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C
This is a peaceful protest. Says the frozen water bottle throwing antifa thug. Oh, and that umbrella guy that broke the window of the auto parts store in Lake street and started the looting and burning. He was actually a police officer slash white supremacist slash biker gang member. Conservative. Not one of our peaceful protesters. And when I said get your gun and start sh. ICE agents, I meant finger guns and water pistols. I surely wasn't inciting rioting or harming government agencies. I could go on and on, Jay, with the pathetically lame attempts that these thugs use to gaslight Americans that only the local newspaper seems to believe. But let's. Let's get right to it, Jay. Yesterday, federal prosecutors unsealed conspiracy charges against 15 people they accused of coordinating with each other to impede immigration enforcement efforts in Minnesota this year. And that is our topic for today. Jay.
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B
Yeah, you know, you summed it up so nicely. I'm fascinated by this whole antifa movement, if you will, because I don't completely understand. I understand it better now after talking to people like our next guest, retired FBI Agent Kyle Lovin's gonna join us and explain a lot of how this all operates. But they seem to be popping up in my life as a reporter, especially in the last six to seven years. And I could never figure out, Kenny, they would always say, well, it's not an organization. They're not really well organized. There's no hierarchy. But yet now there's charges against groups from the U.S. attorney that are listed as antifa, as if it is an organization. And I was told many different things, Kenny, that they'll pop up at the George Floyd riots. I was even told January 6, even though it wasn't an antifa event per se. There were antifa people at the January 6th stuff in Washington. Now there's stuff here with Operation Metro Surge. So they seem to be. If they're not an organization, they seem to be in a lot of different places at a lot of different times. And they're even out in Portland and Seattle, as we've seen, Jay.
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C
And funded handsomely. Yes.
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B
Very important to understand that they've got money bags at the other end. Right. And Kyle Lovin's gonna explain a little bit about how that works. And again, Kyle's here speaking as an expert, not representing the FBI, even though he's a retired FBI agent for many years. I think what we need to do is to start with just a quick Soundbite from the U.S. attorney for Minnesota, Daniel Rosen. He kind of explains briefly we'll get into the indictment with these 15 characters, but he of explains why they decided to charge these individuals. Gabe, be assured, the Department of justice and my U.S. attorney's office has and will distinguish between lawful protest and criminal conduct. These defendants have been charged not for what they said, but for what they did. They all joined an agreement. A conspiracy to interfere with lawful immigration enforcement operations. The conspiracy was not to interfere by their voice, but to do it by force. That's a crime and it will not be tolerated in the United States. Important to point out there, not about free speech, not about the right to peacefully assemble and protest. The U.S. attorney says this was a conspiracy to impede federal agents and in some cases, attack those federal agents. Then he went on, Kenny, to show us exactly the kind of people we're talking about. This is one of the guys who was charged yesterday, and this is a Facebook post of his. So they are watching these characters, and this is what they're all about. Gabe, play that one.
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My name is Kyle. I'm antifa. And there's so much rage in me
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that I've had to record this like
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E
15 times trying to get the message out. They up. Okay, go watch my other videos. Doesn't matter if you're not here, you're not caught up, you've missed the fight. But if you are, it's time to shoot up. Boots on the ground. Nicolette and 26. My house is four blocks away. Anywhere between Franklin and Nicolet and 26th and Nicholas show up ready to go. Okay, no not talking about peaceful protests anymore. We're not talking about having polite conversations anymore. I am talking specifically to my followers. This is everything I have talked about. And this is exactly what I said was gonna happen. This is exactly what I said was gonna come. But we didn't go and march on Whipple with guns. Sorry, but welcome to America 2026, where Second Amendment is the only thing that's gonna keep you fucking protected from literal fucking Nazi gunmen that are killing innocent people in the street with impunity. This is not a fucking joke. There's nothing fun to chant about it. Get your guns and stop these fucking people.
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B
I don't think I've ever heard a news conference with that many F bombs in it before, especially from the Minnesota U.S. attorney's office. But gives you an idea the type of people that were charged yesterday. And then this last video with some sound and gives you an idea of some of the other people who support these thugs. Gabe.
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We tried to get into the courthouse to pack the court, but too many people came and the court was immediately, almost immediately, filled. So the rest of us came and stayed outside in order to rally and show our support. We were holding the courtroom doors open in order in hopes that they could hear us upstairs. Kind of out of nowhere, one of the staff and officials told me, like, hey, you need to close the door. And we were trying to negotiate. We were saying, like, we can't close the doors if you create an overflow space for us so we can support inside. And instead of responding in any sort of way, he came out with masks, agents in riot gear. He told me once again, close the door. I asked, if we close the door. If we don't close the door, are you going to gas us? He just said, close the door. And an agent threw tear gas into the crowd without warning.
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C
Drop the charges.
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Drop them now.
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C
Drop the charges. Drop them now. We want justice. Music yeah, that'll work. Drop the charges. Drop them now. We want justice.
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A
Unit, drop the charges.
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B
That's the federal courthouse. They're told there's no room, you can't go any further. And what do they do? You saw what they do. They protest, quote, unquote. Protest.
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C
We were really surprised, or at least I was, at how fast these folks mobilize when they think something is going down. And what I'm referencing here in my mind is that drug bust we had on Lake street where federal agents arrested a really, really bad guy and the dumbbells that responded thought it had something to do with ice, when in fact it had. It was, you might have to correct me, but it was one of the biggest meth busts we've had in the state.
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B
It was one of the biggest. And if not the biggest, but it's clearly one of the biggest, had nothing to do with ICE operations in terms of immigration.
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C
They were quick to mobilize, but they were 100% wrong. And then of course they got mad at Minneapolis police for just trying to maintain crowd control.
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B
Yes, exactly. I mean those little clips we just gave you there outside of the U.S. attorney. Right. Those two clip show you who we're dealing with and what kind of mindset we're dealing with. And that's where I want to bring in Kyle to explain a little bit about. For those who might not quite understand what ANTIFA is. It stands for anti Fascism, but it's not necessarily an organized group. Right. Kyle, explain to the listener, the viewers, how does ANTIFA work? And this group that was prosecuted or charged yesterday, Kyle? I think it's called Direct Action Minnesota is the name of the group. DAM is the acronym, but clearly part of antifa. What is antifa? How does it exist and how is it not an organization?
