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Summary

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Garage Logic – "The Traveling Lymans Live in Studio" (June 3, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this richly engaging episode, host Joe Soucheray welcomes Tom and Jessica Lyman—known as the "Traveling Lymans" from worldwidewaftage.com—into the Garage Logic studio. The Lymans, renowned for selling it all and living as full-time nomads for 14 years, recount details of their unconventional retirement, reflect on life lessons gained from global traveling, discuss minimalism, animal encounters in Africa, and address practicalities like taxes, health care, and maintaining a marriage on the road. The conversation is warm, witty, and imbued with the no-nonsense, commonsense tone that Garage Logic fans prize.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Lymans' Nomadic Lifestyle

• Returning Home (03:19–04:12)
  • The Lymans are temporarily back in Eden Prairie, MN, after dealing with a bout of pneumonia post-cruise.
  • Being home is not as odd as one might think—they’re used to spending about 90 days in each location.

"We usually stay one place for three months. So, not traveling right now isn't so weird." — Tom Lyman [04:19]

• Upcoming Plans (04:28–05:12)
  • They now plan trips only a year in advance post-COVID.
  • Leaving again for nine months in South Africa next week, returning to their beloved Marloth (Marloeth) Park in Mpumalanga.

"We're going back to South Africa next Tuesday." — Jessica Lyman [05:00]

Favorite Destinations & Bucket List Dreams

• Favorites & Wish Lists (05:25–06:31)
  • Jessica’s favorite: Marloth Park, South Africa. Tom’s: Penguin, Tasmania.
  • They're still aiming for places like Easter Island, Amazon and Nile river cruises, and the Pantanal in South America.

"I'd like to go to Easter Island... and a river cruise on the Amazon." — Tom Lyman [06:00]

Daily Life on the Road

• Living La Vida Nomad (06:31–09:12)
  • Nomadic since 2012—“Halloween will be 14 years.”
  • No permanent home, car, or storage; renting and staying in hotels easily.
  • Changed their state residency to Nevada for tax reasons.

"No car, no house, no apartment, no storage." — Jessica Lyman [08:46]

• Finances & Planning (09:02–10:09)
  • All logistics are self-managed with tight spreadsheet planning.
  • Their pension and careful research sustain the lifestyle.

The Africa Animal Experience

• Why South Africa? (10:09–13:15)
  • The Lymans rent a home in Marloth Park, right in the bush.
  • Wild animals—kudu, giraffe, zebra, warthogs—visit daily.

"We sit outside with them all day long... a 750-pound kudu could be right there." — Jessica Lyman [10:14]

• Feeding animals (hay, apples, pellets for antelope; poloni for mongoose) is part of the daily rhythm.
• Touching stories about animal intelligence and nature balance (e.g., giraffes and tree defense mechanisms).

"After a while, if giraffes eat too much off one tree, the tree gives off some foul tasting thing... Mother Nature is amazing." — Tom Lyman [12:55]

Animal Encounters, Past and Present

• Jessica's Childhood Dream (13:41–14:21)

  • Inspired by Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom: "As a kid, I said to myself: Someday, I’m going to Africa. I didn’t get there till I was 65, but it was a dream come true."

• Community in the Bush (14:21–16:00)

  • International neighbors in Marloth Park all share this "crazy animal passion."
  • It's a tight community of owners and regulars—not just transient tourists.

The Mechanics of Retirement Abroad

• Managing Stateside Affairs (18:39–20:40; 29:04–30:06)

  • No Minnesota taxes, accountant in Nevada, handle all documents online.
  • "As residents of Nevada, we have a mailing service... our tax accountant handles everything remotely." — Jessica Lyman [29:40]

• Minimalist Philosophy (42:06–43:33)

  • Shedding “stuff” was difficult, but now liberating. Most obstacles to this lifestyle (especially for women) are about letting go of possessions.

"We got over not having stuff in about a year. From there, the experiences are so phenomenal." — Jessica Lyman [42:33]

Health, Aging, and Adaptation

• Practical Health Issues (26:50–28:02; 41:47–42:06)
  • Dental care is affordable and high-quality in places like Fiji ($2/visit), South Africa ($26 for a cleaning).
  • Despite serious health issues (Jessica: cardiovascular; Tom: pulmonary fibrosis), they insist travel and happiness extend life.
  • Staying agile: "We're still not done with the world... we could do 10 more years." — Jessica [40:24, 42:34]

Navigating the World as Americans Abroad

• Media Consumption (28:00–28:58; 44:05–44:56)

  • Differing attitudes about American news: Tom is less of a "news junkie" now, while Jessica keeps very informed but avoids discussing politics online to not alienate readers.
  • Insights on media trust: "When you don't read the news as much, you see 98% of the world—people are happy." — Tom [28:02]

• Visa Bureaucracy (30:37–31:20)

  • Unable to get Chinese visas due to nomadic lifestyle, which led to canceling cruises touching China—not for politics, but for difficulty and ethical (animal) concerns.

The Cost and Accessibility of their Lifestyle

• Doing Nomadism on a Budget (32:53–33:56)
  • Not billionaires; live mainly on a railroad pension, don’t tap retirement savings.
  • Anyone could do it with planning and the will to downsize.

"The reason it’s hard for most people—it’s the stuff. Most often women don’t want to get rid of their stuff." — Jessica Lyman [33:56]

• Shedding Family Heirlooms (34:37–35:40)
  • Ornaments and holiday traditions all passed to kids (or thrown away); estate sales yield little but facilitate a clean break.

How It All Began

• A Spontaneous Decision (36:07–37:45)

  • The decision was prompted by a Sunday morning moment: Jessica asked, "Tom, you know you’re going to retire soon… Is this what you want?" “Maybe we should travel the world,” was Tom’s offhand response—Jessica ran with it.

• First Time Travelers (35:44–36:07)

  • Neither had been serious travelers before; both had previously settled lives and steady routines.

Memorable Stories

• Pig in the House (37:52–38:59)

  • Jessica’s dream was realized when a warthog (“Little”) wandered into their African home.
  • "I wrote a story on our blog called Pig in the Pond, Pig in the Parlor, Pig on The Porch."

• Setbacks and Glitches (50:27–53:29)

  • Missed a Seychelles cruise because an immigration document couldn’t be uploaded due to WiFi issues—lost luggage, lost money, but gain resilience.
  • Glamor can give way to frustration, but perseverance and positivity rule.

• Traveling with Friends—Bittersweet Goodbyes (53:54–56:30)

  • Hosted friends for a safari; one passed away peacefully after living his dream, with the community rallying to support them.

Relationship Reflections

• On Marriage (49:18–50:22)
  • 35 years together, all day every day; travel strengthens their bond.
  • Despite “glamorous” appearance, they’re candid about mishaps and mishaps forging closeness.

"We're together all the time, we're never apart." — Jessica Lyman [50:23]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Minimalism:

  • "You're married to the stuff. The thing is, it isn't about the lack of stuff... The experiences that we have are so phenomenal." — Jessica Lyman [42:33]

• On Happiness and Health:

  • "We have big-time things wrong with us, but we are so happy and enjoying our lives so much, we're going to live longer." — Jessica Lyman [41:52]

• On Wild Encounters:

  • "We had a pig in the house...his name was Little, but he was very big." — Jessica Lyman [38:10]

• On Adversity:

  • "Things happen. And part of our getting along so well is we just go, 'Okay, we learned something.'" — Jessica Lyman [52:59]

• On Living with Animals:

  • "They make eye contact with you...I name them, and they know their name." — Jessica Lyman [14:21]

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Major Timestamps

• 03:19 – The post-cruise recovery and being at home
• 04:57 – Upcoming trip: Africa, nine months
• 06:37 – 14 years on the road begins Halloween
• 09:02 – Tax planning and minimalist logistics
• 10:14 – The magic of Marloth Park, wild animals on the veranda
• 12:47 – Feeding wild animals and marveling at nature’s balance
• 13:46 – Jessica’s childhood vow fulfilled: “Someday I’ll go to Africa”
• 29:04 – Tax and mail: practicalities from Nevada residency
• 30:14 – “Worry-free” living in South Africa
• 32:53 – Pension-based, not billionaire, budget nomadism
• 35:44 – Pre-nomad travel history: “Very little”
• 36:07 – The spur-of-the-moment beginning: “Maybe we should travel the world”
• 37:52 – The “Pig in the Parlor” story
• 50:27 – Travel setbacks: missed flights, lost luggage, and learning flexibility
• 53:54 – A friend’s final safari: community and loss
• 49:18 – Marriage on the road: togetherness and honesty
• 42:33 – Minimalism, possessions, and happiness
• 41:52 – Living with illness, living fully
• 44:05–44:56 – News sources and deliberate neutrality online

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Additional Resources

• The Lymans’ Travel Blog: worldwidewaftage.com
• Contact for advice: The Lymans encourage emails and inquiries through their site for those interested in emulating their lifestyle.

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Overall Tone and Takeaway

This episode’s flavor is both aspirational and earthy—perfectly Garage Logic. The Lymans’ remarkable story is peppered with practical advice, humorous anecdotes, and candid insights into the finances, philosophy, and heart required to truly live on the road. For anyone entertaining dreams of globetrotting—or just seeking inspiration for minimalism, resilience, or personal reinvention—this is a must-listen episode.

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Visit worldwidewaftage.com for daily stories and travel wisdom from Tom and Jessica Lyman.

Transcript

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[Joe Soucheray]

And now, from the Mayor's office above the boathouse on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's Garage Logic, with Chris Reavers manning technology corner, Kenny Olson from the crabby coffee shop, John Height in the newsroom, and of course the rookie here is your Flashlight King, fireworks commissioner and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Joe Sush. Only because they come to us all the way from Eden Prairie, Minnesota, the traveling Lymans. Here's the sheet Tom Lyman sends me every day 365 days a year. Tom and Jessica Lyman are both with us. They are the traveling lymans worldwide waftage.com. are you antsy that you're not traveling? You're home now in Eden Prairie. Is that unusual? Does it feel weird? No, it's got to pull the mic right to you. Okay.

[Tom Lyman]

No, but we. We were on this cruise and we were. We got off early May and we got sick. And so we have only started to see some of the family in the last week because we ended up with pneumonia. And so the answer, don't tell him that.

[Kenny Olson]

Don't tell him that you're sick, because

[Joe Soucheray]

then are you way beyond.

[Jessica Lyman]

I've had it a month.

[Joe Soucheray]

You what?

[Jessica Lyman]

I've had it in a month.

[Joe Soucheray]

Are you done now?

[Tom Lyman]

Yes.

[Kenny Olson]

That's not helping.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wonderful. Well, that's a relief. I'm going to back my chair up.

[Tom Lyman]

No, no, no.

[Jessica Lyman]

We're not contagious.

[Chris Reavers]

You weren't on a cruise on that Henta virus or whatever it was called?

[Tom Lyman]

No, no.

[Jessica Lyman]

We were on the cruise when that happened, though.

[Tom Lyman]

Different ships.

[Kenny Olson]

Got it.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, I'll rephrase the question. Let's assume you weren't ill. Is it odd to not be traveling? You travel so much, so exotically. Is it odd to be at home?

[Tom Lyman]

No, because.

[Joe Soucheray]

Right. You gotta. This ain't the TV show here. You gotta get on that microphone.

[Tom Lyman]

No. Cause most times we rent a holiday or vacation home for 90 days, so we usually stay one place for three months.

[Joe Soucheray]

And then the obvious question. I know it's early with you, but do you have. Are there plans in the works for more travel?

[Jessica Lyman]

Absolutely.

[Joe Soucheray]

What? Tell us, Jessica.

[Jessica Lyman]

Well, we're thinking after Covid, we kind of changed our mind about how far out we booked, because who knows what's going to happen? So now we're just kind of booking out about a year at a time where we used to book out two years at a time.

