government employees are not universally fingerprinted, but it is strictly required for specific roles such as those handling sensitive criminal justice information services, working in licensed Department of Human Services facilities, or applying for state health and social work licenses.

[Joe Soucheray]

There you go, Craig writes. Your emailer yesterday hit the nail on the head with his explanation of the purported stolen land we seem to hear about every time a DSA socialist encounters a live microphone. When I hear people lament that stolen land and that we should return it to our indigenous brothers and sisters, I always ask them to which tribe? As your emailer mentioned, we know, and the archaeological record proves that Native American tribes have been fighting and committing atrocities against each other for centuries. It wasn't until another set of tribes, the white Germanic tribes, or more specifically the Anglo Saxons among them, began to win battles and eventually the war. Life was brutal and ugly back then. It was winner take all. We shouldn't apologize or return land for winning a war that had been fought for centuries before our ancestors even dreamed of landing in North America. Well, there is that interesting, but I think the question is the best. To the global warming crowd, you say, what's the temperature supposed to be they give back the land crowd, I guess you could say. To what tribe?

[Kenny]

Yeah, right. Who was first? We don't know.

[Joe Soucheray]

We don't know, do we? Man, I don't know. You know that Stephen C. And a host of wonderful musicians, including Patrick Donahue, they're going to have a Fourth of July blowout at the cathedral just before the fireworks. Oh, cool.

[Kenny]

Nice.

[Joe Soucheray]

And there are going to be fireworks. I'll have more on that as the day draws closer. But I wanted to mention that that's nice because there's going to be a big fireworks display. And I was informed by an emailer that in Belle Plaine, Minnesota. Minnesota, the debate about the fraud flag versus the true flag took up quite a bit of a city council meeting. And as near as I can understand it, it's not been voted on yet. It was a piece in the Belle plain bulletin dated June 5, written by Rachel Miller, and she mentioned in here that there are 28 communities in the state that have already vetoed to fly the old flag. 28 have vetoed to fly the old flag. What are we up to, gabe, on over 90? 101.

[Kenny]

The crawl ape have vetoed to go with the old flag.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, it looks like you said.

[Ken]

Yeah, he did.

[Joe Soucheray]

Dale Loudermilk said 28 communities in the state have already vetoed. Vetoed to fly the old flag. What does that mean?

[Ken]

That means they're flying the new flag.

[Kenny]

They're flying the new one. So that's not a ray of hope.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wait a minute. I guess I brought it up because I thought you say that 28 communities are neglecting to fly the real flag. I mean, the new flag. And as we know from our crawl, we're now at 101 cities, municipalities, towns and counties in Minnesota. Minnesota that are flying the tried and true flag. 101 here, here. So congratulations.

[Chris Reavers]

I think what that email was supposed to read was they have vetoed to fly the new flag, meaning they are

[Joe Soucheray]

flying the old flag.

[Chris Reavers]

That's how I wrote.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, if that's the case, 28 is a low count. It's 101.

[Ken]

No, read it word for word.

[Chris Reavers]

Because Ken, here. Here's why I say that, Ken, I put into AI. Minnesota communities have vetoed to fly the new flag. And it says several Minnesota communities have voted to not fly the newly adopted state flag. You see what I'm saying? So this was hudding 1.

[Joe Soucheray]

Are flying the true flag.

[Chris Reavers]

I'm just trying to explain.

[Joe Soucheray]

We're going to drop it.

[Kenny]

That's factual.

[Joe Soucheray]

We're dropping it 101 is factual. We're dropping it right now.

[Kenny]

I will say in my absence.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yesterday we were dropping it.

[Kenny]

Yeah, at the Gulf, we're dropping it. No, this hasn't anything to do with the flag. Garage Logica was well represented at the Emerald Greens golf tournament.

[Ken]

What do you mean by that?

[Kenny]

There were so many jailers that said hello that either recognized me or knew I was there and are big fans of the show, including Fu, Construct, Hu Construction, Nate and the group over there.

[Joe Soucheray]

Did you injure anyone?

[John Haidt]

Excuse me.

[Joe Soucheray]

Excuse me.

[John Haidt]

It's huge.

[Joe Soucheray]

Did you injure anyone?

[Kenny]

I shot the best I've ever shot in 20 years.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know what the key is? Never play.

[Kenny]

Why do I play?

[Pat Garofalo]

Right.

[Kenny]

I need a hobby. But I don't think it's golf.

[Joe Soucheray]

Now we have this note from the traveling lineman's because it's only because these come to us all the way from the traveling lineman's. Joe, South Africa doesn't do daylight savings time. The time difference is seven hours. When you start the podcast at noon Wednesday, it will be 7pm Wednesday in South Africa. If our flight is on time, we will land at 12:40pm Minnesota Wednesday in Johannesburg, South Africa. They probably just touched down. I bet, right? Get off the plane, go through South Africa immigration and Customs. With 11 hours layover at Johannesburg, we will check into a hotel at the airport where we can shower, sleep and eat. Board our last flight, the third of the trip at 12am Minnesota time, which is less than a one hour flight to Nels Pruitt Mpumalanga, Kruger airport. We will get our luggage, pick up our rental car and drive about 90 minutes to Marlith Park, South Africa. Everything is on time. Total travel time door to door will be 38 hours.

