Men vs. Women in Breakups feat. Ricky Liorti

Summary

Girls Gotta Eat – “Men vs. Women in Breakups” feat. Ricky Liorti

Release Date: March 10, 2025
Hosts: Ashley Hesseltine (Ashley), Rayna Greenberg (Raina)
Guest: Ricky Liorti
Theme: Comedic deep dive into relationships, breakups, and how men and women process heartbreak, featuring author/podcaster Ricky Liorti.

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Episode Overview

In this engaging and laughter-packed episode, Ashley and Raina welcome Toronto-based author and podcast host Ricky Liorti. Together, they explore how men and women navigate breakups, the differing support systems and healing processes for each gender, and the increasing visibility of men's vulnerability. Ricky shares his journey through a difficult breakup, the poetry book it inspired, and why he's pathologically optimistic about finding his "perfect person." The trio also delves into relationship standards, the myth of the “perfect partner,” why it's okay to be single in your 30s and beyond, and the importance of communication and emotional honesty.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

Sick Girlfriend Solidarity (+ Ashley and Raina’s Catch Up)

• [00:36–03:54] Raina describes her harrowing week with the flu, being cared for by her fiancé, and the comedic partnership of suffering and support in their household.
  • Notable: “No good deed goes unpunished. He got sick on a Sunday, and I took care of him... then I got it two days later.” – Raina [01:45]
• Both hosts express shock at how brutal the flu was this season, leading to new respect for the flu shot and Tamiflu.
  • “I've never been a flu shot girly, but I am now.” – Raina [04:46]

Field Report: Dating App Adventures

• [10:20–15:55] Ashley describes rejoining dating apps, tries “Field” for kinkier, less ‘polite’ chats, and is bombarded with messages (“I have 33 likes, 109 messages in 36 hours!”). [12:27]
  • Notable: “No one's trying to be wholesome on Field… at least they’re a little spicier than the people on other ones.” – Raina [11:21]
• The pair riff on app honesty, height lies, sexy opening lines, and how the platform's looseness fosters more authentic connections—or at least, outrageous sexting:
  • “I'm a Gemini. I’m 5’2 and people think I’m funny. That’s my profile.” – Ashley [13:47]
• They reflect on the pressure of dating with strict physical/interest criteria and the flexibility modern apps offer.

First Date Faux Pas (Low Couches and Trash Kinks)

• [15:55–20:00] Dating horror: Ashley laments low-couch seating on first dates (“my fupa is just pouring out of my pants” [16:00]), awkward physical boundaries, and the perils of picnic or ‘volunteer’ (trash pickup) dates chosen by men.
  • “Trash on a first date is not hitting.” – Raina [19:14]
• The hosts highlight how activity choice on dates can set unwanted intimacy levels and boundary blurring far too early.

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Interview: Ricky Liorti on Relationships, Breakups, and Love

TikTok Fame & The Wedding Date Debacle

• [29:00–33:38] Ricky recounts his viral TikTok asking for a date to a friend’s wedding (“Did I think it was gonna go viral?... You don’t think it’s gonna go mega viral. It did.” – Ricky [30:03])
• Result: the bride asked him not to bring a random plus-one; the hosts and Ricky discuss wedding etiquette, the sting of attending solo, and the sometimes awkward expectations for guests in adulthood.

On Being "Too Much" – Lifestyle, Standards, and Compatibility

• [38:01–46:37] Ricky lays out his relationship history: serial long-term dater, now single, with a life “99% full.” He is unwilling to compromise his current lifestyle of travel, fitness, and social adventure for just anyone.
  • “Am I going to risk my 99 for someone that might not make me 100? No. But when I meet my one…I’m willing to risk it.” – Ricky [46:03]
• Hosts riff on the importance of finding a partner who truly fits—not just tags along. The group agrees: Intertwined hobbies and lifestyle alignment are essential (“If my ideal Sunday sounds like hell to you, there’s no chance of working right.” – Ricky [43:20]).
• Ashley and Raina challenge the double standard where men can have energetic, busy lifestyles, but women are sometimes penalized for being ‘too busy’ or ‘hard to pin down.’
  • “If I’m too much for you, that’s fine. Go get less.” – Ricky [61:18]

Relationship Lessons from Heartbreak & Ricky’s Book

• [62:03–69:26] Ricky opens up about his book “Heartbreak Love,” inspired by a long-distance breakup:
  • “The more heartbroken you are and the more you’re hurting, it just means the more you can love. It’s tough to remember, especially on your dark days.” – Ricky [62:14]
• Confesses to self-doubt and insecurity during long-term singleness. Expresses gratitude for heartbreak as a reminder of his capacity for love.
• The book is not a linear narrative but a ‘companion’ for any stage of the love cycle, including journaling space for readers to process their own experiences.

Men vs. Women in Breakups

• [75:44–80:06]
  • Ricky observes:
    • Women’s pain is immediate post-breakup (“short-term pain and then move on”), but once over, it’s really over.
    • Men distract themselves—drink, party, ‘fuck it out,’ but hit emotional pain months later.
  • “If more men supported their friends like women supported themselves, we'd have less broken men. And broken men just hurt women.” – Ricky [78:52]
• The conversation turns to men’s emotional reticence; Ricky calls out toxic masculinity:
  • “Having a conversation with your partner saying, ‘Hey, I’m not okay’—that’s tough… Let’s open up… so we don’t hurt the next person just because we’re not whole.” – Ricky [71:24–80:13]

Reframing Singleness

• [64:46–66:33]
  • “Society tells us there’s something wrong with us once we hit 30 and we’re single... Respectfully, nothing. I just haven’t met my person yet.” – Ricky [64:46]
  • The hosts reinforce: long-term relationships aren’t proof of emotional health; sometimes single people have done more work than those coupled up.

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• “No good deed goes unpunished. He got sick on a Sunday, and I took care of him... then I got it two days later.” – Raina [01:45]
• “No one's trying to be wholesome on Field... at least they're a little spicier than the people on the other ones.” – Raina [11:21]
• “If my ideal Sunday sounds like hell to you, there's no chance of this working.” – Ricky [43:20]
• “Am I going to risk my 99 for someone that might not make me 100? No. But when I meet my one, … I'm willing to risk it.” – Ricky [46:03]
• “If I'm too much for you, that's fine. Go get less.” – Ricky [61:18]
• “The more heartbroken you are and the more you're hurting, it just means the more you can love. It's tough to remember, though, especially on your dark days.” – Ricky [62:14]
• “Society tells us there’s something wrong with us once we hit 30 and we’re single... Respectfully, nothing. I just haven’t met my person yet.” – Ricky [64:46]
• “If more men supported their friends like women supported themselves, we’d have less broken men. And broken men just hurt women.” – Ricky [78:52]

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Key Segments & Timestamps

• 00:36–06:07 – Raina’s illness story and mutual caretaking in relationships
• 10:20–15:55 – Ashley’s Field dating app stories
• 15:55–20:00 – First-date activity disasters
• 29:00–33:38 – Ricky’s viral wedding date TikTok and wedding guest etiquette
• 38:01–50:43 – Relationship standards, lifestyle compatibility, and “having a full life”
• 62:03–73:36 – Heartbreak, journaling, and Ricky’s book backstory
• 75:44–80:13 – Emotional support (or lack thereof) in men’s breakups; why it harms women too

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Hosts’ and Guest’s Advice & Takeaways

• Know yourself before seeking someone else—fill your life with hobbies, friends, and meaning.
• Don't settle for “great” when you're looking for “right”; seeking perfection is reasonable if it means perfect for your values and lifestyle.
• Vulnerability and clear communication, not repression, are keys to healthy love—for men and women.
• Men need cultural permission to process pain openly and to be supported by other men, not just romantic partners.
• Being single in your 30s (or later) is not a failure—reject outdated societal narratives.
• The best relationships happen when both parties maintain their interests but choose to authentically merge their lives.

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Closing

Ashley, Raina, and Ricky end on a high note, affirming the value of open-hearted relationships and the courage it takes to pursue authentic connection. Ricky promises to keep being “too much”—for the right person.

Where to Find Ricky:
@yourpalrick on all socials | “Heartbreak Love” (book) | The Pals Podcast

Find the Hosts:
Girls Gotta Eat Podcast – @girlsgottaeatpodcast | @ashhess (Ashley) | @raina.greenberg (Raina)

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Transcript

[Rick Liordi]

If more men supported their friends like women supported themselves, you know, maybe we'd have less broken men. And broken men just hurt women.

[Ashley Hess]

This podcast is a Dear Media production.

[Chester]

Hi, guys.

[Raina Greenberg]

Hi, guys.

[Ashley Hess]

Oh, my God.

[Chester]

Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat.

[Raina Greenberg]

Welcome back. I'm back from the dead. Barely.

[Chester]

You're really doing it. You've been sick for. Oh, my God. The longest I've ever known about.

[Raina Greenberg]

No, this flu tried to kill me. I is so. It's been so awful.

[Chester]

Every day, when I ask you how you are, I assume you're going to tell me a little bit better. And every day, it just ramped up.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah, every fucking day. It ramped up for, like, seven days. Like, every day you're like, tomorrow, I've got to be better. And then your body's like, tomorrow you'll probably want to go to the error.

[Chester]

Do you remember the beginning of this? I've seen you, like, one time, like, two weeks.

[Raina Greenberg]

I know.

[Chester]

Do you remember at the beginning of this? Because Sparkle Eyes was also sick, and you were like, we're gonna sleep in different bedrooms for the night. Like, that's how you thought you'd fix this.

[Raina Greenberg]

So.

[Ashley Hess]

Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

So my fucking roommate got me sick. This is what I get for deciding to live with a man.

[Chester]

Yes. Okay. So you said this thing to me, and you said something like, I don't know what to do about this. And I was like, she's upset. And so I can't make jokes about, like, this is what happens when you let a man into your house. Like, ask him to move out. Because you were like, I don't know what to do. And I was like. I typed out, ask him to leave and move out.

[Raina Greenberg]

No good deed goes unpunished. He got sick on a Sunday, and I took care of him. He was just, like, so fucked up. And then, like, I got it two days later. So I had, like, two days of, like, taking care of him, and I'm happy to do it. And I was just like, no, no, no. Don't let it happen to me, you know? And Tuesday we were recording, it, like, started to settle in. I feel like it's like this dark monster. Like, you're looking behind your shoulder like, don't do it. Don't. Don't get me. Don't get me. I'm taking all my symbiotica. I'm doing all my shit. And then it got me. And it lasted, like, full seven days. Like, I'm still not really out of it. And, I mean, we just, like, took care of Each other. I could get emotional talking about it. Like, he's so wonderful. Like he took care of me. Like I had a day where I could not get out of bed. I couldn't open my eyes, my head hurts so bad. He had a day at 103 fever. Like we just were kind of going back and forth between who would feel a little bit better to like take care of the other one, who would walk a zool more, who would like cook or order food. I mean it was. We were in it.

[Chester]

He can stay.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah, I mean he's. And I knew he would. He's taken care of me before when I had some like a health issue and you know, even when I was like had that random thing in Tampa and I puked at Drake. Like I know he is like that. He's so caring, he's so loving. He's like so kind and like nurturing and you know, I'm in that mode for him as well. But like we were, we felt like the world was ending.

[Chester]

I really, while you were still working, I was like, can this bitch take a day off? I just, she's sick and I would like to just. I'd like to also be off. And you were like, let's get back to these emails. Let's approve this thing. And I was like, we're different. Cause when I'm sick, I am in the bed asleep. And you're still working a little bit.