[Joe Soucheray]

Really?

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah. So now we know where we're going to be the next nine months. We're going to be in Africa.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, you're going back to Africa?

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah, we're going back next Tuesday.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, really? As soon as Tuesday?

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

And you're going where in Africa?

[Jessica Lyman]

To South Africa. To Marlowe's Park.

[Joe Soucheray]

You're going back there?

[Jessica Lyman]

Oh, Pumalinga.

[Joe Soucheray]

Pumalanga.

[John Height]

Yeah.

[Jessica Lyman]

You remember that word? Mp?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes. Mp yeah. What's it? Pumalinga. Yeah. Oh, my word.

[Chris Reavers]

I recall the last time you guys visited, you said that's one of your favorite spots. Or is your favorite spot.

[Jessica Lyman]

It's my Favorite.

[Chris Reavers]

That's what I remember.

[Jessica Lyman]

He just left his favorite.

[Joe Soucheray]

What was your favorite?

[Tom Lyman]

Tom Penguin. Tasmania.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh. You were spending quite a bit of time in Tasmania, then you were in New Zealand.

[Tom Lyman]

Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

And then you got on the boat and then you worked your way back to Vancouver. You explained to me why the boat had to go to Vancouver first before you go to the U.S. exactly. Are there places where you have not been that you certainly intend to go?

[Tom Lyman]

Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

Where are they? For me, you got to get the microphone for me.

[Tom Lyman]

I like to go to Easter island, you know, which is off South America.

[Joe Soucheray]

South America.

[Tom Lyman]

I'd like to do a river cruise on Amazon, Upper and Lower, which would be two different cruises, was.

[Joe Soucheray]

Jessica, weigh in on this. Do you like this, too?

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[Tom Lyman]

And the Nile river cruise.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, boy.

[Tom Lyman]

And then in South Africa. South America.

[Jessica Lyman]

South America. I want to do the Pantanal. We've wanted to do that a long time. And that's a part. A tributary of the Amazon River. It is the most ecologically diverse spot on the planet.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know, it occurs to me that you travel. So how many years has this been going on now?

[Tom Lyman]

Halloween will be 14.

[Joe Soucheray]

Holly. So 12 years.

[Tom Lyman]

No, 14 years. 26.

[Joe Soucheray]

I thought you said 2014.

[Tom Lyman]

No, 14 years.

[Joe Soucheray]

14 years. It occurs to me that you're living normal life during that time. For example, you've had some health scares, Jessica.

[John Height]

You have.

[Joe Soucheray]

But it's been taken care of. But wherever you are in the world, you're going to be encountering normal daily life for two people, right?

[Tom Lyman]

Exactly.

[Jessica Lyman]

Especially as we age.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Jessica Lyman]

That's something we have to consider.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, you're both, what, in your 40s?

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah. Right.

[Tom Lyman]

We were homeowners for over 40 years. Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Tom Lyman]

I'm 73. Yep.

[Jessica Lyman]

I'm 78.

[Joe Soucheray]

You're. You.

[Kenny Olson]

You do not.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm a boy toy.

[Jessica Lyman]

I don't look like a boy toy.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Tom Lyman]

Cougar.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah. We're going back to South Africa again in a year and a half to celebrate my 80th birthday.

[Tom Lyman]

Oh, boy.

[John Height]

Hey, Tom, my wife is five years older than me, too. I know how you feel, buddy.

[Joe Soucheray]

What? How long will this stay be in Africa when you leave? Tuesday,

[Tom Lyman]

we figured nine months, but we can only do 90 days at a time. So we'll be in Marlow's park from June to September, and then what we plan, we haven't booked it yet, but leave there and go to Madagascar for like a week or 10 days and then come back to Marlow's park and get another 90 days.

[Joe Soucheray]

How has this changed Your life or how has this changed the way you might view life?

[Tom Lyman]

I'm more relaxed because like I said, I was a homeowner from 1972 until 2012. So 40 some odd years. Not have utilities, property tax, insurance on homes, cars, you know, and you talk about the fees, the license plates cost in Minnesota and all that. It's very relaxing.

[Joe Soucheray]

Do you own a car?

[Tom Lyman]

No, we rent a car.

[Jessica Lyman]

We have no car, no house, no apartment, no storage.

[Joe Soucheray]

Where are you staying now?

[Jessica Lyman]

It's Residence in by Marriott and Eden Prairie.

[Tom Lyman]

And it has a kitchenette, full size kitchen.

[Joe Soucheray]

Really?

[Jessica Lyman]

So three weeks, no big deal.

[Joe Soucheray]

Do you still pay Minnesota state taxes?

[Tom Lyman]

No, we changed residency to Nevada in 2012 and this was all thought out, wasn't it?

[Jessica Lyman]

Oh yeah.

[Tom Lyman]

But you know, you used to advertise Sioux Falls, you know, and so basically Nevada is one of the. No income tax you pay.

[Joe Soucheray]

Federal income tax. Yes.

[Tom Lyman]

Uncle Sam has a long reach.

[Kenny Olson]

Is this on advice of a financial planner or did you figure it out yourself?

[Jessica Lyman]

We figured it all out. We did a lot of research.

[Joe Soucheray]

I remember our first visit you told me about. These trips are extraordinarily well planned, aren't they? I mean, you have spreadsheets and the whole deal. You cut it right down to the. Who does that the most? Jessica or Tom?

[Jessica Lyman]

I might do the paperwork, but we do all the planning together.

[Joe Soucheray]

Now when did the planning begin for this trip? That begins Tuesday

[Jessica Lyman]

several months ago. Because we knew we wanted to go back to South Africa and we started talking about.

[Tom Lyman]

I just looked up, we booked the flight in March to return, you know.

[Joe Soucheray]

So why South Africa? What's appealing there to you? What is the overriding appeal there?

[Jessica Lyman]

When we stay there, we stay in a place called Marloweth park, which most of our readers know about and your listeners. And we live in a house in the bush. An actual single family home, a beautiful house. And it's in the bush. And the animals walk around the house, wild animals. They come right up to the veranda. As close as you are, they are to us. A 750 pound kudu could be standing right there. We don't get. We don't touch them, we don't hand feed them, but we can feed them pellets and carrots and apples and they're wild animals.

[Joe Soucheray]

What do you open the door and throw it out there and close the

[Tom Lyman]

door real quick on the veranda?

[Jessica Lyman]

No, we sit outside with them all day long.

[Joe Soucheray]

But there's a screen porch.

[Jessica Lyman]

No, no, no screen.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wait a minute, you're on a veranda?

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah, like this, you know, and it's open.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes, yes. What keeps the animals from eating you?

[Jessica Lyman]

They don't.

[Tom Lyman]

They don't.

[Jessica Lyman]

We're still here, right?

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah, but. And Kruger national park is like from here, the studio, to where Highway 280 is. To get there, you got to drive 20 minutes or 30 minutes to get to an entry point across the national park. So the Crocodile river separates Marlows park from Kruger National Park. And so there's animals because the warthogs burrow underneath the fence. And so predatory animals can enter from Kruger and you know.

[Joe Soucheray]

Right.

[Jessica Lyman]

So we get, we. Once a week we drive 15, 20 minutes and we go into Kruger national park because we buy a year long pass and we go into Kruger and then we can see elephants because there's no elephants that come up to our veranda.

[Joe Soucheray]

What does come up to your veranda?

[Jessica Lyman]

Giraffes. We'll get up in the morning and there's 12 giraffes in the backyard, but

[Tom Lyman]

there's about eight different antelopes. There's zebras, there's giraffes, there's wildebeests, there's warthogs, mongoose, there's snakes. But the mongoose keep the snakes at bay.

[Joe Soucheray]

Right?

[Jessica Lyman]

So we feed the mongoose a thing called poloni, which is a big roll of bologna. And I cut it up because they're carnivores, cut it up into little pieces. And then in the morning, as soon as we get up, we get our computers ready and we go outside and we sit on the veranda till we go to bed. We eat dinner out there and we're with the animals all day. But not only are we sitting there enjoying them, we're writing stories about them, we're studying them, we're watching their behavior and we're sharing that with all of our readers. Tomorrow I want to mention is our first 5000th post worldwide, waftage.com 5000th is tomorrow.

[Kenny Olson]

There's a specific menu for each, like what the giraffes eat and what the zebras eat.

[Jessica Lyman]

Or giraffes don't eat anything we provide too high up.

[Tom Lyman]

Nature is amazing. Giraffes, of course, are eaten high off the vegetation on the trees. We've learned this since going there. After a while, if they eat too much off one tree, the tree gives off some foul tasting thing to cause the giraffes to go to different trees, for those trees can keep reproducing.

[John Height]

Perfect.

[Tom Lyman]

So Mother Nature is amazing. Otherwise the giraffes Would just wipe out.

[Joe Soucheray]

When you started planning this in 2014, well, you probably 2012 were animals. An important part of your desire.

[Jessica Lyman]

Excuse me.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, game of flaws.

[Kenny Olson]

Here's your turn. It's your turn.

[Tom Lyman]

Okay, Kenny. She's touching.

[Joe Soucheray]

Jessica, explain to me the. The. The importance of animals in your travels.

[Jessica Lyman]

When I was a little girl, I used to sit this close to a very tiny television back in the 50s and watch a show called Mutual.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, I know.

[John Height]

Marlon Hamilton.

[Joe Soucheray]

Marlon Perkins. Perkins.

[Jessica Lyman]

And as a little kid watching that show, I said to myself, someday I'm gonna go to Africa. And I didn't get there Till I was 65 years old, but it was a dream come true. And to be in the presence of all these magnificent animals that make eye contact with you, they literally. You come to know them. I name them, and they know their name.

[Tom Lyman]

And the funny thing is, she says other people, they're from the Netherlands, so they're speaking Dutch, renting a house next door. The animals are being spoken to in multiple language or French. The animals are like kids on Halloween. They're going house to house to get fed,

[John Height]

know it well.

[Jessica Lyman]

And where we are, we don't see another house. We're in the bush. You don't see another house. But if you go in the car and drive a little ways, you see other houses. But the animals know they have a route that they go every day. And we'll buy a bale of hay lucerne, and we'll put that out, and they'll come and eat that. And then they stand there and look at us like, you got any pellets?

[Tom Lyman]

But what it was, the animals were there before they ever built homes there back in the 70s. So it's. You know, they start building homes there in the 70s, and. And the animals.

[Joe Soucheray]

But is that the point of this area, that people live in these houses precisely to interact with these animals?

[Tom Lyman]

Exactly.

[Joe Soucheray]

So the Dutch family's doing this down the road, and the German families over here, and a Japanese family. Okay, so this. This is an animal trip to Africa?

[Jessica Lyman]

Yes, it's an animal trip, all right. And people, because we have made so many friends there, people there are very friendly because we all have this crazy animal passion in common.

[Kenny Olson]

Locals or visitors? Both.

[Jessica Lyman]

Both.

[Joe Soucheray]

Both.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay.

[Jessica Lyman]

A lot of tourists because it's. It's a. They call it a holiday township, but it's actually like a little town of its own with all these animals that happen to be in it.

[Tom Lyman]

It's almost like going up north to the lake on the weekend. You know, people come from Joburg and Pretoria, you know, and stuff. And then people own homes and then they rent them out.

[Joe Soucheray]

And it must be a peaceful part of Africa. There's not in the middle of warfare.

[Jessica Lyman]

And for five hours, five hour drive to Johannesburg.

[John Height]

So that's where I stay there. That's where my question is, guys. I'm looking at Mpumalanga and I'm also looking at the Kruger National Park. So you guys have to cross over

[Joe Soucheray]

a river, the crocodile, Crocodile river, and

[John Height]

you go into something called Limpopo. Is that like crossing into Wisconsin or Iowa or is there a border process?

