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Arrests made after many fatalities in North Macedonia nightclub fire
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Reports say the fire was started by sparks from pyrotechnic devices hitting the ceiling
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Nick Randall
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Janet Jalil
This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Janet Jalil and in the early hours of Monday 17th March, these are our main stories. Prosecutors in North Macedonia are investigating whether a fire in a nightclub that killed nearly 60 people could be linked to bribery and corruption. The United States says its airstrikes on Saturday killed several Houthi leaders in Yemen. The Trump administration deports more than 200 Venezuelans to El Salvador, despite an order by a US judge banning such a move. Also in this podcast, how a glamorous new soap opera seeks to overturn stereotypes about black Americans.
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Karen Martin
And that's not the experience of most of black America. So that's cool that other people get to experience black excellence, you know. And our drama.
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Janet Jalil
North Macedonia's interior minister says prosecutors are investigating whether corruption and bribery are linked to a fire in a night club that killed 59 people. Panchay Toscovski said the venue in the eastern town of Kochani did not have a legal license to operate. A special team has been set up to look into the cause of the fire in the early hours of Sunday morning, which broke out after a popular band used fireworks during a performance. The flames spread quickly as the ceiling was made of highly flammable material. Our Balkans correspondent Guy Delaunay said sent this report from Cochini.
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Nick Randall
This was the moment when a great night out turned into a disaster. Pyrotechnics ignited on stage as part of the performance by the band DNK in Kochini, a small town about 60 miles to the east of North Macedonia's capital, Skopje. @ first they watched as flames crept across the ceiling while staff tried to put out the fire with extinguishers. But the mood swiftly switched to panic as the blaze intensified. Survivors described the chaos as they fought to escape through the only exit.
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Guy Delaunay
The fire broke out.
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Janet Jalil
Everyone started screaming and shouting, get out. Get out. Unfortunately, there was only one exit. I don't know how, but I ended up on the ground. I couldn't get up. People started stomping on me. I don't know how, but somehow I managed to get out. I'm fine now, but there are many dead. My sister died. I was saved and she wasn't here.
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Nick Randall
In Kochny, police have sealed off access to the Pulse nightclub. It's behind a green and yellow painted hotel on a roundabout on the outskirts of town and it's now considered a crime scene. Liub Solsevski is the public prosecutor. I can guarantee that the investigation will be thorough and fast. We will engage experts from all fields and determine the reasons for the accident and those responsible for it. At the moment, people are being detained and questioned and we cannot disclose any details. The government has held an emergency meeting and declared a week of national mourning. It's also calling for an urgent safety inspection of all clubs and music venues.
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Janet Jalil
Kai Delaunay reporting. The Houthis in Yemen say more than 50 people were killed in U.S. airstrikes on Saturday. Washington says some key Houthi figures were among the dead, but the group hasn't confirmed this. The US Military says it shot down drones launched by the Iranian backed group in response to the strikes. Donald Trump has said he'll hold Iran responsible for the attacks the Houthis are carrying out on commercial shipping. Mohammed Al Bukheti, a member of the Houthis Political Bureau, told the BBC that the US President's actions are likely to further increase tensions in the region.
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Raja Al Mutwakal
This US Aggression on Yemen is unjustified. We did not target the U.S. we targeted the Zionist entity, an entity, entity that did not commit to the ceasefire agreement and continues to besiege the Gaza Strip. We believe that the region is headed towards more escalation and more disruption because of Trump's reckless moves.
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Janet Jalil
Raja Al Mutwakal is a human rights activist based in the Yemeni capital Sana. She told the BBC that people there are now living in fear. We are all worried. We forgot how these explosions and this kind of fear felt. And now we are living this again and we feel it's like just the same. There is nothing different. You know, we didn't feel this. This is different than what happened in 2015. There is no plan. It's just like a revenge. Our diplomatic correspondent Paul Adams says Saturday's attacks went beyond previous American, British and Israeli raids.
