A (2:46)

Okay, and your skateboarding podcast, is that the one called Skatosis?

B (2:53)

That is correct. Skatosis.com it's basically a word I created because I'm obsessed with skateboarding. And so it's a bit of a condition that I have. And so as a. As an older fellow, I've got back. I skateboarded all my life, but I took a nice big gap and I got back into it in my late 30s. And I'm just. I'm 100% obsessed with skateboarding. So if I panned around, you'd see a lot of skateboards in here. So, yes, Skateboard is my skateboarding podcast. It's very niche. It's mainly a release valve for me and my best friend to just talk about skateboarding.

A (3:30)

And it gets you out there and. All the time.

B (3:34)

All the time. And then it also acts as a bit of a practice pad. Like, if I was a guitarist, I'd be practicing my guitar all the time. But because I do graphics and video and audio, Skatosis and Old Dude Skate company become this platform that I get to use to keep my skills up digitally and analog.

A (3:56)

And the other thing that Drew does, a lot of that I want to tell you all about is, well, two things. He's an editor, audio video editor. He does all kinds of magic with audio and video files. And he also does a whole lot of social media stuff for David Allen company. So if you see videos on Facebook, Instagram, stuff like that, Drew's the guy behind that. Drew's the one who guilty graphs content like that and turns it into those snippets that you'll see on our social media channels.

B (4:34)

Yeah. Thanks to everybody that does like and share them. That's awesome. Keep it up.

C (4:38)

Yep, yep.

A (4:40)

And all right, well, let's get to the GTD part. All right, so let's see now, you. You got coached. You got a full on virtual coaching a couple of years ago. And so you dived right in and fully immersed in it. Was that a challenge in any way? Did you kind of find that that helped you understand more or get it more integrated into your life?

B (5:13)

100%? Like maybe 150%? I was not a practitioner by any Means I'd known about David Allen. I'd known about the GTD process for quite a long time. Back in my original web blogging kind of days, I always knew about like 27 folders and whole inbox zero and I knew all the things that had sparked from David's work, but I definitely was not involved. And so when I got involved with you guys, going through that coaching put it all in context and so much of it was natural, kind of, what do you call it, Like, I absorbed it really well and it became part of my day to day right away. And so throughout the coaching process each week, I always felt like, man, I'm just not cutting it. I'm not doing enough. And I kind of was always on my down on myself on the next meeting. I just felt like I was going to let her down. But then it would turn out, man, she would just be like, no, you're actually. This is great, this is great, this is great. And so then it would just spark me up for the next week. And then each one was just like, it was a little bit of a stepping stone each week. So it really, really, really did help, I think like four times, but it.

A (6:22)

Did help that last extra really, really, really emphasizes.

B (6:28)

Yeah, because I sit here with my notes next to me. I've got my organization, everything around me is handy. You know, I definitely slack. I fall off the wagon often. But being the GTD social media wizard is what Kathryn entitled me. I get to reinforce all of David's principles. Everything about it. I get to like. It reinforces me every time I'm working on a project because I'm trying to pick out the best pieces that are going to help other people and it's helping me as I'm doing it. So it's really an interesting job. I love it.

C (7:05)

Good, good.

A (7:08)

And, oh, just one other thing. You have another job you work on, which is next for me, correct?

B (7:15)

Yeah, that is. It's a newsletter you can sign up for. We do events. We haven't done events that much with the pandemic and all that. We had to kind of shift into virtual events. But we're trying to help people find the next step in their life for careers, and we're whatnot. And so, yeah, NextForMe.com is where you can find that.

C (7:34)

Okay, good.

A (7:37)

Oh, and your partner in that is also a longtime GTD guy friend of David Allen and a few of us have worked with him over the years. His name is Jeff Tidwell.

B (7:47)

Yeah, he is the. He's the vital Member of our connection. Because if it wasn't for Jeff, I wouldn't know you guys. And what's wild is that Jeff is the very first person in real life that Don and I met as a fan of the Don and Drew show.

