7/14 Sherriff Bob Fletcher still getting grief for merely pointing out Somali gang violence

Summary

GARAGE LOGIC PODCAST
Episode Date: July 14, 2026
Main Topic: "Sheriff Bob Fletcher Still Getting Grief for Merely Pointing Out Somali Gang Violence"

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Episode Overview

This episode of Garage Logic, hosted by Joe Soucheray with the regular crew—Chris Reavers, Kenny Olson, John Hight, and Josh Arnold—delves into the ongoing controversy surrounding Sheriff Bob Fletcher, who has received backlash from Somali-American leaders for candidly discussing Somali youth gang violence in the Twin Cities. The episode also weaves in the team’s signature blend of neighborhood observations, wry Midwestern humor, and pointed commentary on local news, transportation trends, and recent fraud scandals.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cargo Bike Culture in Minneapolis

[02:01–18:26]

• The crew reacts to local media coverage about the rise of cargo bikes (bicycles capable of carrying heavy loads, families, or goods).
• They discuss Laura Groenjes Mitchell, founder of the Minnesota Cargo Bike Library and former head of “Our Streets.”
• The team debates the practicality and ideological motivations behind promoting cargo bikes as a car substitute:
  • Joe Soucheray: Skeptical about widespread utility: “Maybe they’re for 1/10 of 1% of the population.” [04:18]
  • Kenny Olson: Sees cargo bikes as part of a broader rejection of traditional American/western lifestyles: “It smacks to me of thinking the way we live our lives…is all wrong and it should be done differently.” [09:26]
  • General consensus is that cargo bikes are impractical for most, given Minnesota’s winters and the realities of suburban/family life.

2. Controversy Over Somali Gang Violence Comments

[66:29–72:28]

• Sheriff Bob Fletcher called out growing problems with Somali youth gangs in a public broadcast.
• Response: Somali-American elected officials and community leaders held a press conference, criticizing Fletcher for “stigmatizing” the Somali community and making “sweeping generalizations.” [66:33]
• Hosts’ Reactions:
  • Kenny Olson: “He specifically pointed out, I am not indicting the community. I’m talking about Somali youth gangs.” [66:56]
  • Joe Soucheray: Suggests community leaders would be better served by openly working with law enforcement: “Wouldn’t they be better served by admitting, yes, there is a problem. Let's tackle this together.” [69:58]
  • Notes that other ethnic communities have faced gang issues and addressed them publicly, asking why Somali leaders are “immune from scrutiny.” [71:09]
  • General frustration with what they see as denial or deflection, rather than cooperation.

3. Fraud & Financial Crime Highlights

[72:52–79:33]

• Discussion of the Feeding Our Future fraud scandal, with the latest defendant (Abdirasheed Bixie Dool) pleading guilty—emphasizing scale (69 convictions, 78 charged). [73:21]
• Coverage of a separate fraud case involving former Miss North Dakota, Jill Mertens, who admitted to defrauding a state childcare compensation program. [75:18]
• The hosts note both the prevalence and diversity of fraudsters in Minnesota.

4. Accountability, Race, and Academic Scandal

[27:17–39:12]

• Coverage of Harvard historian Dr. Kerri Greenidge’s discredited book on the Grimke sisters.
• Discussion focuses on her claims of racism in response to factual criticism, the standards of academia, and broader questions about race relations.
  • Joe Soucheray: “Lady, I don’t care if you’re black or red or yellow… It either holds up or it doesn’t.” [31:27]
  • Observes disappointment in the academic community’s (and media’s) handling of such controversies.
  • Reflection on how historical complexities are mishandled or sensationalized in discourse.

5. News Roundup & Cultural Observations

[44:13–83:14]

• News: Wildfires closing parts of the Boundary Waters (44:15), Minnesota state flag dispute in Champlin (46:13), updates on U.S. and global news.
• Notable offbeat story: “Florida man” incident involving a vacuum cleaner [61:33–64:45].
• Observations about media, streaming services, and the commercialization of sport and history in Minnesota.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Cargo Bikes

• Joe Soucheray: “Honest to God, I am going to Sheetrock my basement. So could I use—could I go get about 80 sheets of sheetrock with that cargo bike?” [06:30]
• Kenny Olson: “Cargo bikes or bicycles in general … only accommodate a lifestyle with completely diminished aspirations.” [24:41]

On Somali Gang Violence Backlash

• Kenny Olson: “He specifically pointed out, I am not indicting the community. I’m talking about Somali youth gangs.” [66:56]
• Joe Soucheray: “Wouldn’t they be better served by admitting, yes, there is a problem. Let’s tackle this together, Somali leaders, along with law enforcement…” [69:58]

On Accountability and Academic Criticism

• Joe Soucheray: “How can you live in a society where you can't criticize people based on their skin color?” [31:25]
• Kenny Olson: “We're nowhere. We're going backwards in race relations in this country.” [37:05]

Notable Humor

• Kenny Olson (on impracticality of cargo bikes): “Are there air conditioned cargo bikes?” [15:33]
• Joe Soucheray (mocking cargo bike aspirations): “All my fantasies like that are post-apocalyptic, meaning we no longer have gasoline or electricity.” [26:33]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Cargo bike discussion and skepticism: [02:01–18:26]
• Race, historical accuracy, and academic integrity: [27:17–39:12]
• Somali gang violence discussion and political backlash: [66:29–72:28]
• Feeding Our Future/Childcare Fraud: [72:52–79:33]
• News recap (BWCA fires, Champlin flag debate, odd crime stories, national news): [44:13–64:45]

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Final Thoughts

Garage Logic’s July 14, 2026 episode illustrates the hosts' trademark mix of skepticism, comic resignation, and willingness to confront controversial issues—especially surrounding public safety and the pressures of local activism and identity politics. Their approach to news is refreshingly unvarnished, oscillating between mockery of trendiness (cargo bikes), frustration with political correctness, and genuine concern for accountability—whether in academia, law enforcement, or government programs.

Signature Tone:
Decidedly Midwestern, irreverent, common sense; skeptical of fads, official narratives, and political spin.

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Fans and new listeners alike will find the episode to be a quintessential dose of “Gumption County” logic—equal parts humor, seriousness, and exasperation with modern Minnesota life.

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[Kenny Olson]

And now, from the mayor's office above the boathouse on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's Garage Logic, with Chris Reavers manning technology corner, Kenny Olson from the crabby coffee shop, John Hight in the newsroom, and of course, the rookie here is your Flashlight King fireworks commissioner and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Jo Sushi. Hi, everybody. We live. You think we live in Minnesota? We live in Laos where everyone has a cargo bike. That's a bike you can put four or five kids on and then. And then go to the grocery store and stop at Menards and bring home some sheets of plywood apparently, cargo bikes are the latest rave. It was in the Minneapolis paper yesterday. Today the Minneapolis Times has a big piece on cargo bikes. Have you seen a cargo bike?

[Joe Sucere]

I have. I've been seeing them for years. And when I look at them, Joe, I look at them with pity.

[Kenny Olson]

We live in. We live in Bangkok, Thailand.

[Joe Sucere]

We have.

[Kenny Olson]

We have cargo bikes. And that's how we should get around, because it builds community. I've always been puzzled by what that means. Community building. Does that mean you stop and just go into somebody's house to get a drink of water or sit around and wonder what they're having? For l.

[Joe Sucere]

It's connecting communities, Joe, with cargo bikes.

[Chris Reavers]

Last week, I saw one in transit from Hubbard Broadcasting.

[Kenny Olson]

The kids were on it. The whole family was on the road.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, I was gonna get there. I was in transit from here to Abbott Northwestern Hospital. And it had some supplies on it. And he had guy riding the bike.

[Kenny Olson]

I have a pilot.

[Chris Reavers]

And then he had another guy on the back kind of holding down the fort. And he's weaving in and out of traffic on Lake Street. And I thought, well, that's an interesting way to transport goods.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, that's the way we should be doing it. Somebody named Laura, like, we're in Vietnam, right, With a motor scooter with 14 people on it and a rug. They always got the carpet with them. They're taking the carpet someplace. Laura Groenjes Mitchell is the founder and head librarian of the Minnesota Cargo Bike Library.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, that's precious.

[Kenny Olson]

She was the advocate of the year in Bikeman's 2025 Community Awards. Bikeman's panel of judges recognized Laura for her outstanding advocacy for safer streets and community building. Okay, congratulations. As the founder of the Minnesota Cargo Bike Library, she has designed and launched a multi organizational partnership to expand access to cargo bikes, offering a small collection of electric cargo bikes for free to residents for up to a week. And the Minneapolis Times talked to her about her vision for this transformative initiative and how cargo bikes are for everyone. Well, they're not for everyone. Maybe they're for 1/10 of 1% of the population.

[Joe Sucere]

Joe. I could definitely see electrician using a cargo bike because he's, you know, he'll have all the. His conduit on there. He'll have various rolls of wire, wire nuts. He'll have two, three ladders, all sorts of test equipment and basic tools.

[Kenny Olson]

I've already seen a vehicle, a bicycle going through town that delivers bread.

[Joe Sucere]

How about a paint, A painter? You could have all the paint, scaffolding the canvas, the step, the various ladders. Yeah, it would all work great.

