
Keia’s back ya’ll! Sit with us around the kitchen table for a solid debrief.
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Your hands on my hips Pull me right back to you can't you thrust? Give it right back to you so deep I'm breathing for you Grab my braids arch my back up for you Dear arms wearing. My lord. I realized this turned from Jill to Tony real fast. I mean. Back to you and give it right back. Yes, I'm be crown royal on eyes ground royal. I figured I'd open up our women's history month. Oh, yes. Our favorite nutty Auntie
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Michael. Gang, welcome back.
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Praise the Lord.
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Praise the Lord. Hi, guys. I am back in this seat.
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I'm so excited to return.
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I have to first thank you all. Please know that I am so appreciative of all of your thoughts, prayers, well wishes, support, not only for me, but for my entire family. You know, we're still in the thick of things, and I just. I'm so appreciative to Jade and our team and. And all of. All of my friends and sisters that came through and held it down while I needed to attend to family matters. So thank you, Shanti. Dr. Wendy, Franiqua, Nikki. Yeah, the girls came through so much. I am so, so, so, so, so appreciative. I've spoken to each one of them individually to thank them, but I just, you know, had to very publicly express my appreciation and gratitude, you know, here at the kitchen table again, it means so much. You know, we talk so much about community on this show, but this, you know, y' all really just demonstrated community and practice. Because no one that I spoke to, you know, everyone was like, girl, of course I did. Like, it was not like a thought. It was not like a, oh, let me see if I can work this out. It was an immediate, yes, I will. And that really just. That really just was such a. A blessing and an uplift to me. And so, yeah, we're gonna. Jaden, I talked about it. We're going to. When the timing will have a more formal conversation about sort of just grief and grandparents and. And DDI more specifically. But I'm just grateful to be back here at the kitchen table with my slurs.
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Yes. Oh, and I'm so happy to have you. I'm so relieved.
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Oh, sister.
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You know, I know that people miss you. I know there are people listening that are like, thank fucking no way. No way. By herself. No more.
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No way, no more.
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No. Oh, no, no. It's a good.
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It's so good. It's so good. And, you know, I think that shows and we should, you know, more. More of this, like, you know, getting grown. There will be things, I think that, you know, I don't think it should. We should have to only follow that model.
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Absolutely.
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Times. You know what I'm saying?
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Absolutely.
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So to me, it's just like, you know, there's lots of different opportunities because life be lifing and we have to adjust all around. But no, I'm grateful. I'm so grateful. I've listened to all the episodes enjoyed them immensely. And so. Yeah. So good. It's so good. And so grateful to be back with some of my favorite blacks here at the kitchen table again.
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Yes. And you listen, just because Kia was not here physically with us for. For Negro History Month.
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Oh, my God.
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You know, it stays. It stays Negro history over here.
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We have Negro history all year long. And me and my mom were talking about, like, you know, did I w. You know, DD's funeral being in Black History Month is on brand.
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It is on brand. Yes.
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It is so apropos.
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Okay. And you know, because Dida is black
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history in every way. And he was so. He's so quintessentially black. He is, you know what I'm saying? So much of the things that I love and celebrate about my blackness, you know, things that he very much, you know, very centrally core to who we are. Okay. We talk about the originator of soul Toast.
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You know, that's the first thing that came to my head is soul Toast. No, we have to have an in depth conversation. Cause we do. We gotta talk about Dita. We gotta talk about my grandpa Joseph, of course, who always had a pot of pinto beans on the stove. It did not matter. The day, the time, anything. Yeah.
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In the culture wars. Right. Because there's always some culture wars down to the Internet, right? You always have the children of the, of the diaspora at odds with one another. But the, but you know, I don't like to tussle over there in those
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Internet streets with those people.
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I, I, I do not. I like to stay among the people who have literacy and comprehension.
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Well, I thought, I thought I was doing that, but I have.
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You are.
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No, no, no. I have ruffled feathers. I realized recently. I have. Yeah, because, because, because on Jaiden xd, All right. I hipped Xavier, Okay. To my new knowledge, okay. Of the FBAs.
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FBAs. There's so many acronyms in life these days.
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The Foundational Black Americans.
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Okay.
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Have you, I don't feel like I
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have, have come across this nomenclature specifically, but can you expound a bit on what an FBA is?
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I think you should.
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Okay, okay. I'll do some research that's really right in my head.
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Do a quick Google search and. Because at first glance it feels like
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it sounds like something that would be,
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you know, very much my street. And then I went into a rabbit hole of social media and realized like.
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Okay, okay what? Okay, okay, I'm gonna go. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, okay. Do y' all see? Oh, Christ Jesus. You see here?
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You see and okay, all right. Yeah. So you, so you see here. So the things that I, and the people who I pissed off, I'm like, I, Somebody said, I never thought I'd see the day where I'd have to stop listening to Jaded XD because how dare you discredit blacks for their contribution to this country. And I said, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. Hold the fuck on. I, Me, me, nigga. I would never in my life what I, what I did find out from. And you just did the quickest search ever. I want you to know that I watch videos. I watched ample videos of people spewing all kinds of.
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This is like an organization.
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It's like, it's, it's, it's hateful rhetoric because what it does is, it is, is divisive to the diaspora.
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I have not heard this before in my life.
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Well, probably because, again, you surround yourself with, you know, sense and sensibility. These are people who think that, who don't consider themselves a part of the diaspora. And then, and I'm not talking about everybod under this whole umbrella. I'm talking about the shit that I watched. It was a lot of like, it was a lot of like, anti immigrant rhetoric, you know what I'm saying? Specifically also aimed at, for instance, the Somali population in Minnesota. You see what I'm saying? It was, you know, it was very much like, they're taking our jobs. And I was like, whoa, hold on. Like, whoa. Wow. That.
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We.
