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Getting Smart Podcast
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This podcast has over 500 episodes highlighting developing trends in K-12 education, postsecondary and lifelong learning. Each week, Getting Smart team members interview students, leading authors, experts and practitioners in research, tech, entrepreneurship and leadership to bring listeners innovative and actionable strategies in education leadership.
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Catching Up: Human Connection, AI Hive Minds, and the Skills Gap
Apr 1700:44:04Tap to summarizeNate McClennen and Mason Pashia unpack a wide-ranging set of ideas shaping the future of learning, from AI "hive minds" and youth relationships with AI to portraits of a graduate, durable skills, and real-world learning. They explore what it means to prepare students for a non-routine economy where judgment, collaboration, agency, and ownership matter more than ever. Along the way, they highlight innovative school models, reflect on new research and reports, and consider how education systems can better connect technical skills, human development, and future-ready experiences. Outline (0:00) Intro (13:13) School Spotlights (20:52) Preparing Students for the Non-Routine Economy (31:34) Durable Skills & Experience Matters Report (37:20) Human Expression (40:56) What's That Song? Links Watch the full video here Artificial Hivemind: The Open-Ended Homogeneity of Language Models (and Beyond) Youth, AI, and the Relationships That Shape Them Good Riddance to Regents Exams? Or Will Ending Them Leave a Void for N.Y. Grads? The Academies Of Hampton Amp Lab at Electric Works The Pearl Arts Innovation Institute Amp Lab at The Refinery 3Rivers Federal Credit Union Banking Internship Humanist Essay Harvard Medical School
Transcribe →How Do We Build Unbounded, Co-Created Pathways for Every Learner? | Jean-Claude Brizard
Apr 1500:23:22Tap to summarizeIn this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark talks with Jean-Claude Brizard, CEO of Digital Promise, about the launch of the Center for Learner Pathway Innovations and what it will take to build New Pathways that are truly "unbounded." They dig into the barriers that keep learners from seeing and accessing opportunity (visibility, value, and recognition gaps), why pathways must be co-created with learners and communities, and how credentialing and learner records can better capture skills and verified experiences—from work-based learning to out-of-school learning. The conversation also highlights regional pathway design (including an Alabama cybersecurity example), lessons from P-TECH, and how emerging technologies like AI can support powerful learning grounded in agency, purpose, curiosity, and connection. Outline (00:00) Introduction (2:30) Barriers & Unbounded Pathways (5:39) Co-Creation & Credentialing (13:58) Cybersecurity Pathway & Alabama (16:07) Powerful Learning & Emerging Technology Links Read the full blog here Watch the full video here TNTP Jean-Claude Brizard Digital Promise
Transcribe →How Can We Rethink Math Education When Computers and AI Do the Calculations? | Ted Dintersmith
Apr 800:47:10Tap to summarizeIn this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen sits down with author and education advocate Ted Dintersmith to rethink what math should look like in a changing world—especially as AI makes rote procedures less relevant. Together they unpack the limits of test-driven instruction, the consequences of low math and data literacy for civic life, and why classrooms should prioritize estimation, statistics, probability, modeling, and real-world problem solving that builds confidence and curiosity. If we want future-ready learners, math has to move from gatekeeping to empowerment. Outline (00:00) Introduction & Math Education Background (05:52) Rote Skills vs. Relevant Math (11:21) Standardized Testing & NAEP Scores (17:10) Math Illiteracy & Real-World Consequences (22:57) Calculus vs. Statistics Debate (29:41) AI, the Future of Math Education & Takeaways Links Read the full blog here Watch the full video here LinkedIn Ted Dintersmith Website
Transcribe →How Do We Thrive and Rehumanize School for Kids and Adults? | Stephanie Malia Krauss
Apr 100:40:15Tap to summarizeStephanie Malia Krauss returns to the Getting Smart Podcast for a conversation with Tom Vander Ark about her new book, How We Thrive: Caring for Kids and Ourselves in a Changing World. Together they explore why so many adults and young people feel overwhelmed and depleted—and what it looks like to "rehumanize" school and home by protecting the essentials that help humans thrive. The discussion walks through body, mind, heart, and spirit essentials—from food, sleep, movement, and nervous system regulation to play, wonder, flow, connection, belonging, and contribution—offering practical, research-backed insights for educators, leaders, and parents navigating modern life. Outline (00:00) Introduction (02:02) The Journey Through Three Books (11:30) Body Essentials: Food, Sleep & Movement (21:38) Mind Essentials: Play, Wonder & Flow (29:32) Heart Essentials: Connection, Love & Belonging (35:18) Spirit Essentials: Celebration & Contribution Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here How We Thrive LinkedIn
Transcribe →How Can We Design Learning Spaces That Transform Education? | Kevin Stoller