[Chris Reavers]

And then he parks it at a job site and gets ripped off blind.

[Joe Sucere]

Hey, Kenny comes out and says, you better lock up that cargo bike because we've got thieves in the neighborhood.

[Kenny Olson]

Here's the goal. The goal is to ensure Minnesota residents have the knowledge, skills and resources to safely and confidently replace car trips. We have a small fleet of electric cargo bikes that folks can borrow for free for about a week. Prior to borrowing a bike, people are required to attend a one hour in person orientation to learn how to ride the cargo bike.

[Joe Sucere]

Honest to God, I am going to. I'm going to Sheetrock, my basement. So could I use. Could I go get about 80 sheets of sheetrock with that cargo bike?

[Kenny Olson]

Then they found somebody who says their family life has improved. Well, maybe it was the winner. Laura. She said she was inspired to create the program after personally experiencing the way a cargo bike changed my own family's life for the better. Okay. We save money and get more exercise and have more fun, and we feel good about lowering our impact on the environment. And then so she started this library. Good for her. There will be some people that take advantage of this, but a lot of us can't really count on a cargo bike. It might be age, it might be infirmity. It might be you're too busy. It might be you actually have a job that I want to get to.

[Joe Sucere]

I beg to differ. If you look deeper in the story, she'll give you the many, many uses for a cargo bike.

[John Hight]

Joe.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, here I go.

[Joe Sucere]

You'll find that it would really affect your life.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, I'm looking.

[Joe Sucere]

You can take the kids to daycare.

[Kenny Olson]

You go to daycare, you commute to work. No, if you ride your bike to work, you pretty much ride a bike for a living. Run errands with large, bulky items. You can transport art. Oh, from art a world. What in God's name is these people?

[Joe Sucere]

Well, they can't see beyond their own face.

[Kenny Olson]

Bring adult friends with mobility needs to parts of the city that are inexpensive, accessible by car.

[Chris Reavers]

Sure.

[Joe Sucere]

Can you see me stuffing my old

[Kenny Olson]

man, my father, the guy on there that can't walk, and you hold on over to a bridge.

[Joe Sucere]

No, I'd like to see Matthew and Bob.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, wooden leg over the side there. You can take dogs to the vet. You can go sightseeing.

[Joe Sucere]

You can go garage seeing again, that's made for Matthew. We need a gl cargo bike for

[Kenny Olson]

Matt and get around on a date night with one partner hauling the Other on the bike.

[Chris Reavers]

Jesus, these people are just.

[Kenny Olson]

Hey, wait. Hey, wait.

[Josh Arnold]

Can you.

[Joe Sucere]

Can apricots on the car?

[Kenny Olson]

It depends on the size of the cargo bike. Well, I guess. You know what?

[Chris Reavers]

Best of luck to you.

[Kenny Olson]

Sure. Go for it.

[Joe Sucere]

This is for somebody whose entire life is between the Mississippi and Lake Calhoun and downtown Minneapolis and Richfield so far they can see and that. That's their world.

[Chris Reavers]

It's Matthew the six block radius.

[Kenny Olson]

I would say something. But what I would say would be wrong of me to accuse the cargo bike proponents of. You know, it.

[John Hight]

Anyway.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay. It smacks to me of this. The one of the. One of the many ways mysterious reject western culture. It smacks to me of thinking that the way we live our lives and the way we pursue livelihoods is all wrong and it should be done completely differently. And there's nothing wrong with riding a cargo bike. Have fun and see. They would reject that. They would say we're not rejecting western civilization or western culture. We're just cutting down on our car use and using a cargo bike. And they're right. So it would be wrong of me to suggest this much deeper motive behind it. I can't attribute to Laura Groyanges Mitchell her wishes to replace American society as we know it with cargo bikes. That would be unfair of me, but that's what it looks like to me. And when I see this poor SAP driving around town delivering bread on his bike, I'm thinking, the day's coming. It's just gonna be all bikes. We're gonna get our food from bikes. And what, Joe?

[Joe Sucere]

The bigger thing here. And I know that's what you're alluding to. Why are they so obsessed with telling us how to live our lives? Why can't they just leave us alone?

[Kenny Olson]

We can't even accuse that she's. She's.

[Joe Sucere]

But that's what it is.

[Kenny Olson]

She founded a library where people who want to experiment with the cargo bike can go and give it a shot. And that's. That's all she's guilty of. She's not guilty of anything insidious. She's not. She's probably got a great heart.

[Joe Sucere]

Are you super high right now? Get into the gummies.

[Kenny Olson]

No, I'm.

[Joe Sucere]

This doesn't seem like.

[Kenny Olson]

You know. But I mean, it's so silly that you have to remember that's going to affect 1/10 of the population. 1/10 of 1%.

[Joe Sucere]

You're right.

[Kenny Olson]

Population.

[Chris Reavers]

Go ahead, John.

[John Hight]

She's. Did you look at her bio at all?

[Kenny Olson]

I did not look her up. I. She. God, Love her.

[Josh Arnold]

God love her.

[Kenny Olson]

I'm trying to stay on her good side.

[John Hight]

Yeah. And I do whatever you want. I have no problem with that. And, you know, I, you know, would you find out. It doesn't raise my hackles with all the. The cargo bike thing, but I think this is part of your conversation. Perhaps she is the former a leader of a group we have talked about in the past called Our Streets. Remember that?

[Kenny Olson]

Well, then I'm on the right track. She is trying to wreck Russian.

[John Hight]

Yeah, yeah, she's. She spent.

[Joe Sucere]

There he is.

[Kenny Olson]

I know that guy.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[John Hight]

She was for three years the board president at Our Streets.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay. So she'd be very comfortable ripping up i94 and replacing it with a parkway with one tree on it.

[Chris Reavers]

That's kind of where I was going because, yeah, this is all safe and fun, but this person's responsible for making actual decisions.

[Kenny Olson]

How I would address this to socialists. I'm gonna go out on a limb and suspect she's a very big proponent of the dsa, for example.

[Chris Reavers]

You don't say.

[Kenny Olson]

But here's my question. Let's say you win DSA and cargo bike people, and pretty soon you have a city of no cars. It's just cargo bikes. And the only people living in the city, basically, are activists and graduate students. Where are you going to get the taxes to fund your lifestyle? Where are you going to get the taxes to provide the free things you want? You want health care, you want time, you want paid leave, you don't want to work? Where are you going to get the money to fund that? You're going to run out of other people's money. And so you can tear up 94, and you can reserve the streets for cargo bikes and bicycles and pedestrians, which is lousy treatment for people who have infirmities. But I guess you don't care about that. I guess, in fact, you're creating cargo bikes that are like cargo ambulances. You know, you could just stuff somebody on there on a cot or something and haul them in. So who's going to pay for the hospital?

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Who's going to pay for. Who's going to pay for anything that you imagine?

[Chris Reavers]

You know, you mentioned tearing up 94. Try to get on your cargo bike, leave this building, and try to cross the river using 35e right now. Good luck on that cargo bike.

[Kenny Olson]

See that? That's not in their vision.

[John Hight]

No.

[Kenny Olson]

To cross the river in the future, you will go down and put the cargo bike on a wood raft that will get pulled across the river.

[Chris Reavers]

So to get to Mendota. It's going to take me three hours.

[Kenny Olson]

Take you a while. It might take you a while, but there will be no need for a Mendota.

[Josh Arnold]

Wow.

[John Hight]

She was the Denver teacher of the Year in May of 2012.

[Kenny Olson]

Sure. Oh, in the failed academy. Wonder what she taught.

[John Hight]

She does not teach anymore. She taught kindergarten. I'm on her LinkedIn page now. She taught kindergarten in first grade for five years ending in 2014.

[Kenny Olson]

You know, again, she's probably a nice gal. We just have ideological differences. That's all we agree to. Because I. A cargo bike is so out of the realm of the world I live in that it's hard to identify with someone actually desiring one. For example, let's look at your life Reivers.

[Chris Reavers]

Okay.

[Kenny Olson]

A cargo bike could not accommodate your life.

[Chris Reavers]

So I couldn't haul two kids in their baseball equipment.

[Kenny Olson]

You're allowed to live where you.

[Chris Reavers]

That's true.

[Kenny Olson]

I should not be in a boxy apartment on Lake street where the. Where the cargo bike could accommodate. Pile of kids in there with their baseball equipment.

[Chris Reavers]

And we're going to head to St. Peter for our playoff game last year. Yeah, we might get there.

[Kenny Olson]

Just leave now.

[Chris Reavers]

On a 96 degree day.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay, that's another great question. Are there air conditioned cargo bikes?

[Chris Reavers]

Joe, it's funny you mentioned that. I was just on a website that I won't name since we have a direct competitor. I'm sure with them. And you can get a refrigeration unit cargo bike, but that's.

[Kenny Olson]

Are you kidding? Are you kidding me?

[Chris Reavers]

No, but that's to haul stuff. So that's to haul food. Food and whatnot.

[John Hight]

Six pack of beer. Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

Grocery items, things of that nature. Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Not me.

[Joe Sucere]

Maybe you could get a chill seat.

[Kenny Olson]

See? See? Euphorians. To the Euphorians, I'm just the guy yelling get off my lawn.

