First batch of Epstein files released

Summary

Global News Podcast (BBC World Service)

Episode Title: First batch of Epstein files released
Date: December 20, 2025
Host: Paul Moss

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Episode Overview

This episode of the Global News Podcast centers on the release of over 300,000 documents and media files related to the Jeffrey Epstein investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice. It probes the content and implications of the so-called "Epstein files," their redacted nature, and the reactions from victims, politicians, and legal experts. The episode also covers major international stories including U.S. military strikes on Islamic State targets in Syria, political unrest and youth movements in South Korea, allegations of abuse of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli detention, Ukraine’s shift in military strategy, and Rome’s plan to introduce an entrance fee for the Trevi Fountain. Additionally, a lost Tennessee Williams radio play is discussed.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Epstein Files: Release and Response

Main story introduction ([01:39])

• The U.S. Department of Justice released over 300,000 documents, photographs, and video recordings related to Jeffrey Epstein—late financier and convicted sex offender.
• Notable individuals are pictured in the files, including Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Mick Jagger, Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, and Donald Trump—all of whom appear in social/socialite settings.

Lack of Context and Redactions ([03:43])

• Many images and documents are heavily redacted: "What's frustrating for those trying to learn anything from these files is that the photographs have no dates or locations, no context at all. Much of it is, in any case, redacted. Faces covered up, whole chunks of text blacked out." —Paul Moss ([03:43])
• DOJ cites the need to protect over 1200 identified victims’ identities.

Survivor Reactions ([04:31])

• Marina Lacerda, Epstein survivor: "We waited for this day. We are a little bit disappointed that they're now still lingering on and... distracting us with other things." —via BBC Announcer ([04:31])
• Concerns about continued redactions and the slow release of files.

Vindication and Regret ([05:17])

• Maria Farmer’s 1996 complaints about Epstein found in files; her lawyer, Jennifer Freeman, states: "Had the FBI just listened to her... over a thousand victims could have been spared and 30 years of trauma avoided. It really is tragic." ([05:17])

Media Reaction and Political Fallout ([05:36]–[09:27])

• Peter Bowes summarizes initial findings: heavy attention on Bill Clinton due to photos and the timing of Trump’s call to investigate Clinton.
  • "One of the more chilling lines... a caller... left two messages for Epstein, identical, saying I have a female for him. Now we have no further context to that, but the words knowing what we know now clearly are deeply disturbing." —Peter Bowes ([07:09])
• Reference to Donald Trump being introduced to a 14-year-old girl at Mar-a-Lago noted, but with no suggestion of wrongdoing ([07:24]).
• Broad political dissatisfaction: Both Democrats and Republicans accuse the DOJ of incomplete compliance with the Epstein Files Transparency Act.
  • "A spokesperson for Senator Dick Durbin... has accused the Justice Department of failing to fully comply with the law." —Peter Bowes ([08:38])
  • Rep. Thomas Massie claims "the Justice Department has grossly violated its legal obligations." ([09:19])
• Trump supporters, some described as conspiracy theorists, remain unsatisfied: "I don't think they're going to be satisfied at all... since the release, President Trump has had nothing to say." —Peter Bowes ([09:43])

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2. U.S. Strikes on Islamic State in Syria ([10:05]–[13:10])

• Retaliation for the killing of two U.S. soldiers. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth calls the operation a “declaration of vengeance.”
• Mouaz Mustafa (Syrian Emergency Task Force) details that the strikes were based on intelligence gained from recent joint operations.
  • "With those that were detained, they were interrogated and with that intel... we see the strikes based on the intel..." —Mouaz Mustafa ([10:49])
• Ongoing U.S. and Syrian engagements predicted, especially in the Badia desert area.
  • "I think we will definitely continue to see continued US Action..." ([11:35])
• Discussion on how the fall of the Assad regime in Syria shifted the dynamics against ISIS.

