MNST: Professor Charles Barkley with a new definition of the word quit

Summary

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Garage Logic — MNST: Professor Charles Barkley with a New Definition of the Word "Quit"

Date: May 26, 2026
Host: Joe Soucheray ("The Mayor")
Co-hosts: Pat, guest contributors
Network: Gamut Podcast Network

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Overview

This episode of Garage Logic centers on sports talk through the signature common-sense, humorous lens of Joe Soucheray and the team. While the focus is primarily on baseball and the NBA/NHL playoffs, the highlight is a discussion about Charles Barkley's brutally honest (and entertaining) halftime commentary on the Cavaliers' lack of effort—a moment which prompts broader reflections on sports punditry, accountability, and the evolution of coaching and playing culture in professional sports. As always, the hosts weave in their observations about Minnesota sports, the decline of traditional print media, the absurdities of modern uniforms and coaching rosters, and a dose of amiable digression into everything from household misadventures to square dancing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Shrinking World of Print Sports News

[01:53-02:25]

• Joe notes the state of the local newspaper: only a few pages are left in the sports section, and half are filled with classified ads.
  • Joe: "Six pages, I thought. Except two and a half are classified..."
• There's shared disappointment in the diminishing coverage of key sports like baseball, due to media downsizing and shifting focus.

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Baseball Chatter: Twins, Brewers, Cardinals, and Standout Players

[02:25-04:27]

• Discussion of pitching phenom Polack for the Brewers:
  • Joe is mesmerized by his speed and command: "He was the one who came up last year and they put him in the all-star game after four starts."
  • Comparison to Aroldis Chapman for his ability to hit triple digits.
• Brief recap of the Twins’ loss to the White Sox and White Sox’s promising young roster, aided by trades.

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NBA Playoffs & Barkley’s Cavs Commentary

[04:28-09:04]

Charles Barkley’s Halftime Rant

[08:01-08:59]

• The team replays a notable Charles Barkley halftime segment where he ruthlessly criticizes the Cavaliers for their apparent lack of effort in their blowout loss:
  • Barkley: “Kids at home, if you want to see what the word quit means... this is just effort here. Come on, man.” ([08:01])
  • The panel delights in Barkley’s trademark humor and candor, noting how rare it is for mainstream sports coverage to be so unvarnished.
• Memorable moment: Barkley inventing the "verb" for quit as "cavalier" ([08:13])

Discussion on Sports Media Culture

• Joe reflects on how Barkley and his TNT colleagues changed sports halftime shows from fawning analyses to straight-shooting, comedic, and sometimes harsh commentary ([09:04]):
  • "It is amazing how this show changed everything as far as how sports are performed. … [Barkley] does it in such a humorous fashion. He can get away with it..."

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Cross-Sport Playoff Updates and Banter

[09:55-14:31]

NBA

• Brief exchange on up-and-coming star (Wemby) Victor Wembanyama, comparing his physique to Hakeem Olajuwon; marvel over his 7’6” height and unorthodox skills ([05:56-06:47])
• Reference to SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander) and NBA flopping.

NHL

• Updates on the Carolina Hurricanes’ playoff performance and history of futility in conference finals ([14:31-15:28]).
• Anecdotes about franchise moves (Hartford Whalers to Carolina) and trivia about old hockey team histories ([20:28-22:21]).

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The Culture and Evolution of Coaching

[27:38-32:27]

Coaching in Different Sports

• Hockey: Still features profane, tough-love rants in the locker room (Torts/Laviolette referenced).
• Basketball and football: Such diatribes are out of vogue; modern pro athletes are less tolerant.
• Baseball: The Minnesota Twins’ staggering 11-13 coaches (depending on definition) leads to playful bewilderment and discussion about the necessity of so many roles ([30:01-31:56]).
  • Pat: "How many coaches [do NBA teams] have now? Does each player have his own coach?" ([30:01])
  • Joe: "11 ... I don't have any idea what he's doing…" ([31:01])

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Uniforms & MLB Modernization

[33:37-36:46]

• Conversation about the proliferation of “City Connect” uniforms in MLB teams:
  • Confusion over non-traditional Red Sox yellow/blue uniforms for Boston Marathon commemoration.
  • Joe: "What does that mean, city connect? What is that?" ([34:33])
• Remarks on the Yankees’ resistance to these trends.

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The Absurdity of Baseball Operations

[36:49-38:08]

• The hosts bemoan MLB’s obsessive disposal of baseballs mid-game, reflecting on how teams in earlier eras would re-use balls for years—even washing them with erasers in old tumblers.
  • Max Moloch anecdote: Legendary for stretching the lifespan of game balls ([37:39-38:08])
  • Joe: “He had some baseballs that were like 12 years old that they were using...”

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Amusing Lifestyle Tangents

Square Dancing & Generational Shifts

[38:47-39:41]

• Reminiscing about pastimes like square dancing and how it’s now mostly the realm of seniors.

Disco Backlash

[40:10-41:39]

• Classic Garage Logic digression into disco’s heyday, referencing the infamous Comiskey Park “Disco Demolition Night.”

Home Misadventures

[44:12-45:49]