C (8:03)

Oh, wow.

B (8:04)

Yeah, he got the name Psycho fan Jeff long time ago. But he's a great guy. I love. I've been working with him professionally now for years and years.

A (8:14)

Yeah, he worked with the software. Software company that was working on developing software for David 20 years ago. So there's. There's that connection going way back.

B (8:26)

He must. We must have met just shortly after that because, I mean, I met Jeff in a. Must have been 06.

C (8:32)

Okay.

A (8:32)

Yeah, that was a few years, maybe four years after he was working with that software company.

B (8:38)

Wow.

A (8:39)

All right, well, let's see how about what you use. You mentioned having notes nearby, stuff like that. What paper or digital tools do you use for your lists, your calendar, email, all that just kind of taught us what's in your system.

B (8:53)

Sure. I have a hybrid. For sure, it's a hybrid. My main go to is paper and pen. I mean, I use David as an example for that all the time. Because if my computer went down, what would I be doing? I'd be like thinking of that list. And so I've got my little list I like doing half and half. One is work, one is personal. And so I keep them always right in front of me. And I love checking things off. And so I listen to. Once it gets a little full, I just pull open another two pages and I start a nice fresh list. And that's how I do my main one. My main one. But when it comes to like calendar, I use, I'm on a Mac. And so I've got my calendar app here, I've got my notes app going. I've got a lot of things back and forth between with the social media stuff. Things that I need to copy, paste for Instagram and say for Twitter and stuff like that that I can't necessarily do from the computer. You got to do from that. So I use my notes app to sync back and forth. And so I can easily just go to my phone, go to my notes and exactly what I just typed on the computer, I can copy paste. And so I go back and forth with notes a lot.

C (9:57)

Right, right.

B (9:58)

And the calendar. Other than that, I'm basically just email. I used to use email as an inbox, but my coach taught me otherwise I would use unrun. I. I do a little bit. I'm looking At a couple of unreads that I kind of hang on to, but for the most part, I don't do that. I put it on my paper list. But for the longest time, my unreads were my inbox, my TO dos. That gets a little messy.

A (10:27)

Yeah, it's not the best list.

B (10:28)

It's not. It's not. Especially when I would look at it from my phone, I would try to unread the last one, but it doesn't work that well from the phone. So then I go back and it's like, all unread, so it got clunky. So the paper is. And this pen is the way to go.

C (10:42)

Okay, good.

A (10:44)

And then for email, are you using the Mac mail program?

B (10:47)

No, I use Gmail. And so I use Gmail on my phone's main mail app, but on my desktop world, I have a Gmail tab open.

C (10:58)

Okay.

A (10:59)

And you're not using the rest of the Google tools, like tasks or stuff like that?

B (11:03)

No, I'm not. I mean, Google runs enough of my life. I don't want to do much, but, like, I do use their docs, I use their sheets. I love those because it's just I don't have Microsoft products, and so I love being able to have a spreadsheet available for certain things and stuff like that.

C (11:21)

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

A (11:23)

How about other tools of your trade? Audio, video editing, graphics work?

B (11:29)

That's an interesting one because it's evolved so much over the years. As I started my digital life, it was in, like, digital desktop publishing. And. And I worked for a company where they needed all the images of a safety catalog clipped out and shadowed. And so, like Photoshop, I had to, like, it's the pen tool. Click, click, click, click, click. Just making crazy polygons and turning them into drop shadows so they look nice in a printed catalog. So that's how it started. And so Photoshop was one of my main things. And an old program called Archetype Designer, which I don't even know if exists anymore, that kind of became QuarkXPress.

A (12:06)

I heard of that way back in the pre Quark days.

B (12:09)

Yeah, yeah, pre Quark. And so I was involved with Quark when that first started. And when it comes to desktop publishing, though, I'm using InDesign, and I don't do that as much these days. So the shift from that desktop publishing now into this social media world, I'm almost 100% in final cut Pro. All day long, like, I just have that open.

C (12:33)

Okay.

