MNST - The one way to make JJ McCarthy look better as a QB was to play Max Brosmer yesterday!!

Summary

Garage Logic – MNST Episode Summary

"The one way to make JJ McCarthy look better as a QB was to play Max Brosmer yesterday!!"

Date: December 2, 2025
Host: Joe Soucheray, with Pat, Shelby
Produced by: Gamut Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

In this MNST episode, the Garage Logic crew dives into the aftermath of the Minnesota Vikings’ latest loss, dissecting Max Brosmer’s disastrous outing at quarterback and exploring the ripple effects on the team’s future. The hosts also detour into broader topics such as NFL officiating woes, Vikings’ draft and management decisions, college football bowl games, and Minnesota sports teams’ ups and downs—all laced with their trademark wit, sarcasm, and skepticism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Vikings' Embarrassing Loss & Max Brosmer's Audition

• Vikings shutout by Seattle: The crew laments the Vikings’ first shutout since 2007, focusing on Max Brosmer's struggles at quarterback.
  • “Well, they were... if he hadn't done that, I do think it would have been a different game.” – Joe (02:03)
  • Brosmer’s QB rating compared unfavorably to former Viking Brooks Bollinger’s historically poor game.
    • “Max was 32. That was pretty bad.” – Pat (04:13)
• Questionable coaching decisions: Criticism for O’Connell’s handling of fourth-down plays and Brosmer’s limited experience.
  • “Why do you have to roll out this inexperienced quarterback?” – Pat (02:21)
• Frustration for star receiver Justin Jefferson: The team’s inability to get him the ball leads to empathy and jokes about his stats.
  • “When you look back at his hall of fame statistics… two catches for four yards in this game…” – Pat (05:32)

2. NFL Officiating Frustrations

• Over-abundance of penalties: The hosts vent about NFL referees’s disruptive influence.
  • “I've decided the NFL officials interrupt a contest more than... They not only interrupt it, they can control who wins it.” – Joe (06:59-07:02)
• Calls for consistency: The hosts wish for more predictable officiating both in regular season and playoffs.
  • “Then the playoffs start… Then they let them murder each other.” – Shelby (07:33)

3. Vikings' Management & Roster Construction

• Draft woes under Kwesi Adofo-Mensah: Hosts target the GM’s drafting record, noting the lack of impact players from recent years.
  • “The Vikings have the fewest players of the last couple drafts in their lineup than any team.” – Joe (10:35)
• Roster moves and injuries: Discussion on recent trades and picks, including the failed Lewis Cine selection.
  • “Who drafted Lewis Sin? That was Kwesi’s first round pick… He’s gone. Is he even in the league?” – Shelby/Pat (11:01-11:07)
• Quarterback position uncertainty: Rumors on who could start next—Desmond Ridder is mentioned as a possible incoming starter.
  • “Well, they have just brought in Desmond Ridder.” – Pat (15:15)

4. College Football & Gophers Recap

• Gophers’ snow game and bowl prospects: Recap of the Minnesota–Wisconsin game and the absurdity of bowl game selections.
  • “Gophers finished 5-4 in a three-way tie for seventh in the big 18… The seven teams the Gophers defeated were 28–56.” – Pat (19:09-19:34)
• Bowl game commercialization: The hosts poke fun at the proliferation of minor bowl games with strange sponsors.
  • “We're going to go to Detroit on December 27th… To the Game Above Sports Bowl.” – Shelby/Pat (21:51-22:03)

5. Coaching Carousel & Lane Kiffin

• Lane Kiffin’s endless relocations: The hosts recount the coach’s history of short tenures and big buyouts.
  • “He never leaves when people are happy… He just wants to be somewhere else all the time.” – Pat (22:42-25:38)

6. Tangents & Anecdotes

• NFL personalities: Discussion of Bill Belichick’s awkwardness in pressers, rumors about coaches' personal lives, and oddball team owners.
  • “He has no intention of being back in North Carolina... he’s just on the sidelines, and when's my next check?” – Pat (28:04)
  • Comparison of Raiders’ Mark Davis to “Fredo” from The Godfather. (30:31)
• Local sports round-up:
  • Wild hockey’s hot streak and the parking app debacle for media. (32:01-34:51)
  • Timberwolves chatter and ticket pricing woes for Minnesota sports in general. (38:03-41:13)
• Family and holiday stories: Amusing tales from Thanksgiving and dealing with kids’ new boundaries on teasing. (41:30-45:59)
• Minnesota sportswriting news: Gripes about early deadlines due to out-of-state printing. (35:08-36:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The only way to make JJ McCarthy look better as a QB was to play Max Brosmer yesterday.” – (paraphrased episode title and running joke)
• “If you're looking back at his Hall of Fame stats… two catches for four yards… slowed down considerably this year.” – Pat (05:32)
• “The NFL officials interrupt a contest more than… they invent things.” – Joe/Pat (06:59-07:08)
• “Intentional decision making. Now we've stopped using it intended to be used and we use it now as a noun. Intentional.” – Pat (12:48)
• “Lose the last five now, come on, let's go… Let's get a top five pick.” – Pat (10:12-10:16)
• “Gophers finished 5 and 4… The seven teams the Gophers defeated were 28 and 56.” – Pat (19:09-19:34)
• “You come to Vegas, they'll take care of you. I just had a whole suspicion when he said told Fredo to go fishing…” – Joe/Pat (30:41-30:57)

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Important Timestamps

• Vikings' play-calling and Max Brosmer’s game: 01:17–05:14
• NFL officiating complaints: 06:26–08:14
• Vikings management/draft commentary: 10:10–13:13
• QB options & Brosmer’s future: 15:13–16:35
• College football bowl games & Gophers recap: 17:34–21:50
• Lane Kiffin and the coaching carousel: 22:16–26:41
• Miscellaneous NFL personalities & anecdotes: 27:26–31:51
• Wild’s November and Timberwolves talk: 32:01–41:13
• Personal/holiday family stories: 41:30–45:59

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Final Notes

Full of barbed humor, nostalgia, and sports cynicism, the episode channels classic Garage Logic energy as the hosts riff on Minnesota sports’ persistent woes, the oddities of modern pro and college football, and the lighter side of life in Gumption County. No game, coach, or front office is spared.