• Story of Joe’s confusion over indoor/outdoor water faucets, and previous bungled attempts at flood prevention.
• Pat: “That’s a sign of… You know what? It’s understanding.” Joe: “That’s a sign of me.” ([44:56-44:57])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charles Barkley (Halftime Report, relayed by hosts):
  “Kids at home, if you want to see what the word quit means... this is just effort here. Come on, man.” ([08:01])
• Joe (on Barkley’s style):
  “It is amazing how this show changed everything as far as how sports are performed. I mean, they were the first guys to come out and rip the hell out of [teams]. And he does it in such a humorous fashion.” ([09:04])
• Pat (on modern coaching):
  "How many coaches [do NBA teams] have now? Does each player have his own coach?" ([30:01])
• Joe (on coaching redundancy):
  "What does [a bench coach] do? Say, hey, sit this way? Don't cross your legs like that. It's bad for the circulation." ([33:04])
• Pat (on old-school baseball):
  “They hired kids who’d lose a couple kids and lose their life every year. But these kids would have to go down the bluff… They had to bring back the balls…” ([37:39])
• Joe (on home repairs):
  “You know you’re not married to a domestic guy, right? When he’s in the back of the house thinking he’s turning on the front faucet…” ([44:45])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:28] — Discussion starts on NBA conference finals, Cleveland Cavaliers' lack of effort
• [08:01] — Charles Barkley's halftime rant (audio and discussion)
• [09:04] — Reflections on Barkley’s influence on sports media
• [14:31] — NHL playoff factoids and Carolina history
• [20:28] — Franchise moves: Hartford Whalers to Carolina Hurricanes
• [27:38] — Hockey coaching culture versus the NBA/NFL
• [30:01] — The rise of “coach inflation” in baseball and basketball
• [33:37] — MLB City Connect uniforms debate
• [36:49] — The wastefulness of new baseball operations
• [38:47] — Square dancing and generational culture shifts
• [40:10] — Disco Demolition Night reminiscence
• [44:12] — Home repair follies: the water valve incident

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Tone & Language

The language throughout is casual, irreverent, nostalgic, and often tongue-in-cheek, with the hosts poking fun at themselves, each other, and the changing world of professional sports and home life.

• Joe’s “gumption” and Pat’s dry, observational wit set a tone of seasoned, Midwestern skepticism and affection for old-school values.

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Summary

This episode delivers on the Garage Logic promise: laughter, perspective, and a no-nonsense appraisal of the dizzying changes in sports culture, whether it’s Barkley calling out the Cavaliers for “quitting,” unraveling the logic of MLB’s ever-changing uniforms and endless coaching staff, or reminiscing about when square dancing and keeping baseballs for years were the norm. Anyone missing the old-school, practical, and often irreverent lens on sports and life will find plenty to enjoy—and plenty of laughs—here.

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Transcript

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[Joe]

Everybody talked about it since I first moved to Oregon. The big one. The earthquake that trashed the whole West Coast. Total destruction. Officially calling it the largest natural disaster in American history. I just didn't know what would help me next. So I took it all. Even the gun. It was time. Cello American Afterlife presented by Pair of Thieves, the number one fiction and drama podcast in America. Listen wherever you get your favorite podcasts available now. He said, hey, oh, I'll mention this. So I was shocked to pick up the Star Tribune sports section.

[Pat]

Print today.

[Joe]

Six pages, I thought. Except two and a half of them are classified

[Pat]

Public notices.

[Joe]

Yes, public notices we love. So the.

[Pat]

Wait a minute. It's a two page sports section. Oh no, there's three. There's one in the back and there's four.

[Joe]

Four pages. But well, no, because one of the pages that's one of the four pages is also half classified ad. So it's three.

[Pat]

Did you want any baseball scores?

[Joe]

I think the Twins. I think the Twins game made it.

[Pat]

Well, it did 3 to 1. White Sox.

[Guest or Co-host]

Wasn't it over at about 3:30?

[Joe]

White Sox, I hate to report, they're better. They got some young guys. They got some. They've all rottenness allowed them to get some young fellows.

[Guest or Co-host]

Plus they've made some decent trades too. When they traded Crochet to Boston and they traded that other guy, they got some decent returns.

[Joe]

Joe?

[Pat]

Yes?

[Joe]

Have you seen this? Polack for the Brewers. Have you seen this?

[Pat]

Is he the sidearm guy?

[Joe]

No, no, over the top.

[Guest or Co-host]

He's about 6, 10, 102.

[Joe]

And then he, then he has to Speed it up a little once in a while. Mr. Rosky, even by Polish names, he throws a couple of extra vowels in there. It's impossible to spell. I saw him yesterday, seven innings. They hit four foul balls. It was unbelievable. God almighty.

[Pat]

So he's good.

[Joe]

He was the one who came up last year and they put him in the all star game after four starts.

[Pat]

Yes.

[Joe]

Everybody went crazy. Well, guess what? He was. He got. Didn't he get shut down for a while last year?

[Guest or Co-host]

He was on a pit at an innings count or something.

[Joe]

Some little tweak. But he's back this year.

[Pat]

Did he beat the Cardinals?

[Joe]

Oh God, they had no chance. Five to one he went seven. He gave up one run. I don't know. I missed him giving up the run. But it's unbelievable. He is just gas. But the thing about the gas is it's 101 is like get it over fastball. That's, you know, that's. And then once in a while he's eh, I better speed this up a little bit.

[Guest or Co-host]

He's a right handed version almost of when Aroldis first came up.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

Where he could reach back and get

[Joe]

103 if he needed him starting. Yeah. And it's, it's fantastic.

[Pat]

I did not watch.

[Joe]

Oh, excuse me.

[Pat]

Oh, you go ahead.

[Joe]

No, I said he didn't pitch. When they were here for three games.

[Pat]

I did not watch the NBA Finals. I mean the conference finals saw the end of a few games. Why am I reading now that Cleveland was disgusting?

[Joe]

Well, they got blown out.

[Pat]

No, I know they were swept, but did they not try?

[Guest or Co-host]

Oh no.

[Pat]

Barkley played these guys well last night.

[Joe]

You know, you get all the fun. You know, the coach, Kenny Atkinson, who's got no chance to be back next year, saying, you know, we, you know, we're in. We're all in on this game. We know the odds are against us and the team's all fired up. And then they came out and it was what, 30 to 10 or something like that. I mean it was the Knicks to 16 and late in the third and everybody. I turned it off when they cut it to six. I saw they cut it to 16, went back and watched the hockey for 10 minutes, five minutes maybe.

[Guest or Co-host]

Something like that. Yeah.

[Joe]

Turned it back was 84 to 49.

[Guest or Co-host]

The stat was the Knicks have the fourth largest point differential in playoff history. Something like that. That's how badly they outscored their opponent so far.

[Joe]

Yeah. I don't know how Cleveland beat Detroit, but man alive, they were terrible.

[Pat]

Where is the other series stand 2 2. It's a good series, so all the Knicks can rest.