B (12:33)

Making video clips on that. And it's become my most comfortable tool where Photoshop used to be. So I use Photoshop a lot, I'll use Illustrator, but definitely Final Cut Pro has become my main program these days.

C (12:48)

Okay.

B (12:49)

As opposed to Adobe Premiere. I mean, I guess they're equal, but I jumped on the Final Cut bandwagon a long time ago and it's like I haven't felt like I wanted to just relearn the same kind of program. Although I have Premiere, I prefer Final Cut.

C (13:03)

Okay.

B (13:04)

Well, that leads me GarageBand. I forgot to mention, what I use for audio is GarageBand from way back. So many people use Audacity or, you know, Ableton Live or whatever. I mean, I've been GarageBand from the beginning and it just works for me and so I use that for audio.

C (13:21)

Okay.

A (13:23)

And that takes me to my next question, which is exactly about that. What contexts do you have for your lists and does that include any contexts that are tool specific? Like stuff to do when I'm in GarageBand or stuff to do when I'm in Final Cut?

B (13:38)

I don't think I would necessarily go that far with my list because once I'm in those programs, I know what I need to do. So in essence, my list would have the client and the project. And just by the name of the project, I'm going to know. I mean, it's almost guaranteed to going to be in Final Cut Pro. If it's something else, it's going to be like I'm building a website on with WordPress or something like that. Like, I don't really necessarily have that kind of list.

C (14:07)

Okay.

B (14:08)

Yeah, because I just, it's all cruise control. Like if, you know, we want to get into like some GTD terminology. When I'm in Final Cut, it's totally cruise control. When I'm in Photoshop, it's cruise control. I know exactly what I'm going to do, need to do. If I don't know how to do that, I'm just going to go find a tutorial and learn it quick and then just do it.

C (14:28)

Okay.

A (14:29)

That's one of the things that people have asked about in the last year. There have been some discussions about have contexts changed because of being in lockdown or anything like that. So it sounds like your context didn't really change in the last year.

B (14:45)

Not at all. Actually it's strange because I've been working now for myself from home for the past four years now. And so I was primed for the pandemic and I didn't just skip a beat, you know, I Got a little bit more work and so.

C (15:01)

Wow. Okay.

B (15:02)

Yeah, so kind of it's. I'm not a good person to ask pandemic type questions because I live out in the farm life. I'm just down the middle. I hardly see people as it is. And so I kind of am thriving. And my wife makes fun of me because I say I'm thriving and it's, it's true.

A (15:21)

Yeah, well, don't worry, nobody hates you because you weren't. You've been thriving in the pandemic.

B (15:27)

Yeah.

A (15:29)

Okay, so a little bit into different angle on your GTD system. Given the kind of work you do, what do you consider to be your inboxes? Where are you collecting inputs?

B (15:44)

Yeah, that's.

A (15:45)

Think of that as broadly as you want to.

B (15:47)

That's a bit of like, probably like my biggest problem is that I've got multiple, multiple inboxes. They're everywhere. Every app has got an inbox now. You know, it's like they just want to, they want that attention, they want everybody to communicate in their app. And so I get, I get my emails, I get my Facebook, I get my Instagram, I get my Twitter, I get my, all the stuff times two now because now I've got the GTD world and my personal world. So it's like I've got a whole world of inboxes. And so for me, again, that's a bit of a cruise control thing because I just kind of have. The way that I set my browsers up is that I've got a whole GTD window with about eight tabs. I've got my personal window with about 10 tabs. I have a next for me window with 10, four tabs. You know, I've got all these different things. So I chunk out my digital life in these browser tabs, I guess, and I scan them all the time. And so if I see something that's like, if I got a LinkedIn a notification, I'll go hit it. Boom. If it's something that I can just approve a member, you know, whatever it is, if I can just knock it out. Usually those kinds of things are all two minute items. So I'll scan it quick, Boom, done. I'll look and see if anybody's commenting on Instagram, on Twitter who's sharing some of it just to get an idea of like, okay, so they're sharing a lot of that one. I should do something similar and then I'll go, you know, so it's a huge scan that I'm just kind of always Doing. And I guess that's my personal life as well. You know, if I can just handle it right then and there. It's just done so many, many inboxes.