[Raina Greenberg]

But that's the craziest thing about the flu. You guys hot take like it gets worse every day. Like your days 3 and 4 are. Should be your worst. Mine were like 5 and 6 were even worse somehow. So like those first couple days I was still. I was fucked up, but I was like still working. And then it was like through the weekend. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like I'm in the depths of hell. Like I have never, I've never been this sick. I mean, not Covid, not when I was a kid. I mean I haven't had the flu flu in like 10 years. 12, 12 years, maybe 15 years. This is like the real real deal. Fucking influenza.

[Chester]

B. B for baddie bae, flu.

[Raina Greenberg]

B for bad bitch. No, B for bury me alive. Because that would have been better.

[Chester]

Well, they're saying this is the worst flu season in 15 years. And I have never had the flu and I've never gotten the flu vaccine. And shout out to my sister in law the best thing she's ever done for me. Well, she gave me my nephew. But like other than that, she forced Me, when I was meeting him to get. To get the flu, I got the triple vaccine. I got the whooping cough and the flu. Recently, she made me get all three of them. Part of me was like, maybe I'll just lie and not get it. But then I was like, I could never do that.

[Raina Greenberg]

Oh, that's why you're so cool being around me.

[Chester]

Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

You're like, I'm all set.

[Chester]

I just got the flu vac vaccine.

[Raina Greenberg]

Vaccine.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

I mean, I have a few tips. That is one of them.

[Chester]

Listen, the flu vaccine.

[Raina Greenberg]

I've never been a flu shot girly, but I am now. You get tested for the flu now? I didn't know this. Like, it's like a combo test. Testa picked me up some. It has Covid flu A, flu B.

[Chester]

Oh, you just get the whole thing.

[Raina Greenberg]

Hep C. No, I'm getting.

[Chester]

Herpes A.

[Raina Greenberg]

Chlamydia D. And so I took it and I was kind of too far gone at that point to get Tamiflu. So I recommend, if you feel like you're starting to get it, take that test. And then you can do telehealth. I did Teladoc and get them to give you this Tamiflu. People know about Tamiflu, but you're only really supposed to take it within the first 48 hours. That's the only way it really works. It kind of helps stop things from multiplying, and it can lessen your symptoms and the length of time you're sick. It was too late for me. They called it in for me anyway, but they were like, don't even worry about taking it. I got a cough, prescription medicine. But she was like, you can take it if you want, but it's really only that early onset. So, like, in retrospect, I wish I would have taken it and not have moved in with my fiance, but, you know, here we are. No, I am so grateful for him. When you're sick like that. Like, the only person prior to being with him I would have wanted to be around was my mom. I mean, you're so helpless. Like, there was just times where I was like, I can't get out of bed.

[Chester]

That's crazy.

[Raina Greenberg]

You know? And like, for him too. I mean, that day he had 103 fever. I made him take his temperature every hour till it went down. I was like, we're gonna have to go to the fucking hospital.

[Chester]

I don't wanna be taken care of at all. But, like, my mom didn't really take care of me like that growing up. It would be like, unfamiliar to me to have, like a partner take care of me. Cause I'm just like, I don't want it get away from me.

[Raina Greenberg]

You wouldn't like, settle into that helplessness. Cause I'll get in it.

[Chester]

Yeah. I mean, you know, all the times I get surgery, I don't want anybody near me.

[Raina Greenberg]

Right.

[Chester]

I can barely walk and I'm like. I'm all sad. I don't want anybody here. But mostly it's cause I'm like, so miserable, and I don't want anybody, like, around me. Also, like, I. I haven't lived with like a partner in a long time. So who knows what Raina at this age is even like with a partner.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, the.

[Raina Greenberg]

The dog is tough. Cause you gotta take the dog out.

[Chester]

Yeah, that would be really. I just let it free.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

We actually just got rid of him.

[Chester]

We just opened the door and hope.

[Raina Greenberg]

He'S back somewhere in Santa Monica.

[Ashley Hess]

That was.

[Chester]

Bring him today.

[Raina Greenberg]

Bring him back next week. I'll be better to take care of him.

[Chester]

You don't know where he is. That's why he's not here today. No, it's raining. That's why.

[Raina Greenberg]

I know. No. We watch so much tv. So I will be reporting on the snack this Thursday. So everything. I've finished netfl.

[Chester]

So much stuff happened this week. I'm so excited. I know a snack last week and like, Meghan Markle.

[Raina Greenberg]

It's Meghan Sussex now.

[Ashley Hess]

It's so funny you call me Megan.

[Raina Greenberg]

Marvel because you know I'm Sussex now, right?

[Chester]

Oh. Oh, Mag, you're so crazy.

[Raina Greenberg]

You know, I'm Sussex now. I cannot get out of my head.

[Chester]

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[Raina Greenberg]

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[Chester]

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[Ashley Hess]

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[Raina Greenberg]

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[Chester]

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[Raina Greenberg]

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[Chester]

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[Rick Liordi]

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[Chester]

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[Raina Greenberg]

The instructions too. If you missed any of that will be on our Instagram at Vibes only. Like Raina said. You think I should do a story for the app now with this voice? If someone is a flu kink.

[Chester]

Yeah, like a sick. I hope like when you're starting to.

[Raina Greenberg]

Come, you just start coughing.

[Chester]

The flemmy cough. You got to get that. Don't spit for a while.

[Raina Greenberg]

I have not had sex in so long.

[Chester]

I'm wondering if you guys.

[Raina Greenberg]

I have not ridden my fiance or the peloton in so long. I miss them both so much.

[Chester]

I actually thought about asking you if you guys been having sex. And then I was like, now's not the time, Raina.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah, there's no chance. Like, I. I really don't have my full energy back by any stretch. Like, he's pretty much full recovery and I'm like, you, you just left me. You've left me here. You're back at work. I don't know, like, I feel like fatigued.

[Chester]

You can't Even lay there and take it, like, I can't.

[Raina Greenberg]

I feel like I would start coughing in his face.

[Chester]

I showed a lot of restraint not asking you. I was like, I'll respect their privacy. At the time. Yeah, they've been going through it. I'm not gonna be like, also, are you having sex? You guys don't seem like you're fucking. Are you?

[Raina Greenberg]

No, not even close.

[Chester]

Okay. So speaking of fucking, I have, like, a bunch of stuff to tell you.

[Raina Greenberg]

Okay.

[Chester]

Tessa's already laughing. So I had promised myself that I was gonna, like, go on dating apps. And I was like, all. I just complained about being single. So I downloaded a dating app. I just wasn't, like, having the best time on it. I just. The conversations are a little polite. And one of our girlfriends. This is not an ad. One of our girlf has been using Field, and we had the founder Field on our show previously. And she is wonderful. And it started off as an app essentially to express your kinks, your desires, alternative relationships like ethical non monogamy, or if you're looking for a third, things like that. But our friend has been using it and she's like, I'm just meeting great people. She's like, I'm just having fun, light conversations with people. And so I was like, all right, let me check this out. So I made a profile. You can use a fake name. A lot of people use fake names. I use my fake name that I use for Uber. I chose three photos and I was like, this is like, so much less serious. People are on here to, like, be sexy. So I did my. My lead photos, me and Chaps at our Denver show. Perfect. So just like some sexy photos. And then I was like, let me just.

[Raina Greenberg]

No one's trying to be wholesome on Field.

[Chester]

Well, I was also reading people's profiles.

[Raina Greenberg]

And so maybe they are so.

[Ashley Hess]

I don't know.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah. No offense.

[Chester]

Some are. Some profiles are like, okay. Our friend said that some guy messaged her and was like, I'm going to break every chair in the world so you have to sit on my face. And I was like, okay. So there are like. Some of this is very heavily sexual.

[Raina Greenberg]

When I say the wholesome thing, I say it as a compliment. Like, I just. It's like less of that politeness. Like, you said yes.

[Chester]

Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

Like, these people aren't vanilla. They just aren't or they wouldn't be on this app.

[Chester]

Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

They don't have to be top level, kink, non monogamy, all of that. But at least they're a Little spicier than the people on the other ones.

[Chester]

Well, it's interesting. I've seen all the same people on both apps, and I'm really enjoying seeing their profiles on field because they're just, like, lighter, and you don't list your height. You don't list your occupation. And I wrote a short profile. My profile is really. It's five sentences. It's just like, I'm on here.

[Raina Greenberg]

Let's fuck.

[Chester]

No, mine says, like, I'm looking for life. Mine says, I'm looking for a partner, but I'm happy to have fun, see where things take eyes. I said something like, you know, I'm not looking to be a third in your couple, but whatever. I looked at light. So I just started, like, messaging. Guys, I'm on here for five minutes. Actually, I downloaded this app 36 hours ago.

[Raina Greenberg]

Okay.

[Chester]

I have 12, 33 likes. What? 109 messages, 36 hours.

[Raina Greenberg]

Should I get on this?

[Chester]

Yes. You're not fucking at home. Get on this app.

[Raina Greenberg]

No, I'm kidding.

[Chester]

And the message.

[Raina Greenberg]

Should we get on this?

[Chester]

Yeah. You guys looking for a third? And everybody is so sexy. You can see how far away they are from you. The conversations I'm having on here are, like, so much more fun. So I chatted with this guy last night, and my opening line to him was, you have a sexy smile.

[Raina Greenberg]

Perfect.

[Chester]

I just wouldn't say that to people on other dating apps.

[Raina Greenberg]

You say it to them in person, though. So that's your vibe.

[Chester]

Yeah, it's my vibe. But I don't know. Other dating apps feel more like, play. Like, how's your day going? Hey, Reina, how are you today? And I'm just like. So I said, you a sexy smile. I said, you a sexy smile. And he wrote back, I'm not a big fan of country music, but you could convert me in those chaps. And off to the races we went. And we had, like, a nice conversation, and I told you so. Height is not on here. I put my height on it. I put my height in the profile. I just said I was, like, 5:2, which is a lie. But not.

[Raina Greenberg]

Raina lied about her height. Why are you just a dude? Not you adding 2 inches like every man on the dating apps. Oh, my God.

[Chester]

I said, I'm a Gemini. I'm five two. And people think I'm funny. That's my profile. So I just, like, really enjoyed it. It's, like, lighter.

[Raina Greenberg]

I'm sorry. I'm not gonna get over this that quickly. I'm dead. What if someone Called you out. I'm sorry, did you say you were? Cause you're giving five feet, and, I don't know.

[Chester]

I show up in heels. I will be 5:2, though. No man is showing up too much taller.

[Raina Greenberg]

Exactly.

[Chester]

Like, I want them to know what height I'm showing up as exactly.

[Raina Greenberg]

So it's not a lie.

[Chester]

Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

I will be 5:2 on our date.

[Chester]

Yes. That. And that's what's important.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah.

[Chester]

And then I'm on my back, so everybody's the same height. I'm having the time of my life. And because people's heights aren't on here. Like, this one guy that I went out with, I'm just like. I probably would have swiped past him because I'm a heightist. And that's stupid, because when you and I got to bars and people approach me, I'm never like, five, nine. Next. Yeah, but when I'm on dating apps, listen, I think I'm cute. I'm an LA6, but I swipe with the energy of a 25. I'm just like, ooh, gross. Next. Short.

[Raina Greenberg]

Probably like, you're back in Pittsburgh.

[Chester]

Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

Swiping like, you're in Pittsburgh in L. A. No offense.

