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George
57% of American households plan to use a credit card to pay for vacations. So today I'm at Dollywood, friendliest theme park in America, to make friends the only way I know how, which is to ask people how much debt they have. So before we get to it, shout out to delete me for sponsoring the shenanigans. Let's go. Okay, the question of the day. How much debt do you currently have, including the house? No mortgage, just a consumer debt.
Car Owner 1
Oh, 20,000, I think.
George
Okay, break that down for us.
Car Owner 1
Mostly car and then a little bit on credit card. Like 5,000, doll.
George
Okay. What did you spend the money on on the credit card?
Car Owner 1
Probably part of this trip.
George
We're gonna be paying for this trip for months.
Car Owner 1
No, no, no. Well, we're recouping.
Car Owner 2
We recouping.
Car Owner 1
Look, we. We do this thing where we get off track and we have to get back.
George
We're standing below a roller coaster, and
Car Owner 1
we know we're Ramsey Solution fans, and we always do that.
George
Oh, you are fans.
Car Owner 2
Bad.
Car Owner 1
Yeah.
George
You're not. You're not actively participating, but you're a bystander going. A spectator.
Car Owner 1
This is gonna make us go back on the train.
George
Listen, if this is serendipitously gonna help you get out of debt, it was worth it.
Car Owner 1
Yeah.
George
Okay, what's left on the car loan?
Car Owner 1
I think we had 20.
George
Okay, so 20 on the car, and then how much in credit card that.
Car Owner 1
It's like five.
George
Okay, so about 25 total. What kind of car is this?
Car Owner 1
GMC Yukon.
George
You're hauling the family in that thing. What year is it?
Car Owner 1
20. 21.
George
Okay, so pretty new.
Car Owner 1
Yeah.
George
Did you buy it used, or do you buy it new? A couple years ago.
Car Owner 1
It was two years. A year and a half used when we got it.
George
Okay, and what's your plan to pay off all this debt?
Car Owner 1
So saving and budgeting more and being more intentional about where we spend our
George
money after we spend all the money on the trip?
Car Owner 1
Yeah, yeah.
George
Like, once we get home, it's a problem for future me.
Car Owner 1
Yes.
George
Okay. Will you commit to cutting up the credit cards when you get home?
Car Owner 1
Yes. We only have one.
George
All it takes is one.
Car Owner 1
I know it is.
Car Owner 2
I know.
George
It's like I only do one drug.
Car Owner 1
It's true.
George
How about this? If you don't cut up the cards,
Car Owner 1
the president's laughing at me.
George
If you don't cut up the cards when you get home, all the kids get social media.
Car Owner 1
Oh, yeah.
Car Owner 2
No.
Car Owner 1
Yeah.
George
Okay. Is that a deal?
Car Owner 1
It's fair.
George
All right. You heard it. Here. First question of the day. How much debt do you currently have? All consumer debt.
Car Owner 3
So mortgage.
George
No mortgage.
Car Owner 3
No mortgage.
George
Take that one out.
Car Owner 3
Okay, so taking out the mortgage, just the 16,000. We own the car.
George
Sixteen grand a car. What kind of car car is this?
Car Owner 3
It's a 2022 Toyota Highlander.
George
Oh, that's a nice car. What was the original balance of the loan?
Car Owner 3
20,000.
George
Okay, so you paid off four grand. And how many years have you had this loan?
Car Owner 3
Right at one year.
George
One year.
Car Owner 3
Okay.
George
What's your plan to pay it off?
Car Owner 3
I want to pay it off by the end of this year, but that probably won't happen. Probably the end of 2027. Yeah.
George
So almost two years to pay off 16 grand. That's about eight grand a year. And you paid off four grand in the last year. So you have to increase the amount you're paying. Are you currently doing that?
Car Owner 3
So the monthly payment that we have, that they charge us, we pay more than that every month.
George
Okay. You put in a little extra.
Car Owner 3
Yep. And then once a year I get an annual raise or bonus or something and then we'll put about half of that, two thirds of that. It's usually five or six thousand dollars toward that.
George
Okay, what's the monthly minimum payment?
Car Owner 3
The monthly minimum payment is $387 a month.
George
387. Okay. How many years is the loan for?
Car Owner 3
It's a five year loan. Interest rate like 6%.
George
All right. And your plan is to maybe hopefully sort of pay it off in the next two years? Yes, that's an ironclad plan. Do you have an extra like thousand bucks a month of margin right now in your budget?