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We. What about we? So, so that's where I'm like, if somebody. Yeah, I want you to do a
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deep dive, a deeper dive into that.
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It got real old school YouTube conspiracy. Like, it got real. It got, it, it's, it got maga. It got maga.
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Well, and I think this is, this to me begs a larger conversation, right? Because I think our, I think we have to be very careful about adopting sort of the conventional tools and systems and structures of like, power and dominance and oppression. Right? Because I think a lot of times, you know, we lose sight of the fact that it's not the shark, it's the water. And we're all, if we are not intentional and being critical to marginalization of all forms, like, I don't know, like, then, then it's very, it's very, it will very quickly devolve into us. Them conversations that are not productive.
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Exactly, Exactly.
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So again, I've just literally skimmed through one website. So this is me not having a depth of understanding. But I will do my homework for sure.
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I would really love if you would, and I would love for you to bring your academic lens to the kick because I, I, I don't always have all the, I just, you know what I'm saying? They came and I was like, yo, you niggas are crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like, get the fuck. And you crazy ass niggas are not getting ready to turn my brain into some nutty ass shit. I'm very proud to be black American. I'm very proud. We have had this conversation. We had a whole motherfucking episode on it. And we'll have to continue the conversations. I'm very proud to be black American. Yeah, I love my. I also know that I do come from my roots are African and they do come through the transatlantic slave trade.
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Absolutely.
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Am I proud of that or hype about that? No, but that's just what it is, nigga. That's just what it is.
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Yeah. We will, we will always leverage inclusive lenses, cumulative lenses, lenses that the expansive nature of blackness, instead of trying to thank you to get caught up in this is black and this is not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So, yeah, again, I will do. I will do. Said, let me stop this right here
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before this says something else. Wow.
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No, you haven't said anything Wow. I think what I'm trying. I think the point I was trying to make is that we have always been a space that has celebrated black American culture in. In a world that. Where there are lives of people, black, brown, white, all of. Like, there's a lot of people generally who question the existence of black American culture.
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Yes. And I think that. I think that is a very important conversation for sure.
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So I. That's the point I was trying to make is that we. We are. We are not like, we. We are not apologists about that. We. We very much situate and celebrate and amplify black American culture within conversations of. Of just broad, diasporic celebrations of blackness. Yeah, yeah. And African identity, African lineage, African descendancy. It's. It's like all of that, you know, all of that is always both, and it's not either or. Right. Because we have to look at all of these things holistically and exactly in ways that acknowledge all the complexity and dimension thereof. So what. So that's the point I was trying to make. I don't know anything about this, but I will do my diligence and. And get into it, but please do just hard stop. Like, it is. It is always black American culture, Blackness globally. Yeah. That's all. All the. That's all what getting grow has always been about. Because, you know, as I said, my grandfather coined the term soul toast. So let's not. Let's not get any. Let's not be mistaken about that.
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No, no, no.
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Wow. Okay.
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Yeah. I don't.
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This is. This is the. That's the cost. And there's a pro and con always to being out here on these Internet streets. Right. Because I do not wish to engage. I don't want to tussle with these people.
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I'm not fighting with you with my. You know how I feel about. I'm not arguing with you with my thumbs. I'm not arguing with you in general.
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Exactly.
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I don't mind tussling. Let's tussle. But I'm not. I'm not fighting you with my thumbs. And also, I'm not. I'm not getting ready to go back and forth with you with your crazy ass. Yes. I'm just not.
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We need. We don't have time. It is literally like, to me, red pill content that is sent to. To distract and divide. Yes. We don't have time for that. Exactly. We. We don't have time. We don't have time.
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I just got bombed, okay? I just got bought. Like, we are on the precipice. Of World War three, okay? We've been watching a genocide for the last three years. Damn near we've been watching.
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I don't want to argue.
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You know what I'm saying? It's Ramadan, and there's people in Sudan who can't observe it in the way that they should be able to. Like, please shut the fuck up with nonsensical bullshit with me. There's big shit going on. Okay?
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Anyway, welcome back. We are here today. It is. We are continuing our celebration of black history as we do every year. Yes, we have. Listen, sister, let's.
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Let's.
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Let's move forward. You doing all right? We provided all of the, you know, all things considered.
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Oh, all things considered, yes.
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All things.
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You know, am I, like, over here trying to figure out where our shelter is? Yeah, but I. All things.
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God. I woke up this morning and literally was just like, oh, like, oh, oh.
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I'm going. Be honest with you. I. I said a prayer, right? Okay. And I'm like, normally, I don't put my prayers all out there, but I'm going. Go ahead and put this out there, because if you all want to collect this energy, I understand there will be. People will be like, whoa, not my bag. But if y' all want to collect this energy with me, and we just like. I was like, you know, great spirit that be whoever that is. Like, whoever your great spirit is. Okay. Yahweh, Allah, like, whatever, whoever it is. If you could just, like, open up the ground and absorb the. Who deserve it, you know? Robert Townsend made a fantastic film.
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Oh, we love Robert Townsend.
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Many years ago, as a child, it was one of my favorites. It was called Meteor Man. It had Luther Vandross in it. It had another bad creation in it. Lutheran Zoni. I want to save them boys made an appearance. Absolutely. Was James Earl Jones in that? Was James Earl Jones in Abely?
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James Earl Jones was in Absolutely black
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History and countless others. And, you know, it was one of my favorites ever. But I say all that to say, Meteor Men, you know, just taking, like, Don Cheadle was in it, because they had this organization called the Golden Lords. And Don Cheadle was one of the heads and blew the van dresses in it. And they all had blonde hair, all of the girls, and they were all black. Yeah, everybody was in it. Yes. Yes. Meteor man was one of my favorites.
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Everyone was in it. Sinbad was in it.
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Too bad was Sinbad was. He was on. He was like, on the good. He was like Meteor man side. He wasn't on the Golden Lord side.
