CRABBY COFFEE : Governor Walz And Mayor Jacob Frey EXPLOSIVE Comments On ICE Shooting!

Summary

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Garage Logic: CRABBY COFFEE – Governor Walz & Mayor Jacob Frey’s Explosive Comments on ICE Shooting

Podcast: Garage Logic (Gamut Podcast Network)
Date: January 8, 2026
Hosts & Guests: Jay, Kenny, Mayor Jacob Frey (audio clips), Governor Tim Walz (audio clips), Rich Stanek (former Hennepin County Sheriff)

Overview of the Episode

This episode of the "Garage Logic: Krabby Coffee" podcast dives into the chaotic aftermath of a fatal shooting involving an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent and a protester in Minneapolis. Originally planning to cover lighter topics, the hosts quickly pivot to analyze real-time news, explosive official statements, conflicting narratives, and jurisdictional confusion as city and state leaders (notably Mayor Jacob Frey and Governor Tim Walz) react boldly—sometimes controversially—before the investigation is complete. The episode probes themes of transparency, political posturing, law enforcement protocols, public trust, and the volatile relationship between local and federal authorities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Happened: The Events at 34th and Portland

• The episode jumps into breaking news: earlier that day, an ICE agent shot and killed a protester at 34th & Portland in South Minneapolis.
  • [01:01] Jay: “...an ICE agent and Department of Homeland Security has confirmed this. An ICE agent shot and killed a protester.”
• Conflicting narratives quickly emerge, with politicians labeling the action as either justified or unjustified within hours.
• Two videos of the incident are analyzed by the hosts and guest:
  • The protester’s vehicle can be seen blocking the road.
  • ICE agents approach, command her to exit the car; she then accelerates, potentially clipping an officer; shots are fired.
  • The incident was captured from multiple angles (street-level, porch cam).

2. Rich Stanek’s Law Enforcement Perspective

• Former Sheriff Rich Stanek offers expert commentary:
  • The complexity of investigations into officer-involved shootings.
  • The critical importance of not jumping to conclusions before all facts are gathered.
• On proper law enforcement protocol:
  • [03:02] Stanek: “It's always better to wait just a little while, get the facts right, make sure, be confident what it is that you're telling the public. That's what transparency and accountability is about.”

3. Immediate (and Explosive) Political Responses

Mayor Jacob Frey’s Comments

• Audio of Mayor Frey is played, in which he excoriates ICE and dismisses their defense as “bullshit”:
  • [09:03] Mayor Jacob Frey: “So they are already trying to spin this as an action of self defense. Having seen the video myself, I want to tell everybody directly that is bullshit. This was an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying, getting killed.”
  • Frey further demands (in lengthier cut) that ICE leave the city:
    • [25:28] Mayor Jacob Frey: “...get the fuck out of Minneapolis.”
• The hosts question the size of the ICE presence:
  • [25:49] Jay: “He said dozens, if not hundreds... Who are they extracting from that neighborhood that would require hundreds of agents?”

Governor Tim Walz’s Response

• Governor Walz also makes strong statements, quickly rejecting the federal narrative:
  • [27:50] Jay (reading Walz’s tweet): “I've seen the video. Don't believe this propaganda machine. The state will ensure there is a full, fair and expeditious investigation to ensure accountability and justice.”
• In his press conference, he blames the Trump administration for creating a volatile climate:
  • [29:51] Tim Walz: “We have been warning for weeks that the Trump administration's dangerous, sensationalized operations are a threat to our public safety, that someone was going to get hurt... today that recklessness costs someone their life... We do not need any further help from the federal government. To Donald Trump and Kristi Noem, you've done enough...”
• Walz activates the National Guard, clarifies later it’s to prepare for potential civil unrest.
  • [34:07] Governor Walz: “...the National Guard is there to make sure that peaceful protests are able to be done, and that those that want to do the destruction are stopped from doing.”

4. Implications for Community & Investigation

Jurisdictional Confusion and Fallout

• There’s uncertainty over who controls the investigation:
  • FBI and BCA (Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension) are mentioned as the main investigative bodies.
  • Stanek emphasizes the need for local oversight and mistrust when feds “investigate the feds.”
    • [12:46] Rich Stanek: “No. I mean, that's not normally the way this happens. ... But I don't see that happening here. These two aren't even talking.”

The Role (and Pressure) of Minneapolis’ Police Chief

• Rich Stanek gives context on Chief O’Hara’s difficult political position, balancing city hall, public, and law enforcement expectations.

Importance (and Limitations) of Video Evidence

• The hosts note that initial videos don’t tell the whole story—more will emerge from bodycams, dashcams, and security cameras.
  • [35:28] Kenny: “One video shows you one thing... and the other video shows you an entirely different thing.”

Public Safety & Law Enforcement Training

• Discussion on the fallacy of “why not shoot the tires” and the reality of vehicles as deadly weapons.
• Stanek explains federal officer training matches local standards.

5. Media, Misinformation, & Political Fallout

• Concern that strong statements by state and local leaders could stoke unrest before facts are established.
  • [37:09] Kenny: “...the town went crazy thinking that the Minneapolis police had shot him... I can see that happening in this case. Where all hell is going to break loose in Minneapolis tonight.”
• Jay reflects on years of covering officer-involved shootings and how rarely such early, aggressive official condemnations occur.
  • [38:05] Jay: “I think the biggest surprise to me is just after all these years of officer involved shootings, to hear a mayor and a governor, that's stunning. Jump out and say that officer is in the wrong. Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen that.”