[Ken]

You know the one thing we forgot to ask when she was talking about the animals coming right into their house?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yep.

[Ken]

What's the bug situation like in those houses?

[Joe Soucheray]

That's a good question. And we didn't ask.

[Ken]

Yeah, that's why I asked.

[Kenny]

Right?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, it was on this day, Joe,

[Chris Reavers]

today is June 10th.

[Joe Soucheray]

In 1864 at Bryce's Crossroads in Mississippi, Confederate forces led by Nathan Bedford Forrest captured 233 soldiers from the 9th Minnesota Regiment Regiment. The captors captives were sent to Andersonville Prison in Georgia where 119 died. Don't give me your BS about reparations. On this day in 1902, Joe, today is June. I don't know that your town makes it all the time. Faribault's first passenger train arrived again arrived at the depot.

[Kenny]

Oh, I bet yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, where else do you think it would have arrived? In the middle of a field, maybe.

[Chris Reavers]

Never know.

[Joe Soucheray]

On this day, June 10th, in 1922, Francis Gum. What would she later be known as?

[Kenny]

Francis Gum, later known as Amelia Earhart,

[Ken]

changed her name to Francis Scott Key.

[Kenny]

Yep.

[Joe Soucheray]

Judy Garland, true patriot.

[Kenny]

Thank you, you, Ken.

[Joe Soucheray]

Francis Gumm was born in this day.

[Chris Reavers]

This is a Gum. Oh, this is a stick up.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's Judy Garland. She changed her name from Francis Gum.

[John Haidt]

That's what I said. Was this mic on?

[Joe Soucheray]

I know you did, John, but nobody else was listening, apparently.

[Kenny]

Any relation to Jamie Gumm?

[Joe Soucheray]

Frances Gumm, later known as actress and singer Judy Garland, was born in Grand Rapids on this day in 1922. She died in London on June 23, 1969. On this day in sports disappointment history.

[Chris Reavers]

Joe, who did we lose to on June 10th?

[Joe Soucheray]

We didn't. Well, we might have. Yeah, we did. 1961, the Twins played in the first ever. This is something. The Twins played in the first ever nationally televised baseball game. Game. Losing four to three to Baltimore. How fitting. Geez Louise. We lost. Unbelievable. On this day, June 10, in 2017, former Minnesota NLL franchise and lacrosse National Lacrosse League Georgia Swarm won the championship.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, they were the Minnesota Swarm.

[Kenny]

So after the Swarm left, they went to Georgia and won a championship.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, they left in 2015. And so like anybody else who leaves here, any individual or any team, you know, Dallas has a cup in hockey right after they left. Lakers have titles. The Lakers, the original Lakers did have titles.

[Chris Reavers]

Cat's going to win a title with the Knicks.

[John Haidt]

Joe, may I interrupt you for a moment?

[Joe Soucheray]

I wish you would, even though I'm in a hurry.

[John Haidt]

That first one you said about the Twins in the ball game.

[Kenny]

Yeah?

[John Haidt]

Did you say first nationally televised game?

[Joe Soucheray]

That's what I said.

[John Haidt]

John, wouldn't every World Series game up to that point have been nationally televised?

[Kenny]

Wow.

[Joe Soucheray]

I don't know.

[Kenny]

Of course they would have day games.

[Ken]

Okay, wait, no, Chris, no, no. I have a question for all of you guys before we go.

[Kenny]

What do you want to know?

[Ken]

Do you want to address John's question first, though?

[Joe Soucheray]

When was the first nationally televised baseball?

[Ken]

They look for that.

[Joe Soucheray]

Could you type that in quick?

[John Haidt]

I. I already did, if you really wanted.

[Joe Soucheray]

What did you find out?

[John Haidt]

It said the first nationally televised game was in 1939. Although there weren't a lot of TVs then, so not a lot of people see it.

[Ken]

You're like the talk show host. You knew the answer before you asked the question.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, I think I'm. I Think I can reinterpret this? Oh, okay. Twins play. First ever nationally televised game. I think it was the first time the Twins were in a nationally televised game.

[John Haidt]

And what year was that?

[Joe Soucheray]

1961.

[Pat Garofalo]

Oh, that's.

[John Haidt]

You know what, Joe? You're correct. That's got to be. Right?

[Joe Soucheray]

That's got to be what that means.

[John Haidt]

So interpretation.

[Kenny]

All right, so I'm gonna.

[Ken]

You guys, you know I have a problem recognizing people I've already met, right?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes.

[Ken]

Today on Crabby. And I need you guys, I need your memory. We're having on Becca Thompson.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, I know who that is.

[Ken]

Okay, good. She was. She was the school teacher. Right.

[Joe Soucheray]

She was a Minneapolis park board member.

[Ken]

Also a park board member. We're going to talk to her about goings on within the park and over in uptown. She's very upset.

[Joe Soucheray]

Did she.

