7/23 Did you know that the inspiration for Mickey Mouse was racist?

Summary

GARAGE LOGIC: July 23, 2026 Episode Summary
Hosted by: Joe Soucheray (“The Mayor”), Chris Reavers, Kenny Olson, John Height, Josh Arnold
Main Theme:
Exploring cultural revisionism and “woke” reinterpretation in American history and pop culture, focusing on the controversy around the origins of Mickey Mouse. The show also covers Minneapolis public schools’ financial chaos, ongoing crime and public safety issues in Minnesota, the threat of AI technology, and other news and quirks from Gumption County.

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Episode Overview
This episode digs into current debates about how American institutions like the Smithsonian represent history—specifically the claim that Mickey Mouse’s roots are “racist.” The team brings their classic Garage Logic skepticism and humor to the “wokeism” discourse, government mismanagement, and what “common sense” can offer instead.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Remembering The Twin Cities Superstorm (03:19–05:11)

• Hosts recount the massive storm and flooding from July 23–24, 1987, which demolished parts of the metro:
  • “Thunderstorm winds of 60 to 80 miles an hour and prolonged extreme rainfall rates…most significant flash flooding ever observed in the area.” – Joe Soucheray (04:20)
  • Reflections on city infrastructure upgrades post-storm, personal storm memories, and witty back-and-forth on storm impacts.

Somali Youth Gang Violence & Community Response (05:35–08:12)

• Discussion about Sheriff Bob Fletcher’s meeting with the Somali community, efforts to address youth gang issues, and optimism about collaborative law enforcement:
  • “The fact that the Somali community is actually willing to sit down and address a problem, that’s a ray of hope.” – Joe Soucheray (07:17)
  • Sheriff Fletcher’s focus on getting kids out of gangs is praised as “a ray of hope.”

Smithsonian & The “Racist” Roots of Mickey Mouse (08:12–17:38)

• Recap of a Congressional grilling over Smithsonian exhibits claiming Steamboat Willie (the original Mickey Mouse) has roots in blackface minstrelsy.
  • “An accompanying note read that Mickey’s outsized facial features, white gloves and trickster temperament were vestiges of long standing traditions of blackface and minstrelsy.” – Joe Soucheray quoting the exhibit (10:20)
  • The crew debates whether this interpretation is “revisionist” and questions the value and accuracy of such updates to cultural history.
  • “Apparently, we’re supposed to believe that minstrel acts were somehow degrading to the people who performed them. Is that what I’m supposed to take?” – Chris Reavers (14:07)
  • “None of us knew that Mickey Mouse might have had its origins in minstrelsy…My mind is not in the racial gutter.” – Chris Reavers (15:15)
  • The value of acknowledging uncomfortable history is balanced against a weariness over perceived “darkness all the time” in American narratives.

American Historical Revisionism & Ken Burns (12:08–13:41)

• Ken Burns’ approach to American history through the lens of race is discussed.
  • “Everything Ken Burns has done has been to complain about America…he is a historian, yeah. But everything has a heavy dose of how foul of people we’ve been throughout history.” – Chris Reavers (12:29)
  • John Height argues that for jazz, at least, race is an honest lens, but the group overall seems skeptical about focusing history through relentless negativity.

The Peanut Gallery & Lingering “Woke” Controversies (18:51–20:26)

• A thread on how seemingly innocuous phrases (“peanut gallery”) are re-examined for racist origins.
  • “The peanut gallery, I think, had something to do with minstrelsy.” – Chris Reavers (18:51)
  • Ultimately, the team agrees this searching for darkness is never-ending and mostly aggravates ordinary Americans.

Minneapolis Public Schools’ Financial Mess (28:01–42:38)

• Extended analysis of an investigative report on Minneapolis Public Schools’ incompetent financial oversight:
  • “If there’s not outright fraud...there is certainly the state level of incompetence that would allow fraud to exist.” – Chris Reavers (28:58)
  • Criticisms of hiring expensive consultants, chronic deficits, and a lack of consequences for mismanagement:
    • “When you’re playing with public money and you face no consequences...there are bound to be these horrible oversights.” – Chris Reavers (36:44)
  • The segment ends with reference to “Hanlon’s Razor”—don’t attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity—and frustration at a lack of financial accountability.

Minneapolis Crime and Public Safety Theater (46:36–51:00)

• Play and critique of a city council member’s non-answers about recent gun violence:
  • “Utter BS...He didn’t say anything.” – John Height & Chris Reavers (49:38)
  • Emphasis on the lack of concrete plans and the community’s need for real solutions rather than bureaucratic platitudes.

Ongoing Local News—Accountability & Governance (51:04–58:18)

• News updates on the sentencing of Vance Belter, crime stories, former senator Nicole Mitchell’s bid for office despite a past burglary conviction, and skepticism about voters’ attention spans:
  • “If the people of Woodbury vote for this absolute fruitcake, you deserve everything you get.” – Chris Reavers (56:20)
  • The team points to a trend of politicians facing minimal or no consequences for transgressions.

AI Panic and Technology Skepticism (65:55–74:04)

• Breaking news of OpenAI’s AI agents “escaping” a testing sandbox and hacking another AI system, provoking anxiety:
  • “Joe, this is the number one thing in the world you should be frightened of right now.” – Kenny Olson (68:02)
  • “You could throw away your computers and your phone and it will still affect your life.” – Kenny Olson (68:23)
  • The group is divided between indifference and alarm, agreeing that AI is now an unstoppable force infiltrating daily life.

Minnesota Historical Stories & Sports Trivia (79:29–86:41)

• The panel shares Minnesota “On This Day” facts, from treaties and lynchings to defunct horse-drawn fire engines, the “Blueberry War,” POW farm workers, sports disappointments, Vikings refusing bird-safe glass for a stadium, and now-distant memories of a U2 concert.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “My mind is not in the racial gutter. Now you want to come to me and you want to tell me though, boy, I better look at Mickey a whole lot different than I used to.” – Chris Reavers (15:15)
• “Evil racist. But this is never gonna end. There’s always gonna be a means to find something which for the vast majority of the American public, I think they all just said, well, there’s not a problem here. Why are we trying to make one out of nothing?” – Joe Soucheray (19:44)
• “You owe no one an accounting of your achievements. Therefore, maybe there are no achievements. There is no consequence for your behavior.” – Chris Reavers (37:31)
• “No. Keen, aggressive financial oversight should be at the top of your program. Keen, aggressive financial oversight. No deficits. Budget correctly.” – Chris Reavers (41:00)
• “It’s only as good as the people who load it. So garbage in, garbage out.” – Chris Reavers, on AI (67:49)
• “Joe, this is the number one thing in the world you should be frightened of right now.” – Kenny Olson (68:02)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [03:19–05:11] — Remembering the 1987 Storm
• [05:35–08:12] — Somali Community Gang Issue & Sheriff Fletcher
• [08:12–17:38] — Smithsonian, Mickey Mouse & Minstrelsy
• [28:01–42:38] — Minneapolis Schools Financial Scandal
• [46:36–51:00] — Violent Weekend in Minneapolis & City Hall Response
• [65:55–74:04] — OpenAI AI Escape & Tech Panic

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Garage Logic’s Tone Blunt, sardonic, filled with local references, and always leaning on “common sense” to challenge what they see as ideological extremes or bureaucratic nonsense. Frequent ribbing and interruptions underscore a lively, real “garage” atmosphere.

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Useful for Listeners Who Missed the Show
If you want a rundown of Minnesota’s latest political, cultural, and financial drama—from a “logic and gumption” point of view—and a taste of skepticism toward both history revisionism and government competence, this is a classic Garage Logic episode you shouldn’t miss.

Transcript

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[Chris Reavers]

Josh Arnold, Investment Consultant brings you Garagelogic podcast number 1816 July 23, 2026 very important weather day. Let's see if you know what happened on this day. 100 was the record day was the record. Let's see, the record high on this day was 105. That was 1934 and the record low on this day was 47 degrees in 1876. Call Josh Arnold at 952-925-5608 for a free 48 minute consultation.

[Joe Soucheray]

Hail the Flashlight King.

[Chris Reavers]

Hail you and now from the mayor's office above the boathouse on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's garage with Chris Reavers manning technology corner, Kenny Olson from the crabby coffee shop, John Height in the newsroom and of course the rookie here is your flashlight king fireworks commissioner and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Joe Sushore. It was on this day.

[Joe Soucheray]

Today is July 23rd.

[Chris Reavers]

In 1987, we had one hell of a man memorable storm. Freeways were flooded and all hell broke loose. 9.15 inches of rain, what? Around 6, 7 o' clock at night?

[Joe Soucheray]

In the Metro.

[Chris Reavers]

In the metro.

[Josh Arnold]

Wow.

[Chris Reavers]

Freeways were flooded.

[Kenny Olson]

I wonder if this is what led to that huge, huge storm evacuation system they now have installed on 35W in South Minneapolis.

[Chris Reavers]

Probably, yeah. Don't you guys remember that?

[Kenny Olson]

I remember the freeway being flooded a number of times in the late 80s and early 90s.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, 1987 on this day. I remember watching it arrive. Just the wall cloud and the rain.

[Joe Soucheray]

How about this? The DNR has a story on their website recalling the Twin Cities superstorm of July 23rd through the 24th.

[Chris Reavers]

I don't recall it going to the next day.

[Joe Soucheray]

Thunderstorm winds of 60 to 80 miles an hour and prolonged extreme rainfall rates that led to most significant flash flooding ever observed in the area. Yeah, the great Twin Cities superstorm of July.

[Chris Reavers]

John, you don't remember that or were you here in 87?

[John Height]

I did not live here in 87.

[Chris Reavers]

Okay. Oh, and Kenny, you were about 6.

[Kenny Olson]

No, I was actually living in south Minneapolis.