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For listeners who missed the show:
You’ll get a thorough look at the Vikings’ (and Gophers’) quarterback troubles, a roast of the current management, plenty of riffing on the culture of football and Minnesota sports, and lots of laughs at the absurdities of sports media and the everyday. Definitely an episode filled with the show’s signature blend of grumpiness, banter, and heart.

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Transcript

[Joe]

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[Pat]

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[Joe]

He gave one didn't.

[Shelby]

Yes.

[Joe]

Ollie.

[Pat]

Joe, all these NFL teams have developed a habit of. For instance, the Bears coach took his shirt off yesterday.

[Shelby]

Ben Johnson.

[Pat]

Ben Johnson. Didn't they play Friday whenever they. Okay, Friday. Yeah, he took his shirt off afterwards. And we show. They showed that video. But it, you know, and Kevin, we've had several of Kevin's videos on. Posted proudly on Twitter. But it seems like they don't post it after humiliating defeat.

[Shelby]

Like getting shut out on the road.

[Pat]

Getting shut out. First time since 07 and only. What, only the third or fourth in history, right?

[Shelby]

Something like that.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think until the kid threw that stupid.

[Pat]

Well, they were.

[Joe]

Flung it away on 4th and 1 until he flung it away. If he hadn't done that, I do think it would have been a different game.

[Pat]

Well, defensively that would have tied the.

[Joe]

Game with a field goal.

[Pat]

Defensively, Seattle wasn't doing anything.

[Joe]

And defensively I mean wonderful.

[Pat]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying that Seattle wasn't doing. Sam wasn't doing much. Offensively they were rushing him. But then that would just look like panic. I think that looked like when you went to your kids 9 year old football game and he just threw it someplace. But why don't we. Joe, we're fourth and one. We've been running the ball fairly well, right. Why don't you just hand it off to somebody? Why do. Why do you have to roll out this inexperienced quarterback so But I would say that in his wildest imagination, o' Connell never dreamt that his young. Well, not that young.

[Shelby]

25 year old rookie.

[Pat]

25 year old rookie would decide to whip a sidearm underarm.

[Shelby]

You know, I'm no quarterback expert.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Shelby]

But I don't think it's a good idea to run away from the line of scrimmage.

[Joe]

And even then, if he had just laid down and held onto the ball, they still were in field goal.

[Shelby]

Right. But it was fourth down.

[Joe]

So what?

[Shelby]

Seattle was fourth down.

[Joe]

That's right. That's right. That's right.

[Pat]

But they got the ball on the five then. Yeah, you don't care. But he threw it right to the guy. The guy.

[Joe]

Look at this. And it was one of these deals.

[Pat]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. After that, Max. Now, the last time the Vikings got shut out, it was 2007 in Green Bay. Brooks Bollinger, who ended up being. Wasn't he the Cretan football coach?

[Joe]

For a time? Yes.

[Pat]

Was the quarterback, but he passed for like 150 yards or something. And his quarterback rating was in the 50s. Max was 32.

[Shelby]

That was pretty bad.

[Joe]

I got a question for you.

[Pat]

And followed by 34. I wonder if any NFL team, and if somebody got to find this in the history of quarterback ratings when they started doing them, has gone 3432. That's pretty bad.

[Joe]

Here's what I would have done.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because we're all playing that game.

[Pat]

Yes.

[Joe]

At what point do you think o' Connell knew they weren't going to win the game? Serious question. Maybe on that play.

[Pat]

No, no. I mean, that only made it 10. Right.

[Joe]

Here's what I would have done. The kid's in there for his chance. This is his audition. I would have had every play been a pass play.

[Pat]

Sure.

[Joe]

Every play.

[Pat]

Just start throwing it.

[Joe]

Let's see what you can do.

[Shelby]

Okay.

[Joe]

And if you're going four and out, you're three and out anyway. Time after time after time. Go three and out on passes. Yes. There were four or five, six, maybe 13 or 14 interceptions. But beyond that, I, I would have, I would have, I would have said just throw it.

[Pat]

Yeah, well, throw. Keep throwing to JJ So till he catches one. Get him eight catches so he doesn't have to go over there and pout for not ever getting the.

[Joe]

I feel for the, for Jefferson. Well, he, I think he's trying to still be an adult about it. Well, he's trying, but he's, he's losing the battle.

[Pat]

You know, when you look back at his hall of fame statistics that says two catches for four yards in this game, you're saying. Yeah, you know, I mean, here's a guy that was on a pace that nobody had ever had that slowed down considerably this year.

[Joe]

Cousins was Johnny United.

[Pat]

Yes.

[Joe]

For Jefferson.

[Pat]

Oh, he's come in and hasn't won a game yet for Atlanta, right?

[Shelby]

No, they. In fact, they lost. Didn't they lose a close one yesterday to the Jets?

[Pat]

Yeah, they lost it in Mighty Jets.

[Joe]

Who won that game?

[Shelby]

Denver in overtime.

[Pat]

You know how they won this one? They've won ten in a row.

[Shelby]

They're ten and two, I think, aren't they?

[Pat]

Ten and two, nine in a row, I think. And they've pulled about just out of thin air yesterday. They let him. They give up a touchdown and then Washington goes for two and doesn't make it. So with it on the last play.

[Shelby]

Of the game and the guy was open, the Washington running back, I knew.

[Pat]

Somebody knocked it down.

[Joe]

Yeah, I. The reason I asked that is I saw the end and I couldn't take it any longer because it was one of those games where the refs were interfering every play. Oh, yeah, it drove me. Seriously, I said, this is it. I'm reading. Goodbye. I can't take it.

[Pat]

I have reached this conclusion. You know basketball, we get 100 whistles a game. I'll admit that it drives you a little crazy, but I've decided the NFL officials interrupt a contest more than.

[Joe]

They not only interrupt it, they can control who wins it.

[Pat]

Yes. And they. They invent things.

[Joe]

They invent past interference calls.

[Pat]

Yeah, it's. It's terrible.