[Chester]

I swipe with the energy of Giselle. It is crazy the way I'm out here judging people. I'm just, like, sick. Ooh, short. Next. But, like, I just probably would have swiped right past this person who's just like, stay tuned until next week. But so far, he's so hot. Yeah, he's really hot.

[Raina Greenberg]

He's not five four.

[Chester]

He said he was five' eleven. Which I'm pretty sure is a lie.

[Raina Greenberg]

Well, you lied to. We Both had a 200.

[Chester]

We started our relationship up on a lie. But okay, I wanna tell you about this thing that happened. Cause I can't remember if we've ever talked about this on the podcast, but so. So we went out to this restaurant last night, which I like going out to in Venice, and there's, like, a big bar, and I assume we'll sit at the bar. So we're an outfit to sit at the bar. Like, you don't wear your standing jeans. You wear your sitting jeans, which is fine. But then he was like, there's actually this, like, speakeasy around the corner from the bar, from the restaurant. Would you, like, wanna go there? And I was like, yeah, that sounds fun. So we, like, went in there, and all the seating are low couches. And I was just like, no one's body is built for that on a first date.

[Raina Greenberg]

Like, this is what you have to wear to that. What we're wearing to record in.

[Chester]

Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

Hate a low couch.

[Chester]

A low couch on a first date. My FAA is just pouring out of my pants.

[Raina Greenberg]

My knees are in my chest.

[Chester]

Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

Like, this is me. I'm like this.

[Chester]

Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

And then try to serve me some food.

[Chester]

You doing the crab walk? I got to show you what I wore too. Like, this is not an outfit that was built for a couch.

[Raina Greenberg]

No, it's Soho House. They're like, would you like to sit on the floor?

[Chester]

Oh, I know, totally.

[Raina Greenberg]

Every seat at so house is 3 inches off the floor.

[Chester]

Just sit under the table. Actually, ma'. Am. So last night I wore these jeans. They're kind of high waisted and then like an open front shirt. So cute. Thank you. So that's not an outfit that's built to sit on the floor. I had a muffin top at my rib cage and it was uncomfortable. And here's the other thing about couches. On a first date, there's no clear boundary between you and the other person. So if you don't wanna be touched by that person, you don't wanna be like angled in towards each other. I just, I want a chair. I wanted him to touch me. So I like enjoyed the date with him. But if it was like somebody else, like, it's a lot of like close familiarity. You just kind of sink into the middle of the couch together. Otherwise you're like on opposite ends of the couch. Yeah.

[Raina Greenberg]

Like, I want our boundaries to be defined on a first date. Like I went on a first date with that guy, that matchmaker. And he was already seated when I got there in like a big round booth. And I was like, where the fuck do I sit? And I sat far away because we're strangers. Like, I kind of sat on the other side.

[Chester]

That's so far, which is so weird.

[Raina Greenberg]

And then we did start to vibe. And then I'm like, do I scooch now? I'm not gonna sit next to you in the booth, the round booth.

[Chester]

And then where do they put their arms? Like, he had his arm like up on the couch and it was sort of like behind me a little bit. And he kept like touching my hair a little bit. I didn't mind it. Like, I liked it, but like, I wanted him to touch me. Another person, I would have been like, can you back up a little?

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chester]

And it' I don't know, it's uncomfortable. A friend of mine once told me she went on a picnic for a.

[Raina Greenberg]

First date, no, on the ground giving Tessa guys. Tessa had a guy ask her to go pick up trash on the beach. And I love a community service effort. First date, let's not pick up trash. It's giving community service. Do you have a dui? Why do you need me to do this with you?

[Chester]

Do you think that's what it is? You think this is like performative helping?

[Raina Greenberg]

I wanna tread lightly. Cause we need people to pick up this fucking trash on the beach. Our beaches are fucked. So more power to him. But first date, you guys have not met a stranger. Was like, hey, you know what I think would be fun? Let's go pick up trash on the beach. And then what did he say? After the rain, it'll be even more trash to pick up. I think he's just a trash kink.

[Chester]

So I've oscillated throughout the years about like first date activities. And I think especially in la, you have a lot of people that are sober that don't drink. Like, even this guy who was with night was like, I don't really drink that much. I'll like drink on a date. But like, I would never like drink at home. Like, I think a lot of people in LA don't really drink, so they're looking for non drinking activities. And I'm fine, of course, to like, I just, I want to like sit across from you and have a coffee. I don't need to like clean up trash. Like a volunteer thing on the beach. I. Some people might like it.

[Raina Greenberg]

I really like any sort of volunteer effort, trash or otherwise on a date. And. But like a first date, asking a woman to go pick up trash, it's not hitting.

[Chester]

Like, what are you gonna wear to pick up the trash?

[Raina Greenberg]

Orange vest. As someone who had to pick up trash? Court mandated.

[Chester]

Like, do you wear a bikini top? What if the trash gets on your stomach and then you get a trash rash?

[Raina Greenberg]

Chester shows up in like a sexy bikini. She's like, I thought we were doing a beach thing. He's like, here's your fluorescent. Here's your high vis vest and your trash pick.

[Chester]

Do you think he would have brought those claws to pick up?

[Ashley Hess]

That's what I'm saying.

[Raina Greenberg]

Tez is dating, like, both of you right now are, I want to say, on fire. You two are on fire. The guy is not so sure. Also, by the way, people probably think I sound so awful. And I do. And I wouldn't be here if I was contagious. I am no longer testing positive. I just have a lingering cough, which I think we can all understand. Plus, Rain said the flu shot, so.

[Chester]

You think people were like, save Raina. She's not safe. That close to. Actually, people get weird about.

[Raina Greenberg]

I mean, I feel like ever since COVID people are like, how could you? And it's just like, I did my time.

[Chester]

You're much more than me. Like, I'm always like, yeah, I'll be around people. I don't care. Yeah, I'm sick. I'll go out. Yeah, you're sick. I'll go out. Like, you're the one that is. Like, I don't want to get people sick.

[Raina Greenberg]

It used to be way more acceptable to be sick and out.

[Chester]

I mean, I was sick.

[Raina Greenberg]

It was admirable.

[Chester]

Do you remember? I was sick for years that one time.

[Raina Greenberg]

It was admirable to be working, performing, doing whatever, fucking hacking up along someone's.

[Chester]

Like, they are strong.

[Raina Greenberg]

And then 2020 happened, and it was like, you're an asshole.

[Chester]

Okay, but do you remember, like, you couldn't sneeze in public. Oh, when I sneeze in public now. Oh, it feels so nice.

[Raina Greenberg]

Okay, I want to hear more about.

[Chester]

I think that's all I have to say about him.

[Raina Greenberg]

Oh, no.

[Chester]

How did.

[Ashley Hess]

Anything else.

[Raina Greenberg]

How did it go?

[Chester]

It was great.

[Raina Greenberg]

We had a lot of fun.

[Ashley Hess]

You said you used the loo, bitch.

[Raina Greenberg]

You can't just tease the audience and me like that.

[Chester]

Yeah, I'll tell you offline.

[Raina Greenberg]

Okay. It ended well.

[Chester]

Yeah, we had a good time. It was.

[Raina Greenberg]

You were the same height, laying down.

[Chester]

Yeah, we were. He was like, are you gonna talk about this? I was like, I would never. Never.

[Raina Greenberg]

Oh, my God.

[Chester]

You should have heard the speech I gave him about privacy. And listen, this is just a person in the world. You guys don't know who this is, so who cares? I only said nice things about him.

[Raina Greenberg]

He's hot. He does have a sexy smile. I will say that you are not lying.

[Chester]

Okay, what else? Do you have anything else to talk about?

[Rick Liordi]

What have I got going on?

[Raina Greenberg]

Do you have anything else to talk about? Yeah. Such a. Such a wild week. Yeah, Fuck it. I'll promote my tour. Haven't done it in a while. You guys take pity on me and buy tickets to my tour. I survived the flu. 2025. I live to tell the tale.

[Chester]

Maybe you'll write some jokes about it.

[Raina Greenberg]

I'm doing one whole hour on the flu. Come watch me drag the flu. So, yeah, if you guys. I'm going on tour on April 4. It is called the Sex Before Marriage tour. I'm starting In Chicago. There's only a few tickets left to my third show in Chicago and then I'll be in Phoenix, Miami, Tampa, Salt Lake City, Pasadena, Portland, Oregon, Washington, D.C. toronto. Toronto is pretty much sold out. Denver, then here in la, Charlotte, Atlanta, San Diego, San Francisco. Raina Greenberg might be at one of those dates early on.

[Chester]

Listen, I was watching our videos this morning from the tour and I got the itch. Maybe we'll go back on tour.

[Raina Greenberg]

Well, yeah. So grab tickets. Ashhest.com Again, a lot of these shows are like almost sold out. So get them now then. I'm doing a couple shows in New York at the end of March. I've posted about that as well. Like link in my bio on Instagram. That's Ash Hess. I promise I won't cough on you.

[Chester]

Maybe.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah, maybe. You never know.

[Chester]

Maybe somebody likes that.

[Raina Greenberg]

If that's your kink. If you have a flu kink. So yeah, let's talk about our partners and then we will get into it.

[Chester]

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[Ashley Hess]

Okay?

[Raina Greenberg]

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[Chester]

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[Raina Greenberg]

Okay, let's get into it.

[Chester]

All right, guys. We are very excited to welcome a special guest today. He is the author of Heartbreak Love. From the dizzying highs of new romance to the gut punch of heartbreak. He captures the full spectrum of love with raw, relatable poetry. He's also not poetry. You hit it.

[Ashley Hess]

You said it with your chest.

[Chester]

Well, it's not every day a man writes a poetry book. And we'll get to it.

[Ashley Hess]

Shel Silverstein over here.

[Chester]

He's also the host of the Pals podcast. Please welcome to the show Ricky Liordi.

[Rick Liordi]

Ladies, thanks for having me. I appreciate you.

[Chester]

Thank you for being here.

[Rick Liordi]

I feel like this is a couple years in the making.

[Ashley Hess]

It really is. It's 2022, August 22nd.

[Chester]

So he's a former celebrity of the show. Would you.

[Ashley Hess]

What were you. Infamous? Infamous mention.

[Rick Liordi]

There we go. Yeah.

[Chester]

Okay. Do you want to talk about how you found him and then what happened? Yeah, I.

[Ashley Hess]

It just came up on my TikTok in 2022 and it was this, like.

[Rick Liordi]

You'Re my target audience.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, yeah, right. I was like, it was this very good looking guy talking about, like, I can't get a date to a wedding. And I was like, fuck all the way off.

[Chester]

I can't get a date to a wedding.

[Ashley Hess]

You can get a date to a wedding. No, I'm kidding. But I kind of went on this rant about, oh, these guys, these poor me hot guys, you know, they can't get a date. And so tell us about that TikTok and what inspired it. And then we want it. We'll play your rebuttal.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah, so I was. I got invited to a wedding, just didn't have a date to go with. Right. Just, I didn't have anybody. And I asked, like, a couple people close to me and they just said no. So I made them. I, hey, don't have a wedding date. Like, anybody want to go to a wedding kind of thing. Like, I made it playfully. Did I think it was gonna go viral? Like, maybe, maybe not. You don't think it's gonna go mega viral? It did. Obviously you guys saw it, which is really funny, but I did it more just out of, like, fun. It's like, cheeky. My content's meant to be cheeky and relatable. It's meant to know people. Like, dating isn't easy whether you're attractive, unattractive, smart, stupid, rich, poor. Like, everybody struggles with dating. So I made that. And I've had a couple other ones similar to that that went mega viral too.