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3. South Korea’s Political Division: The Yoon Suk Yeol Movement ([13:10]–[17:16])

• Report from Jake Kwon on revived youth support for Yoon Suk Yeol, the imprisoned ex-president who attempted to declare martial law.
• Cites rise of far-right groups among young Koreans, anti-China sentiment, and protests styled after the U.S. MAGA movement.
  • Park Joon Young: "Korean people's rights are being stolen, our sovereignty is at risk and the Chinese are coming in without visa and crimes are becoming frequent." ([15:21])
• Despite official refutations, these youth rallies grow, inspired by U.S. political trends.

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4. Allegations of Abuse Against Palestinian Prisoners ([21:27]–[28:37])

• BBC’s John Donison reports on Palestinian detainees’ allegations of beatings and sexual abuse in Israeli prisons.
• Sami Al Saeed, former journalist: "They were laughing and enjoying it. The guard asked me, are you enjoying this? We want to play with you and bring your wife, your sister, your mother and friends here too." ([22:43])
• Other allegations include use of dogs for intimidation and humiliation, and repeated, systematic sexual abuse.
• Israeli prison authorities deny the claims; an opinion poll finds most Israelis do not support investigations into soldiers who abuse Palestinian detainees.

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5. Ukraine's Military Shift: Striking a Russian Oil Tanker ([28:37]–[32:01])

• Ukraine strikes a Russian oil tanker in the Mediterranean, a sign of their expanding ability and willingness to hit Russian assets far from their territory.
  • "What Ukraine seems to have calculated is that... Ukraine has the right or indeed the urgency to do this because it needs to show that it can harm Russia if this war continues." —Elizabeth Brohr ([30:05])
• Brohr notes that this shows "there is no certainty that that oil will reach its destination" now that Ukraine is taking these actions. ([31:10])

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6. Rome’s Trevi Fountain Entrance Fee ([32:01]–[34:09])

• Rome introduces a €2 entrance fee for close access to Trevi Fountain from February 2026 to curb over-tourism and fund upkeep.
  • Mixed reactions from the public:
    • "I think it's fine to pay because it will add to cleanliness. It will help them. The money will help them." —Visitor ([33:31])
    • "I think it's a shame because it should be a free attraction, being one of the most important monuments in Rome." —Visitor ([33:59])

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7. A Lost Tennessee Williams Radio Play Discovered ([34:09]–[36:35])

• The script found in a university archive; believed to be the playwright's first complete radio play.
• Andrew Gully (Strand Magazine editor) on the moment of discovery: "I think I hit the jackpot because it was complete, it was fantastic, a great work of horror." ([35:26])
• The play, written in Williams’ 20s, is seen as formative to his later career.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the value (and limits) of the Epstein file release:
  • "Being in a photograph with someone or being close friends with them does not in itself constitute wrongdoing." —Paul Moss ([02:19])
  • "Had the FBI just listened to her... 30 years of trauma could have been avoided." —Jennifer Freeman ([05:22])
  • "One of the more chilling lines... I have a female for him." —Peter Bowes ([07:09])
• Survivors’ continuing pain:
  • "It's very nerve wracking for all of us." —Marina Lacerda ([04:31])
• Political dissatisfaction:
  • “The Justice Department has grossly violated its legal obligations.” —Rep. Thomas Massie ([09:19])
• Roman tourism debate:
  • “It should be a free attraction, being one of the most important monuments in Rome.” —Tourist ([33:59])
• On rediscovering Tennessee Williams:
  • "I think I hit the jackpot... it was complete, it was fantastic, a great work of horror." —Andrew Gully ([35:26])

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Main headlines: [01:39]
• Epstein Files deep dive: [02:19]–[10:05]
• US Syria strikes: [10:05]–[13:10]
• South Korea youth movement: [13:10]–[17:16]
• Abuse allegations in Israeli jails: [21:27]–[28:37]
• Ukraine's distant strike: [28:37]–[32:01]
• Trevi Fountain entrance fee debate: [32:01]–[34:09]
• Lost Tennessee Williams play: [34:09]–[36:35]

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Summary

This episode offers thorough, timely coverage of global breaking news, with a special focus on the U.S. release of the Epstein investigation files—highlighting both what’s revealed and what remains frustratingly hidden. The episode is marked by direct voices of victims and legal experts, a clear view into U.S. and global political reactions, and insightful reporting into evolving international conflicts and societal issues, capturing not just facts but underlying tensions and transitions shaping current affairs.