[Joe]

They invent movement on the line and.

[Pat]

Then you might get the crew in. That'll call seven penalties the whole game after, you know, hockey or somebody can come and he never referees a game where there's fewer than 25 flags. But once, then the playoffs start and they've got.

[Shelby]

Then they let them murder each other.

[Joe]

What power have they achieved? And how have the referees managed this autonomy from the league that they're getting away with this? They're not unionized, are they? No. They make what, 3, 500 bucks a game?

[Pat]

Oh, God, they make thousands.

[Joe]

But whatever. Ever.

[Pat]

But the flinch is what gets me. The guy that. Yeah, the guy that kind of readjusting his back when he's. He's supposed to be a 320 pound motionless human being. Well, listen, they're breathing.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Pat]

You know, they have to breathe. These are big men.

[Joe]

I can't take it. I turned it off.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And I mean, that's A game where the NFL should think the customers will really stick by this one. They haul with you. It was getting dreadful. Ridiculous. I couldn't take it. So I'm sure they missed me.

[Shelby]

Did we know that the Adam Thielen was going to be out the door here?

[Pat]

I guess they must have. His agent must have been looking around and some desperate team that's got a chance to be in the playoffs might want a fourth receiver or something because.

[Shelby]

Wasn'T the whole reason when he wanted to finish it here and whatever else, wasn't that the whole reason?

[Pat]

But he's. There's something going on because he. He wants to look for another opportunity where he can play some.

[Joe]

Well, nobody was. He wasn't being thrown to.

[Shelby]

That's true.

[Pat]

Well, he didn't get. He didn't dress yesterday.

[Shelby]

Right. Oh, was he inactive? I guess. I didn't even notice.

[Pat]

Inactive yesterday?

[Shelby]

Oh, I couldn't tell because there was not much going on in the offensive.

[Joe]

Side of the ball thing. They didn't draft that Bo Nix, huh?

[Pat]

Yeah, but Joe the Turkey chairman awarded O' Connell and McCarthy Co winners.

[Joe]

I saw that.

[Pat]

Well, any doubt he might have had as he was driving in today from River Falls, where I was. I listened to the 10 or 12 minutes of the. O'. Connell. He can babble with the best of them.

[Shelby]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat]

Well, he's trying to explain poorly executed plays without blaming the executors. You know, trying to protect everybody while saying, well, I gotta take responsibility for that. But, you know. Yeah.

[Joe]

Pat, do you look at the schedule? I don't. They can't. I don't think they can beat the Giants.

[Pat]

But here's the deal. You don't want. You want it.

[Shelby]

No, we got you. Might as well rack up the losses, baby.

[Pat]

Lose the last five now, come on, let's go.

[Shelby]

Let's get a top five pick.

[Pat]

4 and 13. Let's go. Plus, Quasi is going to take the. They're going to. They're going to fire.

[Joe]

He's done. He's got to be. There was a great stat, I think it was St. Paul paper, that the Vikings have the fewest players of the last couple drafts in their lineup.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Than any team.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That's really telling.

[Pat]

Yeah. And that's what's going to get. That's what they're going to use to fire Quasi. Yeah. But one reason is they traded the whole draft away. Two years. Not this year, but last year. Right.

[Shelby]

For Hawkinson.

[Pat]

And. And who was the other guy? I mean, they had fewer choices. No, but they Went wrong. I mean, they.

[Joe]

Who do they draft?

[Pat]

They took. Who drafted Lewis? Sin.

[Shelby]

That was. That was Kwesi's first round pick.

[Pat]

And the guy. He's gone. Is he even in the league?

[Shelby]

I don't even think he's in the league anymore.

[Pat]

But the guy.

[Shelby]

But he did have a significant leg injury.

[Pat]

But the guy they didn't draft. Oh, Hamilton is Kyle Hamilton, who's like the best safety in football.

[Joe]

So who do they draft? They need help at offensive line and.

[Pat]

They still need a quarterback.

[Shelby]

Yeah, they need help.

[Pat]

Well, they spent a ton of money on the offensive line and those guys haven't played. You know when it's. When you're looking and you're saying, this wily veteran I'm gonna bring in here as my center. He's doing fine. Except he gets a concussion about every three games. That's who. Maybe we should know. Kelly.

[Joe]

Kelly.

[Pat]

I knew he was an Irishman. Ryan Kelly. Ryan Kelly. And he's had two more here. But you know, you know what? You're a center, you got your head down there kind of low and you got a 300 pound guy next to you, you know, gonna lean on you here shortly. And you've had concussion history. I'm staying away from him.

[Shelby]

What was the. What was the line? I'm trying to find if we have that sound bite, the quasi line that made you go nuts when he used. Basically he's telling us that. This is a fine way of telling us nothing's going on. I can't remember what. What was the word he used? That.

[Pat]

Oh, yeah, I.

[Shelby]

It was something. I can't remember what it was.

[Pat]

I can't remember.

[Joe]

I got.

[Pat]

That was early on.

[Shelby]

No, it was tactful decisions or something like that. What was that? It was early on in his run.

[Pat]

Oh, well, the thing that's become intentional.

[Shelby]

There we go. That's what it was.

[Pat]

Intentional decision making. Now we're real. Now we've stopped using it. Intended to be used. And we use it now as a noun. Intentional.

[Joe]

Do all teams essentially have the same payroll?

[Pat]

Yeah, you can.

[Joe]

It's not like they're paying as much as the 10 and 2 Denver.

[Pat]

They're right at the cap. Yeah, but I gotta make a confession. I never listened to Paul Allen on K Fan. Unless the Vikings are coming off an embarrassing defeat. Then I do, because I want to see what excuses.

[Joe]

That's fun when it's listening to the wine line too.

[Pat]

Yeah, yeah, I miss wine line. But last week it was. He was trying to keep everybody happy. Well, this Week. Apparently the Wilfs were not in Seattle. They did not fly out for the game. And he does. He does. He writes something for the Vikings website or something for the K fan website.

[Shelby]

I don't know.

[Pat]

He writes. Apparently he writes this.

[Joe]

Who are we talking about?