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F
Well, first off, thanks for having me on the, on the podcast. Appreciate the invitation. ANTIFA is, it's not your typical hierarchical organization where you have the chiefs or the bosses or the supervisors. It's more of. It's a movement centered around ideology and dependent upon followers or adherents to the movement. There's no card carrying ANTIFA members that simply doesn't exist. They mobilize through social media platforms, they communicate through largely encrypted communications, and they're well funded. Somewhere in your piece I mentioned they're well funded. They are very well funded. And I think that's the, that's the most important aspect of why this organization or why this movement exists. But by and large there are no card carrying members of this group, which makes them a bit beguiling when it comes to law enforcement to try to nail down how to go about to prosecute so called members of the group when a lot of the group's Activities are intentionally opaque.
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B
And to Kenny's point, they mobilize very quickly. Kenny is right. It is amazing how quickly they can get people out, right?
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F
Absolutely. They have what I would term signal callers who put out information. And that's a signal to those adherents, whichever community you're in, if it's Minneapolis, St. Paul, Portland, Seattle, there are adherents, as I refer to them, who will answer that call. Again, not that they're card carrying members, but they understand that when, when certain signals are put out there that they need to be at a certain place at a certain time to quote unquote, protest, which largely means riot and causes cause destruction. So it's a very, it's a very interesting group from the standpoint of they're able to mobilize very effectively without any type of a traditional hierarchical organization.
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B
And a really important distinction you made right there. This is generally speaking, anybody who follows the antifa movement or wants to join in on these things. Kyle, correct me if I'm wrong. For the most part, most of them are not that interested in peaceful protests. They're interested in chaos. They're interested in rioting and chaos and, and creating as much confusion as possible. And I started to see that and witness it firsthand during the George Floyd riots. Am I correct about that?
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You are correct. Most of these adherents, they. I think the old phrase was they live to get radical. They live for the chaos. Not to be overly stereotypical, but a lot of times there's not a lot of positivity going on in lives of some of these people. They see this as a way for them to raise their profile, as it were, and become a member of a group that or a movement that's greater than themselves. So in a sense it gives some worth to some of the people who answer to these calls and the adherence of the movement because in their mind it brings some esteem. It makes them belong to a movement which is greater than themselves and it gives some meaning in a lot of, a lot of cases.
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C
Do they even know the antifa types or the anarchists? Do they even know what goal they're working for? They seem to me to be really dumb. The guy with all the F bombs just flat out seems like a dumbass to me. Just blatantly stupid. Do they know what they're working for?
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That's hard to say. Most of these, Most of these folks, I would dare to guess if you sat down and went through point by point with respect to maybe a civics discussion. Yeah, a lot of times that's just not in the cards. Again, a lot of these people live to get radical. And if there's a movement being provided or a sense of, if there's any type of a sense or a whiff of quote, unquote, injustice, they're all in. And largely because, again, there's. There's some emptiness, if I dare say there's some emptiness there where it is filled with this sense of I want to be part of something bigger than myself. And again, a lot of this, Jay and I were talking the other day, a lot of this. When it comes to antifa, a lot of this movement really began when Donald Trump was elected in 2016, when he came to power is when you really started to see antifa start to become a little bit more prominent. And then, of course, with the George Floyd situation, antifa and a lot of its adherents became really pronounced with respect to their efforts across the country. So there are a number of factors that go into this. But to your original question, I would suggest that the adherents on the street have probably listened to various propaganda online in various social platforms, but don't really have a deeper understanding of the movement itself or what the philosophy or the aims of the movement are. No true deep understanding.
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C
They don't even know they're puppets. Well, that's what they are. They're puppets. I mean, what you just described, you described to me everything that I've ever learned about gang members who don't have friends or family outside of the gang militia members up in the hills. They're mad about some damn thing and they're shooting their, you know, they've got weapons and knives and they practice doing this, that and the other. And then at night they smoke meth and drink beer and pass out and piss in their pants. They really don't have. Maybe they just needed a hug, Jay. Maybe they just needed someone to love them at a young age. That's who they seem like to me, anyway.
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B
Yeah, the ones out there, the boots on the ground are exactly the way you described them.
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C
And then all the people that show up at the protest, I think they're just dumb. Dumbs.
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B
Yeah, they're followers. Yeah, they're clearly followers, Kenny. And you described them, albeit a little hyperbole, but it was funny because there's some truth in it. And it gets back to what Kyle and I talked about yesterday and you and Kenny talked about yesterday a little bit. It's always about the money and they're well financed and the signal callers and the others are probably getting some good dough out of this, but I don't know if the Dum dums, the boots on the ground, are making much of anything other than foolishness.
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C
Jay, you have to start as an unpaid intern. Everybody knows that.
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B
I told Kyle yesterday, you gotta make your bones.
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C
Jay.
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I said, kyle, if they really want to be anti fascists and really take on fascist regimes, why don't they go to a country that actually is governed by fasc? Yeah, too easy to do it here. They can get their frozen pizza after they're done demonstrating and play Fortnite or whatever they gotta do. But getting back to that money part of it, which is really quite fascinating, you got these wealthy guys like George Soros and we talked about Neville Singham, who's connected to the Chinese Communist Party. Very wealthy individuals, Kyle, who support all these left wing progressive campaigns and issues and groups. But yet you can't really tie them to these antifa things because maybe you can explain how it works. They give the money to these non governmental organizations, NGOs and they can kind of wash their hands of it. Correct. Isn't that kind of how it works? In a very simplified form?
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F
Yeah, in a very simplified form, that's correct. A lot of the individuals and in groups who give money, they, they give money to NGOs, charitable organizations, 501c4, which are for social welfare. It's difficult to, to pin that down. And people, people would sometimes ask, well, why can't law enforcement go get the people that are providing the money?
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B
Right.
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F
For these situations? It's, it's, it's much more nuanced than that because it's not as though these individuals are saying, well, okay, there's going to be action at the courthouse in Portland, Oregon. I'm going to send X amount of dollars to antifa. That's not the way it works. What they'll do is they'll send money to these charitable causes, these social welfare organizations. A lot of dark money involved. You don't have to disclose it. You can give as much as you want. And it goes to these charitable organizations, these social welfare groups. And from that standpoint, the money has been delivered, the donor has let the money go. And the donor is kind of out of the loop at that point right now when it comes to some of these charitable organizations, that's where the breakdown happens. A lot of this money finds its way into these splinter groups. Some of them associate with antifa, some with other groups, and finally makes its way to direct action committees where money is dispersed for masks, for bricks, you name it. Anything that can be used to combat the police. So it makes it very, very difficult for law enforcement to actually trace the money back. They could probably work some of these charitable groups, work them over a little bit and do a deep dive on some of their. Do some account forensic accounting, try to find out more about how the money is spent or who's putting the money out, who's receiving it. But to actually make a case against some of the, you know, the people that you mentioned, some of the larger donors, that gets exceedingly difficult because, quite frankly, it's legal to give money to some of these 501c4 organizations.