[John Height]

This is not the storm with the tornado that Karen Levin chased, is it?

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, I can help you.

[Chris Reavers]

Different storm.

[Joe Soucheray]

When all storm activity subsided early on July 24, parts of Maple Grove and Brooklyn park lay flattened by tornado winds. Local hills had turned into vicious cascades and excessive rainwater. Stretches of highways and interstates had become raging rivers. Isolated homes from south Minneapolis all the way to Eden Prairie had collapsed.

[Chris Reavers]

Wow, she was a doozy.

[Joe Soucheray]

Thousands of basements were flooded. Hundreds of cars were stranded and submerged in deep water over dozens, if not hundreds of linear miles of area.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, here's the most amazing memory I have of it. I didn't get a drop of water in my basement.

[Joe Soucheray]

So it didn't storm.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, it stormed. I see a storm.

[Kenny Olson]

You know it was a storm if such acknowledges.

[John Height]

Yeah, that it was.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, apparently all you Smart Alex.

[John Height]

Smart Alex.

[Chris Reavers]

I'll tell you, many people acknowledging that this existed. What, what happened yesterday on Krabby. I understand that Sheriff Fletcher was very accommodating. He's under the gun because the Somali community doesn't like that. He points out Somali youth gang violence.

[Kenny Olson]

They had a very productive meeting on Tuesday night, a community meeting where they all actually came together. And Sheriff Fletcher provided proof that there is, in fact, a Somali gang problem. And then most of the residents and everybody in attendance decided to work together. And they're going to try to help law enforcement or let law enforcement help them get this worked out. So I think we're on the road to recovery as far as that goes. What happened? That was the most shocking thing he said to me, and it was really a compliment to the Krabby Coffee Shop and Jay Coles and Kenny Olson. Towards the end, as we were wrapping things up, Sheriff Fletcher thanked us for having him on the podcast. He said, this is the first podcast that I've been a guest on.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, he's been on this show about a hundred times.

[Kenny Olson]

He said, that doesn't count. He said, this is the first sit down meeting where he's been on again on a podcast. And he really appreciates us inviting him on.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, he's full of B, as in bs.

[Kenny Olson]

He's Sheriff Bob Fletcher, and I will take his word over anybody else's word. He also said, see at the fair, so you better call Fletch. And he wants to be on gl.

[Joe Soucheray]

Isn't that somewhat of a ray of hope?

[Chris Reavers]

He's been on gl.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah. Has he, though?

[Chris Reavers]

Well, by phone.

[Joe Soucheray]

But isn't that somewhat of a ray of hope?

[Chris Reavers]

What?

[Joe Soucheray]

The fact that. Because I know part of the issue, at least in my opinion, is the fact that there are so many people unwilling to acknowledge that there's an actual problem because they either point the finger at whatever it is, well, Trump or whatever. The fact that the Somali community is actually willing to sit down and address a problem, that's a ray of hope.

[Kenny Olson]

What's interesting about. If you're gonna. If you're gonna insist on making this a serious conversation. I'm not.

[Chris Reavers]

I wanna move on.

[Kenny Olson]

What's. What's interesting about Sheriff Fletcher is that for as long as I've known about him, his main goal has been to help kids get kids out of gangs, get them leading productive and, you know, fun lives. And I remember many times where he's come on just to talk about that very topic. But I think it was when you were a radio show, because he's never been on a podcast before.

[Chris Reavers]

Okay, I can solve that problem. The Smithsonian has come under some criticism from the Trump administration. The Trump administration has made part of its efforts, has made efforts to reject the idea that wokeism has infiltrated too much of American life, parks and what have you and the Smithsonian. And I'm not going to weigh in. I love the Smithsonian Channel on television. I love the fact that we have a Smithsonian Institution and they, they're the, they're the keeper of the American story. But they, they do occasionally veer off into. Well, I'll give you an example. The. Where is it? Here. The Republicans on a committee. Let's find the committee. This is in the London Telegraph. It's been making some news that the Trump administration is grilling the people who run the Smithsonian, accusing it of woke ideology and distorting the past. So we have a committee on this. Forgive me, I'm trying to figure out the committee. What boy, I apologize that I can't find the committee Oversight and Government Reform Subcommittee. So Tuesday of this week there was a meeting of the Government Oversight and Government Reform Subcommittee and they brought in Anthea Hartig and Thea Hartig. She's the director of the National Museum of American history, one of 21 different museums that make up the modern day Smithsonian. So she's a big shot. That's a pretty significant part of the Smithsonian is the National Museum of American History that is also the most prominent. It sits on Constitutional Avenue just a mile from Congress and it's dedicated to telling the entire American story under one roof. And the hearing focused on Republican claims that the museum was promoting a divisive, politically Democratic, tenditious revision of American history. Critiques which have also been made by President Trump himself. A particular. This is the only part I want to talk about. A particular flashpoint came when Republican Brandon Gill asked Anthea Hartig about an exhibit in the museum's Entertainment Nation gallery about Steamboat Willie, the animated Disney character who became the blueprint for Mickey Mouse. Well, let me stop right there. I didn't know that's how Mickey came about. I didn't know Steamboat Willie was the. Was the inspiration. An accompanying note read that Mickey's outsized facial features, white gloves and trickster temperament were vestiges of long standing traditions of blackface and minstrelsy. Minstrelsy. So Mickey Mouse is rooted in racism? Gill asked Harding. Sure, it's rooted in minstrelsy, replied Harding, while denying that Mickey himself was racist. Okay, that's all I wanted to say.

[Kenny Olson]

Some of the accusations they've made against her in the Smithsonian kind of echo what you say. Maybe off the air I shouldn't bring it up about Ken Burns and his documentaries and how he always seems to bring up the racism part of.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, everything.

[Kenny Olson]

Go ahead.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, everything Ken Burns has done has been to complain about America. I mean, he passes himself off as this. And he is a brilliant filmmaker. Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

And he is a historian.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. But everything is, is, is got a heavy dose of. Of how foul of people we've been throughout history. Look at this racism in baseball. Look at this racism in jazz. Look at this racism in Prohibition. Look at this racism in the Civil War. On and on and on and on.

[Kenny Olson]

In, in a lot of times he's right. Well, yeah, I have to say, a lot of times he's right.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. But it gets.

[Kenny Olson]

Especially baseball.

[Chris Reavers]

Can I just stick to Mickey?

[John Height]

Jazz is based basically on racism.

[Chris Reavers]

I people. It doesn't have anything to do with racism.

[John Height]

And if you listen to jazz from 1950 to 1970, what was every movement about in jazz?

[Chris Reavers]

I don't know. I'm not a jazz guy.

[John Height]

Okay, well, never mind then. We won't talk about it.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, what was it for those that.

[John Height]

Well, it was based on black people trying to get some rights and the rage that they had. And you know, that's.

[Kenny Olson]

He's right on.

[Chris Reavers]

Okay, the point is then that I'm right. Ken Burns touches everything he does has an. Is a very significant component of racism.

[Kenny Olson]

Back to Mickey, which you wanted to talk about. I did know that. That Steamboat Willie was the origin of Mickey Mouse. I didn't see. Maybe because I'm just a dumb, naive Swede from the North. I didn't see the blackface thing and the white gloves until just now when she brought it up. I thought Steamboat Willie was just a poor drawing of what turned into.

[Chris Reavers]

I can answer your question, which is exactly why I brought this up. None of us knew that Mickey Mouse might have had its origins in minstrelsy. Apparently we're supposed to believe that minstrel acts were somehow degrading to the people who performed them. Is that what I'm supposed to take?

[John Height]

No, to the people they depicted. Yeah, not to the people. Step and fetch minstrel.

[Kenny Olson]

Did you see that with Steamboat Willie?

[John Height]

I never did, but I also knew about Mickey's Mellor drama, which was a Uncle Tom's Cabin thing they did in the 30s. I know because a couple years ago Disney took that out of circulation and they're all in blackface with big white beards.

[Chris Reavers]

And you know, it's so as every 10 year old kid in America now supposed to look at Mickey and be educated to say, son, don't forget that has its origins in racism. Is that where we are?

[John Height]

I don't think so. But I also don't think. I also think too big of things get made of stuff. This is literally one sentence on a wall at the Smithsonian.

[Chris Reavers]

Right, I agree. But the answer to Kenny's question. I did. Am I just a dumb. Sweetie, I didn't know this. This country is full of people who want to inform you of darkness all the time. I didn't. My mind is not in the racial gutter. Now you want to come to me and you want to tell me, though, boy, I better look at Mickey a whole lot different than I used to.

[John Height]

But we also have a segment of the government, even right now, that is trying to get rid of that history. Witness the national parks where they took down anything that mentioned race, anything that was in a historical market.

[Chris Reavers]

I don't think that should be done.

[John Height]

No, I don't either. But I'm just showing, you know, the other side of where this argument comes from.

[Joe Soucheray]

Can I point out something?

[Chris Reavers]

What?

[Joe Soucheray]

Steamboat Willie.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

The origin of Mickey Mouse.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

Was created by Walt Disney in the late 1920s.

[Chris Reavers]

I'm aware of that.

[Joe Soucheray]

Everybody was black and white. Colored television hadn't been invented till about three decades after that.

[Kenny Olson]

My only problem with Steamboat Willie is just the horrible animation. Remember him doing this?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

And I'm like, can't you do any better than.

[Joe Soucheray]

The steering wheel is like twice the size of his body.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah. And I just thought I was. Well, that's a horrible drawing of Mickey.

[Joe Soucheray]

That leads then. If we're gonna go along that line of thinking, we're then led to believe or trying to believe that Walt Disney had some racial component to what he was trying to create.

[Josh Arnold]

No.

[Chris Reavers]

This conversation never got off at a correct start, which is my fault.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, I think it's very interesting, Joe.