[Pat]

Paul Allen? Well, apparently he wrote what he thought was something humorous and also pointing out that the owners weren't even there. So he was. Rather than making his usual excuses, he was kind of chiding them. I guess to some degree somebody killed it.

[Shelby]

Really?

[Pat]

Yeah, either. Either the K fan because they don't want the Vikings to be mad at him or. Or the Vikings. But it. He was complaining that he wrote it in an hour and a half on the plane, on the flight back and it never got in. Somebody killed it. So. So twitch kind of spoiled my fun because I like it better when he's making excuses for them.

[Shelby]

Yeah, the excuse making is always better content.

[Pat]

For sure.

[Shelby]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So what possible excuse could you.

[Pat]

I don't know. I don't think they've told us that JJ cleared concussion protocol yet because that would look too suspicious if it was the day.

[Shelby]

Time to get it back in there.

[Joe]

Who else do they have besides bros?

[Pat]

Well, they have just brought in Desmond Ritter.

[Shelby]

But backup yesterday was the guy that used to be with the Rams, Wofford or something.

[Pat]

But they brought. They brought in Desmond, signed him for the weekend. So he'll probably be the starter next.

[Joe]

What do you think this does for Max's short lived career?

[Pat]

You know, Max is apparently an extremely bright individual who was considering medical school.

[Joe]

Well, okay.

[Pat]

And I think he ought to try that.

[Shelby]

Was he good pre snap?

[Pat]

Oh, there was a quote on that. Yes, yes, I saw that quote. Hold on now he's gonna get all wound up. Where did I see that quote? I think it was in the star trombone. I'm not sure that all his. All that stuff was pretty damn good. Let me see that paper, would you please? I gotta see if I can find it.

[Shelby]

The pre snap.

[Pat]

I gotta see if you can find it. This is too good to be true. Thanks for reminding me.

[Shelby]

No problem. That's what I'm here for. Your guy. As Pat looks for that Joe. Aaron Rodgers did not have a good game yesterday for the Pittsburgh Steelers. 19 plays Pittsburgh had without a single yard. Wow, 19 plays that had no yards.

[Joe]

Isn't he playing with a busted wrist?

[Shelby]

No, it's. Yeah, I think it's a finger or something. But yes.

[Joe]

Not in his throwing hand.

[Shelby]

His non throwing hand. Yeah, he looks beat up too. He's an old 42 years old or whatever the heck he is. 41.

[Pat]

Where is it? Where is it?

[Joe]

This is last year.

[Shelby]

Yeah. You want me to find it online, Pat?

[Pat]

No, no, I think I'll have to find it. I'll have to look at it to see it. Where was it? I'll have it. Next time I talk to you, I'll have it.

[Shelby]

All right.

[Pat]

But it was. It was. Yeah. He looked really, really commanded. Noddle and stuff like that. Work our before the action starts. We have no quarterback problem whatsoever.

[Joe]

No Joe.

[Pat]

Nothing.

[Joe]

It's the post snap that gets you, right?

[Pat]

Yes. I said I gotta find that quote. Why did I do that? I was.

[Shelby]

You were probably driving. Were you driving? And that's when you heard it?

[Pat]

No, no, I didn't hear it. I read it. Oh, okay. I read it some damn place. So, anyway, can we get a quick.

[Shelby]

Pause and then we can resume?

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Shelby]

Is there a question to ask you?

[Pat]

Sure. Throw a little. Throw a little. Honor. Honor in the way of the Gophers for that. Oh, for sure. Great victory over the worst Wisconsin team of our lifetimes.

[Shelby]

All right. You want to give PJ a little credit?

[Joe]

Who did he get to the ax before? Anybody?

[Pat]

Yeah. Well, I'm sure he was trying to.

[Shelby]

You had to be happy with the weather.

[Joe]

That was fun. Yeah. That was a legit snow game you had.

[Shelby]

You had a few of those this.

[Joe]

Weekend, only that was really the only good. Well, Northwestern, Illinois were in and out of it.

[Shelby]

Okay.

[Joe]

And then never got to it. Never got to Michigan.

[Shelby]

Well, that's true. Didn't it snow a little bit in that game Saturday?

[Joe]

Not enough for me to pay attention. But the go for game, that was fun. That was a good one.

[Shelby]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Mm.

[Pat]

Where? Where?

[Shelby]

But PJ did jump into the locker room with the axe.

[Pat]

Oh, with the ax?

[Shelby]

Yes.

[Joe]

Did he play or surf?

[Shelby]

Yes.

[Pat]

Oh, God. With the ax.

[Joe]

Aren't they ever tempted to just maybe drop them?

[Pat]

Where? Where? Where? I got to get this one. I had to have this one in there.

[Joe]

What are you talking about? Are you still looking for pre snap?

[Pat]

No. Here it is. Here it is. Here it is. By the way.

[Joe]

I don't know what you're looking for.

[Pat]

I can tell you what I'm looking for as soon as I find it.

[Joe]

Well, right.

[Shelby]

He's pre snapping it.

[Joe]

He commands that phone pretty well.

[Pat]

Gophers finished 5 and 4 in a three way tie for seventh in the big 18. Five teams they defeated were 9 and 31. In other conference games, Gophers were outscored 244 of 10676 in conference play include non conference. The seven teams the Gophers defeated were 28 and 56.

[Joe]

Oh my God.

[Pat]

So where.

[Joe]

Where are they going to end up?

[Shelby]

That's where I was going.

[Pat]

Oh, well, supposedly not Detroit.

[Shelby]

Oh, we're not going to go to the game above Sports bowl in Detroit.

[Pat]

It could be the pinstripe again.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Pat]

Or maybe even somebody mentioned apparently Las Vegas now has two or three balls and they could end up on out there. So. Okay, that's what I read.

[Joe]

But from the big 18.

[Pat]

Nine make up nine, 12.

[Joe]

12 make a bowl.

[Pat]

12 will make a bowl.

[Joe]

That's just. That is just horrible.

[Pat]

12 will make a bowl game because they're. 12 of them are. The big standard now in football is they're bowl eligible. Which means they won half their games. But this encounts those two or three dogs they play before they go into the conference.