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Mike Waltz
For the first time, elements of the Houthi leadership were targeted in the capital, Sanaa and elsewhere. Mike Waltz, Donald Trump's national security adviser, said several key Houthi figures were killed. The Defense secretary, Pete Hegseth, said the attacks would continue until the Houthis stopped targeting shipping in the Red Sea, something they'd been threatening to resume. And he said Iran had been enabling the Houthis for far too long. The Houthis have yet to confirm that any of their leaders were killed. A spokesman called the attacks unjustified and said President Trump was being reckless. He Iran was furious, too. The head of the Revolutionary Guard warned of a severe response to any threat levelled at his country, while the foreign minister, Abbas Arakchi, said the US had no business dictating Iranian policy. Yesterday's attacks were a warning. After last year's devastating blows against Tehran's other allies and proxies across the Middle East, Hamas in Gaza, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and the Assad regime in Syria, Washington may now want the Houthis to feel that they could be next.
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Janet Jalil
Paul Adams the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he'll sack the head of the internal security agency, Shin Bet. Mr. Netanyahu said that in the middle of a war, he needed to have confidence in the leader of Shin Bet, but instead he had what he called an ongoing distrust of Ronan Barr.
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Paul Henley
We're in the midst of a war for our very existence, a war on seven fronts. At all times. But especially in such an existential war, there must be full trust between the prime minister and the head of the Shin Bet.
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Janet Jalil
But unfortunately, the situation is the opposite. I do not have such trust.
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Paul Henley
I have ongoing mistrust in the head of the Shin Bet, which has increased over time.
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Janet Jalil
A move to terminate the Shin Bet chief's position will be brought before the Israeli government later this week. Paul Henley spoke to the legal affairs correspondent for the Times of Israel, Jeremy Sharon. He began by asking him what. What lies behind the Israeli prime minister's desire to fire the head of the country's domestic security agency?
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Jeremy Sharon
There's two reasons which are being put forth by the two different camps in Israel. The one is by Netanyahu, whose reason for saying he wants to fire the head of the Shin Bet is that he doesn't trust him anymore, meaning he has no faith in his ability to do the job. And on the other side of the aisle, there are the opposition parties and other critics who are saying that there's a very serious investigation against AIDS to Prime Minister Netanyahu about their connections to Qatar during a time of war when Qatar has close ties to Hamas, and those aides are suspected of being involved in efforts to improve Qatar's image in Israel, and that therefore, the Shin Bet is involved in this investigation into those ties within the prime minister's office. And therefore, that's the reason why Netanyahu is moving against one enbar at this time. You know, that's the two reasons that we're being presented with at the moment.
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Nick Randall
The Attorney General has said that she was not consulted altered on this decision. Why is that significant?
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Jeremy Sharon
Well, you know, according to the law, it is actually the government, as in the Cabinet, which is entitled to appoint and dismiss the head of the Shin Bet. The Attorney General, you know, she is the ultimate arbiter for the government of what is legal, what is a legal government action. And she's saying that Israeli law and precedent in the courts means that the government can't just fire a senior official like the head of the Shin Bet at will. It has to provide a substantive reason to do so. And she's saying first the government needs to provide that reason to her before she can say whether or not she believes that's a legal and lawful decision.
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Janet Jalil
The legal affairs correspondent for the Times of Israel, Jeremy Sharon. The US has deported more than 250 mainly Venezuelan alleged gang members to El Salvador by invoking a rarely used, centuries old wartime law. The deportations took place despite a federal judge's order to halt the flights. The US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, said he wanted to express his gratitude to El Salvador's President, Nayib Bukele, for playing a pivotal role in ridding the US of violent criminals and that El Salvador would hold the prisoners in, quote, very good jails at a fair price. I asked our Americas editor, Leonardo Rocha, why the Trump administration had gone ahead with the deportations despite the judge's ruling.
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Raja Al Mutwakal
President Trump is determined to go ahead with his policies or the measures that he has signed into law, or some special decrees that he signed have been challenged in court, and he's going ahead with them. I think he's very defiant and very determined. Here he is using a law from, I believe, from the 18th century about invasion of American borders to say that these foreign gangs are a threat to America in the same way that the foreign army was. He's gone ahead with it, and from day one, he's very determined to, as he put it, stop the flow of mass migration. Have to bear in mind also that his Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, is of a Cuban family from Florida, and he not only speaks Spanish fluently, but he's very aware of the situation in Latin America. And I think that's a priority of the Trump administration there.