6. Reflections and Broader Political Dynamics

• The episode closes with the hosts expressing frustration at political grandstanding and deepening polarization, bemoaning how ordinary Minnesotans end up “stuck in the middle.”
  • [39:44] Jay: “It's a lot of nasty politics.”
  • [40:08] Jay: “...if you align yourself with just one party, just one, all the time heartbreak. Not only heartbreak, but you're gonna get lied to.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On premature statements by officials:

  “When you draw conclusions and you stand in front of a microphone and start assuming things... that is where it's problematic.” — Rich Stanek [06:55]

• Mayor Frey's explicit comment on ICE:

  “Get the fuck out of Minneapolis.” — Mayor Jacob Frey [25:28]

• On mutual political blame:

  “They're both doing it to each other, if you look at it right.” — Jay [39:44]

• Reflecting on public trust:

  “The public deserves better. The public doesn't want to know about the infighting. They want to know what you're going to do to protect them and keep them safe.” — Rich Stanek [14:39]

• On the unique tone from leadership:

  “Usually the first thing the mayors and the governor are telling you is 'stay calm, wait for the evidence.' Those days are over, apparently, if it’s a federal agent.” — Jay [26:32]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:01] — Introduction of breaking news: the ICE shooting incident
• [04:09] — Discussion of politically charged press conferences immediately post-incident
• [09:03] — Mayor Jacob Frey’s “bullshit” quote rejecting ICE’s self-defense narrative
• [12:15] — Jurisdictional challenges and investigative confusion
• [19:51] — Stanek explains law enforcement training for vehicular threats
• [25:28 / 25:40] — Extended clip: Mayor Frey’s “get the fuck out” tirade against ICE
• [27:50] — Governor Walz’s tweet rebuffing federal statements
• [29:51] — Walz’s press conference blaming Trump and activating the National Guard
• [34:07] — Guard’s intended role clarified amid protest fears
• [35:28] — Comparing video evidence; context of rapid narrative shifts
• [37:09] — Concern over misinformation and social media-driven unrest
• [39:44] — Hosts’ reflection on mutual partisan blame and polarization

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Final Thoughts

The episode ends with hosts lamenting the speed and intensity of political reactions and the challenges in getting the full, factual story before public opinion hardens. They note the risk of escalating tensions and more unrest, knowingly bracing for the story to continue unfolding in real time.

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For listeners interested in the intersection of breaking news, community trust, political rhetoric, and law enforcement, this episode captures a city in flux—and the dangers and responsibilities that come with instant, emotional responses from those in power.

Transcript

[Rich Stanek]

Music.

[Kenny]

J. Coles this is our first lateral show. We had a big, big episode of Krabby Coffee Shop planned today. We were going to talk to Linda from Wisconsin, who at the age of 16 shot a 650 pound black bear in defense and still holds the world correct for the largest bear ever killed by a 16 year old. And then we were going to segue from that into this incredible journalist who goes by the name of Nick Shirley, who broke the story wide open.

[Jay]

Yeah, sure did.

[Kenny]

But instead, all hell broke loose. 34th and Portland this morning.

[Jay]

Correct.

[Kenny]

In south Minneapolis.

[Jay]

Yes. And Linda's biggest claim to fame is she cuts my hair. That's how I found out about the 650 pound bear.

[Mayor Jacob Fry]

Sheep.

[Jay]

What is that?

[Kenny]

That's like a three minute job.

[Jay]

Three minute job. You know, she loves when I come in. Cause it's easy work. So. Yeah. In a more serious note though, earlier today, 34th and Portland or thereabouts, in South Minneapolis, an ICE agent and Department of Homeland Security has confirmed this. An ICE agent shot and killed a protester. And so now both sides, you've got politicians saying it was unjustified already and DHS putting out statements saying it was justified and all needs to be sorted out.

[Kenny]

Protesters that follow the ICE agents around all day long everywhere. She was one of the protesters. In a vehicle.

[Jay]

In a vehicle. And there's a lot of videos out there. And we're lucky to have former Hennepin County Sheriff Rich Stanek with us today to walk us through some of this. Kenny, talk a little bit about what he sees on the video, how these agents are trained in situations like this and what it means when politicians start saying what they're saying today when the investigation is just hours old. Right.

[Kenny]

It's hard to keep your lip zipped.

[Jay]

Correct.

[Kenny]

But you've got to give it time.

[Jay]

You got to give it time. And you know, we're, you know, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry had a lot to say about it. If this were an officer with the Minneapolis Police Department, he might not be saying the same things he's saying today. Right. So, Rich, thanks for joining us. Appreciate it.

[Rich Stanek]

Well, Jay, this is kind of ironic. First off, I haven't met Kenny before, but he seems like an okay guy. You guys the dynamic duo?

[Jay]

Yes, we.

[Rich Stanek]

I appreciate that, but we are a dynamic duo.

[Jay]

Thanks for recognizing.

