MNST: We celebrate the 20th anniversary of Holy Cross upsetting the Gophers in the first round of the NCAA tournament

Summary

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Garage Logic – Episode Summary

MNST: Celebrating the 20th Anniversary of Holy Cross Upsetting the Gophers (March 24, 2026)

Podcast: Garage Logic
Host: Joe Soucheray ("The Mayor")
Regulars: Patrick Reusse, Eric
Theme: Marking 20 years since the historic Holy Cross hockey upset, with conversations sprawling through college athletics, NIL, the transfer portal, Minnesota sports, and poignant community memories.

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Overview

This episode of Garage Logic centers on the 20th anniversary of Holy Cross's shocking upset over the Minnesota Golden Gophers in the 2006 NCAA Hockey Tournament. The hosts reminisce about the game's aftermath and legacy, before broadening out to topics like coaching changes, the impact of NIL/transfer rules on college sports, local prep hoops, and recent news affecting the Minnesota sports community.

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1. The Holy Cross Upset: 20 Years Later

Setting the Scene

• The hosts open by reliving Holy Cross's 2006 overtime win against the Gophers, then a No. 1 seed, amplifying the shock value and how it reverberated across college hockey.
  • Patrick Reusse: "We were one seed, and they were 16." [03:46]
  • Joe: "Remember, all of the North Dakota fans were there to watch North Dakota play whoever in the next game. So they were all cheering like crazy." [03:50]

Pat Stirs the Pot

• Patrick shares how he relished delivering the news at the Metrodome for an NCAA basketball first-round event, ribbing Gophers fans.
  • Patrick: "I said, yeah. Four, three, Holy Cross." [04:41]
• Confirmation of the game's overtime ending and reflection on its context and meaning.
  • Joe: "That was before my time here. That was 2006... Didn't you... change your Twitter profile to the Holy Cross logo?" [04:52]
  • Patrick: “I agitate a little. Twenty years ago, I was a certifiable prick.” [03:58]

Don Lucia’s Changing Legacy

• Discussion shifts to Don Lucia, then-Gophers head coach, and how the upset altered his standing in Minnesota lore.
  • Patrick: "That Holy Cross game changed his image something fierce." [05:24]

Memorable Moment

• The crew chuckles about the Holy Cross student broadcasting crew maintaining professionalism amid the pandemonium.

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2. Coaching Rumors, Rosters, and Minnesota Hockey

Confusion Over Coaches

• Extended confusion over the new Huskies (St. Cloud State) coach’s identity—mixing up Brett and Bart Larson—broken down through lively, comical investigative banter.
  • Eric: “How many Bart Larson's are there?” [08:10]
  • Joe: "Are you sure it's not Brett Larson?" [08:11]
  • Patrick: “Maybe it is Brett Larson. It is Brett Larson. Excuse me.” [08:13]

NIL and the Transfer Portal

• Discussion on how NIL money and the transfer portal are fundamentally altering college athletics.
  • Eric: “This NIL has changed things. And the Portal has changed things.” [09:48]
  • Patrick: "The Portal has changed things." [09:53]
  • Eric: "Rick Patino... says you get one year meaning you have one year to put a team together because then you're going to lose somebody." [09:57]
  • Patrick: “Now we got a better no morals or ethics now whatsoever.” [10:39]
• Nostalgic story about past NCAA violations:
  • Patrick: "...63 of the Musselman 120 violations were Bill Klein's green Oldsmobile leaving the parking lot at Bierman with a player in." [10:02]

Changing Loyalty in College Sports

• Broad observations on the fast-moving collegiate sports landscape:
  • Eric: "How can you care about your school?" [12:13]
  • Patrick: "That's why teams now have general managers. They negotiate." [11:22]

Notable Quote

• Patrick: "[On Portal and NIL] The NCAA is so terrified of getting sued that they just pretty much let you do anything." [12:37]

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3. The Final Four & College Basketball Parity

The Era of Conference Powerhouses

• Hosts lament the lack of smaller schools making deep tournament runs.
  • Patrick: "You don't get the real nobody making the Sweet 16 anymore." [13:49]
  • Only major conference teams represented in the Sweet 16: "Last year it was 16 teams from either the Big 12, the Big 10, the ACC or the SEC." [13:49]

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4. Women’s College Basketball, UConn, and Legendary Coaching Rivalries

Geno, Calhoun, and Old Grudges

• Patrick recalls visiting UConn in '95, before Geno Auriemma’s first championship.
  • Patrick: "I'm looking at Geno and saying he looks a little older than when I sat in his office in Storrs, Connecticut for an hour." [15:17]
• Recap of famous animosity between Geno Auriemma and Jim Calhoun.
  • Patrick: "The great thing about that UConn visit is you discovered that Jim Calhoun and Gino Ariami, the Two very successful coaches hated each other really. And really didn't make a secret of it." [16:26]

The Hurley Family

• Light-hearted takes on UConn’s current coach and familial coaching eccentricities:
  • Patrick (on Danny Hurley): “He is certifiable. And the old, you know, the Hurley's old man. Bobby's crazy too.” [17:29]

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5. Minnesota High School Basketball & Scheduling Pet Peeves

Local Tourney Talk

• The crew discusses current state tournament games, odd scheduling decisions (morning games with massive draws), and bemoans lack of TV coverage.
  • Patrick: “They don't want to have the small towns have to come in and put them in a hotel.” [21:24]

Recent Scores

• Quick rundown of the day's winners (Tartan, Chaska, etc.) and casual box score banter.

