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Episode Title: CRABBY: New Questions of Possible Fraud in MN
Date: March 4, 2026
Host(s): Kenny, Jay, with guests Ryan Raiche (investigative reporter, KSTP/Channel 5) and Scott (retired DHS fraud investigator)
Network: Gamut Podcast Network

Episode Overview

This episode dives into explosive new questions about oversight, transparency, and possible fraud in Minnesota’s Promise Grant program, which set aside $100 million in tax dollars for small businesses impacted by hardship, discrimination, or unrest. The show features a deep-dive interview with KSTP's Ryan Raiche, who’s reported on questionable grant recipients and weak checks against fraud, and a rare on-air appearance by Scott, a retired Department of Human Services fraud investigator. The episode explores why oversight repeatedly fails, how loopholes are exploited, and whether state leaders are avoiding real accountability.

Key Segments & Themes

1. Small Town Banter and Shifting to Serious Issues (01:33-03:18)

• The show starts with classic “Garage Logic” chatter about rural life, the freedom of living away from city scrutiny, and some comic exchanges about wildlife encounters.
• Shifts mood suddenly to “a busy, busy morning in the world of fraud” as Kenny introduces today’s serious topic of new fraud questions both at the Minnesota capitol and in Washington D.C.

2. Ryan Raiche’s Investigation into the Promise Grant Program

(05:01-24:40)

Background:

• Ryan Raiche’s Channel 5 story started with simple curiosity about the Minnesota Promise Grants, only to uncover a host of red flags, weak vetting, and substantial lack of transparency regarding who gets state money and for what purpose.

Main Discussion Points

• No Accusations, Just Questions:
  “We want to be clear here. Nobody has been accused of fraud, but the lack of information released makes it very difficult to vet some of the winners.” – Ryan Raiche, (06:43).
• Unusual Awardees:
  • Many awardees are just individual names, not business names, making public accountability difficult.
  • Over 300 were “sole proprietors,” mostly in transportation, where tracking business activity or legitimacy is opaque.
• One Standout Case:
  • BM Vital Home Care received nearly the maximum grant but had its license revoked two years ago (“no working phone number”).
  • Another recipient billed Medicaid for millions shortly before a related program was shut down for fraud.
• Oversight Gap:
  • Senator Champion, who drafted the law, insists the act has “no possibility of fraud” but cannot say how this is assured, especially with sole proprietors.
    “We make sure that there’s no fraud and there’s no possibility of fraud in the Promise Act.” – Senator Champion (09:45).
• DEED’s Role and Pass-Through Accountability:
  • DEED previously did not check fraud records with other agencies, only started under a “new executive order” in response to media questions (11:03).
  • Major nonprofit (NDC) in charge of vetting applications declined interviews; a PR firm only offered “we understand our responsibilities” (11:42).
• Program Scope and Loopholes:
  • Criteria for qualification are broad—structural discrimination, population loss, “aging population”—making most rural or urban businesses eligible.
  • “It’s very easy to check one of those boxes...” – Ryan Raiche, (16:58)
  • Even outstate businesses (e.g., Fergus Falls organic farm, Pelican Rapids pizza joint) received grants intended for unrest-impacted areas.

Notable Quotes

• “The ones where there’s individual names, that’s where it gets a lot harder to vet...that’s why I think the sole proprietorship part of this...raises a lot of questions. The transparency piece is what is making it difficult...” – Ryan Raiche (13:00–14:10)
• “They don’t have to report back on how they use the money. And that’s what some lawmakers are fired up about.” – Ryan Raiche (18:45)
• “I think this is going to have legs. And I think the main takeaway [is] some lawmakers want to make some changes here because there is time to tweak this before they hand out another $70 million.” – Ryan Raiche, (25:43)
• “One sound bite from the state rep…fill out the paperwork and it’s free money. That’s all you got to do.” – Jay (25:20)

Legislative & Political Fallout

• Lawmakers now admit the original 2022 bill was likely under-vetted, with grant programs modeled after loose COVID relief.
• No reporting or documentation is required from recipients.
• $70 million in grants remain to be distributed; efforts to establish new “guardrails” are emerging in the wake of these revelations.
• “Some lawmakers want to make some changes here because there is time to tweak this before they hand out another $70 million.” – Ryan Raiche, (25:43)

3. Inside DHS: The Anatomy of State Welfare Fraud & Failed Oversight

Guest: Scott, Retired DHS Fraud Investigator
(26:12–55:48)

Investigative Experience (2014–2019)

• Scott helped build DHS’s original in-house fraud unit.
• Focus was on Minnesota’s Child Care Assistance Program (CCAP), not Medicaid.
• Investigations started from tips, “top 100 list” by payout total.

How Fraud Unfolded

• Red flags: Daycare centers with little visible activity, covered windows, many billing records didn’t match actual children observed on hidden cameras.
• “One of the top centers that we investigated received about $3.75 million just in one year.” – Scott (30:11)
• Widespread pattern: Bill for 100 children, only 20–25 show up; employees billing CCAP to care for their own children.

