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Kenny Olson
Let's go, Gabe.
Joe Sushi
Joe.
Chris Reavers
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Joe Sushi
Hail the Flashlight King.
Chris Reavers
And now from the mayor's office above the boathouse on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's Garage Logic with Chris Reavers manning technology corpor, Kenny Olson from the Crabby coffee Shop, John Height in the newsroom, and of course the rookie here is your Flashlight King fireworks commissioner and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Joe Sushi. Have we reached the point in the fraud story where Wall should at least be offered placement in the witness protection program? Should he at least be in hiding? It's truly incredulous what's taking place here from the American experiment are just some of the programs feeding our future. Partners in Nutrition, Partners in Nutrition, childcare assistance, 13 separate Medicaid frauds, Autism clinics, Housing Stabilization Services, unemployment Insurance, Addiction application, Supplemental Nutritional Deal, SNAP and others. We're at a billion and a half with Joe Thompson estimating that as much as half of the $18 billion billed through state programs is going to end up being tied to fraud. And I seriously, I'm genuine when I say I don't want to pay my taxes. I work my ass off and I'm writing these people checks and it's been handled incompetently. I've been treated poorly along with every other Minnesotan. We have suffered the indignation of having the worst possible human being serve as governor of this state. And we all have been fleeced and robbed. If there's a distinction between fleeced and robbed, and I know it's naive, I know it's unreasonable, we have to pay our taxes because why? We're law abiding citizens. We're the ones who keep this thing going. But we need a complete cleaning of house at the state capitol. It's, it's horrible. We even now have a new term. We have tourism fraud. We've got people looking at Minnesota who think these people are so stupid and they're governed so poorly. Let's run out there and list ourselves as a company and start picking up money. It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. I'm more convinced.
Joe Sushi
Well.
Chris Reavers
Really, why isn't this guy in hiding or in a witness protection program?
Rookie
He sure does get a pass.
Chris Reavers
And this, this disingenuous BS that he was, they made sure to print on the front page of the walls newspaper today is absolutely an embarrassment. You've got Joe. Joe Thompson and federal prosecutors announcing these new charges. Every day we look under a rock and find another $50 million fraud scheme. Joe Thompson said the magnitude of the fraud of Minnesota cannot be overestimated. It's staggering amounts of money that have been lost. It's industrial strength fraud. Thompson couldn't cite specifics on how much of the 18 billion is fraudulent, saying the answer is far too much. Thompson announced charges against six people yesterday he said have defrauded two programs. Housing Stabilization services which assist people with finding and maintaining housing and an early autism intervention program. In total, they reportedly stole More than 11.6 million in Medicaid fronts. The other thing that should alert Minnesotans, especially you prematurely gray haired 42 year old euphorians, these people don't give a bleep about the people that truly need help. They don't give a bleep. They were more concerned on equity redistributing income than they were about helping people. Walls, you should be in hiding.
John Knight
Now.
Chris Reavers
Walls says, where did I read his quote? This is absolutely just when we think we can't say enough or just when we think we haven't seen enough, we see Joe Thompson's previous remarks coming true. Because if you'll note and think back on his quotations following news conferences, he, he has always said we're just at the tip of the iceberg here. We have no idea how much this will ultimately be. And it turns out probably every single program in the state of Minnesota is riddled with fraud. Every single one. The whole thing is rotten.
Rookie
How can you not think that?
Chris Reavers
And the other problem again, and this is what we keep telling Republican hopefuls, yes, the fraud is horrendous. But one of the things that will help prevent this in the future is there are just too damn many programs and none of them are helping people who need help. And it's not plausible that suddenly every other kid born on the planet has autism. There's been no checks and balances. There's been no vetting. We all know the reasons for the fraud. Walz has allowed it to happen. Then he comes out with this drivel that this fraud newspaper was anxious to put on the front page. What utter BS this is. We have been victimized. Minnesotans have been treated more poorly than the citizens of any other state in this once grand union. And I sure as hell wish there was a way we didn't have to pay our taxes until these idiots clean up the mess they've made.
Rookie
God, the number. They can't even get their arms around it.
Kenny Olson
But unfortunately if we did that, the vulnerable would be even more vulnerable.
Chris Reavers
What you need to help the vulnerable is competency. Yeah, an actual concern, not this BS honesty. There's been no honesty in this administration.
Kenny Olson
Nothing but hypocrisy.
Chris Reavers
There's been no caring. There's been no concern for people.
Kenny Olson
There's been duplicity.
Joe Sushi
The news piece I saw this morning, Joe Thompson was speaking and they were talking about this extensive nature of this particular new unearthed fraud. And do you know where the FBI was carrying boxes out of where it was a single. Like one of those strip mall office things.
Chris Reavers
Yeah, those are big next to a Coburn's right.
Joe Sushi
This office was the size of this studio.
Chris Reavers
Nobody in this state took care of the people of this state. I hope to God you people wake up. We have been robbed and we have to continue to send in our paychecks because we follow the law. We follow the law and we're treated poorly. And I don't know what it's going to take to get to the bottom of it because we are not at the bottom of it. This is not the bottom of it. There is a mastermind. There is a professional ring. This is organized. Minnesota was carefully chosen. They had the right dunce in the governor's office. They had maybe a right player in Congress. Something, something is yet to be revealed that should knock us all on our feet if this doesn't.
Joe Sushi
What do you suspect?
Chris Reavers
I suspect fraud that reaches the highest levels of government.
Kenny Olson
More and more people are calling for his resignation. People from his.
Chris Reavers
But then you're stuck with that.
Kenny Olson
Careful, just for a few months with.
Chris Reavers
That woman who has a picture of a knife on her shirt that complete. She's part of this. Anybody in this administration. In fact, I'll say it. Everybody in this administration except the whistleblowers are guilty. How could they not be? Is Flanagan so obtuse and so out of touch that she didn't know anything about it?
Rookie
How come she's getting a pass, too.
Chris Reavers
By the way, What a. This is. We are the. Do you know that on certain websites now, national websites, Minnesota has its own category with about four or five stories of the day's latest roundup of fraud in Minnesota.
Joe Sushi
Congrats to us.
Chris Reavers
We're big time. We're big time. You know.
Kenny Olson
What is the beef between walls and Flanagan all about anyway?
Rookie
She redid the governor's.
Chris Reavers
She was right. Starting to measure the office for Kurds.
Kenny Olson
Are you sure?
Rookie
Nancy Reagan now.
Kenny Olson
Are you sure that's what it's about?
Joe Sushi
What are you expecting?
Kenny Olson
Is that what they want you to believe?
Chris Reavers
Who's the guy that said, I'm in charge now?
Rookie
Alexander.
Chris Reavers
Hay Alexander. She pulled kind of a hag secretarial state. The more he was gone, the more she said, I'm in charge. He resented it.
Kenny Olson
How do you like that conspiracy? I'm pretty proud of myself for that one.
Rookie
Just kind of throwing that out there.
Kenny Olson
You didn't say anything at all. I did that for your benefit.
Rookie
No.
Chris Reavers
Yeah.
Joe Sushi
I accidentally said Coburn's. I meant a Carboni's pizza. That's what I meant to say.
Chris Reavers
What's Coburn's?
Joe Sushi
It's a grocery store, but I meant to say Carbonis, but it was so funny because there was seven FBI agents hauling boxes and boxes of documents out of this basically small apartment.
Chris Reavers
Go to this fake bus company in Roseville.
Joe Sushi
Same thing.
Chris Reavers
By the way, did you pass that?
Rookie
I have a. I have.
Chris Reavers
You have an update?
Rookie
I do have an update. It was just sent to me today. This is a picture of the said building on 62. Right before.
Kenny Olson
You gotta tell us what you're talking about.
Chris Reavers
Showing a picture. What's it called? Mendota.
Rookie
Mendota Child Care. Mendota Child Daycare Center. And Golden Adult Daycare.
Chris Reavers
The address, it looks like that might be a legitimate one.
Rookie
Well, it's 1044. And what is the address there? 1044.
Chris Reavers
That'd be Highway 62, or whatever the service road is. It's Dakota Drive. Okay, but the point is. What?
Rookie
The point is. This says photo of the daycare center, office 62. It's on Dakota Drive. Technically, can't find a website for either of these businesses.
Chris Reavers
Oh, for Pete's sake.