[Tom Lyman]

Well, there is, but we enter. Kenny went from Marlow's park, it's the south end of Kruger national park. And we enter a crocodile bridge gate. So we are still in South Africa. But what you mentioned, that's kind of a country within a country, you know.

[Jessica Lyman]

But we know where to go when we're in Kruger to find like because of so much poaching that rhinoceros are gone in certain areas. Oh. So we know where to go where there still are some rhinos.

[John Height]

Oh, cool.

[Jessica Lyman]

So we go there invariably every time. And we have what's called safari luck. We go on a safari, our self driving safari, and we see everything. It's unbelievable.

[Joe Soucheray]

Are you more, are you happier at sea or on land?

[Jessica Lyman]

I'm happier on land.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah, equal for me because I do enjoy cruising.

[John Height]

Well, speaking of that, how are you going to get over to Madagascar? Are you going to, is that a boat or an airplane?

[Tom Lyman]

A flight, you know, we haven't booked it yet, but a flight, yeah, we'll

[Jessica Lyman]

book it and go.

[John Height]

Okay.

[Jessica Lyman]

And we'll go on safaris there. At this point in all of our travels, including safari in India, we've been on almost 300 safaris.

[Kenny Olson]

Wow, that's amazing.

[Chris Reavers]

I know an easier way. I mean, there was a movie that came out a couple years ago where the animals got shipped in a cargo crate to add a gas car. It was really cheap and the penguins kind of took over.

[John Height]

So have you guys ever been down to Cape Town then?

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah, we were just there when we were on that cruise. We were at Cape Town. Yep. And friends of ours who live in South Africa flew to Cape Town and then picked us up that day on a port of call and then give us a tour of Cape Town.

[John Height]

What's the surf like down there?

[Jessica Lyman]

We don't, we didn't go to the beach there. We don't do a lot of big cities.

[Tom Lyman]

They do have great whites around Cape Town, you know.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wow. Let me. Let me take a time out and there's some questions I want to ask you about if you're paying attention to what's happening in the United States. And you're lucky if you're not. You don't smoke cigars, do you?

[Tom Lyman]

No.

[Joe Soucheray]

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[Joe Soucheray]

We're with Tom and Jessica Lyman only because they come to us all the way from the traveling Lyman's fame. Go back and get some things straight. There is no home really. Minnesota itself is a home base, but you own nothing here. So when you come back, it's to see family.

[Tom Lyman]

Right.

[Joe Soucheray]

And to you just rent a place.

[Tom Lyman]

Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[Jessica Lyman]

A hotel.

[Joe Soucheray]

When was the last time you were in Minnesota prior to this current visit?

[Tom Lyman]

A year ago for the same place.

[Joe Soucheray]

Is that when you were in here?

[Jessica Lyman]

We try to come every year to.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay, where did you go on this last excursion? From last year at this point to right now, where have you been?

[Tom Lyman]

We left Minnesota last year because our granddaughter's graduation. The last three years in a row we've been here in late May and June for a grandchild's graduation from high school.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[Tom Lyman]

So anyways, we left here last year and we returned to Marlows park for 90 days from June until September of last year.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yep.

[Tom Lyman]

Then we flew to Barcelona and we spent six weeks in Barcelona, Spain, waiting to get on that 47 night cruise from Barcelona to Brisbane.

[Joe Soucheray]

All right, keep going.

[Tom Lyman]

And then from Brisbane, we arrived in Brisbane in December and we flew to New Zealand and we spent 60 days in Auckland, north of Auckland in New Zealand.

[Jessica Lyman]

Hiwoka.

[Tom Lyman]

Kaiwaka.

[Joe Soucheray]

Kaiwaka. I had to pronounce that.

[Tom Lyman]

Yes. And then in February we flew to Tasmania and we spent 60 days in Penguin. Tasmania, My favorite place in the world.

[Joe Soucheray]

Was it.

[Tom Lyman]

And then in April we flew back to Brisbane and got on the same ship. We got off in December and then we did the 25 day cruise back to Seattle.

[Joe Soucheray]

Tell me about Tasmania.

[John Height]

Yeah. Why is it your favorite?

[Tom Lyman]

We went there and 10 years ago, 2016, and we spent six weeks in Penguin and six weeks in the Yuan Valley. And it's just fabulous and the people are welcoming. We love penguin. And then the second six weeks ten years ago, we went to the Yuon Valley. The house we rented, the people owners lived right next door in the house. They had a greenhouse. They told Jesco pictures, whatever vegetables are grown in a greenhouse. It was on a river. They had a cabin cruiser, maybe a 40 footer and they said, help pay for the petrol. They went down the river and we went ocean fishing for flatheads. And I mean, you become friends with the neighbors when you stay for 60 days, 90 days. Not the neighbors, the owners.

[Jessica Lyman]

Owners of the houses. But we also get invited to parties when we got to Kaiwaka in New Zealand, and the day after we got there, they had a party with all their friends and invited us because they wanted us to meet their friends, their neighbors. And then they invited us for dinner, Christmas Day and New Year's Eve. And so it's just amazing. You don't get that in a big city.

[Joe Soucheray]

What if you need to go to the dentist?

[Jessica Lyman]

We go to a dentist.

[Joe Soucheray]

Usually go to a dentist. That's a good answer.

[Tom Lyman]

And over the years.

[Kenny Olson]

To the point.

[Tom Lyman]

Over the years, we've gone to dentists, mostly in South Africa, but one time I had an abscess and we were in Fiji. And this is quite a few years ago, 2014, 2015. And he only charged $2 and something, a quarter.

[Joe Soucheray]

A witch doctor or something?

[Jessica Lyman]

No, regular dentist.

[Tom Lyman]

He was trained in India. And we told him we're not citizens of Fiji. And he said that. And he wrote the prescriptions. We walked across the parking lot to the hospital, get the pharmacy, and the prescriptions were free. And I told them again, we're not citizens of Fiji. And they said, that's.

[Joe Soucheray]

Don't worry about it.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, but I'll get my teeth fixed.

[Tom Lyman]

When we're in South Africa, we go to the dentist, get our teeth clean, and the dentist actually does it rather than the assistant hygienist. And what does it cost?

[Jessica Lyman]

$26.

[Joe Soucheray]

I didn't know I'd learned so much with a dental question. It's amazing. How much time do you spend following the news in the United States?

[Jessica Lyman]

A lot.

[Tom Lyman]

Well, not as much as I used to. I used to be a news junkie before I left. I'd read the morning paper, the evening paper, watch news. When I became less of a. I was scared to go to Africa when she wanted to go back. And, you know, before we'd even left Minnesota, I tried to talk her out of it because they sell bad news. The world's a scary place when you watch the news. When you don't read the news as much or 24 hours a day, people, 98% of the world, people are happy. Like you always say, further away from tall buildings.

[Jessica Lyman]

I'm a news junkie every day. I know everything that's going on everywhere in the world, as much as I can read. And you learn after a While when you don't live in the US you learn what news sources you're gonna get reliable information from. So we searched those out. But we know everything that's going on in Minnesota.

[Joe Soucheray]

Are you glad, now that you know everything that's going on in Minnesota, are you glad you haven't been here?

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah.

[Tom Lyman]

Except for missing family and friends, of course. Right. But it's the taxes. You know, a benefit that I didn't plan on was, you know, for 30 some odd years I had a 401k working on the railroad tax deductible, Minnesota tax, federal tax. Now last year, 2025, I had to start drawing the minimum withdrawal. And so I had to pay federal tax. No Minnesota tax on Minnesota. I was able to deduct it for 30 some odd years while we lived here, but now I'm not paying Minnesota tax.

[Jessica Lyman]

As residents of Nevada, we have an accountant in Nevada. And when our tax forms start coming in, we scan them and send them to him. We have a mailing service in Nevada that gets the forms in the mail, the 1099s, they scan them and they send them to us, and we send them to the accountant and then he does our taxes online and we pay the bill online and we're done.

[Joe Soucheray]

But when you're on that veranda in Marleth park, it has to be. It must be worry free.

[Jessica Lyman]

It is. It's worry free.

[Joe Soucheray]

I can't think of a way, I can't think of a way to distance oneself from the travails of the country than to do what you guys do, which is to just keep moving, moving around the world.

[Tom Lyman]

Right.

[Joe Soucheray]

And you've done the whole world, right?

[Jessica Lyman]

We've done a lot. We've been to all seven continents. We have some countries we haven't gone to. We actually recently canceled four cruises because we. Because we weren't in a country where we could apply for a Chinese visa.

[Tom Lyman]

Mainland China.

[Jessica Lyman]

Mainland China. We had to cancel the cruise. It was impossible for us to go through the process because we couldn't go to a Chinese embassy.

[John Height]

Oh, interesting.

[Tom Lyman]

And if we were in our home country, Nevada is our home state. We were required to go to San Francisco to their consulate, present our US Passports to get them approved.

[Joe Soucheray]

Is China somewhere you wanted to go?

[Tom Lyman]

It was on these cruises.

[Joe Soucheray]

There was.

[Jessica Lyman]

I didn't want to go. Oh, I don't want to go.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[Jessica Lyman]

I didn't care about going to China. All right, that is one. When you look at our. On our website, we have a map of the world and there's Little dots of every place we've been. And when you look at the map, China is sitting there by itself. We just haven't done China.

[Kenny Olson]

But you've seen everything. Why would you exclude. I mean, China. I mean political or just because.

[Jessica Lyman]

No, for me, there's a couple of reasons. One, and I don't want to get political.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, you don't have to.

[Jessica Lyman]

He would love it. But I. For himself. But I don't. I don't talk politics because we have so many readers on our.

[Tom Lyman]

But hers is the way they treat animals.

[Jessica Lyman]

The way they treat animals really, really bothers me. We don't go to zoos. We don't go where.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm anti zoo, by the way.

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah, I've heard you say that and appreciate that.

[Kenny Olson]

I don't treat people well either.

[Joe Soucheray]

Sometimes I'm anti people.

[Jessica Lyman]

I understand that, but. But we don't.

[Tom Lyman]

But you kind of, you know. So where was I about that? China.

[Jessica Lyman]

Oh, China. So one time I saw a video of how they treat dogs and it. And I've always been a dog. It was horrifying.

[Joe Soucheray]

Do you watch TV

[Jessica Lyman]

shows? We stream. We don't watch regular tv.

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah, we stream shows on the laptop and then we HDMI cord to the, you know, the big TV cast.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know, I think it's important for listeners to understand something. You're who. What?

[Chris Reavers]

I was just getting your attention. Sorry. Whenever you were done to do what Kenny was trying to.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, go ahead, Kenny.

[John Height]

Yeah, I'm kind of curious now what you were going to ask.

[Joe Soucheray]

You're not billionaires.

[Tom Lyman]

No.

[Joe Soucheray]

This could be done by other people. Could do what you're doing. You looked at a finite pile of money. You correct me if I'm wrong, but you looked at your ret retirement savings. You looked at a finite pile of money and you make it work to do this. Am I on the right track?

[Jessica Lyman]

In part.

[Tom Lyman]

In part because like the 401 that I put away for 30, we only touched it once in the last 14 years when she had the open heart surgery and the insurance would pay the bill. We had to take that to pay the bill ourselves. But now, just last year, the first time I start taking minimum rmd, you

[Jessica Lyman]

have to take money out.

[Tom Lyman]

I'm kind of working on the railroad,

[Jessica Lyman]

but we're not answering.

[Tom Lyman]

My monthly railroad pension has covered our monthly expenses.

[Jessica Lyman]

So we don't have to touch any of our retirement.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, no, my point would be that what you do could be done by many people if they have the desire.