[Ashley Hess]

So did you ever get a wedding date to that wedding?

[Rick Liordi]

No. The bride messaged me saying, hey, I don't appreciate that you are fishing for.

[Chester]

Strangers on the Internet.

[Rick Liordi]

So my buddy messaged me. He's like, yo, do you mind just not bringing a date? I was like, yeah, I completely. So I ended up taking. I ended up taking a random stranger out for dinner, like, two weeks later.

[Chester]

Okay.

[Ashley Hess]

I'm trying to put myself in these shoes. Every bride is different. I'm a bride to be. And I mean, now that I'm starting to understand what wedding costs. I understand what it costs.

[Rick Liordi]

I would pay for it. The booster covers.

[Chester]

Yeah, but no. I was gonna say, like, write me a check.

[Ashley Hess]

Yes, but, yes. Like, it's very funny. A flex from you would have been like, I'll venmo you. What's it. What's the cost per person? Because it's like three, four hundred dollars, like, all in, you know? But it just depends because Lee's wedding, like, day of, she was like, I gave you a plus one. If you find some dude on Bumble, bring him tonight. Like, everybody's so different. So I can see both sides of a bride being like, can you not bring a random to the wedding?

[Chester]

It depends how much money you have.

[Ashley Hess]

How big the wedding is.

[Chester]

How big is the wedding? How old are we? I'm not traveling to a wedding in my 30s without a date. That's. That's silly. That feels. But if somebody's like, I can't afford it.

[Rick Liordi]

You wouldn't travel.

[Chester]

It's not my dream. But if somebody said, I can't afford for you to bring a date, a random stranger you met, then I'd also understand that.

[Rick Liordi]

I think it was just because it was a smaller wedding and they didn't want to make, like a big.

[Ashley Hess]

It was smaller.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah. So they didn't want to make a random stranger, which I completely get. I was like, hey, my bad. Like, right. Like, this is not my day. It's not my day at all. I would hate to fucking put even a mini stain on someone's wedding day for, like, no reason.

[Ashley Hess]

You were friends with the guy or I am dead.

[Chester]

That bride got involved that TikTok.

[Rick Liordi]

Everybody saw it. Everybody saw it.

[Ashley Hess]

The conversation between the two of them, and she's like, you gotta talk to him.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah. Like, so it was. It was. But wait, so you wouldn't travel to a wedding alone.

[Chester]

So let Me qualify that? Of course I wouldn't. I have, but it's not my dream. I think that, like, if you have a destination wedding and you invite adults, it's nice to invite an adult with a date. And if I've gone to weddings by myself, where I've traveled and I've spent a lot of money to travel, and then if I don't know a lot of people. The weekend before I met her, I went to Boston for this wedding, and I didn't get invited with a date, and I didn't really know anybody there, and it was just a bummer. It sucked to spend the weekend like that.

[Rick Liordi]

See, I always get a plus one. And I haven't brought a plus one to a wedding in years. And we just had a wedding this past summer. My best friend got married. That's actually how we know each other. Same group of friends, and I got a plus one. I didn't bring one because I'm just like, hey, if I bring one to a good friend's wedding, so that doubles my booster cost. You know, the. The cash in the envelope you got to give.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

Then the hotel. Obviously they're gonna stay with me. I can't make them pay for it. I'm gonna pay for it. Okay, what about. Do I pay for flights? Do I not pay for flights because it's a vacation? Then do I pay for everything? Which I'm the type of guy that when I bring a woman somewhere, I'm gonna pay for everything anyway. So now I'm like, I just doubled my cost on this week long grease tray.

[Ashley Hess]

And your friends are there.

[Chester]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

And it's like, I have friends. Like, and what if I meet somebody too? Like, again, I'm probably not gonna meet someone at a small wedding in like, like, bum. Nowhere grease. But you never know. Maybe you never know.

[Ashley Hess]

I've been to so many weddings alone. All my college girlfriends, every single one. But, like, they're my close friends. I know a lot of people there. It's tough. Like, that wedding you went to, it was, like, know many people and you're like, here alone. But you also wouldn't have brought a random person.

[Rick Liordi]

But, like, why even go then if you don't know a lot of people and, like, you don't care about the person that much if it's far away.

[Chester]

I didn't care about her. She's one of my closest friends from college. I just didn't really know a lot of people in the wedding. I mean, we got married. She got married 10 years after college.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay. Also, there is a woman in the room. And because you, like, motioned over. So just letting everybody know that you have a friend. A friend here with you. You guys do not hook up. Single and straight.

[Rick Liordi]

We travel together.

[Chester]

Both hot.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah.

[Chester]

And you travel also, before you got here, she was like, we should go to Rodeo Drive. You should buy me something. And I was like, are you guys dating?

[Rick Liordi]

And you both were like, best friends.

[Chester]

No.

[Rick Liordi]

Shout out, Vicki.

[Ashley Hess]

Shout out to Vicky.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah, she's great.

[Chester]

No, Vicky's great.

[Rick Liordi]

So my. One of my best friends that I do the podcast with, Danielle is her best friend. So, like, our whole group of friends, like, we all travel together. Like, ironically, another one of our good friends, this girl Nicole, when we were in Greece a couple years ago, a big group of us, I ended up wanting to go to Portugal after I wasn't ready to go home. And she's like, yeah, I'll come to Portugal with you.

[Chester]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

So we ended up going to Portugal for three days.

[Ashley Hess]

I mean, I love this. And we stand firmly that men and women can just be friends. We're just, you know, with you guys.

[Chester]

But I've slept with most of my guy friends. But now we're friends. Now we're just friends.

[Rick Liordi]

So I've slept with some of my female friends as well. And it's not weird at all. All. It's like, right. Once you're that close with somebody too, it's like, you're just friends. There's like. There's a clear divide. Like, what if you're drunk? It's like, no, sometimes you're just friends.

[Chester]

Just get out of the way. Okay, so I want to wrap up the story, and then we'll explain why you talk about it.

[Ashley Hess]

Let's. I want to play your rebuttal, and then I want to ask you why you can't get a date to a wedding. Okay.

[Rick Liordi]

Featured on a podcast. They didn't mention me, but they just basically called up my tick tocks and talk about me and kind of roasted me. But the way they roasted me is just, you gotta listen, you know?

[Raina Greenberg]

Poor me.

[Chester]

Just a cool guy that can't get a date. It's like, you could walk in anywhere.

[Ashley Hess]

And the panties would just throw themselves at you.

[Chester]

Suck that guy's dick in front of my dad. I know.

[Rick Liordi]

That was the best one. Well, that's just. Even I was like, sorry, dad, I'm trying to do something here.

[Ashley Hess]

Oh, wait, hold on.

[Chester]

No, you're right. You're right.

[Ashley Hess]

Let me play it to the end.

[Chester]

I would pick my face up off that guy's dick and be like, dad, I'm trying to do something here.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, thank you for reminding me that. That was amazing.

[Rick Liordi]

So funny. Like, literally. I remember reading the message I got from, like, my friend who told me about it, and she's like, ricky, like, I don't know how to really say this, but you kind of got roasted. But also in the best possible way. I'm like, how is that possible? She's like, it's the best backhanded compliment you'll ever get in your entire life. And I was like, like, okay, send me the clip. She says to me. I was like, yep, this is. I'm. I'm taking this as a compliment for sure. Yeah, it was really funny, though.

[Chester]

I just really proud of myself. That was funny. That was really funny. So you talk about dating. How did you, like, get into that?

[Rick Liordi]

So I made Tik Toks during COVID like, majority of people did. I had an app with two of my best friends. We were traveling the states, like, promoting this app, and the boyfriend application came out. That was like, like, like a big Tik Tok trend at the time. I made it and, like, I had a couple tik toks go viral, but nothing crazy. I had maybe, I don't know, 20, 30,000 followers on Tik Tok. Again, nothing out of the ordinary. I posted the video. I was in Houston, Texas, at the time I posted it, you know, five o'. Clock. And when I woke up the next morning, like, my phone's just like, like, blowing up. Literally, like, every notification is just 99 comments, 99 new followers, 99 likes. Like, everything's 99. I checked. I gained, like, probably 10,000 followers overnight, maybe 20,000 followers overnight. The video did 2 million views, like, overnight. And it was just insane. I have, like, random blogs reaching out to me. It's like, hey, like, we want to talk to you about this dating. I'm like, I'm just a normal dude.

[Ashley Hess]

From doing that dating application. Like, viral trend, doing up trend.

[Rick Liordi]

It's not even my trend. I didn't even make it.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, I remember that trend.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah. So I did that. And then I'm obviously single. I've been single for a long time, so I just talk about the, you know, cheeky, relatable dating content that, you know, makes people feel like they're heard, they're seen. And I've just been talking about a lot, and it's kind of related to people. So I keep doing it. And, yeah, I guess I'll stop doing it when I'M in a relationship. Maybe I'll just delete Tick tock and Instagram one day too. I got my problem with, you know.

[Ashley Hess]

So we'll talk about your book too and why you wrote it and the motivation, but do you want to be in a relationship? Like, what's your dating history? I don't. I hate to say, why are you single?

[Raina Greenberg]

I hate that question.

[Rick Liordi]

No, no, it's fair. I appreciate you.

[Ashley Hess]

Do you want to be single?

[Rick Liordi]

I want to meet my person, but I'm not willing to sacrifice the current life I have for someone who's not okay. I've always been in long term relationships. My whole life. I've had two four year relationships. A three year relationship. A two year relationship so you can commit. I've been in long term relationship. This is all. I'm 34.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay.

[Rick Liordi]

So this is all prior to social media though. So all my long relationships, before I did any social media, broke up with my ex right before COVID Covet happens. Like that's. I literally broke up a week before COVID I think. And I'm like, I was traveling. I got back, quarantine happened. She's like, I need to see you. I was like, this is a sign from fucking God that we are not meant to be together. Literally. So broke up. I was single for, I know, four years. Then I started doing this whole TikTok thing, social media, whatever. Met my ex last year around this time. We dated for, you know, a hot minute. Then that's kind of what led to the book. And she was long distance.

[Chester]

She's actually from LA and you're from Toronto. Just in case people are like, yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

It'S a long distance relationship. But again, she travels a lot. I travel a lot. Like our first date was like a marathon three day date. It was probably one of the best dates I've ever been on. So, yeah, after we broke up, wrote the book. But yeah, I always said this. I would love to be in a relationship, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my happiness and the life I currently have for someone who might not be it.

[Chester]

So when you say sacrifice, what are the things you're like, I will not stop doing this.

[Rick Liordi]

So if I. When I get in a relationship, it's not just about me anymore. It's not just, hey, I go to work after work, I go to the gym. After the gym I get to go meet up with friends. Just like, hey, you got to up make time for your person. Whether it's the daily FaceTime calls that me and my ex Used to have. Or maybe it's, hey, making time for phone calls or date nights or, you know, being there for them, whatever it is. Like, I can't be going out to the bars two to three nights a week with my buddies just for casual drinks to hang out with them. Like, you have to make sacrifices when you're in a relationship. And right now, there's nobody in my life that I've wanted to make sacrifices for. I met my ex, literally our first date. I was like, yeah, cool, Ready? I'm like, cool. We deleted social media tomorrow. I'm down. Like, not actually, but you know what I mean?

[Ashley Hess]

But I want to hone in on this, like, sacrificing your lifestyle. Like, and also, when you meet the right person, you don't consider it sacrifice. I mean, that people interpret that word in a multitude of different ways. But I just like what you're saying and I feel like I really felt like this prior to meeting my partner. Raina feels like this. Like your life is great and it's fun and it sounds like you do whatever the you want all the time. It sounds like your life is really full. You're talking about the travel and again, yeah, you, like, work, gym, go out with my friends. Like, you need to make time for someone else and give those things up. And if it's the right person, you'll.

[Raina Greenberg]

Be happy to do it.

[Ashley Hess]

But I just really respect you talking about it in a way that we talk about it when we're like, I don't have that. Like, when I decided I wanted a partner, I literally felt like I had to make space. Like, I had to make some changes and make space in my life because there was none.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah, like this, this weekend's the best example. Like, this was not a plan thing. That was like a month in advance or two months advance, like most people's, you know, four day holidays. This is two straight single people traveling together. In what world would that be okay if you had a partner?

[Chester]

Couldn't be me.

[Rick Liordi]

So again, I would have to sacrifice this LA trip if my future partner didn't have vacation days or the time or the energy or just traveling on.

[Chester]

The fly in general.

[Rick Liordi]

This is my, I don't know, fifth vacation this year. We're six weeks into the year.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, 100%.

[Rick Liordi]

There's times where, like, I send friends flowers because they're having a bad day. Like, female friends flowers. Like, okay, if you have a partner, you can't. You might not be able to do some of those things. Like when I go through Some, like, my female friends, like, I'll pick up the bill just because I can well, imagine your. Your boyfriend's paying for some other woman's dinner. Like, maybe not. So there are sacrifices you need to make. I think when you meet the right person, they don't feel like sacrifices.

[Ashley Hess]

Totally.

[Rick Liordi]

Get my ex. When we started dating, I was just like, yeah, cool. Like, I was on a bachelor party in Arizona. Instead of flying home. I literally just flew over here for two days just to see her and then flew back home from there. Hey, a little sacrifice. But I didn't care. I didn't think it was a sacrifice because I was so excited to see her.

[Ashley Hess]

Totally. Yeah.

[Chester]

So I want to ask you, like, it sounds like you have a very full life. It's busy. You've mentioned, like, four different trips since you got here, Vegas and Dallas. And it sounds like you do a lot, and you get up, you work out. You're doing Venice, run club tomorrow. So when you meet somebody, how important is it to you to feel like they fold into that and do it with you versus, like, don't have similar interest, interests, and hobbies?

[Rick Liordi]

My future partner will have majority, if not all the same interests I have. Obviously not all that would be tough, but if they don't like fitness, I always said my future partner has to be fit, and fit can look many different ways physically, but they have to enjoy doing physical activities, whether it's biking, running, swimming, workout classes. I don't care what it is. I love it. It's so part of my life. Imagine if I dated someone who didn't and wouldn't understand the fact that I need to go every single day for my mental health and because I'm fucking vain too. Like, I am. So I want to look good, so I have to go every day. One of my exes wasn't as into it as I was, and I remember one night I was at work late, and she was coming over for dinner. I'm like, hey, I'm gonna be 30 minutes late. She's like, why? I'm like, I have to go to the gym. She's like, no, just skip the gym today. I was like, I can't. She's like, why? I'm like, because you don't understand this, but I need to. She's like, why do you need to? I was like, look, you don't get this. Like, I do. I have to for my mental health. So I think my future partner will have a lot of the same similarities and interests that I have. And even I Said this recently too. One of my dating prompts when I used to have dating apps was, you know, what's your typical, what's your ideal Sunday look like? And I'm like, wake up, do a half marathon, go for a boozy brunch, meet up with our friends, go get pizza and then like binge watch Harry Potter and a lady. She, she comments, she's like, this sounds like hell. But she like, like the comment. And I had to X her and she was stunning, gorgeous. Mom was like, if you don't like that, if that sounds like if my ideal Sunday sounds like hell to you, you, this has no chance of working right.

[Chester]

You know, it's layered. Like it sounds like the person that you were talking about not only didn't do those things, she also didn't understand why you had to. And I think that we don't have to do every single thing in common with our partners, but we should be able to at least let them have space to do those things. And it depends on how much of a lifestyle it is.

[Rick Liordi]

So someone said this, like, what if your person doesn't want to do this but gives you the space to do it? And I'm like, I understand that, but Sundays to me are like one of my favorite days of the week. If I don't want to spend my Sunday with you, what the fuck is.

[Ashley Hess]

The point of that?

[Chester]

Yes, totally.

[Ashley Hess]

I mean, literally, I see a world in which some women wouldn't like the regimen, you know, like, it might not be for me, I'm super into it.

[Rick Liordi]

I think majority women, but like that.

[Ashley Hess]

In terms of like, you can't skip a day. That might not be the type of guy I would want, but there's plenty of women out there and you just can't be with somebody who isn't going to do those things. Like we have a guy friend, Rob, and he's like really into cycling. And he was like, like never going to be with a woman who didn't want to do that. You know, they were on their honeymoon cycling around France. You know, like, he's like, I'm not going to be with a girl who doesn't want to cycle and like, doesn't want to do these outdoorsy things because he's so passionate about, he wants to do it with his partner.

[Rick Liordi]

You know, for me, one of my favorite things is, and I always say this, I'm never home. Like actually like I wake up, I leave my condo or my parents house, wherever I was the, the night before, I'll wake up at 6am, 6:30, I'm at the gym. Then I go to work all day. After work, I book things to do because I enjoy doing things. If you're the type of person that after work you want to go home and cook dinner and binge watch whatever is on Netflix, like, yo, I love that for you. And that's amazing, and that's great. You're just not my person. I just. I can't see myself doing that four days a week. I just.

[Raina Greenberg]

What do you do?

[Rick Liordi]

Well, I own a pickleball team. So, like, I play pickleball. I do workout classes. I have the podcast.

[Chester]

Okay.

[Rick Liordi]

I travel, you know, every two to three weeks. There's always something to do. And then there's the influencer events that we get invited to do. It's like, a lot of fun.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

And I have random people that come with me to these things. And then there was like, you know, people I'm kind of interested in that don't want to do any of these things. I'm like, okay, how does. How would this fucking work? I'm inviting other people to these things that I would want to do with you, like, or I'm gonna stop doing them myself, and then I'm gonna lose myself. And that's not fun either.

[Chester]

It sounds like your life is really full. And I would give different advice to different people. It doesn't seem like you're complaining about being single.

[Rick Liordi]

Oh, no.

[Chester]

If you were like, I've tried everything and I can't find anybody. And I'd say, well, who are you searching for? And you'd say, well, I want. I want to find exactly the same person as me. I'd say maybe. Maybe open up your. Your mind a little bit. But it doesn't sound like you're like, I'm so miserable. My happiness is anchored in another person. I really, really want to find somebody right now. We're all to have our own boundaries.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I would love to meet my fucking person. I would. I would love to meet my person and be doing everything I'm doing right now with my person. Okay. But I haven't met them yet. Great. My life out of 100 is a 99 out of 100 right now. I truly believe I'm that level of happiness. I'm missing one. The one person I'm missing is that extra one. 99 out of 100. Am I going to risk my 99 for someone that might not make me 100? No. But when I meet my one and I thought I did last year and it didn't work out, but I'm willing to risk it for that one to complete my happiness level chart, whatever you want to call it.

[Ashley Hess]

And. And you'll probably meet somebody doing those things you love to do. Like, if these women are up Sunday morning running like, those. That's your type of person, right? Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

That's why I go to all these stupid singles mixers and run clubs and pick. Everyone keeps saying, run clubs and pickleball. That's where you meet people. I fucking.

[Ashley Hess]

You're like, I'll buy a team.

[Rick Liordi]

I'm in, like, three run clubs. I haven't met a single person. I'm like, what the hell?

[Chester]

Venice Run club tomorrow.

[Rick Liordi]

Venice Run club. You never know. So I keep. So there are days where I look at my. I must be the problem here. Like, there's. There's gotta be something. Cause, like, well, then majority of the time I'm like, ah, fuck it. I just. My. My future wife is planning Valentine's Day dinner with some loser right now who's not treating her well. I'm just waiting for her to realize it so we can find each other.

[Chester]

I feel like this sometimes that your life is so full, it's hard to compete with it. Like, I feel like I don't.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, you're competing with my life.

[Chester]

You're competing with my. My life, my friends, my interests, my job, which is great. The travel. I do, like. Like, I don't, like, ax people quickly, but sometimes I'm just like, if you're not gonna be nice, you're not gonna be intentional. You're not gonna show up when you buy. Like, my life is nice, and I don't need to make concessions 100%.

[Rick Liordi]

And even on dating apps. And I hate using dating app as an example. Cause I do like dating apps. I'm not on any really right now. I kind of use them just to, like, make friends when I travel. But on dating apps, people are like, oh, I love to give me travel tips for you, but I love traveling, blah, blah. And then you go to their Instagram. It's like, you haven't traveled. So it's like, okay, you love to do all these things. And I understand there's boundaries, financial, like, hardships and all these other things. But at the same time, like, if you love to do that, okay, well, like, how are we gonna do it if you don't do it on your own? But, like, you go to my Instagram, it is an evolution of my dating profile. Like, you go to My Instagram, that's actually who I am.

[Ashley Hess]

This is who I am.

[Rick Liordi]

I do all these influencer things. I do all these pickleball things. I run all these half marathons. I travel religiously. Like, the only thing that's not on my Instagram is my day job.

[Ashley Hess]

You have a lot of energy.

[Rick Liordi]

Thank you.

[Ashley Hess]

I appreciate it in a great way. Like, you have more than the average person, I think.

[Rick Liordi]

Oh, for sure.

[Ashley Hess]

Can you think of a woman we know with this much energy?

[Raina Greenberg]

Can you think of a woman that.

[Ashley Hess]

Will do all this? Because I feel like girls are very, like, our whole vibe is, yes, we're all doers. We're all fucking boss bitches, but we.

[Chester]

Like to be lazy. We have a couple friends that we can talk about offline, but who live in LA that are single, actually, that we could set you up with. But let me ask you. And you too, Ashley. It sounds like you have a lot of interests and hobbies, and I think that can be intimidating to the average person. I think most people are like, I want more friends. I want to do a lot more. More. If you met somebody that was like, I don't really have a lot going on, but I'm willing to do the stuff that you like because the stuff you like sounds good. You teach me to be more like you. I don't mean this in a joking way. Like, if somebody's happy to just kind of go along with what you want to do and open up their heart and their mind to new hobbies. Do you like that?

[Ashley Hess]

I think there has to be something already there. I think it can't be starting from ground zero. I think you gotta be a fitness girl or you gotta be something. You gotta. Something's gotta be there.

[Rick Liordi]

Something trying to motivate me on the days I'm not motivated.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Chester]

Okay. So for you, Ashley, like. But what if you met somebody but they didn't, like, really have a lot of interest in hobbies, but they're like, your interest in hobbies sound good? Like, the last person I was in a serious relationship with, I wouldn't say he had a lot of interest in hobbies, but he was excited to learn about the things that I had going on and do those things with me.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

So I think that's really nice. Like, that they get excited to do the things you love to do, but I also think they need to have their own. It's like, you can't just be my shadow. Like, nobody wants a shadow.