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B
Yeah, they give the money to a charity and tell any investigator who might show up, well, I just gave it to the charity. I. What the charity did with it, I have no control over.
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C
Jay, is that what the Minnesota Freedom Fund is?
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B
Yes, well, it's. It's of that ilk, if you will. Yeah, I think Soros was well known for pouring a lot of money into the Minnesota Freedom Fund, if I'm not mistaken.
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C
Since I brought it up, we should tell everybody who doesn't know what. What it is, what it is. I seem to remember Kamala Harris promoting it during the George Floyd riot.
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B
Yeah, I think she did.
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C
Saying people should send money there to get these freedom fighters or these peaceful protesters out of jail. Correct. And how did that work, do you remember?
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B
It's simply. Yeah, I did some stories on it. I did a story on a couple of guys that got out because of the Minnesota Freedom Fund and then committed some pretty heinous crimes. So the simplest way to put it is this. A guy like Soros gives money to this freedom, Minnesota Freedom Fund, or wherever the Freedom Fund might exist in whichever state. Take your choice and the whole idea, and correct me if I'm wrong, Kyle, the notion was, and what they would publicly say is, hey, this is about equity. You know, if you're a wealthy white businessman, you can post bail, you can make your bail. If you're a lower income person of color, you can't. So the whole idea was we're going to have a big pool of money and give everybody the same opportunity to be able to meet their bail requirements to get out. And that's it? Pretty much. That's the short version of it. Am I describing it correctly, Kyle?
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F
Yeah, you are. It definitely was an equity based philosophical viewpoint where, as you said, there are wealthier, quote, unquote, wealthier people who are charged with crimes who can easily make bail. And a lot of times you have communities where people can't make bail as easily. So they end up staying. Staying behind bars until their preliminary hearings. So, yes, that was ostensibly, that was the reason behind it. And that's also the reason behind the. The movement for the abolition of. Of bail. Yeah, or abolition. If you're charged with a crime, you're released within hours after booking. And so it goes hand in hand with that philosophy of. Of evening, quote, unquote, evening the playing field.
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B
Right.
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C
And, Jay, according to A story by Fox 9 In May of last year, 2025, the Minnesota Freedom Fund would, at that time, stop paying bail for criminal suspects. Yeah, they did stop, according to this Fox 9 story.
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B
Yeah, that's quite possible. When I was doing stories on it, Kenny, my law enforcement friends would obviously tip me off to things and they would say, hey, look at this guy who just got out. Minnesota Freedom Fund bailed him out, and two weeks later, he was involved in a very bad assault, armed robbery, whatever it might be. And so to the point that we're talking about a group like the Freedom Fund is similar to what Kyle's talking about, what we're talking about here. You could be a Soros or a Neville Singham and just give this money or who you are and say to investigators, well, I gave it to the charity, assuming the charity was gonna do some good. I didn't know it was gonna be used for the riots in Portland or Minneapolis, even though if I was a betting man, I would bet they were pretty aware that it was gonna help. And not only that, Kyle, I gotta believe some of these signal callers and some of the protesters are getting a little bit of a paycheck out of it. Right. They gotta motivate them somehow. So somebody's getting paid, right?
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F
Correct. Yes. There are certain people who are being paid. And another point to the point you just made, when it comes to some of these larger donors, they need plausible deniability, of course. So they have the means, they have lawyers who can look into some of these groups and say, yes, this group X is about a social welfare, charitable right movement. So if you provide X amount of dollars, these guys are clean, so to speak. So, yes, that's, again, that's what makes it difficult. You hear people all the time, again, with. With law enforcement. Why can't you go after some of these big money people? Well, they're. They're a bit more sophisticated than your average Joe when it comes to how their money leaves their pocket. So.
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E
But.
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F
But your point is well taken. That's. That's precisely the philosophy behind it, Kenny.
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C
You threw out a name there that. I want to talk about this more. Neville Roy Singham. Excuse me. I hadn't heard of him before yesterday.
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B
Okay.
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C
And I've done some polling of some friends and co workers and neither have they. And you dig into this guy's history and he might be the original Dr. Evil. I want to. And he looks like him, too.
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E
He does.
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B
I want to take Austin Powers.
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C
Yeah.
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B
That guy.
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C
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B
He's got money.
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C
Born in 54. American businessman, social activist. The founder and former chairman of ThoughtWorks, an IT consulting company that provides custom Software, software tools and consulting services. That seems like spyware to me, but that's just me. He sold that to a private equity firm in 2017 for 785 million. Here's where it gets interesting. In 2019, he started a consulting business with partners in the public publicity department of the Chinese Communist Party.
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B
Correct.
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C
The partners are co owners with Tungren City, a media company that promotes anti poverty policies, according to the New York Times.
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B
Yep, that's the guy.
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C
He evidently sends money to these folks far left.
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B
He does, yes. Right, Kyle? I mean he's, he's, he's, he's an active player. Am I wrong about that?
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F
No, you're not wrong at all. He's a very active player. I believe he's also married to the. The head of Code Pink, if I'm not mistaken. I can't recall her name, but I. Oh, that believe he's married. You know, they live in, they live in China.
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B
That would make sense because he's saying they've sent money to CodePink.
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C
Yes, I mean, Jody Evans, Code Pink co founder.
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B
Yeah, I mean he. So that would make sense. And remember, Code Pink just recently went down to Cuba and we had one of our Minneapolis city council members, Aisha Chugtai, she was on the airplane going down with Code Pink to help the Cuban people. So just a lovely organization. But yeah, if you didn't know about this guy, Kenny, he's like a Soros. He's a player with a lot of the left left, the far left stuff.
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C
This is the first time I've ever read anything about Code Pink. Women for Peace, a pacifist, anti war organization here in the United States. A501C focuses on issues such as drone strikes, Guantanamo Bay detention camp, Palestinian statehood, the Iran nuclear deal, human rights in Saudi Arabia. Seems like they're very anti American.