[Jessica Lyman]

The reason most often it's women that don't want to do it because they don't want to get rid of their stuff. That's what we encounter when we meet people along the way.

[Tom Lyman]

Or guys. Like, we were on this 47 day cruise and several different guys were talking to, they were interested, but they said, I got too many toys.

[Joe Soucheray]

You have no cylinder index, do you?

[John Height]

Yeah. Okay. I was thinking about you guys yesterday when I saw all the boxes of Christmas garbage we have in the basement. And some of those Christmas ornaments go back generations. What do I do with that when it's time for me to flee the coop?

[Jessica Lyman]

We gave all of our Christmas and

[Tom Lyman]

we had Christmas, Easter, every Halloween.

[Jessica Lyman]

Every Halloween. People always said if you looked up Martha Stewart in the dictionary, you'd see a picture of me. I was a fanatic with stuff.

[Joe Soucheray]

You had stuff.

[Jessica Lyman]

I had stuff and everything color coordinated,

[Tom Lyman]

everything matched, but to the holiday stuff.

[Jessica Lyman]

But back to Christmas, we had boxes and boxes of boxes. We gave it all to our kids.

[Joe Soucheray]

Kids,

[Tom Lyman]

you know what their Easter baskets were?

[Jessica Lyman]

Grandkids we gave and.

[John Height]

Okay, I have to tell you something. Half the my dad gives me, I throw away.

[Matt]

Right?

[Tom Lyman]

And we, our kids didn't want our stuff and my son took them.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know what? You made it their problem.

[Tom Lyman]

And then we had an estate sale back in 2012. And so you get little or nothing and they charge 30% commission.

[Jessica Lyman]

Of course, we had an estate sale comparable to one you do if your parent died and somebody came in and

[Kenny Olson]

took care of everything, Opened the cupboards.

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah, open the cupboards and drawers, took out what we wanted to give to our kids and we left the house and they came and took everything out.

[Joe Soucheray]

Prior to the first trip, had you traveled before?

[Jessica Lyman]

Very little.

[Tom Lyman]

Very little.

[Joe Soucheray]

Had you left the country?

[Jessica Lyman]

Very little.

[Tom Lyman]

She had previous before we were together. We both been married before, you know, and I had never been to Hawaii where she had been to Hawaii, you know, stuff like that.

[Jessica Lyman]

So it was now we weren't big travelers. We never discussed traveling. We never discussed retiring and traveling the world.

[Tom Lyman]

Well, we lived on a lake home in Chanhassen. So, you know, we didn't have to drive up north to a cabin because we had, we were content.

[Jessica Lyman]

And it was only in the first week in January 2012. And we might have told this story last time that Tom was sitting in the chair in the family room on a Sunday morning watching Sunday morning show, flicking the channels, coffee cup, newspaper, Star Tribune reading. And I always said when Tom read the newspaper, he even read the page numbers. I'm telling you, this guy read every Single word on there, read the paper. And I looked at him in January 2012, and I said, tim, you know you're going to retire on October 31, 2012. Is this what you're thinking about doing the rest of your life? And he looked at me and said,

[Tom Lyman]

I turned down the corner of the paper and I smarted off and I said, maybe, yeah, maybe we should travel the world. She left the room and I was happy, you know, now she's already. I gave her permission, and I didn't know it.

[Joe Soucheray]

That was permission.

[Tom Lyman]

And then the next week, I'm going to work. She's already retired. Next Sunday, I'm same position. I'm reading the paper, TV on, coffee. And she comes in and said, put the paper down. Turn the TV off. I turned the corner, I said, what? Put the paper down. And I did. She's got spreadsheets.

[Joe Soucheray]

She's been.

[Jessica Lyman]

I've already started booking things. So that was January 2012. But the funniest thing was she had the fun factor. I showed him a photo,

[Tom Lyman]

she showed me of a warthog in a house. And she says, I don't. And the warthog standing there, and there's a fireplace there.

[Jessica Lyman]

Stand in front of the fireplace.

[Tom Lyman]

And she says, I don't know where this place is, but I want to go there. And I'm thinking, I don't want to go anyplace to let a pig in the house.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, that's what I'm thinking.

[Tom Lyman]

And it turns out Marlow's park, and

[Jessica Lyman]

we had a pig in the house.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, you did?

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah, we had one day the pig came in the house.

[Joe Soucheray]

Not permanently, no, no.

[Jessica Lyman]

Just came in, walked in the door. We were just getting our laptops fired up to go on the veranda. And there stands this pig. His name was Little, but he was very big, and he had little tiny tusks. And he stands there and he walks in the house and he's looking at us. And so he walked over to the bag of pellets and of course, wanted to get in there, so I scooted him out. So then he went out on the veranda. There was a porch, and he would go out on there, and I fed him some pellets. And then later in the day, it was a very hot day. It was probably 100, 408. It's very hot there. And then he's laying in the water hole where the animals drink. He's laying in there. So I wrote a story on our blog called Pig in the Pond, Pig in the Parlor, Pig on The porch. And that was kind of like one of my dreams come true to have that intimate of a relationship with the pain.

[Joe Soucheray]

What are the thunderstorms like there? Are they different than a Minnesota?

[Tom Lyman]

It rains very hard. Very seldom does it ever just have a. Which you would want the light sprinkled to help the vegetation. It's downpours. And, you know, where we stay, it sloped down towards the Crocodile River. So mostly as dirt roads. There are some tar roads, but then the dirt roads all get rutted, you know, and you need. You gotta be careful, you know, travel when you're there.

[Joe Soucheray]

Do you have a rental car?

[Tom Lyman]

Yes.

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah. The whole time we have a rental car. And a rental car we get for about 500amonth. Compared to in the US it's about 3,000amonth.

[John Height]

Yeah. Wow.

[Kenny Olson]

Every time you cross the Crocodile river, is it like James Bond, where you're running on the back so the crocodiles are snapping up?

[Jessica Lyman]

You're not allowed to get out of the car.

[John Height]

I'm seeing a bridge made out of bamboo, though. My mental picture.

[Jessica Lyman]

No, it's a nice bridge.

[Kenny Olson]

Murky water, Crocodile river murky.

[Jessica Lyman]

Or is it no swimming, no boats allowed.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[Tom Lyman]

Have you guys crocodiles?

[Kenny Olson]

That would keep me out.

[John Height]

Have you ever thought about doing this in the United States? Kind of a no nomad life. Hitting every single state, every single park.

[Tom Lyman]

We figured, you know, Jess is pushing 80, I'm pushing 75. And, you know, always say we get older, the world will shrink and we won't travel quite as far, you know,

[Jessica Lyman]

but we're still not done with the world.

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah, no, but you're both.

[Joe Soucheray]

I mean, your heart deal worked out for you. You're in good shape. And you're in good shape.

[Tom Lyman]

I'm on no medications.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, you got. You got a lot of travel left.

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah, we could do 10 more years.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, God.

[Kenny Olson]

What haven't you hit in Europe? Cause you seem to be going around everywhere.

[Jessica Lyman]

We did a lot of Europe, but after it all boiled down to the fact that after you see so many churches, so many historic buildings, so many castles, castles, we've seen all that. So after that, why. And we don't like big cities.

[Tom Lyman]

And Europe is quite expensive. So is the US as an example, in South Africa, we kind of go back to. I say to lick our wounds. Because I used to smoke Marlboro reds, and they're 15, $20 a pack.

[Joe Soucheray]

Hardback.

[Tom Lyman]

Yes, exactly. So I always look at what the price of McDonald's or cigarettes cost in foreign country when we left there in September. Last year, Marlboro Reds just legally purchased in the store were $4 a pack.

[John Height]

Could you send me about 80 cartons?

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah, exactly.

[John Height]

I want to start again.

[Joe Soucheray]

You don't smoke.

[Tom Lyman]

No, I quit two years ago.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's recently Is two years ago.

[Tom Lyman]

Well, because there was chemicals from the railroad. Because I was always on the train, the caboose or locomotive. And so I've inhaled a lot of it.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, you don't need a cigarette.

[Jessica Lyman]

But the bottom line is, what do

[Tom Lyman]

I have in my lungs?

[Jessica Lyman]

He has pulmonary fibrosis.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, boy.

[Jessica Lyman]

And that's a very serious lung condition.

[Joe Soucheray]

But you take no pills.

[Jessica Lyman]

But he takes no drugs and he's doing great. I have cardiovascular disease. We have big time, big time things wrong with us, but we are so happy and enjoying our lives so much, we're going to live longer.

[Joe Soucheray]

Boy, there's some. You're onto something there. There's gotta be a great deal to be said for not owning stuff. Was that a part of that? Yeah.

[Tom Lyman]

We didn't know.

[Joe Soucheray]

Everybody in the world wants to be a minimalist and none of us are.

[Tom Lyman]

I never wanted to be a minimalist. I always wanted stuff and toys and that. But once you get.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, but once you get the stuff, then you want to be a minimalist.

[Jessica Lyman]

You're married to the stuff. The thing is, it isn't about the lack of stuff. We got over that in about a year. Took us about a year to adjust to the reality we don't have stuff. Fine. Goodbye. But from there, the experiences that we have are so phenomenal. We've been to Antarctica and sat in the a 10 person Zodiac boat drinking French champagne while killer whales are jumping next to us.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's badass.

[Jessica Lyman]

I mean that. It's unbelievable. We saw icebergs that were 50 stories high. We're right in front of you.

[Tom Lyman]

Can't get too close with the Zodiac boats in case they calve. It could be like a small tsunami.

[Joe Soucheray]

No kidding. Yeah.

[Jessica Lyman]

We have been to places we only dreamed about. He always tells the story. When he was a kid.

[Tom Lyman]

Oh, we didn't even have it. My uncle had the View Master. View Master? No, black ones. Black and white. And my siblings and I used. We'd go to my uncle's, we'd fight over and I never thought Victoria Falls made it there. The Taj Mahal. And it's not that we have a bucket list, we just don't. But as you see something, I hope David Attenborough's 100 years old. I hope the guy never dies because we watch his shows. And he gives us an idea.

[Chris Reavers]

I was in Albert Lee.

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah, I've been to the Apple River Cod Ball.

[Chris Reavers]

Yes, exactly.

[John Height]

Hey, I have a question before we cut you loose. Jessica, you said something struck a chord with me. What are your news sources? Give me your top three global news sources.

[Jessica Lyman]

Oh, okay. Oh, I don't want to say because. Because it would. I do not discuss with anyone other than him my political.

[John Height]

Okay. So I thought it would be.

[Jessica Lyman]

If I tell you what those are, then that would be okay.

[John Height]

I thought it would be like the BBC or, you know, when we go

[Tom Lyman]

to a foreign country or on a cruise ship, they'll have the different BBCs. And it's interesting watching that. But then after a while, it's repeated just like anything else. And then you say, well, I heard this story and I heard that story,

[Jessica Lyman]

and a lot of it we don't believe, but a lot of it we don't believe.

[Tom Lyman]

She don't want to say about sex, politics or religion because our readers, we

[Jessica Lyman]

have so many readers.

[Tom Lyman]

And it would be just like anything else. You'd alienate 45 or 50% of us.

[Jessica Lyman]

We don't want to lose half our readers because we may have a view that's different than other people.

[John Height]

My grandpa gave me that advice. Sex, politics, and religion. And here I am talking about it every single day of my life. Every day. Thanks, Joe.

[Joe Soucheray]

Before you go, before you go, let's review this story of how it started that you started sending me this day in history. What motivated that? Because I had never met you. No, you were a listener, I take it.

[Tom Lyman]

Yes. Back to the pod radio days and Monday sports.

[Kenny Olson]

Monday night sports talk.

