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D (22:32)

Hello?

B (22:32)

Hello, Ken.

D (22:34)

It's a voice. It's a voice that touches me in my spirit. Spent a lot of evenings in the 90s listening to a certain Tommy Mishke in my garage airbrushing goalie masks.

B (22:45)

Airbrushing goalie masks?

D (22:47)

Yeah.

B (22:48)

Was that lucrative?

D (22:49)

Actually, it was. That went pretty good. It kind of ran its course, and I got tired of doing it and moved on to painting motorcycles and custom cars and stuff. Ended up designing motorcycle parts for a living.

B (22:59)

That's what you do now?

C (23:01)

Yeah.

B (23:01)

If you were to place something in the museum of Personal Failures, what would it be?

D (23:10)

Oh, in hindsight, you know, with this whole texting thing, it took me a while to get used to. If someone texts you and you text them back, you better check who you're sending the text to, because sometimes you get a few at once and you send the wrong message to the wrong person. So I was sending a note back to my wife about just explaining my affections for her, let's just say. And instead of sending it to her, it went to Representative Peggy Scott of the Minnesota House, who I was working with at the. That was an embarrassing moment that I still haven't, to this day, really lived down. And that was probably 12 years ago.

B (23:46)

Any way at all you could deliver to me word for word what that text said?

D (23:51)

Probably not on a radio show.

B (23:54)

Really? It goes into that area. Yeah.

D (23:56)

It's not the kind of thing you'd want to send to your congressperson.

B (23:59)

Well, it doesn't sound like something you'd want to send to anyone. Anyone outside your wife.

D (24:05)

Exactly. And that person being top of the list of, no, don't send it there.

B (24:09)

So did she respond before you had a chance to correct yourself?

D (24:14)

I'm afraid so. I believe it was three question marks

B (24:18)

in a row, along with a heart. Imagine if she would have texted back, I'm putting on my Harley Davidson perfume right now. Let me know when you're swinging by.

D (24:32)

That would have been a different outcome.

B (24:34)

I had a friend who was having a discussion, a little bit heated with a boss. His boss was a woman, and he was upset about something, but he was trying to be polite about it. And they were kind of going back and forth on the phone, and he realized he wasn't getting anywhere with his boss, and he decided he would just end the call. So he said, okay, well, we can talk tomorrow when I come back into the office. So said goodbye and pressed the button, thinking he was disconnecting the call, but he missed that button. Oh, so what he did was say, we can talk tomorrow when I'm in the office. Bye, bye, and then failed to hit the button and then said, you fat cow. And then he looked and he saw he hadn't hit the button, so then he quickly hit the button, and then he sat there in his car for an hour trying to figure out, A, what his future was looking like, B, whether he should just pull the car into the garage and leave it running now and just sit and wait for an end to come, a merciful end. But he instead went back into that office that next day, walked into that office without having had any more communication with her, and there she was. And there he was. And he had to confront the fat cow. I mean, he had to confront the woman. To his credit, he did. He did apologize. And, you know, there's no real way out of that.

C (26:08)

No.

D (26:09)

That takes a little healing time. Yeah. Hey, you know what? We have a mutual friend, and that is one Bob Davis.

B (26:18)

Bob Davis. And you are friends?

D (26:21)

Yes.

B (26:21)

And how did that come about?

D (26:23)

I used to do political stuff until I realized that just sucks the life out of you. And we did some events with Bob Davis because he had a political talk show at one point, and him and I just got to be friends. We hit it off because we both like a lot of the same things, and cars and road trips especially. And, you know, the Mishke Road show is often played here at our company as well, too. So you've had many years of entertaining our group of people here we work with as well as Bob has, too.

B (26:54)

Bob, he used to follow me at kstp. He used to do his show after mine. And Bob was pretty intense. Here's what I'm marveling at regarding that individual. However, I believe today he is a very, very different human being. I get the sense Bob. Bob has gone through some extraordinary metamorphosis. Am I right on that?

D (27:19)

You're spot on. You're spot on. He's so much more just laid back. And I worked a lot of nights doing painting and artwork and stuff. And so you and Bob listen to you guys every single night. It was fantastic. So I've got a warm spot in my heart for the two of you guys.

B (27:35)

He was intensely political. Now, I was not a political guy. I. I was doing my radio show. And then he would come on and KSTP would go right back to the hardcore politics that it had going all day up until I came along. So he was this guy who lived and breathed politics. I mean, he was just rabid about it, intense going to all sorts of websites, just filling his mind day in and day out. It's all he did. And now it's almost as though he has nothing to do with that world. He has disappeared into a nomadic existence, living in deserts and rural little areas with other nomads, traveling caravans of people who have disconnected from the world entirely. I don't know that he has politics in him anymore. I think he's like some sort of mystical figure now.