[Chris Reavers]

We're. We're in to. For me. For Anthea Haddig to point out that of course Mickey has his. His creation in minstrelsy. We're in the same arena where a woman walks into a Hobby lobby and says, they. They should. They shouldn't sell cotton balls because that's racist. Yeah. Remember that one?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes.

[Chris Reavers]

That's. That's what I'm trying to point out. That you can. You can get up in the morning and find any. And if all you want to do is point out darkness, you can make it up all day long.

[Kenny Olson]

When you said the cotton ball thing, what immediately jumped into my mind as the guy that witnessed power washing on some steps.

[Joe Soucheray]

Seattle.

[Kenny Olson]

Somewhere in Seattle.

[John Height]

Seattle.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

And he immediately turned that into some Sort of weird act of hatred.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, that's where we got the term power washing. Oh, right, of course. This is power washing.

[Joe Soucheray]

Q tips, Cotton swabs. Racist.

[Chris Reavers]

No, you're. My life would have been perfectly fine without having to now whip myself because Mickey was founded in minstrelsy.

[John Height]

Well, my life would have been perfectly fine if a Republican congressman hadn't had to bring up one sentence on a Smithsonian wall. Well, a sentence that's not factually inaccurate, so.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, I don't even know if it's factually accurate. Well, why are we to assume.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah. Is there proof what we have that

[Chris Reavers]

Mickey Mouse is based on minstrelsy?

[John Height]

Well, you can go to the one cartoon and for sure it's, you know, that's. You're not going to want to watch it. That's why Disney took it out of circulation years ago.

[Chris Reavers]

What was the discussion we had on this show about the peanut gallery? Recall that? That was a power washing. The peanut gallery, I think had something to do with minstrelsy that I can't. We didn't find it before the show. We tried to, but the.

[John Height]

The phrase refers to the cheapest, highest balcony seats in theaters.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. You pay peanuts for those tickets.

[John Height]

Only section where black patro were actually permitted to sit.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[John Height]

In the early 1900s.

[Chris Reavers]

But it had. But to call it the peanut gallery had nothing to do with racism.

[John Height]

It. There were three terms used and peanut was one of them. And I can't say the other ones. All right, replace, you know, peanut.

[Chris Reavers]

But to me, the peanut gallery referred to the price you paid. You didn't pay much. You could pay peanuts to get that seat up there. I guess.

[Joe Soucheray]

But this is never gonna end.

[Chris Reavers]

Evil racist.

[Joe Soucheray]

But this is never gonna end. There's always gonna be a means to find something which for the vast majority of the American public, I think they all just said, well, there's not a problem here. Why are we trying to make one out of nothing?

[Chris Reavers]

You know, in the event I come across a three year old in my house and for some reason Mickey Mouse is on, I'm not gonna tell her that that's based in minstrels.

[Joe Soucheray]

Look at this racist.

[Chris Reavers]

I'm just gonna continue.

[Kenny Olson]

Had that thought about how crushing it would be to tell the children that love Mickey Mouse this nonsense.

[Chris Reavers]

I'm not going to tell her. I'm just going to read the paper and say, hey, there's Mickey.

[Kenny Olson]

I know you don't want to talk about it, but the overall story about the Smithsonian, I don't see any problems with it. They seem to delight in pointing out the flaws in people, which in this state has resulted in taking statues down, renaming things. And I, like I've said to you many times, Joe, I'm more interested in, okay, if the guy had some issues, why don't you tell us about it on the plaque and teach us some history?

[John Height]

You can't, because we've evolved. You can't because then they take the plaque down.

[Kenny Olson]

So, yeah. And it's just both sides butting heads and we're sitting here going, wait, what? Huh? What? Anyway.

[Chris Reavers]

Hi, Joe.

[John Height]

Hi.

[Chris Reavers]

Greetings from East Tennessee.

[Kenny Olson]

Hail you.

[Chris Reavers]

My husband and I relocated from Minnesota last June. You may or may not know this, but it's pretty hilly here. I'm sitting on the front porch watching a couple of neighbor kids, they're between 8 and 10 years old, ride their bikes up to the intersection in front of our house, then race downhill in the pouring rain. They're both wearing helmets, but one of them is shirtless. They're talking and yelling, and their laughter is so fun to hear. There is still hope. You're all welcome to visit anytime. Lori in Friendsville, Tennessee. Well, Lori, that happens here. The only difference is the bikes are stolen, right? I want to live in Friendsville.

[John Height]

What a great name.

[Chris Reavers]

Friendsville, Tennessee.

[John Height]

Where are you from?

[Chris Reavers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[Chris Reavers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[Kenny Olson]

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[Kenny Olson]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[Chris Reavers]

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[Kenny Olson]

I'M ready.

[Chris Reavers]

Latte schmate.

[Kenny Olson]

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[Chris Reavers]

How many cups a day?

[Kenny Olson]

5 cups of coffee per day. The story goes on to say that drinking up to five cups is safe for most adults. Regular coffee consumption may be linked to lower risk of stroke diabetes than heart diabetes diabetics. Two caveats however. Joe susheri these Hearth Healthy links apply strictly to paper filtered coffee and the water you use to brew the coffee must be very very cold. I'll say this comes as good news to all of us [e-mail] based out of Buffalo MN, especially John Hyde, a customer who I've been told ordered five pounds of coffee.

[John Height]

John it was received yesterday. Boundary Waters, which is my favorite made hot this morning.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh so good.

[Kenny Olson]

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[John Height]

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[Chris Reavers]

Oh you can?

[John Height]

Yes I did.

[Kenny Olson]

That's great news. I didn't know that.

[Chris Reavers]

I've read and reread a we mentioned yesterday but we didn't give it enough time and that's a story the Minneapolis Tribune has done. Anthony Lone Tree It's a great story. I wish the Tribune would do more of this. It's the concern over the lack of financial oversight in the Minneapolis Public schools today. It's in the print newspaper on the front page and I've read it and reread it and I have come to a conclusion that but if there's not outright fraud involved in the Minneapolis financial administration, there is certainly the state level incompetence that would allow fraud to exist. Because again, how many times does the public have to be told that we have budgeted incorrectly. We need more of your money. And we learned that there's been poor financial oversight amid a series of multimillion dollar deficits and revelation revelations of years of budgeting errors. And there's new investigative details. I guess I should credit the Minnesota Reformer for this. And then the Star Tribune picked up off the reformer after the IRS levied more than $5 million in penalties against the district. The consultant described the finance as being at a crisis point and an auditor pointed to a lack of controls over the disbursement of district funds. And what we to me that is a board in administration failure, said Catron Wigfall, a policy fellow with the Conservative center of the American Experiment. That's just. I resent that because they never say that someone is with a liberal group. They always just say a conservative group. So that's.

[Kenny Olson]

Did they say that in the Strib or in the Reformer? Because the reformers far left.

[Chris Reavers]

They said this in the print version of today's story of the Tribune.

[Kenny Olson]

All right, I'm reading yesterday's version, the online version.

[Chris Reavers]

We acknowledge that continuous improvement work and correct long standing processes and issues take time and it is our responsibility to get it right as soon as possible. That was the statement for the Minneapolis Public Schools, which is meaningless. It's just absolute boilerplate nonsense. Why do they continue to get away with this loss of money? It's just amazing to me. There was a law firm hired to investigate and they had to pay the law firm 120 grand.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

Diop, the district's former senior finance officer, somebody can find me the first name. Told the Minnesota. Oh, it's the Minnesota Star Tribune in June that it was his call to withhold and invest $3 million in funds which he said he earned the district about 50 grand. In a Star Tribune interview this week, Diop recalled, interest rates are rising and now makes no sense. And now it makes sense to increase our investment position so they have a trust fund account. Later was Hole. Who's Gilbert? Jesus.

[Joe Soucheray]

Melissa.

[Kenny Olson]

Diop's first name is Ibrahima.

[Chris Reavers]

Huh.

[Kenny Olson]

I haven't found Gilbert's first name yet.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, anyway, doesn't matter.

[Joe Soucheray]

We called her Half Pint Aaron Gilbert.

[Kenny Olson]

The the gal named Aaron.

[Chris Reavers]

Efforts to reach Gilbert were unsuccessful. Diop, who liked Gilbert initially, has been placed on administrative leave. That means he's probably still getting paid. Left the district on January 30, about the same time the district awarded a year long $830,000 contract to the center for Effective School Operations, a Minneapolis based consultant firm to oversee financial operations and undertake a comprehensive review of the finance division. The district should have done that themselves. Why did they have to come up with 830 grand to hire someone else to do it? And that study is not completed yet. Observers have critiqued the district's actions and prospects of a turnaround. Wig Fall that's from the American Experiment. Question the potency of a move to base $68,865 a month to a consultant amid chronic budget deficits. Who's in that group, I wonder. Who knows who? Whose cousin was that? I wonder. Should people have faith in the district? Not yet and not under current trajectory. Wig Fall said it should be solved by addressing the root cause and not by hiring firms to manage the symptoms. Yeah. Sarah Spafford Freeman, a district pyramid parent who for a decade has closely followed its finances and who has worked as a CFO and investment banker, said she believes the district has thrown longtime employees under the bus and probably ruined their careers with innuendo about their wrongdoing. There's no evidence, she said, that 3 million went missing. But there is reason to question the district's ability to properly track nearly 1 billion in transactions per year. They can't do it it. They're incompetent failures. Every third party who has reviewed Minneapolis Public Schools finances, from auditors to investigators, has said throughout Dr. Lisa Sayles Belton's time is super. That the district lacks financial controls necessary for managing an organization of its size. That's the parent saying this. Sarah Spafford Friedman, the Board of Education, has heard this finding for years. I have nowhere to take this except it's another example of how poorly served we are, whether it's legislatively, the governor's office, school boards. Look who St. Paul has on the school board. This Chantille Allen, who is telling dog owners to take their dogs to cemeteries and have them pee on graves of white Christians. She suffered no consequences for that. None. That's a far cry from this financial mismanagement, but it's an example of how poorly served the taxpaying public is by these people who are. You're supposed to have trust in them to be doing this competently. Remember, we came up with this one. We didn't come up with it. We reacted to it. The discovery of a bus service that was directly run by the schools and it was in Roseville and it was for kids who. What was the term? They were. The kids didn't have a house to go to.

