Giggling about beards, baby swaps, and the substance

Summary

Giggly Squad Episode Summary: "Giggling about Beards, Baby Swaps, and the Substance" Release Date: December 4, 2024

Hosts: Hannah Berner, Paige DeSorbo
Description: In this episode of Giggly Squad, Hannah and Paige dive into a myriad of topics ranging from personal anecdotes and pop culture critiques to discussions on mental health and modern societal issues. True to their style, they infuse humor while offering insightful commentary on contemporary trends and personal experiences.

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1. Personal Stories and Modern Challenges

The episode kicks off with Hannah sharing a humorous family anecdote about her father's involvement in B2B marketing, which sets the tone for their lighthearted yet relatable discussions.

• Hannah Berner [00:00]: "My dad works in B2B marketing... My friends still laugh at me to this day."

Paige transitions the conversation to the stress of the holiday season, highlighting Nordstrom's offerings and sharing their obsession with Espresso Martinis, particularly the use of Mr. Black, a cold brew coffee liqueur.

• Paige DeSorbo [00:32]: "The holiday season can be stressful, but not with Nordstrom... I'm all about cultivating a vibe in my new apartment and the first thing I make whenever people come over is an espresso martini with Mr. Black."

2. Navigating Relationships and Social Dynamics

Hannah and Grace delve into the complexities of modern relationships, touching upon topics like holding space, personal boundaries, and the challenges of maintaining friendships amidst changing life circumstances.

• Hannah Berner [02:08]: "Gary, fix your WI fi manifest that we can't be managed... We are at our new studio."

• Grace [03:24]: "I feel like you watched a lot of things over Thanksgiving... sometimes there's a peacefulness of getting older."

The hosts candidly discuss menstrual health and personal comfort with products like tampons and thongs, offering a blend of humor and honest conversation.

• Hannah Berner [04:33]: "The second I wear a thong, I'm like, take it off... Do you know there's something up my butthole?"

3. Beards and Pop Culture Critique

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to critiquing the societal perception of beards, especially among men in pop culture. Hannah presents a "beard theory," suggesting that beards act as a form of makeup for men, enhancing their perceived capabilities and adding an element of mystery.

• Hannah Berner [11:51]: "If you're an ugly man, you get a beard. Then you become a bearded man... It's makeup for men."

Grace and Hannah analyze how beards can both enhance and detract from a man's appearance, using celebrities like Jacob Elordi as examples.

• Grace [12:54]: "I'm just saying that because I think when guys do something for a role, I'm okay with it."

4. The Nepo Baby Phenomenon and Modern Celebrity Culture

The hosts delve into the topic of "nepo babies" — children of celebrities who inherit their parents' fame and opportunities. They express frustrations over the lack of authentic celebrity hierarchy in Gen Z, leading to a diluted sense of fame and increased cancel culture.

• Grace [22:25]: "Everyone's famous in Gen Z... like there's no structure to Gen Z celebrity ism."

Hannah and Grace debate the impact of this phenomenon on both the celebrities' offspring and the broader cultural landscape, advocating for more substantial and meaningful forms of recognition.

5. Media Consumption and Misinformation

Hannah and Grace discuss the pervasive issue of misinformation in media, highlighting how biased narratives shape public perception. They reference a documentary about JonBenet Ramsey, critiquing its portrayal and the persistent rumors surrounding the case.

• Hannah Berner [66:47]: "Everything we watch... is biased, and it's by someone who's trying to get you to think a type of way."

Grace emphasizes the importance of critical thinking when consuming media, urging listeners to question the information presented to them.

• Grace [70:11]: "Imagine... You could change your name and no one would check."

6. Environmental Concerns and Consumerism

Towards the end of the episode, the duo shifts focus to environmental issues, particularly the unsustainable practices of modern consumerism. They lament the short lifecycle of products and the resulting environmental degradation, calling for more responsible manufacturing and recycling practices.

• Hannah Berner [73:38]: "We're producing more items, more fashion, more electronics than ever before... the universe is dying."

Grace echoes these sentiments, expressing distrust in corporate recycling claims and highlighting the environmental impact of discarded products.

• Grace [75:19]: "I don't believe that they're doing the recycling either. I don't trust them."

7. Final Thoughts and Upcoming Plans

The episode concludes with Hannah and Grace reflecting on societal pressures, the importance of self-respect, and the need for systemic changes to address the challenges discussed. They also tease upcoming events and encourage listeners to engage with their content.

• Hannah Berner [77:21]: "We're going to Windsor, Ontario. Cleveland. Cleveland, Ohio. We have some tickets left. Check it out on our website."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Hannah Berner [00:00]: "My dad works in B2B marketing... My friends still laugh at me to this day."

• Paige DeSorbo [00:32]: "I'm all about cultivating a vibe in my new apartment and the first thing I make whenever people come over is an espresso martini with Mr. Black."

• Hannah Berner [04:33]: "The second I wear a thong, I'm like, take it off... Do you know there's something up my butthole?"

• Grace [12:54]: "I'm just saying that because I think when guys do something for a role, I'm okay with it."

• Grace [22:25]: "Everyone's famous in Gen Z... like there's no structure to Gen Z celebrity ism."

• Hannah Berner [66:47]: "Everything we watch... is biased, and it's by someone who's trying to get you to think a type of way."

• Grace [75:19]: "I don't believe that they're doing the recycling either. I don't trust them."

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Concluding Insights

In this episode, Giggly Squad skillfully balances humor with critical discussions on pressing societal issues. From personal health and relationships to broader critiques of pop culture and environmental sustainability, Hannah and Paige offer listeners both entertainment and thoughtful reflection. Their candid exchanges encourage audiences to question societal norms and advocate for positive change, all while keeping the conversation engaging and relatable.

Whether it's dissecting the allure of beards in modern masculinity or unraveling the complexities of celebrity offspring, Giggly Squad remains a vibrant voice in contemporary podcasting, blending laughter with meaningful dialogue.

Transcript

[Hannah Burner]

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[Paige DeSorbo]

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[Hannah Burner]

Gary, fix your WI fi manifest that we can't be managed. I mean the day just got away from me. We are at our new studio. It.

[Grace]

Yeah, it is a studio.

[Hannah Burner]

It's not. It's decorated in my style right now but we will be changing it. But check us out on YouTube.

[Grace]

Well, honestly, because too many people were going to our studio. We didn't feel safe.

[Hannah Burner]

We didn't feel safe.

[Grace]

There was one time where there was three straight men in there like talking logistics And I was like, this is giggling Squad.

[Hannah Burner]

No. And we need to hold space for giggling and men. Take that space.

[Grace]

Do you remember that time? And I was like, well, we can't start the hot if there's three men here. It's.

[Hannah Burner]

We just sat there and they were like, are you guys going to start? And we're like, when you leave.

[Grace]

No. I literally got nervous. I was like, I can't.

[Hannah Burner]

Or when the UPS guy came in, and I was like, we will wait. We'll wait.

[Grace]

You were that teacher. You were the substitute teacher.

[Hannah Burner]

I'll wait.

[Grace]

I hated when teachers did that. I would get so frustrated.

[Hannah Burner]

I feel like all your memories from school were difficult.

[Grace]

Let's not talk about them.

[Hannah Burner]

Let's not talk about it. You guys, happy beginning of the week. I have so much shit to say.

[Grace]

I feel like you watched a lot of things over Thanksgiving. Yeah, I feel like I watched some Hannah things just to be able to speak to you.

[Hannah Burner]

I love that you're like, just to.

[Grace]

Argue, just to fit in.

[Hannah Burner]

I do have to announce I did get my period on day two.

[Grace]

Congrats.

[Hannah Burner]

When you're not on birth control, day two is, like, heavy.

[Grace]

Monstrous.

[Hannah Burner]

Monstrous. Like sitting down to synced up.

[Grace]

Like, we're fully. We're one person.

[Hannah Burner]

We're one person now. And it's funny because you wrote, I can't do tampons.

[Grace]

No.

[Hannah Burner]

Is have. Is your vagina too wide or too small? The canal.

[Paige DeSorbo]

How dare you.

[Grace]

I feel like I've said this before. I can't do tampons anymore. But I'm always doing it. Like, the first three days. Because I'm not.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah.

[Grace]

I'm not a monster. You can't just free bleed.

[Hannah Burner]

You have to free. I was gonna say. I was gonna say you have to go to work, but you don't. But you can't free bleed on your. With Daphne. Daphne's white.

[Grace]

Well, guess what? I freebled. Now I can't. I actually can't even do it on the first day. Like, I know that it's in there, and I can sense it. And I can almost feel my body, like, being like, get out. Like, pushing it out.

[Hannah Burner]

That's exactly how I feel about thongs.

[Grace]

Okay. Interesting.

[Hannah Burner]

Have we come to an understanding?

[Grace]

I think we have, because I'm just not.

[Hannah Burner]

The second I wear a thong, I'm like, take it off. I can feel it. I'm in a conversation, and I'm like, do you know there's something up my butthole?

[Grace]

And because I drink so much of my Stanley, I'm constantly peeing. So I'm like, I'm not changing my tampon every time I pee. And I'm one of those people that has to do that.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah.

[Grace]

And so now I'm just like, I'll put toilet paper in there. Like, I'm not. I can't do it.

[Hannah Burner]

I'm proud of you for setting boundaries and holding space in your pussy for something else besides a tampon. I do have to say one thing about our friendship is you make me better aesthetically. Because one thing about tour is like, I have to show up and at least show that I tried.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

Like, that's. I feel like our understanding. Like, you will not be upset if you saw that I put in an effort.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

So after.

[Grace]

No, you were late today. And I was like, where's Hannah? And then Grace goes. She's Dyson airwrapping her hair. And I go, give her a minute.

[Hannah Burner]

You go, let her take as long as she takes.