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6. A Somber Note: Remembering Jessie

Tragedy in the Community

• The hosts reflect on the recent death of Jessie, a beloved figure in Minnesota sports media, sharing fond memories and tragedy’s impact.
  • Joe: "She used to do her show from this room..." [24:47]
  • Patrick: “She was a good kid. She really was.” [24:42]
  • Notable moment: Tampa Bay Lightning saved her a press box seat for their game in tribute. [26:41]
    • Joe: “Jess Meyers just tweeted out, by the way, that the Tampa Bay Lightning did save her a press box seat for tonight's game in Tampa. That's pretty cool.” [26:41]

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7. NHL/Wild and Roster Construction

Wild Roster Moves

• Discussion on Minnesota Wild’s recent acquisitions and the value of trading for top talent.
  • Patrick: “You got one of the two greatest defensemen in the world.” [29:17]
  • Eric: “Boldy, Caprisov, Hughes and E.K. you got five guys. I've said they got five of the 25 or 30 best players in a league.” [30:34-30:40]

Faceoff Fixation

• Wild fans’ “paranoia” over faceoff stats and the impact of adding size to the lineup.

Playoff Fears

• Challenges posed by the division’s strength, with teams like Dallas and Colorado standing in the way.

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8. Twins Baseball Outlook & Spring Training Observations

Lack of Optimism

• Low excitement for the Twins’ opening day and concerns about the roster, referencing the recent trade for James Outman.
  • Patrick: “Has there ever been less anticipation. It's unbelievable.” [33:11]
  • Joe: “She's gonna be a long summer at the yard.” [34:49]

AL Central vs. AL East

• American League’s competitive imbalance is explored, predicting difficulties for AL Central teams.

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9. Vikings, NFL Draft, and the Coaching Staff Explosion

Quarterback Training & Mockery

• Good-natured ribbing about the Vikings’ backup QB situation and developmental projects.
  • Eric: “What does Wentz tell you? That means JJ, you’re gone, doesn't it?" [36:32]
  • Patrick (on QB superstitions): “Especially when you shouldn't have an imaginary friend and you shouldn't have war paint when you're playing poorly.” [37:00]

Nostalgia for Bud Grant’s Era

• Comparing the heavy modern NFL assistant staff (nearly 30 assistants) with Bud Grant’s minimalist approach.
  • Patrick: "I don't know what the hell they do with all these assistants... Bud had five, and one of them was in charge of getting refrigerators." [39:18]

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Highlighted Quotes & Moments

• Patrick on sports culture then vs. now:

  • “Now we got a better no morals or ethics now whatsoever.” [10:39]
  • "It's astounding though, isn't it, that these guys, between them, what Nick's been in a league for 16 years and the other guy’s been... They will never have played together until tonight if they get on the line together." [28:01]

• On Don Lucia & the Holy Cross legacy:

  • "That Holy Cross game changed his image something fierce." [05:24]

• On NIL/portal:

  • “The NCAA is so terrified of getting sued that they just pretty much let you do anything.” [12:37]

• On Bud Grant/old staff practices:

  • "Bud had five, and one of them was in charge of getting refrigerators. You know, Buzz Merzys was in charge of making sure nobody paid retail for anything." [39:18]

• On Jessie’s legacy:

  • "She'd be the kind of gal that would want to sit at the bar, have a beer and talk hockey." [25:07]

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Notable Segments (Timestamps)

• 03:14 – Reliving the Holy Cross upset
• 05:22 – Don Lucia’s coaching legacy post-upset
• 09:38 – NIL and transfer portal shakeup in college sports
• 13:49 – Power conference domination in basketball
• 16:26 – Geno Auriemma and Jim Calhoun rivalry
• 24:40 – Remembrance of Jessie
• 28:48 – Minnesota Wild’s roster philosophy
• 33:11 – Twins’ season outlook
• 37:00 – Vikings’ QB room and coaching staff commentary

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Tone & Style

Conversational, nostalgic, and biting in classic Garage Logic fashion—mixing sharp sports insights, playful banter, and a heavy dose of Minnesota-centric perspective.

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For Listeners/Newcomers

This episode is a lively sports roundtable, anchored in a legendary moment of college hockey history but sweeping across contemporary issues and past glories in Minnesota sports. You’ll get candid takes on changes in college athletics, heartfelt community remembrances, and the dry wit Garage Logic is known for. If you haven’t listened, the summary should offer a clear path through the episode’s best moments—and why the Holy Cross upset will never die in Gopher fans’ memories.

Transcript

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[Joe]

sir, here we go.

[Patrick Reusse]

Come on. Here.

[Joe]

Are you ready?

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Joe]

20 years ago today.

[Patrick Reusse]

Finally able to regroup. Then it's poked away by Burke, who takes over, pushes it up ahead to McGregor. Holy Cross coming down with a three on two. McGregor from the right side, centering feet.

[Eric]

Is that at the xl? No, no.

[Patrick Reusse]

Grand Forks, I think was made it better. Knocked out the Minnesota Golden Goers, and

[Eric]

that's when the Gophers were the king.

[Patrick Reusse]

We were one seed, and they were 16.

[Joe]

Remember, all of the North Dakota fans were there to watch North Dakota play whoever in the next game. So they were all cheering like crazy.

[Patrick Reusse]

Hell for. And you know What? I was 20 years ago, and I'm a nice guy now. I mean, I'm a good guy. I. I agitate a little. I agitate a little bit. Twenty years ago, I was a certifiable prick.

[Eric]

Because you did have a little fun with that.

[Patrick Reusse]

There was a Met. There was an NCAA Baske first round at the Metrodome, and all these Gopher fans were there when Gophers weren't there. I mean, they were there just as spectators, and they were all saying. And they were all wondering how the Gopher. They keep asking because you're sitting up there, how'd the Gophers come out? How the Gophers come out? And. And then I said something. I said, yeah. Four, three, Holy Cross.