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Everyone was in it. Everyone was in it. Everyone. Everyone.
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It was amazing. Just so if you all have never heard of Media Men, you're welcome. Okay. I just put you on to that is true black history.
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If there are any young people listening. Okay.
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I remember when Media man came out in 93 and I was. And we were so excited. We were so excited.
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I do too. I remember that as well.
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It was also because I was a great big the Boys fan and another bad creation. So I was like, okay, that's like equivalent to you all to.
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I don't know. Are they. Do they have Boy Man?
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I think that was just for us. I don't think they had.
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Is it Dude.
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But it's Koreans.
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The demon hunter children.
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I didn't mean to say it. I didn't mean to say it like that. See, I said the Koreans. No, I didn't mean it like that.
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Well, I said the D100.
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That was very Auntie. It is. There's. I forget what the group is called. I keep calling Boys for now. But that's not their name because that's from Bob's Burgers. But it's. It's a but. And then also Noah. I told xd, Noah keeps like calling me racist because I don't know the difference between J pop and K pop. So then I'll call a K pop group of J. So. But anyway, this group, I'll tell you one thing. They're all extremely light skinned. Well, I don't think. I don't. Ignorant, maybe. Racist. No, no, no. Ill intent. Okay. I'm still allowed an Afro punk. But it's a bunch of light skinned young men who are either from Korea or Japan. And because that's globally white supremacy. The shark. The water. Excuse me. The water invaded. We've got to get the soaps out of everywhere. Take the soap. We got to get these soaps. We got to get them out of Korea. We got to get them out of Flatbush. We've got to get them out of Nigeria. We've got to get them out of the beauty supply store. We have got to. Oh, the bleaching soaps stress me out. They never do anything for anybody. They don't do anything for anyone. I've never seen a good result.
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Me neither.
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Anywho. All right. Well, I've taken this whole top of this show into a. A pit of problematic, so. Oh God. They don't have boy bands anymore. That's where the world started going. There's no black boy bands and they weren't even called boy bands and they was called groups.
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Contemporary.
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We could literally sister. We could rattle off. We could rattle off 10 different groups and. And still counting at a period of time. H. Town Boyz II Men. Like again, another bad creation. The Boys New edition. What was Teddy Riley and them even like?
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Black Street.
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Black. No, not Black Street. Before Black Street. Before Black Street. Rum shaker. Rum Shaker effect. Like we could name you see how we can just. Now. Crickets. Lt. Why are you looking at your phone like that, bro? I just downloaded a whole movie at lightning Speed. Cricket Wireless 5G got me moving different, man. Stop.
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Yeah, you probably downloaded the trailer.
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Nah, for real. That's how fast this is. I'm streaming, gaming, scrolling. All the good stuff. Hmm. Man, how much you paying? It's Cricut. So you can count on great value.
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well yeah. Now did you know. Now another thing because, you know, we've not caught up in a while, so I, I one thing that I, I fell into a rabbit hole just seeing the girls that I did not engage. Right. Because of course I'm really trying to just maintain my peace. But I fell down into and you know, threads has become a breeding ground for rage bait. And I just have to really, really, I need to pay attention. I really have to focus and be intentional about the time that I've been over there because the girls like to, they like to get on my nerves. One thing that I will say down to the threads, I got caught up in, somebody debated. The girls were debating and I saw that there's a whole layer of people on threads who were who Black men, I believe. Who, who were complaining that it should have been Chris Brown at the super bowl, not Bad Bunny.
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Why is this conversation?
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Wow, it was so wild.
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I was like, wow, where did that even come from?
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I don't know. But there was really, I, I just stumbled upon this whole like, I mean a deep, deep thread, long, very expansive thread where it was like a bunch of black men. I think Chris Brown might have been, he might have started it like because he evidently he reposted like during Bad Bunny's super bowl performance, he said something like it should have been me or something like that. And that just activated all of the niggas of all, all the y ins. It's like they heard the call and they all ran to the threads to talk about why. And it was like, okay. It really, it quickly devolved into again, it's just self hating, anti blackness within, you know, these talking to themselves. It was fascinating.
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And yeah. How did it go?
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There were black men who felt some sort of way. There were black men who felt some sort of way. You see black people that felt some sort of way.
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Chris Brown wasn't chosen.
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Yes. That we. It was just the same way that the white nationalists were upset that the super bowl was in Spanish and they hosted tea. Yes. Yes. And they were. And they were Upset that the same way they felt like, you know, bad bunny and. And it shouldn't have been in Spanish. I mean, it was just very much like Daquan and them was over there just upset in their feelings. Okay.
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I didn't even.
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I didn't even know. And I was like, see, that's why I got to stay off of the Internet. And I don't come over here to the Y N section of the Internet
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because it's just like, why all the. In the world.
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I mean, how is Christopher?
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I have a. Okay, Christopher, come sit down really fast here really quickly at this kitchen table. Let's.
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He is not coming, honey. He don't want to hear from me.
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Christopher.
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He don't listen. He don't want to hear from me.
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No, come sit down really fast. I just. Let me talk. And all the rest of you, wayward. Sure, listen in if you feel like your heart shall be moved a little bit. If not, like, go. Go over to the Checkers and order yourself some ranch fries or whatever the it is you like to do. Get away from me. Okay, Christopher.
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Oh, my.
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You need help. Oh, okay. You need to go to therapy. There's been so many things that have transpired, and while I do not believe that you should be out in the streets like a Pharisee, you know what I'm saying? Like, with this being a public display, you also have shown absolutely no remorse or taken any real accountability for the way that you have been a wayward man for a very long time. Over a decade, we've been hearing of your waywardness.
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Yes, indeed.