[Grace]

Let her cook.

[Hannah Burner]

Let her cook.

[Paige DeSorbo]

Let her.

[Hannah Burner]

Let that motherfucker cook.

[Grace]

So this is also the middle of.

[Paige DeSorbo]

The night for us.

[Hannah Burner]

It's 10:00am It's 10:00am also in the. So we've been on tour, which is chaos.

[Grace]

This is our last week.

[Hannah Burner]

Our last week.

[Grace]

I love Ziggler so much. Cannot wait for it to be done.

[Hannah Burner]

It's not done because we keep adding, you guys. We're adding. Don't worry. But it's done for 20, 24. But you don't have time when you come back from tour to like, do normal things. So it hit me last week, what are normal things? Getting Talk to family. Talking to family. Drinking water. No. But I had like a self care chaos day. I had to get lasered. Because the one rule with lasering is if you don't do it the next.

[Grace]

Month, it's like a waste.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah. So I get my laser, I got my hair did, and I got my nails did.

[Grace]

All in one day.

[Hannah Burner]

All in one day. It was chaos.

[Grace]

Oh, my gosh. You did all of that yesterday?

[Hannah Burner]

Yes.

[Grace]

Wow.

[Hannah Burner]

But I got my period, so I like, I'm so excited to get lasered. And I just look her in the eye and I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, I'm corked right now.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

And if something comes out like it's a waterfall. And she was like, it's totally fine. Yeah.

[Grace]

They don't care about that. Except for you. Did it hurt more like, I can't. I actually can't get laser when I have my period.

[Hannah Burner]

I feel like I'm Dealing with so much emotional pain day to day. The physical pain is a. Is for your.

[Grace]

Because it does make you, like, more sensitive.

[Hannah Burner]

I've never said reprieve on the podcast, but it was a reprieve.

[Grace]

It felt good.

[Hannah Burner]

I was. I.

[Grace]

Where are you doing? Where are you doing? What are your areas?

[Hannah Burner]

As you said, eyebrows down. Are you Eyebrows fucking down?

[Grace]

So you're doing your underarms.

[Hannah Burner]

Well, because I'm married to an Irish man who is a dolphin. Yeah.

[Grace]

And probably has blonde hair anyway, so it doesn't matter.

[Hannah Burner]

Literally doesn't have hair on his legs. Like, stunning.

[Grace]

That's crazy. So you're doing underarms.

[Hannah Burner]

Belly buttons.

[Grace]

Belly button. Are you doing full vagina or you're just doing, like, bikini?

[Hannah Burner]

Full vagina. Oh, wow.

[Grace]

Oh, she's here for a while.

[Hannah Burner]

She's here for four hours. She moves in. She. She's paying rent. And we. I know everything about her, but we talked about. We have. We have a nail girl. Yeah. Shout out.

[Grace]

We have the same nail girl. Her name is Jacqueline.

[Hannah Burner]

What we're obsessed about her is that she does not care to speak to us.

[Grace]

No. Actually prefers to not speak.

[Hannah Burner]

And what's so funny is we're on the road a lot to, like, we have the same conversation a thousand times. So, like, you get in the Uber and you're like, I don't want to talk about what we're doing. And, like, you get to the hotel, you don't have the same conversation. Like, we actually. Me and you don't like chatting. We're not chatters.

[Paige DeSorbo]

No.

[Grace]

We're not yappers.

[Hannah Burner]

We're talkers.

[Grace]

We are yapping all the time. We're not.

[Hannah Burner]

We're not. And that's the one thing. You know when your mom was like, I'm surprised you're friends with Hannah. I've been thinking about that. That's kept me up at night because we laughed. And then I went home and I got sad and I said, what did she mean by that? What did she mean by that? What?

[Grace]

I realized, no, I like, you and me be okay with it. It's only you.

[Hannah Burner]

No, but this is the thing. I'm not out here just, like, talking to talk.

[Grace]

Talking to me.

[Hannah Burner]

I'm not coming up to you, like, saying, I'm asking questions when I feel appropriate.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

That's the one thing.

[Grace]

If I was talking, you couldn't.

[Hannah Burner]

You wouldn't be able to handle.

[Grace]

No, when you're speaking, you have things to say that are important.

[Hannah Burner]

I wouldn't say that. That's a reach. I just think, you know, some people are like, I need to just, like, take up air yesterday stories. At least I'm making jokes.

[Grace]

Yesterday, I had Jacqueline over at my apartment. Obviously, Daphne can't speak, but, like, in my head, she can. And then I was getting my Christmas tree delivered for, like, 30 minutes. There were three grown adults in my home. Not a word was said. Not a single word was said.

[Hannah Burner]

So this is the funny thing about us. I don't want to talk.

[Grace]

No.

[Hannah Burner]

But when I can sense someone doesn't want to talk to me.

[Grace]

Yeah. Then you're like, I want to talk. Interesting.

[Hannah Burner]

I want to talk. So I'm sitting there with Jacqueline because we. We got both. Got our nails done yesterday, and I was like, I'm going to get her to want to talk to me. And. But it was. It's like a cat. You can't force it. You have to look like you talk to them.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

An hour. And she looked at me and she said, how was your Thanksgiving? And I said, it feels good to win.

[Grace]

Also, there's something with Jacqueline where I feel like she abides by, like, HIPAA laws.

[Hannah Burner]

Yes.

[Grace]

Because, like, when she's at your house and then she comes to mine, I'm always like, oh, you were with Hannah, like, just to see what she says. And I'm like, would she get on her nails? And she was like, almost like, didn't tell me. She was like, oh, she. I was like, tell me what she.

[Hannah Burner]

Did, because I'm her favorite right now.

[Grace]

She, like, she did pink with a little chrome. And I said, oh, that's so interesting.

[Hannah Burner]

So she also, like, we don't have. We do have a fun relationship, me and Jacqueline. I don't know if she would say that.

[Grace]

I like the way you say your name.

[Hannah Burner]

Jacqueline.

[Grace]

Jacqueline. A Jacqueline. Like, she's on a jack o'lantern she's from Queens.

[Hannah Burner]

So, like, we get each other because Des is from Queens. Anyway, when she was leaving, my initial thing to do was to, like, fuck with you. So I wanted to be like, can you tell Paige that, like, my knuckles are smaller than hers or something? But I just felt like our relationship wasn't there.

[Grace]

It wasn't there yet.

[Hannah Burner]

Because she would be like, no. And then I'd put her in an awkward. And I don't want to ever put Jacqueline in an awkward position. But so badly, I was like, what is something she could say that would, like, fuck with Paige?

[Grace]

No, that was good. No. We should start doing more pranks and have Jacqueline be in the middle because she'd really not like it.

[Hannah Burner]

Speaking of hair. Oh, I did get my. The top of my feet lasered as well.

[Grace]

Oh, wow.

[Hannah Burner]

So men, obviously have been doing, like, horrible things for the last thousand years. Centuries. Centuries.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

Jacob Elordi was the last one.

[Grace]

I'm so glad you're bringing this up. Let's hold space.

[Hannah Burner]

Okay.

[Grace]

Typically, I'm into facial hair because a.

[Paige DeSorbo]

Lot of men are ugly.

[Hannah Burner]

Well, now you're bringing me to my point about beards, which I'm fucking. Right.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

This is what I have to say about beards. If you're an ugly man, and so.

[Grace]

Many of them are, as most of them are.

[Hannah Burner]

This is my beard theory. If you're an ugly man, you get a beard. Then you become a bearded man.

[Grace]

Yeah. And a beard, and you've gone up automatically three points.

[Hannah Burner]

You're a man with a beard. You look like you could fix something. It's like makeup for men. It's contour. Yeah.

[Grace]

It's makeup for men.

[Hannah Burner]

It gives you a little bit. You're a man with a beard, and girls could get by that.

[Grace]

Yeah. We've come up with a story because of your beard. We've made you more interesting in our head because you have a beard. We're like, what's he hiding in there?

[Hannah Burner]

Exactly. You can hide your secret family, your 17 chins, a snack. You could hide whatever you want in that beard. And you've become a bearded man, and we can perceive that, and that's okay with us. When you're Jacob fucking O'Lordy and you have a jawline, and you have a je ne sais quoi to your face when you get a beard, you then go down to just a bearded man, and you lose the magic when you have a fucking jawline. Do not get a big beard. Also with the long hair. I know it's for a little.

[Grace]

Oh, is it?

[Hannah Burner]

I'm just saying that because I think when guys do something for a role, I'm okay with it.

[Grace]

Oh.

[Hannah Burner]

Cause it's for work. Because it means they're, like, working.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

And I like when they're busy.

[Grace]

It had, like, a reddish tint to it.

[Hannah Burner]

Oh, like a copper cowgirl cowboy copper. It was giving.

[Grace]

It was Hannah Burner red. A little bit on the sides.

[Hannah Burner]

I don't know what this person look, but this is what I envision. He looks like. He looked like Teddy Mellencamp. No, John Mellencamp. Teddy Mellencamp's dad. That's what I.

[Grace]

You don't know what John Mellencamp looks like? Neither do I. Who am I to say?

[Hannah Burner]

But that's what I think John Mellican looks like in the 70s. That's what John Mellencamp looks like. And Chris doesn't have his computer, but we're gonna put it underneath and see if I was accurate or not.

[Grace]

Okay. I'm gonna say no, but maybe. Who am I?

[Hannah Burner]

Hall of Notes. He looks like hall and Oates. I don't know what Hall Notes looks like. No, but, mom, did he look, my mom is here. No.

[Grace]

I feel like in the 70s, everyone had long hair.

[Hannah Burner]

So what are the girls to do?

[Grace]

I was upset by it.

[Hannah Burner]

The comments were so funny. They were like, this is the moment we realized he was just tall.