[Joe]

It's great. I called Jim Pete today to talk about Wemby. He's the tall guys, you know, And I said, Wemby and Akeem. He said Hakeem was 6:10. He said. He said they listened him at 7. I. Pete played with him and he said he's 6:10. He's the same height as I am. This guy's 7:7. He said 7:4 is way underneath it. 7:6 is probably it, but it could be 7:7. He said, and what a. I mean, when you see a guy 7 1/2ft tall handling the ball, there's something wrong with the world. We're getting the mean.

[Pat]

He can do stuff.

[Joe]

The geometry is not going to work.

[Pat]

He can dribble and everything.

[Joe]

Did you see the one he threw in at halftime?

[Pat]

Yeah, he made it.

[Joe]

He's apparently made seven out of eight of those this year or something. He basically told him, let me shoot this thing.

[Guest or Co-host]

I got to play this for you. So, Pat, you obviously missed it.

[Joe]

Charles.

[Guest or Co-host]

This was Charles last night. Ripping. Ripping the effort from the Cleveland Cavaliers,

[Joe]

calling me for when I'm on the God damn radio.

[Guest or Co-host]

The game of flaws on full display.

[Pat]

Maybe she's trapped in the bushes.

[Joe]

Well, that's her. She hurt. Somebody told her about me telling the story.

[Pat]

By the way, that didn't help. Where are you, honey? I can't see it.

[Joe]

It's been bad.

[Pat]

All you saw were the toes of her shoes.

[Joe]

Who ratted me out?

[Pat]

Not ratted.

[Joe]

I don't know who ratted me out.

[Guest or Co-host]

Sir Toe. Joel. Terrible.

[Joe]

He told her. You're making fun of the wife.

[Pat]

Oh, no.

[Guest or Co-host]

You know that's supposed to be off limits.

[Joe]

Yes, it is. It is.

[Guest or Co-host]

All right, here's Sir Charles on the effort level for the Cleveland Cavaliers starting tonight.

[Pat]

Chuck has requested special time to begin the halftime report.

[Joe]

Special time. Yeah, Kids at home, if you want

[Pat]

to see what the word quit.

[Joe]

Oh, come on, Chuck. To give the verb for that is cavalier.

[Pat]

This is what you see. You think they quit or the Knicks are just that good, right? No, they have. They were down 29. Kenny, Kenny, look. This is just effort here. Come on, man. This is just effort.

[Joe]

Look at this here.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah, you couldn't.

[Joe]

You shouldn't be spreading. No, no.

[Pat]

Watch this here. I got a little thing here. Look here. Come on, Kim.

[Joe]

Yeah, there was way, way

[Pat]

fast. Break points, 26 to 3. Come on, man.

[Joe]

Yeah. No, no. Yeah. Okay, okay. We got some more now. No, no, they didn't beat him down a quarter. They showing deep him down the court.

[Pat]

Oh, my God.

[Joe]

Oh, my.

[Pat]

Are we sure it's only 26? The verb in that is cavalier.

[Guest or Co-host]

And that's why he makes $100 billion a year right there.

[Joe]

It is amazing how this show changed everything as far as how sports are performed. I mean, they were the first guys to come out and rip the hell out of me. And he does it in such a humorous fashion. He can get away with it. But other. Other sports are having a hard time getting there and they.

[Guest or Co-host]

Well, they're all trying to replicate it is the problem.

[Joe]

Whenever you watch an NFL game, it's still all fawning. You know, they don't half time. They don't rip anybody or anything.

[Guest or Co-host]

Fox kind of tried to do this.

[Joe]

Don't have a Barkley. Yes, that's true.

[Guest or Co-host]

Well, that's what I was gonna say. Fox tried to do with baseball by having Poppy and a rod and those guys on there. But it's. You're never gonna create that kind of chemistry.

[Pat]

Plus, he's just a really interesting human being.

[Joe]

Oh, yes.

[Pat]

Just an interesting guy.

[Joe]

He's skinny again because he's taking that. He's getting paid a ton by that drug, too. Oh, but no, it was something like that. It's not Ozempic, but it's the same thing. And so he's kidding. But he'll put her back on the next. I mean, he's gone up and down more than anybody I've ever seen.

[Guest or Co-host]

After I played the clip for you on Friday, I had to watch the entire 25 minute reel of Barkley ripping the big old girls from San Antonio. I had it going on in here

[Joe]

while I was doing fields. I bet he's. I bet he just bite his tongue that he can't do that.

[Pat]

He has a guy who does a podcast who does it. Sean Avery. I'm thinking of. Oh, maybe former Ranger.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Pat]

And I've been alerted to a few of his podcasts and he. He's funny. He calls it as he sees it. Okay. But they don't have any TV presence like Barkley.

[Guest or Co-host]

Didn't he also get into trouble, though? He was talking about certain players. Girlfriends.

[Pat]

He's all over the map.

[Guest or Co-host]

I thought.

[Joe]

I thought that was. Yeah, yeah. I don't think Charles is going to bring up girlfriends.

[Guest or Co-host]

No, I don't think so either.

[Joe]

That might have been a flaw in his. In his.

[Guest or Co-host]

You know, man, I wanted to go to the bar.

[Joe]

I think. I think the one when he was my favorite was in Milwaukee. He's walking in the skyway after the game and he's got a gal with him. And this guy comes up and says, you know, it's kind of like in a kind of a threatening manner. And Charles just dropped him. Just dropped. You know, he came up and he was gonna be a smart ass Milwaukee fan. Then he had to go to court and they acquitted him.

[Guest or Co-host]

Oh, that's right.

[Joe]

I remember that.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yes, I do remember that. Well, that was the whole campaign there. He says, I am not a role model. Wasn't that the whole bit? Yeah, that was the whole bit from that.

[Joe]

Yeah. Well, anyway, I love him.

[Guest or Co-host]

Oh, he's great.

[Joe]

It's a great series. It really is. But you know what they did, though, Torico, who's the best ever, I think, don't you? He's pretty damn good. Every sport. He can do every sport. And they've been ripping the game a little of the spurs, but they showed three or four SGA's, flops. And talk about it, you know, they're not hiding the idea that.