D (28:31)

A sage. A sort of sage.

B (28:34)

Does he recognize this transformation? Does he ever fully address it? I've never heard him actually address it.

D (28:40)

Yeah, he does every once in a while. And I know from conversations I've had with him, he's just. He's just out of it. He's just like, you know, there's no point. It's not. It's not getting anywhere. It was making him crazy. I was in the same boat. I was very, very politically involved. And I was like, I gotta get out of this. Do something else that's more creative.

B (28:58)

So there's a fascinating thing here that I want to bring. Bring up this politics thing. Bob was apparently trying to take it somewhere. You were trying to take it somewhere. I'm not trying to take anyone anywhere. So I'm fascinated by people who think they can take people somewhere, that they can do this and affect that and make the world this way. And somewhere along the line with you and Bob, there was a surrendering a sense of, what am I doing?

D (29:27)

That's an actually very good way of putting it. A surrender of just, you know, what gave it a good shot, had a good run, but it's not being effective. So why should keep doing it where I can take that time and actually create something tangible?

B (29:40)

So in this country right now, where you have perhaps more people than ever spending their days just in the thick of it politically, it's all over social media, and of course, all the people who are even making a living just hammering the drum of politics day after day after day after day. What are they missing? Are they missing living?

D (30:02)

Yes, I think that's part of it. And I think that the part of it is. I think it's tribal.

B (30:07)

It clearly is tribal. But what stops these people from having the Bob Davis metamorphosis or yours, where they say, you know what? I would just like to live a human life and not make this the centerpiece of each day?

D (30:22)

Boy, I wish I had an answer for you, Tommy. When I say tribal, I don't mean left versus right. I mean just being part of something. It's really easy to get locked into a certain mindset on any side and not be able to see your way out.

B (30:35)

It's interesting. I used to have these discussions with another guy who had a radio show at ksdp. In this case, the guy who was before me, Bob, was after me. Before me was a guy who lived and breathed politics day in and day out, just like Bob. Jason Lewis.

D (30:53)

Yes. Yes.

B (30:55)

And I used to say to Jason, you know, there's more to life than politics, my friend. And he'd say to me, mishki, everything is politics. Politics seeps into all things. You present something to me, some scenario, some situation. I'll talk to you about the political tentacles, the political ramifications, the political machinations. And I said, really? In everything? He said, yes, in everything. And so he and I were in very different places. But one of the ways I came to see things my way was I lived in a neighborhood, and everybody in the neighborhood lived a certain way. And that way was, well, the way people live in my neighborhood now. They all more or less got along with each other because they all more or less agreed upon what getting along involves.

C (31:52)

Right.

B (31:53)

And it involves you being able to do anything you want in this wonderfully free world of ours here in the United States, as long as it doesn't affect the other person in some deeply negative way. We're all reasonable with one another. Your party on Friday night can go later than your party on Wednesday night. And your lawnmower at 9am makes a lot more sense than your lawnmower at 6:30am and there was just these lovely agreed upon ways of living as well as agreed upon ways of welcoming each other. When you ran into someone or visiting with someone, when they came over to your garage sale, everybody seemed to be on the same page as far as the page of humanity goes. But that first Tuesday in November was very different. If you went with how they voted on that day, it was very different. Everybody was in their own little. Well, I guess we'll go with tribe in a sense there. But what I came to realize is how does that really play out outside of that first Tuesday? Outside of that first Tuesday? My battery's dead on my car. Dan over there brings his jumper cables. Susie, she makes some food for Debbie because Debbie's having a health crisis. And I'm already dealing with different political views here. But it's not playing out in any meaningful way until that first Tuesday in November. And so then I sit back and say, well, what really is this political thing I found myself thinking on A local level. I'm not sure any of us would be different politically. Somehow. It's when it gets bigger and gets beyond our neighborhood. People have these radically different views, but views that on a local level don't seem to play out in any meaningful way, which then gets me thinking in terms of politics as far as towns and neighborhoods versus nations. It's all very strange to me and hard for me to figure out. I ended up finding that a far more important factor in this world was a general sense of human decency.