Rookie
So it. It's.
Chris Reavers
Did that person get out and look in the window? That's what I asked you to do.
Rookie
When I drove by it yesterday, there was not one light on. I didn't have time to get out of my car, but there was not one light on.
Joe Sushi
They're here at night.
Rookie
Yeah.
Chris Reavers
Right.
Rookie
Yeah, they're gone.
Chris Reavers
That was one of the greatest things told to Jake Coles. He's at a child daycare center, and some lady pulls up at an Escalade and Cole says, well, there's nobody here. They hear at night, right?
Joe Sushi
That's when they get the day.
Chris Reavers
Thank you. Yeah, that's great.
Rookie
It closed in October, Possibly.
Chris Reavers
What?
Rookie
This thing closed in October? Possibly. We're verifying that.
Chris Reavers
Well, again, for all the people who think this is a virtuous government, they haven't helped anybody.
Rookie
My mole is saying they've deprived people of help.
John Knight
Hmm.
Rookie
My mole is saying the lot is full today, so I can't figure it out.
Chris Reavers
Probably FBI.
Rookie
Maybe they're having a meeting.
Joe Sushi
Christmas party.
Chris Reavers
Okay. It's the potluck.
Rookie
Yes, the daycare, adult daycare potluck.
Chris Reavers
And we're not near. We're not even done. We are not done. $18 billion is. Ironically, that's just the size of the deficit. The surplus that walls blew. $18 billion has been billed through state programs tied to fraud. And the news we got yesterday is Thompson and other prosecutors anticipate that 9 billion of that is fraud.
Rookie
Jeez.
Chris Reavers
Added to the billion already for the food fraud, there's 10 billion. How can these legislators look their constituents in the face? Not a one of them has been responsible. How can these agency heads. Well, they never. We don't know who they are. They don't show their faces in public. Walls. How long will you continue to put up with walls? Phony act.
Rookie
And what's their pot of gold on the end of the side of the rainbow? What are they? What's their reward for his? For being loyalty to him. For whoever's masking this.
Joe Sushi
I can help you.
Chris Reavers
What?
Joe Sushi
Look at the net worth of all these people.
Chris Reavers
Well, he's talking state level. So am I. I think the federal prosecutors should give a close examination to how Ilhan Omar.
Joe Sushi
Thank you.
Chris Reavers
Went from 240 grand net worth to 33 million net worth.
Kenny Olson
Wasn't that her husband's? Her new husband.
Chris Reavers
The vineyard. Oh, I'm sure that's the wine business. That good? That quick?
Joe Sushi
Oh, I'm sure it is.
Kenny Olson
Wasn't he a consultant or something for political people?
Chris Reavers
Yeah. Boy, I don't know where to.
Joe Sushi
Where do we turn?
Chris Reavers
Where do we address the anger?
Kenny Olson
You know what Walls reminds me of? And this might be uncharitable he reminds me of the guy that's helping do a search for a missing person. All the while, the body is in his trunk. That might be a little harsh.
Chris Reavers
It is. No, it's. It's not.
Joe Sushi
Is it analogous? I don't know if that's the body being the state of Minnesota.
Kenny Olson
Yeah.
Joe Sushi
Yeah. Where'd our state go? But Kenny's right.
Kenny Olson
I mean, he's such a gaslighter.
Joe Sushi
Kenny. And when you said that earlier, you know what struck me is watch the campaign trail for this utter clown for the rest of the year saying, yeah, my administration is going to get tougher on crime.
Chris Reavers
I don't think so.
Kenny Olson
I don't take credit for the arrests. And he has nothing to do with it.
Chris Reavers
I don't think. I don't think he'll make it. I think I have enough faith left in humanity that he's going to hit a brick wall here real soon.
Kenny Olson
His czar appointment should have happened. When were you talking about this, Joe?
Chris Reavers
2018, at least.
Kenny Olson
Yeah, that's when that should have happened. Before any of this Covid stuff came out.
Chris Reavers
I don't think he can make it through to be on the ticket.
Joe Sushi
Care to make it interesting?
Chris Reavers
No. I know we're not in here for betting. I'm trying to lay out for you the idea that this is now so significant. Industrial strength fraud with the attention of the whole country. Now looking at it, I don't think he can make it. He has got to be recognized, hidden away in a witness protection program in exchange for his testimony. He's got to. This is ridiculous. He is a complete. And now look at the way he's kept himself. So he travels light. There's no home, there's no belongings. There's no nothing. He's ready to just. He doesn't.
Rookie
He's gonna be an empty nester. Well, the sun is still.
Chris Reavers
You guys.
Kenny Olson
He doesn't own a home.
Chris Reavers
No way. I just said that.
Kenny Olson
He doesn't have a. He's got no place to go.
Chris Reavers
Well, we just had to dump God knows how many millions into that Irvin mansion on Summit Avenue where poor Rudy Perpich sat there and froze with leaking water.
Kenny Olson
They've got, like, a pioneer.
Chris Reavers
Yeah.
Rookie
Very politically correct energy. Sipping lights.
Chris Reavers
Do they?
Rookie
Yeah, it's those.
Chris Reavers
I got your sipping lights right here.
Rookie
Charlie Brown lights. Let's go.
Joe Sushi
Is the fence still up?
Chris Reavers
Mm.
Joe Sushi
It is.
Chris Reavers
Okay.
Joe Sushi
It's been a minute since I've been that way.
Chris Reavers
I saw two stories that I can't get out of my mind. Both in the Daily Mail because the Daily Mail is a fun daily bulletin board of complete absurdity.
Rookie
We don't miss much, do they?
Chris Reavers
And they story some guy in the UK, Burt brought his Christmas lights in 1956 and they still work. The other one was Spanish family wheels, dead grandmother onto plane, told the staff, don't worry about it, she's just asleep.
Kenny Olson
He's sleeping.
Rookie
That doesn't work.
Joe Sushi
Would she like a beverage? Nah, she's fine.
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Chris Reavers
We have a city grocery store. We know that the socialists among us here have this fantasy wish for a city grocery store. Part of that is just their contempt for corporate life in America.
Joe Sushi
Take down capitalism.
Chris Reavers
Why should Kowalski's have a store? Or Lund's or Byerly's?
Joe Sushi
That's just one story.
Chris Reavers
Are they all one now?
Joe Sushi
Lund's and Barley's.
Rookie
Lunds and Barleys are combined. Kowalski's is distinct from.
Chris Reavers
Well, my point is there are many, many grocery stores.
Rookie
A lot.
Chris Reavers
But these Communists hold these corporate success stories in contempt. So they think the answer is a municipal grocery store. Kansas City tried it. Oh, that way and they closed it. Now, finally, after only losing $29 million.
Pat Donahue
Oh my God.
Joe Sushi
Wow.
Chris Reavers
Carol Becker was noting this in the.
Kenny Olson
It'll work here, though, Joe. That's we're not Kansas City. It' Give us a shot.
Chris Reavers
Yeah, yeah.
Kenny Olson
They haven't done our method.
Chris Reavers
Robin Wansley still wants one. Here she's proposing that for Minneapolis, a municipal store. And see, she wants to undercut the private marketplace by subsidizing the cost of groceries by the city. Owning or participating in a grocery store, it's just flat out a bad idea. It doesn't make sense because all you're doing is asking taxpayers to pay for the food. They have their own food bills. Robin, you have nothing to do with it. At her direction, city staff prepared a study on the possibility of the city grocery store. There are a number of models discussed in the study. I wonder what that cost us. Including the city owning and operating the store outright or the city subsidizing a private or non profit to operate the grocery store? No, that would only result in fraud. Those are my words. Wait a minute. Why subsidize a private store? They're not asking you for subsidiary now. Subsidizing. I think I just made up a W word. Subsidization, Subsidation. I mean, Lawrence isn't asking for any subsidy. There are multiple ways a subsidy could be done. From direct cash payments to government ownership of the building to paying for building improvements. Oh, go bleep yourself, Wansley, you fraud. Tulsa, Oklahoma did it. They got the Oasis Fresh Market, A non profit private partnership with public subsidies. Madison, Wisconsin of course has one. They subsidized the rent of a grocery store and they own the building. Atlanta has one city subsidized grocery stores. The glaring omission from the study is Kansas City. Kansas City owns the Sun Fresh grocery building near 31st street and Prospect.