[Ken]

Was she also the gal that was busy rebuilding a motorcycle?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes. Okay, thank you. Yes. All right. She was a delightful, feisty girl. Guest. Yeah, she's a math teacher at. She was a math teacher.

[Chris Reavers]

Southwest or south?

[Ken]

South.

[Joe Soucheray]

What was. Why did we have her on?

[Chris Reavers]

Did she have.

[Ken]

They were.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, we had her on the phone.

[Ken]

The students were beating up the teachers and she had the gall to bring it to the school board and her superiors. And so instead of doing something about it, they ran her out of there.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's right. She was.

[Ken]

And then I believe she lost to Chowow. Chowdy, Ward 12.

[Joe Soucheray]

She lost that child, Chowder head. Yeah. That's a shame. She would have been a great city council person. Is she coming in here in person?

[Ken]

Yeah, yeah. She's going to be there at 2 o'.

[Chris Reavers]

Clock.

[Ken]

We're going to record it, too. It'll be released later today.

[Joe Soucheray]

Very good. Thank you.

[Chris Reavers]

Please do us a favor, if you haven't done so already, and hit the subscribe button on the Garage Lodging YouTube channel, where mostly you can watch the show every single day starting at noon. You can also see full segments. There's video shorts, there's behind the scenes footage. Just search garage logic. That's two words on YouTube, along with all of our social media channels. That includes Facebook, Instagram and X. And also, don't forget to sign up for the daily logistics. That is an email that comes right to your inbox each and every single day. And it includes the most recent episode of the podcast. You can find out more and sign up today [e-mail] it's time once again, that we check in with our guy, Mr. Money Talk. Josh Arnold is with us once again right here in Garagelogic and now is the time for you to do the same. So do not delay, do exactly what I did in pick up that phone and dial 952-92-55608. That number once again is 952-925-5608. When you call that number you're going to get Josh and he is there for you for that.

[Joe Soucheray]

Free.

[Chris Reavers]

Yep, I use the word free 48 minute financial consultation with absolutely zero obligation. And he will always give you the straight talk, he will never give you the sugar coated advice. And he is on the line with us once again right here in garagelogic. And boy, Josh, a company you mentioned last week or maybe just a couple of days ago, boy, there's some profit taking ahead of the deal right now, isn't there?

[Josh Arnold]

Oh my goodness, we've talked about this before but there's an awful lot of selling ahead of this base X deal. The order book closes tonight, so if you have not put your order in, good luck, God bless you. You have to wait for the open. They're going to price the deal tomorrow and trading will start on Friday. Right now the prediction markets are saying that the stock will be priced at Elon Musk price of $135 and will open Trad of $160 a share. Kind of interesting but not unusual. You would think with all the hype, however Chris, that SpaceX would open at double the offer price but it probably opened just above $160 a share. In all likelihood there are many free IPO buyers or buyers of the SpaceX when it was a private company and they were doing private fundraising before this ipo. Plenty of those people will be looking to sell at least a portion of their position. So that will be coming into the market to possibly depress any upward move. And a lot of insiders of SpaceX, including you know, any employees are also allowed to sell as part of of the part of the process. I am told that this particular deal is over subscribed by three times. So if you are looking to get we'll say 100 shares, you might get 0 or you might get 30. Me, as I have said repeatedly, this is not a deal that I would want to go into on the open. Very, very difficult to look at a company trading at 100 times sales with no earnings. The idea behind SpaceX is tremendous and SpaceX at least the rocket company will probably be or continue to be a leader in sending rockets up both low orbit, pushing up low orbit satellites or even going all the way to Mars. The profitable or the money making part of the business as a Starlink communication satellite. And then you have Xai the artificial intelligence company as well as Twitter. There are sales but no profit. So this is something that I would sooner wait for. But the idea behind rocketry and space is always been very, very fascinating to me from the time I was little and I'm probably, probably one of many people of my age that watched on small TVs rocket launches school and we were particularly fascinated with the first rocket, the first Mercury launch going into space and I know I'll say my father worked for General Electric probably at that, at that time working on a plant that built re entry systems for rockets. Very interesting. That said a lot of profit taking going on amongst companies that have run up from Caterpillar which is leading the Dow on the down downside to many of the semiconductor names being sold off and in particular a lot of selling in the memory stocks that had gone parabolic. So this selling you know could continue through the rest of this week and maybe even early in connect with the Fed meeting the middle of next week. We did have a CPI report that came out today that was as expected but still on the high side due to higher energy costs. I don't think when the Fed meets next week other than talking to us and watching for more inflation, I don't think they're going to raise interest rates nor are they going to lower interest rates. They nimble and look to take advantage of this pullback.

[Chris Reavers]

Excellent advice as always Mr. MoneyTalk. You heard him jailers. Now is the time for you to pick up the phone and make the call for that free 48 minute financial consultation again with zero obligation. And you do that just like I did by dialing 952-925-5608 where you always get straight talk and never ever sugarcoated advice. Josh, as always, thank you so much for the time and the chat. Enjoy the rest of your day and we'll talk to you again tomor.

[Josh Arnold]

Look forward to it. Thanks Chris.

[John Haidt]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[Chris Reavers]

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[John Haidt]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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