[Joe Sucere]

Yep. Angry man yells at Cloud.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, I mean I'm yelling at Clouds. But. But when you look deeper into what we've discovered about the mystery. I'm not yelling at Clouds at all. I'm issuing an alert, an Al warning. This is ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. But it's not ridiculous to the people who keep voting for Chugs and Chavez and the rest of them because they don't want the life we have.

[Chris Reavers]

We want to go to the art fair.

[Kenny Olson]

They want to go to Art World and haul home some ding dang piece of art on their cargo bike.

[Chris Reavers]

You know, to bring an off air conversation on the air. Kenny, you know what Joe would say? When he was on his air conditioned unit cargo bike, he'd say, well, I know it's 94 degrees outside, but I'm in motion. There's a nice breeze.

[Kenny Olson]

Right.

[Chris Reavers]

So it's only about 82.

[Kenny Olson]

I know what you're doing, Joe. We had the old conversation about how our thermostat set at 77. And you guys say, that's too hot. And I say, when you walk in from a 95 degree day in humid, 77 feels fine.

[Joe Sucere]

It's not really a conversation. It's usually explaining to you your mental issues.

[John Hight]

Right.

[Joe Sucere]

That you're just, you're not. Right. Well, I'm looking at a cargo bike and you know what would fit in that front storage compartment really nice? A slant six. Go, go to, go to Chrysler, pull out one of those old slant sixes out of those Valaris or whatever the hell they are.

[Kenny Olson]

No, I'll take you a step it in there. I'll take you a step further. Inevitably, what will happen if, and it's terribly unlikely if cargo bikes became the norm, it will just logically follow that. We'll go full Cuba on the deal and people will start installing old lawnmower engines in it.

[John Hight]

Absolutely.

[Kenny Olson]

And old car engine. We'll be restoring cars from 1912. We'll go full Cuba on the cargo bikes. That's what will happen. And then guys will be opening parts stores where you can get new flywheels for your Briggs and Stratton lawnmower engine to power your cargo.

[Joe Sucere]

So there's a YouTube channel with 3.2, no 3.17 million followers called Grind Hard Plumbing. And that is exactly what they do. They have taken those plastic cars that the kids ride around the yard in.

[Kenny Olson]

Yep.

[Joe Sucere]

And they've stuffed like CR250 motors or even bigger plastic wheels and they fly around at 80 miles an hour in these little piles of crap.

[Kenny Olson]

If they win, if the cargo bike crowd wins, you will have gasoline powered big wheels.

[Joe Sucere]

Grind Hard has already done that.

[Kenny Olson]

You will have gasoline powered big wheels. Cause people are gonna realize, you know, that cargo bike was fun once.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah, exactly.

[Kenny Olson]

And then I realized, I gotta have some motion here. I need some motion.

[Chris Reavers]

There was a great post because, you know, everyone's, you know, times are tough right now. Times are tough right now, Joe. And there was a great post about a guy that said, well, I had to. I made a fortune delivering meals via doordash. I got a cargo bike.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

And it turns out I'm making, you know, five bucks every meal. And I made a million dollars because I got hit by a car and the settlement was 1.3 mil.

[Kenny Olson]

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[Chris Reavers]

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[Chris Reavers]

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[Kenny Olson]

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Here's a man who spends hours in hardware stores sifting through the nuts and bolts of life.

[Joe Sucere]

Joe Sucere Summer's half over. You've got to get to Warner Stock in New Richmond, Wisconsin. Or at least get on the website Warner. They've got a big selection of pontoons on sale right now. Both Premier and Bentley, you know. And not just pontoons. They have a massive selection of fishing boats and all the accompanying accessories. Like I said, start that adventure on the website so you can see what they have. Warner stock.com get familiar and then stop over. They have a very large air conditioned showroom in New Richmond. Nice and comfortable. On a day like today, if all you want to do is fish, let me tell you something buddy. Today's Alumacraft isn't your day. Dad's Alumacraft. It's. It's amazing actually. Warner's Dock specializes in these amazing new Alumacraft fishing boats powered by Suzuki, Yamaha and Mercury outboards. Three of the best. They love trades. That means they have a full selection of quality used fishing boats and pontoons in stock right now. They've been around for 79 years. They learn a thing or two. That's four generations of family that has learned to be committed to keeping your family happy summer long. From sales to service storage, Pontoons, fishing boats. What have I missed? Docks. Warner's. They sell docks. It's right there in the name. They're in New Richmond, the place for all your boating needs. And on the web, warner stock.com Here's a serious comment.

[Kenny Olson]

Cargo bikes or bicycles in general, used for your transportation only accommodate a lifestyle with completely diminished aspirations. How's that? They accommodate lifestyles of completely diminished aspirations. They suggest settling for much less than might be available if you took other means of transportation.

[Joe Sucere]

And I might add, happily Settling for less. I mean, they're obviously happy, right?

[Kenny Olson]

Okay. And that's fine. If your goal is to simplify your life and to not have car payments and car insurance and buying gasoline and somehow you have a job or you have some means of feeding your family and putting a roof over your head, and you can do that by riding a bicycle. I think that's tremendous. Hooray, hooray, hooray. It depends on what your goals are and your aspirations. So that's how I would sum that up. And that's why I say I look at the lifestyle I lead and it could not be accommodated by a cargo bike. It just couldn't be.

[Chris Reavers]

All I'm picturing is you on one. She sends you down to Lunds.

[Kenny Olson]

I got a scooter for that.

[Chris Reavers]

Go get some. Yeah, See? And you have made adjustments. But I'm picturing, you know, on the cargo bike and you gotta go run and get some supplies for the kids that the kids you used to have. That'd be fun. That'd be a fun video.

[Joe Sucere]

All my fantasies like that are post apocalyptic, meaning we no longer have gasoline or electricity.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, so are mine.

[Joe Sucere]

And so that.

[Kenny Olson]

That's what it would have to come to for me.

[Joe Sucere]

It would come in handy, you know, ride five miles into town and get supplies.

[Chris Reavers]

May I add one thing that I don't think that this person has taken into account with a cargo bike?

[Kenny Olson]

You may.

[Chris Reavers]

There's this thing around here that happens. It's called winter.

[Kenny Olson]

Seven months a year. That's bad cargo riding seven months a year.

[Chris Reavers]

Trying to slosh through that stuff.

[Kenny Olson]

Starting about November.

[Joe Sucere]

I've seen them. I've seen them in February on Franklin Avenue over the middle of Mississippi.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, we joke about it all the time. Pelham. The bike lane gets plowed before the actual street does.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

We have an example of a black woman wishing to be made less than. It's around a variety of news sites, news sites that a historian who's authored a book about slavery has been found by academia to be. Her book was full of errors and she's now saying it's racist for you to point out that I made errors in my book. She's begging to be made less than. She's essentially saying, you must forgive me for the errors and not count them. Her name is Carrie Greenidge and she wrote a book in 2022 called the Grimkes, which tells the story of a prominent South Carolina slaveholder family who later played a role in the abolitionist movement and was lauded by critics. And it won the American Historical Association's Joan Kelly Memorial Prize. But skepticism grew as her prose came under the microscope of historians and scholars, including Myra Glenn, an author and retired American history professor at Elmira College. This particular story I happen to be reading from the New York Post in 2020. In a 2024 examination of the Grimkeys, Glenn called it deeply flawed and called out that Green Greenage all too often lacks the evidence to substantiate many of her major claims. She added that her work is also riddled with factual errors and repeatedly omits needed endnotes. Presented with these and other disputed findings discovered through Glenn's analysis by the New York Times, Greenidge immediately cast herself as a victim and accused her growing roster of critics as racism. How could that be? I am heartbroken that a field I have given my life to can treat me this way. She told. She either told the New York Post or the Times the attack on a black woman academics in black the attack on black women academics is real. My God.

[Chris Reavers]

What.

[Kenny Olson]

What have we come to? That she believes that it's racism to point out that she. She made a lot of mistakes.

[Joe Sucere]

Just say anything you want. That's what. That's what she wants to be told.

[Kenny Olson]

Though she claimed to have never plagiarized or fabricated anything. I don't think anyone's accusing her of that.

[Joe Sucere]

No.

[Kenny Olson]

She conceded. There are are citations that were misattributed probably. Okay. The resulting firestorm has since seen the Grimkes removed from her author page on the publisher's website.

[Joe Sucere]

That's not good.

[Kenny Olson]

And her entry as a winner of the Joan Kelly Memorial Prize was absent from the American Historical Association's homepage.

[Joe Sucere]

They'd take it back if they could.

[Kenny Olson]

She also seems to have lost her job as a tenured associate professor in the Department of Studies in Race Colonialism in Diaspora at Tufts University, A spokesman for the Greater Boston School telling the Times that she was no longer employed there.

[Joe Sucere]

Joe, it's hard to be fired as a tenured professor.

