SCRAMBLE: ICE officer involved in Minneapolis shooting has now been identified

Summary

Garage Logic – Weekly Scramble:
ICE Officer Involved in Minneapolis Shooting Has Now Been Identified
Date: January 9, 2026
Host: Chris Reivers
Co-host: Mike Fratelloni

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Episode Overview

This episode of Garage Logic’s Weekly Scramble series features a candid discussion between Chris Reivers and Mike Fratelloni on the breaking news surrounding a fatal law enforcement shooting in Minneapolis. The incident involved a mother of three, Renee Nicole Goode, who lost her life during an altercation with a federal ICE agent. The hosts dissect the known details, societal context, political reactions, and broader issues of law enforcement, community consequences, and divisiveness.

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Key Points and Discussion Breakdown

1. Immediate Reaction to the Shooting

[01:24-11:22]

• Chris opens with a personal perspective, applying the “Joe Soucheray 48-hour rule” to avoid knee-jerk judgments before all facts are established.
• Chris emphasizes sympathy for the deceased, a mother of three who recently moved to Minnesota, and calls for cautious discussion until more details are available.
• He highlights a core belief: compliance with law enforcement orders typically avoids tragic outcomes.
  • "The number one way you can avoid getting shot by a federal ICE agent is don’t put yourself in that position to begin with." – Chris ([02:40])
• Mike agrees that the event was tragic and unnecessary, but points out that police actions require split-second decisions with high stakes for all involved.
• Both discuss the “theater” around law enforcement actions, with Chris questioning the tactics and optics.
• Uncertainty raised about federal ICE bodycam usage and footage release.

Memorable Quote:

• "I don't expect a protester's car to lunge at an officer... Those are split second decisions. I don’t like the video, Chris." – Mike ([05:05])

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2. Motives and Consequences

[10:09-13:30]

• Mike explores what could possess someone like Renee Goode to confront and block ICE agents, risking her life and leaving her children.
• He wonders if motives are rooted in misplaced compassion, misinformation, or a lack of respect for consequences.
• Chris suggests the current climate has fostered a belief that “actions don’t have consequences,” especially among younger generations.
  • "The idea that if you misbehave, nothing's gonna happen to you. That needs to come to an end because that is leading to over 90% of the problems that is plaguing this country currently." – Chris ([09:26])
• Both question the rise of activism that crosses the line from protest into interference with law enforcement.

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3. Law Enforcement Presence and Public Perception

[17:07-22:00]

• Chris recounts seeing a huge uptick in unmarked law enforcement vehicles and helicopters around the city.
• Notes the “theatrics” and optics of a large federal operation; Mike calls attention to the logistics and perceived overreach.
• Discussion shifts to the criminal fraud that has partly prompted such interventions in Minnesota, and the reality that not all culprits are undocumented immigrants.

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4. The ICE Agent’s Background and Law Enforcement Psychology

[20:45-22:45]

• Mike shares breaking information that the ICE officer involved had previously been injured in a similar incident, being dragged 100 yards by a car during a stop last year.
  • "Do you think he said, I'm not doing that again?... I'm not trying to excuse this. But if you had that experience before, like, oh, she's going to drive over me or drag my body... that can't happen again." – Mike ([21:39])
• Both ponder how past trauma may affect an officer’s split-second decisions under pressure.

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5. Political Fallout and Leadership Response

[22:54-29:33]

• Chris sharply criticizes city and state leaders (Mayor Jacob Frey, Governor Tim Walz) as well as national figures for inflammatory rhetoric in the immediate aftermath.
  • "It would really help things if the mayor of the city of Minneapolis doesn't get to a podium into a microphone where he knows the entire world is gonna see him say, get the F out of my city or our city. That doesn't help matters." – Chris ([22:54])
• Mike agrees, stating leaders should avoid language that “tosses diesel fuel on the campfire.”
• The hosts discuss the difficulty politicians face when balancing public statements and constituency expectations, especially in sanctuary cities.

Memorable Quote:

• "Be a leader. Don’t be just a leader for a certain section of people that might vote for you. Be a representative of all of us. And we don't have that anymore, especially in this state." – Chris ([26:00])

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6. Broader Societal Division and Meaning

[27:14-30:56]

• Mike asks who, if anyone, "wins" in such tragic incidents from a partisan political standpoint – a question both find distasteful but necessary in the analysis of America’s political climate.
• Chris laments growing national division, stating, "We are more divided than we have ever been... And I don't even know that it's going to be possible for the two sides to come together." ([28:23])
• Mike invites listeners to write in their ideas for how to use this tragedy to forge unity rather than division.