[Grace]

I was upset by it, but then I took a step back and I said, sometimes I cut a bob and I just go off. And I'm like, and today I have really short hair. Maybe he is also just like. And you. I want. I've been wanting to try a beard, and I'm going to try it.

[Hannah Burner]

But this is the thing. When you cut a bob, it's a religious, cultural experience. That's true. It is incredible.

[Grace]

And him growing a beard is just.

[Hannah Burner]

You're emphasizing your jawline. He's taking away. He's covering something.

[Grace]

What do you think his girlfriend felt? I'm sure she likes it.

[Hannah Burner]

What do you think about your boyfriend or girlfriend having opinions on your, like, hair?

[Grace]

I think it's okay for girls and it's not okay for boys.

[Hannah Burner]

Agreed. No. Agreed. So DEZ made a joke, and he was like, I kind of like your natural hair better. Like, I didn't marry a redhead. And I was like, how do I say in. But this is. How do I say, I don't care?

[Grace]

Like, your natural color?

[Hannah Burner]

That's what I told him. Also, this is why. I know he's lying. He didn't know I was red until I told him it was red.

[Grace]

Right.

[Hannah Burner]

Because he's straight.

[Grace]

Like, if we put all your different hair colors in a lineup, he wouldn't be able to.

[Hannah Burner]

He's. He's colorblind. He doesn't know.

[Grace]

Is he? Actually, no.

[Hannah Burner]

But all men are colorblind. That's a fact. That's a fact.

[Grace]

That's why they can't be pilots.

[Hannah Burner]

That's why. Wait, can we talk about how we. Oh, wait. We already talked about it. But I'm still shooketh from when we landed and then just went, oh, back up.

[Grace]

No, that was scary. That was really scary.

[Hannah Burner]

Jack Harlow.

[Grace]

Okay. That's what I wanted to talk about. Next.

[Hannah Burner]

So my mom is here who's a jazz singer. Mom, you had opinions on Jack Harlow singing Elvis? He couldn't sing.

[Grace]

He could.

[Hannah Burner]

She said he couldn't say, oh, my God.

[Grace]

Wait, see, this is why. This is why men are so good at tricking us. Because I thought, like, oh, my God, he's so good at it.

[Hannah Burner]

This is the thing. It's the bare minimum, and it's so right. Imagine, like, Ice Spice singing jazz. She would have been critiqued insanely. Ice Spice, if you can go for it.

[Grace]

Like, if she tried to sing like Whitney Houston.

[Hannah Burner]

Well, if she just went on stage. Yeah. And tried to sing, everyone would be like, she can't sing. And I don't even know what she sounds like. But it wouldn't critique that man. He has a good tone. I like his tone, but I don't think he was hitting notes, like, opposite of me. I hit notes don't have a tone.

[Grace]

I'm not even musically inclined enough to know, except for you, when something sounds bad.

[Hannah Burner]

Did we start the Battle Cry challenge or was that happening?

[Grace]

I don't even know.

[Hannah Burner]

Everyone's trying to hit the note on TikTok now.

[Grace]

No, I truly.

[Hannah Burner]

I feel like it wasn't related.

[Grace]

Did you see Sabrina Carpenter do it and she was almost, like, surprised that she did it?

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah, it was adorable. Yeah, it was adorable. Apparently, Sabrina and Barry broke up.

[Grace]

Good.

[Hannah Burner]

As they should. Yeah.

[Grace]

I wasn't really into them as a couple anyway.

[Hannah Burner]

No, no, no.

[Grace]

Like, I was in the beginning for, like, the first week, and then I was over it.

[Hannah Burner]

When your first love song about him is about. Don't embarrass me. You know where it's going.

[Grace]

Yeah. Here's the thing about Jack Harlow. I'm, like, kind of off him.

[Hannah Burner]

Why?

[Grace]

I just, like, I've been really taking into account, like, men's ages and anything under my age. I'm like, you're a fetus. You don't even exist in the world. Do you even. Have you ever paid taxes?

[Hannah Burner]

I was talking. No, I know. I was talking about how there's a certain age you hit as a woman where it starts being fun again to be with a young guy. Because it's like, you're like, oh, I could boss him around and teach him stuff, and, like, everything's new to him.

[Grace]

What age is that?

[Hannah Burner]

I think when I hit when Des dies, when I'm around 48. I was going to say, like, 44.

[Grace]

Okay.

[Hannah Burner]

Then it's like, that's actually amazing, because.

[Grace]

I feel like that will coincide with our Facelifts?

[Hannah Burner]

Yes. But then I'm upset if Des will never see my facelift.

[Grace]

Yeah, he'll be there in spirit.

[Hannah Burner]

Okay.

[Grace]

He's gonna be alive in 10 years. If I was Dez and I listened to us, I'd be so mad. We make him 85.

[Hannah Burner]

I feel like occasionally he does listen to Giggly Squad, but he doesn't tell me. Like, he does a check in every now and then to just make sure we haven't gone too far. I think he just, like, needs to know the temperature.

[Grace]

Are the girls okay?

[Hannah Burner]

Are the girls okay? If we're talking about men, which we are. This is my note I wrote John Summit, question mark. Question mark? Question mark. I don't know what's going on.

[Grace]

You don't know who it is?

[Hannah Burner]

No, I know who it is, but I don't understand the lore.

[Grace]

What is the lore? All I know is that he, first.

[Hannah Burner]

Of all, he's a dj.

[Grace]

He's a dj, but he's an example of someone that, like, he made me feel old. Even though I think we're actually like the same age. Because on TikTok, it felt like it's in his 30s, I think. So it felt like everyone knew who John Summit was. And, like, John Summit's been famous for years.

[Hannah Burner]

It feels like everyone knows who John Summit is except John Summit.

[Grace]

No, I think he believes his own hype too.

[Hannah Burner]

Well, this is my thing. I support men in the arts. Is he like an insanely talented dj?

[Grace]

I could never tell if someone was an insanely talented dj.

[Hannah Burner]

Has there ever been an insanely talented dj? No.

[Grace]

That's the question. I'm like.

[Hannah Burner]

I understand if you're like, make your own beats. But if you're literally just playing the most popular songs back to back and.

[Grace]

Like, putting them together.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah. I mean, if it's a girl dj, obviously she's talented. But boy dj is they boys? Music's not for boys. No.

[Grace]

This is so funny you say that. Because every time I see Zandra come up on my TikTok and she's doing something, I'm like, I've never met her. Met her clip. I've never met her, but I'm so proud of her.

[Hannah Burner]

Also, girl DJs are cool. They're like girl stand ups because you.

[Grace]

Know that she works.

[Hannah Burner]

They have to deal with like, the men late at night and they're like, excuse me, I'm trying to mix.

[Grace]

I'm trying to do my art. Yes.

[Hannah Burner]

But I do have to say John Summit. I know that, like, he had, like a Thing with Ashton Earl or whatever. And if that's what's giving him, like, popularity, then I'm more upset because I don't want guys to be empowered because they were associated with a cool.

[Grace]

You could just say, I don't want guys.

[Hannah Burner]

No, but, like, I don't want his career being lifted because he.

[Grace]

I don't.

[Hannah Burner]

She let him touch him.

[Grace]

I'm not sure if it. I'm sure. Obviously, like, people found out who he was more because of her, but I don't think. I think it was mutual.

[Hannah Burner]

And also right now, I'm doing it like, I'm giving John Summit more attention.

[Grace]

You're giving him a platform.

[Hannah Burner]

I'm giving him a platform. And, like, for all I know, you're.

[Grace]

Giving him a seat at this flower table.

[Hannah Burner]

For all I know, he's the sweetest man ever. I'm just saying. What are we missing?

[Grace]

Yeah, I know.

[Hannah Burner]

Where's Grace?

[Grace]

I'm not sure.

[Hannah Burner]

Cause she's of that age. Grace.

[Grace]

She quit.

[Hannah Burner]

She's working. She's like, I'm working. Someone has to work in this business.

[Grace]

No. Here's what I don't want. Want a man.

[Hannah Burner]

He could use a beard.

[Grace]

John. Okay?

[Hannah Burner]

That is the man that needs a beard.

[Grace]

I don't ever want a man to be in Vegas and posting Instagram stories about how much fun he's having in Vegas. Ever. No matter what your profession is, what.

[Hannah Burner]

Are you overcompensating for? If you're having fun in Vegas, you.

[Grace]

Could be hired by the city of Las Vegas to talk about how great. Las Vegas.

[Hannah Burner]

Swipe up. Las Vegas.

[Grace]

And I'm still upset.

[Hannah Burner]

Wait, do you remember Swipe Ups?

[Grace]

Yeah. Sad.

[Hannah Burner]

Rest in peace.

[Grace]

Swipe up.

[Hannah Burner]

I just. I'm sorry. Like, I've. Like, for example, Benson Boone.

[Grace]

Who the fuck is that?

[Hannah Burner]

Benson Boone is the guy at the VMAs that jumped off the piano and did a backflip and hit the note.

[Grace]

Wait, let me say one thing. You know, like, when you were younger and you would say something and your parents, like, would be like, I have no idea what that is. And you'd be like, oh, my God. They just, like, don't. And I was always really scared to get to that age of, like, where I was like, I don't know what the kids are talking about. I love it. I actively love. I feel better than people.

[Hannah Burner]

Maybe that's why I'm coming for John Summit, because I don't get it. And it's making me feel old being.

[Grace]

In a group of people talking about a celebrity Or a pop star and me coming in and being like, I have no idea who you're talking about. I feel better than all those people. I'm like, sorry, I'm in the real world.

[Hannah Burner]

Tell me when you're talking about Whitney Houston or Nelly. Okay.

[Grace]

Doing real artists, real world things. I don't have time for your made up celebrities. Also, let's talk about how Gen Z has just like they make up celebrities.

[Hannah Burner]

Well, everyone's famous in Gen Z.