[Rich Stanek]

Yeah, this is ironic because usually you're the one sitting there, you know, about 20ft from my face, asking me these probing questions. Tell me, tell me, tell me. I want to know what happened, how it happened, where it happened. Why it happened, what are you going to do about it? When are you going to do that about it?

[Jay]

I can be a little annoying, can I?

[Kenny]

Oh, boy.

[Jay]

That's why he doesn't ask me. Ice fishing.

[Rich Stanek]

Find out.

[Jay]

Today he's ice fishing.

[Rich Stanek]

But I'm here to tell you. I'm here to tell you, you know, it's always better to wait just a little while, get the facts right, correct, make sure, be confident what it is that you're telling the public. That's what transparency and accountability is about. The last thing you want to do is go back later tonight, tomorrow morning and have to correct information that you put out earlier, because then you lose. You lose trust, you lose credibility. These things take time to put together. It is a very complex investigation when shots are fired by a law enforcement officer against, you know, someone from the public. And in this case, that person tragically died. And there are a lot of witnesses, a lot of video. I'm sure there are jurisdictional issues about who's investigating when, why, how, where, who has jurisdiction. And then you got the mayor and the police chief, you know, doing a press conference literally an hour, hour and a half or so after this tragic incident.

[Jay]

And not just any kind of news conference. They said some accusatory things right out of the gate.

[Kenny]

Let's start with what we have seen. Jay, you describe what we have seen on video taken from a resident, I believe, who was up on maintenance, maybe a second story of a house.

[Jay]

That's what it looks like. And then there's another one by a reporter with the Minnesota Reformer. Okay, so there's two videos that I've seen, Rich, I don't know how many you've been able to see, but talk.

[Kenny]

Us through from your memory what was on the video.

[Jay]

The first one I saw was at street level rather than up on a porch, which is the one you're talking about. And you can see that the car. And Rich, I'm sure you saw the same video. The car is crossways blocking the road. It's not parallel to the road, it's blocking the street.

[Kenny]

And Portland, I believe, is a one way, southbound. Southbound, one way it would be.

[Jay]

Yeah, it is southbound one way.

[Kenny]

And.

[Jay]

So she's blocking ICE agents. Right. And you can see the ICE agents walk toward the car. And then you can audibly hear them say, get out of the car. And as they approach the car, she then hits the gas and turns to the right.

[Kenny]

Okay.

[Jay]

And then you hear the shots ring out. The second video, Rich, from the porch, you see basically the Same thing that second video does show. It almost looks like she does clip an officer right on her left front driver's side.

[Kenny]

It looks like he went down there or whoever the officer was went down.

[Jay]

It's hard to tell. And that's, excuse me, it looks like about the time the shots were fired. And Rich has seen some of these same videos. So as a former, you know, many years in the Minneapolis Police Department, former sheriff of Hennepin county, when you see those videos, Rich, walk us through it. What do you see in those videos? I know this is at the outset, but what do you see at the outset? What do they tell you?

[Rich Stanek]

And Jay, I told somebody earlier, my brother who called me about this. I told him, look, he said, you've been involved in a number of these over the years, both as commander, the investigator as well as the head person who has to sort all this out. And first thing we do is slow everything down to make sure we get the facts straight. Unfortunately, you only know what you know at the time. But like I said, there will be a lot of different video angles. Cell phones, body worn cameras, squad videos, maybe news media that were on scene. This wasn't something that was done in the, you know, the depths of the darkness when nobody was around. And then you've got a lot of eyewitness who's who saw things. Some people straight up, some people thought they saw something, but you got to slow it down a little bit because you got to get this right. It did.

[Jay]

Look, I'm sorry to interrupt you. It looked to me like she did accelerate. There's been talk about acceleration. Did you see that?

[Rich Stanek]

Well, there's no question. That car went into reverse, moved a few feet and then went forward. The position of the officer, whether she saw the officer, didn't see the officer who was giving the verbal commands, which one fired the, you know, the shots at the vehicle. All that's got to be determined. Was it one, was it more than one? I heard, you know, three shots on, but there may have been, you know, we just don't know. And I've been surprised many times over the years by what I'm told by a subordinate out at the scene, you know, a sergeant, a lieutenant, they mean well, but they only know what somebody told them. And so you get this third, fourth hand information. I don't think the mayor of the city of Minneapolis, Minneapolis was out at the scene. I don't think he was directly involved in this. So he heard it from somebody else who heard it from somebody else who heard it from Somebody else. And I guarantee you, sometimes that information gets a little tangled. But when you draw conclusions and you stand in front of a microphone and you start assuming things and putting them out there as fact, that is where it's problematic. I know he wants to be. He wants to tell the public what happened. He wants to be transparent. It's the kind of mayor that he is. But the problem is he's been wrong more than once. He could very well be wrong in this scenario. And then later tonight, tomorrow, the next day, as the facts come out to be true, the story changes. That is not good for the public, that is not good for the perception. That is not good for what's going on here. And I would tell the mayor, look, if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. I don't think he's been part of the solution with this the last couple weeks. Telling his police department to stand down, amping the rhetoric. In the different press conferences I've seen telling ICE agents to get the frick out of Minneapolis. Come on now. I've been around a long time. I've never heard a mayor say that.

[Kenny]

Rich, we just happen to have the audio for that. Can we play that, please? Robbie?