Mar 2500:37:07Tap to summarizeLearning doesn't happen "in rows," and Kevin Stoller has seen firsthand how the right environment can change everything. In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Mason Pashia talks with Stoller—author of Creating Better Learning Environments and host of the Better Learning podcast—about designing learner-centered spaces that support movement, choice, collaboration, and community connection. They explore why the term "classroom" can limit our thinking, how districts can better align facilities with instructional vision through a "learning space integrator," and what microschools, team-teaching models, and even museums and hospitality design can teach us about the future of learning spaces in an AI-enabled world. Outline (00:12) Introduction to Learning Spaces (05:09) The Power of Intentional Design (11:26) The Learning Space Integrator Role (18:59) Transforming Existing Spaces (26:30) Inspiration from Beyond the Classroom (30:12) AI, Flexibility, and the Future Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here LinkedIn Kay Twelve
Transcribe →What Happens When Students Bring a Portrait of a Graduate to Life? | NEAAAT Students
Mar 1800:27:04Tap to summarizeIn this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, host Victoria Andrews sits down with student leaders from Northeast Academy for Aerospace and Advanced Technology (NEAT) to explore what happens when a Portrait of a Graduate becomes more than a poster on the wall. Kaylyn Rosado, Connor Mawhiney, and Anna Montero share how student voice shaped their school's learning model—from a student ambassador program and community interviews to classroom practices that build collaboration, empathy, and confidence. The conversation also highlights NEAT's flexible STEM-focused pathways (including aviation, biotech, robotics, coding, and advanced manufacturing), dual enrollment opportunities, and a clear message for school designers everywhere: involve students early, often, and authentically—because agency changes everything. Outline (00:00) Introduction & Student Introductions (04:06) Student Ambassadors & Community Engagement (09:54) Pathways & Career Exploration (16:55) Personal Growth & Student Development (20:44) Advice for School Leaders Links Read the full blog here Watch the full video here Northeast Academy for Aerospace and Advanced Technologies
Transcribe →Catching Up: School Choice, AI & Humanity, and Bottom-Up Innovation
Mar 1300:48:03Tap to summarizeIn this episode of Catching Up, Nate McClennen and Mason Pashia explore what's changing in education—and what should change next—through the lenses of infrastructure, accountability, and emerging technology. They discuss a "smart city" view of transportation and connectivity, unpack new research on how parents respond to grades vs. standardized test data, and examine a Florida study on how school choice competition impacts performance. The conversation then shifts to the Future of Tech and Work, including AI agents and the incentive structures shaping major AI companies—ending with a clear call to invest in "relational infrastructure" so that human connection, trust, and agency grow alongside AI. Outline (00:00) Welcome & Overview (03:23) Infrastructure & Mexico City (08:36) AI Agents & Moltbook (13:37) Parents, Grades & Testing (18:28) School Choice Study (38:26) Bottom-Up Innovation Framework (47:08) What's That Song? Links Watch the full video here Interpreting Performance: Evidence on Signal Weighting in Human Capital Investment In These Districts, Students Get an English Credit for On-the-Job Internships What actually determines AI's impact on humanity? Incentives, value networks, and the forces shaping AI's future. The CHOICE We Make: The Critically Human Skills That Define Our Future Welcome to the Era of Relational Intelligence Can't Get There from Here: A Framework for the Start, Spread, and Scale of Bottom-Up Innovation in Education Low-Earning Degrees Will Soon Lose Access to Federal Loans—Is Yours on the List
Transcribe →How Do You Build a Team That Builds, Instead of Building It All Yourself? | Kelly Coffin
Mar 1100:29:42Tap to summarizeIn this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, host Rebecca Midles talks with Kelly Coffin, superintendent in Farmington Hills, Michigan, about what it really means to "go slow to go fast" in district transformation. Coffin shares how leaders can build trust and capacity through co-design with educators closest to students, stay connected through daily visibility and listening routines, and "test the system" for readiness without defaulting to top-down control. The conversation centers on authentic leadership—grounded in clarity of vision, coherence, and the courage to be vulnerable in public—so teams don't just implement change, they own it. Outline (00:00) Introduction (04:08) Leadership Evolution (08:35) Daily Leadership in Action (15:15) Building Trust and Capacity (17:18) Advice for New Leaders (28:26) The Bravest Leadership Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here LinkedIn Farmington Public Schools
Transcribe →David McRaney on How Minds Change
Dec 7, 2022Tap to summarizeOn this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast Tom Vander Ark is joined by David McRaney, author of the new book How Minds Change: The Surprising Science of Belief, Opinion, and Persuasion and the host of the You Are Not So Smart Podcast. Links: About You Are Not So Smart You Are Not So Smart Podcast How Minds Change How Minds Change Discussion Guide Clash by Caravan Palace James Burke Jay Van Bavel The dress debate SURFPAD Genetic Epistemology by Jean Piaget
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