[Kenny Olson]

Right.

[Chris Reavers]

Mobile. Mobile school. And there was no evidence that anyone was Doing anything right. It's just a. It's a crying shame.

[Kenny Olson]

Explain this to me. Well, it's the following paragraph. The district noted in its statement last week it was able to secure an additional 10.7 million in state revenue in 25, 26, and 10.8 more. 26, 27. By correcting an error of coding. What the hell does that mean, Joe?

[Chris Reavers]

It just.

[Kenny Olson]

I have no idea.

[Chris Reavers]

It means that Minnesotans are taxed too heavily in the legislature, has too much money. Is.

[Kenny Olson]

Does that translate to, hey, we need another 10 mil, and we go, oh, okay.

[Chris Reavers]

Yes, that's exactly what it means. That's what I thought. Too much money is coming into the coffers, and they continue to invent ways to just spend it. Well, we are taxed too heavily.

[Kenny Olson]

It's that old phrase, they're spending it on crap.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. Jim Clark, a retired school district principal, said that he believes the finance division's issues can be traced in part to staffing cuts, which he believes are a consequence of the district's failure to address a glut of underutilized school buildings. They've been talking about the need to close some of the smaller schools that have never done it. He said they take money where they need to take it and the departments suffer. Ibrahim Diop. Is that his name?

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah. Ibrahima Hema.

[Chris Reavers]

Everybody says, well, he knew what he was doing.

[Kenny Olson]

Everybody trusted him.

[Chris Reavers]

The Star Tribune asked the district this week for Finance Division staffing over the past five years, but the district said the numbers aren't readily available. Donnie Belcher, a district spokeswoman, said some years involved organizational changes and research and analysis. Staffers would need time to get the numbers right. Well, the problem is so simple. When you're playing with the public money and you face no consequences for your incompetence, there are bound to be these horrible oversights. There's. There's just no way.

[Josh Arnold]

You.

[Chris Reavers]

You. You owe. You owe. You. I'm going to collect my thoughts. Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

I have a question for you. If you ran the ship, that's my.

[Chris Reavers]

You owe no one. An accounting of your achievements. Therefore, maybe there are no achievements. There is no consequences for your behavior. And if it's not outright fraud, it is an environment where fraud is very easy because you have no competence to prevent it.

[Kenny Olson]

If you're at the. If you're guarding the state's money and they come to you and say, over the next two years, we're going to need 21 million, what do you say to them?

[Chris Reavers]

They get the 21 million because let's Go back to your initial sentence. There's nobody guarding state money in this state.

[Kenny Olson]

No. I want you to guard it. You're the guardian keeper.

[Chris Reavers]

I'm gonna say no. No, no. Well, my answer is no, you're not getting it.

[Kenny Olson]

And then I'm gonna come back and say, well, we're gonna have to shut down this school. In this school.

[Chris Reavers]

Shut it down.

[Kenny Olson]

Then these kids are gonna go without education.

[Chris Reavers]

There's plenty of room in the schools. We're not shutting down. And schools. You're not allowed to be in cahoots with a bus company that doesn't exist. Well, this would be very simple for an intelligent finance person, man or woman, to go through the whole state and say, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, Elon, just full on, Chenzo.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. No, no, no.

[Josh Arnold]

Nope.

[Chris Reavers]

But there's so much money. There's just. How much money is there?

[Joe Soucheray]

How much money is there?

[Chris Reavers]

There's enough money to keep just. Oh, you were over budgeted. 10 million. We'll cut you a check and if

[Joe Soucheray]

you oppose it, you hate.

[Chris Reavers]

And then just tell them it's for the kids. You know, give them that old. Give them that old bit.

[Kenny Olson]

The district says it does not expect to continue to need third party consultant services. The 830,000 in contract costs are being covered by leaving three leadership positions open.

[Chris Reavers]

They said, Boy, what's 830 grand divided by three? Those are really well paid leadership positions as well as vacancy savings due to typical turnover in other positions across the division. It's gobbledygook.

[Kenny Olson]

It's so hard for the old tutor's

[Josh Arnold]

brain to work through.

[Kenny Olson]

I gotta tell you, Joe, it really is.

[Chris Reavers]

And you know, it's tempting to say that the obfuscation is done on purpose. I don't think it is.

[Kenny Olson]

No.

[Chris Reavers]

I think the obfuscation is the result of they don't know what's going on. They have no idea because they're not competent people.

[Kenny Olson]

Which is shocking and alarming. Very disappointing.

[Chris Reavers]

But you're seeing it in every entity of government.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, I would hope that it would be a cover up, but no, it's just.

[Chris Reavers]

I don't think it's a cover up.

[Kenny Olson]

No, no, no.

[Chris Reavers]

We're just idiots.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, yeah, they are.

[Chris Reavers]

I'm sorry, we're stupid.

[John Height]

Isn't there a name for that? Some something that we hit once? I'll look it up.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. Lax financial oversight. No. Keen, aggressive financial oversight should be at the top of your program. Keen, aggressive financial oversight. No deficits. Budget correctly. You get away with anything you want to get away with because you're idiots.

[Joe Soucheray]

Meanwhile there's declining enrollment.

[Chris Reavers]

Kids can't and the kids can't read. I don't want to blame teachers that kids not reading is a.

[Joe Soucheray]

But it's a results oriented outlet.

[Kenny Olson]

Remember our, our buddy Mary who ran was the office manager. She knew about every small tot sized GL T shirt from 1999 that we had in stock. She accounted for everything. Single penny. That's who they need. They need accountants like that

[John Height]

Hanlon's razor.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

Never attribute. I can't read it. It's too dark.

[John Height]

Never attributed to malice through which is adequately explained by stupidity. I'll.

[Chris Reavers]

I'll go with Hanlon's razor on that. These people are so. They are unaccountable is the problem. They are unaccountable unlike private sector businesses. They get away with this because the buck doesn't stop anywhere.

[Kenny Olson]

Joe, do they know they're unaccountable and are they taking advantage of that on purpose?

[Chris Reavers]

That part is. Yes, it still does. It's still Hanlon's razor. They're still stupid, but they're getting away with it. And they know perfectly well they're getting away with it because they're stupid. Something like that.

[Kenny Olson]

Joe's razor.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know, the only thing I think that we missed out on that particular segment was getting the glance when you use the word obfuscation because the gentleman that normally sits to your right would give me the.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, you know what? He ought to buy a dictionary.

[Joe Soucheray]

And you know what I wouldn't have done? I wouldn't have looked at him.

[Chris Reavers]

Yes, you would.

[Joe Soucheray]

I would have glanced.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. Say Minnesota's 250th block party sponsored by the American Experiment is this Saturday on the steps of the state capitol from noon to 2. American experiment is proud to lead our state's year long celebration of the 250th anniversary of the of the Declaration of Independence. Celebrate this incredible country on the steps of the state capitol. Noon to 2. Live music, food trucks, free ice cream. What's the deal with cup and cone in white beer? They get a lot of pub. They must be one hell of an ice cream place. All right. Face painting, patriotic speeches and more. The center of the American Experiment. You should be checking that site daily. Anyway, it's a great, great institution. Go to their website. If you have questions about the. About the doings on Saturday, go to the events [e-mail]. This is ricey. You've been hearing my friend Josh Arnold Mr. Money talk for years on the radio and the Garage Logic podcast With summer coming on, I strongly recommend you sit down with Josh for your no cost, no obligation 48 minute consultation consultation on your investments, including your IRA and 401k. You can benefit from Josh's years of experience navigating different market and economic conditions and he'll always give you straight talk, not sugar coated advice. Give Josh a call now at 952-925-5608 and book your no cost, no obligation 48 minute consult 952-925-5608. You'll be glad that you did meet with Josh and tell him that Ricey sent you. It's the end of the world as we know it and he feels fine.

[Joe Soucheray]

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[Chris Reavers]

Before John begins his news, let's play a news clip. This is Jason Chavez. He's a Minneapolis City Council member. Now imagine he's commenting on this horribly violent weekend that just took place in Minneapolis. 14 shot. How many dead, John?

[John Height]

One in Minneapolis.

[Chris Reavers]

One in Minneapolis. We had three people killed in St. Paul, correct. Imagine listening to this 30 years from now, if the DSA prevails and they end up controlling the country, there will be no crime. Listen to this. Affidavits that show indigence.

[Joe Soucheray]

Hang tight. Err on the favor of providing kstp. I love you. I really do.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, if you don't have it ready, let's go to John.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, we're going to play it, but I just, I'm trying to send a. I remember how I queued it up and here we go. Here we go. Cue the talent and standby in After

[Chris Reavers]

a weekend of violence, we've been pressing city leaders for answers on public safety. Ben Henry spent the day at City hall working to question those leaders about their action plans. Ben, did you get any specifics? While we were pressing and hoping for more specifics, the council's public safety committee held their first meeting since this rash of violence. Following that, I questioned the committee chair, Jason Chavez, about what he's done, what his plans are, and I followed up on a comment he made about plans for the Minneapolis Police Department. What kind of conversations have you had with stakeholders, including mpd, about immediate action plans that can be put in place to curb this violence?

[Kenny Olson]

I've, you know, sent emails out to

[Joe Soucheray]

the Miampas Police Department folks from our neighborhood safety atmosphere and making sure that

[Kenny Olson]

there is a plan to ensure that those people in the neighborhoods that impacted by gun violence have the support they need to be safe.