[Guest or Co-host]

Well, it's him, Reggie Miller and is it Van Gundy who's on with them?

[Joe]

Oh, not Van Gundy.

[Guest or Co-host]

It's whoever that three.

[Joe]

Crawford. Is that.

[Guest or Co-host]

Oh, yeah, it's. You're right, it's Crawford.

[Joe]

That's Timberwolf.

[Guest or Co-host]

That's right.

[Joe]

Who doesn't get a word in edgewise. But he's okay.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Once in a while when he said,

[Guest or Co-host]

but I like that group. I think that's. Yeah, that's a good crew, you know,

[Joe]

And I think Tariko could do hockey if you asked him.

[Guest or Co-host]

Well, he went from.

[Pat]

He has. Did he do the Olympics?

[Joe]

Did he do the Olympics?

[Guest or Co-host]

Oh, Pat, you're right.

[Joe]

He did the gold medal.

[Guest or Co-host]

Because that just shows you right there. He did. In a span of a month, he did the Olympics. He did the Super Bowl. And I'm thinking. What? There was something else he did too. All within the span of like 30 days. It was very impressive.

[Joe]

How do you do? Hi. If you didn't grow up with it. How do you do hockey? I don't know how you do it.

[Pat]

I still miss Doc Emery.

[Joe]

Oh, God. Yeah, Doc was good, but we all

[Pat]

miss Al and my Canadians. I have a sinking feeling, really, they aren't very good. They're not as good as Carolina.

[Joe]

They somehow they look like they might win another one of those games with nine shots for a while last night.

[Pat]

And then they had to go straight over.

[Joe]

What do you think of the goal I took away? That should have been taken away, You Think so.

[Pat]

That was clearly offsides.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah, it was offside.

[Guest or Co-host]

How about your Colorado athletes? Avalanche, by the way.

[Pat]

I can't understand it, except McKinnon's not playing up to speed. Neither is Makar.

[Joe]

Not McCarr came back. But. But 3o lead after one and you get beat. That ain't a good way to go out, man. Vegas. But how about Torts Torch, who won his one cup in 2004?

[Pat]

With what? Tampa.

[Joe]

Tampa?

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He's home.

[Pat]

He's.

[Joe]

That might have been the worst final ever. Judd was telling me how rotten that final was. Tampa. And somebody, I don't know who, but. And you know, he was at home, hired him for the last eight games of the year in the playoffs. They knew they were going to make the playoffs. What are they going to do now? Give him 5 million to come back or what?

[Pat]

I don't know.

[Joe]

They're going to win it. I mean, they're going to win the title. They're going to beat Carolina. Outline it, don't you think? I hope they beat Carolina. I can take Vegas having two Stanley Cups because it's kind of the thing. But they have two Stanley Cups in North Carolina and five in Florida.

[Pat]

Just prior to last night. Prior to last night, I think the stat was the Carolinas won the cup in, oh, six. Since then, they have been one in 17 in conference final games.

[Joe]

Really? Until.

[Pat]

Well, last night they won.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pat]

So the one might have been the

[Joe]

first 17 because it didn't. Did this make it 2 to 1? I thought I made it 3 to 2.

[Pat]

This makes it 2 1. Carolina. They came to Montreal 1 1.

[Joe]

This was only the third game.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay. All right. So they got swept a lot then.

[Pat]

Apparently. You Reavers, maybe you want to look that up.

[Guest or Co-host]

I'm gonna do it right now. I'm gonna do it right now.

[Joe]

It's kind of.

[Guest or Co-host]

Carolina is up two games to one.

[Joe]

I knew that.

[Guest or Co-host]

Okay. Oh, that. I thought you. That's what you're asking.

[Joe]

Carolina Panthers record in conference playoffs. Okay, I can do this 2004.

[Guest or Co-host]

All right, Joe, if you want to do one of those while I look that up, you can.

[Pat]

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[Guest or Co-host]

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[Pat]

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[Joe]

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[Pat]

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[Joe]

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[Pat]

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[Guest or Co-host]

So as you mentioned. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Joe]

Say something.

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[Joe]

Go ahead. Remember Joe, 30 years ago when somebody told you they bought a truck? Yeah. Knew what they were talking about.

[Pat]

Yep.

[Guest or Co-host]

He outfitted it. Yes.

[Pat]

They've got so many different kind of trucks, it's unbelievable.

[Joe]

And, well, it's good variety.

[Guest or Co-host]

That's right. Here you go. Okay, so I know what stat you read. So in 02, they obviously defeated the Maple Leafs, advanced the cup finals and lost 06. Defeated Buffalo, advanced Stanley cup finals and won the Cup.

[Pat]

Who'd they beat in 06?

[Guest or Co-host]

I can look that up in a second. In 2019, they were swept by the Bruins.

[Pat]

That's 0 and 4.

[Guest or Co-host]

Swept by the Panthers in 23.

[Pat]

Oh, and 8.

[Guest or Co-host]

And then they are 1 and 2 against the Canadiens. So last night was their first victory since 2006. So they're 1 in 16 or no. Excuse me. They're 1 in 1 in 10 since then.

[Pat]

Well, then, what did I read? I wonder.

[Guest or Co-host]

I'm not sure. But this was their first victory since 2006.

[Pat]

Yeah. No, no. The other night was their first victory. Last night they won again.

[Joe]

They won.

[Pat]

They won in overtime in Carolina to even the series. And they moved to Montreal for last night's game and they won that.

[Guest or Co-host]

How was the viewing party in Montreal?

[Pat]

Crowded.

[Joe]

I bet it was out on the street outside with you people. Stay home and watch the game. Go to the bar.

[Guest or Co-host]

Anyway, I will look up who the.

[Joe]

I gotta. I gotta go off sports for a minute and ask you something.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Joe]

As a American. Oh, a man who believes in America.

[Pat]

Yes.

[Joe]

What do you think of these two parties going into states and changing the geography to get. This is. This is not democracy, ladies and gentlemen. You cannot do that. You gotta have. You can only do it every 10 years. What the hell is going on?