[Eric]

Was that in overtime?

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Patrick Reusse]

I think it was overtime.

[Joe]

Remind me, Pat. That was before my time here. That was 2006, shortly before my time here. Didn't you. Then the next time the Gophers were the number one overall seed, didn't you change your Twitter profile to the Holy Cross logo or something like that?

[Eric]

Twitter didn't exist in 06.

[Joe]

No, this was like the next time

[Patrick Reusse]

they would have been next time.

[Joe]

They were so 2010 or something like that.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. I mean, it's hockey. It's, you know, but poor. I mean, that was.

[Eric]

Who was the coach?

[Patrick Reusse]

Don and Don had won. Don had won national titles in 02 and 03, and we hadn't. Those are the only ones they've ever won outside of Herbie. And that's true. And so we still had good thoughts about Don. And that Holy Cross game changed his image something fierce.

[Joe]

I do love the. The Student play by play crew that we're trying to maintain professionalism.

[Eric]

Well, I take it it was a Holy Cross crew we're listening to.

[Joe]

Yes, it was.

[Patrick Reusse]

Was that. Who would have been, I wonder, was that Frank and Wally back then?

[Joe]

Oh, heavens, yes.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, it would have been Frank and Wally. They might have had a bit a little more somber when that occurred, but I think they were doing radio then. They weren't. Did we have them then? We might have had them.

[Joe]

That was. Like I said, that was before my time. I don't. I don't recall.

[Patrick Reusse]

I don't know if we did have the Gophers in or not.

[Joe]

I do remember that they had another not significant like that, but they had another upset in the first round because I was running the board for that in the other producers room.

[Eric]

Tell me about the new coach, Brett Larson.

[Patrick Reusse]

Bart Larson. Bart. He was.

[Eric]

He played for the Gophers, didn't he?

[Patrick Reusse]

Boy, I have to look. You might be right, but he had a good team. I was up in Fargo with a Moscow team that maybe won a. Got to the finals. I think they went to the Frozen four. I know the Gophers, but I was up there with them and St. Cloud won the first round game and I think. I think the Gophers had to beat St. Cloud to go to the Frozen four. He had a real good team then, but the last three years they've been not good. They have not made the tournament. They've been under 500 and you know, they're in the. They're in the real league. They're not in the ccha. They're in the nchc, which is North Dakota and those boys.

[Joe]

I'm seeing that he was a member of the 1980, 81 men's ice hockey roster.

[Patrick Reusse]

Has he been around that long?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Patrick Reusse]

Wow. So how old is he then? He played then. He's in the mid-50s and looks to be. Yeah.

[Joe]

From Bloomington, Minnesota.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, I know he was being pushed hard by a lot of former Gophers. So what.

[Joe]

What year was he was born in?

[Patrick Reusse]

1950 Gopher team. Was he on this?

[Joe]

The university's website is the 8081team. I don't know if he played more

[Patrick Reusse]

than that or not. Maybe that's why Pat Mitteletti is such a big fan of his.

[Eric]

Do the math for me. Would he be 62, born in 1958?

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh, that can't be him. He's not that old. He's not that old.

[Joe]

Oh, is that a different Bart Larson?

[Patrick Reusse]

I don't know, but it can't be. He can't be that old.

[Eric]

Well, just tell me this. If you were born in 1958, how old are you today?

[Joe]

You'd be 68.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, he ain't 68.

[Eric]

68, not 62.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, we got a different part. Larson.

[Eric]

How many Bart Larson's are there?

[Joe]

Are you sure it's not Brett Larson?

[Patrick Reusse]

Maybe it is Brett Larson. It is Brett Larson. Excuse me.

[Joe]

Well, Brett is 53 years old.

[Patrick Reusse]

Okay.

[Joe]

And he played for the UMD Bulldogs.

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh, that's right. Yes, I remember that.

[Eric]

So who's the coach?

[Patrick Reusse]

Brett or Bart? Brett.

[Joe]

Brett was.

[Patrick Reusse]

I don't know what happened to Bart, but we, we wish him the best.

[Joe]

We do wish him well. I hope he just like Tom Kelly, which is Danny Valencia. Well, we list Bart Larson.

[Lisa (Licensed Psychotherapist)]

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[Joe]

the St. Cloud state Huskies from 2018 to 2026. Before that an assistant with UMD, Ohio State and the Sioux City Musketeers.

[Eric]

I'll be damned. That's a good name.

[Joe]

The Musketeers and my San Diego Gulls.

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh, the Gulls look out for St. Cloud to hire a young man, Nate Oliver, who's an assistant to Hastings over in Wisconsin, but was an assistant to this guy beforehand and then he coached the Fargo something and they won the title. And they got to get a young guy without much money who's willing to just work his arse off because they. You know what they need? Helps in trouble. They need themselves multi. Multi million dollars millionaire with a strong.

[Joe]

They need a Glenn Taylor fondness for

[Patrick Reusse]

the Huskies because they got not much going on.

[Eric]

Do hockey players get nil money?

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, they can. And they are at Penn State, Michigan and some of those places. And they're getting some here, but not much.

[Eric]

This nil has changed things. And the Portal has changed things.

[Patrick Reusse]

The Portal has changed things.

[Eric]

Rick Patino, I read a piece about him today.

[Patrick Reusse]

One year.

[Eric]

He says you get one year meaning you have one year to put a team together because then you're going to lose somebody.

[Patrick Reusse]

You know when you're old Joe, when you remember that it was an NCAA violation crime when Flip Saunders drove the green Oldsmobile out of the parking lot at Bierman to go downtown and get a hamburger. And each time he did that, it was a separate violation. I believe 63 of the Musselman 120 violations were Bill Klein's green Oldsmobile leaving the parking lot at Bierman with a player in.