D (34:14)

I find the same experience. Neighbors are neighbors. You be at a gas station, we're all the same conversations where you're filling up the tank, all of the political stuff goes out the window. And I think when I realized that, I'm like, yeah, building relationships and things with people and having experiences is so much more fulfilling than trying to change the world.

B (34:31)

Yeah. I would find someone's political view and religious view way down on the list. As I evaluated them, I would first see to what extent they seem to have a heart, a compassionate view of others, and to what extent. Living with them in a neighborhood is easy because they get it. They get the game of living together.

C (34:57)

The.

B (34:57)

The guy revving up his engine, midnight in the garage after he pulled the muffler. He's just not a very kind person. He's just selfish. And that is what I would look at and be concerned about more is selfishness and a lack of kindness above all else. And other than that, I think it would be wonderful to have people exploring all sorts of varied and different ideas. I think that would make it very interesting and fun to talk about. So I haven't figured out where things go wrong. Somewhere things do go wrong, and I think it's in the getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and somewhere it starts to get really messed up.

D (35:37)

I wonder if it's the question that never gets answered anymore is the what if they're right? That's a question I didn't hear much. In politics, we got to oppose this because it's from the other side. But what if they're right?

B (35:47)

There's a great philosopher, American philosopher, who has the view that everybody's right, they're just partially right. Whenever someone makes an impassioned plea and argument, if they're at all intelligent, something in what they're saying has some truth to it. But because truth is often complex, they only have a piece of the story, and they're playing it out as though they have it all. I find with most arguments in great debates, for instance, Both parties are coming with elements of the truth. And I think social media, that takes something like a small division and accelerates it, expands it and intensifies it to the point where it gets so distorted. And maybe that alone is where we find the big culprit. Because there are two worlds. There's the world online, which is kind of an artificial world, and then there's the world when you walk out your front door. And those are two different worlds. I used to have it happen when I was a little kid. I used to watch a television show, and then I'd walk out my front door and I'd realize, this world outside this front door is not the same as that world I just saw on that television show. But you watch enough of those shows and they can start to get you thinking that's real.

D (37:08)

Yes,

B (37:11)

I do find myself heartened at Bob Davis continuing to plug along. So please give him my best.

D (37:18)

Yeah, I will do that for sure. I should hopefully be talking with him later this week. He always says nice things about you. I always thought, hey, maybe if I hang out with Bob long time. One of these days. One of these days I'll get to talking.

B (37:31)

Well, you're very kind. I'll let you go. Wonderful visiting with you.

D (37:36)

Yes, sir. Thank you so much for the call. Call anytime.

B (37:39)

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C (40:45)

Hello, this is Andrew.

B (40:47)

Hello, Andrew Misky.

C (40:49)

What's going on?

B (40:51)

You tell me, sitting here at work.

C (40:55)

I work at a bowling alley.

B (40:57)

You work at a bowling alley?

C (41:00)

Yeah.

B (41:00)

People are still bowling, still putting the pins in place by hand.

C (41:05)

We get little seven, eight year old kids to do it. Stand there by the balls and we throw them at them. You know, extra points if you hit the kid.

B (41:13)

Couple of buddies of mine had a contest when they were bowling to see who could create the greatest arc on the ball vertically. Yes. You know who won that contest? The guy whose arc on the ball, when he sent a ball toward the pins, went up so high it went through the ceiling. Not only went through the ceiling, but it went two lanes over before coming down through the ceiling, over, over that other lane, sending all sorts of material crashing to the lane. You would think that fella must have got in a bunch of trouble. No, he ran and they couldn't catch him.

C (41:59)

Yeah, I could believe it. I could believe a guy threw a ball like that. You could watch that all day on YouTube.

B (42:04)

Yeah, we didn't have YouTube for that. All you had was the memory. And you had to live with just retelling the story over and over again and. And of course, the story would change over the years, as all stories do. It's just natural. And I'm not sure what really happened versus the story I tell, but it's Close, I think. Do you ever say to yourself, I've got the best job in the world?

C (42:28)

I got the best job for me.

B (42:31)

Well, that's what I mean, because this

C (42:32)

is as good as it gets sometimes. I've had a bunch of other jobs. I've worked a lot of places. And this right now, this is good.

B (42:39)

It's extraordinary to me that bowling still exists. As soon as the first guy got 300, there was a sense to me that what's the point of continuing with this game?

C (42:50)

I agree with you. I don't bowl.

B (42:52)

We put a man on the moon. We're not doing that anymore. 72 was the last time anybody stood on the moon. There's a group going up to the moon here shortly, but they're not even going to land. And the reason is, we did that. That's what a 300 game is. Why are we still bowling?