[Kenny Olson]

It really is. It's really difficult. The spokesman declined to elaborate on the reason for her departure. Pressed by the outlet over the accelerating cascade of scrutiny, including her apparent removal from Tufts and the forfeiture of her prizes, Greenidge again claimed it was all the work of anti black sentiment. We're getting nowhere, are we? No, we're just getting nowhere.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Lady, I don't care if you're black or red or yellow. I'm perfectly willing to read your work. And it's either holds up or it doesn't. I don't care what color your skin is. We're getting nowhere. We're going backwards. We are going. How can you live in a society where you can't criticize people based on their skin color? You can't. She accused two senior historians on the university's peer review panel of being hostile towards black women in academia and argued that the review process by the school was kicked off by complaints from a white woman scholar. She declined to name any of the individuals in question. She even hinted that her race played a part in the New York Times writing about her sweetheart. The New York Times would have bent over backwards to promote you had you been factual. The New York Times is not in the business of denigrating black female authors about anything. My God in heaven, where are we? Where can we possibly be? The immaturity here and the duplicitness is just beyond the pale. I am supposed to believe that would. That it would be racism to point out the woman's errors in her book?

[Joe Sucere]

What is it when I point out issues with. I think his name is Shelby Foote, historian, or. What's the other guy? Is it Hirsch? Seymour.

[Kenny Olson]

Seymour Hersh.

[Joe Sucere]

Seymour Hersh. Is he.

[Kenny Olson]

He's a white guy.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah. So is that me being against white people or me being against inaccuracies?

[Kenny Olson]

Well, in a Gl world, you. You're against inaccuracies?

[Joe Sucere]

No, it's Stephen Ambrose. That's an Ambrose. Yeah, Stephen Ambrose. Because he, if you ask me, takes a lot of liberties, to put it mildly. And I don't see anybody calling racism there.

[Kenny Olson]

I just can't imagine. She sounds like a very well educated, successful woman who did write a book in which she apparently made a number of mistakes. And she has no ability, apparently, to acknowledge that. It's just. It's just a sad commentary on where we are. How can she be dealt with? And I. I am surprised that the failed academy, if. If in fact, they got rid of her because of these mistakes. I'm. I'm surprised that they did. I'm. They must be egregious mistakes. They must be so. They must be so outrageous that they couldn't be overlooked.

[Joe Sucere]

Right. Well, that's. That's what I took away from it. Yeah. The one thing that I found disappointing about the story is they don't actually tell us what the mistakes were. They're just talking about the aftermath here. I really want to see.

[John Hight]

There are some stories that say it's the. Apparently she didn't supply evidence for some of the stuff she was, you know, saying happened. And so since there was no attribution as to where that information came from,

[Joe Sucere]

that drives me crazy about.

[Kenny Olson]

Now, wait a minute. Is this a work of fiction or non fiction?

[John Hight]

Non fiction.

[Kenny Olson]

So there was really a family named the Grimkes?

[John Hight]

Yes, it was a pair of sisters, actually. Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

All right. And she's attributing to them possibly some things that didn't happen throughout history.

[John Hight]

Yes. Yeah. The family was a big slaveholding family. 300 slaves.

[Kenny Olson]

Right.

[John Hight]

And she put some stuff in the book apparently that. Incidents, perhaps. Incidents. There was no attribution as to where anybody ever.

[Kenny Olson]

That cast the Grimkes in poor light.

[John Hight]

Yeah, the sisters.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, how much poor light do you want to be than just a slaveholder?

[Joe Sucere]

You know what?

[John Hight]

It sounds like I was thinking that

[Joe Sucere]

too, but just hearing you say that, John, it sounds like the liberties that Hollywood takes with non fiction. Non fiction when they decide to turn something into a movie.

[John Hight]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

But I think. I think because it's a movie, you're kind of. You get what you pay for.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, I get PO'd is what I get.

[Kenny Olson]

This, I would imagine, given the circle in which she publishes, was treated as very serious.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah. Academia.

[John Hight]

Here's an example. Among the problems identified was the use of quotes from letters exchanged between the Grimke sisters that could not be found in the University of Michigan's archives, as Green Ridge's citation suggested. So she had citations saying, here's where she found this. But that didn't actually exist.

[Kenny Olson]

Apparently the University of Michigan must have in its archives the handiwork of the Grimkes.

[John Hight]

Correct? Yes.

[Kenny Olson]

And she was citing it. But when. When it was. Went to be found, it was not non existent.

[John Hight]

Yeah, it didn't exist at all. And there's a couple other situations in the book where she basically tells a story of what happened, but with no attribution as to where she found that information. And under. Other historians say there's no record of this. I've never heard of this. Where did this come from?

[Kenny Olson]

She could have just said, oh, man, I was on deadline. I was in a hurry. That's a shame that we. That she thinks it's racist. That's terrible. We're nowhere. We're going backwards in race relations in this country. We have gone backwards. I don't know if there was a peak moment in the last 7,500 years when we were. When it looked like we were going to get over the hump and everything was going to be okay, but if there was that moment and we're a long way from it, we've Gone the other way. And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I hold Obama partly responsible for that. I know he was a well loved guy and certainly articulate and wonderful in many areas of his life, but he did nothing that I'm aware of to improve race relations. Nothing. And he could have. It started with the cop in Boston and it just. It just never stopped. He never passed up an opportunity to play that card. And I just thought, oh, my God, we've elected a black American. Let's go here. This is going to be the cure all for everything. And it didn't work out that way.

[Joe Sucere]

We came out further divided.

[Kenny Olson]

We're just. We're going backwards. Gee whiz, that's a shame that this lady, by taking the position she's taken, she's ruining her career.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, she's ruining their history too, because these grinky girls, well, they might have

[Kenny Olson]

been complete crackpots, these Grimkeys.

[Joe Sucere]

No, they were actually. They were against their parents. Their parents owned these 300 slaves. They did not. They were against it. So it sounds like it's a. Can you imagine having 300 slaves?

[Kenny Olson]

I mean, that's a. That casts enough, Paul, on the Grimke family. I don't think. You got to make up any story. And that.

[Joe Sucere]

And then. So the two sisters rejecting. That is a fascinating.

[Kenny Olson]

That's a cool story.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

And she blew it. And now we're racist for pointing that out. That's a shame. Just a shame. She was. Holy mackerel.

[Joe Sucere]

There's actually a lot of writing about the Grimke sisters.

[Kenny Olson]

You know, I had never heard of them until the Grimkes. Until now. I love the name the Grimkes. What state did they live in? Were they Carolinas? Are they South?

[Joe Sucere]

South Carolina. Oh, I meant South Carolina.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, I'm gonna tell you.

[Joe Sucere]

So lower Carolina.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, I was looking for that, Chris. I don't know what happened to it. I have. I had some stuff here.

[Chris Reavers]

It's almost like you need a folder.

[Kenny Olson]

I had one.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

I don't know what happened to it. I don't know. Oh, here it is right here. You know, you're talking about those cargo bikes. And not even Ecofund has a cargo bike in stock that I'm aware of. But if electric cargo bikes.

[Chris Reavers]

But if it sweeps the nation, they'll

[Kenny Olson]

be first to have it. Absolutely they have. They're the electric bike cap capital of the world now. Mostly it's their bikes ridden for recreation. I'm sure many people who rely on bicycles for their transportation have Also done business at Ecofund because it's the best selection of electric bikes in Minnesota, if not the state. And they're on sale. Excuse me. Starting at 899. There's hundreds of E bikes in stock. And Kalyn Bloom. Excuse me, I have a frog in my throat. Tim's daughter is an expert on these bikes. And you will leave with the right fit, the right comfort, the right size tires, the right seat height, the right handlebars. No need to leave there without any question being answered. They also have motorcycles and scooters that turn every urban errand into an adventure. 1499 the scooters are on sale starting at 1499. And you're going to do 90 miles worth of errands on one gallon of gas? I do. Oh, and I love to beat the man. Yamaha Waverunners and Kawasaki Jet Skis in stock. Check out the full [e-mail] It's EcoFun Motorsports in Forest Lake, Columbus. It's right west of the interstate on Highway 97. It's three roundabouts and you're there. Brand new. Beautiful. It's going to be the most fun store you've ever entered. And down in Burnsville on the service road of life near County Road 42 east. Ecofunmotorsports.com.

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[Kenny Olson]

It's the end of the world as we know it and he feels fine.

[Chris Reavers]

Joe Sugiray Man, I gotta tell you what you know. It was a big hit over the 4th of July. 4th of July. 4th Of July. Reaver's family gathering celebration. The BlackBerry lemonade that I brought to the family gathering. They said, holy sweet Moses, where did you get this stuff? And I said, well, duh. Harmony Spirits harmonyspirits.net that's the website where you can click the Buy Online tab and have that wonderful stuff sent right to your front door. But boy oh boy, we are in store for another great stretch of weather. So head down to Harmony, Minnesota and stop in at the tasting room and say hi to Larry and say hi to Damon. Say hi to the entire crew and you can sample all of those great tastings that they have down there. And that's a rotating menu throughout the summer, by the way of great handcrafted cocktails made right in the tasting room. But grab yourself a four pack to go. BlackBerry Lemonade. That's a huge hit in my home, but there's everything that you'd want mixed with gin, rum, vodka, whiskey, bourbon. It's all there. And also please do me a favor, continue to go into your local liquor store and ask for the Harmony brand by name. That is truly how they're going to continue to create and spread the good news about Harmony Spirits. HarmonySpirits.net, click the buy Online tab. And by the way, thanks to all of you jailers that have been stopping in and posting about Harmony Spirits on social media. Make sure that you mention that you heard about them right here on the Garage logic podcast.