[Eric]

Unbelievable.

[Patrick Reusse]

Now we got a better no morals

[Eric]

or ethics now whatsoever.

[Patrick Reusse]

No, no, not at all. And you know what you do when your eligibility Is completely exhausted. You sue him again and try to get it that Jerry kills quarterback for life. Diego, he was sued. Gonna try to sue him again.

[Joe]

Well, the oldest kid did it too.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. He lost though, didn't he?

[Joe]

I don't remember.

[Patrick Reusse]

I think one of them lost, but yeah, they. Well, the Ole Miss guy came back from Europe, didn't he? Was playing pro ball in Europe.

[Eric]

Is the portal directly connected to nil? In other words, the reason you leave is you're getting more money.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yes. Yes. And that's why teams now have general managers. They negotiate.

[Eric]

I thought they were leaving for. Because they like the academic lineup better.

[Patrick Reusse]

Wait, I got them right here. Yes. Yes.

[Joe]

That's why we lost our guy Perich to the Oregon ducks.

[Patrick Reusse]

Supposedly got 2 million bucks for not a year. I think football.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Eric]

Yeah, 2 million bucks.

[Patrick Reusse]

But I think 1 million this year and 1 million next year. But the other thing is these guys are all dishonest. They'll make like these goofy agents or whatever they are, will make a two year, $3 million there deal and then the guy will have a better year and better offers to come in. And they just lay. They say, forget that. Forget that second year. Well, we're going somepl.

[Joe]

Who was the one quarterback.

[Patrick Reusse]

People still try to act like that's.

[Eric]

How can you care about your school.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, I don't know. I see Fleck today was saying he really likes his new coaching staff. Well, that's good because he has a new one every two years. So that's. That's good.

[Joe]

Who was the. Who was the quarterback? Was it Tennessee? He basically accepted three different nil deals within the span of about six months. He kept getting a better deal. And they finally said, you can't. No, you can't do that.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, it's. But you can. I mean, the NCAA is so terrified of getting sued that they just pretty much let you do anything. It is, it is. But I. You still get these, these texts and messages. Flex. Doing it the right, good, right way. They have. They have great academics. Okay. They got 19 tutors who pay. You know, all we had was poor Jan Gangloff. All Clem had was his secretary handed out papers on the menstrual cycle. And it was the greatest scandal. It was a Pulitzer prize winning scandal. And now we got 12 tutors hand walking these people through their academics over there.

[Joe]

Wasn't it Courtney James that when being investigated by the police said, have you run this by Coach Haskins? Well, Courtney is a bit above Clemson jurisdiction.

[Eric]

So when we get to the Final Four you're going to be looking at four teams that will be completely different next year.

[Patrick Reusse]

A good chance. Yeah, good chance.

[Eric]

I don't like this.

[Patrick Reusse]

Also, Joe, what you don't get, you don't get the real nobody making the Sweet 16 anymore. Last year it was 16 teams from either the Big 12, the Big 10, the ACC or the SEC. You know, the four major conferences. This year is 14 from those two conferences, four conferences, and then two from the Big east, which is St. John's and who else made it from the Big East? There's two Big east teams.

[Joe]

Uconn.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. Uconn. Yeah, uconn. So those two teams made it. And. But. So they're big. You know what? I. You know what? I was watching a little TV yesterday and I saw Gino on the sideline. And by the way, that the excitement of the women's basketball, some of those games was very, was very limited. And this is a second round game last yesterday against Syracuse, which used to be in the same conference as UConn, but I think they've lost 27 in a row to them. And yesterday they trailed 67 to 12. And this is in A. This is in the second round. But I'm looking at Geno and saying he looks a little older than when I sat in his office in Storrs, Connecticut for an hour. But he didn't have any championships then. He's got 13 now or 12 now going for 13. So wow. But that was 95 when he won his first year. I was out there in January and. And you know.

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[Patrick Reusse]

The great thing about that UConn visit is you discovered that Jim Calhoun and Gino Ariami, the Two very successful coaches hated each other really. And really didn't make a secret of it. Calhoun. Calhoun, you go in there and talk to him. He didn't even know me. And he said, this women's basketball is a bunch of crap. You're playing nobody. And everybody's giving him all these credits. And he says they're the only ones that take it serious. And, you know, it was. It was. It was.

[Joe]

Yeah, we need somebody a little more stable like Danny Hurley.

[Patrick Reusse]

Danny Hurley. I forgot that he turned down the Lakers. Oh, yeah, what a five year, millions of dollars deal. But he wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes. He. He would have LA. Cause the NBA wouldn't take.

[Joe]

He had said. I think I heard him interviewed. It might have been Dan Patrick or somebody. Said, I just wanted the college basketball world to continue to have my stability because he's nuts.

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh, God, he is certifiable. And the old, you know, the Hurley's old man. Bobby's crazy too. And hey, congratulations to our guy, Eric Curry. Yes, he gave Bobby Hurley his last collegiate technical. Bobby second and the last game. But Bobby's like a little bit crazy, but Danny's crazy. But their father, legendary high school coach in some Catholic school in New York, I bet back. And this was back before they had sportsmanship rules. You know, you can just do anything you. I bet he was the worst guy to handle when you see these two kids, because Danny's certifiable. He is certifiable.

[Joe]

Over the weekend, the 30 for 30 of I Hate Christian Laettner was on ESPN. And so Bobby was being interviewed. Patrick's favorite coach, K, was being interviewed on this. And they have Laettner there, who's gotta be now in his 50s, I would guess at all. And he's sitting there watching highlights and his son, who's got to be 10, is watching with him. And he said. He said, dad, these guys don't like. He's like, yeah, that was my plan. Like this whole thing was a mission.