[Rich Stanek]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mayor Jacob Fry]

So they are already trying to spin this as an action of self defense. Having seen the video of myself, I want to tell everybody directly that is bullshit. This was an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying, getting killed.

[Jay]

So, wow, what do you make of that, Rich, coming from a seated mayor.

[Rich Stanek]

Some professional at best. But again, you know, if you're not part of this solution, you're part of the problem. Part of the problem is the ramped up rhetoric that he and other elected officials are using. The public, you know, they're going to do what they're going to do, but don't encourage them. Don't be the chief cheerleader. Be the chief officer of a major city in this country and be the kind of mayor that we want. And I'm not being overly critical of Mayor Fry. He knows how I feel about situations like this. I many times over the years have had to talk with the mayors of cities and governors of the state of Minnesota and other elected officials and give them the facts of what happened, whether they liked it or not, and asked them to slow down a little bit. Don't get so far out there. The police chief should be telling him the same thing. But, you know, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But what we saw and what we heard today, I think people would agree was probably a little above and beyond what you'd expect from. From a mayor. But that doesn't change the facts of what happened. I mean, it's tragic all the way around. You know, you've got multiple agencies investigating this incident. You've got a county attorney, a U.S. attorney. You got the sheriff's office, Minneapolis police, federal law enforcement, probably through the FBI as their investigative agency. And that's a lot of people. Usually. Usually what I told you earlier today, Jay, when we chatted for a few minutes, usually you've got the local police working with federal police, and you're working from the inside out. In this case, Minneapolis and Hennepin county around the outside looking in. And that's a really tough position to be in because now, you know, people are not trusting of each other. You've got jurisdictional issues. You've got the governor weighing in. He's got his own problems the last couple of days. God knows, you know, it's just not a good situation. The last thing I thought after the Annunciation shooting a couple months ago was that Minneapolis was going to be in the news again. And then it was, you know, welfare fraud, childcare issues, Somali community ice. Now you've got this. And I know what Mayor Fry's thinking. He's thinking, hey, I told the public there's gonna be a tragic shooting. Someone's gonna get killed, for God's sakes. Well, it happened today. But what part and what role did you play in all that?

[Jay]

Yeah, I thought it was interesting. I'm glad you brought up whose jurisdiction who's gonna investigate? Chief o' Hara said it's the FBI and the bca. It seems to me that it would be important to have at least the BCA doing a parallel investigation with the FBI, right, Rich? You gotta have some local entity, state or city, however you wanna do it. You can't just have the feds investigating the feds on this, can you?

[Rich Stanek]

No. I mean, that's not normally the way this happens. Usually you've got. If this was a partnership, if they had been working together, you'd have Minneapolis police working with the Federal Bureau of Investigation on this scene to get all the facts, the video, the interviews done and presented to the U.S. attorney, if appropriate, and. Or the Hennepin county attorney, as appropriate. But I don't see that happening here. These two aren't even talking. I mean, Chief o' Hara said he wasn't even aware of these enforcement operations the last couple of days. What does that tell you? You're on the outside looking in rather than the inside working together.

[Jay]

Creates a whole unique set of potential problems, really, doesn't it, for the. For the investigation. I mean, it sounds like it. Can I just simply put it. It sounds like it could be a.

[Kenny]

Mess, you know, and thankfully, it was a mess. Thankfully, o' Hare and the Minneapolis Police Department are off the hook in this case, you know, because like Rich said, they didn't know about this. He did talk about it today. Chief o' Hare did. Part of what he said is we arrived and found a woman with a gunshot wound to the head. Life saving measures were performed at the scene, including cpr. The woman was transported to hcmc, where she has since been pronounced deceased. The preliminary information that we have indicates that the woman was in her vehicle, was blocking the roadway on Portland midway between 33rd and 34th. At some point, a federal law enforcement officer approached her on foot, and the vehicle began to drive off. At least two shots were fired. The vehicle then crashed on the side of the roadway.

[Governor Tim Walz]

Wow.

[Kenny]

And that's from Chief o'. Hara.

[Rich Stanek]

So those are undeniable facts as recovered from the scene, as reported and verified by the evidence. That's all you really need to say. You know, when people are standing at the press conference and somebody kind of goes off the handle, which they do on occasion, step away, because the public deserves better. The public doesn't want to know about the infighting. They want to know what you're going to do to protect them and keep them safe. There are people on both sides of this ICE immigration issue. You don't have to take sides. You just want to know that your community is protected and that you're not going to be in harm's way. And I don't know that that isn't, you know, what's happening here is in the best interest of the residents of Minneapolis. I was born and raised there. I still live there. And I want the best for Minneapolis. I don't want to be on the news every third or fourth week across this country and having all these. These folks calling us and asking us what's going on. It's embarrassing.

[Kenny]

Yeah.

[Rich Stanek]

It is not right. That's not who we are in Minnesota.

[Kenny]

It is painful. What do you think of Chief Oharas, how he's handled his job in the last few months? From my angle, he's been on a roller coaster. First he was applauded, then everybody's yelling at him, and now they're mad. It's just back and forth with this. Chief, what are your thoughts on how he's been doing the job the last six months or so.