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B
Very much so.
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C
Just reading that stuff.
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B
And so here you go to Kyle's point. You can give money to Code Pink, right? And that's nothing illegal to say. You can't do that. But you just say, well, I didn't know what Code Pink was up to. Am I right, Kyle? That's a good example. Kenny came up with.
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F
This can be. Some of this activism can be quite lucrative and I think that money drives a lot of it. You mentioned earlier, you asked earlier, Jay, about whether or not some of these folks are involved in. Do they really understand the ideological underpinnings of what they're doing? And in my view, most of them do not. But there are a select few who are if you will, cashing in on some of these movements where the living is. I don't know if it's lavish, but it's good. It's good living. And you get the virtual. You get the virtual. You get to be a virtual virtue signaler by the state, by this token of I'm helping to make the world better, a place for those who are oppressed, you know, in their worldview. So look at the head of Black
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B
Lives Matter, the head of National Black Lives Matter.
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C
That's exactly where I was going. Let's talk about that briefly. Let's just be clear on that.
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B
Sure. Well, it ends up she. I can't remember her name now off the top of my head. She clearly took hundreds of thousands, if not more. Maybe more than a million in the end, or 2 million in the end, but hundreds of, of thousands of dollars from Black Lives Matter and bought lavish homes for herself and for her family and cars and all of the things that go with true political activism to fight true fascism. Right? Those are the stuff. That's the stuff we need. So again, to Kyle's point, some people are making money off of this stuff. And as you get a little bit older, as I told Kyle, in your reporting career, you start to figure out where all the BS lies. And sometimes you thought to yourself, as a reporter, I'm getting the impression that if they're not out there protesting, if there's not any racism to protest, if there's not any fascism, in other words, there has to be something for them to protest, to make the money and keep the machine going.
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C
I brought up this analogy today on Garage Logic. It's an old good old boy phrase we use in the shop. If it's not broken, break it and then fix the hell out of it. And that's what they're doing. They're creating issues to protest, and it
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B
keeps the money flowing. If you notice, yesterday, the news conference and Kyle, I'm sure you've been around Minnesota long enough to know who these players are. The news conference yesterday outside the courthouse to complain about not having access even though the courtroom was full, which is a legitimate reason to keep people out. The news conference was the same old players, the same old protesters, or the head of the protesters. The same faces, the same people, the same message. It almost feels like as a reporter, as you watch this over time, Kyle, they go from one protest to the next protest to the next protest, and it kinda keeps the money flowing. They get grant money, they get donations. It goes on and on. Am I right?
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F
You are absolutely correct. I recall now this is going back quite a ways. I'm dating myself here. But the 2008 Republican National Convention in St. Paul, where a lot of the people we arrested federally were nowhere close to being from Minnesota, California, Texas. These were professional protesters, if you will, who were hired to come in and cause havoc, cause chaos and try to stir things up, at least try to get some of, you know, there were going to be some local protesters, sure. But to try to get this to be a bigger event than it was. So that was kind of, I think, for me, that was my first introduction. And there were, there were protests back in the early 90s, the early 2000s, with some of the animal rights groups that we, that we had to investigate. So I think that this has evolved over the years where it started, maybe as small organic movements, but then I think a lot of these professional protesters realized that there's gold in them, there are hills. If you have a movement that, that sounds good to some wealthy benefactor who, for whatever reason, maybe it's a guilt complex or what have you, the money will roll, the checks will come in, and the next thing you know, you can move from cause to cause, whether it be animal rights, animal liberation, to anti fascism.
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B
Take your pick.
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F
To your point, a lot of times the people are the same because it's lucrative. You can make a living doing these things.
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B
I mean, I see some of the grant money, the dollar amounts that go to some of these groups locally run by the same people. And easily, if you're running that organization, you're making six figures or more because you're bringing in millions. And all you gotta do is go pull their tax records because they're technically a non profit, right. So you go pull their 1099 and you'll see their salaries and usually they're six figures. They're doing real, real well being protesters. Right.
- [34:31]
F
And again, they have, they have plausible deniability when it comes to chaos, the violence.
- [34:36]
B
We didn't, we didn't, we didn't support. Yeah, no, we didn't support that.
- [34:40]
F
We don't condone it. Those were outliers. And so, yeah, the pattern has repeated itself for, for decades. And I, I don't see. As long as the train is alive, I don't see it changing anytime soon.
- [34:54]
C
Does law enforcement have. You probably shouldn't even answer this. I shouldn't even ask it, but I will go ahead. Law enforcement have people on the inside of these organizations or is that.
- [35:09]
F
I've been retiring for. I've been retired for Almost nine years. I will tell you that. Years ago. Years ago with some of these groups. We were able to infiltrate some of these groups. And again, we were very careful not to tread on First Amendment rights. We went through a litany of security measures, if you will, to make certain that if we were going to introduce someone that the group was a legitimate target, that they were not just exercising First Amendment rights, but this group was involved in direct action. So I can tell you that years ago that the answer to that question was yes, we did have confidential informants who sometimes introduced undercover agents into the organizations. And again, it was with trying to make federal charges. We always tried to shoot for that RICO statute, which was always kind of the gold standard when it comes to these organizations. But as far as what law enforcement is doing now, of course, I wouldn't
- [36:14]
B
have the information if I was a betting man, Kenny. If I was a betting man. They got guys on the inside.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And they're listening very carefully and closely to everything that's said outside of that room. You know what I'm saying?
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C
Including this show right now.
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F
We'll just say that when it comes to. When it comes to money, that not everybody is always down with the cause. Right. It's about their own wallet.
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B
Yeah.
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D
Right.
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C
Yeah.
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F
So what Exploited many times.
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B
What is Antifa paying you? Oh, we'll double that.
- [36:47]
C
Yeah. Well, they've got that Mercedes S series on their mind. You know, that thing isn't going to pay for itself.
- [36:53]
B
All of a sudden, fascism's way over here.
- [36:55]
C
Do we want to even get involved with the comedy team over at Unicorn Riot or should we just let them wither on the vine?
- [37:04]
B
I think, you know, I like poking at him a little bit because they're so sanctimonious. And.
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C
And they. Jay, it's. They seem so ridiculous to me. And we can leave it with me making this statement and they can come after me.
- [37:16]
B
Sure.