A (17:27)

Yeah. And you mentioned that you're. You're looking at those throughout the day. Is there. What's your morning routine or your start the day routine? Because I think you're more of a night owl than I am, and I am. Your morning could be a few hours later than my morning.

B (17:44)

As I get older, I find that I need less and less sleep. So I'm usually. I'm usually up until about two in the morning, and then I'll get maybe six hours of sleep or whatever. In the morning, though, it's like, I'll make my coffee. I'm dealing with my dogs, I'm dealing with life, you know, whatever. I'm scanning inboxes as I go, but most of my main chunks of work are like, at the end of the day, my wife's winding down, get the dog to sleep. Then I go, I go hide upstairs for the night.

A (18:13)

Is that when you would go switch over to, say, project mode and be doing audio and video editing?

B (18:18)

Totally. Unless there's something that's specific that has to get done. I try to use the sunlight, and I try to enjoy the day as much as possible. I try not to be on the computer during the day, but it's impossible to not. But I try to knock all my stuff out late at night.

A (18:37)

Okay, well, you definitely are up later than I am. But then I have this boss who lives eight hours ahead of me, and if I were on your schedule, you'd.

B (18:47)

Probably mesh with him a little better because sometimes I'll respond to an email and I'll get a response that I'm like, oh, he's awake. Or like, you know, like I'm right in the sweet spot sometimes.

A (18:56)

That's true. By the time it's two in the morning your time, he's. He's having coffee.

B (19:01)

And yeah, I don't play too many online games, but I do have this one word game that I play with a friend of mine who lives in Amsterdam. And so I know her schedule. By the time I'm getting ready for bed, she's waking up and we're training words, you know, back and forth on this game. And it's like, I know that she's awake, so it's like she's on David's schedule. It's kind of funny.

A (19:21)

It's funny. I have the same thing. I get up and I say, I'm up at 5:30 having coffee and I play Words with Friends. Yeah, David.

B (19:31)

Oh you do, that's great.

A (19:33)

We've sort of trained each other that would be about lunchtime for him. So he'll check at lunch to see if I've just played and by that time I've had enough coffee that I can play without doing something stupid.

B (19:46)

And yeah, that kind of live online gaming around the world just in the simplest form is so amazing to me. I love it. It's so silly when you think about it, but it's powerful. I used to play Word with Friends. I like letterpress better. I don't know if you've seen that one.

A (20:06)

I haven't heard of it, but I'll check into it now.

B (20:08)

A little bit cooler looking and not so scrabbly.

A (20:11)

Okay, all right, let's see. The other thing you mentioned was a lot of the stuff you do when you're say, scanning through your browser tabs for one of your clients or something like that is a lot of what you see is stuff you can handle in two minutes or less. Do you have anything to say kind of more generally about handling your input in social media channels if it's not a two minute or less item? Or can you think of any examples of stuff you come across in your social media inputs that when you, you look at it and go, what is it? Well, it's this and such. Can I do it in two minutes? No. What happens then? And, and what are some examples of something like that? And how do you, how do you process it?

B (21:04)

Sure. A couple of great examples is, was when YouTube shut us down, for some reason we couldn't even figure it out. I mean that was like, I thought I could handle it in two minutes, but man, that ended up being two months and that just ended up going just right on my list. Make sure I follow up. Constantly looking for their responses. And it was such a weird like setting between, like when you had done some click and it changed some policy. I don't know, it was, it took some real weird sleuthing to figure out the problem.

C (21:37)

Yeah.

B (21:38)

And so yeah, that became a project for sure.

C (21:41)

Yeah.

A (21:42)

Folks, for those of you who might not know, there's a GTD channel on YouTube and all of a sudden a few months ago it just went, it was gone.