[Ashley Hess]

I think, to answer the question, my fiance's life has changed so much since he met me. He's going on tour, you know, he's traveling with me a lot. But like, he had so many cool interests and hobbies before I met him. And his friends were super important. And I loved that he had this big friend group and he's got his, like, cars and his music and his shoes and like, I just liked everything he was into and had stuff going on.

[Chester]

You guys have similar interests and we.

[Ashley Hess]

Do have similar interests.

[Chester]

Families do too. And like, I am thinking about this last relationship I was in and like, he was a great buddy to do stuff with. He was positive and excited. He wanted to learn about the stuff that I was into. But I don't know that he was like, bringing stuff to the table. Like, I got tickets to this thing. I thought we would like it. Right.

[Rick Liordi]

So if you don't mind me asking, why didn't it work out?

[Chester]

Difference in lifestyle and goals.

[Rick Liordi]

And you just said different in lifestyles.

[Chester]

Yeah, motivations also.

[Rick Liordi]

So again, if he's someone that just wanted to do what you're doing. And again, there's nothing wrong with people like that either. It's just I can only speak on my behalf. I want someone who is similar to me, like a go getter who wants to do all these things. If my future partner loves Pilates and I don't fucking know anything about Pilates, she loves it. I will fucking do it with her too. And I will jump onto that because it's still part of that physical fitness. Like the idea of going somewhere. I love going to sporting events. I love hockey, basketball, you know, soccer. Let's say she loves. I know, fucking cricket. Cricket. Let's go to the cricket. Let me get a new team. One of my exes, she didn't care about football before she met me. Like, we got to pick her favorite team together.

[Ashley Hess]

Love it.

[Rick Liordi]

Like, I bought her a jersey. We'd sit down there, get her into. Get her into fantasy football and something we did on Sundays. And she was excited about it.

[Chester]

Like, that's fun.

[Rick Liordi]

Now it's still her favorite team, you know, like 10 years later or something. To me, that's fun. But she had an interest in going to football games, going to do things. So I think it all depends. Like if you have this, this. I don't want to call a person born, but if you have someone that's got like a blank slate, that just hasn't. Doesn't have anything. It's tricky if they've got their base and you're evolving and growing together and compromising with each other, then I think it works.

[Ashley Hess]

And I don't think most guys want that. I think if they. If they want a woman that's got nothing going on so she can completely fold into their life and they can control her completely. Huge red flag. Every single man we've ever spoken to, all the people on the show, as well as our friends, our brothers, like, you want a woman who's got stuff going on. And so that's what we say to single women. Like, get your things you're passionate about.

[Raina Greenberg]

Get a full life because it's attractive.

[Ashley Hess]

I've never heard a guy say, like, I just like a girl that's got nothing going on, so she can just do my shit.

[Rick Liordi]

Even people ask, like, where can I find good men these days? It's like, I don't know, what do you like doing? There's no good men there. I'm like, you keep doing it, you're going to find one. You're going to find someone for you doing the things you love. That's why, again, I go to these workout classes. I go to these run clubs. I do everything that. Yeah, okay, Obviously I do certain things alone too, but anytime I go to, I get invited to an event that's like fitness and charity related. I like, make sure I'm 100% there because those are two things I love. Fitness and charity.

[Ashley Hess]

Love it.

[Rick Liordi]

Anytime I get invited to a sporting event, I'm like, fuck, yeah. How can we go? Other people come in. Is there a group of us? Amazing. Oh, we're traveling to the Hamptons next weekend. Fuck yeah. Sign me up. Who do I owe money to? Like, those are things I love doing. If I can meet someone doing the things I love, it's gonna work.

[Chester]

Work.

[Ashley Hess]

What's up with Vicki?

[Rick Liordi]

Vicki works too much. No, we love Vicki. I'm not her type, actually.

[Chester]

Okay, what's your type?

[Raina Greenberg]

Vicky.

[Chester]

Yeah, Vicky.

[Rick Liordi]

Tall, dark, enhanced.

[Ashley Hess]

You like some of less energy?

[Chester]

Yeah, less energy. Okay, well, to his point, like, I work a lot and, like, work is a big part of my life.

[Ashley Hess]

I work in sports. Okay, so to your point, I've met.

[Chester]

A lot of people at work and in that industry because that's where I put all my energy.

[Raina Greenberg]

I feel like I'm not her type. Values are a little bit different.

[Ashley Hess]

That's totally fine. Again, we have guy friends. We same.

[Chester]

I mean, one of our closest guy friends. I mean, him and I. Ton of my guy friends I couldn't ever be with. They stay at your house? Yeah, they stay at my house. They Walk around with their shirts off. I would never, ever be like, maybe I could come in the bedroom with you.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay, right now I want to talk to you about him. I can see a woman being like, I cannot. I won't be able to pin him down. Like, I can. I think women like consistency and stability. And so I think they might be like, he's got. It's too much like he's the. He's here, he's there. And it's not that they don't want to do that. And I'm not saying that they're right and that's assumption, but, like, right. I think you'd have to prove, like, I can be consistent and stable and, like, you can rely on me. Like, when I think of you, I think of, like, we used to talk about these guys, these like, Sagittarius type guys. I don't know what your sign is.

[Rick Liordi]

But you can guess.

[Chester]

It sounds Sagittarius. But are you. No, not good. You seem more high functioning.

[Ashley Hess]

Also, we're not that into astrology. I'm just saying, like, we used to joke, like, you can't pin them down. Like, you know, I think most women just want someone they can count on. And you can do both. You can be all over the place, you can travel, you can have all these activities. But at the end of the day, like, there needs to be some stability there too.

[Rick Liordi]

100%.

[Chester]

So I guess it depends on, like, what your life is full of. Somebody who just travels a lot on a whim all the time that I could get behind the pin him down. Like, if the. I can't pin him down because he's always on a trip, I'm super behind that. I'll go with you. I'll plan stuff with you that's really fun. But, like, lifestyle wise, I had feelings for somebody who's a very outdoorsy person. He likes to. To mountain bike and snowboard, and I don't like any of those things. That is what he wants to do all the time, constantly. And like, we didn't date, but, like, it would never been an option. I don't like to do any of those things. He's another person. It's hard to quote, unquote, pin him down, but the person he ended up with is somebody who likes to do those things a lot. She's nothing like me. So I think she probably likes his brand of can't pin him down. Whereas I would fucking hate it. You're on a mountain every weekend. You're camping every weekend. Absolutely not. But you're on a trip every weekend. Count me in.

[Rick Liordi]

And to your idea. Like, most women would think this, and you are 100% correct. I'm also not looking for most women. I'm looking for a very specific person. I've been single for so long, and I've dated so many amazing, like, truly amazing women. Like, they are perfect for somebody, and I know they are. And so many women I've gone on dates with and, like, we had short flings have met their person. And I'm so happy for them because they're great people. The thing is, they weren't mine. I'm not gonna waste anybody's time. And I know so many women that would be great for me. Great, but not perfect. I'm not gonna waste anybody's time. I'm not gonna waste my own time. And I'm not gonna settle for great. I'm gonna settle for perfect. Because I believe my perfect person's out there.

[Ashley Hess]

Perfect for you.

[Rick Liordi]

Perfect for me. My perfect. There's no such thing as a perfect person. Everybody's got their flaws. But my perfect person exists.

[Raina Greenberg]

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[Chester]

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[Raina Greenberg]

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[Chester]

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[Raina Greenberg]

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[Rick Liordi]

Yeah.

[Chester]

Do you have an age that you are like, this is the age I want to start having children, definitely. Okay, so you're open minded about that. Do you have time?

[Rick Liordi]

And I'm okay with like, adopting, surrogacy, whatever. My partner. Partner. My partner's, let's say, too old to have kids. By the time we get married and want kids, then we'll adopt, we'll do whatever else we got to do. I'm cool with it.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, I think, like, you'll find her. I think my, my point is just like, I think there's a way to also show that you're like a consistent, stable partner. And it doesn't mean it needs to even be in person. Like, it's just like, women are like, he's giving vibes. Not you necessarily, but like, a guy might give vibes. I'm not gonna hear from him for three days. You know, like, and I don't know how you are in dating, but it's just like, you can do those things without, like, is he gonna text you back? You know, I think some of those guys that you feel like you can't pin down, you just feel like they could disappear off the face of the earth 100 and you're falling for them and you're like, I don't feel secure. You know?

[Chester]

Totally.

[Ashley Hess]

And I'm not saying that's you.

[Rick Liordi]

No, no. But it's a man's job to make whoever it is they're talking to their dating feel secure. My thing is, and I get what you're saying, and women could look at me and say, this guy's got too much going on. Like, I'm not taking this risk. Same time. Everything I do in my life I'm consistent with.

[Chester]

Yep.

[Ashley Hess]

I believe everything.

[Rick Liordi]

Like, I'm 34 years old. I have a day job that I've been there for 10 years now. My family business. I've been doing this social media thing for four years. I wrote a book, which I'm not saying that's consistent. It's the first book I read, but it's a commitment. It was a commitment. I look the way I do at 34 years old when, you know, most men my age are starting to go the opposite direction of looks. I show up every day at everything I do. That's my resume.

[Chester]

Yep.

[Raina Greenberg]

I love it.

[Rick Liordi]

That's my resume. And again, if I'm not for you, there's nothing wrong with. With that. I've had many women that I've Pursued that were just like, I know it's not going to work. And I'm like, why? What I did. There's like, too much. You're too much. Yeah, you're too much. And I made a TikTok about it that went viral. It's like, if I'm too much for you, that's fine.

[Ashley Hess]

Go find less.

[Rick Liordi]

Go get less. Because I find someone that I am perfectly much for and who knows what it'll look like? But yeah, my. If you saw my ex, like, I'll show you guys offline after. If you saw her socials. And again, just by. I'm not saying social media is a good judge of character or good judge of who a person is is. But you can see a lot of their vibe. And this person, their social media page looked similar to mine. Like, going. Doing all these wild things. You're like, what the. How are you doing that today? And like, when people come to my page, I want them to be like, weren't you in Florida last week? Now you're in la, you're going on this Girl's got to Eat podcast, and then you're going back to your construction job on Tuesday. Like, what the.

[Ashley Hess]

You have an exciting life. What was that? One survey, it was like they asked people, would you prefer an exciting life or a stable life? And most people say stable. And I'm going exciting all day long. I want both.

[Chester]

Both.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay, I want to talk about your ex, however much you want to share, but you said that someone who changed your perception of love inspired the book and then also sounded like there was a painful breakup involved.

[Rick Liordi]

I mean, obviously. Yeah, I wrote a book about it, so I met this person. Look, I was single for so long that when you're single for an extended period of time, especially when you've been in relationships and you've had love in your life, more than not. When you're that single, you start to question, are you able to love? Or you start to question, like, is there love in me? Am I the hard one that's hard to love? Like, you question all those things. That's why I'm so thankful for my relationship with her, because she reminded me of my capacity to love. And whenever I sign books, I always write in the depths of heartache. We are reminded of our capacity to love, because the more heartbroken you are and the more you're hurting, it just means the more you can love. And it's tough to remember, though, especially on your dark days. And that's kind of what inspired the whole book. But. But it was just one of those situations where I was so long and I'm like, hey, maybe I'm just not meant to meet anybody. And I had those feelings so many times over the last couple of years. And then I met her and it just like instant, like, madly in love. I think we said I love you after like three weeks or something, which is anyone who knows me, like, I'm like a six month I love you kind of guy.