Rookie
Boy, does that sound like I can.
Kenny Olson
Smell it from here.
Rookie
Yes.
Chris Reavers
The city has partnered with two different operators over the last eight years. One for profit and one non profit. The store received $28,997 $97,400 through bonds, loans and subsidies. What the hell, let's call it 29 million sun fresh. 29 million they got from the taxpayers in Kansas City.
Pat Donahue
Wow.
Chris Reavers
Store closed in August. The sign on the door said we ought to meet.
Rookie
We ought to meet.
Chris Reavers
We closed. We ought to meet. Unfortunately, due to unforeseen circumstances. Well, I can see them beyond our control. We no longer at this time are able to serve the residents of this important community. A sign on the front door of Sunfresh said local NPR affiliate KCUR reported. It has always been our dream and passion to provide quality products and services in a safe family environment. At this time, unfortunately, we are unable to do that. You were never able to do it. The idea is preposterous. It doesn't need to be done.
Kenny Olson
We have grocery stores with this grocery store in kc. The comparisons to Minneapolis are really, really stark. They have the same anti police attitude there due to the lack of funds. There were maintenance issues with this building. It had a funny stink. Everything was broken. They had security issues. Remember everything that Reverend Timothy has Said about Merwin's Liquors on Broadway in Lindale, what a problem it is with drug dealers and whatnot. The same thing was happening at this grocery store. They were being robbed blind. There were drug deals in the parking lot, drinking in the parking lot.
Chris Reavers
All you gotta do is ask yourself one question. What would motivate the people who supposedly ran a city grocery store? What's their motivating factor? There isn't any.
Rookie
They don't care if they make money.
Chris Reavers
What do they care?
Rookie
Right. They don't care if they make money. They'll just go to the city and say, we lost.
Chris Reavers
There's no motivating factor to do a great job. Luns. Cub closed in the midway area of St. Paul near Hamlin and University Avenue. Do you know why they closed? Because of the crime. Crime?
Kenny Olson
Yeah.
Joe Sushi
Same thing for it wasn't at the Walmart and that's now.
Chris Reavers
Why do they think a city run grocery store would not experience crime?
Rookie
You're not going to steal from your city. They've been.
Chris Reavers
No, no, no, no, Matt. We're not only stealing from our city. We might be up to about 18 billion stolen from the state.
Rookie
Okay, forget region.
Chris Reavers
So you don't need a city grocery store. The city grocery store. If you put a city owned grocery store where Cub was in the Midway, it'll end up ravaged just the way Cub was.
Joe Sushi
Will you do me your cartoon bubble of walking through The Sun? Fresh St. Paul City owned grocery store on Hamlin and University. Let's walk through the aisles. Joe, what are you seeing?
Chris Reavers
I can't imagine how dystopian it would feel it would be. Short of products. They would have no motivation to make sure the shelves are full.
Joe Sushi
Lot of packages half open.
Chris Reavers
Yes. There's nothing in it for them because they don't understand capitalism. They're just wards of the state at that point. Wards of the city. What do they care? Maybe they'll get around to shoveling the snow away from the front door. Maybe they'll get around to opening. Oh, the weather's gonna turn. I'll probably close early. What the hell's in it for them?
Joe Sushi
I'm see bugs in the produce area.
Chris Reavers
I'm seeing bad fruit.
Rookie
Handmaid's Tale.
Chris Reavers
I'm seeing bad fruit I don't like. See, I check the grapes on the rare occasion I'm at the store. Well, actually, I was taught how to do this. Well, I see all. Nothing but mushy grapes in the city. Own grocery store. Got it. You know, I want firm grapes, seedless and I don't want mold all over the raspberries. I don't want big wormholes in the apples.
Kenny Olson
No, this is happening all over. The new mayor in New York is.
Chris Reavers
Oh, he's a big city owned grocery store.
Kenny Olson
He wants one in each of the five boroughs.
Chris Reavers
Well, he's never worked a day in his life. He's a full fledged Marxist and he's gonna try to reinvent the city. In Kansas City, there were numerous problems. The nonprofit organization and in this state, nonprofit means fraud. Could not manage its supply lines. The shelves were empty due to the lack of funds. What funds? You got $29 million from the city due to the lack of funds. There were maintenance issues. The building had a rancid smell because what's in it for them to clean? They don't care about what propriety sense of pride would they have you go to Lunds? These people are hopping to it. Yep. Funds were so low that it could not afford to fix its broken front window. What else did you say? This is fascinating to me. Much of the budget was consumed by security costs. Did Cub when it was in Midway. They might have said, could we have the presence of a policeman here once in a while. But I don't think they went to the taxpayers and demanded to be compensated for their security costs.
Rookie
They did not.
Chris Reavers
Kansas City has the same anti police orientation towards public safety in the area. Had a big number of drug dealers and drug users who stole from the store. Reducing already thin margins. The supermarket had to close its profitable liquor department due to drinking outside the building. Two managers quit in the last year citing hazardous work conditions. The store was managed by the assistant manager when it closed. She said having somebody that wants to put up with the fight of the violence every day, of the guns, of the knives, of the drugs, just of the everyday thieves. It's so hard for people to feel safe who want to work here and want to come here. What did you expect when police responded after she was threatened with a box cutter? She said responding officers were there for another crime that happened to be a man with a machete in the parking lot. It is not clear how Robin Wansley are the benefits. That's right. It's not clear how Robin Wansley thinks. Minneapolis will overcome these problems. Because Robin Wansley is not a bright woman. She has never accomplished anything except her activists.
Joe Sushi
They were doubted the assistant manager.
Chris Reavers
A single store will have the same barriers for managing supply lines. If Wansley wants cost to be below the private marketplace, it will require tax dollars to subsidize food Costs we're put upon enough as taxpayers and that may require trade offs with building maintenance. And depending on where the store is located, it could have the same security issues that the Kansas City store did. In the end, it could cost Minneapolis residents millions if Kansas City is any indicator. It's a horrible, ridiculous, stupid, unnecessary idea. But we have elected the wrong people. And why? For too many years we just sailed along and we weren't paying attention.
Kenny Olson
You mentioned Madison, so I started looking Madison up and Madison's situation is even more hilarious. I thought I was going to see good things because you said something about just subsidize the city's helping with the rent. Right. Well, when you delve into it, the place they want to put it up. Put up this little grocery store is right next to a pick and save and that's a major grocery line, I guess, in Wisconsin and within a mile of where they want this city owned grocery store. There are four or five other grocery stores and they're all doing well. And the city of Madison wants to put one up there and try to undercut all these other grocery stores. It's hilarious what's happening in Madison, Robin.
Chris Reavers
The city can't keep a street light lit.
Kenny Olson
Yeah.
Chris Reavers
You cannot possibly run a grocery store.
Kenny Olson
Yeah.
Chris Reavers
It's a crying shame what's happened to this state. It really is. I hope she's somehow defeated. Does Fry have enough chutzpah to can he veto that if it ever comes to that?
Kenny Olson
And this all came about by a couple of grocery stores closing on the north side. Right. Due to crime. Correct. Was it up on Dowling or Lowry? It was up in that area. Lowry, west of Lindale.
Chris Reavers
If I remember right, Twin Cities are not short of grocery stores.
Joe Sushi
Well, once you get out of the. Yeah.
Chris Reavers
I guarantee you if the city got into the car business, they'd sell Hyundais.
Kenny Olson
Well, if I remember right, it is a problem for the folks up in that north side neighborhood. But it wouldn't be. If I remember right. I'm going from faulty memory here. If the crime was under control.
Chris Reavers
Well, it wouldn't be if we kept excusing crime under the auspices of the soft bigotry of low expectations.
Kenny Olson
Right. And I keep going back to what Tim Christopher has said about Merwins down on Broadway.
Chris Reavers
And did that ultimately close?
Joe Sushi
Yes. Didn't it?
Kenny Olson
I don't know if it's open or closed. It's still on the map.
Joe Sushi
Do we add that to the list of places you would shop anything with in Save? You know, the Pick n Save?
Chris Reavers
No. What I hear there is food getting picked over and that would. That would a lot of fingerprints. Yeah, that would bother me.
Kenny Olson
I think. Pick and Save is a chain run by Roundy's which is a subsidiary of Kroger.
Joe Sushi
Oh, okay. Then it's on the upside.