C (43:09)

I don't know. I don't do it.

B (43:11)

I was doing some research today on a museum. It's a new museum in North America. It's called the Museum of Personal Failure. People send in different things from their lives to represent their failures. If you were sending something in from your life, what would be something that might represent your greatest failure?

C (43:33)

Nothing I want to tell the world, I guess.

B (43:36)

How old is that bowling alley you work at?

C (43:39)

70 years.

B (43:41)

70 years old. Good to know some things don't change.

C (43:46)

Yeah.

B (43:47)

What did you want to do when you were a little kid? What did you want to be when you grew up?

C (43:52)

Play first base for the Minnesota Twins like everybody else.

B (44:00)

That's right.

C (44:00)

Kent Herbeck.

B (44:01)

That's right. For you it was Kent Herbeck. For me, it would have been killer brew.

C (44:05)

Yeah. I don't know, man. How I don't think about, like, what I wanted to be or even what I want to be in the future anymore. What job is going to be better than a bowling alley repairman?

B (44:18)

What job could be better than a bowling alley repair man? For jobs, I have tried them all Sat on many boards, often as the chairman but one day the good Lord gave to me the call. Bowling alley repairman was written across the sky. I did not ask how and I did not ask why I drilled oil in Kuwait, climbed mountains in Pakistan But God said, be a bowling alley repair man. The good Lord knew me well My success and my sins my desire to be a first baseman for the Minnesota Twins he said before the big bang came, he had for me a plan. And it called for me to be a bowling alley repair man. We all have a role to play. We all have a path. You may learn of mine and you may start to laugh. But money, women at adventure are not the things I chase. There is no peace, my friends. Like finding your place. I was captain of a ship. I did not need that life no more. I trained to be an astronaut but found that life a bore. And no, they do not need me on the Minnesota Twins. They need me fixing the machine that resets all the pins. Well, I just wanted to check in. I'd been going through the listener list while I was doing the show. Thought I'd track you down.

C (46:38)

I'm glad you called. Feel free to call anytime. I listen to you at work. So I'll come in at six in the morning and I'll put your podcast on. So I appreciate it.

B (46:48)

Well, thanks. Thanks for saying that. Great visiting with you and I hope to talk to you again sometime.

C (46:54)

Sounds good.

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C (49:25)

Hey, Misko, how you doing?

B (49:27)

Kelly, you've answered.

C (49:30)

I sure have.

B (49:31)

How long have you been on the list?

C (49:33)

Since you announced that you were gonna take phone numbers and get a. Get ahold of people.

B (49:38)

That was a year ago. So what do you do with your life?

C (49:42)

I got a girlfriend. I'm working at a place called Safety Clean. We pick up hazardous waste.

B (49:48)

Where'd she meet your girlfriend?

C (49:50)

Previous job. One night, she just called me looking for how to make a steak properly.

B (49:57)

How to make a steak?

C (49:59)

Yeah, how to cook it. Right. I gave her my opinion, and it just became like, six months of talking on the phone. She is much younger than I am, so I was like, but gosh, she's hilarious. And she's the sweetest girl I've ever met, you know?

B (50:14)

How old are you?

C (50:15)

51.

B (50:16)

And how old is she?

C (50:18)

25.

B (50:19)

Wow. So how long have you been together?

C (50:21)

I know, about two and a half years now.

B (50:24)

So two and a half years ago, you're working at some job. Does the job have anything to do with steak?

C (50:29)

No, it doesn't, Tommy. It's just. I think she was just hadn't made a steak before, and she was like, how do I make a steak properly? I've tried it, and it turned out terribly.

B (50:40)

And rather than going online or to YouTube, she called Pilgrim Dry Cleaners. So she calls Pilgrim Dry Cleaners.

C (50:47)

Well, she works there as well to

B (50:48)

see if someone at the dry cleaners knows how to make a steak.

C (50:51)

She called me and she said, hey, you know, I made a steak, and it's terrible. Can you help me out? And then I finally said, hey, you want to. Want to go bowling or something?

B (51:00)

I love that you said, want to go bowling or something. Yeah, in 2026. I just love that. That still would be an opening line if you wanted to date someone. That was my mother and father's first date in 1950. In 1950, my dad said to her, want to go bowling or something? And they went bowling. Now, I just delight in the fact that your approach was not that dissimilar to the old man's. First of all, I think it's a hilarious thing to do with a woman on a First date. I mean, I could see saying, want to go have a cup of coffee? Want to have dinner? Want to go bowling? That's a very specific thing. You know, it's like saying, would you like to play badminton with me? It's just an odd opening line to me, but not to everybody.