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7. Immigration Policy: Alternatives and Sustainability

[30:24-33:07]

• Mike floats the idea of incentivizing self-deportation as a cost-effective and less traumatic alternative to current ICE operations.
• Chris and Mike discuss the relationship between funding for social programs and migratory patterns, observing that when support is cut, those not invested in staying often leave.
  • "We can't continue to operate this way. It's not sustainable. And not only is it not sustainable, this is going to implode to a great proportion." – Chris ([32:35])

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8. Governor Walz, Recent Political Maneuvers, and Public Trust

[35:50-41:44]

• Chris is critical of Governor Tim Walz for previously ignoring fraud issues, only to campaign on addressing them now that he faces political pressure.
• Adds frustration over Walz’s comment about deploying the National Guard for potential protests, recalling a different reaction during the 2020 unrest.
• Mike considers the timing of Walz’s announced retirement from reelection; ponders whether the governor might re-enter the race in light of the incident, claiming, “Minnesota needs me.”
  • "Think about that. He was one a couple of days, right?... He could have stood on this horrible tragedy and said, you need me to bring back the calm." – Mike ([40:04])

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• "The number one way you can avoid getting shot by a federal ICE agent is don’t put yourself in that position to begin with." – Chris ([02:40])
• "I don’t expect a protester’s car to lunge at an officer... Those are split second decisions. I don’t like the video, Chris." – Mike ([05:05])
• "The idea that if you misbehave, nothing's gonna happen to you. That needs to come to an end." – Chris ([09:26])
• "Do you think [the agent] said, I'm not doing that again? ...If you had that experience before, like, oh, she's going to drive over me or drag my body... that can't happen again." – Mike ([21:39])
• "We need the opposite of that. We need people to actually be adults and be an elected official." – Chris ([23:05])
• "Be a leader. Don’t be just a leader for a certain section of people that might vote for you. Be a representative of all of us." – Chris ([26:00])
• "We are more divided than we have ever been... And I don’t even know that it's going to be possible for the two sides to come together." – Chris ([28:23])

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Listener Call to Action

• Mike and Chris ask listeners for constructive ideas:
  • "If you were tasked to take this tragedy and turn it into something positive, if it was your goal to say, how do we become closer after an event like this instead of more divided, what would you do? Please send us your thoughts." – Mike ([29:45])

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Tone and Style

The episode balances somber reflection with trademark candidness and humor. Both hosts approach the controversial subject matter with a mix of personal bias (both acknowledging and interrogating their own perspectives) and frustration at systemic and political failures, returning to themes of personal responsibility, the consequences of societal division, and the urgent need for mature leadership.

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Closing

The episode winds down with lighter banter and sponsor mentions, but the heart of the conversation remains a pointed, personal, and locally-focused analysis of a tragic event with deep political and societal implications for Minneapolis and beyond.

Transcript

[A]

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[A]

That's right, it's time for the weekly Scramble podcast. My name is Chris Reivers. With me as always, his name is Mike Fratelloni. Hello, Michael.

[B]

How you doing, Reivers?

[A]

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[B]

Yeah. It was so unfortunate on so many levels, Chris. Yeah, it didn't need to happen.

[A]

It didn't need to happen. Not one part of it needed to happen.

[B]

And I'm again, we're 24 hours in. I don't expect a protester to get shot. No, I don't expect a protester's car to lunge at an officer. I don't, I don't expect an officer to get rolled over just because he's an officer without there being consequences to it. Right. I don't believe an officer has to get rolled over and say, well, I got rolled over, but she's okay, I didn't have to kill her. And whether she would have rolled him over or not, those are split second decisions. I don't like the video, Chris. I don't like it.

[A]

I watched three different angles. I didn't like any of them. And I agree with you. Sorry. If you were to say more, I.

[B]

Didn'T mean to repeat. It seemed clear to me. Nothing seemed, my God, that was 100% XYZ's fault. I didn't see that.

[A]

And I asked aloud earlier today, cuz I don't know the answer to this question. If these federal ICE agents wear the same body cam style footage as like a Minneapolis police officer would. I don't know the answer to that.

[B]

I don't know that answer.

[A]

And I don't even know if they're subject to if this particular officer was wearing that camera. Is that video gonna be released? If there is a video to begin with? And I guess. But my point is one of the things that has really bothered me not just with, I'm not talking about yesterday specifically, that is not what I'm talking about. Since this administration took office almost a year ago, one of the things that's really bothered me is, and this was a focal point of the Trump administration, that we were going to crack down on immigration, on immigration integrity. And you know what? I've been fine with a lot of that. But the problem that I'm having is the way that the American public, sorry, not all of them, but a certain section of the American public is reacting to that, where you'll see videos of Karen getting in her car and chasing down ICE agents or ramming her vehicle or their vehicle into an ICE agent. What are you trying to prove? What are you trying to do? Because now all you're doing is you're now interjecting yourself into a situation that never involved you. You don't have a role in that particular effort to. Again, and I've said this, and I argue with some of my BREBREN on the GL podcast about this, you have no idea who's being detained and you have no idea why that person is being detained. For all we know, that person that you're trying to prevent ICE from apprehending, they could be guilty of some of.

[B]

The most horrific acts of murder and child rape. Yes, you might not want to be on their side.