[Grace]

Everyone's famous in Gen Z. Everyone can get canceled in Gen Z. Everyone. Like they have no, no one's safe for me. They have no structure. They have no hierarchy. That's their problem. They have no A list celebrities, B list celebrities. See, like there's no structure to Gen Z. Celebrity ism. And it's, it gives you whiplash.

[Hannah Burner]

It gives you whiplash.

[Grace]

And everyone has the same name. Gracie Abrams, she. That's the same name as someone else I've known about her, but it's not her. Like, do you know what I mean? Gracie Abrams and John Summit. Same person. Same person. Oh my God. And I'm like, who are either of them?

[Hannah Burner]

Wait, they are. They are. Well, can someone message in? Because like I don't want to completely bash like a man trying to do his best and working even though it's in Vegas and whatever he's doing. What is the reason? What is the reason?

[Grace]

No DJs have definitely shout out to DJs because they've really taken a profession that everyone has shit on for so many years and stuck to it and they've doubled down and they've stuck with it.

[Hannah Burner]

My personal thing with DJs is I dated a jazz musician, as we all know, Jazzy John back in the day.

[Grace]

Who could forget him?

[Hannah Burner]

One of my first loves. One of my many first loves. And he would go to restaurants for three hours and perform jazz. When I say perform jazz, I mean you have an instrument that you've been training for years to play and you're riffing like jazz is like he's just listening to what the people. I don't even know what he's doing, but he's, he's making it up on the spot. Like they, they're going on. So it's incredible. And they're getting paid $100. Then you have DJs who are pressing a button for three hours and getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars. There's just a discrepancy there that I felt bad. Like we went to a party in the Hamptons.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

And he was standing there and the guy was just like, playing off his laptop. And he was like, a guy's probably getting paid like five, $10,000 tonight. Should we do a DJ lesson, maybe? I mean, I could do it right now with my laptop. I mean, I do have to say shout out to my playlist. It's basically the annoying friend who wants the aux chord all the time who thinks they're music. To be a dj, you have to be delusional that you think your music taste, people should pay for it.

[Grace]

Yeah. Where it's just like you just took the top 100 songs from a specific year and you put them all together.

[Hannah Burner]

Also, like, you're playing music that other people made.

[Grace]

Right. Well, that's the big thing that would be like if I. Giggly squad. We went on stage and we just said a bunch of jokes that other people have made. We put them together really well.

[Hannah Burner]

No, we went on Netflix, cut up a bunch of Netflix specials that aren't ours and just played them on tv. It was like, this was funny. Right. And I understand.

[Grace]

That's so true.

[Hannah Burner]

DJs like to party and they like to be out there and they like to feel like they're bringing energy. But you fist bumping is not bringing energy.

[Grace]

Well, here's the thing with that. Why we also don't connect with DJs is because I would assume that all DJs get energy from other people. Like, that fills their cup up.

[Hannah Burner]

I'm gonna be honest.

[Grace]

We couldn't be more opposite of that.

[Hannah Burner]

They're getting energy from drugs. They're pushers. They push people.

[Grace]

They're like, my son's at 2am Nothing good happens at 2am so it's the.

[Hannah Burner]

Holiday season, and I'm running out of inspiration to get cool, fun, beautiful gifts for the holidays. And this happens every year. But now I have Pinterest, and I'm so excited to do a little searching and a little shopping. In this special segment presented by Pinterest.

[Paige DeSorbo]

And Acast Creative, I'm like, I'm a true millennial. Like, I've been obsessed with Pinterest since the day that it came out. I've never found Inspo the way I can find it on Pinterest. And now that I live in, like, my dream apartment and it's so gorgeous, I'm always looking for holiday decor. Inspo. And I have, like, seven different trees saved that I'm like, I have to recreate all of them. And it's so hard to pick, but it truly does give you, like, the Most unique inspiration. And I have so many boards from for so many years.

[Hannah Burner]

Also their search bar and algorithm, like, we're women in stem. It's so good because I'll be like something very specific. I'll be like, what do I get for my brother who's outdoorsy but also likes expensive things and is from New York and like, it'll give me inspiration. I hate when people get you like stereotypical gifts. Like, oh, like you're an ant. You'll like the shirt that says ant on it. Like, give me something that makes you feel like you know who I am.

[Paige DeSorbo]

No. Pinterest truly does have the best gift guides and they're so unique. And you can unwrap the holiday season with a few gifts.

[Hannah Burner]

And I'm guilty too of giving people uninspirational gifts because I waited last second. I googled something online and clicked the first thing that came up. And that's why I love Pinterest gift guides. Some examples of their gift guides that I love is like 50 gifts for your mom that you'll high key want for yourself. That's my favorite gift when you give it to your mom, but you know you're probably gonna use it or she'll eventually give it to you.

[Paige DeSorbo]

I feel like that's everything I buy for my mom.

[Hannah Burner]

They also have a holiday guide for the homebody, a holiday guide for the wellness enthusiast.

[Paige DeSorbo]

What about a pet gift guide? I feel like they definitely have like a good pet one.

[Hannah Burner]

They definitely do. They also have one that's just like French inspired.

[Paige DeSorbo]

No, I'm obsessed.

[Hannah Burner]

And you can shop from these guides. Like you literally just click on them.

[Paige DeSorbo]

Oh, and I saw that too. And I'm definitely getting my mom a pair of those Missoni slippers. Thank you for listening to this special segment brought to you by Pinterest and Acast Creative. We've found loads of inspo on what to give. And let's be real, we're probably going to give a few things to ourselves too. Ditch the stereotypical gifts this holiday season and head over to pinterest.comshop to find more inspired ones. Hey gigglers. Etsy knows what kind of holiday gift reactions you're really looking for this year. You want squeals of delight, happy tears. You want everyone to feel like you handmade, handpicked, designed gifts for them. And to get those reactions, then you need Etsy. Ever since I got Daphne, I feel like I've been on Etsy every single day because they really do have such unique things. I give Daphne every single day even when it's not the holiday season because Etsy makes it so simple to find original items that will make whoever I'm shopping for feel extra special. Shop Etsy this holiday season for personalized jewelry, custom artwork, cozy styles, vintage pieces, and home decor. I've done a lot of Christmas tree decoration shopping on Etsy recently. I even got my Christmas tree topper from them. So for original gifts that say I get you, Etsy has it. This is an ad by BetterHelp. BetterHelp has improved therapy, making it affordable and convenient, and now it's even better. Sign up for BetterHelp between December 3rd and 5th to get one free month of therapy. Take a breather from the hectic nature of the holiday season. BetterHelp can help you pause and take care of yourself. Visit betterhelp.com gigglysquad between December 3rd and 5th for one free month of online therapy. That's BetterHelp. H E L P.com Giggly Squad valid for new US customers only. You know when you discover a new binge worthy show or a song that you bump on repeat and you have to share it with your friends so that they can experience just how awesome it is. That's kind of what it feels like when you discover Mint Mobile offers premium wireless for 15amonth when you purchase a three month plan. It's such an awesome deal, there's no way you can keep it to yourself. Friends don't let friends overpay for wireless. So say bye bye to your overpriced wireless plans and switch to Mint Mobile. All plans come with high speed data and unlimited talk and text delivered on the nation's largest 5G network. Use your own phone with any Mint Mobile plan and bring your phone number along with all of your existing contacts. So ditch the overpriced wireless with Mint Mobile's deal and get three months of premium wireless service for 15 bucks a month. To get this new customer offer and your new three month premium wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month, go to mintmobile.com giggly that's mintmobile.com giggly Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at mintmobile.com, $45 upfront payment required, equivalent to $15 a month. New customers on first three month plan only speed slower above 40 GB on unlimited plan. Additional taxes, fees and restrictions apply. Cement Mobile for details. It's so great when you can get someone a gift they wouldn't necessarily get for themselves, whether it's a little bit of luxury or they don't even know that they're missing out for all affordable gifts. My go to is definitely Quince. Quince lets you treat your loved ones and yourself for everyday luxury at affordable prices. They have everything from cashmere to 14 karat gold jewelry, Italian leather handbags and European linen sheets. Quince's Items are priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands and they do that by partnering directly with top factories and cutting out the cost of the middleman which passes the savings on to you. Quince is definitely on the nice list and they only work with factories that use safe, ethical and responsible manufacturing practices. I love everything I have from Quint. I have a cute little set from them. Hannah's mom has a ton of stuff from them and she always looks so good. So give the gift of luxury this holiday season without the luxury price tag. Go to quince.com giggly for 365 day returns plus free shipping on your order. That's Q U I n c e.com giggly to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com giggly.

[Hannah Burner]

My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big roas man. Then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend. My friends still laugh at me to this day. Not everyone gets B2B but with LinkedIn you'll be able to reach people who do. Get a hundred dollar credit on your next ad campaign. Go to LinkedIn.com results to claim your credit. That's LinkedIn.com results. Terms and conditions apply. LinkedIn the place to be to be oh I do need to do a shout out for talking about influencers. This girl posted the funniest TikTok that was basically like how influencers I'm totally fine if you have a bad breakup with your boyfriend, but if you've been pushing down people's throats how perfect and amazing your relationship is to make people jealous for even two months. I don't give a fuck about your 50 part series about your 50 part series because you tried to. I'm about to do a 50 part series about how you inflicted pain on me.

[Grace]

Yeah you gaslit me if you gaslit.

[Hannah Burner]

Me and pretended your relationship was perfect cause I'm fine if you're lying to yourself. Don't lie to everyone. Yeah lie to yourself. You're trying to make other people feel bad by posting you guys making out in a picnic and then commenting. If you're commenting on each other's posts, romantic things Like, I'm sorry, seek help. But also like, when y'all break up, I know people are like, tell us what happened. Actually, I know.