- [37:17]
C
They seem so ridiculous. Ridiculous to me that they seem like a false flag operation.
- [37:22]
B
Yeah.
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C
That's how ridiculous. It's almost like. Like a Three Stooges organism. You know what I mean? Because you read the about, you know, about US Unicorn Riot, and it's like, okay, well, that's some fancy writing there. You use some big words and congratulations. But what you really do is organize protesters to go meet, you know, on 31st and Hiawatha or Minnehaha.
- [37:47]
B
Well, and then they pretend they like to use this phrase. Independent journalists. No, independent propagandists. I mean, you can be a propagandist. Just admit that you are. And would they call me the King of misinformation? What was my moniker?
- [38:03]
C
Oh, I've got so many windows open. They do not. Jay, I am sorry to report that they do not like you.
- [38:10]
B
Not even close. Trust me, I had to deal with them out in the field. There were a few times I didn't know if I was going to come back with a cut up bloody lip or not or what was going to happen to me. Because they can be a little. They try to be intimidating as hell. Right. They try to scare you with their language and the things they're going to do. Whatever. They're a bunch of goofballs is what they are in the end. And again, I don't mind anybody going out there with a camera and doing what they want to do. But don't try to call yourself a journalist when you're out there simply for propaganda purposes. Just say it what it is. And to call me the King of misinformation was kind of funny. Because if you've ever watched Unicorn Riot, if you want a definition of misinformation, just watch some of Unicorn Riot stuff. That'll answer your question right there.
- [38:54]
C
Such blatant gaslighting. That is comical to me.
- [38:58]
B
Yeah, it's so.
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C
People throwing frozen ice, bottles of ice.
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E
That.
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C
That's peaceful, right? Okay. Okay, kiddo.
- [39:07]
B
Well, look at what they did at the courthouse. The reason I wanted to play that video. Kyle's probably dealt with this and his colleagues have dealt with this. I mean, they're told no. The courtroom's full. That's legitimate. That's happened many, many times in my career. Sometimes a city council meeting is too full and the fire marshal doesn't want you in there. And so normally people leave.
- [39:30]
C
Right?
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B
Look at what they did. They tried pulling the doors open. They were gonna rush inside.
- [39:35]
C
Oh, they were trying to negotiate, Jay, didn't you hear her?
- [39:38]
B
Yeah, negotiate.
- [39:39]
C
They wanted a big.
- [39:42]
B
Yeah, maybe I should learn on this podcast. Now I can say exactly what I think, but it'll probably get me in too much trouble. But I can't even tell you. Watching the protest yesterday and watching the news conference afterward, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. It should not surprise me anymore, but I could not believe what I was hearing again. For the hundredth time or more, all of it was misinformation. None of it was true. I mean, they were talking about, again, trying to take away people's First Amendment rights. That's not what these indictments were about.
- [40:13]
C
No.
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B
And when I was talking With Kyle yesterday, I thought this was pretty significant. Cuz they rounded up 15 of them and they were actually gonna make a statement that it's not okay to interfere with federal agents and actually injure federal agents in the course of protesting. I thought, which is fair to me, this is. I thought it was significant, but Kyle pointed out it is significant, but it's not unprecedented. He pointed out this has been going on in Minnesota for a while. Give us some of the history. This is not the first time we've gone after protesters or protesters too nice a word. Rioters. Antifa. What are some of the other cases where the government's gone after them here?
- [40:53]
F
Yeah. And again, the distinction needs to be made and I think you gentlemen have made it. But the federal government is never. The federal government is prohibited from interfering with First Amendment rights. And it's a very. I can tell you from my years in the FBI that was taken very seriously. And if it was infringed upon, there were consequences. Not to digress too much, but the memo out in Richmond, Virginia, the FBI field office memo about the Catholics watching the Catholic Church, that was a misstep, clearly, and the FBI dealt with it. So it's not just lip service to say that the federal government takes First Amendment activity seriously. We want to bring that's promoted within our society. What's not tolerated is the violence. And Jay, I mentioned to you yesterday, I don't know if you can recall a few years back, the Dakota Access Pipeline up in North Dakota, where clearly there was some opposition to the progress of that pipeline. Was the pipeline going to be laid and it turned into a riot? And there were. I remember there was a rioter who held a Molotov cocktail and had their arm blown off because they held it too long. And that was clearly meant to be directed at law enforcement. And there were a number of people arrested during that incident under the same guidelines of the same guise of interfering with federal law enforcement activities. That's one thing the federal government is. No matter which administration you're talking about, typically the federal government is very serious about the protection of its personnel and its agents. We asked federal agents to go out into the field, most notably during this time period, ice, we asked them to put their lives on the line. We asked them to get involved in very dangerous situations, to remove very dangerous people from the streets. And the federal government simply won't tolerate people trying to impede or interfere with these righteous law enforcement actions. Again, my point was always if you have an issue with these activities, your venue is A courtroom, that's where your venue lies to oppose some of these actions, if you will. If you are total opposition, you file a lawsuit. The place to combat these policies is not on the street, because when it comes to a battle on the street, law enforcement is going to win 100% of the time. And I think if people really understood that, perhaps we wouldn't have these types of incidents occurring. But I don't think that message has clearly been understood by those who would participate in this, those who would conduct and be complicit in violence. But at the end of the day, law enforcement will prevail on the streets. It's that. It's just that simple.
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C
You know, who else isn't clear to that? The governor of Minnesota, the mayor, the city council, Minneapolis, and on and on and on that are openly. They turn it into a fight against Donald Trump instead of what it really actually is, which is removing dangerous illegal aliens.
- [44:18]
B
Well, so much of this, Kenny, even outside of the immigration stuff, is targeted at Trump and the Trump administration. Right, Kyle?
- [44:26]
C
Well, Jay, you ask the governor about fraud and he turns it into a discussion about Donald Trump, which is ridiculous. Go ahead.
- [44:38]
F
What's interesting about the ICE enforcement actions that we've seen, you know, I obviously was in the FBI during the Obama years, and President Obama, the nickname within the federal government was the deporter in chief.
- [44:51]
C
Yes. Yeah, we never talk about that.
- [44:55]
F
President Obama deported millions of people who were in the country illegally, and no one said a word. And rightfully so. I mean, it was. That was his duty and he was executing his duties through ice. But there was. There was not so much as a bad word. It was a normal. And it still is. It's a normal activity. It's a normal function of the federal government. But no, I think a lot of this came about through the election because of the election of Donald Trump in 2016 and again in 2020, when he made the deportation of illegal aliens a part of his platform. And I do think that helped get Trump elected, reelected in 2020.