[A]

I'll never forget the video, it was a woman in. It was either Tennessee or Kentucky, I don't remember. And this was a couple of months ago and she is in her four door Lexus sedan and she's chasing down an ICE agent. This is a woman in her, I would say early 40s, it's the middle of the day. So I'm going to assume that she either doesn't work, she's a stay at home mom. Does it work? Or she was on her lunch break because it was in the middle of the day during the week. And I'm thinking, why, why are you making it your point to be that person that's gotta intervene? That's not your job to do that. You have every right, if you'd like to express your opinion, whether it's social media to protest. That is absolutely right. Once you interfere with a federal operation, now you're in trouble. And sadly, in the case of yesterday, the woman lost her life. And I'm just thinking, why don't people get that? Sorry, Mike, I'm going to let you go here in a second. The biggest thing and the biggest point I was trying to make earlier in GL today, and not that it fell on deaf ears, but I think it was worth expanding upon more, which is why I want to bring it up with you. There's so many people roaming amongst us in our society right now. Whether it's kids, whether it's juveniles, whether it's adults, they seem to think that actions don't have consequences. We see kids that are behaving terribly in schools and what happens for the most part, either slap on the wrist or they are pretty much. You know, we've seen kids in Minneapolis, they might get arrested and it's a turnstile because they get just taught well. They know nothing's gonna happen to them. The idea that if you misbehave, nothing's gonna happen to you. That needs to come to an end because that is leading to over 90% of the problems that is plaguing this country currently. Floor is yours.

[B]

So I kind of want to take this back to the psyche of this Renee Nicole Goode. She's a mother of a couple of few children.

[A]

Three, I believe.

[B]

A mother of three. Two or three, I believe.

[A]

I believe that that's true.

[B]

She's married, she has a partner. She's loved by people, she says she's a writer and a poet and she feels for people. She's a genuine person. 37 years old, right. She's a young woman at 37 years old. What is happening in her mind that she says, I'm going to chase down and stalk and block ICE agents who with my car. I'm trying to think of a scenario, Chris, that I would become passionate enough to do something. Am I blocking xyz? I can't think of a scenario where I'd say I'm willing to take the ultimate risk. The ultimate risk. Do you think she understood that this wasn't a game of, you're going to be arrested, but it could be a game of, you're going to be killed? Do you think she understood that?

[A]

I don't. And it goes back to what I said earlier. To answer your question. Were you done? I'm really trying to be careful.

[B]

I want to make this super clear. I don't want her to die. I did not want her to die. Of course not.

[A]

Of course not.

[B]

I don't want anybody to die. But what inside of her heart was saying, I need to hop in my car, leave my kids at home. I don't know. Her kids could be 25 years old. I have no idea. Leave my kids, and I'm going to go chase down ICE vehicles. What propelled her to that? What made her get off of her couch, grab her keys, hop in her car and say, we are going to the best we can, block ICE agents? I can't fathom a day. I can't fathom a reason Reavers that I would go do that. What led to her belief that that was the scenario she had to go put herself into? I just. Until we answer that, all of the other stuff you said is going to be hard to fix until we say what compelled you. Was it the Internet? Was it hyperbole? Was it lies? Was it just compassion that you and I may not have? What was it that made this woman get up and go do that?

[A]

There's a certain level of compassion that I will agree with, but it's also another level of arrogance. And I'll tell you why. It goes back to what I said earlier. It's the lack of fear of consequence. That's what this is. It's because. Oh, well, I mean, go to any college campus, they're protesting on behalf of Palestine. Are you not adding two and two together? And that's. I guess what I'm getting at is this is a person who most likely had, and again, has a good heart, has probably all of the right things in place. But you didn't think that this might result in something bad happening. And at the very least, you could have been arrested. Well, what did you just prove. And maybe, by the way, in some cases where we see people protesting and people trying, we saw it all morning right at the Federal Building. Some of these kids or some of these people, I don't want to just keep saying kids. Some of these people absolutely want to get arrested so they can say, look at what I'm doing. I'm voicing for a change. And I'm just thinking, okay, you know what, let's do this, let's reset, let's regroup. Because I have a deeper thought and I want to run it by you because it occurred to me when I was driving here to work this morning. That's Mike Fratelloni. My name is Chris Rivers. This is the weekly Scramble podcast and we're we will be right back. Who doesn't love this time of year? Football playoffs are here, and underdog is the best place to get in on all the action. Underdog is so easy. You just pick if your favorite players will go higher or lower on stats like touchdowns, rushing yards, receptions and more. If you get your picks right, you could win up to 5,000 times your cash. So many great players to choose from this time of season. But the way I look at it, I think Matthew Stafford to go higher on yards passing is always a good way for me to go. And Saquon Bartlett Berkley's a nice pick to go higher on rushing yards. So what are you waiting for? Download the app today and use promo code garage to score $75 in bonus entries when you play your first $5. That's promo code Garage. Underdog make picks win money must be 18 plus, 19 plus in Alabama and Nebraska, 19 plus in Colorado for some games, 21 plus in Arizona, Massachusetts and Virginia and present in a state where underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply.

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[B]

Mm.