[Grace]

No, I feel like I'm such an advocate of like not posting your boyfriend on your own social media.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Because one day you guys are going to break up. Sorry.

[Hannah Burner]

It's basically like the friend who like sits down and she's like, tries to make you jealous every day about how cute her boyfriend is.

[Grace]

Like a one upper.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah. And then the next day she's like, you know, he treated me like absolute shit the whole time. You're like, I hold space for that. And I feel bad.

[Grace]

I love that holding space has become such a freaking thing now.

[Hannah Burner]

I hold space for that. It's different when it's like a friend and it's a personal thing, but when you've been using your relationship, I do like that you monetize it and use it for likes, but when you're using it to make other girls feel bad about their relationship and then you want them to hold space for you that you've been lying the whole time. Let's start off with apology. Yep, let's apologize for the lying also. Let's stop lying.

[Grace]

Right.

[Hannah Burner]

You trying to make your relationship look good on Instagram for other people hurts them and hurts you.

[Grace]

Just don't post it in general.

[Hannah Burner]

You can post it, but post the fighting. Post the fight post and be like, we. He. I hate this man. Yeah, no, it's just there's the Internet is lies.

[Grace]

Well, it's a lot of emotional drama that like, you're not privy to and you have to like, get in the headspace of like, oh, and now we hate this man. Because I'm about to watch 30 parts of like the worst things ever. So it's a lot of admin for us because I'm like, well, yesterday we were like obsessed. We were waiting for you to get engaged and now we're like, we hate him. So it's a lot of catch up.

[Hannah Burner]

I'm also not supportive of the Gen Z trend of I'm trying to go.

[Grace]

Viral for your own people.

[Hannah Burner]

No, I have to call them out because they, they don't have more mature people in their life who've messed up in this capacity. Don't try to get attention from rage bait. Don't rage bait. People don't try to be like, okay, this is going to go viral because I'm going to say something so fucked up a guy's done to me. Guys have done very fucked up things to Me, I don't need to say it in public.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

Because I don't need that attention.

[Grace]

I think we're in a. We're in an area where becoming viral is, like, proving a conspiracy theory or like, proving something that, like, everyone once loved is actually really bad.

[Hannah Burner]

Yes.

[Grace]

Like, it's like finding some, like, hidden truth.

[Hannah Burner]

Fear mongering.

[Grace]

It's fear mongering. I don't like the word mongering.

[Hannah Burner]

I know. What is a monger?

[Grace]

It makes me uncomfortable.

[Hannah Burner]

I'm gonna go mong.

[Grace]

I don't love it, so. Yeah, I agree. And it's, like, really stressful. Like, there was a girl, like, making a TikTok about, like, some club in New York City, and it was just like. It was the worst club and it was actually extra. And I was like, oh, my God, I think I've gone to that club. Is that really what was happening?

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah.

[Grace]

And then people, like, commenting, being like, what are you talking about? Like, it just closed down. Like, it's not like some secret. So it's just, like, so many different.

[Hannah Burner]

Let's go back to the simple of, like, the energy you put out in the world is the energy you get back. Whatever happened to, like, when a guy with you, you give him and you.

[Grace]

Put ham on his car? Like, whatever happened to that? Whatever happened? You never heard that. If you. But is it ham or baloney?

[Hannah Burner]

Like, you throw it.

[Grace]

Put baloney on a car, it takes the pain off. I've never done it, but I've heard.

[Hannah Burner]

I love when Chris goes to his phone to be like, what the. Are they talking? Is that some Italian?

[Grace]

No.

[Hannah Burner]

Thing.

[Grace]

No, I think, like, girls, like, talked about it in high school. Eggs.

[Hannah Burner]

Eggs. How do you know that?

[Grace]

It's a ham and cheese sandwich.

[Hannah Burner]

Wait, Grace, you were gone. Why do people like John Summit? She was like, don't get me involved in that.

[Grace]

She's like, hr.

[Hannah Burner]

Hr. But no.

[Grace]

What? I've been begging for HR on tour, and we're just like, nope.

[Hannah Burner]

Whatever happened to, like, you find out a guy's an asshole and you go, okay, he now has no access to me, and I'm never talking to him again. And he can't fuck with me, and he's not a part of my life, and he could watch me go be more successful than him. What happened to that?

[Grace]

What happened to silence? Truly? What happened to everyone just, I don't know, shutting the fuck up?

[Hannah Burner]

There's this comedian named. I believe it's Dana. Dana Donnelly. Yep. She's hilarious. And I sent her video to Ken Urich. Because I felt like Ken needed. I'm like, Ken's older sister. That she didn't ask for anything.

[Grace]

Kennedy does. I'm like, it's fine. She's going through something.

[Hannah Burner]

Okay. So she goes, dana said opposite. She goes, tell everyone any everything all the time. So you're never a target for blackmail. I feel like that's how Ken Urich lives her life.

[Grace]

There was a moment. Wait, actually, I think this is, like, when I became obsessed with Kennedy. This is years ago. Someone was trying to blackmail her, like, in 2020. And I remember her making a TikTok, being like, you're not blackmailing me. This is what it was.

[Hannah Burner]

This is what I did.

[Grace]

And I remember being like, oh, my God. I can't believe blackmail is a real thing.

[Hannah Burner]

One thing I do. Stand by and I've one thing about me. I will say I've made mistakes. I've never lied.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

I've never not told the truth. Call me crazy. Don't tell me if I don't know anything.

[Grace]

I'll lie right to your face.

[Hannah Burner]

So this is the thing with. With saying everything on the Internet is, yes, no one can blackmail you. But what. At what cost? At what cost?

[Grace]

No. Some of the things that some girls say on the Internet, I'm like, you'd have to waterboard. You would have to physically let me down.

[Hannah Burner]

You went on one. You're so right.

[Grace]

To get that information out of this little body, you'd have to torture.

[Hannah Burner]

But that's why the Internet's fucked up right now. Because half the Internet is lying.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

And pretending there's something they're not. The other Internet is telling too much.

[Grace]

It's too much.

[Hannah Burner]

It's too much. So we have to find a happy medium again. Because the Internet is full of lies and too much. And people exposing themselves.

[Grace]

Love and light and, like, not being ashamed of who you are. Some people should have a small percentage of shame. Just like a little baby bit of shame. And what's the other word I'm looking for? Self respect. Bring it back. Bring back self respect.

[Hannah Burner]

Okay. Speaking of babies, my mom, who's in the room, actually told me the most insane IVF story.

[Grace]

Okay.

[Hannah Burner]

It was on the New York Times.

[Grace]

A real New York Times.

[Hannah Burner]

When my mom sends it from the New York Times, It's a real New.

[Grace]

York Times written article from the New York Times.

[Hannah Burner]

A written article. So this couple does ivf, gets their baby, and their baby's perfect. Basically, a couple weeks in, they're like.

[Grace]

Why is brand new fresh baby fresh it's fresh out of the womb. She carried it. She's pregnant.

[Paige DeSorbo]

Okay.

[Hannah Burner]

A couple of weeks in, they're like, that's an Asian baby.

[Grace]

Stop.

[Hannah Burner]

Like, at first they were like, they didn't know. And then they were like, that is an Asian baby. Now, there's nothing wrong with Asian babies.

[Grace]

Unless you, in fact, are not Asian or Asian.

[Hannah Burner]

They were Spanish and Italian and Jewish.

[Grace]

Okay.

[Hannah Burner]

With an Asian baby. And they love this baby, but they're.

[Grace]

Like, this is not our baby.

[Hannah Burner]

This is not our baby. So they go to the adoption agency. No, not adoption. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm sorry. Because my mom's here listening to me retell a story she told me. I can't do it. Like, you know when someone's like, I.

[Grace]

Feel like you're in school.

[Hannah Burner]

You're in school.

[Grace]

You're taking a test. I'm so scared right now. How was your listening comprehension? Not good.

[Hannah Burner]

She's shaking her head before even started. Yeah.

[Grace]

She's like, no.

[Hannah Burner]

Okay. So she goes to the IVF people.

[Grace]

She could never be on Giggly Squad because Giggly Squad is built on misinformation.

[Hannah Burner]

We are spreading fear mongering lore.

[Grace]

Lies, lies.

[Hannah Burner]

So they go to. I don't even know what an ivf. The clinic.

[Grace]

A facility.

[Hannah Burner]

A facility, if you will. A house of ivf. The house of IVF as a product.

[Grace]

The couture house of ivf. The atelier house of ivf. Of ivf. There's one in Paris. They're building one in Italy and Milan, obviously.

[Hannah Burner]

I went to IVF week in Amsterdam. Did not get invited to Tokyo.

[Grace]

IVF week. Is IVF week so hard to get into our future.

[Hannah Burner]

So they go to the IVF place.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

And they were like, I don't. My baby's Asian.

[Grace]

They're like, look what you've done.

[Hannah Burner]

They go, that's crazy, because there's another couple that just came in who's Asian and their baby has red hair.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

And look, there's. There's. We're not. There's no judgment going around. Yeah. But they were like, something's off because the other people had red hair. Okay, Right. So they're heartbroken because they find out these Two families are 10 minutes away from each other.

[Grace]

Okay, how long have they had each baby?

[Hannah Burner]

Two months.

[Grace]

Two months.

[Hannah Burner]

So they.

[Grace]

Wait, wait, wait. Sorry. Question for the mom in the room. Can you breastfeed a baby that's not yours? Yes. Oh.

[Hannah Burner]

Do you know, back then, communities would, like, communally nurse. Like, they'd be like, we have kids and the moms take care of the kids. Like, I'm gonna nurse your baby.

[Grace]

No, you're not.

[Hannah Burner]

Wait, imagine the baby. Imagine the baby was like, not my brand.

[Grace]

She's like, you're always eating salty things.