Car Owner 3
Yes, but my wife goes through it.
George
How much did this Dollywood trip cost?
Car Owner 3
This Dollywood trip between the hotel. So we were here all week for spring break and so the whole trip
George
altogether, what's it going to cost you
Car Owner 3
whole trip all together? About probably 1500 bucks.
George
1500? Yep.
Car Owner 3
Okay, so me, her, my little three year old.
George
That's sweet. That's a fun trip. How do you feel about going to debt for a vacation versus a car?
Car Owner 3
You never want to go into debt for anything that goes down in value. So I would say never go into debt for a vacation because once that is over, value is zero. Right. Nothing left.
George
Don't cars go down in value?
Car Owner 3
They do very quickly.
George
Didn't you do that?
Car Owner 3
I did do that. You said never and I regret it.
George
Do as I say, not as I do is the mantra today.
Car Owner 3
But we're having really a lot of Problems with our last car.
George
Okay, so you had to get a fancier car.
Car Owner 3
So it was probably too fancy of
George
a car, but it was a car
Car Owner 3
we knew it was going to last for the family. Toyota, you know, Toyota. And my wife drives it around and you know, you know, my little three year old is the most important thing. And leaving him on the side of the road. The last car we had was a. Was a Honda Pilot.
George
Oh, is that not a good car?
Car Owner 3
It was a good car. It just broke down on us a couple times and left her on the side of the road and I didn't want to do that anymore to her.
George
And it's a 2022 Highlander?
Car Owner 3
Yes. The Highlander's 2022.
George
Could you have purchased like a 2018 in cash that would have been just as reliable?
Car Owner 3
Well, we bought it from my wife's parents, so they gave us a pretty decent deal on it.
George
So they didn't give you the loan though? You got a loan separately?
Car Owner 3
We had to get the loan separately through the bank, but they gave us a pretty good price for the car.
George
But they kind of discounted what it's really worth.
Car Owner 3
Yeah, yeah, Slightly.
George
All right.
Car Owner 3
They would say significantly. I would say slightly.
George
Wow. Differing opinions there. All right, well, best of luck with the debt payoff.
Car Owner 3
Yeah, appreciate it.
George
All right, question of the day. How much debt do you currently have, not including your mortgage car payment?
Car Owner 2
That's all I have.
George
You have one car loan? That's it?
Car Owner 2
Yes, because we paid off one. So we have one car payment, one to go.
George
What's left on the car loan?
Car Owner 2
I don't actually know, but I'm going to go with like 30.
George
30 grand. What kind of car is this?
Car Owner 2
So Lexus newer? Yes. Like the GX550 I think is what it's called.
George
Yeah, that's fancy. What year is it?
Car Owner 2
This 25, 26.
George
Oh, so you just got it?
Car Owner 2
Yeah, I just got it.
George
Wow. And this is the car you drive?
Car Owner 2
Yes.
George
Wow. Okay. What's the payment on it? Do you know? No. No clue. Who's handling this? Who knows this information?
Car Owner 2
I told her I was like my husband.
George
Okay, so he sort of like handles the finances.
Teacher Spouse 1
Yeah.
George
How involved are you?
Car Owner 2
I get a. Sounds terrible. I don't work. I quit working four, five years ago. And ever since then he moves over a certain amount and this is gonna sound terrible, but he pay to stay at home. Like I have, I have a job. He treats me as a job. It treats it as a job. And so I get a salary and that's what I live off of. And so that you guys have like
George
separate accounts for this. How does it work?
Car Owner 2
We have separate accounts. He. He has. I have mine and my retirement and my everything, and then he has his and his retirement and everything.
George
What about bills? How do you guys split that?
Car Owner 2
I do everything for the kids and then he does everything, everything else.
George
But when we.
Car Owner 2
When I worked, we pretty much I took everything, house and everything. His money was all savings.
George
Oh.
Car Owner 2
And so then when I quit, it moved over.
George
So there's no joint account?
Car Owner 2
No, we have a joint savings account, I guess, but we don't touch it.
George
Okay, so he's covering like household bills and you're covering anything kid related in your account?
Car Owner 2
Yes, that comes out of mine.
George
Out of the salary he pays you to stay at home?
Car Owner 2
Yes.
George
Wow, that's fascinating.
Car Owner 2
It's very interesting.
George
I haven't heard that setup yet. Okay, what's the game plan to pay off this car loan? Whose job is that?
