MNST: Vikings shut out Washington and we lay out all of exciting College Football Bowl season action!!

Summary

Garage Logic Podcast Summary

Episode: MNST: Vikings shut out Washington and we lay out all of exciting College Football Bowl season action!!
Date: December 9, 2025
Host: Joe Soucheray
Guests/Regulars: Pat, Chris
Network: Gamut Podcast Network

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Overview

In this classic episode of Garage Logic, host Joe Soucheray (“The Mayor”) is joined by Pat and Chris to break down the Minnesota Vikings’ shutout win over the Washington Commanders, dive deep into puzzling Vikings offensive issues, and embark on a highly opinionated, often hilarious tour of the upcoming college football bowl season. The trio also reminisce about sports reporting gear, grumble over bowl name changes, and sprinkle in plenty of their signature Midwestern wit and skepticism along the way.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Vikings vs. Washington – Defensive Dominance & Offensive Questions

• Vikings Shutout: The show opens with the hosts marveling at Minnesota’s defensive performance against Washington, but the excitement is tainted by ongoing confusion over star receiver Justin Jefferson’s lack of involvement.

  • Joe asks: “Justin Jefferson had two receptions yesterday…11 yards for minimal yards. What is going on there?” (00:48)
  • Pat replies: “The fact that the defense is giving up no points doesn’t put much pressure on the quarterback…he can be acting like the good soldier. But the fact that the last two weeks he’s had four catches for 17 yards, that when you’re looking at the Hall of Fame resume – that doesn’t look too good.” (00:58)

• Gritty Deprivation: Both Joe and Pat lament the absence of Jefferson’s signature “gritty” dance, noting its cultural resonance and how other players have co-opted it.

  • Joe quips: “Other people around the league are doing the gritty. I want him to do the gritty.” (01:54)

• Playoff Aspirations – Skepticism Abounds: Joe wonders if this version of the Vikings can finish strong. Pat is unconvinced, especially after such a conservative offensive game plan.

  • Pat: “They’re going to have to maybe get a little out of your comfort zone.” (03:53)

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Notable NFL and College Game Reactions

• Other NFL Action: The Packers-Bears game is discussed as a highlight, with Chris praising Bears’ comeback efforts and rookie QB talent.
  • Chris: “I really didn’t think he was going to be anything...but Caleb Williams can throw the ball.” (02:32)
  • Pat interjects about quarterback traits and gives a humorous side note about “Turkey of the Year” awards meant as “motivation, not ridicule.” (02:56)

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College Football Bowl Season – Skepticism, Nostalgia, and Naming Nonsense

• Team Bowl Opt-Outs: The group covers the phenomenon of teams skipping bowl games (including Iowa State and Kansas State), frequently tied to coaching changes and player transfers.

  • Pat: “They voted no…now the league fined them $500,000…Notre Dame, nobody can fine them because they don’t belong to a conference.” (04:51)

• Bowl Game Debates – Who Deserves In?

  • Pat:", Alabama...the team that shouldn’t be going is Alabama. Because Alabama...they’re punishing Notre Dame for a loss to Miami...they’re not punishing Alabama for a loss to Florida State." (06:10)
  • Critique of ESPN/SEC influence on playoff committee selections, drawing laughs and jabs about TV ratings and conference loyalty. (06:37–07:12)

• Indiana Football Ascendancy: Discussion of Indiana’s sudden success and their coach’s bold attitude.

  • Pat: “When they asked him what made him think he could win in Indiana, he said, ‘Google me. Won everywhere I’ve been.’” (09:38)

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The Great College Bowl Name Purge

• Joe’s Quest: Joe, armed with a fake notepad, attempts to only recognize “real” bowl games—those rooted in history or named after plants, animals, or states, and not “corporate nonsense.”

  • Memorable bit: Joe dismisses nearly every bowl as Chris reads the exhaustive list.
  • Joe (on the LA Bowl): “Not counting that one.” (23:19)
  • Chris (reading bowl names): “Gasparilla Bowl, Memphis vs. NC…”
    Joe: “No. That’s a no.” (24:41)

• Long Riff on Bowl Name Changes: The crew reminisces about bowls with more legitimate names:

  • Pat (on bowl sponsorships): “Some great old coach said not long ago, 10 years ago, said, ‘I only want to go to bowl games that named after fruits or flowers.’” (16:48)
  • The Outback, Citrus, Gator, Sun, and Alamo bowls barely make the cut for “legitimate” status. The rest are ruthlessly mocked or dismissed as corporate cash grabs.

Notable Bowl Naming Banter

• Joe (on the Outback Bowl): “No, that’s a food. I want a plant.” (17:09)
• Joe (on the Copper Bowl): “I’ll take that. That’s an element. That’s a mineral. I’ll take that.” (16:37)

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Sportswriting Tech Nostalgia (19:00–22:30)

• Stories emerge about the evolution of filing stories from typewriters, Telex machines, Texas Instruments “with two big tits on top,” to Radio Shack portables, and eventually iPads.
  • Pat (on the Radio Shack machine): “The first mistake we made was going away from the Radio Shack.” (20:24)
  • Joe: “I still have mine. I used it as a display.” (20:48)
  • Hilarious typewriter mishap:
    Pat: “I was down the row and I said, oops. Oops. What happened?” (19:52)

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Detailed College Bowl Rundown (22:32–30:17)

Chris reads through the upcoming bowl slate; Joe and Pat provide off-the-cuff commentary, usually involving Joe rejecting the legitimacy of nearly every bowl.

• Survivors: After relentless culling, only five bowls make Joe’s “real” list: Gator, Independence, Alamo, Sun, and Citrus, not counting major playoff games. (30:12)
• Pat (on Independence Bowl): “That ain’t a bowl game. That’s a battle of piss ants.” (28:16)
• Pat (on bowl legitimacy): “The Gator bowl is like…was the fifth bowl for years.” (27:26)

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Minny Sports: Hockey & Final Banter (33:00–34:23)

• Brief update on the Minnesota Wild’s struggles and a lighthearted plug for the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame event, including local legend mentions and teasing memories about past coaches and local sportswriters.

  • Pat (on Hall of Fame coverage): “He was Mr. Hockey…He had no problem being told what he was doing wrong.” (33:40)

• Pat (on Minnesota hockey): “I just looked at the top 20. We ain’t in it. That doesn’t happen too often. They're off to a bad start, but they’ll be back.” (34:23)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Other people around the league are doing the gritty. I want him to do the gritty.” – Joe (01:54)
• “The Turkey of the Year is not intended as ridicule. It’s intended as motivation.” – Pat (02:56)
• “I only want to go to bowl games that named after fruits or flowers.” – Pat (16:48)
• “Alabama...the committee, which is a bunch of BS, everybody’s trying to figure out, did you see their explanation for why Miami jumped Notre Dame...?” – Pat (07:06)
• “We walked...that was terrible. That was terrible. We walked.” – Pat on trudging through Detroit Silverdome weather (18:49)
• “Oops. Oops. What happened?” – Pat on accidentally dropping a typewriter in the press box (19:52)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Vikings’ shutout, Jefferson woes: 00:40–02:01
• Gritty/cultural football talk: 01:54–02:12
• NFL and Bears-Packers reaction: 02:12–02:48
• Turkey of the Year/Motivation: 02:56–03:10
• Can the Vikings make the playoffs? 03:46–04:06
• College teams dropping out, ESPN/SEC/committee critique: 04:46–07:12
• Indiana Football rise: 08:25–09:54
• Bowl game selection, bowl naming farce: 22:30–30:17
• Sportswriting/tech nostalgia: 19:00–22:30
• Minnesota Wild/Hockey Hall of Fame/local sports: 33:00–34:23

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Tone & Language

True to Garage Logic, the episode is conversational, irreverent, suffused with dry wit, local knowledge, gentle ribbing, inside jokes, and nostalgia for “how things used to be.” There’s deep skepticism of change for change’s sake—whether in football, bowl games, or technology—with an underlying affection for tradition and common sense.

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This summary provides all the key sports discussion, memorable moments, and stand-out quotes—the next best thing to being in the Garage yourself!

Transcript

[Joe]

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[Pat]

We got the new. We got new shooting reported. Who the new.

Investors were too. Yeah.

[Joe]

Never heard of it.

I got a Viking question.

[Pat]

All right, I'm ready.

[Joe]

Justin Jefferson had two receptions yesterday.

[Pat]

Again only two yesterday for no.

[Joe]

11 yards for minimal yards. What. What is going on there?

[Pat]

I know yesterday they were basically kept it as absolutely manila as they could for the young man. And the fact that the defense is giving up no points doesn't put much pressure on the quarterback and he looked just fine yesterday. But.

[Joe]

But he's the best receiver in football.

[Pat]

Yes.

[Joe]

Are they just can't go on?

[Pat]

I don't know. Are they double teaming him? They don't see him. You know I thought you know earlier was because McCarthy stunk. But why yesterday when he played pretty well, they never got the ball to him. I don't know. But he can be acting like the good soldier. But the fact that the last two weeks he's had four catches for 17 yards that when you're looking at the hall of Fame resume that doesn't look too good. So.

[Joe]

Plus other people around the league are doing the gritty. I want him to do the gritty.

[Pat]

Yes, I do too. We don't want the gritty.

[Joe]

That's his deal.

[Pat]

He ought to. Well, maybe they figure since he hasn't using it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Can I borrow that?

[Pat]

Can I borrow the gritty? A lot of people doing the gritty. That's. That is for sure.

[Joe]

Great snow game yesterday in Buffalo.

[Pat]

Oh yeah, wonderful, wonderful. And you know what? Packers Bears was a hell of a game. It really was. It was a good nasty game. Yeah. And the Bears, the Bears are plucky. They came back and tied it and then made. Then they got the. Then the packers pulled her out. But that was a hell of a game.

[Chris]

I'll say this about that kid. I really didn't think he was going to be inning that Caleb Williams can throw the ball.

[Pat]

He can sometimes.

[Joe]

He's inaccurate but he Looks hesitant to be.

[Pat]

But he's an athlete. He's what, 6, 4?

[Joe]

Who'd he play for?

[Chris]

LSU and Oklahoma before that. But yes, but boy, he can sling that thing, man.

[Pat]

Yeah, he's a big, big, big boy. But you know, I've always said, Joe, the turkey of the year, big man. The Turkey of the year is not intended as ridicule. It's intended as motivation.

[Joe]

It's informing.

[Pat]

Jay and jj, I think took it in the spirit in which it was offered being the co winner and had a pretty good game. So that's that.

[Chris]

I meant to ask you, for years we had the. You know how we have the Vikings, the wine line. We always had the Turkey of the year preview show on our old airwaves. Do we still do that these days?

[Pat]

No, no. This wasn't it longer discussion.

[Chris]

Chris Long and Judd used to do the preview of the Turkey of the year.

[Pat]

Yeah, I think there's stuff going on over there with the Scornors boys that I don't really.

[Joe]

Can they. Can they go nine and eight with this club?

[Pat]

No.

[Joe]

With that game plan from yesterday? No.

[Pat]

But we don't, you know, the other team, the other team is going to move the ball some and then you're. Then you're going to have to maybe get a little out of your comfort zone. That would be my guess.

[Chris]

So if they played Washington the rest of the year. Yes.

[Joe]

I can tell you Dallas this Sunday.

[Pat]

I can tell you having been in Washington D.C. for four days over Thanksgiving, the folks are a little down on the Commanders and yesterday did nothing to improve. But they also are really down on the Wizards and the Nationals. The only thing they got is OVI out there. They got OVI out there. They got a soccer team, too, but I don't know. The soccer stadium is right out by the ballpark now. But I don't know what the name of the soccer team is or if they're any good.

[Joe]

But Pat, did you see where Iowa State voted to not play? Yes.

[Pat]

Way to go, Iowa State.

[Joe]

I think that's fantastic.

[Pat]

You know what happened? They changed code. You know, their coach went to Penn State and they had a lot of injuries late in the year. And the new coach came in and the players just said, you know, they're worried about transfers. Some of them are going to transfer probably with the new coach and the whole, you know, mess. And they voted no. And now the league find them $500,000 for not really. And Kansas State did the same thing, by the way. They're not going to go to a bowl game either. Baylor was 5 and 7 this year out of the same conference. And when they team started bowing out, Baylor was going to get an invite at 5 and 7 and they turned it down. But I don't think the league can find them because they were not bowl eligible in the true sense. But yeah, Iowa State and Notre Dame, nobody can find Notre Dame for not going to a Super bowl because they don't belong to a conference in football. And I'm all for Notre Dame saying the hell with you. So am I. Here's the deal. Alabama.

[Joe]

Why take Miami over Notre Dame?

[Pat]

Well, they beat him.

[Joe]

That's okay.

[Pat]

But Miami should. But here's the deal. The team that shouldn't be going is Alabama. Because Alabama, you know, they're punishing Notre Dame for a loss to Miami early in the season. First two games. They're not punishing.

Alabama for a loss to Florida State that ended up what, Chris, 5 and 7.

[Chris]

Yeah, I know they didn't have a way.

[Pat]

Yeah, they had a. You know, they're not punishing Alabama for that. And you know why, Joe? Because ESPN is the home basically for the pro for the college football playoffs.

[Joe]

Right.

[Pat]

ESPN is also the home of the Southeastern Conference.

[Joe]

Right.

[Pat]

And the playoff committee is in their pocket. Okay, so where's their Alabama?

[Joe]

Where's their greed? Notre Dame will guarantee a better TV audience. It's worldwide.

[Pat]

Alabama will. Oh, Notre Dame's nationwide. Yeah, well, Alabama would. Oh, much better than Miami. Yes. But it's more loyalty to these. They really could not have what the Southeastern Conference ended up with three teams or four. Chris, Georgia.

Ole Miss and was there didn't want Oklahoma too. Oklahoma.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Pat]

So they ended up with four and they couldn't. They, the SEC wanted four teams in, so they, the committee, which is a bunch of bs, they, everybody's trying to figure out, did you see their explanation for why Miami bunch jump Notre Dame when they didn't? Neither team played last week. Well, we went back and looked at the game where they beat him. Well, in other words, you're doing the ratings but you didn't look at the game earlier every week. You know, the trouble is they should never put out their ratings until just the last time because they don't mean anything.

[Joe]

So did you ever think you'd be alive to see Indiana number one in the country?

[Pat]

No.

I did not. And you know what I said when the Gophers beat Indiana here in basketball the other day with one of the worst offensive performances you'll ever see from Indiana? I said, ah, hell, It's a football school. Anyway, you know what. What is. You know. Yeah. Isn't it amazing? Indiana, their basketball team, you know, they have scored 100 points against Marquette. They look terrible against the Gophers.

[Chris]

I have a question of. Oh, go. I'm sorry, Go ahead.

[Pat]

But.

It is astounding and how quick it happened.

[Joe]

Two years. Is it Signetti? He must be a hell of a coach, huh?

[Pat]

He was at. Well, he's a recruiter and a recruit and James Madison is where he was. And.

They'Re. They're in the playoffs.

[Chris]

They are.

[Pat]

That's a silly.

[Chris]

At his opening press conference, Pat and I talked about this. He said, I've won everywhere I've been. That ain't gonna bleep and change now.

[Pat]

Something like that. He said, google me. When they asked him that, he was right. When they asked him what made him think he could win in Indiana, he said, google me one everywhere I've been. Yeah, it is incredible. It is incredible.

[Joe]

Now there's no games this weekend, right?

[Chris]

This coming weekend bowl season might not start for a while.

[Joe]

I'm not talking bowls, I'm talking the playoffs.

[Pat]

I think we have a goal a bowl as early December 13th, I saw.

[Chris]

That was always my favorite time of the year when we were the home of college football. Bowl games on 1500 ESPN and Joe would say.

The hell is the beef o Brady Bowl?

[Joe]

No. But no playoff games are this weekend.

[Pat]

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[Chris]

I'll look it up.

[Joe]

The 19th and 20th.

[Pat]

Oh, that's maybe because they can use both. I don't know.

[Chris]

Any playoff games.

[Pat]

I don't think they have four this week, but no, they have four in the first round, so. Right.

[Joe]

But I don't think they're this weekend.

[Pat]

You're probably right.

[Chris]

October, my goodness. December 20th is when we kick things off the 19th. You are right, Joe.

[Pat]

December 19th, Madison and Tulane will be playing. They'll pack them in the ratings wise.

[Chris]

I Have a question about the Tulane coach. Is that. Is he the interim or was that the guy that took the gig?

[Pat]

The guy took the Florida job, but he's staying and coaching Tulane.

[Chris]

The reason I'm asking that is they beat.

[Joe]

Who'd they beat?

[Chris]

Beat North Texas in the Whatever. And at the end of it, the sideline reporters interviewing him and says, well, it just shows the dedication to the program by the players. I'm thinking you're the guy that's bolting for Florida.

[Pat]

Who are you joking?

It's hard to.

[Joe]

It's hard to get involved. It's hard to figure out who to root for with all this nil money.

[Pat]

Throw out the playoff games. We got 34 bowls, Joe. 34 other bowls. And we were supposed to play Iowa State in the. Whatever the hell Bowl.

[Chris]

The Rate Bowl.

[Pat]

The Rate. What happened to the guaranteed part? It used to be guaranteed Rate.

[Chris]

I don't know.

[Pat]

It's not. Not. They're not guaranteed down to a Rate. Down to a Rate Bowl.

[Chris]

Lost the corporate sponsor?

[Pat]

No, it's. I think it's still the same company, but they don't want to guarantee anymore, apparently. Anyway, we were supposed to play Iowa State and they backed out. So then we end up with New Mexico, which is coached by Jason Ek, who not that long ago was the offensive coordinator for Todd Hoffner in Mankato State.

[Joe]

Really?

[Chris]

I did not know that.

[Pat]

And then he went somewhere in Mont.

[Chris]

Did he work for the Killster Boy.

[Joe]

You know, your football?

[Pat]

No. And then he went Montana or Montana State, and then he got this job.

[Chris]

In New Mexico, but he wasn't affiliated with Jerry. Was he with New Mexico?

[Pat]

No, but. No, not with Jerry. No. Jerry was New Mexico State.

[Chris]

Oh, I'm sorry, Jerry.

[Pat]

New Mexico's in Albuquerque. New Mexico State is where we tested the H bomb.

Basically down the block from Las Cruces, White Sands. It's, you know, it's. Jerry got a new girlfriend down there and a big tattoo. Then he went to Vanderbilt and took his quarterback with him who might win the Heisman Trophy and might have another year of eligibility. No way. Because the junior college. He went to court and the junior college years don't count.

[Chris]

He's going to be 27.

[Pat]

He's played six years, but he might have another one if the junior year.

[Joe]

Is Jerry the head coach at Vanderbilt?

[Pat]

No, but he brought the quarterback and, you know, Vanderbilt. That guy was going to get fired. So he's special offensive consultant.

[Joe]

Oh, sure.

[Pat]

But he's second on the list. You got the head coach, Clark Lee and Next comes Jerry. So instead of saying he. He got us the quarterback as his explanation of his coaching, they got something else. Special consultant.

[Joe]

Do the Vikes play Dallas? Here, look that up for me.

[Chris]

That's in Dallas.

[Pat]

You know our guy, Chip Scoggins? Yeah, Old volunteer fan. He still loves Tennessee. Man, he grew up and volunteered. Having a hard time with Vanderbilt naming the score against him in the season finale. That. That hasn't happened too too often. That Vandy has. Has whipped the vowels.

[Chris]

So I've got the history of the Bull and I'm only doing this for you, Mayor. Yes, Joe Sucre. The Rate Bull was known as the guaranteed Rate bull up until 2023. Now it's just been the Rate Bowl. Last year Kansas State beat Rutgers.

[Pat]

Why is it just the Rate Bowl?

[Joe]

We're down to a rate.

[Chris]

It's just the Rate bowl that. I don't know, Pat, but I'm going to walk you through the history of the name of this game. We did play in it as recently as 2021 against West Virginia.

[Pat]

It's the game that got Mace fired, right?

[Chris]

Oh, shit. Oh, you know what? You might be right. Well, before that, Joe.

It was canceled in 2020. Reason being insufficient number of teams available.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Chris]

The Cheez it bowl is what it was referred to.

[Joe]

I'm familiar with the Cheez it bowl, sure. That was a big bowl.

[Chris]

The Cactus bowl from 2015.

[Joe]

I like that. At least it's named after a plant.

[Pat]

No, Mace got beat in the inside.

[Chris]

I'm getting there. Yes, it was the Buffalo wild wings bowl, 2012 and 2013. The insight bowl, as Patrick mentioned, from 2011. Way back to hang with me. 1997 was it insight bowl for 10 years it was. And as Patrick mentioned, we've lost twice in the Insight Bowl. In 2009 to Iowa State, that was.

[Pat]

Brewster Mace was up, what, 35 to.

[Chris]

Seven and a half times 2006. The Gophers lost in overtime to Texas Tech, 44 to 41.

[Pat]

Some guy for Texas Tech. Didn't he kick a long field? He did tie it at the end of regular.

[Chris]

And then before that it was called the Copper bowl. From really 1989 in its inception.

[Joe]

I'll take that. That's an element. That's. That's a mineral. I'll take that.

[Chris]

You kind of like Cactus Bowl.

[Joe]

I like the vegetation, flowers, fruit have a plan.

[Pat]

Some great old coach said not long ago, 10 years ago, said, I only want to go to bowl games that named after fruits or flowers.

[Joe]

Me too.

The Gophers haven't Been in a real bowl game since 60.

[Pat]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

1960, right.

[Pat]

Yeah. None of them.

[Chris]

Well, Joe dismissed it earlier, but wouldn't the Outback Bowl. That was a decent.

[Joe]

No, that's a food. That's a food.

[Pat]

Yeah, but it's. It's about this in the back, before we started the playoffs, it was like the six. Seventh bowl, baby. The seventh.

[Joe]

All right.

[Pat]

Seventh in importance.

[Chris]

We beat Auburn.

[Joe]

The franchise restaurant.

[Chris]

You want an onion blossom?

[Joe]

I don't want that. I want a plan.

[Pat]

I think the Outback bowl had another name.

[Chris]

Oh, the one. The one in Tampa.

[Joe]

What's the one in Detroit?

[Pat]

Oh, yeah, that's the year it is.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Hold on. I gotta find that because I saw that over the weekend. It made me chuckle.

[Pat]

It's the sports around. Sports around the world or some damn thing.

[Chris]

It is called the game above Sports Bowl.

[Joe]

The game of sports. What is that, a gambling deal?

[Chris]

Might be.

[Pat]

I think that. But before that, it was for years there it was the. What was it? We played in it?

[Chris]

Oh, it was the Quick Lane Bowl.

[Pat]

Quick Lane Bowl.

[Chris]

And by the way, I know you're worried that will take place the day after Christmas, December 26th.

[Pat]

Northwestern got stuck there.

[Chris]

And Central Michigan.

[Pat]

Yes.

[Chris]

And the always available Central Michigan.

[Joe]

Well, that could get a few fans.

[Pat]

I think we beat Central Michigan one here.

[Chris]

There's the year that I was there with the grimmer. And he looked around, he said, I think there's more. He said this off the air, but he did say, I think there might be more people in the press box than in the stands.

[Joe]

Was it where the Tigers play or what do you call them? The Lions.

[Chris]

Yes, it's at Ford Field. Yeah, but. But in. In defense of that, the weather was horrible around the stadium. It was really bad that day. But the game about.

[Pat]

Much horrible weather. Going to the Silver Dome for the Silver Dome.

[Joe]

That was terrible.

[Pat]

That was terrible. We walked. Yeah, we end walking.

[Chris]

That's the one where the. The typewriter flew out of the press box.

[Pat]

It was slipped. It's accidentally.

[Joe]

It was an accident.

[Pat]

It was a porta bubble.

[Joe]

It was an accident. I couldn't. Lost my grip.

[Pat]

It wasn't a. It wasn't a typewriter. It was a portable bubble. Right. Portable bubble.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pat]

An expensive. You know, because I always said you knew. You knew the. The budget and the prestige of your.

Newspaper by whether they had porta Bubbles or they had Texas Instruments. They had the typewriter with two big tits on top of it.

[Joe]

Like that was Texas Instruments. I looked down on those people. If you had a Texas Instrument. What kind of outfit do you work for?

[Pat]

You were in Dallas Morning News. I had the portables. I had a portable Fort Worth down there sitting with me with the big nipples on top of the computer.

[Chris]

So let me ask you a question.

[Pat]

Then give it to you.

[Joe]

Her.

[Pat]

I was down the row and I said, oops. Oops. What happened?

[Joe]

She had a slip.

[Chris]

Those things happen.

[Pat]

What did you do then? How'd you file did it?

[Joe]

I don't know what the hell happened.

[Chris]

Morse code.

[Joe]

I don't know what I did, but they got the copy somehow.

[Chris]

So based upon the criteria that Royce just laid out, what would be the instrument you'd be handling with. In today's world?

[Joe]

I suppose you just type on your iPad.

[Pat]

The first mistake we made was going away from the Radio Shack.

[Joe]

Oh, I love that thing. You could write much faster than your sentence.

[Pat]

And from anywhere.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Pat]

And from anywhere, you didn't need to be in a press box.

[Joe]

What you say C spot, run. And then you see C, S, E.

[Pat]

But it was fantastic. You could. You know, you could.

[Joe]

I still have mine.

[Pat]

I used to.

[Joe]

I used it as a display.

[Pat]

I used to have. I used to have three or four of them down in the basement. And I believe when the DA was cleaning up. Somehow I haven't seen them down.

[Joe]

Guess what else I still have?

[Pat]

What?

[Joe]

Olivetti lettera 32.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah, I got a typewriter.

[Pat]

Yeah, I think. Yeah, I wrote on Olivetti for the second. Second time. But that. When did we. 78. My last year on the baseball beat. I was the first guy to leave the building with a computer to cover the twins, you know, and it was.

[Joe]

Got to leave the St. Paul building.

[Pat]

St. Paul building.

[Joe]

Other people were always ahead of you.

[Pat]

Yeah, yeah, but. And it was with the Texas Insurance, which was. Which was terrible. But it was better than be previously because you would leave with a typewriter and the Xerox machine so you could sit here. Afternoon.

[Joe]

Oh, you sportscon.

[Pat]

The twins gave us these big red suitcases when we flew with them through 76. So I had the. I had. How did I. The suitcase. Now the twins handle the suitcase, but you had to get at the airport. And then you had the. The telex machine. And then you had a typewriter, too. It was a. It was a burden back then. And then you had to put in two hours of drinking at least after the game. It was very difficult.

[Joe]

And then all that stuff was. Yeah, it was.

[Chris]

All right, I have to do this to you guys. I have the entire list of the bowl game schedule in front of me.

[Joe]

Let me dummy get my classes. I'm going to write down the ones that I accept.

[Chris]

Okay, that's exactly where I was going.

[Pat]

We.

[Chris]

We kick things off, Joe. Saturday, December 13th. This week we have the Celebration bowl in Atlanta, Georgia, between South Carolina State and Prairie View. A&L.

[Pat]

Two traditional black schools playing each other.

[Joe]

I don't care. That's a no.

[Pat]

But they don't consider themselves a major bowl. They're FCs.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Pat]

All right. That one don't count.

[Chris]

That one doesn't count. That same day we go to.

[Pat]

So it's not among the 34. Okay.

[Chris]

Oh, it's not?

[Pat]

No.

[Chris]

Oh, okay. I did not know that.

[Joe]

35.

[Chris]

All right, so then we go the same day, we head to SOFI Stadium in Englewood for the LA Bowl. That's Boise State versus Washington.

[Pat]

Get a sponsor.

[Joe]

Right? Not counting that one.

[Chris]

Tuesday the 16th, we have the Salute To Veterans bowl in Montgomery, Alabama.

[Joe]

That's a nope.

[Pat]

You know what we used to have in Montgomery, Alabama? The Blue Gray game.

[Chris]

Why'd we get rid of that?

[Pat]

I don't know. Because they couldn't get enough seniors to play a game. All right, we got no seniors anymore.

[Chris]

The next day at Camping World Stadium in Orlando, Florida, we have the Cure bowl with Old Dominion in South Florida.

[Joe]

Nope.

[Pat]

Right where you used to watch Twins baseball.

[Joe]

Right there.

[Chris]

Then we also have the 68.

[Pat]

Now, is Kier a company or is that what we're doing? Exactly. We're kering America or what?

[Joe]

Look at this sheet of paper. So far, nothing else.

[Chris]

Joe. The same day, we have the 68 Ventures bowl with Louisiana and Delaware in Mobile.

[Pat]

I don't know what game is being played in Jacksonville.

[Chris]

All right, I'll get to that. Thursday the 18th, we have the Xbox Bowl, Arkansas State, Missouri State and Frisco, Texas. Friday, December 19th, we have the Myrtle beach bowl at Brook Stadium.

[Pat]

Another one that didn't get a sponsor.

[Chris]

Nope.

[Joe]

Nope.

[Chris]

Then we go to the Gasparilla Bowl, Memphis vs. NC I don't sponsor there either.

[Pat]

That's at the parade.

[Chris]

Buccaneer Stadium in Raymond James in Tampa, Florida.

[Joe]

No. That's a no.

[Pat]

All right.

[Chris]

Then we start the College Football Playoff. And then we go Monday. If you're playing a bowl game on a Monday, we have the.

[Pat]

Here we go.

[Chris]

The famous Idaho Potato Bowl. That's on the blue turf.

[Pat]

And boys, that's right.

[Chris]

Patrick watching.

[Joe]

Still got a blank sheet here.

[Chris]

Utah state. Tuesday the 23rd, we have the Boca Raton Bowl, Louisville versus Toledo.

[Joe]

Another no. Sponsor. That's a no.

[Chris]

Followed by The New Orleans Bowl, Western Kentucky.

Then we have the Frisco bowl in Frisco, Texas.

[Pat]

They already have the FCS title game. Why the hell do they need a bowl?

[Chris]

Exactly. Christmas Eve, gentlemen, we have the Hawaii Bowl. Shockingly, Cal versus Hawaii on the Lulu.

[Pat]

They don't have a stadium anymore. There's like 9,000 people there.

[Chris]

They got rid of the old pro bowls.

[Pat]

They condemned.

[Chris]

Oh, they did.

[Pat]

They condemned it. And they haven't rebuilt anything yet. They're playing in a high school. In a expanded high school stadium.

[Chris]

Really? As we mentioned, the 26th, the game above Sports bowl in Detroit, Michigan. Our rate bowl, New Mexico vs. Minnesota and Chase Field. The First Responder Bowl.

[Pat]

You think the first responders are ponying up as advertisers? I don't think.

[Joe]

Look at this here. Look at here.

[Pat]

Nothing. Where's the First Responders Bowl?

[Chris]

That one is Gerald Ford Stadium in Dallas, Texas. Gerald J. Ford Stadium.

[Joe]

What stadium is that?

[Chris]

Is it the old Cotton Bull?

[Joe]

Must be. No.

[Pat]

Oh, maybe it is.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Pat]

No, no, it wouldn't be there.

[Chris]

Wouldn't be there.

[Joe]

Okay. I don't know what that is.

[Chris]

Then we have on the 27th, the Military Bowl. Pitt versus East Carolina.

[Pat]

Nope.

[Chris]

The Pinstripe Bowl. Clemson versus Penn State. Yankee Stadium. Also that day, the Fenway Bowl. UConn versus Army.

[Joe]

Nope.

[Chris]

Oh, boy. Followed by Joe, number 12, BYU versus number two, Georgia Tech in the Pop.

[Pat]

Tarts bowl, which used to be the Outback. Right.

[Chris]

Is that what it used to be?

[Pat]

I think so. Where is it played?

[Chris]

That's at Camping World Stadium in Orlando.

[Pat]

It used to be the Camping World. It used to be the. What the hell was it? It was. It was a decent.

[Joe]

I'd still get to know.

[Chris]

The Arizona Bowl. Miami Ohio versus Fresno State. That's in Tucson. New Mexico bowl, which is UNT versus San Diego State. Why wouldn't New Mexico be playing in the New Mexico Bowl?

[Pat]

I have no idea.

[Chris]

The Gator Bowl. That's a legit bowl.

[Joe]

Wait, I'll give Gator that name's been around.

[Pat]

Gator. The Gator bowl is like. Was the fifth bowl for years.

[Joe]

I got it written down.

[Chris]

That's Missouri versus Virginia, who blew a big one, by the way, on Saturday night.

[Pat]

Most of the puke.

[Chris]

The Texas bowl is LSU versus Houston.

[Pat]

All right.

[Chris]

We played a couple of those, haven't we?

[Joe]

I don't care. I don't care. It's named after a state.

[Chris]

The Birmingham Bowl. Georgia Southern versus Appalachian State. The Independence Bowl. Coastal Carolina versus.

[Joe]

Played there.

[Pat]

Goody. Played there. And that's When I called Coach Frank Howard, he said, what'd you record up there? That was Clemson. We were playing Clemson. He says, six and five. He said, hey, we six and five, too. That ain't a bowl game. That's a battle of piss ants.

And the St. Paul paper. After much discussion. Let me get that quote.

[Joe]

Wonderful.

[Chris]

Fantastic. Then we have the Music City Bowl. Tennessee versus Illinois in Nashville. The Alamo Bowl. We've played in that once. Southern Cal versus TC.

Now we go to New Year's Eve. And the ReliaQuest bowl at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa. Florida. Iowa versus Vanderbilt.

[Pat]

That used to be the Outback.

[Chris]

That's the one. Yeah, you're right. That used to be the Outback bowl.

[Pat]

Which before that was something else. I don't know.

[Chris]

The sun bowl is Arizona State versus Duke.

[Pat]

Plan that one for a thousand years.

[Chris]

Yep. The Citrus Bowl. We didn't we play in one of those? We played with Jerry. Didn't we play in the Citrus Bowl?

[Pat]

Yes. Yeah. The big, big crowd.

[Chris]

That's Texas versus Michigan. That'll be a good game.

[Pat]

We hadn't been a bowl game for a while.

[Chris]

The Las Vegas bowl is Nebraska versus Utah.

[Joe]

Nope.

[Chris]

And then we go to your. The Armed Forces Bowl. Liberty Bowl. The Duke's Mayo Bowl.

[Joe]

Nope.

[Chris]

Mississippi State vs. Wake Forest this year.

[Pat]

We were hoping that.

What's the name of the title of the. The Beans Bowl.

[Chris]

It's the Bush's Baked Beans Bowl.

[Pat]

Bush Baked. They got a more Bush's Baked Beans bowl, but it's the Bush's Bokeh. No, you didn't read the full sponsor. The Bush's Boca Raton. Oh, cup of Beans Bowl.

[Ad Reader]

Jesus.

[Chris]

Is that what it's really called?

[Pat]

Like that. Bush's Beans ain't bad.

[Chris]

Oh, I do like Bush's Baked Beans.

[Pat]

They're the. They're the Duke's Mayo.

[Chris]

That's right.

[Pat]

Canned beans. They're not bad.

[Chris]

Did I mention the Liberty bowl, if I haven't already? The Holiday Bowl, Arizona versus msu. And then I think we've got your regular. Your Rose bowl, your Sugar bowl, the college football playoffs.

[Joe]

Well, five bowls survived off your list.

[Pat]

That's good.

[Joe]

Gator, Independence, Alamo sun and Citrus.

[Pat]

Independence must have lost their sponsor, too, in Shreveport, because we were there for that one. And we've been to the Liberty. We were for the Liberty.

[Joe]

So I'd have five bowls. That's not counting the playoffs. Okay, I'd have five bowls.

[Pat]

When were we in the Liberty? Who was in the Liberty? I thought. I thought I was there covering this One here, maybe not.

[Chris]

I don't know.

[Pat]

Tennessee. Did we play Tennessee there?

[Chris]

I can look that up for you. Give me a quick second here.

[Pat]

I think we played Tennessee one year because I remember Johnny Majors, their coach and former Heisman Trophy runner up, being drunk all the time. I remember that.

[Chris]

What were you. Sorry. What were you asking about? Liberty.

[Pat]

Gophers played. Gophers played there, didn't we?

[Chris]

Gophers.

[Joe]

Tell me when we're done with this.

[Pat]

Okay, we're done.

[Joe]

The Wild have slumped on this trip.

[Pat]

Yes.

[Chris]

1986. By the way, we did play Tennessee in the Liberty Bowl.

[Pat]

How'd that one come out? They beat us, right?

[Chris]

We lost 21 to 14.

[Pat]

That was a three thriller. Goody.

[Chris]

That was the thriller, he said.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Johnny Majors against John Good.

[Pat]

John Gooden.

Oh, in fact, that was the one. Lou was. No. Lou was supposed to go to the Independence bowl and then he left for Notre Dame.

[Chris]

Damn it. Now I gotta play the Sound.

[Pat]

Oh, man.

[Chris]

Hold on. Give me a second.

[Joe]

Seattle's not bad. So tonight the Wild could lose to the Kraken.

[Pat]

Let's take our break. No, no. Start this, man.

[Joe]

Right now.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Pat]

Here's the sports hero.

John Guten.

John, your new head coach. Nicolas.

I can't go out of it. I can't go out of it for. So we can dell now this.

Hello. Mercy on you guys. Keep. Keep trying.

[Joe]

S crying soon is.

[Pat]

Is. Great try. Oh, yeah, man. That used to be quality entertainment.

I think we gave him enough, though.

[Joe]

You got to run.

[Pat]

Oh, my goodness.

I gotta be home. I'm doing a Johnny Vasich. The great Johnny. Where is he'92. He's here. Chassis spends the winters in Chaska. Now and then he goes back to the range. But a fellow named Roger Deer, who knew him from Green Bay, has written a book about Johnny and Johnny. Also Wednesday night, the ceremony to induct the new U.S. hockey hall of Famers is at the River Center. And Johnny's gonna be there to present. Wonderful. Some of the awards. Zach Parisi is one of them. I saw Bruce Bennett on the list.

[Joe]

Really?

[Pat]

But not Bruce Bennett, the Duluth sportswriter who launched my career. But Bruce was a photographer of note in. I guess I don't know where he came from. So I wonder if they've ever put Gilbert in the Hockey hall of Fame. It's a little late now that he's passed away, but. But he definitely should be in the.

[Joe]

U.S. he was Mr. Hockey.

[Pat]

He was devoted. He was devoted to.

[Joe]

He loved to tell coaches how to run their Club.

[Pat]

Well, as the great Doug Woog said, he had Hallman and he had Gilbert covering him. He says one of them is my general manager and the other is my coach. And it kind of varies from week to week. But he was, he had no problem being told what he was doing wrong.

[Joe]

Hoogier took it well.

[Pat]

He did. He had a good sense of humor. So anyway. All right, Bob Moscow. By the way, this year's team, I just looked at the top 20. We ain't in it. That doesn't happen too often. They're off to a bad start, but they'll be back.

[Chris]

So why don't you sell us a car before we.

[Pat]

That's right. Jim Paul and Brett Paul Valley group of GM dealers. Guess what? You go out there, you get good tires and four wheel drive on the vehicles because it looks, it looks like one of them winners, doesn't it Joe? One of them winners. We don't like that. This is what a fellow wishes. He still owned a condo in Fort Myers, but what the hell. That's, that's, that's salt over the roads or something like that. Jim Paul and Brett Bo the SUVs out there are perfect. The Buick SUVs are perfect for this winter. We're going to have Jim Paul and Brett Paul's Valley group of GM dealers. Tremendous stock and inventory and also low interest rates, high rebates, factory rebates and financial people out there will make it happen for you. Go out Cedar, 147th street, take a right. Jim Paul and Brett Paul's Valley group of GM dealers. It's winners like this that you want. One of them SUVs.

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