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah. And rookie was just a youngster, but anyways, I would still be in news and history and stuff. And it was this day in Minnesota would come up and at first I'd send you an item if it was something about, say, Hubbard, you know, when they went on the air or things like that individual. But then in 2020, when we were stuck for 10 months in that hotel in Mumbai.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's right.

[Tom Lyman]

You know, I start sending it every day. And then you start reading it because you. When you. All the way from Mumbai coast, and that's how it kind of.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay, don't leave yet. I got to ask you something else. But first I have to do this and tell you that while you're here, I want you to get out there to ecofund both and Jessica and drive electric bikes around town. They've got electric bikes now on sale starting at $899. There's 300 in stock. Kalyn Blume is the electric bike savant of the United States. There's no reason to leave there without the correct fit, the correct tires, the correct height seat, you name it. 120 motorcycles on display, Kawasaki, Aprilia, Yamaha Moto Guzzi and all the youth recreational equipment and water equipment scooters at,

[Jessica Lyman]

I

[Joe Soucheray]

mean, you can do 80, 90 miles on a gallon of gas right now on one of those scooters. It's fantastic. Kawasaki has just reduced prices on the mule side by side just in time for work around the home garden or up at the lake this summer. This will be the most fun store you'll ever enter. It's EcoFun Motorsports on Highway 97, just west of the Interstate 35, up near Forest Lake Columbus right there, Highway 97. And down in Burnsville on the service road of life near County Road 42. And a really, really fun website at ecofunmotorsports.com.

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[Joe Soucheray]

You cannot stop him. He'll just make a move.

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[Joe Soucheray]

Check. Joe, you're on the road now 12 years.

[Matt]

14.

[Joe Soucheray]

14, 14. You don't have stuff. Is your marriage different than a typical marriage?

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah, we met in a bar in 91 out in Bloomington.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's a good start.

[Tom Lyman]

And you know, huh. And you know every stone wing just south for 494 and Highway 100.

[Joe Soucheray]

Tom, you got to use a microphone. Don't talk to him.

[Tom Lyman]

Anyways, when we met, you know, everybody puts on their happy face or good first impression thing. And when I met her, I thought she's such a phony. I'm just going to stick around long enough to the other shoe drops. And so far it's been 35 years

[Joe Soucheray]

and the other shoe hasn't

[Tom Lyman]

gone through.

[Joe Soucheray]

She's hanging on to you as we talk.

[Tom Lyman]

I need adult supervision.

[Chris Reavers]

A chaperone.

[Joe Soucheray]

A chaperone.

[Tom Lyman]

I like to say one day. Thank. Well, maybe you want to say something about the marriage. I don't know.

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah, I would.

[Tom Lyman]

Okay. No, we get along well, I can tell.

[Joe Soucheray]

Very evident.

[Jessica Lyman]

I mean we're together all the time, we're never apart.

[Tom Lyman]

And we. Everything we talked about, kind of. It's glamorous, but things happen. Let me tell you a quick story. A couple years ago we were in South Africa. 90 days was up. We booked. We were going to fly from South Africa to the Seychelles, get on a small ship and do the number of islands in the Seychelles. We get to the airport in South Africa and the travel people who booked us, we had checked but they didn't inform us as Seychelles require some kind of a border thing.

[Jessica Lyman]

When you get to the airport you

[Tom Lyman]

fill out a form, airlines wants it. And we weren't the only one. There was about five other couples. And so now we're all online trying to. To get this done. One couple got it accomplished, the rest of us did it. And the airline wouldn't let us on the plane to go. We had to be out of South Africa in 26 hours otherwise we would exceeded our 90 day. So we booked a flight. Yeah, they call it a non desirable. So we had to book a flight and we said come back to Minnesota. Now this is November. Our luggage stayed on that flight and went to the Seychelles. We came back, we get to the airport the next day to leave South Africa?

[Joe Soucheray]

No, in Africa.

[Tom Lyman]

And they say international flight. How come you don't have luggage? And we said the airline lost it. Okay. We get to Minneapolis. We go to customs and they says, international flight, red flags. Where's your luggage? We said, ethiopian Airlines lost it. Okay. So, you know, you went from looking like a drug dealer to, oh, the airline's lost your luggage.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, you are a red flag.

[Tom Lyman]

But we had no clothes other than what we were. And it's November, and so we had to run the target, buy clothes and warm clothes, and, you know, things happen.

[Jessica Lyman]

You know, things happen. Was. It turned out that Seychelles situation, we never. We weren't able to get the form completed at the airport like you're required to do. Like, we didn't know anything about this form. We had investigated, like, we always investigate. And they said, you'll fill it out at the airport. We get to the airport, and because we were in South Africa and the power outages all day time, the WI fi wasn't working well enough for us to upload the form, and we ended up losing the flight, losing the cost of the Seychelles cruise. That was very expensive, and we were out thousands of dollars. Now the reality is it sounds all glamorous and wonderful, but things happen. Things happen. And we just. And part of our getting along so well is we just go, okay, we learned something.

[Tom Lyman]

And that was November when the luggage got lost. And then the airline said they don't know where it is. And after Minnesota, we returned to South Africa, and then we get a notice. And they returned her one luggage on New Year's Day, and mine came. I think it was the middle of February. And I'm trying to peel those sticky things off, trying to see where the baggage went, but I couldn't peel them. Our baggage probably went around the world. But you did get your stuff back months later.

[Jessica Lyman]

Months later.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Have you ever thought about going on Amazing Race? Seriously?

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, hell, no.

[Tom Lyman]

No.

[Kenny Olson]

You're going to say hell to us at all, really. You'd be great candidates with your worldly travels.

[Jessica Lyman]

We don't like stress.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[Jessica Lyman]

That's a very stressful.

[Kenny Olson]

Speaking of.

[Tom Lyman]

We like watching those shows.

[Kenny Olson]

Next time he comes in, he's a railroad guy. He's been in the caboose of a moving train, which.

[John Height]

Yeah, I can't stop thinking about that crap.

[Kenny Olson]

I. That's why.

[Tom Lyman]

What.

[Kenny Olson]

I don't care where you go in the world.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's what you want.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah. On a moving train is the coolest thing I've ever heard.

[John Height]

It's been my dream.

[Kenny Olson]

Yes.

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, you know, it's overrated when you. When you work for the railroad.

[Joe Soucheray]

Huh?

[Jessica Lyman]

It.

[Tom Lyman]

It's just a Job, you know, it's a paycheck. I. I met a lot of fabulous guys. 42 and a half years, employees. I'm still friends with friends and get in contact with them and stuff. Here's another thing that happened. Friends of ours from Minnesota, after their 50th wedding anniversary, they lived on Lake Minnetonka. They came to South Africa to visit us. And Jeff had some kind of illness.

[Jessica Lyman]

He had, like, als.

[John Height]

Yeah.

[Tom Lyman]

And he was saying, but he always wanted to go to Africa and see animals.

[Jessica Lyman]

He was in a wheelchair.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[Kenny Olson]

Electric wheelchair.

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah, yeah. And the place we rented, the owners put a ramp in for they could come get up. And we went to Kruger, and him and I watched the Viking game. You know, he stayed with us. It was September or whatever year, two years ago, three years ago. And then the next morning, Connie, his wife, came over. She had coffee with us, and then she went back to check on Jeff. And then she come and said, I think Jeff has passed away.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, my God.

[Tom Lyman]

And he's same age as me. So it was two years ago. He was 70 or 71. And I used to have medical training. I went over and I checked as a quad. He was still warm, but he had passed away. And there was no breathing and stuff. So then we had to go to a US citizen dying in a foreign country.

[Jessica Lyman]

And what we did, the first thing we did was contact our closest friends in South Africa, the landlords that rent us these houses in the bush. And I called Louise right away, and

[Tom Lyman]

she said, it's never happened before.

[Jessica Lyman]

Never happened to them in any of the rental. The holiday homes. Within minutes, there were 20 cars in the driveway.

[Tom Lyman]

Paramedics.

[Jessica Lyman]

Paramedics. The honorary rangers came. The people in charge of the animals came. And they all took us in a big circle and were hugging and crying and kissing all of us. It was beautiful.

[Tom Lyman]

But they investigated to make sure there was no foul play. Blah, blah, blah.

[Jessica Lyman]

So it turned out that he got to live his dream.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, he went out on top.

[Jessica Lyman]

We took him to Kruger, and he saw elephants crossing the road. You know, 50 elephants crossing the road. It's something someone that loves wildlife would only dream of experiencing. That he got to do that, and we got to share that with him.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wonderful.

[Jessica Lyman]

He was a wonderful, wonderful.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, we feel like. I feel like GLers have gotten to know you.

[Jessica Lyman]

Yeah, I think so.

[Joe Soucheray]

And we get more out of this day in history than we should. But you know, why now? It's part of the deal. It's part of the deal. We have to get it. And it's only because they come to us all the way from God knows where. You are, right? Yeah. Tom Lyman and Jessica Lyman. Best travels in the future and we'll always be in touch. All right, thank you so much.

[Jessica Lyman]

Thank you for having us.

[Joe Soucheray]

Thank you so much.

[Jessica Lyman]

Thank you so much.

[Joe Soucheray]

Here's a man who spends hours in hardware stores sifting through the nuts and bolts of life. Joe Sucere.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, man. What happened to my Masters Maples button? I gotta get that fixed.

[John Height]

Hey.

[Tom Lyman]

Hi.

[Chris Reavers]

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[Josh Arnold]

Life.

[Chris Reavers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

John Height.

[Josh Arnold]

Thank you, Joe. I was looking while they were talking. Talking at their website, Worldwide waftage. Yeah, mongooses are cute.

[Joe Soucheray]

Are they a bird?

[John Height]

No, they're a mongoose.

[Josh Arnold]

They're like a. An animal.

[Chris Reavers]

Joe, remember the Snoop Dogg narration? Look at them.

[Joe Soucheray]

Mongooses, okay? They're. They're an animal.

[Chris Reavers]

Snoop Dogg doing an Animal Planet was pretty good.

[John Height]

You should do Animal Planet.

[Joe Soucheray]

What animals is these?

[Chris Reavers]

What is these things?

[Josh Arnold]

What is these animals? There was. They had a picture from their veranda where they had thrown out some of the Poloni. She was talking about the baloney. There must have been 20 of them out there.

[Tom Lyman]

And.

[Josh Arnold]

And then they had a couple pictures up close. Just cute little guys. I don't think they're mean. Obviously. They were very close.

[Joe Soucheray]

Wow. Is that cool?

[Josh Arnold]

Anyway. Anyway. This news is brought to you by North American Banking company. No serious injuries reported yesterday after a school bus crashed into a building on Hamlin University's campus in St. Paul. St. Paul Police Department spokeswoman Nikki Muehl said about a dozen kids were on board the bus when it crashed after just two in the afternoon. Three children and the bus driver driven to nearby hospitals with minor injuries. Muellhausen said the bus was transporting kids from Higher Ground Academy, a charter school in St. Paul. Bystander video submitted to our buddies down in five Eyewitness News showed the tire tracks leading more than 100ft through the lawn up to where the bus collided into a stone wall on the north side of the Robins Science center near Snelling and Hewitt Avenue. News video also captured an interaction with a man appearing to explain to police that the brakes went out prior to the crash, According to Department of public safety records. 6 of 7 PTB services buses that's what the bus belonged to. Pride Transportation Bus Services that had been inspected from January through April failed inspection.

[Kenny Olson]

Oh they did. I thought it was just a ploy.

[Joe Soucheray]

I thought it was just a bad driver.

[John Height]

Yes, I thought it was a medical wow.

[Joe Soucheray]

Medical or bad driver?