[Rich Stanek]

Well, it's not easy being a chief law enforcement officer. I've had an opportunity to have coffee with him one on one. I think he's a. I think he's a nice guy. I think he's capable, and I think he's competent. But he's in a really tough position. You know, he works for a mayor and he works for a city council, and he's got 13 different bosses. As much as they say he only has one these days. He's got 13. He's got community pressures. He's got a lot of stuff going on. But he also knows better. He's been a police chief a long time. This is the end of his third year as a Minneapolis police chief. He knew what he was getting into. I think, you know, and I see him on a national level with the Police Executive Research Forum and others. I know he's respected by other chief law enforcement officers around the country. But you gotta do your job, and you gotta do it well every day. The pressure's on. I'd hate to be him and wake up in the morning, look in the mirror every single morning and go, what the hell is gonna hit me between the eyes today? And when he got up this morning, I guarantee you he didn't think this was gonna be it. He didn't think two months ago it was annunciation. He didn'. You know, so on and so forth about some of the incidents that have happened. But, hey, they're professionals. We deal with this. The harder it gets, the better we react. That's what my wife used to always tell me. Still tells me, because I'm still married to her. She tells me all the time, look, you know, the harder it gets, the better you get at your job. Because we're trained and we prepare and we exercise incessantly for the big one, like today, hoping it never happens, but knowing full well it does.

[Kenny]

Yeah.

[Rich Stanek]

Chief, do you know, I appreciate you. You're right on track with this.

[Kenny]

Do you know if these ICE officers wear body cams? Do you know?

[Rich Stanek]

You know, that's a. That's a good question. I saw some yesterday that were wearing them on different video at an arrest scene over in South Minneapolis. But I don't know. You know, every single one of them. And we had this problem with the U.S. marshals, right? Federal law enforcement don't always follow the same rules. Minneapolis cops do, Hennepin county sheriffs do. But there are a lot of agencies in the country that have still not transitioned to body worn cameras. They are the. They were supposed to be the silent witness. You know, they're objective. They. They take it all in as it comes and shows us what really happened.

[Kenny]

They shoot remarkably clear video and the microphones are just too damn good, if you ask me. You know what I mean?

[Rich Stanek]

You want to be Axon. And on the upper right hand corner, you've always got the little logo. Yeah, that's exactly what branding that. Yeah, great.

[Kenny]

You can't hide from those things.

[Jay]

I have a feeling if they're not wearing them now, they probably are in the future after something like this happens. Take me. You mentioned you touched on something, Rich, that. Yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe. You mentioned the training that goes on for situations like this. I've already seen the stuff on social media. You know, why didn't they shoot the grill, why didn't they shoot the tires, so on and so forth.

[Kenny]

It drives me crazy.

[Jay]

Which is, you know, like you said in the movies, Kenny. Yeah, yeah. You can easily do it in Starsc.

[Kenny]

What? Can't you wing them? Just shoot them in the leg. Yeah, right. Okay.

[Jay]

That's not exactly how it works, Rich. In something like this, based on what you've seen, they're trained. You know, everybody's made the point, she wasn't armed, she didn't have a weapon. But they don't understand the vehicle can be considered a weapon.

[Kenny]

It actually is. I looked it up and it is a felony.

[Jay]

It's a weapon. So when you're something like this, Rich, how are they trained if that vehicle starts to come at them? What?

[Rich Stanek]

Jay and Kenny, they are fully trained law enforcement officers, just like local police, just like Hennepin county sheriff's deputies. They go to the federal law enforcement training Center. They have policies and procedures and protocols. They have rules of engagement, so to speak. They follow, you know, the different laws, first and foremost from their own agency under the U.S. constitution. They follow the, you know, our Constitution in terms of fourth amendment and first Amendment and all that. So they are fully trained law enforcement. There is no. There is no light of day between what training they receive and local law enforcement receives. And yes, a vehicle can be a weapon if used in that way. It's been time and time and time again. So, Jay, I got to jump to another call, but I hope one day you'll have me back on I, you know, or.

[Jay]

Absolutely.

[Rich Stanek]

Over for a cup of crabby coffee.

[Jay]

Well, absolutely.

[Kenny]

Just invite us fishing.

[Jay]

Yeah, ice fishing would be nice.

[Kenny]

We'd far rather go fishing.

[Jay]

We'll do the show from your ice shack. How about that? Rich? Hey, thanks. I know it's on short notice.

[Rich Stanek]

Ice Castle.

[Jay]

Yeah, it'd be fantastic. Have us up. We'll do the show from there. Okay. And thanks on short notice. I appreciate it. Have a good one, Rich. See you later.

[Kenny]

Thank you. Let's take a quick break, Jay. We'll be right back.

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[Kenny]

I love breaking news. I really do. I'm addicted to days like today. And the news is breaking hard and fast. Even as we're doing the podcast right now, we should tell what the hell time is it? It's 3:31 right now as we're recording this. Before we get to the new breaking news, I want to air this Mare Fry cut a longer version of it. So let's just run a little bit of that Mare Frey cut.