[A]

I counted 17 different law enforcement vehicles that this. I'm not talking state patrol. I'm not talking Scott county where I live. I'm not talking about Shakopee Police Department. I'm talking, oh, that's an unmarked squad with its lights on. And I also saw two helicopters roaming.

[B]

Where you could tell we had 2,000 agents into this market. That's a lot of people.

[A]

This morning again, I saw another. Was it seven? Eight? I lost track because one of them I was on. I probably shouldn't say where I was. I was northbound and I was trying to come here and this guy darted in front of me and I went. And the lights went on. I'm like, am I getting pulled over?

[B]

Were you trying to block him?

[A]

But no, no, no, not at all. Not at all. I was northbound in the right lane, not a left lane. Hogging jackass. Like so many people are on this particular highway. But I was in the right lane and I could tell like something was coming up behind me in my left lane. So I was in the right lane. I was about to get off on a certain highway that were to come here and this guy darted in front of me and his lights went on and I went, oh my goodness, I'm barely going over the speed limit. Well, he was pulling over the minivan that was in front of me. So for whatever reason, and it was an ice squad car. And so I went, oh, boy, these guys ain't messing around. Here's my point. My point is there is some theatrics to it. I am not in any way gonna disagree with it. And quick aside, I did notice three different wardrobe changes for Kristi Noem yesterday.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know, she had the morning outfit, she did have the afternoon outfit, and she did have the evening outfit. And by the way, I was fine with all three of them. Kind of like Cher maybe, or a Taylor Swift concert.

[B]

Taylor Swift?

[A]

Yes, yes, Elton John. And I just want to. I just want to be formally on record saying I approved of all three of them. And I think there was another one that I didn't see. But I don't care. I still approve of that one.

[B]

Her nighttime outfit.

[A]

Right? So I'm not. I am in no way disagreeing that there is some theatrics to this. There is some theatrics, I'm going to get there. There is some agenda driven theatrics to this so that we can formulate the presence. But the overriding message is this. They're not here by accident. They're not here because this state, everything is on the up and up and everything's running smoothly. They're here because this freaking state has been robbed blind of billions and billions of dollars. And oh, by the way, the people robbing the state of billions and billions of dollars aren't Tom Smith from Inver Grove Heights.

[B]

Yeah, but they're not illegal.

[A]

No offense to Tom Smith from Invrove Heights.

[B]

They're not illegal aliens.

[A]

Some of them are, though.

[B]

Some of them are. But the vast majority of.

[A]

But when you are here, you are operating on the assumption that you are going to be a law abiding citizen 100%. Once you violate that, you are in violation of your immigration status. That's how it works.

[B]

Totally get it. You don't think there's kids of immigrants that are naturalized citizens. Not naturalized, born here in America that are full Americans that committed those crimes? 100% they did. 100% they did. I'm not saying this is such a confusing. Let me ask you one question because this is a real thing. Did you guys talk about the ICE agent who actually shot her?

[A]

Joe did, pretty much at length at the very beginning.

[B]

Okay, so we talked that the ICE agent who opened the door.

[A]

We did not name that agent. In case it is.

[B]

I'm not gonna name him. Last year, was dragged 100 yards by an illegal immigrant in Minnesota last June after his arm was trapped inside the vehicle during a traffic stop.

[A]

Wait a minute. Are you serious? Yes.

[B]

So the ICE agent. This is according to the New York Post, and I had heard this from other sources. The ICE agent who opened fire in Minneapolis Wednesday was dragged 100 yards by an illegal immigrant in Minnesota last June after his arm was trapped inside the vehicle. So they were trying to do a routine traffic stop last year. The person, his name is Munoz, refused to exit the vehicle. This agent put his arm in, and the. Munoz drove off. Was dragged 100 yards. Do you think. And this is us pretending we know the inner psyche of some agents, did.

[A]

That enter in his realm?

[B]

Do you think he said, I'm not doing that again.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'm not gonna get dragged? And he wasn't. He didn't have his arm in her window when he shot and killed her. But do you think there was any. I'm not trying to excuse this, no.

[A]

But that's an angle, Mike, I did not know about.

[B]

But if you had that experience before, like, oh, she's going to drive over me or drag my body. I'm not saying that's an excuse.

[A]

Reivers.

[B]

I'm not saying that.

[A]

Of course not.

[B]

I'm saying that something in the man's psyche would have said, this can't happen again. This can't happen again. And would you be more inclined to use force greater than saying, hey, stop. It's a really scary, interesting one thing, I think when we experience these things and we see them and we replay the video 50 times to get every nuance. Well, when someone. Someone's doing this live, there is no replaying. He had three or four seconds. The gal, Ms. Good, had two or three seconds to figure out what was going on before she was killed. It's like, what. How do we diffuse this? How do we.

[A]

I can help you answer that, because that's where I was going to go next.

[B]

And I know your answer is, don't do it.

[A]

No.

[B]

Don't follow isolation.

[A]

It's bigger than that.