C (51:48)

Let's go bowling. Let's just go do something and get to know each other and talk.

B (51:53)

You're 25 years older than her. Was any mention made of that gap at that point?

C (51:58)

I had never even asked her age. You know, she held a conversation very well. She's been on her own since she was 18. It was just two people talking. I am a secret to her family. I know that they knew we were dating at one point, and she said, oh, my mom loves you. Of course, her father, being damn near my age, wasn't crazy about it. And she is Daddy's girl, so she didn't want to rock the boat. She just said, we're broken up. And I said, you know what? Whatever. I know it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I get that. But when someone can make you laugh and they really care for you, this world blows by so fast, I'm gonna just overlook certain things.

B (52:44)

I wonder if this thing continues, if there will come a point where she'll have to take you by the hand and bring you to meet dad.

C (52:52)

I've asked her about it, but to

B (52:56)

no avail, because dad must be wondering why his little girl isn't dating.

C (53:01)

Yeah. And her friends know. Her sister knows. I've met her sister as well.

B (53:07)

You say you've been together how long?

C (53:10)

Two and a half years.

B (53:11)

Two and a half years. And unfortunately, come holidays, she heads off with her family and you have to be alone.

C (53:17)

Yep. That's why I love you, Tommy. You're so insightful.

B (53:20)

I just think that's the unfortunate part, is there are these moments when you want to be with her, and you normally would be with her, but you can't. Holidays being one. A birthday. She might get called by her family, hey, come over. And she might want to say, well, I'd like to spend it with my boyfriend. Oh, that's right. I can't tell you I have one. I wonder what would happen if she allowed it to just be rough in the beginning, where her dad's just a little upset. But her dad realizes, as her dad talks to her mother, who likes you, her dad realizes, you know, she's grown, she can make her own choices. Maybe this won't last. But in the meantime, I'm not gonna be a jerk about it.

C (54:01)

I've contemplated myself of just going to her parents house and saying, look, I can't do this anymore. This is who I am.

B (54:08)

I think that's a lovely idea. For multiple reasons. One is the relief of it for you personally, just the relief of the honesty. Two is the possibility that it could advance things and it could be where later you say, why didn't I do that a year ago? Number three is it's just plain honest and real. And you are somebody who she likes and you like her. And you know, this isn't that odd. It's not like she's met an alien or you know, she's 14 with a 60 year old. This isn't that bizarre. And the fact that her mother likes you says that you are in the wheelhouse roughly of what the family considers a normal, healthy human being. So for all of those reasons, I would encourage you to do that. And boy would I love to learn how that went. If you ever do, I tell you

C (55:00)

what, I've been close and if I do do it, I'm assuming I can just text you on this.

B (55:05)

Absolutely. Number yeah, 651-321-8949 indeed. Text me and let me know. And I might even when I get the text, give you a ring. But I would really like to know because I can't think of a reason not to do it. So the only reason not to do it, and there really is just one, and that is it might be a tiny bit uncomfortable. There's your one reason not to set against all the reasons to do it.

C (55:34)

No, you're right. I have nothing to lose.

B (55:37)

You really don't. You really don't. Because say he doesn't want to see you again. Well, you don't see him anyway.

C (55:43)

You're right. The only other thing I can think of is that it really turns her off. Let's say I go forward and do this. How is she going to react?

B (55:51)

Well, say for instance, her reaction is, well, that's it. I don't want to have anything to do with this honest person who was forthright and went to my father with the truth that we like each other and we're spending time together. That's an odd thing to turn someone off. And this balancing act of trying to be daddy's girl and please him continually is just not healthy.

C (56:17)

No, you're exactly right. Plus, you know, this isn't like we see each other once or twice a week. You know, she's always over at my place or having me over to her place. So I agree with you 100%.

B (56:29)

Well, keep me posted on it. What were you gonna say before I

C (56:33)

let you go here?

B (56:34)

Yeah.

C (56:34)

I just want to say thank you. You've been great. Sincerely. I know there's a lot of fans out there, but you're a rare spirit, and I do appreciate it. It's really hard to find characters like you in this world. So many phonies and fakes. So I do sincerely appreciate you.

B (56:51)

Well, thank you. Thank you for that. And I enjoyed. I enjoyed visiting with you, and I hope to talk to you again.

C (56:57)

All right. You take care, Tommy.

B (56:58)

You as well. So long.