Transcript

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This is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Paul Moss and in the early hours of Saturday 20th December, these are our main stories. The US has released 300,000 official documents, photographs and video recordings relating to Jeffrey Epstein. American forces have struck suspected Islamic State targets in Syria. And the BBC has heard claims from Palestinian prisoners that they were sexually abused while in Israeli custody.

[Elizabeth Brohr]

Also in this program, he's going upstairs without a light.

[BBC Announcer]

Yes, he likes to move around in the dark, poor man.

[Paul Moss]

More than four decades after his death, a radio play written by Tennessee Williams is heard for the first time. So Bill Clinton is in a hot tub. Britain's former Prince Andrew is stretched across the laps of what look to be five women. And the photographs released as part of the Epstein files also show Mick Jagger and Ghislaine Maxwell at a dinner table, while Michael Jackson and Diana Ross also put in an appearance. The U.S. justice Department released more than 300,000 pages from its investigations into Epstein, the late financier and convicted sex offender. Not just photographs, but also audio recordings and documents about the original criminal case against Epstein. Now, to be very clear, being in a photograph with someone or being close friends with them does not in itself constitute wrongdoing. And indeed, that's the argument that has been made consistently by President Trump. He, of course, appears in that much viewed video clip, apparently laughing and joking with Epstein at a social event. But he dismissed the importance of a previous batch of photographs released just a week ago.

[Sean Lay]

I haven't seen it, but, I mean.

[Mouaz Mustafa]

Everybody knew this man.

[Sean Lay]

He was all over Palm Beach. He has photos with everybody.

[Mouaz Mustafa]

I mean, almost there are hundreds and.

[Sean Lay]

Hundreds of people that have photos with him.

[Mouaz Mustafa]

So that's no big deal.

[Sean Lay]

I know nothing about it.

[Paul Moss]

What's frustrating for those trying to learn anything from these files is that the photographs have no dates or locations, no context at all. Much of it is, in any case, redacted. Faces covered up, whole chunks of text blacked out. The Justice Department says it's identified more than 1200 Epstein victims or their relatives. And that explains it says, why the files have been so heavily redacted to protect these people's identities. Democrats have blasted this limited release, saying the Justice Department's choice is unlawful. And Epstein's victims have expressed similar frustrations. Marina Lacerda was just 14 when she was first groomed and abused by Epstein in New York. She's chosen to waive her rights to anonymity and expressed her doubts.

[BBC Announcer]

We waited for this day. We waited for this moment. And we are a little bit disappointed that they're now still lingering on and, you know, distracting us with other things. Some of the survivors are, you know, still nervous and skeptical about how they are going to release the rest of the files. We are very worried that it will still be redacted in the same way that it was today. It's very nerve wracking for all of us.

[Paul Moss]

Within the thousands of files, one Epstein accuser found a sense of vindication. Maria Farmer, who reported on him as early as 1996 for child pornography, found her complaint to the FBI in the files made years before any investigation into the financier began. Jennifer Freeman is her lawyer.

[BBC Announcer]

Had the FBI just listened to her.

[Elizabeth Brohr]

And paid attention that over a thousand.

[BBC Announcer]

Victims could have been spared and 30 years of trauma avoided. It really is tragic.

[Paul Moss]

So what have we actually learned so far from these documents? Our North America correspondent, Peter Bowes is one of many who've been sifting through them.