[Shelby]

Including one team where it was 66 to nothing.

[Pat]

Northwestern State ended up 1 and 11. I looked them up, but they were last year they were 0 and 12. And the year before they were what? They had a 20 some game losing streak when they played us until they beat Alcorn State.

[Shelby]

Okay.

[Pat]

Which was their only win of the year. Yes.

[Joe]

When did the country decide to have the chambers of commerce around the country?

[Pat]

I don't know.

[Joe]

Must have decided, let's get in on this somehow.

[Pat]

What good does your Boca Raton, Florida? No one's good. You know, Boca Raton, Florida people ain't in on go to the beach. They do that. And now we're going to have the, you know, the whatever. The bowl. The Duke's Mayo bowl or some damn thing down there or the one last year was in Charlotte. Right. The Duke's Mayo Bowl.

[Joe]

And that's a brand of mayonnaise.

[Pat]

Not a bad one. A little tang. I've never had a good tang. I like a good man, but that's what he had mayonnaise dumped.

[Joe]

Oh, he loved it.

[Pat]

Oh God. You know why?

[Joe]

Please, somebody dump the mayonnaise.

[Pat]

It cast attention on him, which is what. What really counts.

[Shelby]

So how about you sell that though, fellas? We're going to go to Detroit on December 27th.

[Pat]

I'm disappointed because I think had they go to gone to Detroit because it's got a new title.

[Shelby]

Yep, it's the.

[Pat]

They could.

[Shelby]

It's the startup something Game Above Sports Bowl.

[Pat]

It's the game Above Sports Bowl. Can you see Brigitte, can you see Murray coming into the locker room and said come on Boys, we're going to the game above Sports Bowl.

[Joe]

Oh, how about Lane Kiffin?

[Pat]

How about that?

[Joe]

Going to lsu.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They won't let him coach the last game at Ole Miss, which is for the. All the marbles, isn't it?

[Pat]

Well, they're gonna.

[Shelby]

They'll be in the first round.

[Pat]

They didn't make the SEC title game. Somehow Alabama got in there.

[Joe]

I think they got the neatest uniform colors.

[Shelby]

Oh, Ole Miss.

[Joe]

Love Ole Miss.

[Shelby]

Well, I. I don't.

[Joe]

What are they? The. What are. What's their team name?

[Shelby]

The Rebels.

[Joe]

The Rebels.

[Pat]

One thing about Lane, though, he never leaves when people are happy. They all hate it when he leaves. Because last. When he was in Tennessee, he just got up and flew out to Southern Cal.

[Joe]

One year.

[Pat]

He was leaving. One year. What.

[Joe]

Why can't he hold a job?

[Pat]

Well, he's, you know. He. What?

[Joe]

Bleep him?

[Pat]

Forget that. You get. He ended up. He was such a pariah there for a while. He ended up at Florida Atlantic for a year.

[Shelby]

Well, Saban, when he was Saban's offensive coordinator, remember, he fired him right before the national championship game.

[Pat]

Right.

[Shelby]

Because he said, you sniffing around another job, I don't want him here.

[Pat]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Shelby]

That's when he got the Florida Atlantic.

[Joe]

Does Ole Miss have to pay him?

[Shelby]

No, because he's getting bought out by lsu.

[Pat]

Yeah, he's probably got a. LSU has.

[Joe]

To pay Ole Miss his contract.

[Pat]

He probably has a $20 million buyout if he leaves, or 10 million. And then, like Fleck, if he leaves, has a. I don't know how much.

[Shelby]

I don't know either.

[Pat]

Million buck buyout. But if you hire him, you usually pay the buyout.

[Shelby]

Mike Fratelloni brought his daughter down there on a recruiting. Or not a recruiting, but a campus visit because she's going to go to school there. She decided. He said, I can't imagine anybody that set foot on this campus would want to go anywhere else.

[Pat]

Oh, yeah.

[Shelby]

He said, it's. There's great hospitality.

[Pat]

Every gal's in a sorority, too. And getting into the sorority Ferraris is like.

[Joe]

I've been. I've been very familiar with that. That works. I have a member of the family who's in one.

[Pat]

Oh, in the South.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. And I've seen the photographs, which I shouldn't.

[Shelby]

Keep that away from me.

[Joe]

I don't think I should be.

[Pat]

Glasses. But the, you know, that is.

[Joe]

It is a bigger deal that I can. I don't even understand.

[Pat]

No Ole Miss. And it's number one. Ole Miss is the Number one sorority school in the country is Ole Miss.

[Joe]

In that town, Oxford and I guess a great bookstore there.

[Pat]

And then it's big rival. Starkville is like going to Fulda. It's. Starkville is not as nice as Faribault.

[Joe]

What is Ole Miss? Is it the University of Mississippi?

[Pat]

Mississippi. But Ole Miss, they were. They've sang poems and songs and old mess.

[Joe]

But they got the neat colors and it's kind of a turquoise or something.

[Pat]

A lot of down football too. But Archie, you know, Archie went there and Archie was, you know, was then LSU though he's making nine at Ole Miss. They got to be paying him 12.

[Shelby]

It was 12. Seven year deal. 12 a year.

[Pat]

12 a year. But he just a happy feet guy too. He just wants to be somewhere else all the time. Bloomington Jefferson dad Monty was coaching with the Vikings when. When.

[Shelby]

When he was in high school.

[Pat]

High school?

[Joe]

Really? Yeah.

[Pat]

Bloomington Jefferson, that's what he played for. He'd be a great guy to cover. His quotes are fantastic and. But he's just a little crazy. Yeah, he can coach, but Southern Cali, really. They ended up. He got fired. Southern Cal at the airport. Well, it's the middle of his second year.

[Shelby]

Oh, that's right. Yeah, you're right.

[Pat]

Middle of his second year. They hated him out there for some reason.

[Shelby]

And Davis fired him after a game on the road when he was the Raiders head coach.

[Pat]

Was that Al or is that the kid?

[Shelby]

No, it was Al. I'm almost positive.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So he was also an NFL coach?

[Shelby]

He was the youngest. I think he was only 31 when he got the job.