Car Owner 2
His.
George
Wow. Was it his decision?
Car Owner 2
Yes.
George
Who picked out the car?
Car Owner 2
I drove a car for 14 years, and so it was an old Suburban. And so he was like, you can have a new car.
George
You just.
Car Owner 2
You deserve it.
George
So the shiny new car now over 14 years, was that car paid off? Oh, yeah. Okay. But you didn't want to like, save up and pay for the car. Could you have paid for this car in cash, this new one?
Car Owner 2
Yes, but we got such a good interest rate that it was one of those things too.
George
What's the interest rate? Do you remember what's a good interest rate?
Car Owner 2
Telling you. I don't like. I just remember him going, it's a great interest rate. We'll just pay it off.
Car Owner 1
That's all I remember.
George
And you have no timeline to do that, but you're like, he's got.
Car Owner 2
It was a five. I do know it was a five year loan.
George
So over the next five years you'll pay some interest, but you're fine with that to hang on to your money?
Car Owner 2
Yes.
George
Do you know how much you guys have in retirement?
Car Owner 2
I know that I personally have just under. I'd say 750, almost.
George
Wow.
Car Owner 2
Yeah, Something like that.
George
That's amazing.
Car Owner 1
Yes.
George
So you guys are what we would call everyday millionaires.
Car Owner 2
I don't know if that's the word that I would say.
George
What would you say?
Car Owner 2
I don't know. I would say that we're middle.
George
You'd say you're middle class?
Car Owner 3
High middle.
George
Okay, well, you guys are young. To have that much in retirement is impressive.
Car Owner 2
I had a Decent job. I saved. I maxed out every single year in my retirement.
George
Wow.
Car Owner 2
So I started that as soon as I got a job. At 22, I maxed out.
George
So at 22, you were maxing out retirement for how many years was that?
Car Owner 2
I quit working at 38, 39.
George
So about 16 years of maxing out retirement. And you got three quarters of a million dollars in that one account.
Car Owner 2
Yes.
George
That's impressive.
Car Owner 2
And I also invested it. So it wasn't just.
George
Yeah, it wasn't in savings.
Car Owner 2
It wasn't in savings. It was.
George
You got to invest for compound growth to do the heavy lifting. So you basically front loaded it, and now for the next 20, 30 years, it's just growing without you touching it.
Car Owner 2
Yes, I'm hoping.
George
Way to go. Yeah. It's gotta be if you get invested wisely.
Car Owner 2
Exactly.
George
Unless you're in a bunch of bonds.
Car Owner 2
No. Well, unless my husband is not doing his job.
George
Don't screw it up, man. Don't screw it up. That's fantastic. All right, we're gonna play a fun little game.
Car Owner 1
Okay.
George
Guess how much your car payment is. Best guess.
Car Owner 2
I'm gonna say 600. Ish.
George
Okay. 600amonth. I want to plug that into an investment calculator. Because you said your husband's like, hey, as long as the interest rate is low on the car loan, I'll take the loan. But what about if you had been investing that extra 600 bucks a month instead? Okay, that's feasible.
Car Owner 1
Okay.
George
Because you guys had the cash to pay for something. Right? Now, can I ask. You can give me your husband's age.
Car Owner 2
He is 44.
George
43.
Car Owner 2
44.
George
When does he plan on working until, do you know?
Car Owner 2
In his 70s, probably.
Car Owner 3
Wow.
George
This guy's just going to keep going.
Car Owner 1
Oh, yeah.
George
He's not going to stop. Okay.
Car Owner 2
I wouldn't want him to.
George
Well, let's say 44.
Car Owner 2
What did they say I married you for? Sickness and health, not for lunch.
George
Oh, I've never heard that.
Car Owner 2
Yeah. Don't come home for lunch.
George
Why didn't you want him to come home?
Car Owner 3
Because.
Car Owner 1
Why not?
George
I don't know. I didn't know I couldn't go home for lunch.
Car Owner 2
Makes the heart grow fonder.
George
Oh, I see.
Car Owner 2
Yeah.
George
You're like, when you get home, I want to be excited to see you.
Car Owner 2
Yeah.
George
And not like, hey, what are you doing here?
Car Owner 2
Just here. Because I mean, like, I. Yeah.
George
You're like, get out of my office. Which is the home.
Car Owner 2
Yes. You interrupt my day.
George
I love it. Don't interrupt me at work.
Car Owner 1
Yes.
George
Okay, let's go 44 to 64.