[Josh Arnold]

The bus company's lawyer told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS the bus involved in the crash had passed its annual inspection though, but didn't share when that inspection took place. Also the driver involved in the crash newly hired employee who had a clean driving record. Adding before being hired, the driver passed a background check through the Minnesota bca, a drug screening and a driving record review. The driver had also completed several months of training, including both classroom style instruction and behind the wheel. Real experience. The accident still under investigation.

[John Height]

Don't they have emergency brakes, a big handle you can grab?

[Joe Soucheray]

It's a good question. Would there be such a thing for a vehicle that big?

[Kenny Olson]

Now you might learn that in the

[Josh Arnold]

months of training the the lawyer now this is not what was on the Channel 5 video that they had. But the lawyer said the driver told investigators he hit the accelerator instead of of the brake pedal.

[Tom Lyman]

Oh so missed.

[Josh Arnold]

What was that excuse?

[Joe Soucheray]

That's bad training.

[John Height]

What was the footwear? What was the driver wearing?

[Joe Soucheray]

We don't know.

[Kenny Olson]

Sandals, flip flops, loafers or Frankenstein shoes.

[Josh Arnold]

A suspected wrong way driver facing vehicular homicide charges after prosecutors say she repeatedly crossed into oncoming traffic in northern Minnesota before colliding with the car and killing the driver. Investigators say 43 year old Shawna Dawkin was swerving a red pickup truck on the wrong side of highway before hitting an SUV on May 29th. The crash killing 82 year old Barbara Wahlberg of Baudet. According to the complaint, Dokken offered conflicting stories to officers, initially blaming her dog for grabbing the steering wheel or reaching for a treat. Investigators also say that a witness reported seeing the pickup truck veer into oncoming traffic and nearly cause other collisions. Dokin had slurred and slow speech at the scene despite testing negative for alcohol, court documents show. Docket admitted to taking several prescription medications that day. Court records show Dawkin was on probation at the time for driving under the influence of drugs. Blood sample has been sent to the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension for analysis.

[Kenny Olson]

I think if there's a death involved, you should just come clean and not try to bring on any excuses.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah from the Star Tribune A story about the Star Tribune they will cut its workforce by 15% through buyouts and layoffs, according to executives. Chief Executive Steve Grove signaled a potential new ownership structure for the news organization, which is currently fully owned by Minnesota billionaire Glenn Taylor. Grove said this is a day that's really challenging, but I'm optimistic about our future. The media company faces the same business model, he said, for challenges the rest of the industry as readers increasingly turn to social media and other non traditional information sources. Sources advertisers followed, fueling a mass exodus of advertising dollars and declining revenue. Grove cited the cuts as necessary to adapt to today's digital media landscape. The Star Tribune employs about 495 people. The cuts will be made across every department. The newsroom has just under 200 journalists that will decline to about 175, he said, while remaining one of the largest between the coasts. Just last year, 125 employees were laid off when the cut company, citing printing cost savings, closed its downtown Minneapolis printing plant, outsourcing the work to Des Moines. In an interview last night after the letter was released, Jeff Day, a reporter and co chair of the Star Tribune's guild, said the union, which represents most of the newsroom, would be looking for ways to fight that decision.

[Joe Soucheray]

Hey Grove, you work for Walls. Why don't you just open a few autism centers?

[John Height]

Will they allow readers to pick the reporters are going to be fired? No, I have a few suggestions.

[Chris Reavers]

That's 75 people, by the way. Just did the math.

[Joe Soucheray]

And that leads with how many?

[Chris Reavers]

Well, John said 495, right? Is that what you said?

[Josh Arnold]

495 total?

[Chris Reavers]

Yep.

[Joe Soucheray]

Good Lord, that's still big. Do you predict by today's standards? I think we have about three biggest

[Josh Arnold]

between the east and west coast.

[Kenny Olson]

According to do you predict in your history, with your history that there will be a St. Paul Pioneer Press Minnesota Star Tribune merger and at least they'll try to put one.

[Joe Soucheray]

Not in the foreseeable future. I think they'll both remain separate entities.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay.

[Josh Arnold]

You know, I moved here in 1988 and since day one, we've heard about a large parcel of land in Arden Hills that would be developed, Right?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

The old ammunition Camel place.

[Josh Arnold]

Now we have new news about it.

[Joe Soucheray]

All right.

[Josh Arnold]

Still hasn't happened, of course. It's been developed. The new plan officials are looking to stitch together the efforts of several developers across the parcel. The shift in approach comes about a year after talks between the original developer and public officials who are overseeing the property imploded. That developer, Allotis has since sued and the local officials who represent Ramsey county and Arden Hills as a joint development authority started working on a new plan to make Progress on the 427 acre site. The site is about 20 minutes from downtown Minneapolis and St. Paul. It's where the US army once manufactured ammunition. Also known as Rice Creek Commons, it's one of the biggest undeveloped pieces of land in the Twin Cities. Details of a multiple developer approach would need to be finalized. But moving that way, members of the development authority said could give them more oversight and help build some momentum. Mary Jo McGuire is a development authority member and Ramsey county commissioner and said she supports it. She said, we want this development to be beneficial for obviously everyone concerned. Ramsey county owns most of the former land while Arden Hills has the power to zone it. And for years their representatives argued over housing density and affordability, resulting in that lawsuit and breakdown of discussions.

[Joe Soucheray]

Among the other plans was that was going to be the site of the Viking State.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, that's what I was going to ask. When Johnny answered my question, I thought the Will family owned that.

[John Height]

No, no, guys, guys, guys. It's where we're going to put fraud land land. Oh, and much like Disney World, we're

[Chris Reavers]

gonna have amusement park.

[John Height]

We're gonna have a feeding our future land, Autism land, housing stability land and child care land.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[John Height]

Wow. Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

What's admission for that kid?

[Josh Arnold]

It's free.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's free for everybody.

[John Height]

Unless you're white.

[Chris Reavers]

Then, yeah, I'll pay up.

[Kenny Olson]

Sucker.

[Josh Arnold]

Long time. Arden Hills mayor David Grant dies. He's not sure this new idea, well, has any chance to go. He said he doubts the authority can manage multiple developers after failing deliver with a deliver to deliver with just one developer. He said now their approach is to have multiple developers. Yesterday, the state fair announced their last grandstand act.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, my God.

[Josh Arnold]

It's. It's actually a superstar in the gospel world, CC Winans. Will be playing an early come concert as part of her More Than this World tour on Labor Day, Monday, September 7th. And this is really an early concert. It's at 3pm Winans.

[Chris Reavers]

Everyone eats dinner before that.

[Josh Arnold]

Winans is an award winning gospel singer who's won 33 Grammy awards. This show completes the grandstand lineup for the Minnesota State Fair. Were you going to be there every day?

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Josh Arnold]

Weekends too.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, we're not, John.

[Josh Arnold]

Oh, okay.

[Tom Lyman]

Just checking.

[Josh Arnold]

Just wanted to in national and international news, Kuwait briefly shut its main airport today after Iranian drones.

[Joe Soucheray]

I meant to ask the Lymans about the Middle East. I don't think they've done that. Maybe they have. Tom and Jessica will. Tom will write me an email about that.

[Kenny Olson]

I think they try to stay away from war torn.

[Josh Arnold]

As I was perusing their website, I did not see any Middle east references. Lots of European and African, but not right. Anyway, anyway, Kuwait briefly shot its main airport after Iranian drones heavily damaged a passenger terminal building, killed one person and wounded dozens. It's the latest in the back and forth attacks by Tehran and Washington that are testing the ceasefire. The strike again brought home the risks to residents and travelers in Gulf countries that had considered themselves relative havens before the war. Now in its fourth month, talks have dragged on for weeks as mediators seek a more enduring truce in the US Israeli war with Iran. Now that's further strained by Israel's broadening war with the Iranian backed Hezbollah in Lebanon. Meanwhile, speaking of Israel, President Donald Trump did acknowledge yesterday we talked about this, criticizing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as crazy in a phone call that involved expletives saying he was, quote, a little bit perturbed that Israel's fighting with Hezbollah militants in Lebanon was holding back peace talks with Iran. But even as the US President conceded the tensions in an interview released today, he ins his relationship with Netanyahu is solid and they are both connected in part because they are quote, both wartime leaders. It is now official there will be no payout for January 6th rioters or anyone else. But the probes of the Trump family tax payments will still be scrapped. The Trump administration is ending plans for that $1.8 billion fund that would have compensated allies of the Republican president that according to the Justice Department's top official yesterday, Acting Attorney General Todd Blanch, they will never move forward. When asked if that meant ever, he replied correct. The blunt declaration marked an extraordinary and rare Trump administration turnaround in the face of mounting political opposition, most of it from his own party. As part of the same deal to resolve The Trump tax lawsuit. The IRS agreed to drop any pending probes of Trump over whether he's paid his fair share of taxes. Pressed over whether that was also whether it was also abandoning that part of the deal, Blanche said no, nothing has changed. Whether with that said, the administration is only backing away from plans to create the $1.8 billion fund.

[Joe Soucheray]

I hope I'm correct, but I believe I've read that the deal struck. It's still an obscene deal. He struck a deal with the IRS that what he's gotten away with so far in life can't be examined. But I think going forward, they're still susceptible to interrogation by the irs. In other words, two years from now, if the IRS feels the need, they can look at the tax situation.

[Chris Reavers]

But isn't it also. Once he leaves office?

[Kenny Olson]

Correct.

[Joe Soucheray]

I thought this agreement was only. They can't do anything he's already gotten away with up till now.

[Josh Arnold]

Okay.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm not sure.

[Josh Arnold]

In fact, I thought it was the opposite.

[Joe Soucheray]

But I hope I'm right.

[Tom Lyman]

I hope I'm.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah, I hope I'm wrong. There you go. The closely watched primaries in California Governor and Los Angeles mayor too close to call early this morning. Morning as half a dozen states held key contests set to shape the November midterms. Former Fox News host Steve Hilton and former Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra were leading the race to replace California Governor Gavin Newsom with 62% of the vote in as of 7:30 this morning. However, the vote is expected to skew more Democratic as more votes are counted. Hilton is a Republican and Becerra a Democrat and they say it could take days or even weeks for a final call on which two candidates will admit advance to November's general election. Meanwhile, Louisiana Mayor Karen Bass has been projected to make it into the November election. We'll either face former reality TV star Spencer Pratt, a Republican, or Los Angeles City Councilman Nithya Raman, a Democrat.

[Chris Reavers]

Apropos yesterday, we had a massive trade in the NFL world. Joe, I found this interesting. So Myles Garrett got traded from the Browns to the LA Rams. Highest paid non quarterback football.

[Tom Lyman]

All right.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay.

[Chris Reavers]

The difference in taxes that he's going to Pay is about $3 million on just his bonus that they delayed because of the difference in taxes in California and Ohio. I found that unbelievable. It's 13.3% in California. It's 3.125% in Ohio.

[Joe Soucheray]

I would have rejected the. Did Garrett have the ability to reject the trade?

[Chris Reavers]

He actually accepted it because the Rams are a better team, but I just found that interesting.