[Pat]

And then he. He died. He might have. He got fired in his second year.

[Shelby]

Something like that.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Well, he's well traveled.

[Pat]

I'll say.

[Shelby]

And well compensated.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pat]

And you know, I'm. I'm an old LSU fan.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pat]

From listening to him on the radio. Clear channel radio back in the.

[Joe]

Is that Johnny?

[Pat]

No, no Johnny.

[Joe]

Who's there? Who would be one of their famous.

[Pat]

Billy Cannon.

[Joe]

Billy Cannon.

[Pat]

Billy Cannon. Yeah. 1958 Heisman Trophy or 59 Heisman Trophy winner. Billy. Ken. He ended up with some kind of a financial thing. I don't think he did jail time, but he was. He might have done a little jail time. Of course, the tropper, a good football player. He'd wave him, tell him he doesn't have to serve his time.

[Shelby]

Speaking of crazy football coaches, have you guys seen the season concluding press conference from Bill Belichick over the weekend?

[Joe]

I did not.

[Shelby]

They went 4 and 8 at North Carolina.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Shelby]

And let's just say Bill really did not want to answer a lot of questions. So the one guy goes, coach, how would you assess your first season in the ncaa? Season just ended.

[Pat]

Okay, Coach.

[Shelby]

Well, the season just ended like five minutes ago.

[Joe]

Your house is on fire.

[Shelby]

Catch fire all the time.

[Pat]

He has no intention of being back in North Carolina. But I told you, our intern, Shelby. Oh, yeah, Shelby was in the. Would have been in the audience. She's a beat person for the rally. I gotta. I think I'll call her today and say out press conference call. You get a one on one with Bill at the end of the year there.

[Joe]

When is it?

[Pat]

I saw him at the end of the Duke game and he was. They were just. They were like tied and all of a sudden they're two touchdowns behind and Duke's dancing and they got two or three 15 yarders in a row for hitting guys. And yeah, they lost completely. And he's just on the sidelines and when's my next check? You know, it's unbelievable.

[Joe]

When's Jordan going to do whatever she intends to do? I mean, she's got a game plan here. Doesn't she only steal 100 million from her or something? I mean, there's no reason she's there other than the money. What. What is. When will that happen, I wonder?

[Pat]

I don't know.

[Shelby]

She was in a adult cheerleading competition a couple weeks ago.

[Joe]

I think that would have been fun.

[Shelby]

And Bill was in attendance. And I'm not joking you. And it looked as though grandpa was there and he wanted to be anywhere else than at that adult cheerleading competition.

[Pat]

Does Pete Carroll have a young girl, too? Somebody told me.

[Shelby]

Oh, I don't know.

[Pat]

I don't know.

[Shelby]

That maybe wouldn't surprise me.

[Pat]

I don't want to put that out.

[Shelby]

Okay.

[Pat]

Because he's always a good. I liked him. I liked him a lot.

[Joe]

Well, he's in Vegas, so that really wouldn't be too hard.

[Pat]

No, I'm just not sure that he's.

[Shelby]

Let me look that up.

[Pat]

There might still be a Mrs. Carroll. I'm not sure.

[Joe]

Well, you know, the other weird thing about Belichick is. You ever see the wife? The real wife?

[Pat]

No.

[Joe]

She's very attractive woman.

[Pat]

Is it? Is it? They've been split a long time.

[Joe]

I guess so. I don't know.

[Shelby]

Pete has been married to Glenna since 1976.

[Pat]

Okay, Pete, I'm sorry. Don't sue me. It was not him.

[Joe]

That doesn't say. They're living in the same house, you know.

[Pat]

Well, that Pete's gonna get fired, right? Oh, probably.

[Shelby]

Either that or he'll probably just.

[Joe]

You know that Davis that runs that the Raiders mark, He's an odd looking guy.

[Shelby]

Yes, he is.

[Joe]

He's an odd looking guy.

[Shelby]

Yeah.

[Pat]

I think the football brains and the general street smarts and I'll take their dal had escaped him.

[Joe]

He reminds me of the guy that Al Pacino had to send out in the fishing boy. What was his name?

[Pat]

Fredo. Fredo here, a fat fre, thick freight.

[Joe]

Fredo is just kind of running along there. You come to Vegas, they'll take care of you.

[Pat]

I just had a whole suspicion when he said told Fredo to go fishing.

[Joe]

I knew something bad was gonna happen, gonna work.

[Pat]

Well, he felt bad about having to kill.

[Joe]

I did. He did. He caused him some grief.

[Pat]

Yes, it was. Which one was that? Was that one when Fredo gets drowned?

[Joe]

I think that was two.

[Pat]

Two was fantastic.

[Joe]

Two is when they shifted out west.

[Pat]

And then three was terrible.

[Joe]

Yeah, I didn't. Three was nothing.

[Pat]

They drowned. To blame the pulp for that one.

[Shelby]

I think that's who you might have been thinking of in terms of the girlfriend since Pete Carroll coaches the Raiders. Mark has a young, attractive girlfriend. That's what I think you were thinking.

[Pat]

That's who I was thinking. Yeah.

[Joe]

He's a.

[Pat]

What do you think? You know, what do you think? What do you think that lump's girlfriend would be if Al hadn't let him inherit 800 million or whatever it was?

[Shelby]

I think it'd be a different situation entirely.

[Pat]

He'd be down. He'd be next door at the gas station trying to.

[Joe]

Okay, how about your hockey club for a bit of bright news?

[Pat]

Man, they had a hell of a November. Yes, they did.

[Joe]

They did lose in a shootout to the.

[Shelby]

The saber.

[Joe]

The lowly saber.

[Pat]

I say, you know, I was kind. I like Sarah, our hockey rider. But maybe the headline doesn't reflect it, but it says to surge in the standings. Wild need consistency. They won nine in a row before they lost the shootout.

[Joe]

They had the most consistent November. You can have a half.

[Pat]

Yes. They never lost. Although the Russia. The Russian. What's wrong with him and shootouts. He's like all for 15 or something.

[Joe]

He was the other Russian. That really is a disappointment. The veteran they had. He won a cup with the.

[Pat]

The blues.