- [45:38]
B
Kenny, I went and did an old deep dive Google search to do my research on deportations. Clinton and Obama hold the record record between the two of them for the most, you know, people deported under their administration.
- [45:50]
F
Right.
- [45:50]
B
So a lot of the argument you hear is, you know, the comeback is, well, they did it differently, you know, the way Trump did it has been,
- [45:58]
C
you know, well, we're so tribal now that two presidents from opposing parties can do the same thing. Right. And, you know, they're. Both sides are going to Take heat.
- [46:07]
B
Yeah. I mean, and look at. Look at this UFC thing in front of the White House.
- [46:12]
C
The.
- [46:13]
B
I'm not a UFC guy, so I just kind of cursory looked at it and thought it was, you know, one thing. I will be bored when Trump is out of office, because I get a lot of entertainment out of just seeing what is gonna happen today. What's he gonna say today? And the UFC thing was just to do it on the White House lawn. I had no big problem with this. There's been all kinds of celebrations and things at the White House and on the White House lawn.
- [46:41]
C
Didn't you see Nitro Circuit? Did you see Travis Pastrana pulling off backflips on his motorbike? That was awesome. Dude. That was the coolest thing I've ever seen on the White House.
- [46:51]
B
The Eagle flying in. Well, listen, the Medal of Honor guys escorting the UFC fighters was. How cool was that?
- [46:58]
C
That's pretty cool. Here's what these dumb dumbs don't understand. President Trump is the greatest troll in the history of social media. You ever notice that some of the zingers he sends out is from his airplane?
- [47:12]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [47:12]
C
So he's. They're sitting up there flying from one spot to another. He's. He's. He's bored, and he dreams up some nonsense, and he goes to a buddy, hey, listen to what I'm about to say. He goes. He opens up the door, he gives this singer to the press. Are you telling me we're going to take over Canada? It's going to be the Gulf of Trump. Oh, my. And it's just all he's doing is trolling them, and they bite so hard
- [47:38]
B
on those so hard all the time. Yeah. I mean, we. Does anybody ever still called it the Gulf of America? No, nobody calls it that. But he was poking at him.
- [47:47]
C
So which one did we want, Greenland or Iceland? Doesn't matter, because next we're going to take Greenland.
- [47:54]
B
We don't even know anymore.
- [47:55]
C
We're going to take Spain over. And, you know, it wouldn't be bad. Let's make Italy the 52nd state.
- [48:02]
B
The guy is entertaining, if nothing else. I'm telling you, every day, I can't wait to see what's coming next, because you really don't know. But to the UFC thing, okay, I didn't find it this big disgrace to the White House. They've had all kinds of celebrations and parties at the White House. They had big pride celebrations at the White House. Nobody cared. All of a sudden, there's a ufc Fight out front, which was highly entertaining. I'm not a UFC guy, but I just thought the whole pageantry and buildup was pretty entertaining and kind of. And I did like the Medal of Valor guys walking out the fighters. I thought it was class. But then you find out today there was a. It sounds like they stopped another potential. A big one, maybe an assassination attempt. I don't know if the drones were. And the snipers were aimed, you know, trying to get at the President, I'm assuming. Yes. And again, I think if I could be wrong, but if Biden had done that UFC thing, would anybody have cared? Would there have been a drone attack or an attempted drone attack in snipers? Kyle?
- [49:09]
C
No. We would have been making jokes about Biden being in the front row and falling asleep. It would have been jokes. It would have been jokes.
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B
But on a serious note, I think, cuz it's Trump. Oh, yeah. What did you think, Kyle, when you heard about that this morning? What was your takeaway and your thoughts on it?
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F
Yeah, no, I was. Unfortunately, I was not surprised to learn of this because clearly, as you kind of indicated with some of the. Of President Trump's trolling, he's such a polarizing figure that unfortunately it's. It's almost become commonplace to talk. I mean, how many attempts have already been on his life? Legitimate attempts, not to mention the ones we don't hear about.
- [49:51]
B
Right.
- [49:52]
F
So I wasn't surprised at all. I. I was. And I was not surprised to hear that. That the FBI foiled it. Again, I'm guessing. I don't know the facts, obviously, but I'm guessing that. That they had an insider or somebody who decided to come clean. And, and it sounds like everything about what was going on, it sounds like.
- [50:10]
B
Kyle, sorry to interrupt you, but it sounds like a mom, a mom of one of the people involved stepped up. I think I. I was listening to the radio on the way in. I think that's what I heard. Kenny, have you heard anything?
- [50:22]
C
No, but I can hear that, Mom. Not while I walk this green earth, they won't. I can hear her right now.
- [50:27]
B
Right. The mom was.
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C
I know moms.
- [50:31]
B
Gabe's nodding his head over here. Gabe. Producer Gabe. Gabe, is that accurate? Yeah, I believe she contacted the local
- [50:37]
C
authorities of recent purchases and social media of her son.
- [50:42]
B
Of her son.
- [50:42]
C
Yeah. And the local authorities got in contact with that.
- [50:45]
B
The FBI. And then the FBI does what it does. Yeah.
- [50:49]
F
And along with that, gentlemen, a lot of these types of people who would, who would partake in this violence, in assassination plots, spots they're generally not hiding their intentions on social media. I mean, they're quite, they're quite outspoken about what their intentions are, what they would like to do, what their aspirations are. And so they put themselves on the radar, largely. And, and again, you run into the First Amendment issue as far as people can, people can say what they want as long as it's not threatening. They can, they can, they can demonstrate their disdain all they want on social media. But when it comes to taking action in furtherance of violence, you know, usually it's somebody with, if it's a conspiracy, it's usually usually somebody within that conspiracy. In this case, a mother or a sibling. Somebody will say, hey, I don't know if this is anything, but this is what I saw or this is what I heard. And that's largely all it takes for law enforcement to unravel it.