[Pat]

Well, the better question is why does everybody do what this guy tells them to?

[Joe]

Well, yeah, but then the Democrats.

[Pat]

Democrats do it, too.

[Joe]

They're doing it, too. It's ridiculous.

[Pat]

Because they love that life on the third rail and they don't want to lose their power.

[Joe]

Well, but you can't do this. Somewhere there's a document that says you can only do it every 10 years, and all of a sudden they can do it tomorrow because, you know, it's the damnedest thing I've ever seen.

[Pat]

And it's. It's. Well, I don't even know where to go anymore, Pat. I'm at the two plus two equals five part of life.

[Joe]

Well, that is it. That is it. I first saw this and said, well, this isn't going to work. Somebody's going to. Some court's going to say, you can't do this.

[Pat]

But so far they haven't done that.

[Joe]

No.

[Pat]

No.

[Joe]

Then. Anyway, back to sports.

[Guest or Co-host]

They beat Edmonton, by the way.

[Joe]

The 06. Yes. Really?

[Guest or Co-host]

They beat Edmonton in the final.

[Joe]

How many games?

[Guest or Co-host]

It was four to three.

[Joe]

Two traditional hockey towns.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yes.

[Joe]

North Carolina and Edmonton. Right.

[Pat]

Well, I'll give Edmonton more credibility than Raleigh, North Carolina. Although I played in the NHL, that's the team I'd want to play for.

[Joe]

Carolina, though, is not an expansion team. It's the Har.

[Pat]

They were the Hartford Whalers.

[Joe]

Yes. They've been down there alongside probably 40 years. When did the Hartford Whalers move to Raleigh?

[Guest or Co-host]

It was seven games just to. I wanted to verify. When did Hudo.

[Joe]

Who.

[Pat]

Throwing a lot of questions at you. That's okay.

[Joe]

When did they move to Raleigh?

[Guest or Co-host]

Hartford Whalers.

[Joe]

I like.

[Guest or Co-host]

They had the great logo, too.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pat]

But so did the hurricane. They got. Now the. The storm warning flags on their jersey. I think that's cool. I like it.

[Guest or Co-host]

The Hartford Whalers were a professional hockey team based.

[Pat]

We know that.

[Guest or Co-host]

1979 to 1997.

[Joe]

And they were one of the wha. Survivors for some reason. Yeah. I don't know why?

[Pat]

Well, because of Gordie. Ow. They.

[Joe]

That's right.

[Pat]

They. They moved to Raleigh for the 98 season.

[Guest or Co-host]

For the 98 season, yes.

[Pat]

So that's 22. That's 28 years.

[Joe]

Yeah, 28 years. I think one of my lowest moments as a columnist, and there's been a few, was when I went to the Civic center and saw Gordy played for the Whalers and wrote get that old SOB off the ice. He's terr.

[Pat]

Well, that'd be tough to write that.

[Joe]

Yeah. Right. Well, he's 48 then. Yeah. For playing with his kid brothers. But he's ambling.

[Pat]

No, that's kid brothers. His kids.

[Joe]

Kids. That's what I mean, his kids. Unbelievable.

[Pat]

You remember when the goal.

[Joe]

Marty was good, right? Yeah.

[Pat]

You remember when the goal used to have a pointed base of metal in the middle of it?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Pat]

Well, it was because of one of Howe's kids. Damn near killed himself, disemboweled himself on that thing. That they changed the design of the nets.

[Joe]

It's incredible how long it took the NHL to give any credence to safety at all.

[Pat]

The metal were in with iron pipes, so if you ran into the net, you died. Or

[Joe]

there goes your cad, you know, your leg, your broken leg, you'll never play again. They resisted helmets and. Yes. And the goalies didn't wear masks.

[Pat]

No.

[Joe]

It's unbelievable.

[Pat]

Jacques Plante was the first guy to wear a mask, and that was in the early 60s.

[Joe]

And remember what the old timer. What a bunch of sissies. These guys are wearing helmets.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What are they doing wearing helmets, for God's sakes? It's unbelievable.

[Guest or Co-host]

Kill, kill, kill.

[Pat]

This is hockey. But compared to other sports, they still will play more hurt than anybody else. They'll get sewn up.

[Joe]

Yeah, they will.

[Pat]

Eyeballs are falling out.

[Joe]

Right. I mean, they will go. I mean, McKinnon damn near got killed.

[Pat]

89 mile an hour, slap shot. Hit him where there weren't no pads.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Pat]

And he went.

[Joe]

Oh, man, that hurts. Two shifts later.

[Pat]

Yeah. He was not himself, though.

[Joe]

No, he was.

[Pat]

I don't think he did about a 10 second shift. And said, oh, I'm getting back to the bench.

[Joe]

I don't think he's been the same since.

[Pat]

But I just don't even like the whole concept of the Vegas. I just. I can't get there.

[Joe]

I can't get there. I know, but it's.

[Pat]

You know, they've been in the business since 2017. They've already had more Laudits than the Wild in the state of Hawkins.

[Joe]

Yes, that's true. But then again, the Avalanche, although they

[Pat]

had a team early, they were the Quebec Nordics.

[Joe]

Yes. But they were the.

[Pat]

They were also Kansas City Scouts. Became the Colorado Rockies, lasted one year.

[Joe]

Right.

[Pat]

Then went to New Jersey to become the Devils. Then the Quebec Nordiques, after a while,

[Joe]

moved to Colorado, and then they moved there, and lo and behold, seven months later, Colorado won the cup after having the.

[Pat]

Joe Sakic is now their gm.

[Joe]

Yes. I told you last week that I was having fun with the. I've always rooted for Colorado because they had this long wait from a October of 1999 to May of 2000 before they won a Cup. Meanwhile, we have been waiting since 67.

[Pat]

I've watched more playoffs this year than any other year. Now I'm watching them precisely to try to figure out who is it the Wild continue to need? Who do they still need? What guys do they. What kind of guys do they still need?

[Joe]

All the geniuses say first line center, but can't EK Be your first line center? Yes. And then have somebody else be on the second line. That's kind of my. They like Caprice off with Zuk, though, for some reason, right? Yeah. And Zook's 38, so I think you gotta think about moving him out of there pretty soon.