[Hannah Burner]

The baby's like, did you have Mexican food last night? Wait. I mean, it probably differs a little, but no, all the babies can eat. Oh, babies are eating. You're. You're fucking connected. So the. At first they're like, oh, our bad IVF place. Yeah. They're like, we're gonna start doing the legal things to switch it back. Because you can't just immediately switch it back. Right. So because they legally owned those babies, right?

[Grace]

No, no. I'm knocking on that door and being like, so cookie exchange.

[Hannah Burner]

It wasn't a cookie exchange because they felt. They each felt so connected to their babies. So it was very hard.

[Grace]

Oh, my God.

[Hannah Burner]

So they. Because imagine. Imagine you have Daphne for two weeks. Yeah.

[Grace]

You had to.

[Hannah Burner]

Someone goes, that's actually the baby that.

[Grace]

I was supposed to have.

[Hannah Burner]

And they were. They're like, that's. We got it wrong.

[Grace]

No, I'm.

[Hannah Burner]

Now, that's my baby.

[Grace]

I'm learning Asian culture. I'm doing the things.

[Hannah Burner]

So they decide to do this kind of co parenting thing where like, every day they see the babies to like, well, that's unsustainable. Well, yeah. So after a couple years, it's been like five years. And now. Oh, yeah, there's older siblings, so they had to be like, your. Your younger brother's not your younger brother.

[Grace]

But apparently so now respective children live in respect, like their biological.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah. Now they see each other weekly. But, like, it's crazy because we're not moms, so we don't know that initial phase. But like, the nights you spend with this baby also, like, I don't know how that person's been raising my baby.

[Grace]

This is so off brand. I really wonder, what were the dads doing?

[Hannah Burner]

Nothing.

[Grace]

Like, where were the dads in this situation?

[Hannah Burner]

Apparently the dads were distraught because it.

[Grace]

Had to have been. Both moms were, like, looking at, like, each baby one night and we're just like, I don't.

[Hannah Burner]

Dads definitely didn't notice. Or they did. And they were like, what Asian man were you fucking?

[Grace]

Also. Yeah. I'm surprised there wasn't more drama. Drama, like, discourse. Imagine like someone was just like, I did cheat on you. And it was like, not a thing. Whatever. I wonder if they're going to. How they're going to tell the kids what happened, like, when they're Old enough.

[Hannah Burner]

So this is the crazy thing, and I'm not trying to fear monger, but.

[Grace]

Obsessed with fear monger.

[Hannah Burner]

Apparently this happens all the time, but the only time people know is when it's a different race.

[Grace]

I have to hold space for that. That I wonder truly how often.

[Hannah Burner]

Well, apparently there's, like, not a lot of regulation.

[Grace]

Okay. Well, I have always heard when you give birth, like, you know, when they take your baby to, like, clean it up or all the stuff that, like, you do not let it go by.

[Hannah Burner]

Itself because they fumble it.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

So all babies look the same.

[Grace]

I have a feeling because, like, manifesting, like, when we have our own, they're.

[Hannah Burner]

Gonna switch our babies at birth.

[Grace]

No, when we are ready to have babies, I just have this feeling that, like, we're also gonna be in labor at the same time. And so, like, we're gonna rent, like, a house type situation. It's not the real world to have them. And the doctors will come to us and it'll be like a makeshift hospital.

[Hannah Burner]

It's not a laser girl that comes.

[Grace]

I want it to be private. I want it to be the equivalent of flying private when I give birth. Like, I don't want anyone around.

[Hannah Burner]

Are you going to have a surrogate?

[Grace]

No, not, like, initially, but if I had to at some point have a surrogate, I would.

[Hannah Burner]

Grace is dying laughing. I heard the first one's the hardest, though. I feel like after the first one, the rest just, like, drop out of your.

[Grace]

No, I want to carry at least one.

[Hannah Burner]

Just for the experience. Just for experience.

[Grace]

Just for the experience. But then I feel like, how do you.

[Hannah Burner]

For the culture.

[Grace]

How do you say to, like, that kid that you didn't carry? Like, yeah, I was over it.

[Hannah Burner]

You go, mommy, sorry, Mommy did enough. I also, I personally, people will be like, actually, no one's asked me, but if someone did and was like, are you afraid of, like, having a baby? I know in my heart of hearts I'm going to shoot that baby out of the baby.

[Grace]

No, I feel like you're gonna be so good.

[Hannah Burner]

I'm gonna do it standing up. No, I'm gonna do it like people are afraid doing. In the cab. I'm doing it in the cab.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

I'm literally going to be like, I'm going to use all my quads.

[Grace]

No, I think you're going to be so good at giving birth.

[Hannah Burner]

Thank you. Thank you. Like, you know what? I was like, oh, it took me 19 hours, 19 minutes. No, I'm going to be competitive about it.

[Grace]

You're Going to be in there and being like, this has got to be some type of record.

[Hannah Burner]

I do.

[Grace]

You're going to make people look up statistics and stats.

[Hannah Burner]

I want to be the alona mayor of.

[Grace]

Yeah, you're going to be looking up people's times. You're like, maybe you also, you know.

[Hannah Burner]

Some girls are, like, demure about everything. Like how they eat and like, how they laugh. I feel like some girls try to be demure having a baby, like, getting their makeup done. They have makeup done. They're lying there like their husband's in the room and they're like, I'm pushing. I'm literally going to be like, okay.

[Grace]

Two things that I think are off brand for me. Well, one, not so much. First thing, don't want my husband in the room. See ya. Get out of here. I really don't.

[Hannah Burner]

I want him to see my pain. I want him to lock eyes with me the entire time. I don't want my soul and the struggle I'm going through.

[Grace]

I only want my mom.

[Hannah Burner]

Well, yes, mom. Did you have dad in the room?

[Grace]

Why do you know My mom didn't have my dad in the room.

[Hannah Burner]

It was like a connecting thing. Did you let him see it come out? And that's two types of girls. My mom, because you guilt tripped him. He thought you were like a superhero.

[Grace]

My mom did it in such a giggly squad coded way.

[Hannah Burner]

She.

[Grace]

They never put you under to have a c section. They put her under. They're like, why don't you take a nap? You're annoying. But no, she was, like, really sick. So she was, like, put under. When they took me out, she was sick and I feel like she was like, I'm sick. I feel like that's so me. Like, I had no idea what was going on. And then all of a sudden, they just, like, lifted me out and I was like, this is fine. That's truly who I am at my core.

[Hannah Burner]

When they, like, there was no stress.

[Grace]

On me for my own birth. Like, I wasn't crying. I wasn't, like, fighting my way out. Like, I was literally laid in a different spot. And I was like, yes.

[Hannah Burner]

See, I probably had like, a weird head angle because it came out weird and there was just, like, stuff. They did try to put a hat on me and I immediately started freaking out.

[Grace]

You're like, I'm not into accessorizing.

[Hannah Burner]

I was like, I'm not wearing this hat. I, like, got my fingers stuck on. They called me, like, didn't they call me crazy animal?

[Paige DeSorbo]

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[Hannah Burner]

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[Grace]

I watched the substance over the weekend.

[Hannah Burner]

Do you need to hold space?

[Grace]

I want nothing to do with it. I'm not holding space. I'm not.

[Hannah Burner]

You hate it.

[Grace]

I hate it.

[Hannah Burner]

Well, because it was artsy.

[Grace]

I hated it.

[Hannah Burner]

It was artsy.

[Grace]

I hated it.

[Hannah Burner]

Tell me everything. What are your thoughts?

[Grace]

I'm obsessed with Demi Moore. I love her. I'm obsessed with Margaret Qualley. I think they're great actresses. I'm really surprised that two really huge names signed on to do this movie because I thought the story of it very different, very like so pertinent to like our life and culture. I just felt like it, it took a turn into like a horror movie that I was not expecting it. I thought it was going to be a little more nuance of like first of all, you know how you have like your delusions of like you're a Michelin star chef, you're like a pop star. You can do all these things.

[Hannah Burner]

Yes. Not delusions.

[Grace]

Sorry. They had no lines. I could have been an Oscar award winning actress in that movie. They had no lines. They didn't talk. It was facial expressions. It was. I just felt like it could have gone more, like, made you really think, which I think it did. But I just wasn't expecting it to be as gory as it was. And I can't watch. I really can't watch stuff like that.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah, it was. It's funny. I liked it. Cause it was so unrealistic. Gory. Like, I can't watch realistic, like, war movies when they're, like, cutting off someone's arm. I'm out. I'm out. Like a second. They put a leather strip in someone's mouth. I'm out.

[Grace]

What?

[Hannah Burner]

You know, they make them bite down on stuff because they're, like, removing, like, someone's limb. I'm out. I'm out. I know the song. Oh, classic torture.

[Grace]

Yeah, classic torture.

[Hannah Burner]

But when it's so unrealistic, I'm like, this is crazy.

[Grace]

I mean, like, she got out of her body. Like, it was just too much.

[Hannah Burner]

I feel like it was the kind of thing where, like, it was missing something. Like, I wanted it was missing something. But apparently people either love it or, like, despise it.

[Grace]

Honestly, I felt the same way with. What's the other one? Everyone loved the Jacob. Yeah. I love soccer.

[Hannah Burner]

I loved it. Even though it was ultimately about just what men will do for real estate.

[Grace]

My TV and movie taste. I like it.

[Paige DeSorbo]

Girly.

[Grace]

Yes. Pretty.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah. Well, I'm happy that you even did the substance.

[Grace]

Like, I know everyone wanted to watch it, and I was like, I feel like it is.

[Hannah Burner]

Yes.

[Grace]

I do love Demi Moore. I haven't seen. I feel like I haven't, like, watched Demi Moore in, like, a lot of movies.

[Hannah Burner]

The. The interesting thing is, like, she's beautiful in it.

[Grace]

Gorgeous.