- [51:51]
C
Speaking of that, the family that protests together also is indicted together. I want to talk about that family at the Whipple Building and that reporter for Turning Point. But first, I want to take one more break here and Talk about Warner's Doc.com and Warner's Doc over in New Richmond. They have a big selection of both Premier and Bentley pontoons on sale right now. The biggest, the biggest pontoon, riding, driving, floating season of the summer is coming up over the fourth of July. Not only do folks go out on their pontoons and watch the fireworks displays, it's kind of a competition at lakes. If you've never been on a lake over the fourth, it's incredible. A lot of people spend a lot of money on fireworks and a lot of folks sit in their pontoons out in the middle of the water watching it. And then the other part of that during the day are these popular up hastily arranged pontoon parades. And you'll have 20, 30 pontoons parading around the lake. These are the good old days for pontoons. And Warner's Dock has that pontoon ready for you to go. You can stop in or you can shop online@warner stock.com now if you don't care about that, but a new fishing boat is on your mind. Warner Stock also specializes in Alumacraft boats powered by your choice. Suzuki Yamaha Mercury outboards. And remember, they love trades. 79 years in business over in New Richmond. Four generations of family committed to keeping your family happy on the water this summer. Check out the inventory. Warners doc.com okay, Jay, you understood that reference what I was talking about, right? Oh, yes, family. I'm currently trying to find the window with their name I can't remember their
- [53:38]
B
name, but I can picture them from the interviews they gave. I can't remember their names, though.
- [53:42]
C
Three family members were federally indicted for the assault on Turning Point contributor Savannah Savannah Hernandez during an anti ICE protest on April 11th. Christopher, Diana and Paige or Strusco were charged in the attack there. And if I remember right, the dad was shown on TV sometime before the protest talking about how they're very peaceful.
- [54:12]
E
Yes.
- [54:12]
C
And they just go down there and they're genteel and they try not to get in the way or say anything mean. Well, as it turns out, they put a beating on this gal.
- [54:22]
B
Yeah. No, they weren't there for. If they were there for peaceful reasons, they sure didn't show it. And it gets back to some of the stuff Kyle was talking to, you know? Yeah, you can go. You can say what you want to say. You just can't be threatening with your voice. Believe it or not. You can't yell into it. You can't run into a theater and yell fire. You can't do it. You can't threaten. You can't do. There's a lot you can't do. Even though people think you can say anything you want. Not really. And then they got physical on top of the verbal abuse, and they got charged as they should have been. If you look at the video, it's an assault, as simple as that. There's no other way to describe it. Right, Kyle? I mean, that's what we're talking about here. Right.
- [55:03]
F
I mean, one of the best things that happened to law enforcement was the introduction of body cameras.
- [55:08]
B
Right.
- [55:09]
F
It really demonstrates what. What law enforcement puts up with on a daily basis. So a lot of times the video speaks for itself.
- [55:17]
B
Yep.
- [55:18]
F
And. And thankfully, that. That law enforcement has that added protection when they go out into these situations. But, yeah, that was pretty evident. That was a clear assault.
- [55:27]
B
Getting back to. I wanted to ask this question and forgot. I'm glad I just remembered now, with the mom turning in the group, or at least turned in her son on the potential drone and sniper attacks on the UFC event at the White House, Kyle, if that mom doesn't come forward, as much work as the FBI and Homeland Security and all the other agencies put in to protecting something like that, it's really, really difficult. And is that something. There's no way you could probably answer this, yes or no. But had the mom not come forward, it sounds like they had the wherewithal to make that thing pretty bad.
- [56:08]
F
Yeah, we probably are having a different discussion. If mom doesn't come forward.
- [56:12]
E
Wow.
- [56:12]
F
Quite frankly, when you have drones, the airspace is restricted, obviously, in and around the White House and in and around D.C. when the president's in town, but nothing is 100 foolproof. Yeah. And so it's. I would, I would like to think that those drones would have been detected or those snipers would have been detected. Secret Service was all over the place when it came to that event. But if mom would not have bothered to call in, we may be having a different conversation because, again, the bad guys have to be lucky once. Law enforcement has to be lucky 100% of the time.
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A
Time.
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F
And it's hard to say without knowing the security parameters, but you don't want to leave something like that to chance. So thank goodness she came forward and, and put it to rest right away.
- [57:01]
B
How much more difficult do the drones make it now? Again, it's restricted airspace, but isn't it. I would assume it's much easier to get a drone in there than it would be an aircraft, a different type of aircraft, obviously. Seriously.
- [57:15]
F
Right. An aircraft. There's absolutely no way you would have gotten an aircraft in the airspace. Drones, again, drones are exceedingly small and very compact and they can be very hard to detect. I know that there have been problems with drones in, at airports being too close to airliners. And so when you. And if you have a skilled drone operator, again, it's, it's very difficult. When I heard about the drones, I was thinking, wow, I'm really glad that somebody blew the whistle on this, because once you start introducing drones, you really introduce a, A chaotic element into these things because again, they're, they are, they are difficult. There are no drone detectors, as it were.
- [58:06]
B
Correct.
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F
So these are difficult things to try to account for.
- [58:09]
B
It's not like they pop up on radar. Right, right. I mean, if they're flying low level, less than a thousand feet in the air.
- [58:15]
F
Yeah, low level, that's exactly right. So that introduces a level of chaos that law enforcement. I'm sure that the, The Secret Service has nightmares about it every night when there's an event like this.
- [58:27]
B
Yeah, fascinating. I can't wait to. I'm going to try to read more about that later on because I just heard about it coming in that the mom stepped forward. I want to know more about who the characters were and, and what, you know, who they're connected with and how big it could have been, because it sounds like it could have been pretty bad. So anyhow.
- [58:46]
C
And of course, if it would have happened the. On social media, the first Thing you would see is that Trump and his people plan this to make them look,
- [58:55]
B
you know, persecuted as a diversion from the war and gas prices and.
- [59:01]
C
What's his name? Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. Whoops.
- [59:05]
B
I almost said a bad thing there.
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E
Yeah.
- [59:11]
C
Well, have we covered it all?
- [59:13]
B
Oh, I think so. It was really good. It was fun. It was good. Good information. Thanks, Kyle. Really appreciate it.
- [59:18]
F
Oh, no, I appreciate the invitation. I really enjoyed it.
- [59:22]
B
Yeah, we probably kept you way longer, but it was too good to let you go. Sorry about that.
- [59:26]
F
That's okay, Jay.
- [59:27]
B
Okay, Kyle, Kyle, we're going to let you go.
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C
Thank you so much. Thank you.
- [59:31]
B
You appreciate it. It was fun.
- [59:32]
F
Okay. Thank you, gentlemen.
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B
Take care, Kyle.