[Shelby]

Tara Cinco.

[Pat]

Oh, well, yeah, he's done.

[Shelby]

But isn't he almost 40? He's gonna be old.

[Pat]

No, no, no, no.

[Shelby]

34. Oh, I thought he was older than that.

[Joe]

I think he was a shootout shooter. And I don't think he baldies a.

[Pat]

Son of a gun.

[Joe]

Yeah, so is that. Who's the other kid? Number seven, the defenseman played for the U. Oh, yeah.

[Pat]

Fantastic.

[Joe]

Great.

[Pat]

Bob Boscow's number one regret in life. We're going to overtime against Quinnipiac. The face off. And Favors standing next to him on the bench. 10 seconds later. 10 seconds, was it?

[Shelby]

10 exactly.

[Pat]

National champions. The other guys, you gotta hear, best defenseman in the country. You might want to have him out there. I don't know.

[Joe]

Maybe you're right. It's not even an. I don't know. That's right.

[Pat]

He is good, though, isn't he?

[Joe]

Yeah. And Boldy, you know, he. He was. I don't know if he was considered a long shot, but he was just this kid who showed up from. Wasn't it BC and all of a sudden he's a player.

[Pat]

He played Mankato in the semis, right? Boldy, Boston Cow.

[Shelby]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Pat]

And man. And Hastings. Mankato went out there and kicked the crap out of him physically and beat him. And Baldy didn't want any part of it. He was, you know, he was protecting his pro career or something. But boy, he's a. He's a big, strong kid, man. He's good. He's good. I haven't gotten over there enough. It's. Here's the problem. They have a parking system where if you're with the media, you could at least get in the ramp, right? Well, they got a new parking app that you got. You got a Inguno or something like that? You got it. You can only get in if you put your license plate in Inguno and then you go show that to them. I don't do Inguno. I can't do that. I didn't know him either.

[Joe]

What the hell is.

[Pat]

He said. They keep saying they can set it up for me, so I tried to have. Nah, nah. I don't know.

[Shelby]

Do you have to have that same parking set up for the paper?

[Joe]

No, there's no building. There's no paper to go to.

[Pat]

Well, I heard a rumor that, you know, first of all, my contract's up for.

[Joe]

At least you had one.

[Pat]

I'll be like you, except I won't be working, I won't be writing.

[Joe]

But.

[Pat]

But I won't have a contract either. But what do you mean?

[Joe]

You're right here. Are you making an announcement here?

[Pat]

No, I haven't heard anything. My contracts. But what I heard was when we go to the Des Moines Printing Press.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Now you Write. Why do you have to have your column in Thursdays? Thursday. Well, this is sports.

[Joe]

Right?

[Pat]

This is sports. And we're often writing off of activities. That's right. They play games that happen afternoon. You know, on a Saturday afternoon. We write about activity. That's right.

[Joe]

Things that are happening now.

[Pat]

Happening. I saw something that. If you're. That for now, they want the sports columnists Sunday columns done on Thursday.

[Joe]

Join the club.

[Pat]

Yeah, but what.

[Joe]

I take that back. I take it back. I have until Friday, noon.

[Pat]

Okay, that ain't bad. But that shall not stand. Or I. You know, I'm out. I don't care. I'm not.

[Joe]

Come on over. First of all, it's not like you need an office.

[Pat]

No, no.

[Joe]

Right.

[Pat]

First of all, come on. What happens if you write a thing about.

[Joe]

And I bought some Jimmy Carter's okay?

[Pat]

Jimmy, he got nothing against you, you know, what the hell, you know, we.

[Joe]

Didn'T have gas, but that was.

[Pat]

He didn't like the Saudis and they didn't like him. Instead of being a buddy of the guy that dismembered somebody.

[Joe]

You know what I. You know what? I got that.

[Pat]

You did. You know, you. How could you bring that up? He said he doesn't like the Chubby. He doesn't like the Chubby. Ap.

[Joe]

I got a sheet of stamps you'd covet. I still got most of a sheet left of Hank Aaron.

[Pat]

Oh, yeah?

[Joe]

Did you ever get those?

[Shelby]

No.

[Pat]

Hey. Hey. By the way, I haven't seen it yet, but Tony's son wrote a child's book about Tony.

[Shelby]

Really?

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Shelby]

How old is his son?

[Pat]

He's 30 maybe. Okay, 35.

[Shelby]

Oh, that's cool.

[Pat]

But he just checked child's book. I haven't. I haven't seen the dang thing, but I. You know, Tony's 86 now.

[Joe]

See that?

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Shelby]

Yeah.

[Pat]

What? Oh, time to go.

[Joe]

But they. We've given them more than enough.

[Pat]

Oh, goodness.

[Joe]

We didn't even do the Timberwolves. You have something you want to say?

[Shelby]

Nah.

[Pat]

Remember? Nah. Nah. Alexander Walker. We couldn't afford them. Well, a. There are three guys that. Seven, eight, nine. You know, the Dillingham, Clark and Shannon. None of them can shoot. Shannon can drive, but he can't shoot. Jay Clark can't shoot. Dillingham maybe can't play, but he can't shoot. Right. Well, now, last night, 44 minutes, 34 points.

[Joe]

Wow.

[Pat]

Six out of 11 threes for Atlanta, which, by the way, without Trey Young is winning. Yeah, so they're good. And we should have figured out A way to keep. Nah, I think or replace Anthony been.

[Joe]

Getting some bad press. Not bad press, but he's not being glorified as he has.

[Pat]

He played pretty good the last two nights, but. Yeah, he was. Yeah, well, they had three of the worst losses of all time.

[Shelby]

That Phoenix loss was pretty bad.

[Pat]

Phoenix loss. When he. Then he bricks two free throws. I had a new suggestion for Chick fil a though. You know, Chick Fil a has the deal in the arenas. They can only do it once, but if opposing player in the fourth quarter misses two straight free throws, you get a free Chick Fil A. Oh, there you go. When Rudy is shooting the free throws, they should only have to. They should have a half price for you. If he misses to you, they'll go bankrupt. To get a half price Chick Fil a, we can't. We can't make you buy a whole. Get a whole free.