[Patrick Reusse]

Apparently he's become a decent guy.

[Joe]

Yeah, he was great in this.

[Patrick Reusse]

30 for 30. You gotta watch it.

[Joe]

It's really good.

[Patrick Reusse]

What a jackass he was. He was the worst. He had him and Ryder at the same time.

[Joe]

Oh, God.

[Patrick Reusse]

One guy was out at three in the morning, running up and down Lake street, you know, hanging out with whoever, and then the other guy just, you know. But still one of my favorite quotes ever, which was unusable. But when the Gophers are playing them and the Sweet 16 Clems, the first year they went in and we're at the Duke practice. It's in. It wasn't. It was. It wasn't in Raleigh. It might have been. It was in one of those places. Not Charlotte, but it was somewhere in North Carolina. And. And the. Clem's gonna play the Dukes, right?

[Joe]

I can't remember.

[Patrick Reusse]

Clem was in that same one. That's why I was down there. But we're talking to all the Duke guys and Leitner's the superstar. Then this was. And. And somebody was saying something about, you know, you get off the bus and all those girls are yelling. All those girls are yelling for Christian and blah, blah. He says, christian girls? Really? Something like that.

[Joe]

Then he said, no, no, that can't be printed.

[Patrick Reusse]

But he was a freshman. Yeah.

[Eric]

You know where he lived when he was here on the 15th hole at Indian Hills.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. For a while. And they played out there, too, right? I think he played. I guess I never saw him, but yeah. Yeah, he just. I was in. I was in Lexington, upstairs in my hotel room when he was playing Kentucky and Philadelphia and hit that shot. And the people down in the lobby, you could hear the building shake with anger, shrieks of horror. When they got beat, I mean, it was like downtown. My windows were closed. It was March. And I could hear the.

[Joe]

Because that was a pretty good Kentucky team.

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh, it was a great Kentucky team. Yeah. And, you know, they had him beat and he threw that one in. Yeah. God, he was unbelievable.

[Eric]

Do you know that we have four. Four A basketball games today?

[Patrick Reusse]

Yes.

[Commercial Announcer]

Really?

[Eric]

Is it four? How many classes we got?

[Patrick Reusse]

We got four classes and the Minnesota State High School League.

[Eric]

Nothing's on tv.

[Patrick Reusse]

No, I don't think so. No.

[Eric]

And they're all afternoon.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yes. I'm going tonight to see Jackson play Albany. But. But here's the deal, Joe. They've been doing this now for four years because they're so cheap. They don't want to have the small towns have to come in and put them in a hotel. Right.

[Joe]

Oh, God.

[Patrick Reusse]

So for years they have played the first four A game, which one year was Hopkins and Apple Valley or something that might have put 12,000 people in there at 10am on Wednesday, you know, and they've never changed it. They've never changed it.

[Eric]

As we speak, Wisetta is playing Apple Valley.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yes.

[Eric]

Today.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. And they probably already had a game

[Eric]

at 10am they had a game at 10, at noon, at 2 and 4.

[Patrick Reusse]

Who played at 10?

[Eric]

Tartan and Blaine played at 10, Lakeville south and Chaska at noon.

[Patrick Reusse]

That probably was Lakeville south and Chaska might have put 10,000 in for a night game.

[Eric]

Wayzata and Apple Valley right now and then Maple Grove and Alexandria at 4 o'. Clock. What are you talking about tonight? There aren't any high school games tonight, are there? Oh yeah, are not in the grid on the Tribune.

[Patrick Reusse]

Well, does that surprise you?

[Eric]

No. Maybe that was a deadline problem.

[Patrick Reusse]

The tonight we have. We have two.

[Eric]

Are we 3A tonight?

[Patrick Reusse]

Double A. We got two double A's at at Williams arena and two double A's at Target Center.

[Joe]

Okay, tonight I'm looking for a score for you guys. Bear with me.

[Eric]

When is this thing on tv?

[Patrick Reusse]

Thursday you don't go. Nobody gets on TV till the semis.

[Eric]

I believe that'll be Friday and Saturday then.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, Thursday. Thursday some of the semis are on tv.

[Eric]

How many semis are there? That's a memorized to ask you that one time. And you said there's two.

[Joe]

That's right.

[Patrick Reusse]

No, but. But when they all four classes get down to then they got some teams are playing on on Thursday night and I don't know what it is, it's.

[Eric]

I hate it.

[Joe]

Tartan did beat Blaine 72 to 44.

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh man.

[Joe]

Chaska beat Lakeville South 71 to 33. Those are the only reported finals I can see.

[Eric]

So these winners will be in the semis.

[Patrick Reusse]

I think Lakeville south was a surprise entry. I think they.

[Joe]

Weren't they also in the hockey. Weren't they in for hockey as well?

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh, well, sure. You know, I can't remember. I don't know. But anyway. How about that Jackson thing? Car accident down there. Did you see those vehicles?

[Eric]

The occupants of both vehicles knew each other.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, and the bus driver was the one that pulled out. Who pulled out? He didn't have a. He wasn't supposed to be driving that thing.

[Eric]

There's a lot of weird death going on.

[Patrick Reusse]

Well, nothing worse than Jessie.

[Joe]

Yeah, that was pretty bad. You did a piece on her?

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. She was a good kid.

[Joe]

She really was.

[Patrick Reusse]

You just did you. Where did you.

[Joe]

Well, she used to do her show from this room when. When Score north launched, when we built this studio, she would come down here. Not all the time, but she would come down here on occasion.

[Patrick Reusse]

She's still on Judd's podcast. Hockey pun.