[Peter Bowes]

I've got to say, first of all, it has been quite a task sifting through these documents. There are many, many pages to go through, and that process is still ongoing. I think one thing that really did draw my attention was this focus on Bill Clinton. As you've mentioned several photographs, one of in a hot tub. It's been notable how the White House or at least some of its officials have actually responded. Posting online, the White House press secretary just commenting, oh my. And the reason that the mention of Bill Clinton's name jumps out is the timing. A few weeks ago, President Trump called on his Justice Department to look into Bill Clinton's involvement and relationship with with Epstein. The Attorney General, Pam Bondi, announced a formal government investigation shortly thereafter. Now a spokesperson for Bill Clinton has responded to this saying that it isn't about Bill Clinton, never has and never will be, and goes on to say that there are two types of people. The first group knew nothing and cut Epstein off before his crimes came to light. The second group continued relationships with him. And afterwards we're in the first, the statement says, and I think more generally some of the other photographs that are published here, reminders of the star studded circles that Epstein moved in. One other thing I'll mention, it's one of the more chilling lines of text from phone messages. Phone logs from 2004 and 2005. A caller whose name remains redacted left two messages for Epstein, identical, saying I have a female for him. Now we have no further context to that, but the words knowing what we know now clearly are deeply disturbing.

[Paul Moss]

There is also a reference to Donald Trump being introduced to a 14 year old girl. I should stress no suggestion of anything more than that of anything improper or illegal. But what did you make of that?

[Peter Bowes]

Well, yes, he allegedly introduced a 14 year old girl to Donald Trump at Mar A Lago president's home in Florida. This is according to court documents which were part of this huge batch of materials just released. And during the alleged encounter in the 1990s, Epstein allegedly elbowed Donald Trump and playfully asked him in a reference to the girl. This is a good one. Rights. Now this quotation and this information has previously been made public because it was part of a lawsuit against Epstein's estate and Ghislaine Maxwell back in 2020. And as you say, there is no suggestion that Donald Trump did anything wrong and hasn't been accused of anything. But it is certainly a reference to the current sitting president.

[Paul Moss]

We heard earlier the reaction of disappointment, I suppose, from the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. Is that the general tenor of reaction to this release in political circles as well?

[Peter Bowes]

Yeah, disappointment might be putting it mildly. I would say there's a lot of anger with the way that this has unfolded and I just mentioned a few of the sort of political responses. A spokesperson for Senator Dick Durbin, who is the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, has accused the Justice Department of failing to fully comply with the law, the law being the Epstein Files Transparency Act. By not releasing everything. Democratic Senator Adam Schiff says, I think we ought to bring Pam Bondi, the Attorney General before the Senate Judiciary Committee to demand answers. And then perhaps even more significantly, the Republican Congressman Thomas Massie, who co authored the OR that ordered the release of these files in full. He says the Justice Department has grossly violated its legal obligations.

[Paul Moss]

Donald Trump was under a lot of pressure to get these documents released by his own people, his own supporters, many of whom are perhaps I could say conspiracy theorists who were convinced there was a cover up going on. Do you think they're going to be satisfied by the release that's happened now?

[Peter Bowes]

I don't think they're going to be satisfied at all. And they've been increasingly outspoken in recent weeks and months. It's noticeable that since the release, President Trump has had nothing to say. And generally that's what he does. As he's leaving the White House, getting onto a helicopter, he usually has a few words with the press. He didn't have anything to say over the last few hours when he was given the opportunity.

[Paul Moss]

Peter Bose While many were still poring through the contents of those newly released files, the US Announced it had launched a wave of strikes against the Islamic State group in Syria. This President Trump says was in retaliation for the killing of two American soldiers in the country last week. The U.S. defense secretary, Pete Hegseth said the operation was not the beginning of a war, instead calling it a declaration of vengeance intended to eliminate fighters and weapons. The military said more than 70 targets had been hit. Mouaz Mustafa is the executive director of the U. S based organization the Syrian Emergency Task Force. He told the BBC's Claire Richardson that the Americans response came as no surprise.

[Mouaz Mustafa]

I think that this was something that was being built up for over the past week. As soon as the terrorist attack by the ISIS lone wolf happened on the 13th, on that Saturday, the next day, joint Syrian American military and security operations started. They did about 10, at least. In those they were able to arrest or kill 23 ISIS terrorists, but also confiscate a lot of computers, phones, electronic equipment. With those that were detained, they were interrogated and with that intel that came out of these raids and today we see the strikes based on the intel that was collected in all of these, over a dozen raids that happened during this time period.