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And so it's not. This doesn't just land with, you know, what? The. With Rihanna and all. This is not just that, okay? This is so much history. And also, you may not like me saying this, but your mother, she is part of the problem, okay? She. Because you. You have been enabled to be the person that you continue to be for all of this time. You have been enabled to be that. But I am holding your feet to the fire. And as you know, some of these niggas like to say, I'm calling you in instead of out. Take a black ass to therapy. That's not your black. Oh, it's. I feel like it is.
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Take.
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Take your black ass to therapy and sit down on a couch and listen to somebody with some good sense and sensibility. Not the niggas around you. Sit down. Go listen to somebody who is learned, okay? And credentialed, trained.
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It can help.
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It can help you to figure out what the fuck has gone awry. And then so you can put it back in order because it's not too late for you, you see, And I
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think that this is the real currency in the meat of the matter when it comes to adulting. Right. Because there is this entitlement that. That people expect. Right. Or they feel, you know, like. They feel like they have. They. They demand certain things and they think that it just comes as a function of their humanity, when actually a lot of this comes as a function of your practice and how you treat people right, how you show up in the world, how you engage, how you conduct yourself. Like they're, you know, like, unfortunately, none of us, particularly as black and brown people, are afforded a clean slate. You know what I'm saying? So we, you know, how we show up in spaces, how we present, especially over time, especially in the public eye, that matters for how you are received.
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Yes.
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And. And I think the work and what's been so wonderful about therapy, right, is that it is been like, designated time for us to sit and think and reflect about our practice, like how we, like, you know, that. How we actually show up and then we can take responsibility for things.
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Yeah.
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It is not just. It is not just about, like, certain pathologies or limitations. It is literally about just like how we live our lives, how we negotiate very general things. Like. And I persisted and, you know, I think it's just such a value in, you know, taking, you know, that, you know, take being intentional about that. And I think not just. I think, you know, what we see in Chris Brown, among others, it's just sort of like, you know, what happens when you don't do that? What happens when you don't do that? And when you don't have people breathe,
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it brings a nasty. Of a nasty little bed of entitlement is what it does. And then you continue to, like, turn into this rotten person because you are just enabled to run the amok, which is what this nigga has been doing for sure.
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Your talent will only get you into certain spaces. Your character, your integrity is what will keep you there.
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Okay. Yeah.
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And we have. You have invested so much in your talent, which is without question. Right. We're not denying the fact that you are a very talented.
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Notice that I never wanted said this. Could not dance. He couldn't shimmy or shake a tail feather. You know, even his little. His little. I don't. Didn't even talk about his little voice. You know what I'm saying?
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We never doubted. We've never doubted that.
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Right.
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That does not Give you license to treat people horribly.
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To run the amok. Okay.
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To treat people horribly. Like generally speaking. And then at the same time expect or feel entitled to, you know, this reverence and regard. You know what I'm saying? I think he wants us to celebrate and lift him up and all of that. And we are happy to do that, but not without, you know, parameters like, you know, it's got to be both. And we will not just celebrate your talent while allowing your character to be toilet. Like, you're. Yeah, you're toilet worthy. Your character is a trash worthy. Your character is fart.
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It stinks. It fucking stinks, nigga is what it does. And we've watched you stink for a long time. You've got the assault with Rihanna terrorize that little half Jamaican girl outside the club. You. You ran off to Europe. You've got multiple assault charges. Like accusations. Excuse me, accusations.
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Exactly the alleged way. Disparaging against, you know, dark skinned women.
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Also that. Yes, also that horrible thing said. Horrible things said. I just.
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You. I just probably don't want to hear from me. Okay. He probably called me all kinds.
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Well, he should hear. No, but please. But please.
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But I wish he was.
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I wish he would.
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I wish all of that to say no.
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And if that's your deflection to get to a. Well, fuck you or whatever the case is, then that. Then you are literally proving our point that you stink. And I'm. I'm asking you, I'm getting like, I'm telling you, if you go sit down and really get intentional about digging deep to your core, it's not stink forever.
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That's the thing. That's what I'm saying. And I think all of us. That's not just me. Yes. For. For people, particularly people who have large platform forms and notoriety and the responsibilities. Sor.
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I am sorry.
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No, but I'm saying the responsibility that comes with visibility.
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Yeah, right. Yeah.
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It's not just for that. I think this also carries over to just all of us regular, everyday, regular degular everyday folk.
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I'm about to start a new. I never thought I'd say. I'm gonna start a new podcast and I'm gonna invite a bunch of celebrities. But who the is this? I'm gonna invite a bunch of them. Be like, all right, let's talk about. About all the ways that you've been stinking publicly and how you cannot stick anymore.
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Your podcast. Air it out. Yeah, we're gonna air you out. Okay. That's what we're gonna do. Let. We invite you to come in to us and allow us to air you out. You need to be aired out.
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So we have. We have observed your stinking practices over the age.
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And I'm not here to again, I'm not calling. Calling you out. I'm calling you in. I'm telling you all the ways you stay because you're rich as. And you haven't said about all the atrocities happening in the world. Why come for. Why for come.
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You want us to run behind you and say that you could do the moonwalk? I mean, come on.
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We know. We know you can do the moonwalk. We got eyes and they work. That is. This is not about your little moonwalk. This is about your moon cookie face and how you have literally been running it the fuck amok all over this world, spewing nastiness.
B
Benito. And leave Bonito alone.
A
Okay? Let that young man have his moment.
B
Leave Benito alone.
A
Let that young man have his moment. I enjoy it.
B
I do enjoy it. I feel like Benito got a praying abuelita somewhere.
A
Okay.
B
I sense that he is my cousin. He is my primo in the spirit realm.
A
Yeah, Black. He's my pretty dog in the spirit realm.
B
I sense that he has a prayer abuelita somewhere, and I enjoy that. Boni.
A
The diaspora. Okay? The diaspora. Let's talk about it again.