Kenny Olson
So they're legit.
Joe Sushi
Okay.
Kenny Olson
Yeah.
Chris Reavers
Do we.
Kenny Olson
The point was that there's all sorts of grocery stores within a mile and they're going to open up this city owned grocery store. Oh, Madison.
Chris Reavers
Do we have Piggly Wiggly?
Pat Donahue
Do we have Piggly?
Joe Sushi
I don't know.
John Knight
I think they're out of business, aren't they?
Pat Donahue
Maybe not.
Chris Reavers
We still have Hoes.
Kenny Olson
Hoes is.
Rookie
Hoes is long gone. He's talking about Highland Park.
Chris Reavers
I remember as a kid being dragged to hoes with my mother. Yes, it was in Highland park just west of Cleveland on Ford Parkway.
Joe Sushi
Okay.
Rookie
And it turned into Snyder's.
Chris Reavers
Did it's not. Then it was a Snyder's Drugs. Well, it was an Ambers for a while.
Rookie
Okay, that I don't recall.
Chris Reavers
It was an Embers in there. I just remember Snyder's Drugstore. Now it's. What is Walgreens, CBS something.
John Knight
I don't know.
Kenny Olson
What's the time and time? Kim, could you give me the time?
Chris Reavers
Why don't we take the time out?
Joe Sushi
I thought you were a Red Owl family.
Rookie
Red Owl was on Ford Parkour and.
Joe Sushi
Rookie's family was Red Owl. Okay, that's right.
Chris Reavers
I can't claim that.
Rookie
And then you remember Mr. B who was the manager of Snyder's. Wonderful guy. Then when he passed, you learned he was a World War II veteran that did these amazing things overseas.
Chris Reavers
I didn't know anything about him.
Joe Sushi
Not one other podcast in the country knows the name of the Snyder's manager other than Garage Logic.
Rookie
Great guy.
Chris Reavers
Was he the guy who mumbled yes. Yeah. Curly hair, glass. No, I thought the guy at the grocery store.
Rookie
That was Mr. Vogel.
Chris Reavers
Vogel mumbled.
Rookie
Yeah. Well, he gave him a stand up.
Chris Reavers
He was probably a vet too.
Rookie
Yeah, I imagine so. He would have been there.
Chris Reavers
The rest.
Rookie
Yeah, they didn't come in yet.
Kenny Olson
Hey manager, do you have any. I was looking over here in the automotive aisle. Do you have any seafoam Bugs be gone. I see the motor treatment, but I'm looking for bugs be gone. Could you order some for me?
Joe Sushi
Light up.
Kenny Olson
Now, manager, if you want a great promotion, I advise you to hire Seafoam Santa to come in here, come into your store.
Chris Reavers
There.
Kenny Olson
Maybe you could have your wife sit on my lap there.
Rookie
Barbara Barb and ringing the Dog Elfie.
Chris Reavers
What about if Jimmy came in?
Joe Sushi
Oh, no.
Rookie
Say, Barb, why you sitting on Santa's lap?
Chris Reavers
It's February.
Kenny Olson
I want to try to talk to you about Seafoam. Thank you, Seafoam, and what a wonderful gift it would make for your family. But you gotta find the bugs be gone. That's what I've been doing for the last 30 minutes, trying to find a place where I can find bugs be gone in the middle of the winter. Because it's. It's the perfect stocking stuffer. It makes removing bugs from your windshield a pure joy. And when I'm talking Seafoam Santa, I'm thinking a package. A package with three different Seafoam products. Of course, the motor treatment. That's the answer to all your engine woes. And then the deep creep. That's a wonderful premium grade shop lubricant. It creeps deeper, it works better and lasts much longer than any other product on the shelf. And then, of course, the bugs be gone. That stuff is. I don't know. That's straight from heaven. It's a true miracle. You can actually watch the bugs slide down your windshield and then just wash them off with ease. There you go. It's the perfect trio of Christmas gifts, courtesy of your, your best friend, Seafoam Santa.
John Knight
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Chris Reavers
Here's John Knight.
John Knight
Thank you, Joe. This news brought to you by North American Banking Company. Before we get into news, there are still Piggly Wigglies, Joe, in America.
Chris Reavers
Not here though.
John Knight
No. 18 states have Piggly Wigglies. Minnesota not one of them. There's 503 stores as of 2020. Oh boy. So still a bunch of people in news as you've been talking about, Joe. As the U.S. attorney's office announced a new batch of charges related to suspected fraudulent billing in Minnesota's government services, officials painted a dire portrait of just how extensive the problem could be. Assistant U.S. attorney Joe Thompson said the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services pulled claims for 14 programs identified by Minnesota officials as being particularly vulnerable to fraud and found $18 billion in Medicaid billing since 2018. Not all of those payments were illegitimate. Thompson estimated perhaps half or more.
Chris Reavers
It's 10 programs too many, by the way. 14. I'll give you 10. I'll give you four was received through.
John Knight
Fraudulent means, though he said prosecutors are still trying to find the exact number. In October, Governor Walz announced a third party audit of those 14 high risk programs and put a 90 day hold on payments to providers to review claims for potential fraud. One of those programs, Housing Stabilization Services, was discontinued on October 31. Thompson yesterday also announcing fraud charges against five additional defendants who defrauded the HSS program and the second indictment against a provider in Minnesota's Early Intensive Developmental and Behavioral Intervention Program for autism. During the news conference yesterday, Thompson also pushed back on widely circulated claims that the proceeds of the fraud schemes were being sent directly to Al Shabaab, a designated foreign terrorist organization based in Somalia. He said that most significant portions of the money federal investigators have traced to East Africa has not been used on terrorism, but as we pointed out, has been used to buy real estate in Kenya. Oh good, said there's no indication the defendants we've charged or radicalized or seeking to fund Al Shabaab or any other terrorist group, thompson said. Said somebody went to Somalia indirectly. Somebody might have gotten into the hands of Al Shabaab, he said, which controls significant parts of Somalia and imposes attacks there. UPDATE A 16 year old boy now has been charged with four counts of threats of violence in connection with those online threats sent to several schools earlier this week that according to Dakota County Attorney Kathy Kina. As previously reported, police were contacted about a series of threats posted to social media against four high schools in Dakota County, Keena said any threat of gun violence, especially when directed at schools, is taken seriously by my office. The suspects post included asking which school he should shoot up with a firearm and photos and videos of firearms. Investigators traced the threats to a home in Eagan. They also found the phone number associated with the accounts, According to prosecutors. Police who were positioned outside the home saw a vehicle leave and conducted a traffic stop. The driver and passenger were identified as the teen's parents and they confirmed the phone number associated with the accounts belonged to their son. Officers then went into the home, questioned the teen, who confirmed the phone number and social media accounts were his. He was arrested, brought to the Juvenile Service center in Hastings. He'll make his next court appearance on December 23rd.
Chris Reavers
Hey kid, if you learn how to read and write, you'll probably stay out of trouble.
John Knight
This story pretty interesting. Obviously lots of backstory here that we will never know. The body of an unidentified man found in Albert leave back in 2015 has now been identified as a World War II veteran who passed away years before he was discovered. According to the DNA DOE Project, they have identified the remains as belonging to Luis Gilberto Robledo, who is believed to have died sometime between 2000 and 2012. According to the DNA DOE Project, Robledo's remains were found April 6, 2015 and forensic investigators at the time determined he was likely 44 to 55 years old and may have been Hispanic. Robledo's identification was then brought to the DNA Doe project which confirmed Robledo was of Mexican descent and had several close DNA matches in their match database. Team leader Gianna Fury said Hispanic cases are often tough because that population is underrepresented in the DNA databases we have access to. In this case we were lucky to have close DNA matches on both the mother's side and the father's side. That allowed us to identify the John Doe's parents. Within 24 hours after discovering his parents, the team was able to narrow narrowed down the identity to Robledo as he was the only son of the couple who was unaccounted for. One of Robledo's children later took a DNA test which confirmed the remains were his. Despite their initial belief that Robledo was middle aged when he died, able to confirm that he was born in 1923 and was possibly in his 80s or 90s at the time of his death, Robledo was a native of El Paso, Texas, where he was born. A World War II veteran. At 21 years old he fought in the battle of Normandy where he was wounded. Later settled down in Los Angeles, California, his last known location. He was living in Mexico in 1990. So it's unknown how Robledo ended up here in Minnesota as well as when he died. Exactly.