[B]

Okay, go ahead, tell me how you do this.

[A]

It's bigger than that. On this level, what would really help things is. And I'm gonna get to the big guy here in a minute. It would really help things if the mayor of the city of Minneapolis doesn't get to a podium into a microphone where he Knows the entire world is gonna see him say, get the F out of my city or our city. That doesn't help matters.

[B]

No, it doesn't.

[A]

It doesn't help when the governor of the state of Minnesota gets to a podium, gets in front of a microphone and starts basically picking at President Trump, which is what he has been campaigning against until he finally realized he's a failed loser that should drop out of the race. That's my words, not anybody else's. That doesn't help matters. It also doesn't help matters that the President is also. We've got to stop having people in positions of power tossing diesel fuel on the campfire. We need the opposite of that. We need the opposite of that. We need people to actually be adults and be an elected official. Whether it's Fry, whether it's Walls, and by the way, whether it's Trump in some cases, with the Hortman stuff he tweeted over. This is a completely different story. That doesn't help things, Donald.

[B]

No, it was disgusting.

[A]

And in a situation like this, just let whoever you've assigned Gnome, whoever let them handle the job, you don't need to. Because he knows or he has got to know that anything he says is only going to fuel the madness. He's got to understand that.

[B]

Well, I think he actually said at the beginning, I'm not sure one of his tweets was at the beginning, said, wow, what a sad event. This should have never happened.

[A]

Right.

[B]

He could have stopped there. He could have stopped there.

[A]

He could have.

[B]

What do you think if you were Mayor Frye and you did not want ICE in the city of Minneapolis, Right. Cuz Mayor Frye said, hey, we're a sanctuary city. We don't need ICE here. These people are our neighbors, friends, family, whatever he believes. What do you think he should have said when this news broke? I think what he said personally was embarrassing. He should have never used that word.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

He should have never said that. He could have said, this is what happens when ICE is in our town. You can't do that. Ice. You weren't invited in to do that. Right. He really blew it. I think he lost a lot by saying that. What do you think he should have said?

[A]

I think what he should have said is basically being sympathetic for the poor woman that lost her life and saying, which, by the way, this will never happen. He will never go in front of a microphone and say, we're willing to work with federal agents, but they're not gonna do that. Why aren't they going to do that because it's gonna upset their constituency. It's gonna upset the people that would most likely vote for them. And that's what I'm so tired of. Be a leader. Don't be just a leader for a certain section of the people that might vote for you. And I'm tired of that. And again, I'm talking at the city, state and federal level. I'm tired of that. Be a representative of all of us. And we don't have that anymore, especially in this state. You mentioned sanctuary city, and I'm glad you did. And Kristi Noem and Walz somewhat traded back and forth shots. And Noem said, I spoke to Governor Walz and I'm paraphrasing here, but basically said, they aren't assisting us, they're not helping us. And she didn't say this, but basically from the optics of what I saw, they're standing in the way. Well, that's also not helping matters. And when you are a sanctuary city, which we are, what's happened? We have been robbed blind. There is fraud everywhere. And so finally, at least someone has offered to come here and do something about it. Now, are they perceived. That's probably a different subject. Are they going about it the right way? I don't even know what the right answer is. Let me ask you this, because guess why. That's not my job. I don't know what the right answer is.

[B]

Let me ask you this. Let's get clinical on the cold, hard facts of this, Right? The cold, hard, not facts of her death. Let's get clinical on who wins from this. I know this is a disgusting thing to say. It's disgusting. What side of the political spectrum wins when this poor girl dies? Do Republicans across the United States say, hey, tough luck f around and find out. That's what happens, toots. Or do Democrats really bond together and say, they're killing us now. They're killing us. ICE is killing us. The Donald Trump mass exodus of illegal immigrants. Now ICE agents are killing us. Who wins this particular, I'm gonna call it a PR incident. It was something way more than that. Again, I'm talking clinically, I'm talking without emotion. And I know that's impossible to do because that's rude to do to this poor girl that died. And it's rude to do the officer whose life is gonna be horrific from here on out.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good question.

[B]

Who benefits from this if someone can benefit from it?

[A]

Mike? I don't think anybody does. I just. I don't Think anybody does. And I'm going to say why no one benefits. Look at what's happening. We are more divided than we have ever been in the history of this country. Well, not the history, but we're more divided. At least since I've been paying attention on this scale. We're more divided than we've ever been. And I don't even know that it's going to be possible for the two sides to come together. You know, we often say if 9, 11 were to happen today, which I think was the last time we really were unified. And we weren't unified for long, but we were unified. And now what would happen is it would just be a game of finger pointing. That's all it would be. And that's why I've had such a problem with this. Because for those of you that either took the day off of work to go protest or whatever your life circumstances are, that's fine. That's what makes this country great as you have that right. But I'm so tired of people burying their head in the sand and thinking that there isn't a problem going on right now. There's a massive problem. This is historic.

[B]

I'm going to ask our listeners, we've been getting a lot of feedback on our last few shows, a lot of emails. I want to ask the people that are listening to this show, because we have thousands of people, some real bright people listening to this show.