[Mayor Jacob Fry]

We've dreaded this moment since the early stages of this ice presence in Minneapolis. Not only is this a concern that we've had internally, we've been talking about it. They are not here to cause safety in this city. What they are doing is not to provide safety in America. What they are doing is causing chaos and distrust. They're ripping families apart, they're sowing chaos on our streets and in this case, quite literally killing people. So they are already trying to spin this as an action of self defense. Having seen the video of myself, I want to tell everybody directly that is bullshit. This was an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying, getting killed. As soon as it happened and we learned of the incident, we had several priorities. The first, of course, was to get the victim to the hospital and to get care as soon as possible to the family. I'm so deeply sorry. There's nothing that I can say right now that's gonna make you or your relatives or the friends of the victim feel any better. There were, I believe, two Minneapolis police officers that responded and were in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. The second was to get ICE off of the scene. There were dozens, if not hundreds of ICE and federal officers that were there at the time. Having them there was only causing more chaos. Having them there was only making a difficult situation even more problematic. And one that, yes, they created themselves. There's little I can say again that'll make this situation better. But I do have a message for our community, for our city, and I have a message for ICE to ice, get the fuck out of Minneapolis.

[Jay]

There you go.

[Kenny]

Okay.

[Jay]

He said hundreds of ice ages.

[Kenny]

He said dozens, if not hundreds.

[Jay]

Who are they extracting from that neighborhood? That would require hundreds of agents. I mean, think about that. Hundreds means three.

[Kenny]

Maduro. But you're right, hundreds, Hundreds.

[Rich Stanek]

Okay.

[Kenny]

Obviously life was lost here and we.

[Jay]

Shouldn'T laugh, but it's quite the statement, right? It's quite the statement.

[Kenny]

And speaking of statements, we have two things from the governor. First, I want you to read a quote you discovered here that was made earlier today. And then I believe Robbie, our producer, has some audio we want to play. But first I want to hear that quote from the governor and to set it up. Go ahead, Jay, you go.

[Jay]

The reason I wanted to bring it up, I'm glad you mentioned it, is. Cause it's kind of extraordinary. I've been covering this for a long time. This kind of stuff, right?

[Kenny]

Yeah.

[Jay]

A lot of officer involved shootings over the years. And usually the first thing the mayors and the governor are telling you is.

[Kenny]

Stay calm, let's wait. Let's wait for the evidence.

[Jay]

See the evidence, let's see where this takes us. And justice will be done. Those days are over, apparently. If it's a federal agent. All that's out the window.

[Kenny]

I don't know how it works, Jay.

[Jay]

That's the part.

[Kenny]

I'm just a traffic reporter that has a side job is a podcast.

[Jay]

And even I don't know how this all works because as a reporter, you're used to hearing that from them. And that's what leads us to this tweet from Governor Walz. It's on the Channel 5 webpage. Can't really tell what time he. I guess 1:13. Okay, 1:13 today. So Homeland Security puts out U.S. homeland Security, not Minnesota Homeland Security. In their tweet, they say today ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers. And one of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them. And then it's an act of domestic terrorism. To which Governor Walz on his Twitter account responded.

[Kenny]

Hold on, I need to brace myself. All right, I'm ready.

[Jay]

I've seen the video. Don't believe this propaganda machine. The state will ensure there is a full, fair and expeditious investigation to ensure accountability and justice. So again, I can't stress enough how unique it is to hear a mayor and then a governor say the video's out there. We don't believe anything that any when the investigation is literally hours old.

[Kenny]

I was so shocked.

[Jay]

I'm surprised by that.

[Kenny]

When the governor decided to take on the feds earlier this week in his press conference and then single out Joe Thompson who's done so much work to uncover the fraud. Yes, I was surprised at that.

[Jay]

I was, too.

[Kenny]

This goes way beyond.

[Jay]

And Remember, Joe, as first lead U.S. attorney, first assistant lead attorney in the U.S. attorney's office here for Minnesota, he's worked for both Republicans and Democrats.

[Kenny]

As a matter of fact, wasn't he appointed by a Democrat?

[Jay]

He was hired by a Republican first and then retained by a Democrat.

[Kenny]

Okay, all right.

[Jay]

So yeah, he's worked for both. And yeah, so that was extraordinary. What makes this extraordinary is because we've had officer involved shootings and it's always the tone is wait until the investigation is done.

[Kenny]

Let's just say one thing about Joe Thompson. In government, both Republicans and Democrats hate Joe Thompson for the work that he has done.

[Jay]

Right. Which tells you he's doing a great job.

[Kenny]

Right, Exactly.

[Jay]

When both sides are angry at you, you're doing a really good job.

[Kenny]

Okay, so then.

[Jay]

So now let's fast forward to the latest from the governor, which is what you've got.

[Kenny]

I Have it. But maybe the audio is just as clear.

[Jay]

I believe so.

[Kenny]

We have his opening statement here at a press conference that he took on.

[Governor Tim Walz]

The deadly ICE shooting.

[Jay]

And then he. Then he goes on to take some questions. We may have some of that as well, but I do have the.

[Kenny]

The. The opening statement here where he kind of gets to the nuts and bolts of it. Here we go.