[Kenny Olson]

Here's Mr. John Haidt.

[John Hight]

Thank you Joe. This news brought to you by North American Banking Company Story we had yesterday Update the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness has closed entry points as more than a dozen wildfires continue to burn in northern Minnesota. The forest closure took effect at 12:01 this morning covers all BWCA entry points. On Monday, the Superior National Forest said the campfires spread over four miles in a half a day. With the extreme weather and fire conditions as of this morning, it's burned 1500 acres and is 0% contained. Officials said the fire started after a lightning storm last week have intensified through repeated dry and windy days. They said they did not have a specific number of people still in the Boundary Waters, but rangers are going to 1,900 campsites to notify people. Hennepin County Attorney's office considering charges against a suspect or suspects identified after fireworks were aimed at the home of Minnesota Senator John Hoffman over the Fourth of July holiday weekend. A Minnesota state trooper has been stationed outside the Hoffman home since the incident. It happened at their home in Champlin where last year Hoffman and his wife Yvette suffered a total of 17 gunshot wounds. Through a spokesman, the Hoffman's declined comment about this latest incident. Sources told our friends@5 Eyewitness News the fireworks incident was captured on a doorbell camera, including the voices of a suspect and or suspects yelling at the Hoffman family chaplain. Police wouldn't confirm or deny if an incident happened instead of it did, there wouldn't be a report for seven to 10 days. However, the Hennepin County Attorney's Office confirmed a report that's been forwarded to them and a spokesman says the case is in the pipeline for review regarding possible charges against a suspect or suspects who have been identified. A decision could be made this or it could take longer, according to that person.

[Joe Sucere]

Feral human beings

[John Hight]

from the Star Tribune after battling for months about which version of the Minnesota's flag to display, the Champlain City Council has found a new way to compromise Fly no state flag at all the northwest suburb was one of the largest cities devote earlier this year to keep flying the old state flag. Several small suburbs, exurbs and towns throughout Greater Minnesota have done the same, rejecting

[Kenny Olson]

we're rolling it right now, John. Looking at them all. Janesville, Cabo

[John Hight]

Rejecting the new design that's largely unpopular and has become a flashpoint. Champlain's decision to wave the 1983 flag get it waved. Royal the community. Thank you, Royal. Royal the community.

[Kenny Olson]

Motorville. No, Manderville. I'm sorry, Motorville.

[John Hight]

It helped set off an unusually dramatic special election for a council seat in Champlain, which usually are, well, kind of sleepy events. Local politics got so heated that candidates and residents reported death threats and doxing. So yesterday, after months of packed meetings and bitter fights, the City Council decided to jump out of the hot water, approving a formal flag and banners policy that includes leaving the state flag packed away. One resident in attendance likened the council's action to parents taking a toy away from siblings who can't stop fighting about it. Mayor Ryan Sebus said that analogy of a parent taking the toy away is pretty spot on. Misgivings over the flag decision reached new heights during the special election in the spring. Tim Hutner, who had been temporarily appointed to the council, was running to fill the ward seat. The race got ugly, and Hutner argued that much of the controversy started with the decision to fly the old flag, which, by the way, he supported. Hutner lost his race to the more progressive Rachel Wales in May. At Monday's meeting, Sabas said he's hopeful the issue will come up again at the state level. Council member Jessica Tesdale supported the decision to stop flying any state flag, saying it's not a city government's job to wade into partisan issues.

[Kenny Olson]

You know what this tells me, John Champlin is just close enough to the country's tallest buildings.

[Chris Reavers]

I don't know where you guys fall on this topic, but I call the BS flag. I find it extremely hard to believe

[Kenny Olson]

that anyone is issuing Champlin off the crawl.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, we can when our assistant gets back next week.

[Kenny Olson]

Champlin's on the crawl. It's gotta come off.

[Chris Reavers]

I'm throwing the BS flag. I can't for the life of me believe that someone actually issued a death threat over a Minnesota state flag. I say that's B.S.

[John Hight]

it was. I believe the guy who said that was the guy we had on as a guest. Chris.

[Josh Arnold]

Chris.

[Chris Reavers]

Who is it?

[John Hight]

Chris Hutton.

[Kenny Olson]

Remember we had him on that guy.

[Chris Reavers]

Somebody seriously issued a death threat over the state flag?

[Kenny Olson]

I don't know. Let's let it go.

[John Hight]

Both sides said they had received threats. Doxing and threats about it. Okay. A horse drawn buggy driver was injured after colliding with a car in Fillmore over the weekend of Fillmore county. Excuse me. According to the Minnesota State Patrol, investigators say that the horse drawn buggy and a 2015 Chevrolet Camaro were both traveling westbound. Crash happened. The State Patrol lists alcohol as a suspected factor in the crash for the camaro driver, a 76 year old man. It happened on Highway 16 near Sheridan Street west at about 6:15 in the evening. And the American Red Cross has declared an emergency blood shortage after its blood supply fell nearly 25% last month. Shortage comes as hospitals deal with more trauma calls during the summer. Red Cross says the need is especially critical for platelets O positive and B negative blood types. Bryce C.H. johnson is CEO of the American Red Cross in Minnesota and the Dakotas. He said, we're asking people to come in and donate when they can. We know summers are busy for everybody. It's a great opportunity. Take an hour. You can make a huge difference in the lives of folks around the country and locally in return. Locally. By the way, anybody who comes to donate through July 31st will get a Fandango movie ticket up to a 15 ticket price and fees.

[Joe Sucere]

That's blood, not plasma, right?

[John Hight]

Yes.

[Joe Sucere]

Why do you get paid for plasma? You don't get paid for blood. But they take blood in both cases.

[Kenny Olson]

I can't answer that.

[John Hight]

I can't either. All right, then why don't we take it?

[Joe Sucere]

You two are. I remember when my plasma check was a big part of my income.

[John Hight]

I know people that sell that to make car payments.

[Joe Sucere]

Isn't that weird to.

[Kenny Olson]

How much is it worth?

[Joe Sucere]

I'd get I think 30 a week and I would go to Montanitas for the happy hour taco bar. And that would be lunch and dinner. Yeah, it's more one beer and 10 tacos.

[Kenny Olson]

There you go.

[John Hight]

Why don't we take a quick break and contemplate all of this and hear from Mr. Sushi.

[Kenny Olson]

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[Chris Reavers]

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[John Hight]

Thanks, Chris. Americans with a break on inflation last month, better deals at the gas station and cooler price increases across much of the economy over the month. Consumer gas prices dropped substantially for May, but even excluding food and energy products, prices were broadly flat, evidence that inflation trends improved. Oil prices, of course, have rebounded in recent weeks after a collapse in the Iran cease fire. And, and that means things probably won't be as good in July for numbers as they are in June. Speaking of that rebound in Iran fighting, the US Launched strikes on Iran early today, hours after President Trump vowed to reinstate an American blockade of Iranian ports and charge ships for safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz. Although he now has said he would not charge ships. Iran responded with attacks on Middle east allies in the US Latest exchange of fire leaves in tatters that interim deal meant to pause the fighting, reopen the water that's key to world energy, and give negotiators time to hammer out a permanent end of the war. Instead, fighting has once again engulfed the entire region, threatened the global economy, and brought warnings to commercial airlines. Middle east watchers say unless a diplomatic solution is found quickly, it could intensify into all out war. South Carolina Governor Henry McMaster yesterday appointing the late Senator Lindsey Graham's sister, Darlene Graham Nordon, to finish his Senate term, which ends in January. McMaster said Lindsay took care of his little sister in years long departed. It's my honor to ask his little sister, Darlene Graham to finish his work for him.

[Josh Arnold]

Now.

[John Hight]

Nordine will be able to serve until at least January 3, when a new Congress convenes. The Trump administration this morning ordered Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers to halt most vehicle stops around the US While carrying out operations. And according to people familiar with the matter, the order comes after ICE officers killed two people over the past week, one in Houston and one in the coastal city of Biddeford, Maine. Both were shot after agents tried to stop their vehicles. According to the Department of Homeland Security, the pause on vehicle stops could hamper the agency's ability to increase arrests as it faces increasing pressure to deliver on the president's promise of mass deportations. But it comes as some influential lawmakers and state officials have demanded answers about the latest shootings. Senator Susan Collins of Maine, a Republican who is running for reelection this year, said in a statement this morning that the shooting in Biddeford raised important questions and said she had urged Mark Wayne Mullen, the Homeland Security secretary, to quote, cease all non urgent vehicle stops took a while, but Eugene Carroll now has her money. Three years after a federal civil jury held President Trump liable for sexually abusing, abusing and defaming her, more than $5.6 million, including interest, was dispersed today from funds that Trump had to hand over to be held while he pursued his appeal. The move follows a couple of weeks of wrangling over whether the president had reached the end of his fight against paying his accuser. U.S. supreme Court decided not to review Trump's appeal June 29. Carroll asked the Manhattan trial court to order Trump to pay the 5 million judgment. Trump fought that request, but a federal judge ruled July 8 that it was time for Trump to pay. In a separate A Manhattan civil jury also awarded Carol $83.3 million from Trump in 2024 based on the conclusion that Trump defamed her in 2019 when he first denied the allegations. Trump's appeal in that case still being litigated. Five relatives killed Two relatives hurt in targeted shootings against a family in Illinois. Seven family members were shot at three locations, a park and two homes in the East St. Louis area this weekend, with five victims dying from their inj injuries. The two suspects, a 15 year old and a 16 year old, taken into custody on Sunday with charges expected. According to police. At least one of the suspects is related to one of the victims. While the motive remains under investigation, police say, I think it'll become apparent over time. The five victims, a 49 year old woman, a 74 year old woman, another female age 25 and 21 and 24 year old males. No threat to the public at this point point, police say you live until

[Joe Sucere]

your mid-70s, only to be done in by stupid teenagers.

[Kenny Olson]

East St. Louis is in Illinois and it's rough.

[John Hight]

Yeah, yeah, it's. I thought as I was reading this, and I'm guilty of it too, since it's way down to my newscast 40 years ago that that would let every newscast and newspaper in the world. But here it's a little blurb in the paper and a little blurb on the news.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah. Just a side note. What a tragedy.

[Chris Reavers]

Is it just because we've been so desensitized? Is that the deal?

[Kenny Olson]

Yes.

[John Hight]

Yeah. A group of 12 state attorneys general filed a lawsuit yesterday challenging Paramount Skydance's proposed acquisition of Warner Brothers Discovery. The lawsuit, which came after weeks of speculation on if and when it would be filed, seeks to block the merger. Merger on antitrust concerns. The merger deal would combine two storied film studios, Paramount and Warner Brothers, as well as streaming platforms Paramount plus and hbo. Max. Paramount CEO David Ellison had previously said the streaming services would become one following the transaction. This would also mean the formation of the largest portfolio of TV networks in the U.S. bringing together Paramount's broadcast network, CBS and pay TV channels like MTV and BET with WBD, CNN, TNT and other others. The lawsuit raised concerns about the size of the combined company, adding that the merged entity would control nearly one third of films and nearly one third of basic cable TV programming. Minnesota, if you're wondering, is one of the 12 states involved in the lawsuit.

[Chris Reavers]

And to recap that most latest news story, here is garagelogic's Joe Sushery.

[Kenny Olson]

What? What? Aramont is getting sued?

[Joe Sucere]

Yes, I find myself watching Chris. I, I think I spend more time watching just plain old YouTube.

[Chris Reavers]

Yes.

[Joe Sucere]

Than anything else.

[Chris Reavers]

Now they've made it so complicated. It's just easier to pull it up on YouTube.

[Joe Sucere]

You know, if I could get by without having a subscription service, I think my actually ironically My service is YouTube TV that I pay 80 some dollars for. I could get rid of that and just watch regular YouTube. YouTube and be happy as long as I have that illegal sports channel.

[John Hight]

Yep, it's not illegal, but I'm glad it's not.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, I have no idea how it's not, but yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

Thank goodness.

[John Hight]

A 67 million year old Tyrannosaurus rex fossil nicknamed Gus sold this morning Sotheby's auction for $50.1 million. The T Rex was unearthed in South Dakota. 38 foot long specimen and one of the most complete T Rex skeletons ever discovered. Commercial paleontologists began excavating GUS in 2021 on a private ranch within South Dakota's Hell Creek formation where over 95% of T Rex museum specimens have been discovered. Gus was bought by an anonymous buyer, so it's unknown if it'll be housed in a museum setting. Measures about 12 and a half feet tall. 38ft long long skeleton suggest Gus was a very large creature. Lived about 67 million years ago. If you're wondering the old man for dinosaur auction the old man the old record for a dinosaur auction belonged to Apex, a stegosaurus that sold for $44.6 million a couple years ago.

[Kenny Olson]

Put it in your rec room or what do you do?

[John Hight]

I wonder if you're rich enough. I suppose if you got a big big rec room you just put it.

[Kenny Olson]

I wonder why the dinosaurs all settled in South Dakota.

[Joe Sucere]

There is that area by the. It's east of the Black Hills, right?

[Kenny Olson]

I would think so because the Black

[Joe Sucere]

Hills are on the Border Badlands area.

[John Hight]

A Florida man. I'm not too sure about this story, but we'll. We'll move forward with it. Florida man found guilty yesterday of having sex with a vacuum cleaner. Cleaner outside a home in a perm in a gated resort community.

[Kenny Olson]

I didn't have a relationship with a vacuum cleaner.

[Josh Arnold]

That.

[John Hight]

That sort of relationship.

[Kenny Olson]

No. No.

[John Hight]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Sucere]

Good.

[John Hight]

51 year old Kevin Westerholt entered.

[Chris Reavers]

It wasn't physical. It was just more emotional.

[Kenny Olson]

Not Herm. Kenny. It was Kerm.

[Joe Sucere]

Kerm. Oh, I got her name wrong.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[John Hight]

51 year old Kevin Westerholt entered a no contest plea to indeed decent exposure in connection with the incident earlier this year at the Windsor Hills Resort in Kissimmee. Following a plea negotiation with prosecutors, he was sentenced to 12 months probation, fined $271 and ordered to undergo a psychosexual evaluation within the next month.

[Kenny Olson]

Did he have to bring a vacuum with him to the council meeting?

[Joe Sucere]

An evaluation? Who among us hasn't thought about it at least? You know, I. I haven't.

[Kenny Olson]

I haven't.

[John Hight]

Yeah. And not out in the front yard. Westerhold was originally.

[Chris Reavers]

He wanted an audience, is what you're saying.

[John Hight]

Officially charged with a felony. That count was subsequently reduced when he.

[Kenny Olson]

Talking shop vac or.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, well, yeah, the big one, obviously.

[John Hight]

According to police reports, witness provided investigators with pictures and video. Videos. I'll try to be delicate here.

[Kenny Olson]

Sure. I want you to be really delicate.

[Joe Sucere]

Was he doing a ride of cowboy thing? Like he was slapping. Slapping the side of the vacuum cleaner.

[John Hight]

The police report said Westerholt was, quote, pleasuring himself with a vacuum in broad daylight. Witnesses say he was naked from the waist down. The detective. Yeah, a detective in the report said he continued to.

[Kenny Olson]

Whatever.

[John Hight]

Use the handheld section.

[Kenny Olson]

Let's just move on to maybe the next story.

[John Hight]

Well, I.

[Joe Sucere]

Wife was out of town.

[Chris Reavers]

You're assuming there was a wife.

[Kenny Olson]

No, I'm assuming there's a next story.

[Joe Sucere]

No, obviously there was, otherwise he wouldn't be so starved for affection.

[John Hight]

Westerhold live lives with his wife, a nurse. She's in Oviado. Is that. I don't know how to say it. It's a city in Florida, Ovia. About 35 miles away from the Windsor Hills resort. So he was away from home. So maybe that. That enters. Yeah, it enters into it. Possible.

[Kenny Olson]

How would that even work? I don't get it.

[John Hight]

Well, I tried to explain, but you stopped.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, I should stop you.

[Joe Sucere]

When a man. I mean, isn't it obvious?

[Kenny Olson]

I guess I don't want to think about it. Thank you, Johnny.

[Joe Sucere]

You'd rather read a book?

[Kenny Olson]

I'd rather read a book. Rather read a book.

[Joe Sucere]

Thanks.

[Kenny Olson]

Thank you, John.

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah,

[Kenny Olson]

This guy wears many hats.

[Chris Reavers]

We're just not indoors. Joe Sushere, quick shout out to the Hoffman Water family. Thank you so much for the fourth of July gift. You guys would have really enjoyed the the cheese curds. You guys would have really enjoyed the sausages. Unfortunately, they didn't make them out of the building, so I just took care

[Kenny Olson]

of it for you all who didn't make it out of the building.

[Chris Reavers]

The gift pack sent by Jim and the entire team at Hofferman Water thanking all the support from the garagelogic podcast. So I just took care of it. I figured that was probably best for everybody involved. Anyway, Hofferman Water and Connecticut are here for you and they want to help upgrade the quality of the water inside of your home. They did that for me. That's how this relationship started. I was a customer of Hofferman Water and Kinetico and it's been a great relationship for, for, boy, almost a decade now. And it's going to make an amazing difference in the quality of your water. But you have to get on that schedule. Right now is a great time. We're in the midst of summer. Get on the schedule. Call them up directly at 612-895-2440. Or better yet, book your appointment online at hoffermanwater.com and as long as you're on that website, you can see every single different water treatment system that they have to offer, whether it's a new water softener, an iron rust and odor filtration system, or a brand new drinking water system or, you know, treat yourself and get all of them. Why not? You only live once. Hoffermanwater.com they have been proudly serving the state of Minnesota for over 50 years. Please do me a favor and mention that you heard about them right here on the Garage Logic podcast.

[Kenny Olson]

It apparently already transpired. Trans.

[Chris Reavers]

You can't get fooled again.