B
Like, I. I just feel like.
A
Let.
B
Let him alone. And because you acting nasty, that's why you don't get invited. You say that's exact. Because you act nasty. So why would they invite you? And all you're doing is bumping your gums over on the Internet when all you had to do was say, that was nice.
A
Because it was.
B
We all enjoyed the super bowl halftime show, did we not? We did. And I didn't know what he was saying, but I was sure enough, sure enough getting my merengue on right down in the living room was. Yes, I was. Period. Okay?
A
I love. And I especially love things during this celebration of Bad Bunny. It was a time to be alive. It was a grand, grand, grand time. What else has gone on since you've been gone? Oh, my God, I love her.
B
Let's see.
A
I don't know. Oh, the bafta.
B
Okay, so here's what I. Here, let me. If we just. Let's go on and be problematic, then
A
if we're gonna do it. Take me through there. Take me through there. Let's go.
B
Here is my question, okay. Because I honestly. I honestly would like to. And I, you know, I do. Like I said, I do my due Diligence. I like to speak from an informed perspective. So I don't. Most of the time when I'm quiet, it's typically because I don't really know what to say. I'm going to gather my. My thoughts and really ground them in know some reading and comprehension before I just get on here and debunking my gun. So one of the things I have been looking for in my research. Right. I want to. I would really love to hear from our black and brown friend. I know there are black and brown people with Tourette's, right?
A
Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
B
And I want to hear from them regarding this, because what I want to say is
A
why?
B
What about it? Like, what about it is. When do. I've never heard any black or brown person. And I could be wrong. But, like, if it was a black and brown person screaming derogatives in public like this about white folk, would it have been handled or would we still be asking for and. Or calling for receive, you know, grace and understanding? I think I know the answer to that.
A
Absolutely not. And I'm gonna tell you why. Because. Okay, so I've seen. I have seen actually some black people with Tourette syndrome who live with Tourette syndrome online. I've seen some of the discourse, and I feel like it has varied. Right. There have been those who have said no. There was no. There's like, there's no excuse. And then there are those who have said, who have kind of broken down that sometimes Tourette syndrome will. Will have you saying the thing you don't want to say the most.
B
Okay.
A
So for me, it is less about the Tourette syndrome. Right. I don't fully understand. I've seen varying things. I think people have varying experiences. So it's less about the Tourette syndrome for me and more about the fact that the fucking BBC.
C
Mm.
B
Did not.
A
Could have done something. But because you know what you all did do you censored. You censored somebody saying free Palestine.
B
For sure. For sure.
A
You allowed. And you could see the discomfort on Delroy and Michael. You could see the confusion and then
B
the discomfort, which broke my heart, which made me want to grease my face up.
A
No, I was ready to fight. Delroy looked like he wanted to fight. I told XD he looked like he. Yeah, he. And I did too. Michael was just confused. Well, he. And he generally looks confused, but it was like, really apparent and justified this time. I love Michael B. Joy, please don't
B
you come for the kid?
A
I'm a giant. I'm a giant sinners fan. Okay. Fruitvale Station. Very dark movie, but yes, necessary. I love Michael B. Jordan.
B
I had an emotional breakdown in the theater. I saw Fruit Bell Station in the
A
theater and literally that was done.
B
Let myself off the floor.
A
But the wire. Avid watcher of the wire. Which is why to me, Michael B. Jo. I say that with love because Michael B. Jordan is forever in my mind. 12
B
fair.
A
Totally fair.
B
Totally fair. Until.
A
Until Sinners.
B
I said, now wait a minute here.
A
Smoking stack.
C
Hello.
B
Good morning.
A
Which one of y'? All?
B
I don't know. Me and Crystal. I told Crystal I like Crystal was terrified for most of sinners.
A
Yeah. I'm surprised you two went to see.
B
Yeah, I watched it like this most of the whole time. I watched it like that. I watched just like that. I said, oh my God. And, and as I said, it was a beautiful film. It was filmed, shot beautifully. The story all seems amazing and I'm glad that I saw it. I will also never see it again. But that's just me.
A
I'm so sad because me and Crystal was supposed to go see it. You know it was filmed, I think 35 millimeter. The camera.
B
Yeah.
A
Film people don't come for me. I ain't no film person if I said that wrong. But you know the original camera that it was filmed, it is what they were showing it in. And so I was like, oh, I want to see that. Because it was already beautiful on its own. So I can only imagine it in the state it's supposed to be viewed in. Right.
B
For sure.
A
I got stuck in traffic.
B
Oh no.
A
Because of the nypd. But I got stuck in traffic foot literally to the point where we had to turn around. Like I just missed the whole movie. It wasn't even that leaving late. It was just one of those, you know, one of those things in the city. But I wanted to see. So now I'm. I'm hesitant to watch it from home because I've only seen it in the theater. And I'm like, I just feel like it needs to be absorbed in its full glory. I will watch it. I will watch it again. It was fantastic.
B
I agree with you that, that, that yes. Less about the Tourette's. I'm just interested in curious and just sort of my building my own understanding about like yeah. Syndrome and understanding sort of like you know what that experience is like again. You know, you know you like you said point very well taken in terms of BAFTA and the BBC.
A
That's who the problem because they were
B
on, they were on a two hour delay. So There was more than enough time.
A
Oh, no. That was intentional. Morgan spew his garbage all over you like. So I don't have. No. And you already see what's going down with this Paramount deal. Like I. I saw. I said you. Okay, so I'll never be on TV because they. I'll never. I'll never be on tv like they were banded. They better, baby. Susan Sarandon's agency fired her. Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Susan Sarandon's agency fired her for Bri.
B
For. For.
A
For marching Amber and being pro humanity craziness. But for being pro Palestine. They fired her. So if the stepmother.
B
Wow.
A
You know what I'm saying, my black ass. No, you know, it's. Wrap it up, up. I'm gonna find something else to do because you know, the evil powers that be are continuing to take the places where they hold all of this control. Which again, goes back to my prayer from earlier. Oh, Lord, Grace, spirit, if you just. Or bust out a couple of like, you know, natural selection. So I just. I. Okay, Ty, bleep me if you need. If you must, bleed me a few months. Yo, T, Why are you looking at your phone like that, bro? I just downloaded a whole movie at lightning Speed. Cricket Wireless 5G got me moving. Different man. Stop playing.
B
You probably downloaded the trailer.
A
Nah, for real. That's how fast this is. I'm streaming, gaming, scrolling, all the good stuff. H, man, how much you paying? It's Cricket, so you can count on great value.
B
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C
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A
K is like, I don't know where to go from there. Did you watch new Matlock? I did.
B
I was watching Bridgeton.
A
Oh, no, no, no. The first. So sister, we've been on a break since before the holidays. The first episode just came back.
B
Really? Okay, good. So I can get caught up.
A
And I'm curious to hear.
B
Well, is Elspeth back?
A
Else is also back.
B
Oh, my girl.
A
And Go Ghosts. My three shows. Oh, yeah. So. But okay, Matlock. And this is not a spoiler, so. But they incorporated a nice storyline.
B
Oh, really?
A
In the first episode back and I was like, interesting. I love it with the girls, huh?
B
Okay.
A
Yeah.
B
Okay. So I will. I will get caught up. I will absolutely get caught up and looking forward to that. I was watching. I watched season four of Bridgerton. I concluded that last night.
A
I've never watched.
B
So. The thing about Bridgerton, and I know it's a. It's an acquired taste. Right. I think people either really like it or they really don't. But. But I. What I appreciate about it is, I think. And I think I kind of go back and forth. There's some. It is truly written in ways that aim to be race neutral.
A
I've noticed.
B
And I think that. I think what I. And I, again, I say, I go back and forth. Sometimes I am annoyed by that. Other times. I think it's useful, though, in terms of. It helps us really understand class, how class is really the divider. Like race functions in a way to sort of, you know, stratify society and our experience, but class does it in ways that impact all races. So it's interesting to sort of see that play out. I think it also positions us, you know, helps us to sort of turn our current racial politic on its ear in that it does put people of color in high society. And we get to see that, you know, it is fantasy, but I can see the. Be like, you know what I'm saying? Like a Queen Charlotte, you know, and it is fictionized, but, you know, Queen Charlotte was in fact a woman of color. So we're able to sort of, you know, see through a fictional lens what that might have been like.
A
Yes.
B
And then under. So I think that that's one thing about it that I can appreciate, and I think it pushes me. Right. There are some shows that you watch and you just enjoy, and I think there are some shows that should make you sort of think. And I think, you know, you know, you can watch Bridgerton and just sort of enjoy sort of like the, you know, rom com nature. But if you do allow yourself to sort of, you know, watch kind of like the Gilded Age, like there are ways in which we can watch these period pieces.
A
Yeah.
B
And use them as a lens for thinking about sort of like what, you know, for our own society and where we are now in our own lived experiences, you know, given our identities. And so there are. There are things about this season of Bridgeton that I feel like really got at that. Okay. Deeper than we have in the past. Right. Okay. Okay. Because, you know, the main love interest is between a man of high society And a woman who is considered a maid and in many times, illegitimate. Right. And so we get to trouble this notion of legitimacy. And so it was actually like, really, like, okay, okay,
A
okay.
B
I think I see where you're going. Sometimes it gets annoying. Like, girl. Like, let's just. Okay. But other times, you know, I'm just like, okay, we get to trouble this notion of legitimacy and see a black woman as queen. Which is really. Which is really.
A
Which. I love the visual of that. I think my. You know, like, when. You know, like, Disney, when they would. You know, it would be.
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A
It'd be this black mother and the Chinese father and then. Yeah, you know, the East Indian kid. I see. I see what many people are doing here. I. I get it. But you know this. I get it. And also, I'm distracted, you know, So I think. But I. But I do. I do think that that lens is also very important, what you said. And it's a good perspective. Perspective.
B
Yeah.
A
Speaking of which.
B
Okay.
A
Did you see that? Because I'm not calling that that. You are not Igbo. Did you see that? Rachel Dolezal. Mark Lamont Hill had Rachel Dolezal. I did an interview. I don't know.
B
Oh, I did not see that.
A
Oh, you didn't. You didn't see the clip? I think you should watch it right now.
B
The Lord is protecting me. No, I think you should go watch
A
it right this second.
B
I don't wanna.
A
I wanna see your live reaction to this clip.
B
Wow. Yeah.
A
Yeah.
B
I don't even want to put this in my search because I don't want any algorithms.
A
Just. Just go to Mark's page. It's on his page. Go to his page on Instagram. Yes. And let's be clear. I like Mark Lamont Hill. I also want to know what the. Your purpose was, my brother. Like, I want to know what you were doing. I feel like it's rage, baby. But, please, I want you to. I want to see your live reaction as you watch this.
B
Do you?
A
I do.
B
Oh.
A
Oh.
B
See, my Internet is slow. It knows that this is not something that I should be doing. That's what I feel like my Internet is saying, girl. I don't feel like this is the right thing.
A
No, it does want you to watch.
B
I don't know about me. It wants me.
A
It wants me to see you watch anything else about.
B
I'm gonna have to go through my iPad because my computer doesn't want to give it to me.
A
Wow.
B
I probably need to do some software updates and things. Of that nature on this here device.
A
I love to put a software update on the Apple
B
mark. Oh, did you hear that? Okay, which one? Oh, my God, look at this. White background is going for a black scholarship or is identifying as black in the social. Of course. Felicia is just front and center.
A
You know, she is. I love Felicia.
B
Ancestrally white background is going for a black scholarship or I don't even want to see her face back in the social circle. There's a certain collective understanding we have as a society about what that means. At some point, it becomes misleading. I stand by the life that I continue to live. Okay. Relationships I have.
A
No, no, keep going.
B
We don't know that race is real. Well, no, we don't. That's been a social construct. What deconstruct. And we don't have to agree with the race worldview.
A
We don't.
B
Rachel. Just continue to, you know, walk in lockstep because that's what everybody else is doing. Do you see transracial identity as more. More or less legitimate than transgender identity? I have never identified as transracial. You can't lie about a lie. Like race is a construct. Who is in ktjo? I'm a. An artist, a creator, a master gardener, social justice advocate. A master gardener.
A
Garden these nuts. Like what?
B
I don't want it.
A
Racism.
B
Racism.
A
Construct. But racism is not racism. What? Like. That is an experience. That is a lived experience. You are. That many people continue to face, especially in this country. That was my main question. What is the purpose of this purpose? Why would America do that? And why would you do that in Black History Month?
B
Exactly. What is the purpose?
A
What you're doing, my brother?
B
The reason for this conversation. Why do we need this? Why do we need to hear from behind the scene about these things? Things. Is it on the Patreon?
A
I don't know. I won't be partaking in its entire Patreon. Mike, you.
B
And that's where it belongs. Because.
A
But you didn't need to do that. Like, I just didn't understand what was the reason.
B
I don't like even this clip. Like, you know, is this. This clip does nothing to.
A
It feels. But you know what Joseph is saying? Joseph is like. You see, it's starting discourse. Yeah. It's gonna get niggas to subscribe. But Mark is better than that. Mark is better than platforming that kind of foolishness in Black History Month.
B
What is the reason?
A
And I get it. Like, people will tell you go watch the whole thing, and you'll see that I made. No, but no, no. I've automatically discussed it. I'm nauseous.
B
Again, this is not a clean slate. Like, it's not like we're just sitting down. Like, we're sitting down to a conversation with this person that we don't know about. This person has been harmful and problematic. Yeah. And so I feel like I would need to know why. Like, you know, what value add here, What's. Is there a net positive to me sitting down and hearing what this person has to say about race as a social construct?
A
The other side to that is. And you. And you have a massive platform. You have the ability to showcase and platform a lot of black people and women who maybe need that kind of push. I don't know if you realize that since this whole DEI initiative, these cuts in the past couple of years. Years has has tanked a lot of our incomes.
B
Oh.
A
And opportunities and partnerships. So, like, for her.
B
Exactly.
A
And so for.
B
And so for.
A
For. For this time for her to be. You know what I'm saying? Like, what was the reason? What was the reason?
B
Unemployment for black women is literally at. It's. It is. It is worsening at an unprecedented rate. Just within the last. The last three years. The last. The last three years, it has been progressively worse. But in the last year, it doubled how bad it was in the two years prior.
A
Hey, what's up? Hello. I am black. Like, I am struggling right now. I'm. I've told y', all, that is not. This is not a game. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm like, I. I haven't done numbers like this. This in a long time. What's happening right now. I know what's happening. So it's. It's insulting that when you have this stage and you have this platform and you. And. And Mark Lamont Hill is a. Is a sensible person. You know what I'm saying? Like, I generally respect what comes out of his mouth for the most part. You know, I agree with many of the. Many of his stances on things. So it's just. It's disappointing. It's disappointing. It's disappointing. And I, I just. I'm over. I'm over rage baiting. I'm. Oh, like, I'm like. I get it. Engagement. Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. But this engagement farming is also like a. Again, like you said, this is a person who has been harmful and continues to be harmful. And then on top of that, you got so many other people that you can really like. Like, like, I just don't.
B
I don't and just in that, in that. And I don't know, maybe it could just be my lens and my biases sort of, you know, at the forefront here. But, like, even watching that clip, that person does not appear to want. You know what I'm saying? There's a dis here.
A
Yeah.
B
There's like a snark that I perceive that is very much like, like, haven't
A
her own children told her this is harmful?
B
I don't know. I don't know nothing about that. Lady kids fair. They're black.
A
And I feel like now I will go do my own research on that.
B
But I, I. Yeah, I just. I just. I just. The, the. The what I watch what you forced me to watch.
A
Yes, I did. I take accountability for that. Am I remorseful? I didn't know.
B
It does not seem. Again, speaking of remorse, I don't hear any sort of contrition. I don't feel like this is. Is someone who's coming to the table. No acknowledgment of harmful things that they have said in the past that want to have a productive conversation about how to move forward. That's not what I got off of that little clip. Now, whether or not that happened, I don't know. And we'll never know because I'm not watching it. But I'm just saying.
A
And I see what he did when he asked, when he was like, you know, do you feel like basically you are like, in opportunities of higher education? Look how you kind of see. Slap some other black kids in the face. Like, I hear what you asked there. I see what you tried to do there. Mark, still. No, she's still. She's not sorry. She doesn't think she's done anything wrong. She doesn't do think she's doing anything wrong. She doesn't think she's living life wrong. You know, y' all keep going ahead and let her braid your hair, you know what I'm saying? And plant your tomato seeds. Apparently. Like, get this lady out of here.
B
She said she was a master gardener.
A
Master gardener. Girl, this resume grow every time. Okay?
B
Like, that's what stuck out to me. Call yourself that, girl.
A
I, too, am a master gardener.
B
Gardener.
A
Okay? I, too, am a master gardener. I roll up on this show every episode for the last nine years. So I'm a master gardener.
B
I'm a master gardener. I'm a master gardener.
A
Oh, I don't. What else is anything else? Please do. Yeah, put it in the notes right now. Right now. That is the notes. Master gardener.
B
Master gardener. Girl, Go straight to hell today.
A
Hello again. That's really what the episode should be called because I. Everybody can go to hell. Everybody can go to hell.
B
Oh, my word.
A
Everybody can go to hell. I'm over it. I'm over you.
B
Very pooty. Maybe spray some Lysol. Ew. Get it out of here. Ew. Gross. Ew. I don't care for it. I don't.
A
Very pooty is crazy.
B
Very pooty. I don't like it. It stinks.
A
Oh, my God. Extremely floating. I don't think. I don't know of anything else. That is.
B
I think that was a good catch up. I appreciate just, you know, just. We just wanted to sit to the table. We'll have a more formative conversation to kick off our Woman's History Month celebration. Of course, you know it's going to be steeped in blackness. Of course, you know that. That goes without saying. Hello
A
in black.
B
How we'll have that ridiculous.
A
We don't even have to make those declarations. Please.
B
Excuse me. Are you guys okay?
A
Like, no, they're not.
B
That's the problem. Everything I do is black.
A
Excuse me. You are discrediting the contribution of black
B
Americans to this country. Oh, that's impossible. I am a black American. What?
A
Go eat a raccoon. Please. Leave me alone. Leave me alone. Leave me alone.
B
Impossible. Impossible. Impossible.
A
For a plain yellow to perform at the Super Bowl. Impossible. You know what?
B
I am master gardener. My master.
A
Master gardener. Yes. Master.
B
Girl, please.
A
Oh, God. Oh, this has been foolish and much needed.
B
Thank you, sister. It's been. Yes.
A
It's been a welcome reprieve.
B
I'm going to go continue to clean out my closet, guys. Yeah, the seasons are changing. And listen, now's a good time to purge your closet and cry. I've been doing that all weekend.
A
Yeah, you'll be all just sobbing. What?
B
What an idiot. Just sob. A sob box. A box of.
A
No, it's the shedding. You're shedding and you're getting it out because you need to get it out. No idiocy there.
B
Yeah.
A
You know who's an idiot? Christopher Brown. For thinking he was supposed to perform at the 2026 Super Bowl.
B
I'm gonna find it. I'm gonna find that initial thread and send it to you. Because I was a gas at all of the ways that the people were in the comments saying, you damn right
A
it should have been you.
B
It was like, oh, my God, Tyquan,
A
please go wash your Nissan. Leave me alone. Please let you know I know you drive A road, okay? Or a Challenger if you drive a road. I know it's your bitch's car.
B
I mean, it's not in your name at all.
A
Not even a little bit.
B
Jenkins, please.
A
Oh, leave me alone, sis. They have been listening to me for four weeks. Take them out of this show. You know, like a. Like a baby fawn straight out of the deer's puss. So why don't you go ahead? You struggled.
B
You struggled, but you've made it through every time.
A
I heard you. It's the. How are you still struggling years out today?
B
Listen to my sister. Listen at her. Just listen at her. Just listen.
A
Nine years. I can't get this right. So it's all right.
B
All right? Make sure that you're continuing to take care of yourself by moisturizing your mind, okay? Nobody wants as. As Dustin would say, nobody wants a ashy, musty brain. We don't want it to be ashy. No, we don't want it to be ashy either. Moisturize your mind, and the way that you do that is by minding the business that is yours and yours alone. Okay? Stay out of them. Other people's stuff up.
A
Okay?
B
You also want to moisturize your insides by drinking just as much water as your body can sustain every day, okay? That's how you keep your skin tight and. Right. Okay.
A
Screaming on the Internet. They don't drink.
B
Right? Right. And they're also anti black, because anti black is directly correlated to ashy, dry skin. That's why you have got to keep your skin moisturized as well. Okay? Because your black black will crack if it's dry and anti black. Okay? Love y'.
A
All.
B
Bye.
A
Bye.
C
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Date: March 3, 2026
Hosts: Keia and Jade (Loud Speakers Network)
In this episode, Keia returns to the Kitchen Table after a brief absence, and she and Jade settle in for a lively, candid, and often hilarious catch-up. Their conversation centers around the navigation of Black womanhood, community, handling grief, internet “culture wars,” adulting woes, and pop culture commentary with unfiltered honesty. Throughout, they highlight the importance of self-awareness, collective care, and holding both themselves and the broader culture accountable. The vibe is unmistakably “Blackity Black,” deeply rooted in cultural pride and always ready to call out foolishness.
On community:
“You know, we talk so much about community on this show, but this, you know, y’ all really just demonstrated community and practice.”
— Keia, [02:54]
On the internet’s “culture wars”:
“I like to stay among the people who have literacy and comprehension.”
— Jade, [06:40]
On divisive rhetoric:
“It’s not the shark, it’s the water.”
— Keia, [10:09]
On unaccountable celebrities:
“Your talent will only get you into certain spaces. Your character, your integrity is what will keep you there.”
— Keia, [31:52]
On media censorship:
“You censored somebody saying Free Palestine… The discomfort on Delroy and Michael, which broke my heart, which made me want to grease my face up.”
— Jade, [40:18]
On Rachel Dolezal’s “master gardener” claim:
“Garden these nuts.”
— Jade, [54:20]
“I, too, am a master gardener.”
— Jade, [60:34]
On platitudes for anti-blackness and ashy skin:
“Anti black is directly correlated to ashy, dry skin. That’s why you have got to keep your skin moisturized as well. Because your black will crack if it’s dry and anti-black.”
— Keia, [65:37]
In “Master Gardener,” Keia and Jade dig into everything from intra-Black diaspora debates to pop culture beefs and internet foolishness, grounding their perspectives in lived experience, critical thought, Black pride, and a “take no mess” attitude. Expect laughter, side-eye, deep analysis, and a healthy call to keep your mind and skin moisturized against the world’s messiness.