B (21:51)

It just kept saying not available in your country. It was so weird. And so here's the funniest thing about kind of a tangent, but how I.

A (22:00)

Figured that one out, it wasn't funny at the time. Remember it was not one of the funny, but it is funny now.

B (22:06)

I watched a YouTube video on how to contact YouTube customer service and the response was use Twitter, right? Go to the Twitter YouTube account. I send them a message and all of a sudden I'm chatting with a YouTube person on chitter.

A (22:20)

What a hoot.

B (22:21)

YouTube person on Twitter. And I. And I got it resolved within a few days of finally putting those pieces together.

A (22:26)

Yeah, there was some policy that they changed in there that affected people who have channels and it was some weird thing. But for a while all of the GTD videos were just not available to anybody.

B (22:41)

So, so be. So I'm just doing social media work, you know, posting videos and clips like that. But really when it comes down to it, it's like troubleshooting one on one every instant. Because okay, my troubleshooting in this is just simply hit a heart or hit a reply or say thanks or whatever. But on that one, man, this was like, we got to figure this one out. So.

A (23:02)

So that turned into a project, obviously.

B (23:04)

Yeah, absolutely. There was another one just recently with Facebook. I posted a video of our content of just David speaking and they flagged it in 249 countries and for some weird copyright violation that I had. And so that was another one was like, oh, I can't just. I had just uploaded a video. I thought I was done with that step of, you know, whatever I was doing immediately. Inbox, Red flag project. It's like, okay, not a heavy duty project because I just had to allow to form and wait and I haven't heard anything back. So it's still just one of those waiting fors, nothing I can do. But so yeah, if it's not a two minute thing, it just ends up on my list.

A (23:47)

So it's not like you, you are treating your social media inputs any differently than you would getting a voicemail or an email that it's still looking at, at it asking what is it? Is it actionable? What's the next action? Is there a project?

B (24:04)

Yeah, absolutely, Case by case. What's interesting about how I come through with these videos is like a lot of, or any of the things that I post is that a lot of it is I have to sit and watch and listen and pick out things that I think are maybe gonna trigger somebody or just that sound good. And so a lot of it is like not even necessarily at the computer. I'll be maybe on my phone, I'll be doing the dishes, listening to David talk. And something like, so if I hear a certain thing That I like, I got to make sure I pause and write down the minute mark of like where it is that I, you know, go back and pick that out. So it's, it's a, it's a full life kind of thing. It doesn't necessarily have to happen, you know, at my computer, but I could be listening, doing, you know, cutting the grass. I hear that. Boom. Two minute things. Just write it down. I'm gonna forget where it was. I know I'm gonna forget. So I will jot that down. So I ended up with a lot of notes with like minute markers.

A (24:55)

And where do you capture that in the moment?

B (24:57)

If I, if I'm like say out and about like that, I would put it in my notes app that is going to sit forth. I've got like a whole David Allen notes that just keep growing and growing. It's on my copy paste, but I would put it right there if I had to.

A (25:08)

So if you're out driving or doesn't matter anything.

B (25:12)

Okay.

A (25:12)

You just send yourself a note saying such and such, such and such. Recording at the 14 and a half minute mark.

B (25:19)

Yeah. And then if I'm back on my computer, I know I'm going to hit that notes document because I'm in it all the time. Boom. It's just right there. And if it's not on my pad, it gets on the pad right then and there.

C (25:28)

Got it. Good. Okay.

B (25:31)

All right.

A (25:32)

A little bit of a gear shift here. How has your wife handled this massive change in how you do your self management?

B (25:40)

Yeah, she loves it, to be honest. Especially when I was in the coaching, she saw the dramatic shift of me like with these lists and just getting things done and it was just like she, she liked it. And she's probably my biggest. She notices first when I'm slacking because, like, because projects around the house. I mean, I live in an old farmhouse. I've got a to do list that will never end. So if I'm not on that list, it's super obvious. And so it helps. And she knows that I'm more on it when I'm walking around with my pad of paper and my list and I'm getting things done. And when things start happening and she loves it, she loves it. She's, she's a, she's bummed the biggest when I'm not on top of it.