[Chris Reavers]

During committee you mentioned addressing the gaps and also plans for mpd. What did you mean by that? Addressing the plans for mpd?

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, I mean, it's important to figure

[Joe Soucheray]

out what comprehensive plan our Miamis police

[Kenny Olson]

department has to address this gun violence. It's no secret that there have been many instances of gun violence near 19th and Nikolay in the very same area.

[Joe Soucheray]

And I think we need to figure

[Kenny Olson]

out and get to the bottom of

[Joe Soucheray]

why that is happening and ensure that

[Kenny Olson]

there is an adequate plan in place to address those concerns.

[Chris Reavers]

It cannot continue to happen over and over again near the same area and at all, to be clear. Any plans to address those specifics then?

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, so that's part of it.

[Joe Soucheray]

I mean, in general, what the police

[Kenny Olson]

department plan is to curb the gun violence. And that wasn't the only thing I mentioned in committee.

[Joe Soucheray]

There's a variety of other instances that

[Kenny Olson]

we have to do as a city enterprise to curb gun violence, making sure what nighttime strategies we have on violence prevention, violence intervention prevention in general, and then think about dark spaces for young people to actually be at to make sure that they actually have good places

[Joe Soucheray]

to do productive gatherings in general.

[Chris Reavers]

Utter bs.

[John Height]

He didn't say anything.

[Chris Reavers]

Didn't say a damn thing.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, no, no. He did say one thing that he did. He sent an email.

[Chris Reavers]

He said.

[Kenny Olson]

Yeah, he's gonna send some emails out.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, he is way over his head in a position like that.

[Kenny Olson]

Seems like criminals run the show over there.

[Chris Reavers]

There's no crime, Kenny. There's no crime.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, well, imagine being a lifelong resident in his area.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, they voted for him.

[Joe Soucheray]

And you voted for this clown. And his reaction to it is, we want to make sure the police. You don't support the police.

[Chris Reavers]

There is no plan. This is all just ridiculous. Government can't stop the violence.

[Joe Soucheray]

Make sure they have.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, it's not their job.

[Joe Soucheray]

These thugs that are plaguing the street. Yeah, we need to have a safe spot for them to go at night.

[Chris Reavers]

That's a fallback boilerplate response. You know, again, if we only had more money for the parks and libraries, we'd be fine. Get out. Now here's John Haidt in his newsroom.

[John Height]

He did say something. It's not funny because he said absolutely nothing in the whole thing, but he said we have to stop that. In that area and in the various same areas.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[John Height]

What the hell does that mean?

[Chris Reavers]

Who was that pipsqueak that's no longer here who had one?

[Joe Soucheray]

Which one?

[Chris Reavers]

The one who was trying to defund the police. And it was Cunningham.

[Kenny Olson]

Philippe.

[Chris Reavers]

Philippe. Yeah, that was. That was Philippe Esque, wasn't it?

[Joe Soucheray]

Ellison's kid, too?

[Chris Reavers]

No, no. Fleet Cunningham. Fleet Cunningham. Here's John Height.

[John Height]

Thanks, Joe. I'm going to also tell you guys the tornado we talked about earlier that Carol Levin shot the video of. Yeah, that was one year before 1987. It was July of 1986, and I was in town for that. I didn't live here, but I was visiting.

[Chris Reavers]

Sorry. Thank you.

[John Height]

It was the same day as the mistress, John. Well, she's now my wife, so I don't know that mistress should be.

[Joe Soucheray]

So she was at the time, 40 years ago.

[John Height]

In news, a federal judge is sentenced. Oh, by the way, this news is brought to you by North American Banking Company. A federal judge sentenced Vance Belter to two life prison sentences, plus 40 years for the killing of former Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband and the shooting of Senator John Hoffman and his wife. This morning, U.S. district Judge John Tunheim said it is the longest sentence he has imposed two times, saying this was a brutal attack on elected public officials and their families, which is truly an attack on democracy. The judge said the attacks have changed the state of Minnesota and John Hoffman asked the court to impose a strong sentence showing violence will never triumph over justice. His daughter Hope Hoffman told the court it was apparent Belter was in a political psychosis fueled by a culture of hate. She said, I wish I could simply see I hate him, I do, but I'm more exasperated at the failed systems that enabled him. Members of the Hortman family also spoke at the court. At the state level, Belter still faces multiple premeditated murder and attempted first degree murder charges, plus felony animal cruelty and impersonating a police officer. At the time of Belter's federal plea deal, a spokesperson for the Hennepin County Attorney's office said it would not impact his state case.

[Kenny Olson]

John, do you happen to have the fireworks being shot at Hoffman's home storage?

[John Height]

Yep, I do. Meanwhile, Kenny, there will be no felony charges filed against those suspects who aimed fireworks at Senator Hoffman's home over the Fourth of July weekend. It happened at the home in Champlin where last year he and his wife suffered those 17 gunshot wounds. Their daughter Hope helped fight off the gunman, then called 91 1. This whole incident with the fireworks was captured on a doorbell camera. On Wednesday, the Hennepin County Attorney's office said the criminal prosecutors reviewed the case found there's not sufficient evidence to support a felony charge. The office did add it did share analysis with the Champlain City Attorney for potential gross misdemeanor charges in the case.

[Chris Reavers]

Maybe the idiots didn't even know it was Hoffman's house.

[Kenny Olson]

Well in one story I read, and only in one story that it was some sort of neighborhood dispute, but they didn't elaborate.

[John Height]

Oh really?

[Kenny Olson]

So I don't know what that means, huh?

[John Height]

Brooklyn Park Police have arrested a man who allegedly broke into two homes in less than a week and sexually assaulted two women. On Friday, Brooklyn park police said they were looking for a man armed with a gun who entered a home on the 7600 block of Hampshire Avenue north about 5 in the morning, demanded money and sexually assaulted a woman. Then at around 6:30 on Wednesday yesterday, Brooklyn park officers responded to reports of an assault in the 7500 block of Jersey Avenue North. Police said the suspect entered that home through an unlocked door at 5:30 in the morning and held the gun to the victim's head before sexually assaulting her. During a press conference yesterday, police identified the suspect as 25 year old Darius Olson Baker as task force task force was created to look for him and police searched 40 square blocks door to door looking for potential leads in any video. Around 6:00 clock yesterday, Brooklyn Park SWAT and detectives executed a search warrant in the 7600 block of Hampshire Avenue North. Olson Baker was taken into custody as being held at the Hennepin County Jail on probable cause for criminal sexual conduct, aggravated robbery and burglary.

[Chris Reavers]

I think he had just been let out of jail.

[John Height]

He did. Let's see. I have part of that here. Authorities said he was released from prison on a firearm charge July 7, moved into a home in the area where the victims were located. Court records show he was charged with illegally possessing a firearm in 2019 and 2023 and fourth degree assault of a peace officer in 2019. Former Minnesota Senator Nicole Mitchell is hoping to make a political comeback, bidding for a city council. Bidding for a city council seat after her conviction for burglary a year ago in Becker County. She had said earlier she planned to do this and she made it official this week, announcing she has filed as a candidate for Woodbury City Council. Last year, Mitchell found guilty of breaking into her stepmother's Detroit lakes home in 2024. According to her campaign page, her priorities include science based policy, lower costs, transparency and community representation in Woodbury City. Woodbury does not hold a city primary election. All candidates who file appear on the November general election ballot in even numbered years. Mitchell is found guilty of first degree burglary and possession of burglary tools. After her trial, Mitchell resigned from the Minnesota Senate, but she wouldn't do it before then. In 2025, she was sentenced to spend roughly six months on work release in addition to five years of supervised probation and appeal still pending for her felony.

[Chris Reavers]

If the people of Woodbury vote for this absolute fruitcake, you deserve everything you get.

[Kenny Olson]

Woodbury was historically more conservative, but recent demographic changes have turned it more democratically.

[Chris Reavers]

Hey, Murph. Get what you deserve. Woodbury.

[Joe Soucheray]

Hey, Prebs. Murph here for a little counterpoint.

[John Height]

Yeah.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know how sometimes the FBI will hire former drug lords and things like that to work under them to kind of get to the bottom of where the problems exist?

[Kenny Olson]

Oh, I see where you're going.

[Joe Soucheray]

What if Minneapolis says, okay, let's bring her in. We have burglary issues, we have crime issues in the city of Minneapolis. We bring her, we put her on the city council to try to address the real things that plague.

[Chris Reavers]

She would not be helping.

[Kenny Olson]

And she doesn't live in Minneapolis, which would be perfect considering where some of our council members that live outside of their district.

[Chris Reavers]

This is going to be very interesting to See, if the people of Woodbury actually vote for this.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm looking for content for the show. Please elect her.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, my God.

[Kenny Olson]

Here's. Here's my prediction. This woman who could never, ever get a job in TV again, will in fact be elected to the city council.

[Chris Reavers]

Are the people of Woodbury that stupid?

[Kenny Olson]

Yes.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes.

[Kenny Olson]

Yes.

[Chris Reavers]

See, Woodbury. I'm not saying you're that stupid.

[Joe Soucheray]

Well, you could replace Woodbury with whatever. Not saying stupid. They're not stupid. They're not paying attention.

[Chris Reavers]

That's the same thing. Same thing.

[John Height]

Sometimes I get tunnel vision in things that are political. And just the fact that she voted to keep herself in the legislature, it's just awesome. That's it. I couldn't vote for it just because of that.

[Kenny Olson]

But, John, it's so wrong that it's awesome. Yeah, it's just so awesome.

[Chris Reavers]

It was the ultimate definition of cheeky.

[John Height]

Cheeky.

[Kenny Olson]

It's proof that we might maybe should take another look at our way of doing things.

[Josh Arnold]

Man.

[Kenny Olson]

Just.

[John Height]

You know, why don't we take a quick break here and we'll be back with more news after this.