[Chester]

Oh, wow.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay.

[Rick Liordi]

Like, I'm a. I'm a slow burner, this one. We had our first date. By the end of the day, we're like. We looked at each other at a bar. We're like, can we do this? We're long to like, can we make this work?

[Chester]

From Toronto la.

[Rick Liordi]

Toronto to la. But like, again, we also had a whole bunch of other travel plans, like, preset.

[Chester]

Sure.

[Rick Liordi]

So we're like, can we make this work? And we're like, fuck it, let's do this. Like, and. And then ironically, I saw her three times in the next, like six weeks. So it reminded me of my capacity love. And I'm forever thankful for her and. And for that relationship. It's unfortunate that didn't work out and it's unfortunate that I had to get my heart broken to be reminded of those things. It's a lesson learned and I do believe something good came out of it.

[Chester]

It.

[Rick Liordi]

And I do believe in every relationship you're taught a lesson or you're taught something. And I think mine in this one is that I am able to love. And I. I do have a large capacity to love and I think the outcome is the book. And who knows, like, I might write another one, I don't know, but I think it's just altered my life in such a massive way, both positively and negatively. But I will be forever thankful for her.

[Ashley Hess]

I love this.

[Chester]

And I thank you for also saying that, like, when you are single for a long time, you do start to just think, like, am I no longer lovable? Other people have in the past, but, you know, maybe I'm not lovable anymore. Maybe I've just been doing this on my own for too long and I'm incapable of letting a person in. And you were. Ashley was single for a long time before she met her longtime partner. And I've been single for years now. And I do meet a lot of people and I like them. They're fine for the time being. And I just. Nothing has worked out, like, in a serious manner in a couple years. And those thoughts creep in Sometimes where I'm just like, like, maybe it's just not meant to be for me anymore.

[Rick Liordi]

And society also tells us that there's something wrong with us once we hit 30 and we're single. That's what society deems us. Oh, why are you single? You're 30. What's. What's wrong with you? It's like, well, you respectfully, nothing. Just haven't met my person yet. Some people meet them when they're kids, some people meet them in high school, some people meet them in university, some don't meet them till they're 50.

[Ashley Hess]

Well, and also those people that say that, that's, that's on them. That's like such a dated narrative all the time.

[Rick Liordi]

Oh, you're single at 34, you're good looking and have money and you travel. Why are you single? What's wrong with you? It's like, excuse me, Other people look in the mirror before you come at me.

[Chester]

Like, don't you think, like, sometimes people say, like, well, you just haven't done the work. And we're. Do you know people I know in very serious long term relationships that have done zero work on themselves? Fuck your partner like shit, get treated like shit. That's just the luck of the draw that you ended up with somebody.

[Rick Liordi]

When people tell me online, oh, you just haven't looked. Excuse me, how many singles events have you been to? The last four. Because I've been to a ton of.

[Chester]

Right. All I'm doing is looking.

[Rick Liordi]

I'm looking and I'm open to it. People like, oh, you just don't want one. I'm like, because it's all projections run.

[Ashley Hess]

Down the gamut of the crazy things people say. That's just a production.

[Rick Liordi]

Social media too. It's hilarious. Sorry. Janine, who lives in Idaho and her life looks miserable. I don't care what you think.

[Chester]

Well, those people give you advice through the lens of their own life experiences. And I understand, like, somebody's like, well, I've been my husband for sure, 20 years. And here's what. That's great. That's for you.

[Rick Liordi]

I'm so happy.

[Ashley Hess]

I can't relate to that at all.

[Raina Greenberg]

You know?

[Ashley Hess]

Like, yeah, I'm not with my high school or college sweetheart. We are different. Totally.

[Rick Liordi]

And, and I love love too. Like, I'm the biggest cheerleader of love. You know, I used to talk more about how being single sucks and all those other things. Like, no, I am the biggest cheerleader of love because I want it around me. The more love I have around Me, the more likely I am to have love within me. And I'm gonna go find love. So I'm the biggest cheerleader, but sometimes I'm just like, shut the up. Like, respectfully, shut the fuck up.

[Raina Greenberg]

Right?

[Chester]

I agree. Like, I think about people with life experiences that are so different than you and like, really just shout to the people that realize that, like my brother and my sister in law, they're 35, they've been together since they were 22. They never dated anybody besides the other person. They have never given me dating advice.

[Ashley Hess]

Love it, I don't want it.

[Chester]

They, they know, they know that they have no fucking business talking to me about what it's like out here. Okay?

[Ashley Hess]

And I fucking love that.

[Rick Liordi]

You know, they were never on dating apps. They don't know it. They don't get it.

[Ashley Hess]

I love that they know they, they have no business.

[Chester]

They just, they don't even. Every once in a while my brother would be like, that guy's treating you like shit. Just open your eyes. But like, other than that, neither one of them had the audacity to be like, well, maybe try this, because they have no idea what it's like in this world.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah. You don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but can you tell us why you broke up? Was it like a distance?

[Rick Liordi]

So distance was a key thing.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

And I've said this recently, when you, when you're dating, like, arguably the most beautiful person alive, it is so tough.

[Ashley Hess]

And that'll be you or.

[Rick Liordi]

No, that was her. Thank you. No. So she was always traveling. She's a model. Like, she did all these, like, cool, really fun, exciting things. You know, I can get insecure too. Like, you know, we are all human. And there was times where I think I just, I needed a little bit more than she was giving. And I, I don't think I communicated as well as I should have at times. So it's tough. Tough. It is tough. Like, it's not like you could just be like, hey, I'm having a day. Like, I'm coming over to see you. It's like, hey, I'm having a day and you're in, you know, Dubai or something, living your best life, and I just, I want you with me.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

So it is tough. Would I date a model again? I don't know. It was tough because again, she's like, again, a 10 out of 10.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah. My fiance felt the same way as you when we started that Ashley was.

[Chester]

Too, like, be allowed out in public.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah. Literally, like, my. My.

[Chester]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

Anyway, is he thinks he does. But you. You want that. You want your partner to think you are the most beautiful person. Of course he does.

[Ashley Hess]

Somehow, I don't know. I mean, I feel the same way.

[Chester]

That's what.

[Raina Greenberg]

You know, Like, I look at him and I'm like, oh, I really, really did that.

[Rick Liordi]

Can't wait to him.

[Chester]

Like, yeah, yeah.

[Ashley Hess]

But, no, I'm totally kidding.

[Chester]

I don't think you hear a lot of men say out loud, like, my partner was so attractive. It made me, like, feel insecure. And I'm good for you for saying that.

[Ashley Hess]

But, yeah, like, everyone should feel about that with their partner. But then she's traveling all over and she's, you know, in shoots and all that.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah, it's tough because, again, if it was, we lived in the same city. It's easy. It's okay. You're gonna be home in two weeks. Like, this is no big deal. But it's like, hey, she was traveling for an extended period. So was I. So it is tricky. Everyone's like, oh, like, why'd you do it in the first place? Like, do you think I decide, hey, I'm gonna love this person from la. You think that was my first date? No. I met an amazing person. I fell in love, and we tried. It didn't work. It is what it is. If I met another patient in LA this weekend. Right. I would try it all over again. Again. Because that's not the lesson I learned. The lesson I learned wasn't that distance is the reason it didn't work.

[Ashley Hess]

Totally.

[Rick Liordi]

I learned a different lesson, and I learned that, you know what? In my last communication, maybe I didn't clearly communicate my wants and my needs as well as I should have. And some of that's on me. I'm not saying she didn't have her faults, but I know what I could have done better. The distance is not what would have.

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

You know what I mean? So someone's like, oh, maybe you should date in your hometown. It's like, no, maybe I sh. Maybe I tried and it didn't work. And I learned a lot of lessons dating people in my hometown. I will date the person who, like, makes my heart feel so full, who puts the biggest smile on my face. You know, you see those tiktoks and memes all the time. Like, date someone that you want to stay on the phone with super late, even though you know you got to go to work in the morning. Someone that, you know, you smile every time you see their name on Your phone, someone that you hear a song on the radio, you can't wait to send it to them. Like. Like that. That's what I want.

[Chester]

What did you learn about jealousy and communicating? Like, I don't like that. And how you did communicate it, how you changed.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah, it's not so much about jealousy. It's what I learned about the communications that you need to clearly communicate your wants and your needs, even if you think it's obvious. And I know, like, women on the same hand, like, same advice goes to them.

[Raina Greenberg]

Totally.

[Rick Liordi]

There's times like, oh, I thought you would know. It's like, no, men don't. Men are stupid. We are literally, when it comes to relationships, we are stupid. You need to, like, tell us straight. I don't like that you did X, Y, and Z. Not like, you know what? Maybe you could have done something differently. It's like, no, spell it out for. For us.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

But on the other side, you know, there are times where I was having a bad day, and I'm like, I described my bad day, but I didn't say I had a bad day. I need you. And it's like, I expected you to be there for me when you didn't even really know I had a bad day. So clear communication. And it's okay to be insecure with your partner. It's okay to show that insecurity, vulnerability. Right. You know, the idea and this notion that macho men can't. And I'm gonna go on a rant here, but a couple days ago, I. Someone posted something saying like, like, men need to toughen up. We need to get back to the old school. Traditional men that need to toughen up and. And be strong. Well, respectfully, I've done everything tough men can do. I've ran marathons. I've done high rocks. I've done Ironmans. I can bench more than half the worlds can. I can do all these. I work in construction. I make more money than the average person. I can do all these macho man things. I could do all those 10 times out of 10. Then read that book in public. Reading that book in public when I did my book launch was one of the hardest things I've ever done.

[Chester]

I.

[Rick Liordi]

My entire life. To share some of your most intimate, vulnerable moments with the world is tough. Having a conversation with your partner saying, hey, I'm not okay, or, hey, you know, I feel insecure because of X, Y, and Z. That's tough. Running marathons is a. Okay. Not a walk in the park, but it's not nearly as hard as some of these other things. So they all idea that macho men and men need to whatever and, like, men shouldn't be emotional and blah. It's too feminine. Energy. Out of here.

[Ashley Hess]

Right, Fight.

[Rick Liordi]

I fight with people in my tick tock comments. You're too. Your energy's too feminine.

[Raina Greenberg]

I'm like, those people.

[Rick Liordi]

No, out of here.

[Ashley Hess]

Those people are the reason why this country, why we have a president. Like, we do. Yeah.

[Chester]

Yeah.

[Ashley Hess]

So, no, we just don't subscribe to that at all. But it's funny because it's like very. Like, men will do anything besides go to therapy. Like, you know, literally.

[Rick Liordi]

It's free in Canada for some people. Yeah, the first, like, four sessions are free in Canada.

[Ashley Hess]

We gotta get to Canada. Can you tell us about the book?

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah. So I. I never in a million years thought I'd write a book. Book, literally ever. I journal a lot. I started journaling in probably 2016, 2017. I suffered from depression when I was younger, went to therapy. My therapist got me journaling. And I remember telling her, she's like, you should start journaling. And I'm like, I'm depressed and you want me to start a diary? Are you joking me? Get out of here, lady. She's like, no, Rick, it's not a diary. Just write down your thoughts, your feelings, any words that stand out. Yeah. Dear Diary, I'm depressed. The end. Thanks for that. I feel great now. Like, come on. So I started journaling a lot. And I've. I've always done it, whether it's notes on my phone, whether it's on, like, my workbooks, whether it's in an actual journal. And I was writing down all my thoughts and my feelings for the last couple years. And then after the heartbreak, you know, obviously you've got different opinions and when you're in love, you have different opinions and different thoughts and feelings. And then I started, you know, reading quotes online and saying some quotes, and some were my own, some are just quotes I generally found online that I loved. And someone one day was like, you should write a book. And I've been thinking about, like, I've always loved the idea of, like, writing something. And I'm just. I'm not that literate, to be honest. I'm not. Like, I'm really not. And then I was saying, I'm like, you know, what an author that's not that literate? Well, that's the nice thing about poetry. There's no right or wrong way to write it.