[Joe]

She was really cool. I really liked it.

[Patrick Reusse]

She was. Because she was. She was a very confident lady and

[Joe]

well, as I told the boys, she'd be the kind of gal that would want to sit at the bar, have a beer and talk hockey.

[Eric]

It made the national news.

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh, God. I bet they end up the amount of money they're gonna. You know. But the last picture. I think the picture we ran today with my column is her and the three kids at the. At the season opener at the cup and cone in White Bear Lake.

[Eric]

No, the picture they ran with your column is her and the three kids and dad.

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh, okay. Right there on the website. Was the one of them eat and ice cream on the Instagram? I think they were. Because Friday was the. They got the ice cream stand there. And Friday was the season opener, I guess. And she got home from hockey practice and her kids were there and she took them 8, 6 and 4. This is. This is so horrid. You cannot.

[Eric]

What the hell happened? We don't know.

[Patrick Reusse]

We still don't know. I'm thinking I don't know anything about it, but. Gas leak. Everybody's sleeping because of the gas leak. And then it blows. Maybe. I don't know.

[Eric]

Because a dog will usually get you going.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Right.

[Patrick Reusse]

So the dog probably got knocked out too. And then the. It was kind of a. Older.

[Eric]

You could have jumped out the window of the upstairs and you wouldn't have broken anything. No.

[Patrick Reusse]

And White Bear Lake has a lot of those wooden houses from the 50s, 60s. Yeah. And that looked like this wasn't on the lake, but it looked like it was not. Maybe that's three, four blocks away.

[Joe]

Jess Meyers just tweeted out, by the way, that the Tampa Bay Lightning did save her a press box seat for tonight's game in Tampa. That's pretty cool.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah.

[Eric]

That's where our Fighting Wild will be tonight.

[Patrick Reusse]

They did. Although Justin Jesse didn't go on the road with them. My two Wild often, so.

[Joe]

Oh, that's true.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. But. But it was a good gesture.

[Joe]

Very classy gesture.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. Good gesture. What do we do?

[Joe]

We pick.

[Eric]

What do we do? We don't do anything. The deadline, the games at past.

[Patrick Reusse]

Jess is on the road with them though. Unlike another newspaper. I know. As far as the Wild Riders concerned, we're. We're not traveling much.

[Eric]

I still think they're going to go deep in the playoffs.

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh yeah. I like them a lot. They're the other yesterday, all 26 on the ice.

[Eric]

Same with today at the pre Skate in Tampa. But we don't know if the Commie's

[Patrick Reusse]

playing X back, Caprisov's back, Felino's back to play with his brother. Yep. That'll be. Who's going to center that line? I don't know. That'll be Fun playing between those two guys. Yeah. Got his brother. I was around his brother for like six minutes. What a great guy he is. I mean, he's 38 years old and still making money. I'm sure he's easy to be a great guy, but. But he was, you know, a character. It's. It's astounding though, isn't it, that these guys, between them, what Nick's been in A league for 16 years and the other guys been. They never, they will never have played together until tonight if they get on the line together.

[Eric]

Did you see the hit that Dallas put on Quinn Hughes the other day?

[Patrick Reusse]

Yes.

[Eric]

And I thought, oh, because he didn't get up.

[Patrick Reusse]

So did.

[Eric]

Then he got up and he played.

[Patrick Reusse]

So did Garren. Yeah, Garon and I talked about that for a minute yesterday.

[Eric]

Oh, I thought he was. I thought it was a head injury.

[Patrick Reusse]

Every time I see him, I say, how the hell did you get that guy? Yeah, who traded him? Why would you trade him? There's nothing you can get that makes it worthwhile for you to trade him now. Maybe they didn't think they could pay him and he wasn't going to stay in Vancouver after next year, but my God, no.

[Eric]

First rounders would be.

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh, no, no.

[Eric]

I mean, that's just a roll of the dice with the.

[Patrick Reusse]

Some of the wild experts. Like, well, you're giving up. He doesn't care about draft choices. But.

[Eric]

But you think they care about this year.

[Patrick Reusse]

You're giving up Z and some other guy and. Yeah.

[Joe]

Was it Rossi? Did we give up Ross?

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, Rossi, who they never liked and a first round pick, but so what, right? You got one of them.

[Joe]

You got a guy.

[Patrick Reusse]

You got a guy. You got one of the two greatest defenseman in the world.

[Eric]

Yep.

[Patrick Reusse]

And he's 26. Something like that. That's.

[Eric]

See, they now have three guy. Yeah, they got the commie. They got Eck.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And well, I'm gonna say they got five guy.

[Patrick Reusse]

Ian Jacques might not have got along though. Right. Because Jack likes to put back down. He doesn't like you to rush that puck up to the front. You're supposed to kind of kill some time. This guy's down here playing around Faber favor's a guy. I don't care what anybody says, acts a guy. Great defenders.

[Eric]

They got five fantastic Boston player. Help me name some guys.

[Joe]

The Boston player.

[Eric]

I want to say Dolby. It's not Dolby.

[Patrick Reusse]

The one we just got.

[Eric]

No, he's. He's. He's played for the US in the Olympics.

[Joe]

Oh, Baldy.

[Eric]

Baldi. So Baldi's a guy. Baldi's favor's a guy.

[Joe]

You know why Baldi's a guy?

[Eric]

Can I finish naming these five before I forget it?

[Joe]

His mom works at the bar. That means because they were all cheering during the olympics.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. There's five of them that I favor.

[Eric]

Boldy, Caprisov, Hughes and E.K. you got five guy.