[Pat]

Some of our lesser guys are lesser than the lesser guys on Colorado.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Get what I'm trying to say.

[Joe]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Pat]

Because your theory is you got five superstars in each team and the rest are bodies.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Pat]

Okay. That's not my theory. That's not my theory.

[Joe]

Yeah, their lower lines were better.

[Pat]

I. I thought maybe the key to the cup is your. Your third and fourth line. Have to be the first and second line for a lot of teams. You know what?

[Joe]

The ABs got a goaltending. Yeah.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

No matter which wood they put in

[Pat]

there, they got a lot of wood.

[Joe]

Easter black. I'd rather have both our guys than their guys. So I don't know.

[Pat]

And everybody said, oh, man, the Wild could beat the. The Vegas Knights. I'm not sure.

[Joe]

Well, Vegas is mean. They're big and me, they're big.

[Pat]

And mean.

[Joe]

Yeah, they are. And they got torts.

[Pat]

It was a complete nutcase.

[Joe]

I gotta go back someday and find that documentary, Torts vs. Lavallette in a swearing contest. It's telling him. The other thing is, do you think other coaches and other sports tell, profanely tell their team how rotten they were? I'm not sure if it's as popular as it was, but hockey still does it. The coach coming in and telling you what a bunch of gutless bums you are. I don't. I don't. I don't even get away with that in the NBA. The fellows will just say, how the hell with it. We're not doing it tonight.

[Pat]

I don't see it happening in football, do you?

[Joe]

Well, not. Those guys are probably gone. Yeah. Because they gotta. They gotta get along with their team for the whole year, you know?

[Pat]

But Billy Martin probably did it.

[Joe]

Oh, God. Yes. Yes.

[Pat]

I don't know if Mark did. Do you think he did?

[Joe]

No, he just walked around.

[Pat]

It tipped over a food table walked around and turned red.

[Joe]

When he would go in the clubhouse after a particularly bitter loss, he'd be making the laps. He'd be making the laps and all the players were still sitting at their lockers. There's the famous story about. I didn't see it, but I heard about it, that the food was sitting there. The post game food.

[Pat]

This is the one I heard.

[Joe]

Chris sat there in the middle of the table and it. And Gene was doing laps. Doing laps, waiting, rubbing his hair, waiting for somebody. And somebody gets up and goes to the food table. And Gene looks and it's crew. So he goes back. He goes back into the. Now, he did, allegedly. Mike Torres pitching for Montreal. He did. I guess he screwed up the game and then he went for the food a little early and Gene dumped the soup on him. Supposedly. I don't know what kind of soup was, how hot it was, but he did dump the soup on him. Which he couldn't get away with today. No. Now Shelton. I can't see him. Royce. Yeah. Dump the soup. How about Royce? They can't get him out in St. Paul. Four homers.

[Pat]

Can I tell you another problem with the NBA?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Pat]

How many coaches they have now? Does each player have his own coach?

[Joe]

Damn near. They got.

[Pat]

I think they're costing the owners money. There's no place to sit.

[Joe]

6 and last year, but I think that was, like, low by the league standards. I don't know. Why?

[Pat]

What. What do they do?

[Joe]

I don't know. I mean, even if you got a Bunch of guys back looking at tape and doing stuff. What are they sitting there for?

[Pat]

They're. They're taking up all the good seats.

[Joe]

Right. It's crowded there. You know, it's. It is. Although you know how many coaches Shelty has now?

[Pat]

You told me. Too many.

[Joe]

11.

[Pat]

That's not. It's.

[Joe]

It's not real. I think it's 11. It. Because they added Toby. Toby was over in St. Paul for like years. And Toby was sick of St. Paul, so they just made him the sick of St. Paul coach.

[Pat]

He's there.

[Joe]

I don't have any idea what he's doing, but yeah, I got it here

[Guest or Co-host]

in front of me. Are we including Shel or are we not including? Okay, well, we got the bench coach.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Guest or Co-host]

One assistant bench and an assistant bench coach. Hitting coach, two assistant hitting coaches.

[Joe]

How many are we up to there?

[Pat]

We have five.

[Guest or Co-host]

Pitching coach, Pete Mackey, assistant pitching coach, slash interpreter.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Guest or Co-host]

First base coach, third base coach, bullpen coach.

[Pat]

10.

[Guest or Co-host]

I already mentioned the assistant bench coach, Major league field coordinator Toby Gardenhire. That's 11 bullpen catcher and 12 assistant bullpen catcher.

[Joe]

13. They're out in the bullpen. They aren't in the dugout.

[Guest or Co-host]

Oh, we don't count the two in the bullpen.

[Joe]

They're just warming pictures.

[Pat]

I don't care. That's 13.

[Joe]

Thirteen. But they're, you know, they're warming up.

[Pat]

I don't care if they're in the next county. That's 13.

[Joe]

That's right. The bullpen coach. You know, the twins.

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[Joe]

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[Pat]

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[Joe]

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[Pat]

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

The Twins did travel a bullpen coach back when they had three somebody to catch, but they didn't travel any bull. They travel bullpen pitcher. At least one too. I think maybe two.

[Pat]

Can you tell me something?

[Joe]

What?

[Pat]

What does a Bench coach do? Because then I really want to know what the assistant bench coach does.

[Joe]

You know, Think we should steal here?

[Guest or Co-host]

No. Remember when you first told Joe years ago that the Twins had a bench coach and he had a tirade? He said, yeah. What does he do? Say, hey, sit this way.

[Pat]

Don't cross your legs like that. It's bad for the circulation.

[Joe]

I have no idea. But everything is, you know, looking at video. But do you need that? You get this doesn't count the 20 guys upstairs that they have watching video.

[Pat]

I have another question about baseball. What's with these Red Sox uniforms? Those aren't their colors both days. Yellow. What is yellow? That's not Boston.

[Guest or Co-host]

No, it's the. Remember the whole Boston Strong thing after the marathon deal. Because those are the colors of the marathon.