[Kenny Olson]

They already held it. The comments by Sheriff Bob Fletcher, Ramsey County Sheriff Sheriff. He pointed out that there is some Somali gang activity that needs to be curtailed some and he's really been getting a lot of backlash on that. And there was a press conference put out yesterday that said Somali American elected officials and community leaders will hold a press conference regarding comments made by Bob Fletcher during the July 6 broadcast of his YouTube program Live on Patrol. That press conference was this morning. Morning. The Somali American partnership is unequivocal violence must be confronted. Those who cause harm must be held accountable. And every family deserves to live in safety. Somali families, faith leaders, educators, community organizations and elected officials have long worked to prevent violence and support young people across the Twin Cities. And then they. But public safety is not advanced by sensationalizing violence, making sweeping generalizations about Somali youth. I did not hear Fletcher make a sweeping generalization or using the authority of public office to publicly lecture and stigmatize the entire community. That's not what Fletcher did. He specifically pointed out, I am not indicting the community. I'm talking about Somali youth gangs. The press conference will make clear that the choice is not between denying violence and stigmatizing a community. Minnesota can address violence directly, correctly, hold individuals accountable, invest in prevention and build durable partnerships, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, without racializing crime or placing Somali families under collective suspicion. Fletcher did not do that. This rhetoric is especially dangerous in the current environment. Somali Minnesotans have already endured escalating political attacks, dehumanizing national rhetoric, federal enforcement actions, and the public targeting of Somali children. Fletcher didn't have anything to do with any of that. Statements by law enforcement officials cannot be separated from that broader climate. Well, yes, they can. Yes, they can. But for your political purposes, you don't wish them separated. So who spoke at this thing? Omar Fateh.

[Joe Sucere]

Shocking.

[Kenny Olson]

State Senator Omar Fateh. City Council Member Jamal Osman?

[Joe Sucere]

No.

[Kenny Olson]

State Representative Mohammad Noor.

[Joe Sucere]

Really?

[Kenny Olson]

Additional Somali American community Faith, youth and organizational leaders advise members of the Twin Cities Somali community. And that was today at the outside St. Paul City hall and Ramsey County Courthouse. Okay. And it was, I guess, sponsored by Somali American Partnership. Well, once again, I had my little rant about this late last week, if not yesterday. You doth protest too much. Somali leaders. Leaders.

[Joe Sucere]

Wouldn't they be better served by admitting, yes, there is a problem. Let's tackle this together. Somali leaders, along with law enforcement. Let's. Let's take care of this so we no longer bring critical. The people's critical eye to our situation or whatever I'm trying to say. You can rephrase it.

[Chris Reavers]

That's always been. My complaint is why we. Why we refuse to acknowledge there's a problem.

[Kenny Olson]

Why are they not immune from scrutiny? Why are they not immune from consequences? Not the Somali community. The bad Somali kids acting out. And the Somalis acknowledge that. Yeah, we got to wrap up the crime. Okay, but then you use your entire press conference, and I'm sure you use the entire press, your press release, and I'm sure I'll see video footage of your press conference. In which you're not going to tell me that. You're going to tell me how unfairly Somalis are being treated. I'm remaining calm here.

[Joe Sucere]

I just don't understand why we can't take care of it together. Why not take your connections to law enforcement and work together to solve this? Explain that to me.

[Kenny Olson]

Joe Black this. The Twin Cities Crime Watch had a countering press conference. They point out the black community has been called out for gangs to terrorize the north side. Many have been prosecuted in sent away. The Asian community has been called out for gangs in St. Paul. They've taken accountability to address the issue. Why are the Somali special. You are not immune from scrutiny and accountability. Many of you are ignoring your young people and letting them run wild. That is on you. Stop being in denial. I would, I would agree with that. Stop being in denial. So in fact, all. I never, never, never went out of his way to point out anything except we have some Somali youth violence problems.

[Joe Sucere]

All I can do is speculate and I'm wondering if the, if in fact these kids were probably born here and they're citizens, are their parents, is this from being raised in living in Somalia where this sort of thing is the norm, could that be it?

[Kenny Olson]

I don't know. We've got Asian gangs, we've got Hmongs, we've got black gangs, we've got Somali gangs that, you know, the gang ideology is, well, works across all ethnic lines and racial lines.

[Chris Reavers]

But to come after a guy like Sheriff Fletcher, he's about as straight a shooter as we have.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, they need somebody and it doesn't matter who it is. They're going to come again. You know, Amy could have said this. It doesn't matter who's saying it. If somebody says that they're going to come out against it.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, a, Amy would not have said it and B, if she did some how, she would not be attacked.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, I begged the difference.

[Kenny Olson]

I hope you're right. I hope you're right. Say we have a controversy on the latest food fraud in guilty plea. According to a CBS News story, the 78th person charged in the Feeding Our future fraud scheme is pled guilty. Abdirasheed Bixie Dool, D o O l pleaded guilty to one count of wire fraud. Six other counts and he was federally charged. He was federally charged with last November. Three counts of wire fraud and three counts of engaging in monetary transaction in property derived from specified unlawful activity are expected to be dropped as part of a plea agreement. According to court documents, he was 36 years old when he was indicted. But the center of the American experiment, which has really kept close track of this. This is by Bill Glahn said he's the 64th defendant to plead guilty. So I gotta go with Glahn. I can't go with anybody except Glenn. He's been on top of it. This is one of the characters who claimed he was feeding 40,000 kids a week and ended up buying car and houses and stole the money. But I don't know why we go from this. I'm sorry. Conviction number 69. He was the 69th conviction. But Channel 4 for some reason lists him as the 78th conviction. No, I get it now. He was the 78th person charged. Now go to Gland. He was the 69th person. Person convicted. I think I got it now. Okay. I think I got it. 69 people have been convicted, 78 have been charged and duel. He had a great deal of fun with the money. He claimed he was feeding a lot of kids and of course he was not. And we, we all have that.

[Joe Sucere]

Meanwhile, it sounds like it's not too easy to extradite these folks from Somalia back to the US to face charges.

[Kenny Olson]

I don't think there's a system for that.

[Joe Sucere]

And if, and if one, if there is one, they're resisting it in the Somalia.

[Kenny Olson]

And I believe Walls has formally form. Oh, wait, I didn't want to do that right now. Wait, I. I have another fraudster now. This one maybe we could can be for more more familiar with. This is a gal named Jill Mertens. She. She was former Miss North Dakota. She was a Miss America contestant. She's 43 now. She's a Hamill, Minnesota resident. She's a singer, a pastor and an evangelist. And going back even further, a pageant star. In 2001, she competed in the Miss America pageant after being crowned Miss North Dakota.

[Chris Reavers]

I think I'm friends with her on Facebook.

[Kenny Olson]

But it is Mertens venture into the childcare industry that brought her to court. State records show that in 2016, Mertens began registering daycares Creative Stars Academy, Childcare and Learning center and Cason, Minnesota, a second Creative Stars location in Rochester and a Tree of Life Academy in Ramsey. All three childcare centers received several complaints and violations in recent years, according to state data. During that time, Mertens was also defrauding a taxpayer funded program to help pay teachers at childcare centers like hers. Okay, starting next year. Mertens admits to filing. Oh wait. Governor Wall signed the Great Start Compensation Support Payment program into in 2023. I don't know what the hell that is?

[Joe Sucere]

I've never heard of it until now.

[Kenny Olson]

The new ones from Wallsey?

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Starting the next year, Mertens admitted to filing grant applications claiming 23 teachers didn't actually work that. Claiming 23 teachers who didn't actually work there. Inflating the hours of. Inflating the hours worked by another 11 employees for a total theft of 426 grand. It's just very disheartening to see in the community that we have someone would even consider doing this, said Joe McInerney of Mantorville. He and his wife put down a non refundable deposit with Mertens last year to hold a spot for their unborn child. I mean, everything looked like it was smooth, he said. And they didn't realize Merten's then filed for bankruptcy and transferred ownership of the cast on daycare last fall before the Fed's investigative took place. So she. She got herself in a bit of a jam here.

[Joe Sucere]

Read that next paragraph. It's. I want to know your opinion on what they went on to say.

[Kenny Olson]

We had no idea she was committing any fraud. We didn't have any idea. The day came care was in any financial hardship. McInerney said hopefully she has had some time to think about what she did and pay back her debts.

[Joe Sucere]

What do you think about that last sentence?

[Kenny Olson]

I don't know that she's worried about that. Jill and her attorney declined to comment after the guilty.

[Joe Sucere]

Joe, isn't that so typical? I don't know. Scandinavian kind of looking at your feet.

[Kenny Olson]

All right.

[Joe Sucere]

Sure hope she learned a lesson there.

[Kenny Olson]

The guidelines call for two years in prison, but the judge will have a lot of discretion. All of her daycares, including the Casson one where the ownership transferred, have now been closed.

[Joe Sucere]

So we have our first blonde.

[Kenny Olson]

It's a blonde and. And quite a fall from Miss America contestant, isn't it? John, you're from North Dakota. Do you know Jill?

[John Hight]

I do not know Jill, but I was wondering.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah, you'd think you would have.

[Kenny Olson]

You think you might have known her.

[Josh Arnold]

How.

[Joe Sucere]

How can you not when you.

[John Hight]

When you saw her eyebrows. Kenny, I'm not sure she really is a blonde.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, I have just mean, John. That's just mean.