[Josh Arnold]

This.

[Kenny Olson]

Hey, look at this. It's already positive Thursday. And as usual, it's brought to us by Schoonover Body Works and Autocare. They're In Shore View, 1060 County Road E. Mike Schoonover is not on the phone. Actually, he was on the phone. Let me give you some background. Mike, earlier in the week sent me a picture of an engine not in a vehicle. And it turns out it's a blown engine from a Ford, I believe, an F150. And I had a million questions about this and what led to this engine being blown up. And he said, you know what? You're going to talk to Quinn because Quinn knows everything about it. So. G. Ellers, say hello to Quinn. Hi, Quinn.

[Chris Reavers]

Good afternoon, sir.

[Kenny Olson]

So what led to the rap. What do we call this? A rapid disassembly of this Ford engine in the F150. What led up to this? Was it a manufacturer defect effect?

[Chris Reavers]

Yes, it is known what they call cam phasers or camshaft phasers.

[Kenny Olson]

Okay.

[Chris Reavers]

The oil controlled valve in there helps distribute oil to certain places and it also helps control engine timing. This one actually let loose so bad that it actually actually broke the top half of the valve cover and came out the top of the valve cover cover itself.

[Kenny Olson]

Holy smokes.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah.

[Josh Arnold]

What.

[Kenny Olson]

What could the owner have done to prevent this?

[Chris Reavers]

Religious oil changes. A lot of these newer vehicles are. Are actually reliant heavily on oil pressure. That helps run all the engine timing and everything like that in these.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

Also a lot of these newer vehicles are turbocharged, and the turbocharger rely on cooling and lubrication through that engine oil.

[Kenny Olson]

Now, by. Go ahead. I'm sorry?

[Chris Reavers]

No, go ahead, sir.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, by frequent oil changes, are you saying follow what it tells you on the dash or just do it every 2 to 3,000 miles like we always used to before our dash started telling us what to do? What's your opinion on that?

[Chris Reavers]

So we recommend frequent oil changes roughly about every, you know, if it's full synthetic oil, roughly about every five to six, 6,000 miles. Oh, a lot of these newer manufacturers are coming out with quite long service intervals at roughly about 10,000 miles on some of these. Really?

[Josh Arnold]

Yeah.

[Chris Reavers]

I mean, they do make engine oil and filters pretty good these days. But that's a, that's a lot of time in between service intervals for that. A lot of stuff that could happen. That and a lot of these newer engines like to consume oil also. So a little bit of it through real direct injection. Yep. So you really want to keep up

[Josh Arnold]

on top of that.

[Chris Reavers]

That's why we don't recommend going the full 10,000. Again, we would be at about the 5 to 6,000 mile service intervals.

[Kenny Olson]

So I'm driving a GMC 2500, a 2016, and when it says that I have 20% engine oil left, I panic and change my oil. I never wait till it tells me to change my oil. So erring on the, on the, the. What would we call that, the smart side, the early side, that would be your best bet, right?

[Chris Reavers]

Yes, sir. I mean, oil changes are, I like to call cheap insurance. I mean, it's just, you bring it in. Normally oil changes are anywhere between like 80 to depending upon the vehicle, 120 bucks for the full synthetic oil change and inspection. And then that way, you know, it gets good check over.

[Josh Arnold]

Also,

[Kenny Olson]

I changed my own oil, but then once a year I bring it either to you guys or somebody up here locally just to do what you said, just check virtually everything I tell them. Go looking for. For problems. Find problems for me. And I think that's probably your best bet. So basically, if you do have a Ford or a Chevy, I know we also have problems with the newer Chevy model engines and you blow that sucker up. Schoon over Body works and autocare is a perfect place to bring your vehicle. They've been around for 88 years. And that time, you know what, they've learned a few things. And that's why they're always rated as one of top shops in the metro. The official shop of both Garage Logic and the Crabby Coffee Shop. They're right on the corner of Lexington and County E and Shoreview. And on the web schoonover bodyworks.com thank you, Quinn.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, thanks again, Kenny. Thanks for having me on.

[Joe Soucheray]

The Earth is NOT your mother the

[John Height]

Joe Sugire show in other news, the price of oil hit 100 bucks a barrel this morning for the first time since May as worries grew that a widening conflict could choke another shipping route after Iran's Houthi allies in Yemen claimed to hit two Saudi tankers. To paraphrase Jason Chavez, in the Red Sea and in the various same areas. I had to get it at once.

[Chris Reavers]

Come on.

[John Height]

The Houthis strikes were the first since the group announced a blockade on Saudi ships this week after the US And Iran launched more strikes overnight. President Trump said on social media this morning that he would hold Iran responsible for any further Houthis attacks in the Red Sea and threatened to widen the conflict to include the Yemeni group. The House on Thursday voted a second time to direct President Trump to end the war in Iran or seek explicit authorization to continue it, dealing him another bipartisan rebuke as he again ramps up military ops in the Middle east without approval from Congress. Four Republicans join Democrats in backing the major measure, which does not have the force of law. President Trump yesterday announcing a multibillion dollar deal to provide Saudi Arabia with a civilian nuclear program and a potential pathway to enrich its own uranium. Under the deal, US Companies can transfer a nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia for up to 30 years. Unlike a 2009 deal with United Arab Emirates, this deal allows for domestic uranium enrichment if a two year study deems it warranted. US Firms would be tasked with building and overseeing the enrichment facility. If the US Declines to proceed with enrichment after the study, the Kingdom must wait 10 years before building a facility independently or with another partner. The president this morning did announce one possible sticking point to the agreement, saying it was totally subject, in his words, to the country. The Saudi Arabia that is joining the Abraham Accords. The US Brokered normalization agreements between Israel and several states. A new requirement would create a major roadblock. Saudi officials have repeatedly said they will not recognize Israel without a pathway toward a Palestinian state.

[Chris Reavers]

I have a question about this.

[John Height]

Yes, sir.

[Chris Reavers]

Why do we have to pay for it? Just tell the Arabs you want nukes. Go ahead. It's your problem.

[John Height]

I think they have enough money, don't they?

[Chris Reavers]

I think they have nothing but money. Why am I paying for it? So American contractors can get a. Get it. Get in on the action. Uh huh. Thank you.

[John Height]

Next week. Next week's Federal Reserve meeting shaping up as one of the least predictable in years. A renewed oil shock and a hawkish faction pressing to raise rates have collided with cooler inflation data that helps the case for a hold. Presiding over it, the new chairman. Chairman who has revealed nothing about which way he leans. That would be Kevin Warsh. He has vowed repeatedly over the last two months to restore price stability to disabuse investors of the idea that the Fed has implicitly accepted higher inflation. He hasn't spelled out how current interest rates will accomplish that. The officials pressing to raise rates are the more insistent and a few of them are candidates to dissent. If rates stay on hold, the other half thought they wouldn't do anything. And Warsh said it could tip the balance of the scale in whatever way he wants. That according to Jonathan Pingle, chief US Economist at ubs. Unfortunately, it appears the rates going lower this year, according to everyone concerned, doesn't seem likely at this point. Open AI this. This one. I don't know. If you think about this story, it kind of. It's kind of frightening. OpenAI revealed its AI AI models went rogue last week during security tests.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, yeah, they broke out, didn't they?

[John Height]

Yeah. They hacked into a Star wars startup.

[Chris Reavers]

Yep.

[John Height]

The security breach is believed to be the first of its kind by an autonomous AI agent. The incident occurred when OpenAI tested two of its models to see how well they could expose online vulnerabilities. The models were supposed to be confined to what's called a sandbox, a closed system where they could not access the Internet. But in an effort to answer the prompt, the models skirted company safeguards and hacked into To Hugging Face, an open source platform for AI technology. The models then gained access to internal company systems. Hugging Face said last week it was still investigating whether customer data was compromised.

[Chris Reavers]

I suppose I should be fascinated by AI, but I'm not.

[Joe Soucheray]

No, you should be terrified of AI.

[Chris Reavers]

It's only there. It's only as good as the people who load it. So garbage in, garbage out.

[Kenny Olson]

When you break down with Joe, it's the worst you've. Oh my God. That's frightening. Joe.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yep.

[Kenny Olson]

You need. This is the number one thing in the world you should be frightened of right now. Yes, absolutely. Top. Put everything else that scares the out of you below this.

[Chris Reavers]

Okay.

[Joe Soucheray]

It's going to take a over.

[Kenny Olson]

Throw away your.

[Chris Reavers]

I said I wasn't Fascinated by it.

[Kenny Olson]

Joe, you could throw away your computers and your phone and it will still affect your life.

[Joe Soucheray]

In fact, there was a story, forgive me if you guys mentioned it yesterday in my absence, in which one AI program accidentally hacked into another AI program.

[Chris Reavers]

Are you. What is wrong with you?

[Joe Soucheray]

No, listen to me.

[Chris Reavers]

He just had that on the news.

[Kenny Olson]

Listen, just listen.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh my God.

[Kenny Olson]

Let him finish.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know, you guys are in attack mode.

[Chris Reavers]

I. I am.

[Joe Soucheray]

Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I'm not doing it.

[John Height]

What part? What part didn't I have in this?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, okay. I was trying to help. Oh my God. You know what? You know what it's like every single day I come in here?

[Chris Reavers]

No, it has been you guys.

[Joe Soucheray]

You guys listen to the first four words and automatically pounce upon something you think someone else is going to say

[Chris Reavers]

because we know what it's going to be.

[Joe Soucheray]

You know.

[Kenny Olson]

You know what's frightens?

[Joe Soucheray]

The AIGL podcast is going to be awesome. I'm going to listen to it every day.

[Kenny Olson]

May we get back on track? What frightens me is with Google, you cannot turn it off.

[Joe Soucheray]

No.

[Kenny Olson]

It's there whether you want it or not.