Chris Reavers
Why did they think he was middle aged?
John Knight
Just from the bones, the remains, they.
Chris Reavers
You know, gee whiz, does it all.
Kenny Olson
Concern you guys that the government has your DNA information?
Chris Reavers
Well, where would they get it? From a doctor?
Kenny Olson
It's as innocent as these Hoople heads. These unsuspecting Hoople heads in your family that send in samples of their DNA so they can trace their ancestry.
Chris Reavers
Yeah, I don't do that.
Kenny Olson
And oh no, it doesn't matter if somebody in your family has done it.
Chris Reavers
They have, they have yours.
Joe Sushi
But Kenny, with this, to answer your question, wouldn't the fact that he had a role in military, would that have anything to do with them?
Kenny Olson
Does that upset you guys at all? You don't mind the.
John Knight
No, I don't care.
Kenny Olson
The government crawling up your backside and making themselves at home.
Chris Reavers
No, I'm fixated on walls, on other.
John Knight
Things that you guys know about so.
Kenny Olson
Well, it's a major concern of mine.
Chris Reavers
All right, thank you.
John Knight
I did the test. That means I. John, I don't know.
Kenny Olson
If you could tell, but I was looking right at you when I was saying those mean things.
Joe Sushi
No, Kenny, I believe what you just got was the on air audio version of. Okay, Kenny.
Kenny Olson
Okay, Kenny.
Chris Reavers
Okay, Kenny.
Kenny Olson
Do you.
Chris Reavers
See you, John.
John Knight
We're just gonna spend the rest of the show staring at each other. Okay?
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John Knight
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Chris Reavers
I see you. All right. Proceed.
John Knight
A sordid tale from the Star Tribune.
Chris Reavers
Well, that one pretty sorted tale.
John Knight
Well, this one's really sorted, yeah. Former Minnesota funeral director has been charged with the post death decapitation of a woman whose skull was found by Boy Scouts in western Wisconsin woods nearly a quarter century ago. 57 year old Benjamin Carl Hanson of Bay Port charged in St. Croix County Circuit Court yesterday with two felonies. Hiding a corpse and felony theft in connection with the handling of the body of Alice Katerina Peterson, who was living in Stillwater when she died in 2001 at the age of 92. Hansen was booked into jail this week. Posted bond. It was released Thursday ahead of a Feb. 26 court appearance. Hansen, incidentally, is the husband of Bay Port Mayor Michelle Hansen. Two decades of various DNA and genetic testing led investigators this summer to confirm the skull belonged to Peterson. While law enforcement has charged the man they say is responsible, there remains uncertainty about whether the ashes that were turned over to Peterson's survivors were indeed hers. The St. Croix County Sheriff Scott Knutson said there remains a number of unanswered questions to include whose remains went where. It's all a very sad story, he said for the family. The skull's discovery has been the subject of news reports over the years. First when it was found in 2002 and again in 2022. On the 20th anniversary of the discovery, the sheriff's office took the case to the nonprofit DNA Doe Project, which we heard about in the last story. In hopes of unraveling the long running mystery, the California based organization narrowed her ancestry to Swedish. From there they followed the family tree until they came up with Peterson. The project contacted Anise, whose DNA was a major factor in confirming the skulls.
Kenny Olson
Joe, what's the name of our text tech school or the classes there in gl? Is it the Academy for the Gumption.
Rookie
County Institute for the Criminally Incompetent?
Kenny Olson
I propose one of the classes and I'll be more than willing to teach this class along with how to be a drug mule and other sorts of classes. How to get rid of a bottle body. I mean it's not that tough.
Chris Reavers
Maybe, maybe, maybe the family got the correct ashes just minus the weight of her head. You know, maybe, maybe this guy just wanted a head.
John Knight
The well, you speak about a motive sort of there. And the investigators said yesterday they have no idea what his motive was, why he took the skull, why the skull was removed and why it ended up where they found it.
Chris Reavers
Well, that's a shame. I hope she rests in peace.
Joe Sushi
Was he. Was he paid off? John, do you think. Is that your suspicion?
Chris Reavers
Who wanted a hand?
Joe Sushi
No one. Whoever was the culprit here?
Chris Reavers
I don't know. I.
Kenny Olson
Do you want a list of who wants.
Rookie
No, the heads up Boy Scouts discovery.
Chris Reavers
That's pretty good, Joe.
Joe Sushi
I was going to give John the on air queue. We do not need to take a pause here because we do have Patrick today. Johnny, so you can just keep going.
John Knight
Continue.
Joe Sushi
Yes.
John Knight
Boy, I'd already, you know, kind of gone down and.
Chris Reavers
That's all right.
John Knight
I'll get myself back up.
Chris Reavers
Don't worry.
Joe Sushi
Find your second win, John.
Kenny Olson
You can yourself up. But buddy.
John Knight
In national international news, the suspect in the Saturday shooting at Brown University that killed two students and injured nine others was found dead in a New Hampshire storage unit, according to authorities. And that same person, 48 year old Claudio Manuel Neves Valente, is believed to have fatally shot MIT physics professor Nuno Lorero.
Kenny Olson
Interesting.
John Knight
Authorities say they do not yet have a motive for the two shootings. Valente did attend Brown University as a grad student student in physics in 2000. He dropped out after a year and reentered the country in 2017 when he was admitted as a lawful permanent resident. He allegedly went to college in Portugal with the MIT professor that he killed. According to police, a witness saw Valenti in the bathroom at Brown, followed him out of the building, chased him to his car. The shooting happened a few hours later. Police connected the shooter to the vehicle and tracked him after the witness posted about it on Reddit. Authorities said Valenti was sophisticated and covering his tracks, including obscuring his cell phone so it couldn't be tracked. He switched plates on his rental car and didn't use his credit cards. Investigators first identified Valenti on the afternoon of December 17th and were able to connect him to both crime scenes through financial background information, including rental records for a car he drove to Providence in Massachusetts. An affidavit signed by a Rhode island district judge said police cracked the case after that Reddit tipster recognized a rental circling the area. The tipster told police they should be looking for a gray Nissan Altima and license plate information the police hadn't previously released. Police then tracked down images of Nevis Valenti renting the car at an Alamo location.
Kenny Olson
In Boston, we talked about that case at length on this week's Crabby. On that very day, the 17th. So they obviously solved this after we were done with that shit.
Chris Reavers
You know what would help solve more crimes? If cars started to be having colors again. Most cars are just painted gray or white or, you know, how about some real bright reds, yellows, greens, like a fluorescent Pinto. You could walk down a street and all the cars are gray.
Kenny Olson
What was that Chevrolet greenish color that I love so much? You know the one I'm talking about in the Smith mid-60s.
Chris Reavers
Oh, they had some bad seafoam green.
Kenny Olson
I think so. Yeah.
Chris Reavers
Green. I mean, cars used to have beautiful colors. They don't have color anymore.
Rookie
Bring back the Maverick.
Chris Reavers
That's right.
John Knight
There are mavericks now. They're pickups.
Chris Reavers
Yeah, they're pickups. Why don't we take a break?
Kenny Olson
Wait a second.
Chris Reavers
Yeah, we got to get Patrick.
Kenny Olson
What were you gonna say, John? We're good.
John Knight
I was gonna say it's 12:57.
Chris Reavers
I got a concert to go to. Jesus Christ.
Kenny Olson
Christ.
Chris Reavers
Yeah.
Rookie
God, you guys, it's at the cathedral.
John Knight
You're right.
Chris Reavers
Yeah, just. Yes, John. I'm sorry. John.
John Knight
Nothing. I got nothing.
Chris Reavers
Oh. All right. Let's go, then. Get Pat.
Rookie
Wow.
Kenny Olson
Maybe you should turn.
Rookie
Are you ready to go?
Kenny Olson
So you work on all you.
Chris Reavers
Hey, Patrick.
Pat Donahue
How you doing?
Chris Reavers
How are you feeling?
Pat Donahue
I went to the rehab. A young rehab guy today. Yeah, Nice guy, hell of a kid. Did well. But he moved that knee around some places that the knee didn't really want to go.
Joe Sushi
So.
Pat Donahue
But, you know. But it's. It. He did a hell of a good job. I'll say.