[Patrick Reusse]

I've said they got five of the 25 or 30 best players. Yeah. In a league. People get mad at me when they say. I say that. I said. They said, act doesn't belong there. I said, there's nobody in the league that wants to be on the ice when he's on the ice because he's in their face and he's big and mean and might even score a goal. But he's a.

[Eric]

And when you face off.

[Patrick Reusse]

Great. Yep. Great defender, too, by the way, McCarron, the 6. 6 guy. Yep. 6. 6 is really tall. When you're on skates, it gives you another 2 inches. They're skating around out there at practice, and all of a sudden, you know, Kareem Abdul Jabbar comes skating. This guy's the tallest thing I've ever seen.

[Eric]

He's like that Florida basketball player when he's sitting on the bench. He towers above everybody else when he's sitting.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. I said to Karen, I said, said what? How. How slow is he that you could get him? Then he said, he not that slow. No, I said, well, how. Why did he want to get rid of him? I wanted to win.

[Eric]

Well, is it. Aren't they just renting him?

[Patrick Reusse]

I mean, probably, yeah, but. But the face offs, you know, he wins face offs, too. A big face. But wild fans, very paranoid about face offs because they want us to win 52% of them instead of 48. I know. I don't quite get it, but that was the big thing from him. But I can tell that he's extremely confident with this collection to go into the. But then again, Dallas, Colorado, it's a piece of misfortune that you're in the same division with the other two best teams in the league, that the three best teams in the league are in the same division and they have to end up playing each other. It's. It's unfortunate.

[Eric]

And then the winner of that probably has to play the best team in the league.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yes.

[Eric]

Colorado.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. If they indeed. Hold on. Dallas was real. That was a bad loss for Dallas, by the way. Dallas must. I was listening to the broadcast, and when they were doing the Game Saturday from the fellas. Dallas is really defensive oriented. They don't they want to beat you 2 to 1, I guess.

[Eric]

Well Patrick, I see opening day Thursday, Joe.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. Oh boy. Has there ever been less anticipation. It's unbelievable. And I gotta get on these. James Altman, Joe, last year we got him in which trade?

[Joe]

That's where we sent the relief pitcher to the Dodgers.

[Patrick Reusse]

Wasn't that oh Rock Stewart?

[Joe]

Brock Stewart subsequently got hurt about a week after we traded.

[Patrick Reusse]

But they still got the best of the deal. But James Outman left handed here like two years, three years ago. He had a good year. Last year is terrible, Joe. He had 104 plate appearances for the Twins and struck out 45 times last year. Now this spring they have Walker Jenkins. The left handed hitting outfielders are best prospect. Emmanuel Rodriguez, a left handed hitting outfielder is their second best prospect. Both of them have injury problems. Then they got Walner, Larnick Roden, Larnick Walner. But who else have we got? We got another.

[Joe]

Wasn't it Roden, the guy we got

[Patrick Reusse]

from the Blue Jays? We got from the Blue Jays. And somehow they had to keep Altman because he was out of options. The options is to sell him to Mexico. You know he's on the roster. What are they doing for you know they're gonna lose this game. He just whoosh, whoosh, whoosh.

[Eric]

What do you got him down for 72 games?

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, about that. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

She's gonna be a long summer at the yard.

[Eric]

He can get a ticket.

[Joe]

Yes you can.

[Eric]

A good ticket.

[Patrick Reusse]

I just heard the, the. The odds on the over and under for the odds and base and kind of like the our division in hockey. I think the four shortest odds to win a go to the World Series are all in the AL East. Everybody at the you know the AL east is.

[Joe]

Oh, the shortest odds. I'm sorry.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah, the shortest odds of them to go to the world. You know they Yankees, Blue Jays, Red Sox and Orioles and then Tampa that was probably would have a chance to win the center finish second in the Central has got to play all those teams.

[Eric]

Or did I read that JJ McCarthy is training with some quarterback specialist somewhere

[Patrick Reusse]

California maybe They're figuring out is the basically the way through the form of throwing the football. Isn't that what I read?

[Joe]

I thought it was mostly we got to work on the post snap. He was very good.

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh God.

[Eric]

Pre snap is covered.

[Patrick Reusse]

Last year. Last year. Last year the pre snap was exquisite. Exquisite. He could count. He really, he really could go hut 1.

[Eric]

He's very good at 2.

[Patrick Reusse]

Hut 3. Look around like he's seeing something we didn't realize he wasn't.

[Eric]

But now we're working on when he has the actual ball in his hands.

[Patrick Reusse]

We're working on that. Yeah, we're working on that. But we're. We're so confident in it. We've brought in two veteran quarterbacks to be. We.

[Eric]

What does Wentz tell you? That means jj, you're gone, doesn't it?

[Patrick Reusse]

No, he'll be around. I. Well, I don't. I have. Somebody wants to give him a third rounder. They'd probably.

[Joe]

That's just it. I don't think they'd get anything for

[Patrick Reusse]

him, is the problem. No. There could be some goofy.

[Eric]

Maybe this guru will work a miracle and he'll never know. You know? You never know.

[Joe]

You know, we need to get rid of too. Let's. Let's maybe dial back on the John Randall war paint as a quarterback. That's just.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah. Especially when you're. You know, you shouldn't have an imaginary friend and you shouldn't have war paint when you're playing poorly.

[Eric]

What's the imaginary friend?

[Patrick Reusse]

Number nine. Number nine is an alter ego that takes over when he gets out there. It's kind of a superhero.

[Eric]

If I heard that, I'm the gm.

[Patrick Reusse]

He's gone.

[Joe]

He's dialed in. That means dialed into what? We're not sure.