[BBC Announcer]

So do you think this is, this is a One and done. This strike is the retaliation that Donald Trump says it is, or will we continue to see US Action against this?

[Mouaz Mustafa]

I think we will definitely continue to see continued US Action and Syrian government forces action, especially in the Badia area. So the Badia area, which is also this desert area in Syria, it goes over multiple governorates, including Palmyra, where the terrorist attack happened in this area, are the last remnants of isis. And so I think what we're going to see is continued raids and continued strike against any ISIS targets based on all the intel that they get in.

[BBC Announcer]

I think an important point we should just note is that IS itself has not actually claimed responsibility for the attack on the soldiers, but US Intelligence was pointing in that direction. How has the fall of the Assad regime in Syria influenced the way that the group is able to operate?

[Mouaz Mustafa]

The Assad regime's presence in Syria was really important to ISIS in the sense it was a great propaganda recruiting tool. Right. People are being tortured to death and civilians are getting bombed. Come join us. But when people came, they realized ISIS is a terrorist organization that wanted to kill everybody that didn't believe in its insane ideology. With Assad falling Damascus, which was an enemy, an adversary of the United States and in the sphere of influence of Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Hezbollah, what have you became an ally over the United States and a partner in the fight against isis. Another thing that's important to note is that the current Syrian government and Syrian government forces, they've had to fight against ISIS for years without US Weapons, intelligence, funding, air power. Today you have people that have the expertise and experience in fighting ISIS and understand their thinking, combined with the greatest military in the world, which is the United States military. So I think ISIS really fears what's happening. That's why they lashed out.

[Paul Moss]

Moaz Mustafa from the Syrian Emergency Task Force. When South Korea's then president Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law a year ago, many in the country feared for the future of its democracy. In the end, the coup failed. Mr. Yoon ended up in prison rather than in office. And yet 12 months on, he seems to be finding new fans, particularly among young, disaffected people. Earlier in December, Thousands in their twenties and thirties came out on the street defending Mr. Yoon's actions and demanding his release from prison. Our Seoul correspondent, Jake Kwon sent us this report.

[Sean Lay]

I'm standing in front of the iconic Gwanghwamun Gate, where South Korean people gather every weekend to protest. And in front me are thousands of people here waving South Korean flag and waving a sign that says Release Yoon Seok Yeol and martial law was justified. It really has this air of a festival rather than a political rally. They have food trucks, photo booths, singers and dancers. One booth invited people to a mock presidential podium to declare martial law, like Mr. Yun had done last year. December. In the middle of the night, Mr. Yun had put the country under military rule. He'd made baseless claims that Chinese spies have stolen past elections and that the opposition party was complicit. When Mr. Yun was eventually removed from the office and jailed, it was considered his political death. But now he has a new life among these young people as a hero who opposed the Chinese takeover. This is Park Joon Young, the leader of Freedom University. He and his group of far right students are behind these pro Yoon anti China rallies. Korean people's rights are being stolen, our sovereignty is at risk and the Chinese are coming in without visa and crimes are becoming frequent. Their claims were refuted over and over by the government. The police stats show in fact that the crime rate among Chinese is lower than among South Koreans. But that hadn't stopped the group. Their protests are more energized and provocative than any other this country has seen in a long time. Most people joined us because of a simple Korea is for Koreans. Park is only 24, but his group had already gained quite a notoriety. The new president, Lee Jae Myung had ordered his cabinet to end what he called hate and violence filled rallies. Today, Park's message, spread through social media, is drawing in young people who share his suspicion on China.

[BBC Announcer]

27 years old, there are times when I don't hear Korean on the street. Even when I go to the corner store, I only hear Chinese. That really scares me.