[Chester]

It's art you get an editor correct it?

[Rick Liordi]

Actually, no. My editor gave me a bunch of things. I'm like, I don't like the way that visually looks, so I'm not gonna accept that change. She's like, it's grammatically wrong. I'm like, it's arts.

[Chester]

She's like, it's spelled wrong.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah. Spelling we changed. Yeah. Smelling we did. Well, I wrote this before I got into Chat GPT, so I could have used Chat GPT to autocorrect everything anyways. But I said. I was like, you know what? I started writing down all these thoughts, all these feelings, all these emotions, and I said, what if I can turn this into, like, a book of poems to be your companion on your journey through love? What if, like, you know, there's men like me, and I'm sure there's many other men and women who feel bad venting to their friends, who don't feel safe opening up and sharing these stories with their friends. Like, sometimes you feel like you're alone, literally. So the book is meant to be a companion on your journey through love. And to know that, hey, you're not alone. It's okay to open up. It's okay to be vulnerable. It's okay to be insecure. Hey, flip through the pages of the book. Find something that you resonate with and write down your feelings. Maybe you don't resonate with anything today. That's fine. It's not meant to be read start to finish. It's meant to, you know, sit on your nighttime coffee table. Nighttime table and just flip through it. When you're in your feels, when you don't feel your relationship with love is strong. Maybe you're in a relationship and you don't feel that, hey, I'm not getting the most out of this relationship. Let's flip through chapter two, when I found someone and I was head over heels in love. And let's remind ourselves what it feels like to be in love. You know, maybe you're fucking heartbroken. Don't think you're going to meet anybody. Okay, well, know that I was, too, and know that I felt the same pain that you're going through. Or maybe you're on this journey of, like, learning to love yourself again. Like, yeah, there's. There's poems in there for you, too. So it's meant to be a. A companion on your journey through love. Whatever stage you are, whatever phase you are. And I'm really proud of it. Of all the things I've done in recent years, it's one of the things I'm. I'm most proud of.

[Chester]

That's amazing. Congratulations.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah, and I just, I like it. It's like kind of low commitment, low stakes. Pick it up when you need it, you know? I like the term companion.

[Chester]

Yeah, me too. And it gives you something nice to talk to your partners about, you know, because you. Every page has a little place to also write your thoughts.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah, that's, that's the idea behind it.

[Ashley Hess]

You could share this with your partner. Like, you could, could both jot down stuff. Like, I know a couple, I'm not gonna embarrass them, but they met and then they both started like journaling back and forth to each other. They both write these entries in this notebook.

[Rick Liordi]

No, that's so cute though.

[Ashley Hess]

And it was just very cute. Like she started it and then they both just started like kind of writing in the same book. And so that's why I thought you really choose with your partner, because I like the chapter titles.

[Raina Greenberg]

So there's Hopeless Love, Endless Love, Tortured Love, True Love, Self Love.

[Chester]

I think it's special and a nice activity you can do with your partner. And of course we'll tell you guys where to find all of his stuff. But maybe we could talk about men and breakups a little bit since this is about heartbreak. And you know, I think that when women break up with a partner, it is really usually like, you circle the wagons in your friends and your family and your girlfriends, and you spend a lot of time journaling and crying and going to therapy. But for me, I think men's experience in general, it's not, not for everybody, but it's, it's different for men.

[Rick Liordi]

I, I think women and men process breakups differently. I think women in the short term are more hurt and like, they struggle more immediately, but then once they move on, they move on and it's over. Whereas men is the opposite. Men like, oh, I'm single now, I'm gonna go, you know, download dating apps. I'm gonna around do all these things. And then months later they're hurting. I think it's like a complete opposite. Women are more short term pain, like in the breakup, and then men hurt later, whereas women don't spend her years. Yeah, literally.

[Chester]

We had somebody on the show, Connor Beaton. I always remember him saying, men, they fuck it out and they drink it out. And that's not the healthiest way to process emotions. Maybe a couple weeks. Sure.

[Rick Liordi]

I was very lucky that one of my last breakups before this, this most recent one, I drank a lot after that one. And it was just like, that's the lifestyle I have. Like, I live on arguably, like the busiest street in Toronto to go out. I'm always out. I'm always doing fun things. So I was going out three, four times week after this breakup. I don't think I drank or for, like, ever. Not ever, obviously. But like, I quit drinking, cut it down completely. I was like, cold, plunging every day, like, going for walks, like, stretching, working out. I got in the most wholesome era ever because I was just like, I need to focus on me or else it'll be exactly what happened to me five years ago where I just drink. You're going out chasing tail and you're trying to do all these, like, stupid things where it's like, that doesn't help you. You're just gonna hurt longer. And when you do that, you end up. I don't want to say you end up hating your ex, but you blame them for everything. It's like sometimes it's not your ex's fault it didn't work out. It's just, hey, maybe right person, wrong time, or maybe just there's things outside of your control that didn't make it work. You shouldn't have to hate your exes. And when you end up drinking and do all these other things, that's when the relationships get, like, really hatred, you know? I mean, like, if you're like, both trying to get back at each other, doing things to, like, spite each other, that's, hey, I did my own thing, she did her own thing. We. We are cool now. And it's nice that, like, every time I speak about her, I speak very highly of her. Like, again, amazing person. And I've never said a bad thing about her ever, probably. So it's really nice to know that, like, I still care about her, like, in that sense, and it didn't tarnish my relationship with her. And, like, I would hope she would say nice things about me too, because, like, I wasn't doing all these stupid things that I would have done in my 20s.

[Ashley Hess]

It is really, is fascinating. I mean, I think women get to work immediately and we also have the circle around us. I mean, I don't know, I feel for anybody, man or woman, who doesn't have those people that are really going to pick you up off the floor and, like, invite you to dinner and cook for you or do the workout classes, go to yoga, like, do cry with you on the couch, you know, and women have a lot more of that. We're able to get that pain out of our body with whatever it is again, just like the crying, the talking.

[Rick Liordi]

The pelotoni talking is the biggest thing, right?

[Raina Greenberg]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

Men after a breakup, well, now maybe there's a shift. But before, it was always like, like, okay, oh, you got dumped. Let's go to the bar. Let's go find something.

[Chester]

Right? Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

It's like, how is that the first thing that comes out of your mind every time sometimes, like, yo, I'm heartbroken. I just want you to listen. Yeah, but again, men are. And I hate saying this, like, sometimes men are scared to talk about their emotions because it's not manly. It's like, hey, well, you know what it is now? Like, exactly. There's a. Needs to be a shift in the world, because if more men supported their friends and their. Their brothers and their, you know, male friends, like, women supported their. Themselves, you know, maybe we'd have less broken men. And broken men just hurt women. You see the cycle all the time. Like, girl hurts boy, boy hurts girl, boy gets hurt, again, hurts another girl. It's like, hurt people, hurt people. Like, you hate saying that. Like, I don't want to use this example. Like, I love Zach Brian. Like, I love Zach Brian. What? Like, this whole story, and you only hear one side right now. But it's bad. I don't know if you guys know the story. Like, yeah, we talked about it. It's. It's fucking bad. And I love Zach Bryant. Like, I love his music, and I'm just like, fuck, man. Like, how do I. Fuck, yeah.

[Chester]

How do I separate the musician from the person?

[Rick Liordi]

I try to? But sometimes you're like, hey, like, that's not what I stand for. Right? That's, you know, that's a poor young woman that didn't take this payout so that she could be a face for all the women who had to take the panel for us because it's a ton of money.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

So anyways, I know that's a completely different conversation.

[Chester]

I know where this is going. I was like, oh, no.

[Ashley Hess]

He was like. And I support everything he did.

[Chester]

I thought you were gonna be like, you didn't hear his side of the story.

[Rick Liordi]

No, it's like, yo, like, I knew. Hurt people, hurt people. It's like, yo, instead of us, just continuous, like, perpetuating cycle. It's like, hey, let's open up. Let's talk about it so that we heal, so we don't hurt the next person just because we're not fucking whole. The next person I date isn't going to get any of the. The hurtness or the heartbrokenness from my ex because I healed, I fixed myself or I did the best to.

[Raina Greenberg]

I think that's a great place to end.

[Chester]

Yeah. This is really wondering.

[Raina Greenberg]

I appreciate.

[Rick Liordi]

Thanks for having me on.

[Chester]

You guys are good. You're great.

[Raina Greenberg]

This was so fun.

[Chester]

Was this the most fun podcast you've done?

[Rick Liordi]

Yes.

[Raina Greenberg]

Okay.

[Rick Liordi]

Do you know what? Just like in the background story behind it too, like, show me my friends. Like, you going, what, those girls? I was like, yeah, those girls.

[Ashley Hess]

Yeah.

[Rick Liordi]

You guys are great, though. Thank you so much. I love your studio, I love your space. Thank you for having me on. If you guys are ever in Toronto, you guys got to come on mine.

[Chester]

Oh, absolutely. And we love Toronto, so. Oh, I will be in Toronto there.

[Ashley Hess]

My shows in Toronto are July 18th and 19th.

[Raina Greenberg]

Guys get tickets.

[Ashley Hess]

They're going very fast. What do you sold out by now? The Comedy Bar?

[Raina Greenberg]

I have four shows there.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah, Amazing. Okay, so we'll get you online when you come.

[Ashley Hess]

Let's do it.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah, I'll show you around the city.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay, perfect.

[Rick Liordi]

You should come too.

[Chester]

We love Toronto. We love performing there, we love visiting there. We're huge fans, Toronto.

[Rick Liordi]

And I, I. I gotta stop talking about it because I, I do love it to my.

[Ashley Hess]

We all talk about our city.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah, we all do. But I say so I said one of the things, though, like I said, I've said, if you think dating in your hometown is bad, you're part of the problem. So if I think Toronto is bad, that means I'm part of the problem. So I'm going to. One of my goals now is to be part of the solution. So I'm going to do whatever I can to make Toronto to be the.

[Chester]

Change you want to see.

[Rick Liordi]

Yeah. Be the change you want to say. I just want to. I want to make Toronto fun again. I guess I don't.

[Ashley Hess]

I don't know how to say Toronto great again.

[Raina Greenberg]

We'll wear a blue hat.

[Chester]

Well, where can people find your TikTok Instagram book?

[Rick Liordi]

It's your pal Rick on all socials. Your pal Rick. Exactly how it's spelled. The book is our Heartbreak Love on Instagram. The Pals Podcast. Pals podcast. Just like that. So come follow me. Come join me for whatever crazy adventure I'm going to be on and the week this gets released.

[Ashley Hess]

Okay. And come see all of us in July. Toronto on the streets with Drake and girls gotta eat.com for everything that we do. Girls Gotta Eat podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am ashest.com if you want those tickets. Raina israina.greenberg on Instagram subscribe on YouTube Share this Episode with a friend and we will see you Thursday.

[Chester]

Have a good week guys. Bye.