[Governor Tim Walz]

Good afternoon. Today I'm joined by Department of Public Safety Commissioner Bob Jacobson, Colonel Shaffer of the Minnesota National Guard, and Colonel Bogojevic of the Minnesota State Patrol. This morning, we learned that an ICE officer shot and killed someone in Minneapolis. My deepest condolences to the family, to the loved ones who had to learn about this tragic event on national television. We have been warning for weeks that the Trump administration's dangerous, sensationalized operations are a threat to our public safety, that someone was going to get hurt. Just yesterday, I said exactly that. What we're seeing is the consequences of governance designed to generate fear, headlines, and conflict. It's governing by reality tv, and today that recklessness costs someone their life. I've reached out to Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem, and I'm waiting to hear back. Let me be clear. The Trump and his. Donald Trump and his administration may not care much about Minnesota. That's been pretty evident. But we love this state. We won't let them tear us apart. We'll not turn against each other. To Minnesotans, I say this. I feel your anger. I'm angry. They want to show we can't give it to them. We cannot. If you protest and express your First Amendment rights, please do so peacefully, as you always do. We can't give them what they want. The hearts and minds of the people in this state are on our side. To Americans, I ask you this. Please stand with Minneapolis. To Minnesotans, know that our administration is going to stop at nothing to seek accountability and justice. The State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension are working on the investigation. We have activated the State Emergency Operations Center, State Patrol, Minnesota National Guard leadership is connected with the Minneapolis Police Department, the St. Paul Police Department, Hennepin County Sheriff's Office, the DNR, and Minnesota's Homeland Security and Emergency Management. We have activated dozens of members of the State Patrol's mobile response team. And from here on, I have a very simple message. We do not need any further help from the federal government. To Donald Trump and Kristi Noem, You've done enough. There's nothing more important than Minnesotan safety. I've issued a warning order to prepare the Minnesota National Guard. We have soldiers in training and prepared to be deployed if necessary. I remind you, a warning order is a heads up for folks. And these National Guard troops are our National Guard troops. They're teachers in your community. They're business owners. They're construction professionals. They are Minnesotans. Minnesota will not allow our community to be used as a prop in a national political fight. We will not take the bait. We will continue to update you, Minnesota, as we get more information. Now I'd like to turn it over to Commissioner Bob Jacobson of the Minnesota Department of Public Safety.

[Kenny]

Should we let it go? That's enough.

[Jay]

I mean, the National Guard part is the big news. I don't even know what that means.

[Kenny]

I was gonna ask you to explain this.

[Jay]

Don't know.

[Kenny]

In my simple mind, he's pitting the National Guard guys that aren't professionals by any means against federal officers. He's also. Is he pitting State Patrol, reserve officers and local Minneapolis police against ice?

[Jay]

All really good questions that I don't know how to answer. Only thing I can maybe guess, Kenny, is by putting him on alert, he means in case there's civil unrest over this. I can't imagine. It's the Guard on alert to stop ICE and further operations. Right?

[Kenny]

Right.

[Jay]

I don't think.

[Kenny]

I can't even jump to a conclusion there. I'd like to.

[Jay]

Yeah. We just don't have enough information.

[Kenny]

Another conclusion I want to jump to. I don't know if I should, though. Is. Is this an overreaction to compensate for his lack of reaction during the riots? Remember when every news anchor in town was yelling into the camera, where are you during the riots?

[Jay]

Fair question. It's all fair. I mean, maybe they'll answer it in the future. Did he say more in the news conference? Let's listen. Yes, he did.

[Governor Tim Walz]

And I would make note, Mary, and to Minnesotans on this about the National Guard. They're there to protect you and protect your constitutional rights. These are our neighbors. They don't wear masks. They don't bust in from somewhere else. They're not here to cause hassles to you or what we saw today, the tragedy having them at the ready to make sure. Because when we see these types of things happen, and we saw it after the murder of George Floyd, there's folks that want to cause chaos. There's the disruptors in it and why. The vast majority of those protests were peaceful expressions or First Amendment rights. There were those that destroyed property and put people at risk. The National Guard is there to make sure that peaceful protests are able to be done, and that those that want to do the destruction are stopped from doing.

[Jay]

That answers the question. So it was more toward what I was thinking, unrest as opposed to trying to stop ICE from doing the next operation. Because at first you're like, the National Guard's at high alert, and they're ready to move in. We don't need you anymore. Ice. What are you telling me? But clearly what he's saying is, if there's unrest, we're gonna tamp it down before it gets bad.

[Kenny]

Well, there's two angles, two videos that were shot this morning of what happened in Portland. And they both tell a different story, don't they? It's kind of like the George Floyd thing. One video shows you one thing, and then the other video, which was Officer Warren body cam, shows you an entirely different thing.

[Jay]

And I do think, Kenny, before this is all over, there's gonna be so many more videos that we don't even know about yet. There's gonna be dash cam video from squad cars. There's gonna be ring video from people's homes, ring cameras on their front porches. I mean, we've only seen a couple. I've only seen two.

[Kenny]

Right.

[Jay]

And we saw the same thing. She's blocking the road with her car. Backs up, officer says, stop. She doesn't stop. She continues on. And the question that hasn't been answered yet, and we might not get answers for a while, was, was there an ICE agent? It looks like in that second video, it clips someone.

[Kenny]

It does look that way, but it happens so, so fast.

[Jay]

And we don't even know if. I'm assuming that was an ICE agent that got clipped by the car. I don't even know if that was an ICE agent, because you couldn't really distinguish in the video. So quite a remarkable day all the way around. Wow.