[Kenny Olson]

First, that's the first food fraudster whose name. Well, it's a daycare fraudster whose name I could pronounce.

[Joe Sucere]

Jill.

[Kenny Olson]

Jill Martins.

[John Hight]

Mertens.

[Kenny Olson]

Mertens. He couldn't pronounce it only because they come to us all the way from Marleth park in Pumalanga, South Africa, from the Trav. It was on this day, Joe.

[Chris Reavers]

Today is July 14, 1864.

[Kenny Olson]

Four Minnesota regiments finally defeated their old nemesis, Nathan Bedford Forrest in a battle at Tupelo, Mississippi. The 7th Minnesota Regiment played the largest role and lost 62 men. Colonel Alexander Wilkin of the 9th Minnesota Regiment was killed, making him Minnesota's highest ranking casualties in the Civil War. On this day, July 14, 1901, a special act of the legislature released Jim and Cole Younger from the Minnesota State Prison in Stillwater. They had been incarcerated for the murder of an employee during the Northfield bank raid. Jim committed suicide in St. Paul, but Cole would tour on a Wild west show with Frank James, lecturing on what my life is to. He died in 1915, his body still holding seven bullets. On this day, July 14th in 1924, Lawrence S. Donaldson, founder of the first department store in the Northwest, died in Minneapolis. On this day, July 14th in 1948, Hubert H. Humphrey gave a rousing speech on the subject of civil rights for African Americans at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. Humphrey opposed an effort by Harry Truman supporters to put a weak civil rights plank in the Democratic platform in order to carry the Southern states. The speech marked the beginning of Humphrey's rise to national attention and was a turning point in the Democratic Party's shift from a generally segregationist party to one advocating full legal rights for minorities.

[Joe Sucere]

Back to that Cole Younger story. Do you remember the very end of True Grit? The Coen brothers version?

[John Hight]

Yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

He was featured prominently.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, that's right.

[Joe Sucere]

Where later in her life, they were

[Kenny Olson]

in a western show.

[Joe Sucere]

Yeah. As an elderly lady, she went to visit Rooster.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Joe Sucere]

And ran into Younger. And Rooster had just died.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

That's a great movie.

[Kenny Olson]

On this day, July 14th in 1991, the Twins retired number six, formerly worn by slugger Tony Oliva, who was the 1964American League Rookie of the Year and three time American League batting champion. And God only knows what he would have accomplished with better knee surgeries or

[Chris Reavers]

sprinklers that didn't stick out of the ground.

[Kenny Olson]

On this day in sports disappointment history.

[Chris Reavers]

Joe, who'd we lose to on July 4th?

[Kenny Olson]

In 1944, the Millerettes unknowingly played their last home game at Nicollet park before becoming a permanent road team. They beat Milwaukee 7 to 6 on this day, July 14, in 2010, Kahn. Who's Kahn? David Kahn. David Kahn compared Darko to Chris Weber. Uncomfortable conversation. Good luck. I don't know what any of that means.

[Chris Reavers]

He said it on the air when Chris Webber was doing the game. And it Was, was. It was mocked thoroughly.

[Kenny Olson]

What did he say?

[Chris Reavers]

He compared Darko to Chris Weber.

[Kenny Olson]

What is Darko?

[Joe Sucere]

Is Darko some kind of superhero?

[Chris Reavers]

He was a very, very underwhelming second overall pick that the Tim rolls acquired.

[Joe Sucere]

Oh, he's a human.

[Chris Reavers]

It would be like comparing me to Joe in terms of talk show host ability.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay, I think.

[Joe Sucere]

Well, that's insulting to both of you. Thank you.

[Kenny Olson]

G Ellers.

[John Hight]

Insulting us for hearing it.

[Kenny Olson]

That's right. Thank you. Thank you very much.

[Chris Reavers]

Do us a a favor and smash that like button and hit subscribe on the Garagelogic YouTube channel where you can watch the show every single day starting at noon. And you can also see full segments. There's video shorts, there's behind the scenes footage. Just search garagelogic, that's two words on YouTube and search for us on all of our social media channels. That includes Facebook, Instagram and X. And also if you haven't done so, sign up for the Daily Logician. That's a free newsletter that comes right to your inbox every single day and it includes the most recent episode of the podcast. Find out more and sign up today [e-mail]. It is time once again that we check in with our guy, Mr. Money Talk. Josh Arnold is with us once again right here in Garage Logic. And now is the time for you to do the same. So do not delay, do exactly what I did and pick up that phone and down the 952-925-5608. That number once again is 952-925-5608. When you call that number, you are going to get Josh and he is there for you for that. Free. Yep, I use the word free. 48 minute financial consultation with absolutely zero obligation. And he will always give you the straight talk. He will never give you the sugar coated advice. And he is on the line with us once again right here in garagelogic. And boy, Josh, inflation is down in June. Oil has dropped off big. Banks started reporting earning better than expected and IBM drew a negative surprise right now.

[Josh Arnold]

Well, surprise, surprise, surprise. There are probably a bunch of surprises today. Let's start on the inflation front, Chris. The June CPI number came out much lower than had been expected both on a year over year and a month basis as the price of oil in June dropped and dropped significantly. And speaking of oil, we had we'll say it up over opening in oil, but as news reports came out, especially with the President dropping his idea of a 20% charge to move product out of the street of Hormuz, the price of oil retreated significantly. The price of oil went down. Well I'm not going to say that that helped the market overall, but it did help a lot of technology stock start start moving up as it removed a little bit more the fear of the Fed raising interest though that that topic is still on the horizon. The Fed does have a meeting next week right in the I'll say right in the heart earnings season. And I do think the Fed is going to be a little bit more more strict when it comes to fighting in inflation. I think it's not so much going to be a wait and see attitude, but I think they're at least going to talk tough related to inflation and interest. Interest rate though it is my estimation that interest rates will remain flat, could remain flat for the balance balance of the year with inflation coming down. That is a big plus for consumers. And the plus for consumers seem to be confirmed somewhat by bank earnings. So a lot of the bank earnings and the bank positive report particularly from JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs and Wells Fargo did have to do with some of their underwriting related to fundraising for companies around both artificial intelligence and new issues as well as bond issuance. Now just a little note on this. I am not a bank bank investor and banks have been on a big big run over the over the past month. So we'll take Wells Fargo as an example. Wells Fargo be line, bottom line showed a lot more efficiency. The stock declined. Wells Fargo Stock is up 10% in a month which is a pretty, pretty big move for the bank. The move in bank stock stock prices after a big move just like the moves big moves that we've seen in technology companies where they'll run up into the numbers. The numbers are good and in many cases great. But guidance will say is not good enough. The beat is not strong enough. You'll see some profit taking and do pay attention to that as we move into earnings season over the next, over the next several weeks. So banks, banks are on tap today and we'll see say very nice reports. The biggest move from the banks on the upside came from Goldman Sachs as its stock jumped $75 a share. But since Goldman Sachs has been on the move that accounted for maybe a 7% move on the downside. And this was the other surprise. We'll say bank surprise, you know, positively at least in my view and again I'm not a bank investor but the negative surprise came from a pre announcement from IBM and you normally see pre announcements. It'll usually come a week to two weeks before company's report and they can be both a positive surprise or a negative surprise. And this was a negative surprise to the market. Knocking, knocking IBM stock down 25%. That is the worst one day move an IBM stock in we'll say in years. Years as IBM said they were going to be short on revenue, short on earnings and they blamed blame this on companies or their customers moving spending to infrastructure rather than we'll say software and consulting. What is the infrastructure? Well companies have been trying to get ahead of price increases on chips, servers and we'll say other types of computer power to fund, we'll say fund data and data storage solutions as well as for artificial intelligence. And that did not leave enough money left over to I'll say for other projects. And IBM's move down 25% also had a negative impact on Salesforce.com and Microsoft. Microsoft by the way has been flirting in a bear market for many, many months now. We'll have to wait to see what their response is when they report their earnings next, next week. So an interesting day. We'll say overall banks up, IBM down and heck even favorite Apple which got a big upgrade yesterday, pushing it to new highs today. Now they get a, a big downgrade. I'm not going to say on the same news but on pretty much the same same news. This analyst knocking Apple said that he is concerned that rising prices will hurt Apple's, Apple's customers and therefore hurt their higher margin business going forward. Plus he said Apple stock is too expensive on a price to earnings basis. Me, as you're well aware, Apple is my largest, my largest holding, my family's largest holding, my client's largest holding and I have a price target at $400 share that is not going straight up from $314 a share where it currently sits because there's going to be a lot of volatility around, around this, this name. How do I get there? Well just take a look at the free cash flow that this company has. Take a look at the continual share buybacks which is beneficial to shareholders. Take a look at the new products which are heavily in demand and they have a new, we'll say a new product cycle coming. And yes they are at slightly higher, higher prices prices and yes even people who keep their phones longer are still increasing both their spending at the, at the App Store. And I'll say, or maybe I should say, I don't know about you but I am constantly increasing, increasing and paying for it, the amount of storage I have and paying for that, that storage, storage space whether it's up in the cloud or on my phone because you may be like me. You take a lot of pictures and you gotta store those pictures and other sorts of data.

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[Josh Arnold]

Look forward to it. Thanks Chris.

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