[Josh Arnold]

The complete 2025 data is in. The message is clear and doesn't appear to be good. International visitors stayed away from the US in the first real year over year decline since the COVID 19 pandemic and the drop in visitors larger than during the global recession of 2008. This time it wasn't a pandemic or a collapse of the market. It was apparently human air. International travel travelers citing presidential rhetoric, policies manifesting in high public wars, both figurative and literal, as some of the reasons for staying away. Four million fewer foreign visitors came to the US in 2025 compared to 2024, financial analysts say. Total spending decreasing by more than $8 billion. Perceptions aside, there are other practical barriers to visiting too. According to the financial experts, hesitation around the proposed $250 visa integrity fee, war induced spikes in jet fuel prices, and the defunding of Brand usa, the only American organization that markets US tourism to international audiences. Archaeologists excavating the forecourt of Notre Dame Cathedral have uncovered artifacts dating back about 2000 years to Roman era Paris. The dig is part of a city project to redesign the plaza in front of the cathedral after that 2019 fire. Roughly 20 centuries of history are layered within about 13ft beneath the site. Work on the cathedral began in 1163. The site was surrounded by tightly packed medieval homes and narrow lanes. Many of the discoveries come from the Lutetia, the ancient settlement that later became Paris. Finds include a 4th century coin bearing the image of Constantine, Roman emperor who ruled in the early 3002, and a fragment of medieval pottery bearing symbols that researchers haven't yet been able to identify. City plans to add 160 trees, improve walkways and expand shaded areas to better handle millions of visitors while preserving views of the cathedral's facade.

[Joe Soucheray]

John, What Are you up Andover way?

[Josh Arnold]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Soucheray]

That seems pretty young compared to that, doesn't it?

[Josh Arnold]

Andovers very young consideration. You know, there's some people say we don't have a downtown area.

[Joe Soucheray]

That's me. I say that that is you. Yes, I agree.

[Kenny Olson]

Is it a town or a concept?

[Joe Soucheray]

It's a concept.

[Josh Arnold]

It's.

[Tom Lyman]

It's a. It's a.

[Josh Arnold]

It's a nice town.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm not saying it's not nice. I'm just saying it's amazing how young the United States is.

[Josh Arnold]

Yes, very much.

[Chris Reavers]

250 years old.

[John Height]

Well, white people in the United States. Yeah. Anyway.

[Tom Lyman]

Yeah. You know.

[Joe Soucheray]

Okay, Kenny.

[John Height]

Well, I mean, read a history book once.

[Joe Soucheray]

I can't kill you. If it has pictures, I. I can do it.

[Chris Reavers]

You know, I hate to bring this up, and I don't want anyone to get mad at me, but yesterday you were mentioning that the giant event scheduled for the 250th anniversary on the White House lawn, a listener pointed out. I don't know if you saw this email. What are the naming rights going to be for that UFC fight?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, Well, I don't know.

[Josh Arnold]

I have one more note about that since Chris brought it up. President Trump yesterday compared the structure being built on the South Lawn of the White House for the UFC sea fight.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Josh Arnold]

To the Eiffel Tower in Paris. He thinks. He thinks it could have a similar fate. Speaking in a Tick Tock video, the President said the Eiffel Tower, you know, is only supposed to be a temporary. Temporary structure set up for the 1889 Paris Exposition. He said it was supposed to be taken down immediately after the World's Fair. Well, they never took it down.

[Kenny Olson]

Chop her down.

[Josh Arnold]

The facility currently under construction in front of the White House is also supposed to. Supposed to be temporary, but the President said in his Tick Tock video that it might stick around for a very long time.

[John Height]

John, did he address those remarks directly to Joe Sushiray?

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, close circuit.

[Josh Arnold]

The structure is supposed to.

[Joe Soucheray]

Nothing to say.

[John Height]

Well, that's no fun.

[Joe Soucheray]

Come on.

[Josh Arnold]

The structure is supposed to have a UFC octagon in the middle and seats around it for a fight on June 14, which also happens to be be President Trump's 80th birthday.

[John Height]

Come on, you can say it.

[Joe Soucheray]

Come on.

[John Height]

Come on.

[Tom Lyman]

No, no.

[Josh Arnold]

Trump says fun today. Joe, we're building something in front of the White House that's quite attractive.

[John Height]

No, it's not attractive.

[Matt]

Okay, here we go.

[Joe Soucheray]

All right, Here we go. You know, all you need out there, like I said, is a. A stove that's rusting out and a Chevy up on blocks. That's all you need.

[John Height]

Well, he could borrow some of mine.

[Josh Arnold]

Maybe it's gonna have the big UFC fight on June 14th. Continued. And I'm looking at it. Maybe we'll never, ever take it down.

[Tom Lyman]

Yep.

[Chris Reavers]

President's been.

[Josh Arnold]

President's been making over much of the White House and its grounds. He's added gold embellishments to the Oval Office and elsewhere. He paved over the Rose Garden, turned it into a club, reminiscent of the one at his Mar A Lago resort in Florida. And most controversially, of course, he's knocked down the entire East Wing to build a giant ballroom. And Trump initially said Americans wouldn't pay a penny for the ballroom.

[Joe Soucheray]

However, that Wasn't that turned out not to be true.

[Josh Arnold]

However, Republicans in Congress have asked as much as $1 billion for the facility.

[Joe Soucheray]

And the saps who bought the Trump watch, there's no. They forgot the P or the T in Trump so it doesn't even spell his name right.

[Chris Reavers]

Trump.

[Kenny Olson]

Trump. Hey, is that like a leering center?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[John Height]

Was the Space Needle supposed to come down? Because that was part of a.

[Chris Reavers]

The Olympics. No.

[John Height]

What was that part of the world fair in Seattle.

[Joe Soucheray]

I wish I could answer you, but I can't.

[John Height]

Yeah, I can't find any information.

[Chris Reavers]

You know, you mentioned the, the rusted stove and the Chevy on the blocks. Now you're picturing like garage sale, right? A big giant sign.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, the, the next president, he's going to call the networks and say get your cameras here at 4 o' clock and there'll be a mass dumpster party where he's taking all that gold crap out of there and throwing everything must go.

[John Height]

Isn't that normally kind of what happens anyway? Every president a dumpster party, but makes it their.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, no, no president. Kenny, don't be naive. No, no president has done this. No oppressor has done.

[John Height]

You can't. So you're not comparing this to Nixon's two lane bowling alley in the basement?

[Joe Soucheray]

Did Nixon install that or was it there?

[John Height]

No, he installed it. But I believe it is now. The press rule.

[Joe Soucheray]

Something like that. The public had never had to be. Never had to see that Dick just went down there in his short sleeve shirt and bowled a few.

[John Height]

No, I see him in dark socks and underpants and those, those garter things that keep your socks up. Yeah, and bowling shoes.

[Joe Soucheray]

He talked to a few portraits on the wall and say watch this. Need to throw another one.

[Chris Reavers]

I like that though. This is our Eiffel Tower, you know,

[Joe Soucheray]

that's the way to look at it. It's a beautiful octagon, a fighting ring. It's just like the Eiffel Tower.

[John Height]

Could you turn the. The cage into maybe a press room where you put the press during briefings?

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, that's not bad.

[Josh Arnold]

The bowling lanes have a history. I did not know this of course before Nixon.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, I thought they preceded.

[Josh Arnold]

The first alley was originally built in 1947 as a birthday gift for President Harry S. Truman.

[John Height]

Why did I think it was Nick's?

[Josh Arnold]

Because he used the first White House bowling alley was in the West Wing basement. Then Eisenhower relocated the lanes to the old Executive Office building which is now the Eisenhower building.

[Kenny Olson]

And back then he used to be. That fool is building A bowling alley in the west wing.

[John Height]

I'm glad you looked this up.

[Josh Arnold]

And then Richard Nixon and first lady Pat Nixon like to bowl. They had a new private single lane alley built directly under the north Portico in 1973. Now both, both are still functional, by the way.

[John Height]

Oh, was bowling for them, was that kind of a euphemism? Hey,

[Joe Soucheray]

no, they just went bold.

[John Height]

Do a little bowling.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, they just went bowling. Grab the gin.

[Kenny Olson]

Let's go a little moonlight bowling.

[John Height]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Josh Arnold]

That took a nice gunner pack,

[Joe Soucheray]

John. Thank you.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah, I was going to say, why don't we just pass her along to the old mayor here and see what he's. What he could.

[Joe Soucheray]

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[Kenny Olson]

Here's a guy

[Chris Reavers]

that forgot to hit a liner.

[Kenny Olson]

Joe Sushere. There's a guy that's very worldly.

[Chris Reavers]

Fighting the demagogues of diversity.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's Joe Sugiray.

[Kenny Olson]

You know when you're hanging out in the afternoon and you hear that knock at the door and somebody comes to the front door and says, you know, I think you may have some hail damage. I think you may need some new siding. It's really nice that they care about you, but do they really? If they're just running down the street looking for problems, they're probably not the most sincere. Well, Walker roofing does not do that and if you have a problem with your roof or you think there's a problem, they will come out as you request and they'll look at your roof, tell you how old it is if it needs work. Siding yes, this is for commercial and for residential and they've been doing this helping out with worry proof buildings and homes since 1938. That's over 85 plus years and there's three generations of the Walker family that help you out. 27 emergency services yes, they will come out if needed, but they're not going to come door to door and that says a lot about about them. Commercial roofing, residential roofing, siding, repair the storm damage or if it's shingle roofs that you need for your commercial business, they can do all that. 651-251-0910 they do it all and they've been celebrating 50 years as a Better Business Bureau member and they've been recognized by the bbb. So do yourself a favor. Remember when your roof comes up, Walker Roofing is the only name. They're [e-mail] and they sponsor Garagelogic, so you should patronize our advertisers. 651-251-0910 Walkerroofing.com Many rays of hope in one email Many rays of hope in one here's today's Ray of hope.

[Joe Soucheray]

Last week I needed to find a tailor to adjust the size of a jacket my 12 year old son needed for an upcoming military home event. Not having gone to a tailor in many years, I did a quick web search and found one near me. Mike's Tailoring. I called Mike and told him what we needed. Mike told me that because of the garment's unique military needs, he needed us to come to his shop to see if he could fix it. Through his moderately thick accent, Mike said he would not promise to fix anything if he couldn't do it the right way. His reputation of 45 years as a tailor would not allow him to do inferior work. My son and I drove to see Mike right away. As we ambled through the door of a shop, we saw him behind the counter and greeted him. He was perky and in fantastic physical shape. After we shook hands, I asked him where he was from. Mike told me he was 84 years old and from all places grease. Mike proceeded to have my son put the jacket on after after reviewing the fit for a few minutes with his Greek accent, he told us, Your son is 12 years old. The sleeves are a little long, but we can fix Those. The length is just right. The jacket is a little big in the body. I can't tailor that. But if your son wants the jacket to fit right, he needs to drink more beer. We all laugh. My son looked at me, nodded his head and winked at me. And Mike, Mike the Greek winked back. Not often you get so many rays of hope in one serendipitous story. Kelly wing crossed Junction virgin. Wow, that reminds me. Did we talk about Sam Ciannis on the air, the proprietor of the Billy Goat Tavern in Chicago? I don't think we. He died. Everybody thinks the Billy Goat Tavern was made famous by the Belushi and the gang and Saturday Night Live. Cheeseburger. Cheeseburger bit. It was made famous by Mike Royko, the columnist in Chicago.

[Chris Reavers]

I believe you and Patrick did talk about it back in the radio days when the Cubs won the World Series.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, I think this came up, I bet, in the bill Goat. Overrated.

[Tom Lyman]

Sorry?

[Joe Soucheray]

I mean, it's a great story.

[Kenny Olson]

You went with expectation.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, no, it's a great story and it was a great haunt for newspaper guys like. Like Royco. But I don't like places beneath the ground. It's kind of under the reason why. Yeah, I don't like it. That made me. That made me uncover.

[Kenny Olson]

You go down.

[Joe Soucheray]

I can't remember, but you go down to get a.

[John Height]

What about the food? I was all right.

[Joe Soucheray]

I had a bird. Wait a minute.

[Chris Reavers]

Wait a minute. So what you're describing. Joe doesn't like basements.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, it's not that. It was under a dam. It was under the L, isn't it, Kenny? It's right under a train.

[Kenny Olson]

I've never been there.

[John Height]

I've never been there.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, I thought Kenny was there among your Chicago visits. I thought you would go to the Billy Goat. Anyway, we lost Mike Sianas. He was the.