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Janet Jalil
And why have these mostly Venezuelan migrants been sent to El Salvador?
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Raja Al Mutwakal
It's for a couple of reasons. First, the President of El Salvador, Nayibe Bukele, is a young right wing politician, enthusiastic, very supportive of the Trump policies. He said he was willing to take them the United States apparently agreed to pay $20,000 per prisoner per year for him to house them in El Salvador. And there's also another reason is the fact that Venezuela has a socialist, a left wing government that's been subjected to sanctions by the United States. So they're refusing to take deportees from the United States. There was a sort of good start between President Maduro and the Trump administration, but since then, Trump administration has issued new sanctions against the Venezuelan government and they have stopped. So what I see here is President Trump imposing his policies. He needs third countries to accept these migrants. And El Salvador is the only country that has agreed to accept convicted criminals or people accused of belonging to criminal gangs.
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Janet Jalil
Leonardo Rocha the prospect of coming back home to planet Earth is now a little bit closer for two astronauts who've been stranded on the International Space station station for nine months. A SpaceX capsule carrying a new crew has docked at the ISS, paving the way for Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams to finally return home. They were only supposed to be on the station for eight days, but technical issues with the experimental spacecraft they arrived on meant they couldn't leave until this week. Our science editor Rebecca Morell reports.
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Raja Al Mutwakal
Hands off Dragon Contact and soft capture complete.
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Janet Jalil
After the spacecraft docked, the hatch opened and the four new astronauts floated on board the International Space Station. The arrival of this replacement crew marks the beginning of the end for Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams. Extended mission the NASA astronauts have been on the space station since June and were only supposed to stay for just over a week. But the spacecraft they arrived on, made by aerospace company Boeing, suffered technical problems, so NASA had to find another way to get the astronauts home. They opted for the next scheduled SpaceX flight, extending Butch and Sonny's mission until now. The pair will now spend the next few days handing over to the new crew before they can finally begin their journey back. Rebecca Morell, well, for more on what it's like to spend a long time on the International Space Station, Paul Henley spoke to Colonel Katie Coleman, a retired NASA astronaut. She's a veteran of two space shuttle missions and she flew back from the station in 2011 after spending 159 days there. Paul asked her about her time on board the ISS.
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Karen Martin
I would have spent another 159 if I could have.
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Nick Randall
You were excited enough by this experience. What about witnessing this? Well, you could call it a rescue, at least a relief for those who want to go back home.
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Karen Martin
Actually, I cannot call it a rescue in that, you know, we try to stick to the facts and they've had this, this crew, Sonny and Butch. There's a ship that came up in September with two empty seats just for them. That SpaceX 9 spaceship has been attached space station this whole time. So they could have left at any time and especially in an emergency. So it's not a rescue, it's a regularly scheduled part of the operations. But that's actually the magical part, which is that dedication to mission. The fact that, you know, knowing what you're doing up there is so important, it's so fulfilling. It even does overcome the fact that your, your family is taking up a lot of your slack for you and, and you miss each other greatly.
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Nick Randall
We hear that training takes over in these circumstances, but the routine of life on board must get, frankly, at times boring, doesn't it?
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Karen Martin
I can barely speak when you ask me that, in that, you know, it might depend on the person. I have not yet met an astronaut who was bored up there. Because every day is different. I mean, even if you. We actually barely have time to look out the window. But when you do look out the window, you think in a way, I mean, I think I went around the earth more than 4,000 times. And it's different every time. You're seeing someplace that's interesting to you, or maybe it's home to you, but you're seeing it in a different light, in a different season, and it just never, you know, that vantage point. And you're always kind of looking with other people's eyes as well.
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Nick Randall
You are surrounded by other people's eyes as well. Is privacy not an issue?
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Karen Martin
It's the size of two 747s inside. So there's about 10 modules. They're all connected kind of in a line, but some are up and some are down or sideways. But each of them is the size of a subway car without the seats in it. I keep trying to get you this.
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Nick Randall
To see a downer of this experience, and I'm not managing. But there are effects on your health, aren't there? There's muscle wasting, there's a deterioration of your vision. What might these two astronauts who are coming home find difficult on their return to Earth?
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Karen Martin
Well, those things that you talked about, definitely we are seeing some of that, I would say, in terms of muscle wasting, that does happen. We lose bone about 10 times faster than someone who has osteoporosis. But here's kind of the good and the bad news is that due to the experiments we're doing up, because it happens so fast, we're easily studied. And it turns out exercise is here to stay and that it really works to maintain bone health. So that's working out. Although each of us has a physical every year the rest of our lives if we are willing to go to NASA to have it.
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Janet Jalil
That was Colonel Cady Coleman, a retired NASA astronaut.
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Mickey Bristow
Still to come, essentially, China's got 1.4 billion people, but it's aging rapidly. And the government believes there simply aren't enough young people to pay for the ever growing number of pensioners.
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Janet Jalil
Now, authorities in one Chinese city are offering couples a huge financial reward to have more babies. But will it work? You're listening to the global news podcast. The number of people killed by tornadoes that have been tearing through southern and central parts of the United States since Friday has now risen to at least 36. The storms have caused mass pile ups, flattened homes, fueled wildfires, and left hundreds of thousands of people without power. Jericho McCoy in Mississippi described her family's terror as a tornado hit their home.
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Karen Martin
We went through Katrina, but we've never experienced anything like this. I grabbed my toddler, wrapped her up and got on the bed and then my husband grabbed my daughter. All I could hear is my six year old screaming that she didn't want to die. You know, and you don't want to hear that coming out of your baby's mouth. And you know, my husband saying, please, God, let my family be okay. Please God, please God, please God.
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Janet Jalil
A state of emergency has been declared in a number of states, including Arkansas, Georgia and Oklahoma, where more than a hundred wildfires are raging. I heard more from our US Correspondent Merlin Thomas.
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Paul Henley
There are several states which have issued a tornado watch from the National Weather Service, including Georgia, Florida and even Pennsylvania. That's for Sunday. And it's really a deadly mix of violent tornadoes, high winds, large hail and blinding dust storms which have created this concoction of this large weather system moving across large parts of the United States. And as you said, the death toll is still climbing. And responders and local authorities are still assessing the damage from the number of the tornadoes that have hit. And it appears that Missouri has borne the brunt of the storm that suffered most of the fatalities. But other states like Kansas have also seen dust storms because of those high winds and dry, parched ground. And also we've seen car pileups of at least 50 vehicles, as you said, in states like Kansas, which have also caused some fatalities, too.
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Janet Jalil
And we've also seen dozens and dozens of wildfires just weeks after the Los Angeles fires.
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Paul Henley
Absolutely. Those kind of scenes, of apocalyptic scenes, really very reminiscent of what we saw in Los Angeles, of those wildfires. We've seen videos circulating online of houses being consumed by flames. And the remains of houses you can see in kind of drone footage are just charred land and homes which have barely been spared and now little more than rubble. And more than 130 fires have been reported across Oklahoma. That appears to be where most of the wildfires have been. And it's because it seems the fire fires were fueled by high winds mixed with a combination of that dry, parched land. And there's still an elevated fire threat for some other states, including Texas and Nebraska and South Dakota. And the worst may still yet be to come because they've still issued some of those for Monday and Tuesday too.
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Janet Jalil
Merlin Thomas staying in the US and protests have erupted at Tesla facilities across the country as anger grows against its CEO Elon Musk for his federal cost cutting role in the US government. Mr. Musk is running the so called Department of Government Efficiency, commonly known as Doge, which has slashed thousands of government jobs. That sparked a backlash with many consumers in the US and abroad boycotting Tesla. Reagan Morris attended a protest in Burbank, California and sent this report.
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Karen Martin
Elon Musk is not elected. Democracy must be protected.
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Guy Delaunay
The growing political influence of Elon Musk Musk, the world's richest man, has sparked a wave of protests outside Tesla facilities in the United States.
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Karen Martin
I would like to run Musk out of business.
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Guy Delaunay
Critics call him President Musk and say the billionaire has too much power in the White House. As President Trump's chief cost cutting adviser, Musk has been instrumental in firing thousands of government workers and canceling humanitarian aid contracts around the world. Musk is also the CEO of Tesla and protesters are urging people to ditch their stock in the company and to stop driving their cars.
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Karen Martin
Had a 2021 Tesla and about two years ago I put on a bumper sticker that said bought this car before we knew.
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Guy Delaunay
Karen Rabwin protested two days after selling her Tesla.
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Karen Martin
People on the freeway would drive by and honk and give me a thumbs up. And I loved it until a couple weeks ago. And I said, no, I can't do this anymore. How could I drive that car? I believe I have principles.
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Guy Delaunay
So it felt like a stigma.
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Karen Martin
It was a horrible stigma. But it was also showing the world that I was supporting something that I wasn't, that I wasn't behind.
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Guy Delaunay
Was it easy to sell and did you get a good deal?
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Karen Martin
We actually did it at the Cadillac dealer. We traded it in. We did not get as much as we could have, but I didn't want to drive that car another day.
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Guy Delaunay
And you've got kind of a, I'd say maybe a Shepherd Fairey influenced Elon poster with a big X through his face.
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Karen Martin
Trying to do something that can be.
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Brandon Drennan
Reproduced and all that and spread, you.
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Janet Jalil
Know, make people wake up.
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Karen Martin
We're either a nightmare or a dream.
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Janet Jalil
And I just want people to wake up and see what Elon is doing.
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Brandon Drennan
So that's why I'm here.
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Guy Delaunay
So many Americans are admiring what Doge is doing and are supportive of it.
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Janet Jalil
I don't know about that. I don't, I don't think the people feel the same way.
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Karen Martin
I mean, if they didn't feel the.
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Brandon Drennan
Same way, they wouldn't be here.
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Guy Delaunay
Most Tesla takedown protests have been peaceful, but a few have been destructive, with fires intentionally set at Tesla showrooms and charging stations. And there's also been a spike in cyber truck vandalism across the country. While Elon Musk's social media platform X is full of videos showing happy cybertruck owners marveling at the futuristic looking vehicles, the site is also full of videos calling cybertrucks swastikars and deplorians, showing the vehicles emblazoned with swastikas or anti Musk graffiti. This is beautiful. Whoa, should I get in? But Musk and Tesla have many devoted supporters, including President Trump, who used the White House as a backdrop to buy a bright red Tesla this week in front of the cameras. Who else but this guy would design this? And everybody on the road is looking at it. It's amazing, actually. As soon as I saw it, I said, that is the coolest design. President Trump said violence against Tesla owners and dealerships would be labeled domestic terrorism. And no, we're going to catch him. And let me tell you, you do it to Tesla and you do it to, to any company, we're going to catch you and you're going to, you're going to go through hell. Elon Musk has billions of dollars worth of contracts with the US Government, mostly with NASA and the Defense Department through his company SpaceX. But unlike SpaceX, Tesla is a publicly traded company and the boycott is working. Tesla stock price surged after Donald Trump. Trump was elected with Elon Musk by his side. But Tesla shares have since plunged in value, and driving one of their electric vehicles is now increasingly seen as a political statement.
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Janet Jalil
Reagan Morris reporting. A decade ago, China scrapped its one child policy that had for decades meted out severe punishments, including forced abortions to parents who had more than one baby. But despite China lifting the limit to two, then three children amid concerns about how rapidly its population is aging, this has failed to lead to a sustained rise in births. Now a city in northern China has decided to offer couples who already have two children a big financial reward to have another one. Mickey Bristow is our Asia Pacific editor.
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Mickey Bristow
Essentially, for the last couple of years, the central government has been trying to persuade local governments across China to provide incentives for people to have more children. Essentially, China's got 1.4 billion people, but it's aging rapidly. And the government believes there simply aren't enough young people to pay for the ever growing number of pensioners. So across the country, there's a patchwork of incentives being offered. This particular case or this particular incentive is in the city of Ho Hot in Inner Mongolia, that's a northern region of China. And there offering couples an enormous amount of money, really nearly US$14,000 for their third child and any other children that they have. This money will be paid over 10 years in 10 equal annual instalments. And just to give you an idea of exactly how much money this is, it's about twice as much as the annual disposable income that people have in this particular place. So really a lot of money.