[Joe Soucheray]

And that's where I was going.

[Kenny Olson]

And that should frighten you.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. What do you mean there's no.

[Kenny Olson]

Go to Google and try to search something without AI. Go to your Google settings things. Try to turn it off. You cannot. If you can please somebody tell me how, because I've been trying.

[Chris Reavers]

You just click out of it.

[Kenny Olson]

Joe, Joe, Joe. Hey.

[Chris Reavers]

You look up something on the Google gives it to you and then you just click out of it and go to another site.

[Kenny Olson]

You are delightful.

[John Height]

A boat taking part.

[Chris Reavers]

Get out of it. Every day

[Josh Arnold]

a boat.

[John Height]

Many times in fact, right?

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah. Many times.

[John Height]

A boat participating in the 1000 Islands Charity Poker Run was clocked traveling 157 miles an hour near the Thousand Islands bridge over the weekend. The problem with that. This is an area of the St. Lawrence river with a 30 mile an hour speed limit. The speed was both illegal and a violation of the poker run's own rules.

[Chris Reavers]

That's an area on my bucket list.

[John Height]

Bobby Cantwell is President of the 1000 Islands Charity Poker Run board. He said we stress these slow zones all weekend long. Since they register, we send them email after email with all of the rules. So they had all the rules. The river hosts the poker run, which is not a race. Before hitting the water, all drivers meet the organizers to learn the rules and speed limits. A member of the team from the boat did attend the meeting, but wasn't actually on the boat. When the incident happened, New York State Park Police clocked the boat, a 50 foot catamaran powered by turbine engines, lettered X insurance on its sides at 157 miles an hour in the restricted max zone.

[Kenny Olson]

You know that 64 Glastron jet flight? I have such. Yeah, I had that thing going about 80 miles an hour.

[Chris Reavers]

No, you didn't.

[Kenny Olson]

With a 70 horse on it.

[Chris Reavers]

No, you didn't.

[Kenny Olson]

But Joe, Joe, this is what Chris is talking about. Zip your lip until I'm done. Okay, so going at least 80 miles an hour. I get out the phone, I go to the GPS, the speedometer. I'm going 26 miles an hour.

[Chris Reavers]

Okay, I was right, Joe, for some reason.

[Kenny Olson]

Why does 30 miles an hour in a boat feel like 70?

[Chris Reavers]

What is that the wind in your face?

[Kenny Olson]

John, you've got a buddy, Kurt, the bass player.

[John Height]

Kurt, sure. Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

He's got one of those boats that is absolutely capable of doing over 80 miles an hour. And he says, well, go for a ride with me. Never, ever, ever will I get on that boat.

[Chris Reavers]

What about you, Chris?

[John Height]

Joe. Oh, Joe. Is there a subject I could talk about that you could stop me after five or six words?

[Chris Reavers]

Yes.

[John Height]

What do you want me to talk about?

[Joe Soucheray]

The Beatles are overrated.

[Kenny Olson]

Listen, I. I want to make a correction.

[Chris Reavers]

Evidently you believe Trump was ripping the Beatles.

[Joe Soucheray]

What?

[John Height]

Yeah, he was.

[Chris Reavers]

He had a social post.

[Kenny Olson]

Before you drift into your derangement syndrome.

[Chris Reavers]

No, if you think he's the real deal, you've got derangement syndrome.

[Kenny Olson]

Let me make a correction. Evidently, if you can set. Figure out how to set Google at web mode.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, that's what I do.

[Kenny Olson]

You can get around AI?

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, that's what I do. I put on a web mode.

[Kenny Olson]

I don't know that the four of us are. Maybe John is, but I know I'm not capable.

[Chris Reavers]

I have no idea. Is it Google AI portion?

[Kenny Olson]

As far as I'm concerned, it is.

[John Height]

So you mean the app, Kenny? Is that what you're talking about? See, I don't. I don't use the app. I just use.

[Kenny Olson]

It says how to turn. I. I googled how to turn AI off on Google and it said set your default browser search engine to web mode.

[Chris Reavers]

Hey, let's have a show where we scare ourselves to death. Let's bring an AI expert in here.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, it's almost like Kenny and I have been telling you to do that for. For about five years now to tell

[Chris Reavers]

us why we should be frightened.

[Kenny Olson]

We need that guy who is big On Twitter from your Jose Zapata. Remember? He could tell us about it.

[Chris Reavers]

Find Jose Apara.

[Kenny Olson]

You'll have to use AI to find him.

[Chris Reavers]

I think he's still employed by the paper because there's at least a byline every year. Oh, once a year. Yeah.

[Kenny Olson]

He could help.

[John Height]

Why don't you go in the building, see if you can find.

[Chris Reavers]

There is no building, John.

[Joe Soucheray]

I'm sorry.

[Chris Reavers]

Thank you, John.

[Joe Soucheray]

Actually, I have the latest update, Ken, on all of us talking about. AI is the most wonderfully scary actor since Thudge McGurk.

[Chris Reavers]

Thud McGurk. I'll never forget him. His last film was Phantom of the soap opera.

[Joe Soucheray]

The two old guys from the Muppets. That's exactly what the last five years.

[Kenny Olson]

The peanut gallery.

[Joe Soucheray]

The peanut gallery.

[John Height]

The peanut gallery.

[Chris Reavers]

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[Kenny Olson]

You cannot stop him.

[Chris Reavers]

He'll just make a move.

[Joe Soucheray]

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[Chris Reavers]

Joe Garagelogic's own geologist, Stacy has provided the documentation on a 5.1 earthquake in the Texas Panhandle region. She said it's the largest earthquake in that area for 100 years. But there does not appear to be much damage. But the residents felt it. We are the only podcast in America that has its own geologist and lake detective and so on. Does anyone remember the name Dylan Adams? Does that bring a bill?

[Josh Arnold]

No.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes. The.

[Kenny Olson]

The.

[Joe Soucheray]

The guy that scratched the Tesla.

[Chris Reavers]

That's it. Oh, yes, he did. $20,000 in damage. He was just promoted and given a raise.

[Joe Soucheray]

Oh, why not?

[Kenny Olson]

Congratulations.

[Chris Reavers]

By the Department of Human Services. And he's on the Disability Service Division's fiscal policy team. He's getting. He gets $48.60 an hour. He's gonna get a raise to $52.18 an hour. But he suffered horrible consequences for telling people he was on a break. So we paid him when he was out scratching Teslas.

[Joe Soucheray]

Guy's got to eat.

[Chris Reavers]

He was on a break. He got a one day suspension for that.

[Joe Soucheray]

What a joke.

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, that was just last March. March of 2025. At the time he was a fiscal policy analyst and compliance integrity was his special. I don't think that's been going too well. He told investigators. I think he had to make restitution. He told investigators evangelized Tesla's because he believed Musk gave a Nazi salute at us at a ceremony. I don't think he did. And he scratched the cars because he wanted Tesla owners to. Tesla owners to disassociate themselves from Elon Musk and Teslas and what have you. But gee, that working for the state is a hell of a deal, isn't it? One day suspension. We paid him while he was out scratching Teslas and he just gets promoted. It's a great gig. Congratulations. That's wonderful. Only because they come to us all the way. We did something today. All the way from Marleth park in South Africa, from the traveling linemans. It was on this day, Joe Today

[Joe Soucheray]

is Thursday, July 23rd.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, on this day in 1838, Father Francis Piers, a Slovene priest, arrived at his post in Grand Portage. He remained there for a few months and then returned in 1841 to establish a mission on the Pigeon River. His later writings encouraged Germans and Slovenes to immigrate to the earthly paradise of Minnesota that was before walls. On this day, July 23, in 1851, the Sisseton and Wahpeton Dakota signed the Treaty of Traverse des Sioux near St. Peter. Cloudman and Sleepy Eye were among the Dakota style. I don't know how to pronounce their native names, but they were in parentheses. One guy was Cloud Mann and the other guy was Sleepy Eye.

[Joe Soucheray]

Like they're rappers.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, Alexander, perfect health. While Alexander Ramsey and Luke Lee represented the US with missionary Stephen Riggs interpreting, Henry H. Sibley acted as agent for the fur traders who had accumulated debts from the declaration. In the treaty, the Dakota relinquished title to their lands west of the Mississippi, about 24 million acres for a million six. And a reservation for the Indians was set up in the Minnesota River Valley. Soon a similar treaty with other Dakota bands was signed at Mendota. Problems with treaty payments were one of the causes of the U.S. dakota War of 1862.

[Kenny Olson]

Remember the Indian agent that said, let him eat grass? And he was found with grass stuffed into his dead mouth. Well, he paid for that.

[Chris Reavers]

I think he got what he deserved.

[Kenny Olson]

Absolutely.

[Chris Reavers]

On this day, July 23rd. Well, on this day in 1872, a mob attacked the Brainerd jail where two Ojibwe brothers, T.B. kiki, Shekwabi and Gogo once. That is the coolest name I've ever heard. Go once. Right on. Were being held for allegedly murdering a woman. The men were taken. Let me turn this. The men were taken to a nearby pine tree and hanged in front of a crowd of a thousand. After the lynching, a rumor spread among Brainerd's residents that angry Ojibwe were planning to attack the town. Sheriff John Girrell telegraphed Governor Horace Austin for help. Three companies of troops were sent out, arriving on July 25th. The troops found the Ojibwe in the woods picking blueberries. And the entire incident became known as the Blueberry War. On this day, Joe, today's July 23rd. Well, on this day in 1924, St. Paul's home horse drawn fire engines made their final run. And I bet people who then had fires were really grateful that they didn't have to wait for the horse drawn fire truck to show up.

[Kenny Olson]

I wonder Were they. Did they accept the new technology? Begrudgingly. The way we are with AI, I

[Chris Reavers]

would think not if your house is burning. I want the truck. Probably got there faster than the horse did.