[Hannah Burner]

And I guess some of the, like, lessons from the movie was first, like, it could always be worse. Which I hate that to be like, oh, yeah, your life sucks. Well, it could be worse. It never made me feel better. Then the concept of, like, would you rather look weird but not old?

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

Or look just old?

[Grace]

Well, I think it's, like, the ultimate message, which I don't. I feel like it came across for women because we just, like, always experience this. But, like, truly, when you hit a certain age or a certain part of your life, like, you really are a second thought as, like, a woman.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah. Like, people will say you. You're, like, invisible. Like, you don't get noticed. Which sounds so peaceful.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

Truly, every time you walk outside, you're not, like, trying to, like, not get Kidnapped.

[Grace]

I can't wait. I feel like I'm always. People are always gonna try and kidnap me for the first time.

[Hannah Burner]

Even though you've never been kidnapped once.

[Grace]

Okay, but I've had some close calls.

[Paige DeSorbo]

I've had some close calls.

[Hannah Burner]

No, but just like you said earlier about how you love that you don't know what the pop culture is right now. Sometimes there's a peacefulness of getting older where you're like, I don't need to be in this rat race you guys are in of comparing and popularity and whatever. There's a beautifulness.

[Grace]

But Demi Moore in the movie was sad about it. She is just thought of differently, which I get that because I feel the same way. Even being in our early 30s, like, once you get married or once you have a baby, like, people think of you differently.

[Hannah Burner]

No, I'm literally so scared. Once you start getting pregnant and stuff, it's like, then you are this. You're just like this.

[Grace]

You're supposed to, like, have it all together. You're supposed to be more mature and.

[Hannah Burner]

Also as performers, like touring and if I want to be in movies or something, like, you're pregnant, right? Like, not to bring back the movie, but it's like, I can't let you in the club. Bitch, you're pregnant. I would fuck the shit out of you. No, are you old and pregnant?

[Grace]

Perfect example. Like, you can't come to the club anymore. You're a mom, you're beautiful.

[Hannah Burner]

But, bitch, you're pregnant.

[Grace]

Yeah, and that's. That's like, it's exact, kind of. Okay, next thing I want to talk about. Did you see this was like. I don't know. Maybe because I'm rewatching Gossip Girl, so I'm like, so in that mindset, did you see Chris Martin and Gwyneth Paltrow's daughter Apple make her debut like such? Blair Waldorf, debutante ball. It looked like a movie.

[Hannah Burner]

So it was a debutante ball, first of all. Second of all, I didn't know that was legal.

[Grace]

A debutante ball.

[Hannah Burner]

I thought we'd moved on to debutante, but I understand there's, like, high society.

[Grace]

Things that are happening with a debutant ball.

[Hannah Burner]

I didn't even know it was a thing.

[Grace]

I'm not quite sure exactly what it is. It's literally telling the world you're a.

[Hannah Burner]

Woman, which not necessary.

[Grace]

So donaire my business.

[Hannah Burner]

I also. Look, none of the boys that were there were also socialites, but no one gave them attention.

[Grace]

That's so crazy. You say that. Didn't See, one of them, it was.

[Hannah Burner]

Like, boys and girls, like, they had dates. But there's something creepy about it. I think it's creepy.

[Grace]

I knew you would say that. But there's something. I like it because there's some. I love a period piece, so there's something like, I'm watching it as fiction.

[Hannah Burner]

See, I see it as, like, these girls that have so much for them, but you're like, she's pretty, and she's ready to get married one day. Girls used to get married off at 16, at 9. Why are we celebrating this culture? Why are we celebrating that?

[Grace]

I just liked watching, looking at their dresses.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah. They could wear dresses whenever they want. It doesn't have to be a debutante ball where the parents are like, look at my daughter, who's had her period for a couple years now and is finally ready to. And has and has her beautiful.

[Grace]

Okay, well, when your daughter comes to me because she really wants to be in the debut.

[Hannah Burner]

Going with Aunt Paige.

[Grace]

You're not.

[Hannah Burner]

She's not going with Aunt Paige. Do not go to Aunt Paige.

[Grace]

Sign her up for the debutant ball.

[Hannah Burner]

Well, she has to be more of an EPO baby to get into Debbie. It's also literally just an EPO baby party.

[Grace]

Yeah. They need a space where they feel safe.

[Hannah Burner]

You know what if that's their space?

[Grace]

They need a space.

[Hannah Burner]

Let them have their space and let.

[Grace]

It be in a castle in Paris. You know, that's where they've chosen to have their space.

[Hannah Burner]

I want to see a Nepo baby, like, Survivor episode. Like, I don't want to see all the Nepo babies.

[Grace]

I'm surprised there's not some type of TV show where it's like, let's round up all the Nepo babies. Let's talk to them, see what they're doing, see what's going on.

[Hannah Burner]

I don't want to see the Nepo babies at a debutante ball that their parents all paid for. I want to see them trying to survive on an island with no food or.

[Grace]

Yeah. I want the drama in the Nepo baby world. What Nepo babies don't like other Nepo babies? What's, like, the hierarchy of Nepo babies? Like, are they, like, you're just, like, a famous doctor's daughter? Like, we all care as Brad Pitt's son. Like, you know, like, I want to know what their drama is.

[Hannah Burner]

But you know what? Nepo babies, I feel a little bad for not to be controversial right now, but with the society of, like, one day celebrities are cool, the next day they're canceled. The next day they're the greatest. The next day they're the worst. Like, as a Nepo baby, like, for example, like Johnny Depp.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

Like, he's the greatest of all time. And Lily Rose is like, the shit. And then, like, he's in this horrible trial and, like, she didn't ask for that, but then she has to deal with the repercussions of that. Yeah. Or like, these old guys who say something stupid, and it's like, you have to be associated with your dad. Who's right.

[Grace]

But think about, like, okay, if your mom was famous and someone was coming at her, you would be like, and now I'll kill you.

[Hannah Burner]

Well, it is kind of like.

[Grace]

Like, you would defend. You would be fine to be in.

[Hannah Burner]

Well, think of, like, Olivia Jade.

[Grace]

Defend my mom.

[Hannah Burner]

Olivia Jade's another example of, like, Nepo baby. It's not her fault.

[Grace]

Right?

[Hannah Burner]

It's not her fault that her mom want. That she was dumb.

[Grace]

I'm obsessed with Olivia Jade and I'm obsessed with Aunt Becky.

[Hannah Burner]

Who's Aunt Becky?

[Grace]

Olivia Jade's mom.

[Hannah Burner]

Oh. I didn't really watch Full House.

[Grace]

What did you do on Friday nights when it was tgif? How old were you? Middle school. It was like Boy Meets World. Full House.

[Hannah Burner]

I was going and renting, like, a movie from, like, a local.

[Grace]

Like Blockbuster.

[Hannah Burner]

No, we didn't have Blockbuster in Park Slope. We had, like, what was the.

[Grace]

When you were younger, what was the. When you would go to the. Rent a movie.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah.

[Grace]

You know, you'd go through a phase where you'd rent the same movie every single time. What was, like, yours?

[Hannah Burner]

Oh, my God. Good question.

[Grace]

Space Jam. You seem like a Space Jam girl.

[Hannah Burner]

I love Space Jam. We also watched, like, Power Rangers.

[Grace]

I, like, went through Power Rangers.

[Hannah Burner]

I did like, Spice Girls. Power Rangers. Like. Yeah, that was cool.

[Grace]

Yeah, the pink one.

[Hannah Burner]

I'm kind of blanking. I realized I, like, blacked out my childhood in that moment. I have some documentary updates. Are you okay? Because they're really intense.

[Grace]

No, I'm okay. Are you going to start with the JonBenet Ramsay one?

[Hannah Burner]

I wasn't going to, but let's do it.

[Grace]

Okay. I want you to, because I don't want to watch it.

[Hannah Burner]

Okay. Yeah, no, perfect. You don't have to.

[Grace]

Okay, great.

[Hannah Burner]

Okay. So the crazy thing about JonBenet Ramsey is that there's not actually a good documentary out about her recently. So I was very excited when this came out. What we're learning in this society is everything we watch all the media we consume is biased, and it's by someone who's trying to get you to think a type of way. So we have to be smart when we're being fed information.

[Grace]

We have to ask questions.

[Hannah Burner]

We have to ask questions. So the documentary, the dad was in it the whole time, talking, Talking.

[Grace]

And is he still married to the mom?

[Hannah Burner]

She's dead. Oh. Of cancer.

[Grace]

Oh. Recently?

[Hannah Burner]

Not recently.

[Grace]

Okay.

[Hannah Burner]

But they basically didn't bring up that it was ever the brother. Like, it wasn't even brought up that it was the brother. And they leaned into. It was an intruder. And as someone who doesn't know the case that much, I was like, okay, obviously it's an intruder. And they just made it sound like the police the whole time were like, it's the parents. Because they, like, you know when police decide something and then they don't want to look stupid. But then this guy kept. Like, the DNA wasn't matching anyone.

[Grace]

Okay.

[Hannah Burner]

To the point that I was like, can we recheck the DNA?

[Grace]

Yeah. Why aren't they doing that?

[Hannah Burner]

They kept finding people being like, it's this person. It's that person. There was foreign semen of a man, which is why I'm confused.

[Grace]

Sorry. I don't mean to laugh, because it's not funny, but the phrase foreign semen is not.

[Hannah Burner]

No. Whose foreign semen is it? And I feel like in DNA days, I'm like, let's figure it out.

[Grace]

Also, it's not like this happened in the 70s. Like.

[Hannah Burner]

No, I know.