[A]

Lot smarter than us.

[B]

A lot smarter than us. If you were tasked, listener, if you were tasked to take this tragedy and turn it into something positive, if it was your goal to say, how do we become closer after an event like this instead of more divided, what would you do? What would you do? Will you please send us your thoughts? Because I'm at a loss. You're definitely at a loss. Right. You have never seen us more divided. I think a scenario like this, I, I don't know what the answer is. I don't know if it's, you know, I, I keep going back to this concept of self deportation. Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where we can go ahead and have ICE come into town. 2,000 ICE agents, probably $10,000 a day per every ICE agent to be here. Right. It's probably a fortune.

[A]

You think that's what it is?

[B]

It's got to be hotels, the pay risk now, now with this girl dying, it's going to be infinitely bigger than that. Right. The true cost of ICE agents coming here, and I'm talking globally, holistically, the cost of it, the mental breakdown, the fabric of society, all of that. Or could we say if you self deport, we give you $20,000?

[A]

Well, didn't we do that?

[B]

We did it. We did it in a small way. If you self deport in January, you get 20,000. If you self deport in February, you get 15,000. If you self deport In March, you get 10,000 and you walk it right down.

[A]

Do you think, wait, would that apply? Can I guarantee.

[B]

I get that that's expensive, right? I get that that's expensive. Would it be better than what's going on today? Would it be better to pay people to leave than. And then if they ever come back, once we've paid you, if you ever come back, you're just locked up. That's it, you're going to jail.

[A]

But you know what? I'll help you answer that. Because someone, I won't name this particular person, but I was having a conversation when the federal funding was cut off. That was last week, right? For various programs. And this person, I'm just gonna leave. This is a person that knows what they're talking about.

[B]

And this person said, watch, they're gonna leave now.

[A]

They're gonna leave when the funding goes away. Either the people that are really, truly trying to be Minnesotan, right, they want their kids to go to a, a really great Minneapolis school and mom and dad are, either mom is staying home, dad's working, or vice versa, or they're both working and whatever, right? Like they're really trying hard to become Minnesotans for a better life for their family. Like, those are the people. We absolutely want to be here regardless of where you came from and you're here. But once the funding goes away, you're going to see the people that are going to say, well, my check is gone. Well, I'm gone, I'm out of here. I'm either going to find a different sanctuary city or I'm going to head back, whatever it is. But that's the problem that I and so many have is, okay, we understand a lot of these programs are necessary and needed, but at the same time, we can't continue to operate this way. It's not sustainable. And not only is it not sustainable, this is going to implode to a great proportion. In fact, we're teetering on it as we speak again, which is why this is happening.

[B]

So if you believe that's the case, then we need answers. And I'm being dead serious when we're asking our listeners. My email, mikeoraragelogic, right?

[A]

Frat pack, Facebook page or the frat.

[B]

Pack Facebook page c [e-mail] at garagelogic.com Send us your thoughts on how we take something like this, a tragedy like this, and somehow turn it into a positive. Someone out there has the answer.

[A]

That's Mike Fratelloni. I'm Chris Rivers. This is the weekly Scrambled podcast. And we will be right back. I actually meant to get to this a lot sooner. Let me just make a quick note here, Michael. Oh, wait. First, let's talk about our buddy Ben with masters maples and mastersmaples.com okay. Rookie is such an ass.

[B]

Did he take.

[A]

No, no, no, no. He bragged about the bacon he made and you know what he did? He had the 100% pure maple sugar and he sprinkled it across the pan with the bacon and then baked it. So the maple sugar was baked into the thick cut bacon.

[B]

That sounds good.

[A]

I hate him so much that I'm going to now try this over the weekend because that's what bacon does smell good too.

[B]

Because it's like bacon, which smells good, but sweet bacon.

[A]

Oh, it's the absolute best. I did do the maple syrup with the bacon. This would have been two Sundays ago. It was Christmas break because the boys didn't have basketball that day. Anyway, it doesn't matter. It's the best 100% pure maple syrup that Minnesota has to offer. It's our buddy Ben. A proud frat packer. Proud gl er. He's the absolute best. But in addition to the best maple syrup, the sweet and savory seasonings and rubs are fantastic. I use them over the holidays. And my turkey was received. Oh, my God. I got the best reviews ever with my turkey. Oh, my God. What's your secret? I go, oh, extensive labor. I mean, oh, my God, I just.

[B]

Been working so hard.

[A]

It's just a grind. No, Ben did it for me. What are you talking about? Anyway, go online mastersmaples.com and you can place your order. There's gift packs available. You could also go to your Fraterloni's hardware.

[B]

Every one of our stores have huge displays with the sugars, with the spices, with the syrups. We got them all.

[A]

It's kicking ass and taking names.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[A]

So when you go get your brand new Weber grill, grab some savory and seasoning rub to go with it. But it's a wonderful product made right here in color.