Roadblocks & Systemic Failures

• Shift from prosecution to “administrative” handling—cases rebranded as “overpayments” to avoid criminal charges.
• “We weren’t supposed to refer to it as fraud...so we had to refer to them as overpayments.” – Scott (36:14)
• Investigations increasingly discouraged, especially as they disproportionately involved Somali-owned daycares.
• Activist pressure led to difficult climate for investigation; leadership became distant, less supportive.

Political Interference and Lack of Consequences

• Political pressure likely came down from the Governor’s office in response to bad optics for refugee resettlement headlines.
• “They made it more difficult for us to do our jobs.” – Scott (41:28)
• Recommendations by investigators to prevent fraud (better reporting, oversight, checks) were ignored. Ironically, nearly all now feature in the state’s new “fraud prevention roadmap.”
• County attorneys handled prosecution—uneven, inconsistent, sometimes unfamiliar with welfare fraud, rarely led by the Attorney General.

The Endgame: Did Anyone Pay?

• Only a very small number of prosecutions succeeded, and even then, sentences were light or result inconsistent.
• No evidence DHS has fired anyone responsible for ignoring warnings or failing to act on red flags.

Notable Quotes

• “We were finding widespread fraud being committed...There were so many loopholes. It was easy to commit the fraud once they figured out how to do it.” – Scott, (41:20)
• “[The state] started basically looking at how we investigated the cases...to see if we were racist or biased...At that point it became a little more difficult for us to conduct our investigations.” – Scott (39:00)
• “You find widespread fraud...and at some point they kind of put the brakes on it.” – Jay (41:20)
• “Do you think this is going to go anywhere?...I highly doubt it.” – Scott (54:59)

4. Glum Humor, New “Big Beautiful Fraud Report,” and Demand for Accountability

(56:45–61:58)

• Hosts mock the state’s new fraud roadmap:
  “I think we should change the title...I’d like to add ‘10 years too late.’ Seriously.” – Kenny (57:03)
• Both whistleblowers (Scott and another, “Agent X”) gave same warnings; only now is the state considering changes.
• Estimated $9 billion in fraud losses (“could have been avoided”) while the state vigorously chases residents for tiny tax underpayments.

Audience Takeaways

• “When you have as broad a net...it’s pretty easy [to commit fraud].” – Jay (25:12)
• They urge more investigation into not just fraudsters, but those who allowed it.
• “At some point...I want somebody to be in jail because of this. More than just the people that got the money.” – Kenny (59:20)
• Despite reporters’ requests, officials—including the Walz administration and DHS—have not disclosed how many, if any, were fired over oversight failures.

Most Memorable Quotes

• "The fact that he was going to call 911 on you, he was not happy." – Kenny, on Ryan’s attempt to call a grant recipient (21:17)
• "Fill out the paperwork and it’s free money." – Quoting Rep. Nolan West, as highlighted by Jay (25:17)
• "[The government] made it more difficult for us to do our jobs...when it started to look politically bad." – Scott (41:28, 44:07)
• "Do you think this is going to go anywhere?...I highly doubt it." – Scott (54:59)

Key Timestamps

• 05:01 – Ryan begins discussing his investigation of the Promise Grant program
• 09:45–10:37 – Senator Champion defends the act and claims “no possibility of fraud”
• 13:00–14:10 – The challenge of vetting sole proprietors
• 18:10–19:55 – Lawmakers have doubts about original oversight, $70 million more to be awarded
• 26:12 – Introduction of Scott, retired DHS fraud investigator
• 30:11 – $3.75 million in one year to a single center, and method of fraud discovery
• 36:14 – DHS officially discouraged use of term "fraud"; preferred “overpayments”
• 41:20 – Peak fraud/oversight failures, and shift to reluctance in investigation
• 54:59 – Scott’s bleak outlook: systemic inaction means no one will be held accountable
• 57:03 – Hosts mock the “big beautiful fraud report” as “10 years too late”
• 59:20 – Demand for real accountability (“somebody to go to jail”)
• 63:10 – Jay: attempts to get whistleblower affidavits submitted to Congress

Conclusions & Takeaways

• Weak Oversight = Big Loopholes: Lax vetting, lack of reporting requirements, and politically motivated avoidance of hard questions allowed for rampant fraud, with little hope of systemic reform.
• Investigators Silenced, Whistleblowers Ignored: Reforms and warnings offered a decade ago are only now being considered, generally after widespread investigative journalism and legislative embarrassment.
• $100 Million at Further Risk: With $70 million in state grants still to be distributed, legislative urgency is finally emerging yet critical oversight and transparency holes remain.
• No Real Consequences for Leadership: Despite billions lost, there is no evidence state leaders or staff—those who ignored or discouraged fraud detection—have faced termination or legal consequences.
• Citizen Frustration: The hosts and guests express deep frustration that ordinary taxpayers are held to strict standards while the system fails to oversee much larger sums.

For listeners, this episode sheds light on the systemic failures that enable public money to flow out the door with minimal controls and almost no accountability—for either fraudsters, or those who enable the fraud.