[Sean Lay]

For Bach and his group, the success of Make America Great Again movement in the US is an inspiration. Here in Seoul, they wear red hats with the words Make Korea Great Again. And if the American youth voters swung over to bring back an impeached president, why not in Korea? For years, these people have held a deep grudge for what they saw as lack of opportunities and overbearing woke politics. And when Mr. Yun named the enemy, they signed up to fight. This is their rebellion. It's in their songs and speeches. Their signs say Never surrender. President Lee promises he will heal the wound Mr. Yun had left, but it will not be an easy task.

[Paul Moss]

Jake Kwon reporting. Still to come in this podcast, I think it's a shame because it should be a free attraction being one of the most important monuments in Rome.

[Sean Lay]

I think it's fine to pay.

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It will add to cleanliness.

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As Rome tries to manage over tourism, visitors to the city tell us their thoughts on a new entrance fee for the capital's most famous fountain.

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This is the Global News Podcast it was last month that the United Nations Committee Against Torture said it was worried about reports coming out of Israel, reports which suggested the country had a de facto policy of torturing Palestinian detainees. Israel rejected that claim. But now two Palestinian men have told the BBC they were beaten and sexually abused by prison guards while in Israeli detention. Our correspondent in Jerusalem, John Donison, has this report and I should warn you, it contains graphic descriptions of sexual violence.

[John Donison]

This is Sami Al Saeed in a promotional video for the furniture shop where he now works in the Israeli occupied West Bank. But he used to be a journalist. He's a free man now. But earlier this year, the 46 year old Palestinian was released from an Israeli prison after 16 months in detention without charge. He was arrested after working with reporters to arrange interviews with members of Hamas. While in jail, he alleges the guards raped him with a baton.

[Sean Lay]

They were laughing and enjoying it. The guard asked me, are you enjoying this? We want to play with you and bring your wife, your sister, your mother and friends here too. I was hoping to die and be done from that as the pain was not only caused by the rape, but also from the severe and painful beating.

[John Donison]

More than a year on. Sami Al Sai tells me he still feels ashamed.

[Sean Lay]

My wife is the one who comforts me the most and the one who understands the most what happened with me. She's my only shelter in the whole of this unjust world. She's my only shelter for anything that may happen with me.

[John Donison]

We asked the Israeli prison service for a response. It sent us this we operate in full accordance with the law. It went on we're not aware of the claims described, and to the best of our knowledge, no such incidents have occurred under IPS responsibility.

[Peter Bowes]

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[John Donison]

It's not the only such allegation.

[Peter Bowes]

The Israeli army's former top lawyer has been remanded in custody over leaking a video which allegedly showed Israeli soldiers torturing.

[John Donison]

A Palestinian prisoner this summer. Leaked CCTV footage emerged showing an incident where a Palestinian detainee from Gaza was allegedly raped with a sharp object by guards at an Israeli military prison in July last year, leaving the man with a pierced rectum. This was a press conference by four of the five Israeli reservist soldiers who've been subsequently charged with abuse. The case has led to heated debate and divided Israel. Supporters of the far right have held protests backing the soldiers who've been accused here. An MP from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud Party is challenged in a parliamentary committee over whether anally raping a detainee is acceptable. Shut up. He yells. Yes, everything is legitimate if they're hamas fighters from October 7th. Everything. A recent opinion poll indicates the majority of Israelis don't think soldiers suspected of abusing Palestinian detainees should be investigated. And these are far from the only allegations of abuse of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails. I'm just driving back now through the occupied west bank, and I've been speaking to a Palestinian man who was jailed for 12 months in January last year for praising on social media the Hamas attack on October 7. Now, he says that while he was in prison, he was regularly beaten by the guards, and that on one occasion, the guards used a prison dog to humiliate him. Now, he doesn't want his identity to be public, so his words are voiced by a BBC producer.

[Sean Lay]

They put my head in the toilet bowl, and the massive man stood on my head, so I was bent over. Then I heard the voice of someone talking to the dog, and the dog was named Messi, like the footballer. The dog started to advance, and I could feel its breath on my backside. So I started to scream. The more I screamed, the more they beat me until I almost lost consciousness.

[John Donison]

We contacted the Israeli prison service to ask for a response, but it did not reply.