Car Owner 1
Okay.
George
All right. Is that fair?
Car Owner 2
Yeah.
George
We're gonna say you start with nothing in that investment account. We're starting from scratch. Let's say it's for the kids.
Car Owner 1
Okay.
George
All right. We're doing this for the kids. 600 bucks a month. I'm gonna go 10. Rate of return. Because you're investing it.
Car Owner 2
I mean.
George
Okay, that's fair. All right. Hit, calculate. How much is it?
Car Owner 2
4, 5, 5. 4 5, 5, 6, 2, 1.
George
That's a lot of money.
Car Owner 2
A lot of money.
George
Instead of putting it into a depreciating asset, if you put it into an
Car Owner 2
appreciating asset for that many years, I would just do it for the five years until the car is paid.
George
Well, most people, what they do is they then go get another payment. You know what I mean?
Car Owner 2
We hold on to our cars forever.
George
You're going to drive it into the ground?
Car Owner 2
Oh, that's what I do.
George
Okay, so maybe when it's paid off, what do you do with that extra money? What will he do?
Car Owner 2
Well, he'll put it into, like, he'll just roll it over into savings or into investments. But for now, I mean, but that would just be our five minute, five year. And then you would roll it over.
George
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Teacher Spouse 2
What do you got?
George
How much debt do you currently have? None.
Teacher Spouse 2
I've got a mortgage on my home. Probably $380,000 owed on that. But that's the only debt that we have.
George
No consumer debt? No. No credit cards, no car loans, no medical debt.
Teacher Spouse 2
Nothing's paid off. Wow.
George
Was that a value that you've had for a long time to stay debt free?
Teacher Spouse 2
Yes. We've always been pretty conservative with our money, so just saving and then trying not to rack up debt.
George
Yeah. Wow. That means you probably cash flowed this Dollywood trip, I imagine.
Teacher Spouse 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
George
Wow. What does a trip to Dollywood cost in today's America?
Teacher Spouse 2
A couple thousand dollars.
George
Yeah, it's like Disney level, Right? How is that possible?
Teacher Spouse 2
I know, it. It's expensive, but it's fine and the kids love it.
George
So where are you guys from?
Teacher Spouse 2
Dallas area.
George
Okay. So it's a. It's a flight to get here.
Teacher Spouse 2
We drove.
George
Oh, that's. That's a long drive.
Teacher Spouse 2
Yeah, yeah.
George
So you got the drive, the gas, which is now pretty expensive.
Teacher Spouse 2
Right.
George
You get the lodging, the tickets, the souvenirs.
Teacher Spouse 2
Right.
George
The food.
Teacher Spouse 2
Right. Yeah, it's pretty expensive, but it's good to get the kids out and let them see some new territories.
George
Worth it for the memories.
Teacher Spouse 2
Yeah, exactly.
George
That's amazing. Did you ever have a consumer debt? Did you pay it off and stay out? You just have stayed out your whole adult life.
Teacher Spouse 2
Right, right, right. Wow.
George
Was this something you learned from your parents?
Car Owner 3
Yes.
Teacher Spouse 2
I mean, they've always had small businesses and things like that, so. I've been around money and learning about money since I was a little kid.
George
So I've always been really conservative and just common sense. Don't spend more than you got. Put money away in savings. Save up for the things you want.
Teacher Spouse 2
Right? That's right.
George
That's impressive. Well, your calm, cool demeanor, I think is partially due to the fact that you're debt free. Would you agree?
Teacher Spouse 2
Yes. It definitely keeps the pressure off of
George
you when you don't have no stress. Just bald eagles screeching for freedom out here. I love it. Well, it's great talking with you.
Teacher Spouse 2
Yeah, absolutely.
George
All right, question of the day. How much debt do you currently have? None. Zero. Zero. No consumer debt. Do you even have a mortgage? No mortgage, but you own a home free and clear.
Teacher Spouse 2
Yeah. On two acres. We just built a home.
George
Congratulations. Okay, how did you do all of this? Did you ever have debt?
Teacher Spouse 1
Oh, yeah, we did.
Teacher Spouse 2
We had a lot.
Teacher Spouse 1
We did, we did. And we, we managed our money, we took our savings, we built a house, we sold it. Then we took that money and built a house and sold it.
George
We did it right away and then
Teacher Spouse 1
took all of that money and used it to build our home.
Car Owner 3
Wow.
George
So you just snowballed it over time and you just kept on living on less than you made.