Joe Sushi
How's your 40 time?
Pat Donahue
He had 25 minutes after I was there. You know, he had me. He had me doing some things that I never imagined I could have done yesterday. So it was. It was okay. And even had me on one of those easy to pedal bikes at the end where I went a mile.
Rookie
Please tell me. Please tell me you'll video that sometime.
Joe Sushi
Yeah.
Pat Donahue
Yeah.
Kenny Olson
All right, Royce, are you off the narcotics now?
Pat Donahue
Oh, God, no. I still got some Oxy, and if I don't use it all, I can sell it, you know?
Chris Reavers
That's good.
Kenny Olson
Well, put me at the top of the list.
Pat Donahue
Yes. Right. You know, I think it's overrated, though. Oxygen. I don't think a pill can help you that much when it's that little, do you?
Kenny Olson
Yes. Yes, I do.
Pat Donahue
A little tiny.
Kenny Olson
I am very familiar with the frame phrase, stay ahead of the pain.
Chris Reavers
Pat, do you have a brace On.
Pat Donahue
I don't have any. No, I don't. I have a. I do not have a brace. On. If you. They got the machine, you know the cool. The ice machine.
Chris Reavers
Yeah. You got your ice.
Pat Donahue
Deal ice in there. And then they. They just put a big wrap around the knee and it runs for a while, but. No, they have a. They have a super duper bandage on the front that you can shower with and everything. It has. It hasn't. It hasn't wiggled an inch since, you know, I've been taking showers every day and stuff. They got this. It goes from the bottom of the knee to the top of the knee. And I haven't seen the scar yet because it's underneath that bandage.
Chris Reavers
So we have a hockey team that needs to be taken seriously, don't we?
Pat Donahue
Oh, my God, they're good. Yeah, they are. They're really. They had what? They had a little three game dip there. And since then they've won five in a row again, right?
Chris Reavers
Yeah.
Pat Donahue
And now they, you know, they.
Chris Reavers
Who net minded last night?
Kenny Olson
The other one.
Chris Reavers
I thought.
Pat Donahue
Wally. Wally. Wally, yeah, Wally the wall.
Chris Reavers
Yeah.
Pat Donahue
Because Dutch has been better than Wally lately.
Chris Reavers
No, they made each other better. It's just working out perfect. The chemistry works. They're two players short of a cup. That's my theory. Two. Two.
Pat Donahue
You think so? Okay.
Chris Reavers
But I expected to make a long run in the playoffs. They're very. They got something going for themselves. They're looking very good.
Kenny Olson
You guys, it's December, okay?
Chris Reavers
Yeah.
Kenny Olson
Just chill out.
Chris Reavers
Yeah. And if you're not in the playoff hunt by Thanksgiving, it's over. So it's very legitimate to talk about this.
Pat Donahue
You know, what I said a couple days ago is that I have to. It looks to me like we're headed for another trip to the Western Conference final.
Chris Reavers
I agree. I agree.
Pat Donahue
That One was in 2003.
Chris Reavers
That's right. 22 years ago.
Pat Donahue
22 years ago. Yes. That's. They have not been out of the first round since 15.
Chris Reavers
Well, this is the year.
Pat Donahue
And in fact, I think you throw and the two series, they want an O3 and then the 14 and 15. I think they've only won four playoff series, if I'm not mistaken.
Chris Reavers
Pat, any football excite you this weekend as we get the playoffs underway?
Pat Donahue
I'm still. I'm still. I don't. I haven't spent a lot of my life feeling sorry for the Los Angeles Rams, but that call on the two point conversion was the stupidest thing in the history of football.
Chris Reavers
I forgot the damn game was on it sounds like it was a beaut.
Pat Donahue
They throw a two point conversion, A guy kicks it around, it's incomplete. It's 30 to 28. Everybody's leaving the field. All of a sudden some guy from Seattle casually picks up the ball in the end zone and some moron up there in the replay group that wait a minute. And decided that it had been a backward pass. But even then, John, you can't. You can't advance a fumble right in the last two minutes of the game or something. The old stabler rule from 100 years ago, right?
John Knight
Yeah, but.
Joe Sushi
But it wasn't a possession. That was the difference. Pat. It wasn't a possession.
Pat Donahue
Why is it a difference? You can't be that nitpicking. You can't be that bleeping stupid.
Chris Reavers
Because the officials control the outcome of the game.
Pat Donahue
Yes, they do. The more than. More than any other game. And the Seahawks, the Rams were three touchdowns better than they were all night and somehow they end up winning.
Chris Reavers
It was.
Pat Donahue
It was bad. Sam looked terrible most of the night and still a Seattle ends up winning. But it was a more NFL ridiculous robbery.
Chris Reavers
Where are the fighting Vikings Sunday? At the Giants.
Joe Sushi
At the Giants.
Chris Reavers
Giants for a noon game.
Joe Sushi
That'll be a good one.
Chris Reavers
Yeah, at the Giants. All you can hope for is just horrible weather to make it interesting.
Joe Sushi
I think it's supposed to be damn near 60.
Chris Reavers
Probably will be beautiful.
Pat Donahue
Yeah, well that's. That's. Of course we should then you know they're going to the Meadowlands. We should. We should recall we're approaching the 25th anniversary of 41.
Chris Reavers
Nona.
Joe Sushi
Yes.
Pat Donahue
You know the. Maybe the most enjoyable I ever had in a football press box.
Chris Reavers
How was Sid's behavior that day?
Pat Donahue
Was he there? He might not have gone. He might have stopped traveling. Not sure. But I know that that was when Rob Brzezinski confronted me in the restroom at halftime from the Vikings. That for making too many smart ass remarks. And I said I'm not behind 38 to nothing to a team that I was favored to be. That's my problem. Be mad at somebody else.
Joe Sushi
That's also the scene. Patrick, remind me of the greatest Kevin Seifert quote of all time. When Waswa Sirwanga was falling for the pump fake so bad. And Kevin Seifert said he looks like a chocolate lab falling for the tennis ball trick. Go get it, boy.
Pat Donahue
He looks like a dog chasing a Frisbee.
Joe Sushi
Or that's what it was.
Rookie
A frisbee.
Chris Reavers
Well, I would think, I suppose. What is the line I suppose the Vikings might even be favored.
Joe Sushi
I think they're only favored by a couple, though.
Chris Reavers
Yeah.
Pat Donahue
Giants are terrible, so. Yeah.
Rookie
We don't have a chance to play spoiler, do we?
Pat Donahue
No, no, no.
Chris Reavers
College football playoffs begin this weekend.
Joe Sushi
Tonight.
Chris Reavers
Including tonight. Yes. Yeah.
Pat Donahue
Is this we. We get the. Is this the James Manner that we got, the two, you know, small, small schools in there as conference champions because we were so humiliated that Duke won the ACC championship with five losses. So they didn't put them in there.
Joe Sushi
But tonight's game's good. I think it's Alabama at Oklahoma's.
Pat Donahue
Tonight's Alabama's the fraud. They shouldn't be in there.
Chris Reavers
Well, Notre Dame should have been in.
Pat Donahue
The final instead of Alabama.
Chris Reavers
Yeah, I agree.
Joe Sushi
I have a twins question for Pat Patrick. Okay, Patrick. We have the new restructuring of the twins organization. I had no idea there was yet another Polad.
Pat Donahue
Well, here's the deal. There's three brothers. There's Joel, and then there's. There's Tom, this guy who was the head of Poland companies. And then there's Chris, who. This. This should tell you something.
Chris Reavers
Who's Bill was.
Rookie
No, that's the. That's the older.
Pat Donahue
The other generation.
Joe Sushi
This is the grandkids of.
Chris Reavers
Of Carl.
Pat Donahue
Bill was the movie producer.
Chris Reavers
Yes.
Pat Donahue
Although he hadn't made a movie in a while. I don't know what happened to him.
Rookie
Well, that's the line where Carl Poed said, do you want to know how to become a millionaire, be a billionaire and invest in movies.
Chris Reavers
Yeah.
Pat Donahue
Yeah. Well, anyway, anyhow, anyhow, there's three brothers and we had Joe. They put. Put in charge of the twins a couple of years ago. Right, right. They were moving out St. Peter and he's the guy that took over the radio stations. They bought for 24. 5 million and sold them for 4. But, yeah, they. Yeah, you know, and then there's Chris is, I guess the younger one. Well, they took Chris and put him in charge of Poland companies and they took Tom off full ad companies and put them ahead of the twins because, you know, he's. Here's what the inside word is. He's the smart one. He's not a baseball guy, but he's got a brain.