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F
Jay, you too.
- [59:36]
C
Yeah, I inadvertently. I couldn't help myself. We started SEWCH today on gl. Mentioned the. Not the Promise act in Oregon, as I called it in our private emails.
- [59:51]
B
You kept calling it the Promise Act.
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C
You know why, right?
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B
Yeah.
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D
Because of.
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B
Yep.
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C
Because of the local Promise Act. Yeah.
- [59:57]
B
When we did something with remember Ryan Raish on it, the channel podcast. I didn't. I was like, at some point he's going to catch it. I'm not gonna say.
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C
Jesus, I couldn't believe it.
- [60:06]
B
I would have caught you though, before we did a show on it.
- [60:08]
C
It's actually, and it's probably not gonna pass, but it, the fact that it came. Came up. It's called the Peace act in Oregon and it's.
- [60:18]
B
It's fascinating.
- [60:19]
C
I prom. I promoted a little bit today on GL that we're having a guest on next weekend. But it, it will classify hunting as animal. Animal abuse. And they'll stop that. Fishing, same things. Sport and commercial fishing criminalize trapping. We're doing away with that, including wildlife management. So if a skunk moves into your shed, too bad. Tough. Yeah, tough. Tough. Bosom. Now farming and ranching. We're done with farming and ranching in Oregon. Scientific research, of course, that's always evil. You don't want to make a bunny suffer.
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B
We don't want to kind either.
- [60:59]
C
And the final insult, and this is where they think there's going to be the most pushback is tribal rights. So all the rights that the claps up and all the other native bands out there have that were written treaties, they're going to pull all that.
- [61:13]
B
Oh, I didn't know that part of it.
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C
Plus, just to build further. Build on the rage of our outdoors men and women here in the state. I want to talk about the fur trade in Colorado and how that's no longer allowed. Do you know what Etsy is? Etsy is an online kind of marketplace where you can buy and sell homemade goods. They have put a ban on all first sales.
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B
Oh, I did not know this.
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C
And then there's something crazy going up, going on on the top side of the world. In the northernmost part of Alaska, the Alaskan government has decided that the few people that live out there off the grid are no longer allowed to come on firewood. Plus dead trees. Dead trees to heat their homes. And I think they've actually almost resolved that too. But I looked up and I can't believe we got them. A guy that appears on my favorite podcast, Meat Eater Podcast, Ryan Callahan. Everybody knowing knows him as Cal, and he's agreed to come on with us next Wednesday. Sweet. Looking forward to that.
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B
Yeah, that's going to be excellent. Didn't we have.
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C
Sure. George, the guy that talks to animals.
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B
Talks to animals.
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C
He wrote the book. He was a guest on Meat.
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B
Meat Eaters. That's it.
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E
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. And I listened to that. You had me listen to that podcast, and it is pretty good.
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C
And even if. Even if Ryan can't make it, we're going to talk about this anyway because I have read so much about all of this, I can and rant and rave and piss and moan and cry about it for hours on end.
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B
Here's my only question. So is this like a ballot initiative for the entire state? Like, almost like a state constitutional amendment kind of thing?
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C
Yeah, the Peace Act. Yeah, I'll read it. I'll read the first paragraph. A proposed ballot measure called Initiative Petition 28. The Peace act seeks to ban all hunting, fishing, trapping, and livestock farming in Oregon. If enacted, it would remove the legal exemptions that protect these activities from the state's animal abuse statute.
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B
Nuts. Absolutely.
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C
So even if it doesn't pass, the fact that it was brought up is worth discussion.
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B
Not only that, you're probably right. Will it pass? I mean, I don't know, though, Ken.
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C
You know, you would say, especially Oregon.
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B
Especially Oregon. Bingo. You would think to yourself, no way. Right. But it is Oregon.
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C
If you know anything about Oregon, you've heard about Portland and how that city has.
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B
Yes.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And it's not just Portland. It's that whole metro area and up and down the coast. The coast is pretty liberal, so who knows? But can. In order to get that ballot on, to get that question on the ballot petitions. Yeah. They had to have a significant. Especially if they're going to amend the state constitution. It's usually pretty rigorous.
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C
So think about it 126,000 signatures.
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E
There you go.
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B
So you have at least. So throw in another 100,000 that might not have signed that thing. Who would be an agreement now you're up over. You could be at a quarter of a million people who think that's a good idea. Yeah. So it's definitely worth talking about.
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C
Absolutely. And you know, there are states.
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B
Yeah. That do this. No, no.
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C
For some reason, I think it's Michigan. I could be wrong. No. That have guaranteed and made it law forever. The right to hunt is there is an inalienable right forever in perpetuity.
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B
Got it. Well, good. They should. Because can you imagine? No lifestyle, no commercial fishing in Oregon.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Think about that for a minute. I mean, the whole thing is insan city, but it is Oregon, so.
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C
And just one last thing, just to the unicorn riot people. Okay. I'm well armed. I mean, they're all loaded and they're all within reach. They're not in the gun cape. Okay. They're right. I mean everywhere. Have you ever seen the Kevin Hart bit? How he has firearms all over the house? That's Kenny. Don't open that drawer. Don't go in that closet. Don't put your hand next to the couch.
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E
Seriously.
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B
Because there's a Glock in there.
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C
Well, they're probably bigger.
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D
Okay.
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B
44 or 40. Whatever. You're a nut job.
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C
I really, truly am a complete nut job.
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E
Good.
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B
In a good way. Nut job.
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C
That was a fun show today, J. Coles.
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B
Yeah, Kyle's great. I mean, I wanted to talk. I've never had a chance to talk about this antifa thing, so it's kind of nice. I just, you know, and the BS that goes with it. And I think what was really interesting, Kenny, was Kyle getting to the point of. There's money here. Yeah. That's why.
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C
Yep.
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B
It's not the ideology. It's never the commitment to revolution.
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C
No, no. That has nothing to do with my
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B
frozen pizza in Fortnite when I leave the protest today.
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C
All right.
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B
Good stuff, Kenny.
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C
Gabe. Thank you very much, Gabe.
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B
Thank you. Where do they find us, Kenny? Again? Where? People ask me all the time. Again.
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C
YouTube.
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B
YouTube, Facebook.
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C
Find podcast Garage.
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B
There we go.
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C
Yeah. Just make an effort. You know what?
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B
Google, give us a listen. We need the job.
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C
Thank you.
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B
Bye.