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Janet Jalil
And the big question is, will it work?
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Mickey Bristow
Well, it hasn't so far across China, birth rates have been falling and the number of babies being born has been falling for a number of years. There was a slight uptick last year, but that's to do with a specific reason. It was the year of the dragon last year, and lots of parents like to have children in that that year. But generally speaking, it's on a downward curve. And that's partly because the one child policy, which existed until about a decade ago, was really successful to persuade Chinese people that really there was too many Chinese people and they parents ought to have fewer children and they were forced to have fewer children. That policy was so successful that to suddenly turn it around and try and persuade people to have more children now it's not really working.
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Janet Jalil
MICKEY Bristow. Now to a new US Soap opera which is being described as a slap in the face for Donald Trump. The daytime soap is called beyond the Gates, and it's about the glamorous lives of a wealthy black community. It started airing at a time when the Trump administration is trying to end all diversity, equity and inclusion efforts. Known as dei, the show is set in a fictional upmarket part of the state of Maryland, inspired by the very real exclusive Maryland enclave inside Prince George's County. Brandon Drennan went to visit it.
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Brandon Drennan
Prince George's county is one of the wealthiest black majority districts in the U.S. the Woodmore Country Club and its attached gated community are the heart of the area's upper crust. I am taking a tour of the golf club in style on a golf cart. The parking lot is filled with Mercedes Benzes and Teslas. The vast rolling hills of the golf course stretch as far as the eye can see. Sierra Balgar is a regular here. She also hosts events at the Woodmoor for her Women of Color Social Club club called City Girls Golf.
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Karen Martin
Government Girls Golf.
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Brandon Drennan
She moved to the county from New York in 2023.
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Karen Martin
So I'm actually coming from New York.
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Paul Henley
And it was kind of like the.
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Karen Martin
Culture shock for me to see like black people with like these mega houses.
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Brandon Drennan
The country club setting has Inspired a new TV production called beyond the Gates.
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Jeremy Sharon
Good morning, Mrs. Dupree.
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Guy Delaunay
Have you spoken to Dan?
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Karen Martin
Danny was blindsided by Bill and Haley's Affair.
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Brandon Drennan
In the past, wealthy black families have been portrayed in sitcoms like the Fresh Prince of Bel Air or primetime dramas like Empire. But beyond the Gates is the first hour long daytime soap opera starring a black family. And it comes amid a backlash spearheaded by President Trump's efforts against diversity, equity and inclusion.
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Karen Martin
President Trump signed an executive order giving agencies 60 days to terminate all DEI positions.
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Guy Delaunay
Our country is going to be based on merit again.
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Mike Waltz
Can you believe it?
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Brandon Drennan
Kristen Warner is a media professor at Cornell University.
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Karen Martin
It still is exciting and the idea that even in the midst of everything being taken away, we have this one little moment where there is something for us. It's an exciting project. It also is really scary right now because they have to walk this tightrope. And how are you both able to be resonant to black audiences but also non black audiences? How do you balance that? And that's not a thing that the other soap operas ever had to think about.
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Brandon Drennan
But Hope Wiseman, who grew up in Woodmore, is pleased to see the new soap opera depicting her community.
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Karen Martin
Everyone's super excited to see our area depicted in a positive light with, with, you know, black wealth portrayed in a way that is, that is relevant to us. A lot of people don't understand what it's like to grow up around and what it's like to operate in an environment where there's black excellence all around you. And that's not the experience of most of black America. So that's cool that other people get to experience black excellence, you know, and.
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Paul Henley
Kind of of our drama Prince George's.
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Janet Jalil
County resident Hope Wiseman. Ending that report by Brandon Drennan. And that's all from us for now. But there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcastbc.co.uk this edition was mixed by Nick Randall. The producer was Liam McSheffer. Jeffrey the editor is Karen Martin. I'm Janet Jalil. Until next time. Goodbye.