[B]

If you buy a Weber grill, I'm gonna go ahead and give you a bottle of the Masters maple.

[A]

That's on you.

[B]

Yep. I'm gonna go ahead and just. If you buy a thousand dollar grill or bigger, I'll give you the sample size.

[A]

Not $9.99, you cheap ass.

[B]

No, it's gotta be a thousand dollars more. But I'll give you that little tiny sample bottle. Absolutely. For free. Don't say I'm not generous.

[A]

Oh, you are the best.

[B]

I'm not generous.

[A]

All right. So. Mastersmaples.com Taste the difference. Thank you, Ben. You're the best. All right. I wanted to get to this a little bit sooner, but I'm actually kind of glad it's coming. Towards the end of the show, I want to talk about Governor Walz for a second. And you know, when he decided he was going to step out of the race for reelection, he was going to focus on Minnesota. I'd like to say, well, it's about fricking time.

[B]

Don't focus on fraud.

[A]

No, but it's okay. Well, it's about time because when you were running for vice president, no one saw you here in the state for months. Again. I know. I have walls derangement syndrome. I'm well aware of that. You're fully aware of that. I really do. I know, but for this disingenuous clown to start that campaign about how right now my office is solely focused on fraud. Well, okay, where were you for the last five years doing this? And it's been proven that people went to your office with fraud and they were rejected and turned down and in some cases bullied for threats of losing their job. So I'm glad you're getting to it, Walls, you're a true hero. Fraud. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is for him yesterday, and this happened after Garage Logic. And actually I was in here with Jay and Kenny to try to help get their show done. And by the way, great show. They had former Hennepin County Sheriff Rich Stanek on. It was a really good show. I encourage you to.

[B]

The Krabby Coffee Shop.

[A]

The Krabby Coffee Shop show. But for Walls, because I was watching it in the other room. But for Walls to get up and start talking about how he is really thinking about deploying the National Guard in anticipation of protests. I wish there was a microphone in that room for the things I was saying. Oh, I. I'm sorry. So when the city was on fire.

[B]

For weeks and you didn't even say.

[A]

Anything and you did nothing.

[B]

Didn.

[A]

And had the balls to say, well, it's mostly peaceful protests. The pawn shop that's five blocks from here. Burned to the ground. The city smelled like burning. His wife, Gwen. Oh, I like to have the windows open so I could smell the burning tires. Like, what is wrong with you? What planet are you on? Governor Walls, you want to know the.

[B]

Saddest thing right now?

[A]

Just let me one thing, because I really want to get to you. But for him to say that just proves how stupid he thinks the Minnesota voting public is. And I'm not being facetious. That's how out of touch he is with the average Minnesotan. And by the way, how scared. I'm not gonna go down that road. I'm not gonna go down that road. It really, really upset me because I was one of the people back then. Cause there was a you. And I had to take a hiatus from COVID with our show, but I was one of the people. And again, I didn't mind it. I love my job and whatever. I was one of the few people that came into work every day. I didn't have the option of working from home. And there was a stretch where my wife works at a hospital. She had to go into work every day. So it's like, we got a six. How are we going to do this? Anyway, that's not my point. My point is for him to do that, that angered me so much. Freaking much. Because again, it just proves he just is going to gaslight the American or the Minnesota public and just think he's going to get away with it. He and his party are going to get away with it. It made me so mad. The floor is yours.

[B]

So what day did he tell everybody who was not going to run again? Was that Monday?

[A]

It was Monday. Well, rumors had started to surface late Sunday night, but he officially announced it Monday morning.

[B]

Was it Blois Olson who came out.

[A]

And said, I believe Bloys did break the story.

[B]

He kind of broke the story. If this would have happened on Monday, you know who would still be running for governor right now?

[A]

Tim Walz.

[B]

Because a story like this can trump, literally trump the fraud story for two more months till people stop thinking about it. And you know who'd be our next governor again? Reivers.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Think about that. He was one a couple of days, right? Because this happened yesterday. So two days. Two days different. If he would have even known, if he would have even known that 2000 ICE agents were coming to town, he would not have jumped out and said, I'm not going to run. He would have waited to see what was going to happen. Because I promise you, I promise you, he could have stood on this horrible tragedy and said, you need me to bring back the calm.

[A]

Wait a minute.

[B]

I'm going to bring federal. Deploy the National Guard. I'm going to do all this. Go ahead.

[A]

You know what? Let's you and I make a prediction. Let's you and I shatter the echo chamber that is Minnesota public talking, whatever the hell we call it now. Not broadcasting, but podcasting. What if he reenters? What if he just says, you know what? Minnesota needs me.

[B]

Minnesota needs me.

[A]

Look at what's happening. Look at, as he called it. Look at Trump's Gestapo and what they're doing to my state. I need to reenter the race. Holy crap. What if that happens?

[B]

It's very, very. I think that's unlikely, but I guarantee you he would not have dropped out on Monday if this tragedy would have been.

[A]

He wouldn't have been told to drop out because we all know that that's truly what happened.