[Patrick Reusse]

Right. Yeah. Are you sure that was a nine. One one? I don't know. It's. It is funny though, to see these guys. I didn't. I don't. I guess Kwesi probably didn't deserve firing because I had no idea they got in that bad a salary cap trouble. Oh, yeah, because two years ago they had all the money they wanted. They wanted. And then they all of a sudden they. They blew it on all those offensive linemen. I guess. I don't.

[Joe]

Anyway, you know, we're almost a month away from the draft.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You got draft fever yet?

[Eric]

I never have had it and I hope I never get it.

[Patrick Reusse]

Bring back Bud. Yeah, bring back Bud. There was no mention you'd have the draft. Then they'd bring him out. And then Bud would have a day and a half minicamp, which he. None of this off season workout crap. You know, I think the building was closed there if somebody wanted to work and. Yeah, Bud. And then the latest possible opening of the camp.

[Eric]

Well, now there's for that. For the office staff. There is no brief. It's just year round.

[Patrick Reusse]

Well, Joe, I think we're up To. I think we had 22 assistants last year and we added some.

[Eric]

I find that to be a problem with the serious. No, serious problem.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yes.

[Eric]

There's too many voices.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yes, yes. But they, you know, they've added all these. You can only have what, identify like 12 of them as position coaches, but then you can have all the quality control assistants. And I think it was 22, and I think they added six or seven. I think they're almost 30. Me. Assistance. What do you do? What do you. Bud. One of the last great conversations I had with him was when he. They hired this guy and he was sitting out there. I don't know what the hell they do with all these assistants. I don't know what they do with them. You know, I don't know. Yeah, well, Bud had five, and one of them was in charge of getting refrigerators. You know, Buzz Merzys was in charge of making sure nobody paid retail for anything.

[Eric]

Buzz would stuff his pockets. Dinner rolls, leaving the plane.

[Patrick Reusse]

Feed the dog. Yeah, feed the dogs. When he got home. Now, now we got 29 of them. And this guy's. This guy might be the most sensitive they've ever had. I haven't dealt with him, but the. The people who are out there all the time. He's very conscious. Conscious of anything that's said unkindly about him.

[Eric]

O'.

[Patrick Reusse]

Connell.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah, you think he's sensitive?

[Patrick Reusse]

Oh, yeah. He's had some 50 minute off the record meetings where he's with the reporters, where he cited things that were written and had a list of stuff.

[Eric]

Yeah, that doesn't. That doesn't bode well. He's got to get over that if he wants.

[Patrick Reusse]

Somebody told me that Sue Ann accused him of a word salad a couple weeks ago. He got very upset about that.

[Eric]

Surprised me. That should be the least of your problems.

[Patrick Reusse]

Yes. Yes, it should. Yeah. Anyway.

[Eric]

All right.

[Patrick Reusse]

All right.

[Eric]

See ya.

[Patrick Reusse]

Hey, that was quick.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host 1]

Hey, garage logicians, stick around. For a preview of this week's American Experiment podcast. We're covering the DFL's proposal to create a new tax on ICE agents, the continuing debate over earmarks for nonprofits, or as I like to call it, corruption, and then a firestorm of top hits from the Capitol that you won't want to miss. On the back half, we're talking to Bill Walsh about our brand new polling on Minnesotans views towards immigration since Operation Metro Surge. We got everything you need to know in here, starting with the DFL proposing to tax ICE agents. They have a whole bunch of bills that They've proposed aiming at ICE agents in particular things that have to do with trying to rein in the federal government. Things that are clearly not legal or irrelevant now that this is kind of over.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, but really good pr.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes, but really good pr. So on Wednesday, a bill in the House Taxes Committee would require those agents who weren't Minnesota residents but made more than $15,000 in wages while working here to file a Minnesota tax return. They think they could bring in $600,000 this way. Democrats argue that the whole operation cost a lot in state and local resources, so these agents should pay their fair share. Minnesotans will effectively subsidize a federal enforcement operation that they did not request and that they do not support, said Representative Athena Hollins. Moreover, enforcing this requirement sends an important message. Minnesota will not allow its tax base to be eroded by temporary federal deployments that shift costs on our communities. Well, Minnesota taxes non resident income already, and that applies to federal government employees. Currently, a person needs to earn about 15,000 from Minnesota Sources to be required to file and remit as a non resident. That would apply to any ICE officer who's here long enough to meet that threshold too. However, the bill creates separate treatment for the ICE officers, subjecting them to tax on the first dollar of their income. So while Minnesotans tax authorities can make federal law enforcement abide by the same rules they impose on everyone else, obviously legally they cannot against them. And yet they propose this bill anyway.

[Podcast Host 2]

They have to treat ICE officers the same as professional athletes, basically, is what this is. Because we talk about this a lot, I think. Actually our economist John Phelan does a lot of work on professional sports and incomes. And when a professional athlete comes to town and works in our town, plays a basketball game or a hockey game or a football game or whatever, they certainly make more than 15,000. Many of them do, even if you split their income, millions of dollars over the course of a game. So they. All these guys, these guys that play professional sports have accountants that have to split up their estate income tax around the country.

[Podcast Host 1]

So it just impacts all kinds of people. Lawyers, pilots, like pilots don't like flying to California because they have to separate that out at a higher level.

[Podcast Host 2]

So of course we're gonna single out ICE activity because it's worse than all those other things. I just disagree with the premise. Of course, her premise is that that ICE came and came and then all these costs were borne by state and local governments because ICE came to town. If ICE comes to town and does their job and there are no protests, no one knows ICE is here, they'd make their arrest. There's no strain on state and local government. All, I would say 90% of the strain on state and local government is from the protests that occurred. Trying to stop and impede and protest what ICE was doing.

[Podcast Host 1]

That was a preview of the American Experiment podcast. Tune in every Tuesday afternoon, wherever you get your podcasts.