Tuck and Ozzy chat with writer Zefyr Lisowski (she/her). Topics include:

How horror helps us explore what we owe others in the wake of pain
Zefyr’s delicate decision to do a ~gender reveal~ in Uncanny Valley Girls
Managing harm in t4t and crazy4crazy relationships
How the Great Dismal Swamp informs Zefyr’s thoughts about race and class
Plus: Grave robbers, werewolves, Pisces poetics, and a musical based on The Ring.

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Episode 191: Zefyr Lisowski