[Joe]

That's why I think in three games they ever wore. Wore Red Sox uniforms this year.

[Pat]

I don't think so.

[Joe]

Another one that's.

[Pat]

We did. The Twins did some gray striped pants on Friday.

[Joe]

They had a different color, a real. The City Connect.

[Guest or Co-host]

City Connect?

[Joe]

Yes. And then they had the yellow ones the next day.

[Guest or Co-host]

That's for. Yeah. The marathon colors.

[Joe]

I love the Red Sox uniform.

[Pat]

Me, too, But I've never seen it.

[Joe]

Yeah. Not lately.

[Pat]

Hardly ever see it.

[Joe]

That's not a very good Red Sox team.

[Pat]

Do the Yankees fall for this? This bs?

[Joe]

No.

[Guest or Co-host]

No.

[Joe]

And wants to know, do they even have a city connect? I doubt if they do.

[Pat]

What does that mean, city connect? What is that?

[Joe]

They call it the City connect. That's why you have. You know what? Who was it? Who'd they play that the other day?

[Guest or Co-host]

The Twins.

[Joe]

City connect said. What? What was it? Was it.

[Pat]

Where'd the road trip start In Boston. Are they ever having the Twins have another home game this year?

[Joe]

The Whitey? No, not last night. Yeah, they're gonna. They're off 10 days, they're back so.

[Guest or Co-host]

Well, they were home against the Astros and then the brewers and Marlins before that.

[Joe]

Something.

[Guest or Co-host]

Were they at Cleveland?

[Joe]

There's something the other day, I must have just seen it, and it was like the first five letters of a town's name.

[Guest or Co-host]

Oh, was it Houston, Hou.

[Pat]

Or Cleave?

[Joe]

No, the Cleaves. I can take Cleave. But it was. There was. Okay. I got a.

[Pat]

You know, these lads are in playoff contention. The Twins.

[Joe]

Yes, they are. In fact, if they started today or not, as of yesterday, both the Twins and the Whiteies were in the playoffs.

[Guest or Co-host]

Wow.

[Pat]

Who's this kid that hits the home runs for the White Sox?

[Joe]

Japanese lady. Yeah. And and he's done well. And what I do.

[Pat]

He's leading a league at home runs.

[Joe]

Yes. Yes, yes. Okay, Before. By the next time I talk to you, I'll know what that stupid City Connect was. It's like, woof. So what the hell was it?

[Guest or Co-host]

Was it Washington when they're playing the Nationals?

[Joe]

No, maybe it wasn't us. Maybe it was some other team I was watching. Okay.

[Pat]

The Twins have City Connect.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Pat]

With a horrible color.

[Guest or Co-host]

Blue and yellow cap.

[Joe]

Does it say on the front?

[Guest or Co-host]

It's just a logo, isn't it? It's like a. Like almost. You know what? I thought it was a playoff of the star from the new flag. That's what it kind of looks like on the front of the uniform.

[Joe]

I don't think you can blame the Poleheads for that. They want to promote the new flag that much.

[Pat]

No, I don't think so.

[Guest or Co-host]

I don't know. I don't know what.

[Pat]

It's that new flag fly at the ballpark. I bet it does.

[Joe]

You know what? I. We talked about this last week, and I think baseball could forget about the whole salary cap because they'd have plenty of money if they just stopped throwing baseballs away. If they just. After my.

[Pat]

I wonder every time I watch a

[Joe]

game from using a dozen to using 300.

[Pat]

Yep.

[Joe]

What the hell? It hit the ground. So what?

[Pat]

Well, here's the folly of it.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Pat]

The ball. It's put in play is returned to the pitcher.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Pat]

That's been hit hard. It's got dirt on it. It's got.

[Joe]

It's not. The other day I saw him take one out because it's like skidding on the ground or something.

[Pat]

Oh, this is. Can we just use one ball? Yes.

[Joe]

Yeah. We need Calvin back. Calvin would not have come up with this.

[Pat]

Remember Max Moeller?

[Joe]

Max Moloch?

[Pat]

Moloch, yeah. He had kids in St. Mary's because they played on a bluff.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Pat]

And he hired kids who. He'd lose a couple of kids and lose their life every year. But these kids would have to go down the bluff sometimes. You never saw them again. But they. They had to bring back the balls. And they went in a washing machine that. That Max filled with erasers.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Pat]

And they tumbled there, cleaned. And that he wouldn't waste a ball. Not like these people.

[Joe]

I think after you did it. I did a Max column a few years later. Max was still coaching, and he had some baseballs that were like 12 years old that they were using. He would never. And I was trying to interview him during Baseball during batting practice? No chance. Because he was eyeballing.

[Pat]

That's all he cared about.

[Joe]

All he cared. You know, they were really good at one time, but they got batting. But their baseball stock was filter.

[Pat]

Okay. What was Max?

[Joe]

He was a great player.

[Pat]

By the way, what was Max and his wife's pastime? A little trivia question for you.

[Joe]

I can't answer.

[Pat]

Square dancing.

[Joe]

Oh, really? Yes. I bet there isn't a square dancer left in the mia.

[Pat]

Probably not.

[Joe]

Do they still. There's still clubs.

[Pat]

There's still. You can still. You get it.

[Guest or Co-host]

Well, I know that there's. I found.

[Joe]

Where were we?

[Guest or Co-host]

No, but there was a channel where. You know, one of those public access channels, and they had a square dance going on. Yeah.

[Pat]

They're wonderful.

[Joe]

Yes. How much alcohol do you need? Oh, my God.

[Guest or Co-host]

Well, I think I have a couple times, but the.

[Joe]

At a wedding.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yes. The average age of this particular video we were watching, I believe the average age of the dancer was probably around 68. That would be my guess.

[Pat]

It's not really a young person's deal.

[Guest or Co-host]

No, it is not.

[Joe]

I would say the average age of your square dancer right now is a little older than us.

[Pat]

I think so.

[Joe]

Not much, but a little older than us.

[Pat]

What else we got?

[Joe]

It takes an athlete, though, to do it.

[Pat]

Oh, you got to be good.