[Joe]

One whole Chick Fil a sandwich.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

If a guy misses two free.

[Shelby]

Well, that's what Pat's suggesting.

[Pat]

You know what? Somebody told me and I have to confirm this, but since it's Monday night sports talk.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Relative of my wife's family, you know, side of the family.

[Joe]

Is that where you were? On the East Coast?

[Pat]

No, because we were there. But then Sunday, Chaz, my brother in law, Chaz had a big family thing. So there were like 40 people yesterday. Yeah, was that way back yesterday. But there's a guy there, a bachelor, successful downtown bachelor, 40 years old, long time season ticket holder, like the second row of the. Of the stadium. Nice guy, goes with his buddies, you know, and he was paying 200 a game. They're now charging 800 a game. Wow, what a. Rod and Lori have jacked up the price of something fierce down there.

[Joe]

Is this guy paying the freight? No, he got out.

[Pat]

I think he says he still has him in his name, but he doesn't go to many games.

[Shelby]

Well, honestly though, I wonder if that has a lot to do with property tax increase and whatnot.

[Pat]

Well, not $600 worth.

[Shelby]

Well, true. I wonder how much the. Just the cost of doing business in the city has to do with that.

[Joe]

The city's running out of people that could pay 800 a.

[Shelby]

I don't doubt that for a second.

[Joe]

This isn't the guy that used to sit there with the folded up program.

[Pat]

Oh, no. God no. This guy's a responsible human being. But no, he's. But that's what he. Wow.

[Joe]

I remember that you told me that your Thanksgiving dinner out east was going to be catered. No but that they were going to cook one. So the house smelled like a turkey.

[Pat]

Well, that was before but Stephen, who is my wife's sisters. The married is. Is the wife of her daughter.

[Shelby]

Our.

[Pat]

Our niece. He's a what? He's the husband of our niece Stephen. He is also the chef for the Wizards. The. Oh yeah, yeah. He's the chef for the Washington basket. The in house chef. He cooks for the players.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Cooks for the women's team. Cooks for the G League team.

[Joe]

What about the Caps?

[Pat]

No, he's not the same owners aren't there. So. So he came over the day before and put.

[Joe]

Oh, here we go.

[Pat]

The feast together.

[Joe]

That it was good.

[Pat]

You know what they. What we used to call dressing. A lot of people call.

[Joe]

I call it dressing. Was it good?

[Pat]

Killer. Yeah, killer.

[Joe]

I could eat. I could live off that.

[Pat]

And he. Then he had some veggies that were even so good that I ate them. And I usually don't eat veggies like to avoid. And the turkey was. It was fabulous.

[Joe]

Moist.

[Pat]

Oh yes, it was great. Everything was great. The feel. But the only thing, the only problem was the three year old comes.

[Joe]

That his kid?

[Pat]

Yes, that's his. That's his oldest. She's. She runs the whole operation. 17 is 15 adults there. She runs the whole show. It's unbelievable.

[Joe]

Were you trying to watch a football game or.

[Pat]

Yeah. And then Peppa the Pig was on.

[Joe]

I don't like that. I see every Pepper the Pig episode ever.

[Pat]

But we discuss. We discuss things with her.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Kind of try to convince her to change her mind and then she ends up getting her way anyway. Yeah, pretty much. And guess what? She now comes from that generation. Now she's only three, so that might. Maybe she'll grow into it. But you can't tease her.

[Joe]

Oh really?

[Pat]

Like her mother. When her mother was three, I teased the hell out of her.

[Shelby]

Right.

[Pat]

Yeah. I mean you can't. You can't tease this.

[Joe]

You got to be able to tease them.

[Pat]

You gotta. Yeah. What fun.

[Shelby]

Half the fun of having them around.

[Pat]

Yes. Why do you have nieces and nephews and grandkids if you can't?

[Joe]

I get these daily emails called Nature. They're one minute and they're just nifty photography of maybe a. A mountain goat in the French Alps. And the camera's on and you can hear the wind howling. And I got a deal with the. The five year old that she can't go on an iPad until she watches three natures. They're only one minute each.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And it's just pulling teeth to get her to watch the natures because she thinks it's boring.

[Pat]

I gotta tell you though, yesterday at this thing Chaz had, there was all his family members. There are five young girls, maybe the oldest is 12 and maybe down to about six. Right. And they're all his grandkids. And they were over in the corner plotting something, practicing a tune. And then they came out and the five of them would sing a ditty and then include an observation that rhymed about, you know. And then I saw Bob, who used to be a slob or something like that, that kind of thing. They did the whole thing. It was fantastic. I went over there and said, who's the, you know, who's the conductor? Who's the conductor and who's the rhyme? This 12 year old girl was just brilliant.

[Joe]

Now who she belong to?

[Pat]

She belongs to Joe, one of the. Okay, Joe. That Joe's struggling along as a Harvard Business School graduate with four kids.

[Joe]

Wow. Well, you know what Mel Jas was.

[Pat]

The kids go to that slum. Blake. He's got a good job. He's got a good job.

[Joe]

I'm done.

[Pat]

All right.

[Shelby]

Will you sell us the car before you go?

[Pat]

Here's the good news, folks. We gave you so much show today that a couple of times later this.

[Shelby]

You know, we might not be feeling it.

[Pat]

Might not be feeling it when I get my new knee. Jim Paul and Brett Paul's Valley group of GM dealers. You want to bring the. You want to bring the family home a new vehicle for Christmas? This is the place to go. Straight down Cedar Avenue, 147th Street. Buick SUVs all over the lot and all over the inventory. You can pick them out. You can get low interest rates, high factory rebates, and you got financial people out there that will make it happen for you. These Buick SUVs are tremendous. And such was telling us about the GM, the one that he saw the other day out there, the suv, the Acadia.

[Shelby]

Right. Wasn't the Acadia.

[Pat]

Acadia, something like that. So all kinds of right now get a little snow this winter. You can't beat having an SUV to drive through it. And they'll make the deal for you. Jim Paul's Valley Group of GM dealers, straight out Cedar Avenue in Apple Valley at 147th Street.