[Grace]

They could run the DNA. They could run it then. Like, I don't get it.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah. But they basically, like, so many people they've thrown in, and the DNA doesn't match to the point that I'm like, I've seen enough documentaries. Someone's DNA needs to fucking match. And then they. There were, like, ropes, and there's. There's so many things that DNA could have been on. And I'm like, what's going on? It feels like someone's being covered for something. I don't know. But anyway, you watch it and you're like, okay, it was definitely an intruder. And they just don't know who the intruder was. And then there's all these crazy guys that call in and go, it was me. Because they're like these pedophiles that are obsessed with JonBenet. Like, they have shrines of her and stuff because she's. It's like a thing. And people are like, you're a pedophile, but you didn't murder JonBenet Ramsey. So don't try to like, get famous off it.

[Grace]

Oh, my God, that's disgusting.

[Hannah Burner]

It's disgusting. So I watch it and I'm like, okay, it was an intruder. They never found it. Like, definitely an intruder. Then of course, I'm on TikTok.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

And they were like, it had to be the brother. And they covered it up.

[Grace]

The only thing that I saw that, like, is how she had eaten right before she went to bed.

[Hannah Burner]

The pineapple.

[Grace]

Yeah. Which also, like, what a weird.

[Hannah Burner]

Pineapple and milk.

[Grace]

What a weird story.

[Hannah Burner]

Which. That's where the law was broken. No one's done.

[Grace]

I was calling the police after that. The police should have been immediately called.

[Hannah Burner]

Who in there? Right. Have some ice cream like a normal human.

[Grace]

That's crazy. Here's a very controversial but like, the only thing I can think of because obviously, like, this been so many years and like, she's dead. If you found out that one of your children killed the other child, aren't you covering it up for them, though?

[Hannah Burner]

Yes, but also, like, whatever happened to just being like a horrible accident took.

[Grace]

Place and like, well, maybe they obviously knew it wasn't a horrible accident. Like, if my son kills my daughter. Oh my God. You don't even like, say that I'm. I'm gonna cover for him. Like, I'm gonna try and lose my second child. I. And that may be the wrong answer, but, like, instinctually, that's just like where I. What I.

[Hannah Burner]

The reason the brother kind of makes sense is because if you're gonna break into a house, you're not gonna sit down with a pad of paper that they pulled from the house and write a three page letter.

[Grace]

No, you're also not getting the fuck.

[Hannah Burner]

Out of the house.

[Grace]

Yeah, you're also not stay. Yeah, you're not staying that long.

[Hannah Burner]

It was found in her, like, the mom's pad. Like, he took a page out of the mom's pad. The person who wrote, whoever it is, they did say that this also could be totally wrong because this was a TikTok. But they said that, like, she'd been at the hospital multiple times because, like, Burke was aggressive and, like, had some outbursts. And if that's true, then it's like, yeah, but I don't know if that's true.

[Grace]

No, I don't think we'll ever know.

[Hannah Burner]

I don't think we'll ever know. But Burke did not want to be involved in the documentary and they like, didn't bring the Burke stuff up once in the documentary, which I.

[Grace]

Why did he keep Doing this, though. Because if it wasn't the sun, like, okay, if they're like, say it was the son and the parents are covering for them, why do they keep doing this? Like, we don't. I don't need a documentary in another 10 years about this. Like, let her write. Like, I'm so done with it.

[Hannah Burner]

I think it's because unsolved murders are. Make money, people are interested.

[Grace]

Run the DNA.

[Hannah Burner]

That's what I said. Run the DNA. Actually, the job I want.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

I mean, the Innocence Project is, like, an amazing organization, but I want to be that bitch that's on the computer that is like, give me every case before 1970 or 80 or whatever. I'm DNA in that shit.

[Grace]

Imagine.

[Hannah Burner]

Gotcha, bitch.

[Grace]

60S.

[Paige DeSorbo]

Yeah.

[Grace]

Catch me.

[Hannah Burner]

They didn't have text messaging. You literally would. Could do anything.

[Grace]

You could do anything.

[Hannah Burner]

You could go anywhere. If you got caught murdering in the 60s.

[Grace]

You're so stupid.

[Hannah Burner]

You're a fucking loser. You're a fucking loser. But I want to be that bitch that's like.

[Grace]

Like, you could change your name and no one would check. Could check it.

[Hannah Burner]

No, no, no.

[Grace]

Like, you could put yourself in the witness protection program and it not be a thing.

[Hannah Burner]

You could literally get in trouble in one state and go to another state and they wouldn't know that you were in trouble. Another state that. No, it was insane when. Nowadays you can't. You Google one thing.

[Grace]

You could move states, start a new life, and no one would know. And that sounds so nice.

[Hannah Burner]

Rent a book on how to murder someone. Read it, send it back, murder someone. And they'll be like, we have no idea.

[Grace]

And return the book. And no one would even know because.

[Hannah Burner]

You put a different name.

[Grace]

No one would know.

[Hannah Burner]

I want to be that bitch that, like, some murderer is, like, chilling in his house because he murdered someone in the 60s. And I want to be like, knock, knock, bitch. Yeah.

[Grace]

We ran the prince.

[Hannah Burner]

Got you. We ran the prince. I don't. I want all those people gone. Sorry. I'm a policeman. I'm a policeman today. Okay. Another documentary of villains. Are you aware of Kundalini Yoga?

[Grace]

You've only because of you.

[Hannah Burner]

Can you spell it?

[Grace]

No. You've talked about this.

[Hannah Burner]

Doctor, I finished Breath of Fire on Max. People have to watch it, but it's basically. It's crazy and watch it.

[Grace]

Okay.

[Hannah Burner]

The next one is the most upsetting one, okay? It's called. What is it called? It's called the Shopping Conspiracy.

[Grace]

Wait, this is the one on Netflix.

[Hannah Burner]

It might ruin your life if you watch it.

[Grace]

No, that's why I haven't watched it, because people are like, I'm actually disgusted.

[Hannah Burner]

I'm like, I actually don't know how we move forward.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

So basically in the 30s, a bunch of businessmen came together and they were like, like, we're making light bulbs and it takes 2500 hours.

[Grace]

I hate the man. Hey, we're making light bulbs now. You know, there was some wife being like, why don't you do your chores instead of playing with your friends? Some made up thing. You guys keep talking electricity.

[Hannah Burner]

Yeah, sure.

[Grace]

Why don't you clean the pig pen and shut up?

[Hannah Burner]

No. You're gonna be so mad at this. They go, okay, it takes 2500 hours until this light, like doesn't work anymore. That's not good for business. Let's after a thousand hours, make sure that this light breaks down.

[Grace]

That's how I feel about my iPhone.

[Hannah Burner]

So that's so fucked up. Right? That's now the business model for businesses. So Apple, all these people make sure that one, it breaks down after a certain amount of time. Two, it's not fixable. Or if it is fixable, it's like impossible for us to like open it and do it. So we're.

[Grace]

All the women do is lie. All they do is just lie.

[Hannah Burner]

We're all getting tricked left and right. And basically the biggest problem is, okay, so you want us to keep consuming and keep buying because products are gonna break. There's no end of life cycle for these things. So we're producing more items, more fashion, more electronics than at like ever before. Like, they're talking about like sheen and like, the amount of clothes that they're making is insane. And because it's cheap, you don't care that after a couple washes it breaks. Because you're like, it cost me $4. It actually was worth the wear.

[Grace]

Yep.

[Hannah Burner]

We don't have anywhere to put this stuff. And let's be honest, we don't know what recycling is.

[Grace]

I don't believe that they're doing the recycling either. I don't trust them.

[Hannah Burner]

So they're not. Brands will just say, like, this is recyclable.

[Grace]

Yeah.

[Hannah Burner]

When they're not. And then things, they basically said, stuff has to be either put into the air, the ground, or the water.

[Grace]

Here's the thing. Specifically, living in New York City, like every couple months or whatever, I'll get an email from my building being like, just a reminder, like, we're recycle, we recycle and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like, when you see Trash on the street. It's all just black bags of trash. So, like, how. Where is the recycling?

[Hannah Burner]

This is the thing. Plastic. A lot of it is not even recyclable. So where does. Where are the iPhones, the MacBooks, every. Where are these things going? It's going to other countries and they're just pouring it. They're basically like, Ghana is just full of clothes, like. Cause they're just pouring clothes in their beaches. Thailand is full of laptops and people have to go in and try to, like, break them down, but obviously they're getting sick because of, like, the metals and shit.

[Grace]

I have this weird thing where, like, I can't get rid of my old iPhones because I'm like, someone will try and frame me for.

[Hannah Burner]

Oh, yeah, all my laptops and iPhones.

[Grace]

I have, like, all my laptops and iPhones.

[Hannah Burner]

So you're saving the planet. I'm holding space for you to save the planet.

[Grace]

But I'm an experimentalist.

[Hannah Burner]

All these people are making things to break, but then not coming up with, like a cycle for. They just make it and they sell it and they're like, I'm rid of it. Yeah, but the universe is dying. Like, this stuff is going into the ocean, the air or the ground. It's not sustainable at the rate we're making products.

[Grace]

Right.

[Hannah Burner]

And we're fucked.

[Grace]

What a happy note to end the pod on.

[Hannah Burner]

What an appropriate note to end the pot on. I do have to say, wait, I.

[Grace]

Kind of do wanna watch that one though.

[Hannah Burner]

I think you should.

[Grace]

Yeah, I'm going to.

[Hannah Burner]

It does make you wanna, like, save the world, but it's definitely not gonna be through plastic straws. Like, not.

[Grace]

Right. Like, there's to be a bigger overhaul.

[Hannah Burner]

We need, like, government to have some, like, structure in place so all these huge companies can't keep, like, making so much stuff. Making so much stuff. And even, like, maybe let's make some stuff last a little longer if we're going to be creating product. We are going to Mashantucket, Connecticut this weekend. We're going to Windsor, Ontario. Cleveland. Cleveland. Cleveland, Ohio. We have some tickets left. Check it out on our website. We love you guys so much and thank you for giggling with us.