Chris Reavers
All right, good.
Pat Donahue
So, you know, he's. He's gonna learn the business and. And we don't know what we're doing with Joe now that we. We moved him aside a baseball and we didn't put him in charge of the company, so we don't know what's going on.
Rookie
Don't they own a Dairy Queen. He could run or something like that.
Pat Donahue
Could be, but everybody's making fun of it that, you know, that they made this change and it's not really a change. Well, the change they made was they put the smartest poll ad in charge of the smartest of the brothers in charge of the twins.
Chris Reavers
Well, that's optimistic. I think that's optimistic.
Kenny Olson
And, Patrick, how did it go over with Joe?
Pat Donahue
I don't know. Joe and I aren't close since I named him Turkey the year or two years ago. I went up and congratulated him, Kenny, and he did not take it in the spirit it was intended.
Chris Reavers
Oh, man. If you. That's an honor to be named Turkey of the Year.
Kenny Olson
I read somewhere that there was some family turmoil with this new arrangement.
Pat Donahue
Oh, I'm sure there is. Yeah, there is. Yeah.
Chris Reavers
Yeah.
Pat Donahue
Well, it's funny how the, you know, the. Originally the three brothers or, you know, Bob. Bob was always like the smart, aggressive one, but he ended up out in Washington Running the PepsiCo operation they had out there. And these are all his three sons. The sons are all his. And, you know, and Bill didn't want anything to do with baseball. And, you know, so they put Jim in charge of baseball. But Jim was a. Let Dave St. Peter and those guys run it.
Rookie
My three sons. Ernie, Chip and Rob, huh?
Pat Donahue
Now we got. Now we got three sons again. But they're all. They're all Bill. They're all Bob's three kids.
Chris Reavers
Will your weekend include rehabilitation?
Pat Donahue
I don't have any rehabilitation. But they want you to do this at home, Joe.
Chris Reavers
Right, right. That's what I meant. You'll have to do it.
Rookie
I don't have DA all set up.
Pat Donahue
I'm supposed to do it at all these. I have excruciating exercises at home. I have a minimum of confidence in myself.
Kenny Olson
Oh, isn't the DA cracking the whip and looking over at you and feeding your medicine? I see with the clipboard.
Rookie
I see her with the nurse's outfit. I see her with the, you know, checklist.
Pat Donahue
The DA has been a saint in this operation. I cannot make any complaints.
Chris Reavers
Wonderful admission. Wonderful admission.
Rookie
I'm happy for your relationship.
Joe Sushi
The caregiver.
Kenny Olson
The game of flaws is on hold.
Pat Donahue
It has made the game of flaws more lopsided than ever. Even if there is an obvious flaw.
Chris Reavers
You know what's going to happen. It'll all come back to get you someday when you're hopping around, wait about six months.
Pat Donahue
Oh, God, no, I'm not. I'm not. I'M not. I'm not overly confident.
Joe Sushi
I'm just picturing Pat. A little service bell.
Rookie
Yeah, you have a little bell when you need assistance, beckon her little.
Pat Donahue
Little debate in the middle of the summer when you hear, what would he be done without me? When you were limping around like that. Fat Slavia. What about a loudspeaker?
Chris Reavers
Can you just. Y. Hey, J.
Pat Donahue
Get your ass in here.
Chris Reavers
Can you do that? I need a diet sandwich. All right, I'll talk to you Monday.
Pat Donahue
All right, thank.
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Rookie
He sounds pretty happy.
Chris Reavers
Thought I'm better medicated.
Joe Sushi
Yep. And then scramble, rejoin.
Rookie
Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.
Joe Sushi
Oh, we got plenty of time.
Rookie
Cathedrals.
Chris Reavers
I'm gonna go see Stephen C. All right. Pat Donahue and Julian.
Rookie
Pat Donahue plays a funny couple of blues songs.
Chris Reavers
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you were there last night. Yeah.
Joe Sushi
It'S the scramble.
Chris Reavers
All right.
Joe Sushi
Harmony Spirits.
Chris Reavers
Look at this.
Rookie
Wow. What is that?
Chris Reavers
Look at that.
Joe Sushi
Okay, so I stopped in at Harmony Spirits on Sunday, and those are the pre made cocktails. There's four different ones that are in there. They do these very, very cool and festive gift packs. Rook, I want you to read all four of those. There's, I believe, the pink lemonade.
Rookie
Pink lemonade with vodka.
Chris Reavers
Okay.
Rookie
I got no chance of seeing that when that gets in my house. BlackBerry lemonade with bourbon.
Joe Sushi
And I tried that when I was at the taste room, and that is exceptional.
Rookie
Holy buckets. Oh, Harmony Legacy with gin.
Joe Sushi
All right, and then the last one is the one I'm super excited about.
Rookie
Oh, Caramel app with rum.
Joe Sushi
Yes. So Larry sent a couple of these. I got one for you too, Soul man. So whenever you're in town, Larry sent a bunch of them for all of us.
Kenny Olson
Awesome.
Joe Sushi
All of us that still partake at times. And then that rookie, that one right there, that is the Harmony Spirits whiskey. And he sent a bottle just for you because you always rave about the whiskey. Anyway, those gift packs are really cool, and they are available at the tasting room, which, like, like I said, I stopped by. You know what downtown Harmony is this time of the year? Pleasant, festive.
Rookie
Yes.
Joe Sushi
The lights line up the street. It's so cool.
Kenny Olson
It's Americana.
Joe Sushi
It absolutely is Americana. So stop in if you have to entertain over the holidays. And that's a wonderful, wonderful product made right here in the great state of Minnesota. Say hi to Larry Damon. The entire Harmony Spirits crew. Please do me a favor and mention that you heard about him on the Garage Logic podcast.
Chris Reavers
Virtually every show you hear podcast or on radio will Say today. See you next January. Because they're all leaving today. Not us. Not us. We're gonna be back Monday and Tuesday.
Joe Sushi
That's right.
Chris Reavers
Monday and Tuesday.
Rookie
What's Tuesday?
Kenny Olson
All right, that sounds like a lot of fun.
Joe Sushi
Can I ask you a quick question?
Chris Reavers
I'm gonna do this before you do.
Joe Sushi
This day in history, rookie. The percent chance any one of those bottles still has liquid in it by Monday.
Rookie
Well, truth be told, there's some kind of. What's the party tonight? They're having my favorite thing. Things that the gals are having.
Kenny Olson
Zero.
Joe Sushi
It's zero.
Rookie
Well, this. These four will be gone for sure. I don't think they're.
Chris Reavers
I don't think you should do a whole gallon of that.
Rookie
No, no, I. I'm. I'm saying that the gals that will be here tonight. There's 12 people coming over, Joe.
Chris Reavers
Yes.
Kenny Olson
A very important day today, especially for the likes of Chris Reavers and Kenny Olsen. Today is December 19th. Tin foil hat Day.
Joe Sushi
Oh, and I didn't get you anything, Kenny.
Chris Reavers
Holy cow, you do.
Rookie
What is it?
Chris Reavers
What is the ca. A great day.
Kenny Olson
Yeah, I love it.
Rookie
What do you just pretend that there's conspiracy theories?
Joe Sushi
There's no pretend.
Chris Reavers
Okay.
John Knight
Speculation.
Rookie
Only because you want to get out of here.
Chris Reavers
Only because they come to us all the way from Kiowaka, New Zealand.
Rookie
You don't tell me, huh?
Chris Reavers
From the Traveling Lineman's worldwide waftage.com was on this day, Joe.
Joe Sushi
Today is the.
Chris Reavers
In 1836, Maria Louise Sanford was born in Saybrook, Connecticut. An extraordinary and popular teacher, Sanford was appointed to the Department of Rhetoric at the University of Minnesota in 1880. After her retirement in 1909, she remained active, speaking on educational and patriotic topics. She died in 1920. A statue of her sculpted by Evelyn Raymond represents the state in the Sanctuary hall in Washington, D.C. on this day, December 19th. In 1906, Couthiching county was established. Ojibwe and Cree people had long used the word couchaching to refer to multiple bodies of water, including the one eventually called Rainy Lake by Europeans and Americans.