[Sean Lay]

My client has been in prison since 2002.

[John Donison]

In Tel Aviv, I met Ben Marmarelli, an Israeli lawyer who represents a Palestinian security detainee. He told me he believed sexual abuse was systematic in Israeli jails.

[Sean Lay]

I'm sure it's systematic. My client says that every time I come to see him, he's been raped with a mop stick, Broomstick, Broomstick, mop stick, whatever they have there. I think that it's been done in order to limit the loyal's visitation because they are torturing him every time. He actually asked me not to come anymore.

[John Donison]

The BBC has seen Israeli court documents from earlier this year outlining Mr. Marmarelli's claims. In a statement, the Israeli prison service again denied the allegations. Before I leave, Sami Al Sai, who says he was raped by Israeli prison guards, he shows me photos of his six children on his phone. Sarah, she likes the attention.

[Sean Lay]

Yeah.

[John Donison]

He tells me the hardest moment in detention came when another prisoner's lawyer let him know that his wife, pregnant when he was arrested, had had the couple's baby girl. But he found out only almost a year after the child was born.

[Sean Lay]

He told me that your family is okay, your children are okay, and your wife gave birth to a girl and named her Yafa. Automatically I started crying because it was the first news I got from my family after 10 months.

[John Donison]

And now Sami Al Sai is crying again, wiping the tears from his eyes. His ordeal is over. The trauma is not.

[Paul Moss]

John Donison reporting from Jerusalem. It was very much a plan B. Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, had hoped that the European Union would agree to lend his country perhaps close to $200 billion using frozen Russian assets as collateral. Instead, as you heard on an earlier edition of this podcast, he's getting just over 100 billion to fight Russia's invasion and the Russian assets are not involved. Now, Mr. Zelensky has thanked EU leaders, and he did so just as Kyiv claimed a new and perhaps controversial success on the battlefield, attacking and badly damaging a Russian oil tanker in the Mediterranean. And that marks a significant shift, according to Elizabeth Brohr, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. As she told my colleague Lena Nathu.

[Elizabeth Brohr]

It'S a very significant strike. So what? The ones we've seen, we had seen so far were in the Black Sea. And Ukraine is clearly a country in the Black Sea region. And this is in the Mediterranean, far from Ukraine. So what Ukraine is doing is showing that it can strike far from its own territory, far from its own waters. And that is going to put the fear of God into shadow vessel owners, the companies using the shadow vessels to transport sanctioned oil and into the Russian treasury, because this is how Russia makes money.

[BBC Announcer]

How have they been able to reach further this time?

[Elizabeth Brohr]

So what Ukraine has demonstrated several times already is that it can strike hit targets far from Ukrainian territory. We have seen Ukraine strike Russia. So that part was not a surprise. What was surprised was that Ukraine was willing to use that capability to strike a merchant vessel. And so the surprising part is not the capability, but the willingness to conduct a strike, because this is a merchant vessel. It's a vessel that is violating maritime rules, but it is a merchant vessel. And it's also not in a war zone. What Ukraine seems to have calculated is that considering that Russia has violated most rules known to man, Ukraine has the right or indeed the urgency to do this because it needs to show that it can harm Russia if this war continues.

[BBC Announcer]

Right. So they've had the capability, but it's more about choosing this particular moment to go for it. How damaging is this going to be for Russia's oil export operations?

[Elizabeth Brohr]

So one missile strike against the Chadow vessel is not important in itself, but Ukraine is demonstrating with this that it's willing to strike merchant vessels, I.e. shadow vessels transporting Russian oil above the price cap in waters that they pass through on their way from Russian ports to their final destinations, which are often in India, Turkey or China. And so what this does is show Russia and shadow fleet owners and oil exporters and importers that there is no certainty that that oil will reach its destination. And if I were a shadow vessel owner or oil exporter, oil importer or the Russian treasury, I would say, well, this is a risky enterprise now that Ukraine is willing to interfere with it in this really dramatic fashion.