[Joe]

I did text my granddaughter the other day. She's 17 now, and told her, you got to watch the first 10 minutes of Saturday Night Fever to see how people were dancing in the late 70s. You'll be very amused by the hijinks that they went through. To call it.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah, right.

[Joe]

To call it dancing. I went to a few discos on the road, only to drink and watch, I'll tell you. But it was back, back. That was a. You know, my beat years were 74 to 78. That was three of those years. When did disco start? 70?

[Pat]

Well, you caught the, you know, the explosion of Comiskey, and. And that's the way I felt about disco.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Pat]

Blow up the field. Boy.

[Joe]

When you watch that again. When you watch that again. I talked back about it, you know, about five different times, just to hear this story again, because he thought. But you know, people. He said, when they told me they were climbing up the side of the walls to get in the stadium because we were sold out, I knew I was in trouble. He couldn't cancel it.

[Pat]

Remember the scene in Caddyshack where Bill Murray skulks away when the explosion started going off? It had to be Vec. Cowering somewhere under the stadium.

[Joe]

Well, you know, watch the tape though for like they blow them up and nothing happens for about a two minutes and then 10 guys jump out on the field and then 10 more and two minutes later there's 10,000 of them out there tearing everything up. Oh, God. What Unbelievable.

[Pat]

Now that was that against the Twins? No, no, it was not.

[Joe]

But they had to forfeit the, the second game, right? Yeah.

[Pat]

They had no field.

[Joe]

Yeah. They said the groundskeeper, how long is it going to take? He said, well, we need, we need a new field. So it's going to take quite some time.

[Pat]

Right.

[Joe]

It was unbelievable. The only thing to match it, not match it, to rival it was. Was it 10 cent beer night in Cleveland? Oh, yeah, yeah. They destroyed the place. I think they made the. I think they made the tribe forfeit that game too.

[Pat]

The only thing that could possibly equal the new truck you bring home from Rosedale Chevrolet is to drive it on a new garage floor put in by installed building solutions. The epoxy floor I got first generation mine's. I think it's safe to say it's pretty well shot.

[Joe]

But you're gonna go again.

[Pat]

Well, they use the newest technology. It's called polyure and it doesn't crack, it doesn't fade. And here's the best part for guys like you and me, non skid, they can put the non skidding in there so you don't go down in the slush. And you can clean up the slush. You can clean up anything that's on those garage floors. They're easy to clean, easy to maintain, and the finish stays bright and clean looking. It doesn't yellow throughout time. It just looks better, it feels better, it's cleaner, brighter and more finished. Every time you walk in there, you feel great about it. It's installed building solutions and they've got the current generation, the best epoxy floors. Mine's 18 years old and the stuff has really changed. I don't think they. We'd have to ask them. Okay, I will get a hold. Just go to ibscoding.com ibscoding.com or if you want to call installed building solutions at 612-282-8578.

[Joe]

I could use one of those.

[Pat]

You have the epoxy floor, I think. But you like me, you might have

[Joe]

first generation, a few cracks in it.

[Pat]

Yeah, well, that's. These guys don't crack. They don't. This stuff is the newest, the newest stuff on the market.

[Joe]

Right.

[Pat]

And it works.

[Joe]

If you had that on your steps, your Wife wouldn't wind up in the bushes since she already heard about it. What the hell she already heard?

[Pat]

Did you ever get the front water on?

[Joe]

Well, I told you. What we then discovered was we were trying to turn on the back water. Right. Changing it. If we would have only done the front water first time, it would have been fine. But you know. You know, you're not married to a domestic guy, right? When he thinks. When he's in the back of the house thinking he's turning on the front faucet, that's not.

[Pat]

That's a bad sign.

[Joe]

That's a bad sign.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yes. And I. Every year I've turned him on, but how did I forget which was which?

[Pat]

That's a sign of it. You know what? It's understanding.

[Joe]

That's a sign of me.

[Pat]

I mean, you're the same guy that tried to stop a flood with a dish, a glass, a water glass. How many trips upstairs to dump it out that it take before you realize, you know, this isn't working. It's not going to work.

[Joe]

I had a big red thing, you know, my knees. That's where I originally shot my knees. Big red tub. Yeah, that was like that.

[Pat]

They slosh, don't they?

[Joe]

Sloshing up the. Sloshing up and back the steps. Yeah. Damn near as fast as I could go. Yep, it was. I was. Bucketed it out and then put it in that thing. Three hours.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Unbelievable.

[Pat]

That did screw up your knee.

[Joe]

Oh, it did. I was. I was crippled after that, so. But we've only. In the time we've been there, we've only had one real flood in the basement. So that's good.

[Pat]

Twins and whities tonight.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yes, sir.

[Pat]

At the Whitey's.

[Joe]

I gotta tell you this, though. Yeah. The other day, Pop. I heard the pop and the power went out. And I looked up the map to see where the power was. There are 82 homes in the state of Minnesota without power. One down by Rochester, and 81 in our neighborhood, where we always lose it. Really. But they put it back. Got back in about 15 minutes. It. So anyway, they. This time they didn't have to come out. They just flipped a switch. Huh.

[Pat]

Was there a storm?

[Joe]

No, no. I thought it was another. I expected to find another dead squirrel, but there wasn't one. So I don't know what causes it, but at the pole that keeps popping out is right in our backyard. Pop. I said I heard a pop, and 10 minutes later, we didn't have any power.

[Pat]

What do we got? We did it.

[Joe]

Yes, we did. Thank you for the entertainment, Joe. It was great. Thank you.

[Guest or Co-host]

See ya.

[American Nightmares Podcast Narrator]

On a July morning in 1991, Detective Mike King's life changed forever.

[Pat]

I don't think I'll ever forget that first moment when I saw her.

[American Nightmares Podcast Narrator]

A young woman made a startling confession. She'd recently been a member of a cult.

[Pat]

I had to consider the fact that her involvement meant that she could actually be one of the predators.

[American Nightmares Podcast Narrator]

Gardens of Inside the Zion Society Cult is the fifth season of the award winning series American Nightmare Mayors. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen.