In this episode, Stas and Leander sit down with iconic abolitionist, author, and podcast host Shannon Perez-Darby. Join the conversation as they dive into why nonprofits are not the ideal structure for liberatory organizations, risk management and harm reduction around mandatory reporting, and hot takes on the show Pluribus!

Access the full episode transcript here.

Learn more about the Mandated Reporting Harm Reduction:
Balancing Risk Assessment Tool (BRAT)
Listen & subscribe to Shannon's podcast "Popaganda"
Learn more about the Accountable Communities Consortium
Read "How to End Family Policing: From Outrage to Action"

Song credits:

“Brilliant Mycelium” Written by Alexandra Love Performed by Beautiful Chorus

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