[Governor Tim Walz]

Right?

[Kenny]

Are you gonna go home? I feel like we should stay here and monitor. I think it's just gonna play out throughout the evening.

[Jay]

Oh, this is gonna be the story through tonight and well into tomorrow and tomorrow night. And if things were to happen as the governor's said, there might, clearly they're preparing for unrest. Right? They're preparing for possible riots again. And, you know, so who knows where that could lead. But this is a big, big deal today.

[Kenny]

Do you feel that what the mayor said and what the governor said early on before this press conference will incite rioting?

[Jay]

Good question.

[Kenny]

Here's what I can't stop thinking about. Remember, shortly after. I can't put. I can't Tell you how many months it was. But there was a chase in downtown Minneapolis, a foot chase with a suspect. The susp ended up shooting himself. He committed suicide, killed himself. The town went crazy thinking that the Minneapolis police had shot him and they were just ill informed and they used social media.

[Jay]

Yeah, got it wrong.

[Kenny]

I can see that happening in this case. Where all hell is going to break loose in Minneapolis tonight?

[Jay]

It very well could. It's just so hard to know and predict, you know, what's going to happen next. I think the biggest surprise to me is just after all these years of officer involved shootings, to hear a mayor and a governor, that's stunning. Jump out and say that officer is in the wrong. Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen that.

[Kenny]

There was one time where President Obama went after a cop in a police related shooting early on in his administration.

[Jay]

Where he forcefully said, you know, a bunch of bs.

[Kenny]

Yeah. Before all the facts were.

[Jay]

Because think about it, I mean, Fry said what the Department of Homeland Security is telling us is bs and Governor Walz said, don't believe the propaganda. And the Investigation's not even 12 hours old, right.

[Kenny]

It's not even six hours old, is it?

[Jay]

Not even. No, because it happened right around. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Not even six hours. Yeah. And again, I wonder if that had been a Minneapolis police officer, would the mayor have said that?

[Kenny]

That's such a good question.

[Jay]

If it was a BCA agent, which is state police, would Governor Walls about a BCA agent, are they only saying it? The question I would have for them, and it's a fair question to ask them, is are you saying it because it's a federal agent in this case? And why wouldn't you say what you've always said? Let the evidence determine what we do next. So not an extraordinary day.

[Kenny]

I don't want you to.

[Jay]

Sad, but extraordinary.

[Kenny]

I don't want you to go out on a political limb and take a side here and believe it or not, we've known each other for years. I have no idea what side of the aisle you're on and I don't want to. No. But I don't care if people know about my side of the aisle. And if you ask me, this is just from speaking on what the governor said. This is just more gaslighting for him. His press conference earlier in the week, he averted criticism by blaming everything on Trump.

[Jay]

And that's a fair. Because they're both doing it to each other, if you look at it right.

[Rich Stanek]

Oh, that's A good point.

[Jay]

Trump's doing it to him, that's doing it to Trump. It's a lot of nasty politics, which.

[Kenny]

Yeah. And as Minnesotans, now we're stuck in the middle.

[Jay]

We're stuck in the middle.

[Rich Stanek]

Yeah.

[Kenny]

And that goes for both sides. Democrats, Republicans, we're all stuck in the middle.

[Jay]

I always tell Kenny, here's what I tell people. After covering news for so long and covering both Democrats and Republicans, I'm kind of like a man without a political party.

[Kenny]

If I were you, I think it would be a perfect opportunity to not vote.

[Jay]

There are days I feel like I don't want to.

[Kenny]

Nobody I vote for wins anyway. And if they do win, they always end up disappointing me.

[Jay]

Well, exactly. And as a reporter, they end up disappointing you. So I'm a man without a party because I can honestly tell you I've seen good on the left, good on the right, bad on the left, bad on the. I'm almost. It depends on almost the issue before I can figure out whether I'm left or right. You know what I mean? You do learn after a while, covering it for so long, that if you align yourself with just one party, just one, all the time heartbreak. Not only heartbreak, but you're gonna get lied to.

[Kenny]

Yeah.

[Jay]

So how's that? Did I at least answer the question a little bit?

[Kenny]

I'm of the party of. I'm from the beer party.

[Rich Stanek]

Yes.

[Jay]

Beers and suds.

[Kenny]

Just leave me the hell alone party.

[Jay]

Who's your president? Vice president. Beers and Suds.

[Kenny]

I don't know. Do you have anything more to say?

[Jay]

That's it, brother.

[Kenny]

I'm afraid by 9pm everything will have changed. And by tomorrow it'll be a whole new story.

[Jay]

Well, you're right. Tomorrow will be a whole new story. But for the rest of today, what we've covered so far, and given what Fry and Walls has said, we're on. Crabby Coffee Shop is on top of it today.

[Kenny]

I think so. I think so.

[Jay]

We did.

[Governor Tim Walz]

Nice.

[Kenny]

Well, that was interesting. It's fun working during breaking news.

[Jay]

It is, isn't it?

[Kenny]

Even though the news was horrible and we have a whole different kind of show scheduled next week.

[Jay]

Yeah. A little lighter on the lighter side.

[Kenny]

We hope so, anyway. So please join us again next week and thank you for listening to the Krabby Coff Shop.