Teacher Spouse 2
Took about five years.
George
Yeah. So am I looking at an everyday millionaire right here? Are you guys close to that threshold? I don't. If you count three quarters, three quarters of a millionaire, the house for sure counts.
Teacher Spouse 1
Yeah.
Teacher Spouse 2
Oh, well, yeah, that's probably over 750.
George
That'll do it. Plus your retirement accounts and all that.
Teacher Spouse 2
Yeah.
George
That's amazing.
Teacher Spouse 1
Yeah.
George
Right.
Teacher Spouse 1
About a million.
Teacher Spouse 2
Yeah. We're just teachers.
Teacher Spouse 1
Yeah.
George
That's the number one career or number three. We got engineers, accountants, teachers in our millionaire study. Over 10,000. So you guys are right there. I'm so proud of you guys. Congratulations.
Car Owner 3
Yeah.
Teacher Spouse 2
And it's definitely, definitely free.
George
I'm going to assume you paid cash for this Dollywood trip.
Teacher Spouse 1
Yes, we got in free.
George
We got in free. Actually, our friends are passholders and so they gave us their free tickets. This is how the rich get richer. This is how you would do it for sure.
Teacher Spouse 2
We got in free because they are pass holders and we paid 50% off our daughter's ticket. So all three of us are here for 50 bucks.
George
I paid full price price to get in here like a schmuck. Oh, well, you guys deserve it. You're an awesome couple. Congratulations on the success. Enjoy your Dollywood trip.
Teacher Spouse 2
Thank you. Thanks for talking to us.
George
I gotta say, it kind of felt like debt free Dollywood today. So many people I ran into were like, yeah, I don't have debt. That's not how I roll. I cash flowed this trip. I don't have a car loan, nothing. And that was very, very encouraging. I don't know if that's because we're in the south and there's just a lot more fiscally conservative people here. But it was really inspiring. And yes, there was a bunch of people who had debt and they were a little too nonchalant about it and I wish they'd be more chalant. They're going, well, I got a low interest rate. Well, I'll pay it off one day. I'll keep my student loans until I'm dead. It's fine. And I just think you're gonna have a better life with more peace and more retirement if you can get rid of your debt faster. So if you enjoyed this video, you're gonna love the time I went to Disney to ask people the same question. Let me tell you, the mouse house did not disappoint. So check it out right here, coming up next. Or use the link in the description. Thanks for watching. We'll see you next time.
Host: George Kamel (Ramsey Network)
Date: April 20, 2026
George Kamel takes to Dollywood, America’s “friendliest theme park,” to ask regular park-goers a simple but revealing question: “How much debt do you currently have, including or excluding mortgages?” The episode is a mix of candid street interviews and playful but pointed commentary on Americans’ financial habits, with a focus on car loans, credit card usage, and the reality of debt during vacation season. The tone is energetic, humorous, and at times slightly snarky, in keeping with George’s Ramsey-inspired mission to bust money myths and demystify personal finance.
Debt for Cars and Vacations
Spectator Approach to Ramsey Principles
Vague or Deferred Plans
Extra Payments and Bonuses
Excuses Around Low-Interest Debt
Unusual Household Financial Arrangements
Strong Savers and Retirement Planners
Investment vs. Consumption
Teachers with No Consumer Debt
Generational Money Values
Creative Saving on Vacation
A Surprising Number of Debt-Free Families:
George expresses hope after discovering how many people at Dollywood have avoided consumer debt, contrasting this with common American trends.
Debt Rationalizations vs. Discipline:
The episode spotlights how easy it is to rationalize “good” debt, but also how discipline and generational habits lead to freedom.
Compound Growth vs. Depreciation:
A recurring lesson: investing what would have been a car payment creates transformative financial outcomes versus sinking it into a depreciating asset.
Empowering Everyday Millionaires:
The most inspiring stories come from everyday people—many of them teachers—who quietly build wealth through diligence, saving, and living below their means.
“I gotta say, it kind of felt like debt free Dollywood today. So many people I ran into were like, yeah, I don’t have debt. That’s not how I roll. I cash flowed this trip. I don’t have a car loan, nothing. And that was very, very encouraging.” (16:29)
Useful for anyone considering:
Bottom line: Whether you’re a debt-free enthusiast or struggling spectator, the episode is packed with revealing, relatable stories and sharp financial wisdom—all delivered with George’s signature pop-culture wit and no-nonsense advice.