[John Height]

We did a lot of blues bars.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, he was the Greek, proprietor of the Billy Goat Tavern.

[John Height]

What's that? Pizza joint in Chicago too.

[Joe Soucheray]

Pardon?

[John Height]

There's a pizza joint in Chicago that was very famous.

[Joe Soucheray]

Uno deep dish.

[John Height]

Was Pizza Uno or something like that?

[Matt]

I don't remember.

[Kenny Olson]

Domino's.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah. And I have a note from Rick in Stillwater who wants a ruling. When does a kid you have become a kid you used to have. I've got two kids graduating from Automata High School Friday and they. They will both be heading off to college in the fall. Another kid is off at school and she works summer, so she doesn't come home anymore except to visit. Another kid is at school, but he's home for the summer. I've been listening to the show since the radio days, and maybe I missed it, but I don't know that we have a clear definition of when a kid you have becomes a kid you used to have. Is it when the child moves out for college, starts paying his or her or her own cell phone, paying all their bills, gets the first real job, first apartment or house? What say you? I think the general rule of thumb is when they move out for college, they're the kidneys.

[Kenny Olson]

I don't know that you.

[Joe Soucheray]

Because they're done with you at that point. I don't know. But by the time they move out to college, they're done with you if it has. Not in your case, no.

[John Height]

But there's not a GL ruling, Matthew. I mean, it's been a Joe thing, but not a GL thing.

[Kenny Olson]

Right. That hasn't been officially addressed. But if it has to do with paying for your cell phone. I still have all four of my children.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, I. Well, you're a SAP.

[Tom Lyman]

That.

[John Height]

That might be my case, too, Matt. I have siblings that are 30 years

[Tom Lyman]

old, and I will be 30 years

[Joe Soucheray]

old before I get off that. Sheesh.

[John Height]

I have begged my son to move back in. I said, I got an extra house. You don't even have to pay me rent. He turns me down.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[John Height]

He won't do.

[Kenny Olson]

What does that say about you?

[John Height]

Yeah, that's what. Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

For me, it started calling on that when they moved out for college. So that. That's my ruling, Rick. So you're. You're close to having quite a few kids there that you used to have.

[Kenny Olson]

Gotcha.

[Joe Soucheray]

Only because they.

[John Height]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. We've got a banger lined up today for Crabby.

[Tom Lyman]

All right.

[Joe Soucheray]

Crabby Coffee shop coming.

[John Height]

Yeah, we're actually going to continue on with the Minneapolis police because we've learned a lot in the week since. Since it all went down with o' Hara last week, we are having retired Minneapolis Police Department Deputy Chief Greg Hestness on the air. Jay talked to a lot of current and former Minneapolis police officers. They all want to come on, but they're scared to. Which tells you something right there. Retaliation. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

I just saw a picture of Mr. And Mrs. O' Hara on Alpha.

[John Height]

I'm hoping we can address that, too.

[Joe Soucheray]

I don't think. I think she stayed out east while he had his tenure here.

[John Height]

I believe so.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah. Only because they come to us all the way from Eden Prairie, the temporary home of the traveling Lymans.

[Chris Reavers]

It came to you from right here in the studio when he sent you that email.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, that's true, but it's the one

[Chris Reavers]

time we can actually claim that.

[Joe Soucheray]

But it's only way from. It's all the way from here. Only now because they leave Tuesday again. Back to Africa on this day.

[Chris Reavers]

Joe.

[Joe Soucheray]

Today is June 3rd in 1836. Chris. All the way back to 1836. Charles Nathaniel Hugh Hewitt was born in Vermont. He led the state legislature to create the State Board of Health in 1872, making Minnesota the third state to do so. Dr. Hewitt died in 1910.

[John Height]

Can you guys imagine me with an animal that walks right into my house?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes. Yes, I can.

[John Height]

I don't know that that would play somewhere.

[Joe Soucheray]

I know a guy who had a pet pig,

[Kenny Olson]

let it in the house like a warthog.

[Joe Soucheray]

It was a pet. On this day, June 3, in 1839, 47 soldiers at Fort Snelling were confined at the guard house for violating orders about visiting the saloon of Henry Mink near modern Fort Road and munster Avenue in St. Paul. Exactly right down where you enter the freeway there.

[Kenny Olson]

Munster.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

On this day, M U N S

[Joe Soucheray]

T E R June 3, 1859, logs driven by floodwaters knocked down the second and third bridges built over the Mississippi river in Minneapolis. The first, the Father Lewis Hennepin suspension bridge, remained standing or remained standing.

[John Height]

Were they saw logs?

[Joe Soucheray]

Probably. I don't know. It doesn't go into the wood effect here. On this day, June 3, in 1916, 49 miners on the Mesabi Iron Range walked off the job at the start of a massive strike coordinated by the ethnically diverse rank and file. With help from experienced organizers from the Industrial Workers of the World. Scab workers undermined the strike and the strikers conceded defeat after three and a half months. However, by December, Oliver Iron Mining Company, a subsidiary of US Steel, compromised with pay raises and other small reforms. The company maintained its anti union stance until 1943. On this day, June 3rd, on this day in 1990. Oh, we do. Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev spent a few hours in the Twin Cities. Cities. I was there. I saw him.

[Kenny Olson]

That's when he went on Grand Avenue.

[Joe Soucheray]

Summit Avenue.

[Kenny Olson]

I thought Summit Avenue.

[Tom Lyman]

Maybe it was Grand. Whatever.

[Kenny Olson]

No, because I think he visited the governor's residence.

[Chris Reavers]

Kenny, don't yell at me when I'm not done. By two.

[Joe Soucheray]

On this day, June 3rd, in 1999, Duluth's Ed Homer, or Homer, was the first double amputee to reach the top of Mount McKinley. That's 20,320ft high. He had Lost both his legs to frostbite after a PL plane crash on that same mountain in 1981. On this day in sports disappointment history.

[John Height]

You gonna tell us how or are you just gonna let us tell you how?

[Joe Soucheray]

What?

[John Height]

He didn't have any legs. How'd he get up there?

[Joe Soucheray]

Hey, you can do it. You can get there. On this day, June 3rd in 1947, Ben, this is sports disappointment history. Yes, on this day in 1947, Ben Berger bought the Detroit Gems and Sid Hartman was the one who delivered the wow. On this day, June 3rd in 1982, the Twins got a day off after that 14 game losing streak. On this day, June 3rd in 1984, Bill Mahoney was hired by the North Stars. I don't remember him. I don't remember the significance of that. Thank you so much, G. Ellers. And thank you for that in studio visit by the traveling lineman.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, and you can Visit them at worldwide waftage.com as Joe mentions every day. You can also follow us along on all of our social media channels, Facebook, Instagram and X. And you can watch the show each and every single day starting right around noon. If you subscribe to the Garage Logic YouTube channel where you can join the nearly 21,000 subscribers that we have. Just search GarageLogic, that's two words on YouTube and follow us along. And you know what, sign up for the Daily Logician. That's an email that comes right to your inbox each and every single day. And yeah, find out more and sign up today [e-mail] thanks, Chris. Thank you, Matt. It is time once again that we check in with our guy, Mr. Money Talk. Josh Arnold is with us once again right here in Garage Logic. And now is the time for you to do the same. So do not delay, do exactly what I did and pick up that phone and dial 952-925-5608. That number once again is 952-925-5608. When you call that number, you're going to get Josh and he is there for you for that free, Yes, I use the word free, 48 minute financial consultation with absolutely zero obligation. And he will always give you the straight talk. He will never give you the sugar coated advice. And he is on the line with us once again right here in garagelogic. Josh, a question for you because you and I have had conversations over the years and I've always wondered what would you give advice to? Whether it's a first time investor, a long term investor, what are some of the general principles that you try to apply in terms of investing.

[Matt]

The easiest answer, Chris Growth will out. Growth will out. Invest for growth. Most people would say, josh, if you buy growth, aren't you paying up growing companies? Well, you might be. And then again you might not be because the next question is, well, isn't buying value oriented companies, companies with the lowest price to earnings multiples, the lowest price to sit sales multiple, isn't that better strategy than going just for growth? Well, the idea is that growth will out. And that has been proven to me and proven to other investors time and time again over long periods of time. Growth will out. Now there are a lot of companies that will say in their infancy or whether and there, there's just an idea out there that those companies that are involved in the fastest growing industry and there become more and more of them tend to skyrocket very quickly in value. And then it is found over a period of time that they're not earning money, that their sales aren't growing, their sales aren't growing. Something has stalled out. And these stocks which have been, we'll say, rocket ships, crater and fall to earth and the winners sometimes out of that group are those that have had the staying power and really do have growth, do have an idea, do have products or services that are in demand and they start eventually moving ahead. There of course are those companies, companies that are very steady growers that have again products and services that people want, people need at some point. Yes, these companies do have a mature industry or mature in terms of their growth and the growth slows. These companies then pay out dividends at a higher rate or end up buying back shares, another form of, of paying investors for them. If I look at an old, and I say an old growth company like Coca Cola, which I have talked about for many years, a very slow old growth company, it doesn't grow at 10 or 12 or 20% but it's a very steady mid single digits grower. And they do grow their dividend every, every year and they do buy back some shares and they have a product or actually several products that people can't be without, water for one and say milk, juice, coffee, tea, Coca Cola as an example, sells over 200 products in over 200 countries, industries around, around the world. Very, very steady company. Is it going to go to the moon? No. Is it going to provide a level of safety? Oh yes, and it's going to provide a very nice dividend yield that's going to grow over time. I'll say one of the best investors long Term Warren Buffett has included Coca Cola in his portfolio Berkshire Hathaway for decades at the price that he originally bought what it and added to the shares yet have gone up. But what has increased even more is the dividend. The dividends that are paid out and the dividends that are paid out relative to his cost basis give Berkshire Hathaway and more important Buffett a dividend yield we'll say in excess of 15% but again that's over a long period of time and Coke is just an old stade company. On the other hand, a company that started growing fast, faded, came up with new products, saw the growth accelerate and then would fade, then come back back with newer products and now just is I'll say is one of the largest companies in the world and they provide a product and service that people really can't be without. That is Apple. Apple now has 2.4 billion iOS users and at least one and a half billion iPhone users. And of course if I look that most people are going to be replacing their phone every four to five years and when they replace the phone they're going to need more memory, need more storage and they'll probably get more services from app is no longer growing at 20 or 25%, growing at a single digit rate. But Apple does buy back shares and does increase their dividend as a product or service that people can count on and generates tremendous amount of cash flow. I'll say so much cash flow and so much cash that the countries in which Apple operates, the governments all want a piece of Apple's, Apple's business and they attempt to go after Apple as a monopoly. That said, Apple is a very, very steady growth company. And even with all the fluctuations and worries that the analysts have over the next iteration of the iPhone, this company could well continue to perform on a very, very long, long, long term basis. That's an example. Both Coke and Apple are examples of first faster growing companies and then companies that become steady growers. And those are types of companies that for longer term investors you should look look at growth will out. That is I'll say the biggest bit of advice Chris that I could give any, any investor. The other pieces always keep cash available because inevitably in any given year a market is going to pull back 5 to 10% 3 to 4 times during the course of the year. And having cash available to add to positions is beneficial. Alan Putting together any portfolio portfolios for myself or my clients and my money is in the exact same spots that my clients money is in. Okay, we go in together and out together on new purchases. My focus always has been companies around the Internet, companies involved in leisure China related businesses without necessarily being in China because that's still faster growing part of the world real assets such as real estate and to keep a portion of money available for short term trading or for opportunities and by we'll say concentrating in the portfolio concentrating or focusing the portfolios in those areas I have found better opportunities for growth than in other sectors of the marketplace and that's why

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