[Paul Moss]

Elizabeth Brough speaking to Leila Nathu. It's one of the highlights for any tourist visiting Rome, the majestic Trevi fountain. But that's just the problem. Being a highlight, the fountain is often severely overcrowded, and it's become a focal point for the more general debate in Italy about the problem of over tourism. Rome city officials do have an idea for how to deal with the Trevi crowds charging people for visiting. But critics fear this would turn a public square into a ticketed attraction. Carla Conti reports Rome is putting a.

[BBC Announcer]

Price on getting close to one of its best known landmarks. From 1st February, 2026, tourists who want to step down to the stone basin of the Trevi fountain will have to pay €2. City officials say the aim is crowd control and cash for upkeep. Rome's Mayor Roberto Gualtieri says €2 isn't very much and should make visitor flows less chaot the city estimates it could raise around six and a half million euros a year. More than nine million people have visited the area in front of the fountain so far this year. That's around 30,000 a day, and the site is also a known hotspot for pickpockets. Tourists will still be able to see the fountain for free from the square, but paid access will apply during set hours. Residents will be exempt, along with young children and disabled visitors. With a carer. Some tourists say it's fair. If it protects the monument. I think it's fine to pay because it will add to cleanliness. It will help them. The money will help them. If it means that money is used.

[John Donison]

To keep it maintained, then yeah, that's fine.

[BBC Announcer]

While others argue it shouldn't cost anything because it's a public space.

[Paul Moss]

I think it's a shame because it should be a free attraction, being one of the most important monuments in Rome.

[BBC Announcer]

The move is part of a wider shakeup of ticketing across some of Rome's museums and monuments as the city tries to manage over tourism and protect its historic sites.

[Paul Moss]

Carlo Conti it was nearly 90 years ago that the then unknown writer Tennessee Williams wrote a letter to his mother in which he mentioned a radio play he'd send to a local radio station in the hope they might consider broadcasting may lead to something he wrote hopefully. Well, Williams did, of course, become something, with works like A Streetcar Named Desire and Cat on a Hot Tin Roof becoming huge hits on stage and later famous as critically acclaimed films. And now, all these decades later, the script for that early radio play has been discovered.

[BBC Announcer]

He's going upstairs without a light. Yes. He likes to move around in the dark, Poor man.

[Elizabeth Brohr]

He stopped on the landing.

[Paul Moss]

Yes.

[Elizabeth Brohr]

What's he standing there for, I wonder?

[BBC Announcer]

Goodness knows.

[Elizabeth Brohr]

What's that?

[BBC Announcer]

What I thought I heard.

[Sean Lay]

Leslie. Leslie.

[BBC Announcer]

Oh, Mrs. Brighton, what do you think's happened?

[Paul Moss]

Well, the script was found by Andrew Gully, editor at the literary journal Strand Magazine, during what was a fairly random trawl through the Tennessee Williams archives, as he explained to my colleague Sean Lay.

[Sean Lay]

Well, I was doing a search of the catalog at the Ransom Library and I found many things that looked unfamiliar. Unfortunately, they all were either published or unfinished or fragments. And when I found this one, I said to myself, I think I hit the jackpot because it was complete, it was fantastic, a great work of horror. And I contacted a professor about this who's an expert on Tennessee Williams. And I said, look, this must have been produced or must have been published. And he said, nope, it has not.

[John Donison]

What is it about the strangers that we do know?

[Sean Lay]

Well, what we do know is that he wrote it when he was 28. He was in the University of Iowa trying to make a name for himself. He was very happy that he would get something on the radio medium because they would be a better paying market than a lot of the literary markets at that time in the 1930s and 1940s. That was the golden age of radio drama. I'm very happy to see that it was something that helped form him as a playwright.

[Paul Moss]

Andrew Gully speaking to Sean Lay and that's all from us for now. But there'll be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcastbc.co.uk. you can also find us on XBCWorldService. Use the hashtag globalnewspod. This edition was mixed by Lee Wilson and the producer was Carla Conti. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Paul Moss. Until next time. Goodbye.

[BBC Announcer]

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