[B]

Who tells him? I was listening back to one of our shows because I just love listening to our shows.

[A]

You do. And you're a podcast, and you had.

[B]

Said that the powers that be above him. Who are the powers that be above him?

[A]

If you really want to get deep sometimes I don't think we understand the magnitude of the machine that is behind all this.

[B]

We need to get somebody in here to explain it, but. Okay.

[A]

Everyone's afraid to. Why? The machine's the machine.

[B]

Okay, So I know we got a break here in a little bit. I just wanted to let you know that I had a little bit of an experience and I wanted to tell you about it because I think it's really funny.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay, Jumping subjects. Now we're on to non serious things. Sure, I had a colonoscopy, but it's not a colonoscopy because they go down your throat. Endo oscopy or something like that.

[A]

Hopefully they clean the tube.

[B]

Yeah, they, like put it. First of all, they put this thing in your mouth. Like, it's like a gag ball with a hole in it.

[A]

I've had one of those.

[B]

And they say, bite down on it. And then the gal is putting this stuff inside my veins and I slowly start to fade out, right? They go in, they scope me. I'm sure everything's fine, but, you know, whatever. That part's not the story. But I'm coming out of my anesthesia and I'm just kind of out of it. What do you think the first words I say? Reavers. I cannot believe I said this.

[A]

Let's see. Hold on let me go into the brain of Mike Freddell. So you're out of it? Were you dreaming?

[B]

I was totally out of it. I don't remember saying this. Don't remember anybody even coming.

[A]

Were you dreaming? A little bit.

[B]

First thing I said, the nurse comes in. My wife was there with me. Nurse comes in and says, how you doing? And I said, as salaam alaikum. Why Reavers? In my entire life, I don't think I've ever said the words, as salaam alaikum. I'm not even sure I'm saying it right. And my wife's like, did he just say, as salaam alaikum? And then she says, I'm doing good. I hope you're doing good. How are things? And I proceed to tell her about dreaming of large women. My wife's like, the hell? And this is all on video, by the way. This is on video. So I start this story about dreaming of large women and someone named Leslie. And I'm watching the video thinking, the hell am I referring to? And then I realized that two days before, I'd watched the Princess Bride.

[A]

Jesus.

[B]

And in the Princess Bride, Wesley, not Leslie Wesley, attacks Andre the Giant and knocks him out and says, dream of large women. I don't envy the headache you'll have in the morning. And I remember saying that line and laughing at it when I was watching the Princess Bride in some magical way. When I come out of this haze of anesthesia, the first thing I say is, as salaam alaikum. Which is interesting. And the second thing I say is, I was dreaming of large women. Because I remember the scene from Wesley and the Princess Bride, that stuff. Thank God my wife didn't say. Mike, what do you think of the carpet color that I picked for our bedroom? Because I think I might have told her some. My ability to lie there would have been pretty much zero. And she thought. She thought to herself, does he love large women? And I was like, no, I'm doing a skit. I'm doing a bit from here. And then I also asked if I could hire them to come over to my house every day and put me to sleep. Because I often wear headphones, and I don't want to do that anymore. So I thought whatever they injected in me, and they said, that's the same stuff we injected into Prince. That didn't work out so well for Prince.

[A]

No. Yeah. You don't want that too much, maybe.

[B]

I don't worry. So that's what's happening in my Brain.

[A]

That would be a good subject to get into. Or maybe we pose it as a frat pack question, because I have one. Not as similar to that, but years ago. In fact, it was about six months before I got married. I had all four of my wisdom teeth pulled at the same time. And I was not working here. I was working at a couple of different places. But one of the places I was working was I was working for a delivery company in addition to. I had a full time job, but I was doing this on the side to kind of save up some money for the wedding. And I was told, you gotta have a driver. You can't just come and get your wisdom teeth pulled. But I was literally working. So I pulled the delivery van in. They yanked him out, sedated me and yanked him out. Well, as I was coming to, I had started to sing Sexy Back by Justin Timberlake.

[B]

Oh, good.

[A]

At top volume. Oh, good. And I was entertaining the nurses and the masses and everyone. I just. I don't remember. I. All I remember is everybody laughing.

[B]

Do you know why that correlated?

[A]

Why?

[B]

Is that correct?

[A]

Well, at the time, it was like the number one song in the country.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I had all that cotton in my mouth, and I was like, I'm bringing Sexy Bath.

[B]

I think we should develop a company that does two things. Has a page where people are coming out of anesthesia because people love watching that. And then dogs pooping, because people love watching dogs poop. Reavers, you are the best. You can have that idea, by the way.

[A]

I thank you. But you know what? That's how I'm gonna become a millionaire. Thank you. Michael, please do us a favor. Rate and review the show wherever you happen to be listening to the Weekly Scramble Podcast. It helps others find the show. It helps us out as well. And we do appreciate each and every single one of you. His name is Mike Fradaloni. My name is Chris Reivers. Thank you so very much for listening to the Weekly Scramble Podcast. We'll talk to you again next time. Until then, cheers.