A (26:24)

Believe me, I understand. My wife is on it. When I'm not on it, she'll say, yeah, it's time to do a mind sweep. You seem to have a Lot on your mind.

B (26:34)

Yeah, exactly. She is not a practitioner, but she's read the book and she's already a natural, like keeping lists and things like that. She's way more on top of it and so she's kind of got it naturally and so I appreciate her keeping me on track.

A (26:51)

Yep. So there's. You haven't tried to talk her into being more of a practitioner of it or anything like that?

B (26:58)

No, because when I start telling her something, she'll bring. She'll mention something in the book to me and I'll be like, oh, so she's a little bit more on top of it, but she just doesn't need, I don't think, the. The regiment or it's more or less, I guess, more naturally cruise control y kind of thing. I see her desk, it's a little bit, you know, she's got more lists than I do. You know, the way she manages it's on her own, so.

A (27:25)

Well, she's obviously a very creative person too. So as long as she's got something that's working for her.

B (27:31)

Exactly.

A (27:32)

And if she's quoting the book back to you, she actually read it. She wasn't just pretending.

B (27:38)

No, she's a. Yeah, she reads everything.

A (27:41)

Okay, let's see. Anything, anything you would say to somebody who's new at this.

B (27:49)

How what worked.

A (27:51)

For you, didn't work for you when you started. Any, any advice for somebody just starting out?

B (27:56)

I would say to just make sure you give it time and not expect it to be an overnight thing. You know, David's always saying that it takes at least two years. If you're adamant about it, get it going. So, I mean, I'm about at the two year mark and I definitely don't feel like I'm just like locked in. I could, you know, probably use coaching even another session if I, you know, really felt that way to get the refresher. So I would just say don't give up and don't think it's going to be that quick advice, but that you will notice change right away.

C (28:28)

Okay, good.

A (28:30)

So did you feel like you had immediate stress relief in certain cases?

B (28:37)

100%, because I was starting to put things on paper and getting them out of my head, you know, so right away that it brings so much relief and you know, just to know that like, I can go do something here at the farm and whatever that's on my list, but, like, know that everything else that's on my list is just going to sit there waiting on my list. I don't have to stress about it because when I go and do my review or I look and see what I got to do for today or what's on this list, then I can prioritize and get into that little project that I can relax about.

A (29:07)

Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.

B (29:12)

Any.

A (29:12)

Any other stuff that you think of you want to wax philosophical about around gtd? Productivity, the digital world?

B (29:22)

Oh, man, I don't know. It's just. I guess, I don't know. Now that you put it that way, I don't feel too philosophical when you strike me with a question that I haven't thought about. Maybe that's when the gem will come out. But nothing specific? No.

A (29:35)

Okay, let's see. Any other friends that you've influenced around gtd? Anybody?

B (29:44)

I've got a few people. Like, because I've got such a huge weird online family from the podcast, I'll post here and there about stuff and then some people will obviously have known about David or the whole process and stuff like that, but other people, they'll see what I'm doing. And so I've definitely turned on some friends, but I don't think I've ever specifically said, oh, dude, you need help. You should get on this. But I've definitely kind of posted some. I've shared some of them. You know, it's a little weird to share my own stuff from David through my channels. It feels a little. A little weird internally to do that. But I have a few times and, you know, some of my friends will pick up on it and I've seen some people that I know start following the accounts and stuff like that. So almost like a subtle push.

A (30:29)

Yeah, that's more effective anyway than taking a hammer and going, you need this.

B (30:34)

Exactly, exactly. I mean, I've got family members. I wish I could be like, you need this.

A (30:42)

Yeah, me too.

B (30:43)

Yeah.

A (30:44)

Who still claim it works for me to manage my lists from my. My inbox as my list.