Joe Sushi
I'm not looking at him.
Chris Reavers
I promise. Coochie on this day, Joe.
Joe Sushi
Today is tinfoil hat day, December 19th.
Chris Reavers
In 1956, Governor Orville L. Freeman appointed L. Howard Bennett to a municipal judgeship in Minneapolis, making him the first African American judge appointed in Minneapolis.
Rookie
Give me a year on that again.
Chris Reavers
I'm sorry. Appointed in Minnesota.
Rookie
What year?
Chris Reavers
1957. Oh, good. Orville had the bad one. Half of his face was all goofy.
Rookie
Like Bell's Palsy from.
Chris Reavers
No, from an injury. Oh. On this day, also in 1957, December 19, West St. Paul sociology teacher Glenn Holmquist was accused of slapping a student at a high school dance and was cleared of an assault charge by a municipal court. Holmquist's attorney said that his client's action was justified as an attempt to maintain order and that there should be more discipline instead of the wishy washy policy parents are advocating today. That guy would have been put in prison today.
Rookie
I'll say.
Chris Reavers
You know, he won his case. And on this day in Minnesota, sports disappointment history.
Joe Sushi
Who'd we lose to on this?
Chris Reavers
There are no items posted. Yes, we're making a comeback for today's day. No items posted.
Joe Sushi
Except for the years from when you and Pat said the C word during a wild discussion.
Chris Reavers
Hey, I didn't.
Joe Sushi
You said the C word.
Kenny Olson
Yeah, you did, Joe. I'm very, very disappointed.
Chris Reavers
For a minute, I didn't know which C word.
Joe Sushi
I'm sorry.
Chris Reavers
No.
Kenny Olson
Three letters say you were one.
Chris Reavers
I said you're acting like.
Joe Sushi
Right.
Chris Reavers
I'm sorry. They're two players short. I. I'm not predicting anything. I'm just saying what I see.
Kenny Olson
Just don't say the words.
Joe Sushi
Just don't say the word.
Chris Reavers
Oh, I did say the word.
Joe Sushi
You know the rule. Yeah, like stepping on the logo when you're in the room.
Chris Reavers
Right. Yeah. Thank you, G. Ellers. We'll be back Monday and Tuesday. We haven't started our Christmas fondness yet.
Joe Sushi
Oh, we've got a lot more festive rookie to get out of our system.
Rookie
Did I mention about the online auction?
Joe Sushi
That was last night? O hey, do us a favor though. Speaking of online, find us on YouTube. That's right. You can search Garagelogic on YouTube. Where?
Kenny Olson
Or not.
Chris Reavers
Or not. Where do you get in to get a ticket? Oh, God.
Joe Sushi
Where you can watch the show each and every single day starting right around noon. You can also see full segments, video shorts, behind the scenes footage, and you can also search for us on all of our social media channels, which includes Facebook, Instagram and. And X. And sign up for the daily logistics.
Chris Reavers
Oh, my God.
Joe Sushi
Garagelogic.com have a good weekend, Galers.
Gamut Podcast Network • December 19, 2025
Episode 1684
This episode is a spirited, impassioned take-down of Minnesota’s state government, focusing heavily on the breathtaking scope of fraud permeating virtually every state assistance program. Mayor Joe Soucheray and the Garage Logic crew rail against what they describe as "industrial-strength fraud" in state-benefit programs, lambasting Governor Tim Walz, his administration, and broader government incompetence. The show moves on to satirize the push for city-run grocery stores, reflect on Twin Cities’ changing landmarks, dip into sports, and, as always, end with camaraderie, nostalgia, and inside jokes.
(Main theme from 01:12 – 18:00)
Widespread Fraud Uncovered:
Joe Soucheray details the scale and variety of fraud schemes bleeding Minnesota dry — from Feeding Our Future and Medicaid fraud (including Housing Stabilization and Autism clinics), to tourism scams and childcare assistance abuse.
Anger at Political Leadership:
Consistent outrage is directed at Governor Tim Walz, accused of passivity, incompetence, and a lack of vetting or oversight.
Systemic Failures & No Accountability:
The crew asserts the proliferation of loosely-run and unvetted state programs is a breeding ground for fraud, with "no checks and balances," and little genuine help for the truly needy.
Cynicism & Hopelessness:
Discussion of FBI raids at fraudulent businesses, consistent with claims that Minnesota was targeted as an “easy mark” for scammers.
"If you'll note and think back on [Joe Thompson’s] quotations…he has always said we're just at the tip of the iceberg here. We have no idea how much this will ultimately be. And it turns out probably every single program in the state of Minnesota is riddled with fraud.” — Chris Reavers (05:51)
“The vulnerable would be even more vulnerable…what you need to help the vulnerable is competency. Yeah, an actual concern, not this BS honesty.” — Chris Reavers with Kenny Olson (07:47–07:53)
(Segments from 08:13 – 18:18)
On-the-Ground Checks:
The hosts talk about specific locations (strip-mall offices, “fake bus companies,” the now-closed Mendota Child Daycare and Golden Adult Daycare) being raided or observed empty, suggesting their sham nature.
Political Critiques & Conspiracies:
Accusations extend to Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan and even U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar, whose alleged financial windfalls generate speculation and jibes.
National Embarrassment:
Minnesota’s fraud cases are now so numerous, the state gets its own “fraud” tab on some national news sites (10:23).
(22:23 – 34:44)
Municipal Grocery Stores: A Bad Idea
The crew lampoons the ideological push for city-owned or subsidized grocery stores in Minneapolis — referencing failed efforts in Kansas City ($29 million in losses), Tulsa, Madison, and Atlanta.
Crime, Motivation, and Inevitable Failure:
Private grocery store closures due to crime in St. Paul and North Minneapolis are cited as proof that a city-run replacement would suffer the same problems, but without even the weak profit incentive to maintain standards.
(36:11 – 37:40)
Joking about defunct Twin Cities grocery chains (Red Owl, Hoes, Snyder’s), sharing personal memories, and differentiating regional supermarkets.
(42:14 – 54:55)
Fraud Updates:
John Knight recaps federal investigations, recent indictments, and clarifies that — despite rumors — most money isn’t tracked to terrorism, but often real estate in Kenya (43:17).
DNA Doe Project:
Fascinating cold case: the body of a WWII veteran, long unidentified, is finally traced via DNA (45:44).
Grim Sidebar:
Old funeral home case where a director decapitated a woman postmortem — dark humor and wordplay ensue (49:12 onwards).
Surveillance State Jokes:
Discussion on genealogical DNA, privacy, and whether the government “has your DNA” (47:51–48:42).
(55:02 – 67:38)
Wild Hockey Optimism:
Soucheray and Donahue see playoff promise in the Wild team:
Football Gripe:
NFL officiating errors, Vikings–Giants, playoff memories, and classic Kevin Seifert quotes.
(63:24 – 66:49)
(67:50 – End)
On Minnesota’s Fraud:
"I'm more convinced...[this is] industrial-strength fraud" (03:50) — Joe Soucheray
On the State Government:
"There’s been no honesty in this administration...nothing but hypocrisy.” (07:53–08:05) — Chris Reavers, Kenny Olson
Satire, ‘Dystopian Grocery’:
“I'm seeing bugs in the produce area...nothing but mushy grapes in the city-owned grocery store...bad fruit.” (29:26–29:56) — Soucheray
On Walz’s Accountability:
“I think I have enough faith left in humanity that he’s going to hit a brick wall here real soon.” (16:28) — Chris Reavers
On Motivation:
“What would motivate the people who supposedly ran a city grocery store? There isn’t any.” (27:29) — Reavers
The episode is a classic Garage Logic blend: sardonic, irate, darkly comic, civic-minded, and loaded with street-level anecdotes. The conversational pile-on reinforces the sentiment that leadership is flailing, taxpayers are fleeced, and government expansion rarely brings the promised results. But for all the cynicism, there’s humor, local color, and affection for the quirks of Minnesota.
You’ll come away with a vivid sense of Minnesota’s fraud crisis, a primer on the hosts’ worldview (skeptical, anti-bureaucracy, and pro-common sense), plus plenty of local flavor and blue-collar wisdom. If you like your commentary with a side of gallows humor and grocery nostalgia, you’re in the right garage.