[Kenny Olson]

The farm I lived on. My ancestor, when he bought a new tractor in the 20s, cried himself to sleep for a couple of weeks because he felt like he made the biggest mistake of his life.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, boy, can you.

[Kenny Olson]

That doesn't even register with me. That's so wild.

[Chris Reavers]

On this day, July 23rd. This is a good one. On this day in 1943, Princeton area farmer O.J. odegaard was the first to realize. Was the first to utilize the labor of Axis prisoners of war when the rig. When he requested 100 Italian POWs for farm work. Due to the acute labor shortage in Mille Lacs County, Odegaard was forced to pay the average wage for farm. Three bucks per prisoner per day. And the prisoners and 40 armed guards arrived from Camp Clark, Missouri on September 5th. Provided with kitchen facilities, the prisoners prepared their own pasta and spaghetti. No, I put that in there. Prepared their own food, and in fact, were such skilled cooks that their guards preferred their meals over standard army food. See, they were probably cooking fine Italian dinners. On this day in Minnesota, sports disappointment. History.

[Joe Soucheray]

Joe, who did we lose to on July 23rd?

[Chris Reavers]

Well, on this day in 1975, the U of M received a letter from the NCAA about basketball investigation, whatever that meant. On this day, July 23rd, in 1996, J.R. ryder was traded. Was that a Timberwolf?

[Joe Soucheray]

Yes, he was.

[Chris Reavers]

Was he the guy with the. The wheel rims? My thinking, he was the guy that

[Joe Soucheray]

had the frozen pipes, though, in. In April.

[Chris Reavers]

Oh, he was the guy that did. He was always late to the game.

[Joe Soucheray]

Yeah, he. He couldn't make it because his pipes frozen.

[Chris Reavers]

He never had a career, did he?

[Joe Soucheray]

He was. Okay.

[Chris Reavers]

No, here. He was traded. Did he ever have a career? Thank you. On this day, July 23rd. On this day in 2014, the Vikings announced they would not spend an extra 1.1 million for bird safe glass. Presumably, that means in the new stadium. Yes. So they. Those. There's still millions of birds every year that are dying by crashing into the U.S. bank Stadium.

[Joe Soucheray]

Royce, he had a bit of fun

[Chris Reavers]

with that one today.

[Joe Soucheray]

With the dead birds? No, back in the day.

[Kenny Olson]

Well, wasn't he going down there to count them?

[Chris Reavers]

There weren't any. Maybe one or two ones.

[Joe Soucheray]

You act like that was gonna stop your. Your partner of 30 years.

[Chris Reavers]

Well, he probably said, I'm waiting in them. I'm waiting in them.

[Kenny Olson]

He was working On a bit.

[Joe Soucheray]

On this day.

[Chris Reavers]

On this day.

[Joe Soucheray]

Fifteen years ago, this July.

[Chris Reavers]

I'll do years ago.

[Kenny Olson]

Deal.

[Chris Reavers]

Do it again.

[Joe Soucheray]

On this day, July 23rd, 15 years ago, guess what we were doing. You attended the first half of the U2 concert at TCF Bank Stadium.

[Chris Reavers]

What year?

[Joe Soucheray]

2011.

[Chris Reavers]

That was that long ago?

[Joe Soucheray]

It was. It was 15 years ago.

[Kenny Olson]

I saw them in the 1900s.

[Joe Soucheray]

That was. It was a fun show in which you were going to get up and grab some water. And I said, we're never going to see him again.

[Chris Reavers]

I don't want to stay around.

[Joe Soucheray]

That was a fun show.

[Chris Reavers]

That was a big deal that they were in town.

[Joe Soucheray]

It was huge.

[Chris Reavers]

Whatever happened to them? Well, they're not in the news as much as they used to be.

[Kenny Olson]

I think they made their money and ran, didn't they?

[Joe Soucheray]

Why not?

[Chris Reavers]

Yeah, they did pretty well. Well, thank you.

[Joe Soucheray]

G. Ellers, do us a favor if you have not done so so already and hit the subscribe button. Yep, it's right there on the Garage Logic YouTube channel where you can watch the show every single day. Yes. And you could also see full segments. There's video shorts, there's behind the scenes footage. Just search garage logic. That's two words on YouTube along with all of our social media channels. That includes Facebook, Instagram and. And you can also sign up for the Daily Logician. That is an email that comes right to your inbox each and every single day. And it includes the most recent episode of the podcast. Find out more and sign up today [e-mail] it is time once again that we check in with our guy, Mr. Money Talk. Josh Arnold is with us once again right here in garagelog. And now is the time for you to do the same. So do not delay, do exactly what I did and pick up that phone and dial 952-925-5608. That number once again is 952-925-5608. When you call that number, you're going to get Josh and he is there for you for that. Free. Yes, I use the word free. 48 minute financial consultation with absolutely zero obligation. And he will always give you the straight talk, he will never give you the sugar coated advice. And he is on the line with us once again right here in garagelogic. Josh, a question for you because you and I have had conversations over the years and I've always wondered what would you give advice to? Whether it's a first time investor, a long term investor. What are some of the general principles that you try to apply in terms

[Josh Arnold]

of investing, the easiest answer, Chris, Growth will out. Growth will out. Invest for growth. Most people would say, josh, if you buy growth, aren't you paying up growing companies? Well, you might be. And then again you might not be. Because the next question is, well, isn't buying value oriented companies, companies with the lowest price to earnings multiples, the lowest price to sale multiple, isn't that better strategy than going just for growth? Well, the idea is that growth will out. And that has been proven to me and proven to other investors time and time again over long periods of time. Growth will out. Now there are a lot of companies that will say in their infancy or when they're, there's just an idea out there that those companies that are involved in the fastest growing industry and there become more and more of them tend to skyrocket very quickly in value. And then it is found over a period of time that they're not earning money, that their sales aren't growing, their sales aren't growing. Something has stalled out, out. And these stocks which have been, we'll say, rocket ships, crater and fall to earth and the winners sometimes out of that group are those that have had the staying power and really do have growth, do have an idea, do have products or services that are in demand and they start eventually moving ahead. There of course are those companies that are very steady growers that have again products and services that people want, people need at some point. Yes, these companies do have a mature industry or mature in terms of their growth and the growth slows. These companies then pay out dividends at a higher rate or end up buying back shares, another form of, of paying investors for them. If I look at an old, and I say an old growth company like Coca Cola, which I have talked about for many years, a very slow old growth company, it doesn't grow at 10 or 12 or 20% but it's a very steady mid single digit digits grower. And they do grow their dividend every, every year and they do buy back some shares and they have a product or actually several products that people can't be without, water for one and say milk, juice, coffee, tea, Coca Cola as an example, sells over 200 products in over 200 countries around, around the world. Very, very steady company. Is it going to go to the moon? No. Is it going to provide a level of safety? Oh yes, and it's going to provide a very nice dividend yield that's going to grow over time. I'll say one of the best investors long term, Warren Buffett has included Coca Cola in his portfolio. Berkshire Hathaway for decades at the price that he originally bought, bought it and added to the shares, yes, have gone up. But what has increased even more is the dividend. The dividends that are paid out and the dividends that are paid out relative to his cost basis give Berkshire Hathaway and Warren Buffett dividend yield we'll say in excess of 15%. But again that's over a long period of time and Coke is just an old staid company. On the other hand, a company that started growing fast, faded, came up with new products, saw the growth accelerate and then would seed, then come back with newer products and now just is, I'll say is one of the largest companies in the world and they provide a product and service that people really can't be without. That is Apple. Apple now has 2.4 billion iOS users and at least one and a half billion iPhone users. And if I look that most people are going to be replacing their phone every four to five years and when they replace the phone they're going to need more memory, need more storage and they'll probably get more services from app is no longer growing at 20 or 25%, growing at a single digit rate. But Apple does buy back shares and does increase their dividend as a product or service that people can count on and generates tremendous amount of cash flow. I'll say so much cash flow and so much cash that the countries in which Apple operates, the governments all want a piece of Apple's, Apple's business and they attempt to go after Apple Apple as a monopoly. That said, Apple is a very, very steady growth company. And even with all the fluctuations and worries that the analysts have over the next iteration of the iPhone, this company could well continue to perform on a very, very long, long term basis. That's an example. Both Coke and Apple are examples of first faster growing companies and then companies that become steady growers. And those are types of companies that for longer term investors you should look look at growth will out. That is I'll say the biggest bit of advice Chris that I could give any, any investor. The other pieces always keep cash available because inevitably in any given year a market is going to pull back 5 to 10% 3 to 4 times during the course of the year. And having cash available to add to positions is, is beneficial. Al putting together any portfolio videos, you know, for myself or my clients and my money is in the exact same spots that my clients money is in. I'll say we go in together and out together on new purchases. My focus always has been companies around the Internet, companies involved in leisure China related businesses without necessarily being in China because that's still faster growing part of the world, real assets such as real estate and to keep a portion of money available for short term trading or for opportunities and by we'll say concentrating in the portfolio concentrating or focusing the portfolios in those areas I have found better opportunities for growth than in other sectors of the marketplace and that's why

[Joe Soucheray]

we come to you for the straight talk and never ever sugarcoat advice. Mr. MoneyTalk. You heard him gl ers. Now is the time for you to pick up the phone and make the call for that free 48 minute financial consultation again with zero obligation. And you do that just like I did by dialing 952-925-5608 where you always get straight talk and never ever sugarcoated advice. Josh, once again, thank you so much for the time and the chat. Enjoy the rest of day. We'll talk to you again tomorrow.

[Josh Arnold]

Thank you very much.

[Chris Reavers]

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[Joe Soucheray]

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[Chris Reavers]

and do not constitute investment advice. Chris Reers is a paid endorser.

[Kenny Olson]

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[Chris Reavers]

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