B (30:49)

Oh, my gosh. All the time I've got family because I don't see people often because I live out in the boonies. When family does come over and they see me being happy and productive and blah, blah, blah, and I see them struggling, whatever that, oh, I forgot to do this. Or I. Whatever the case is, I'm always like, you know, I just give my little five minute spiel, blah, blah, blah. Look at them. I'm just an example and never works.

A (31:15)

Yeah, well, let's see. We've got some time left and I just want to open it up to some Some questions here. We got one already. So feel free to type a question in the chat. And if you have a question, that's that you need to talk out loud, we can unmute you as well. So here we go. Question is, how often do you use the natural planning model?

B (31:41)

I've heard that term now, is that something. That's a GTD process, isn't it?

A (31:47)

It's a more structured way of planning out a project. It's. What's the opposite of what David calls the unnatural planning model, which we all kind of learned in school, which is write an outline. Yeah.

B (32:01)

I mean, the fact that I'm having to look it up, I would have to say I don't.

C (32:05)

Okay.

B (32:05)

You know, because I'm like. I mean, I kind of go through some of these principles here. But, yeah, I don't use it as an actual process, I guess, and it.

A (32:17)

May be that you don't need to. The other thing it always has is the answer for how much planning should I do? And his answer is always as much as you need to to get it off your mind. So if you don't have projects on your mind that are bugging you that.

B (32:29)

Way, then yeah, I really don't. I think I remember telling my coach almost every time that I met up with her that I really wish I had this coaching in my previous job because I was in the cubicle world with a mega micromanager, and it was just the worst. And so now that I'm out of that world, it's just like some of these things just don't even affect me in that way. And I can do all the things I need to do and you guys don't micromanage, and it's just right. So, yeah, I might have needed that planning model back then, you know.

C (33:02)

Okay.

B (33:14)

I'd like to give a short.

D (33:15)

Message to those of you who've been participating and playing with GTD Connect for a while and sort of remind you that all of us with this GTD methodology and this set of practices go through cycles. I still go through cycles myself initially. There's kind of the inspiration and there's a lot of material to ingest and to get familiar with. And so people oftentimes, when they first come on to connect, are just potentially overwhelmed by how much information there is. In a way, it's just a huge library where we've been able to archive so much different information from so many different perspectives and people and points of view, and so understood that it's like walking into a library. Oh, gee, where do I start? So that's oftentimes the initial phase of this, and many people after a year or two, you know, probably get on some level or some plateau where they go, well, I kind of got it now. I've got my system set up and everything's fine, and I'm fine tuning. And you may find yourself at that point also finding yourself saying, gee, I'm now becoming a resource of this methodology for people around me, people asking me for assistance and help in this. And we've seen in the forums a number of people now sharing ideas about how to get your teams more involved or families more involved with this information. So some of that information is in there as well. But I think you'll find yourself going through cycles of this and you may find that much like if you've ever read a software manual. I remember when I learned Microsoft Word to begin with, for instance, I read the manual like, wow, this is really cool. And I started to use the tool and didn't need the manual anymore. As a matter of fact, a good example of that right here, the manual for this camera that's taking this picture right now. Initially, I read this, got it all set up. That's really cool, and that's really fine. And so pretty much everything was onto cruise control. I didn't need to go back to my library to make this really work. And then of course, as I started to get more sophisticated in terms of stuff I wanted to do, got more inspired about some things I saw other people are doing. I go, how do I do that? Went back to the manual. I went, oh, God, I didn't realize I could do that. I didn't realize I could do that. I remember at least two or three iterations of going back to Microsoft Word back in the days when there actually was a manual for that, as opposed to just all online and realizing, oh my God, I didn't realize that, oh, I could do that now, I could do that now. And I think that's what you might find with Connect too, is that it's a gold mine of stuff. Well, many people have read getting things done more than three or four times, and every time they read it, they get something new out of it. So I think you may find Connect the same way and probably even easier because, hey, it doesn't take much to just click on, surf around, see what might be new or what might be of interest to you and pay attention. There's more than meets the eye in there.