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Humanitarian aid trickles into Gaza
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Crowds of Palestinians rushed to collect aid from lorries and airdrops
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Best of British TV with BritBox. This is the global News podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Valerie Sanderson and in the early hours of Monday, 28th July, these are our main stories. Food and aid supplies have been trickling into Gaza after Israel announced a pause in fighting to allow aid to be distributed more easily. The US and European Union have agreed a trade deal imposing a 15% tariff on imports from the bloc. Also in this podcast, Greece appeals to the EU for more help as firefighters struggle to contain five major wildfires in sport. England have retained the women's European Championship title after a nail biting penalty victory over Spain. And we hear about the home country of the winner of cycling's Tour de France.
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Valerie Sanderson
Not so many years ago, Slovenians were not that known. In cycling, what we're seeing for the last couple of years, I think it's pretty much unimaginable.
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Mark Ashton
We start in Gaza, where desperately needed humanitarian aid has been trickling into the territory by road and in air drops after Israel made it easier to distribute supplies, including pausing fighting in some areas. There have been chaotic scenes. Medical officials in central Gaza say at least 17 Palestinians awaiting one convoy were killed and 50 others were injured. 25 tons of supplies have been dropped by planes from Jordan and the uae. The former Jordanian Foreign Minister Jabad Al Anani defended the use of airdrops that have been criticized by some aid agencies as being inefficient.
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Valerie Sanderson
Either we drop them by air or we send less food. People who are there, they need that minute by minute. It could make a difference to many people's lives. So in a way we are going to utilize every possible way that is available to us, whether by air or by land or by sea or whatever means that we make sure that such food reaches its destination.
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Mark Ashton
In Gaza itself, the reaction has been mixed. These people spoke to journalists from BBC Arabic.
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Valerie Sanderson
I believe this so called truce is merely an attempt to polish the image of the Israeli occupation in the eyes of the world. After committing grave crimes against our People, especially at the very aid distribution centers it established. The occupation is now seeking to regain international sympathy under the guise of humanitarian concern.
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Mark Ashton
Of course, the humanitarian truce periods announced are far from sufficient. We are speaking about a people who have endured immense suffering and starvation. But I hope this announcement marks a positive turning point, allowing aid to flow.
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Valerie Sanderson
Continuously through international organizations and to be.
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Mark Ashton
Distributed fairly and equally to all those in need. Oxfam has now called for all crossings to be open to allow full access to the territory for humanitarian aid. Israel does not allow international media access to Gaza, so our Middle east correspondent, Hugo Bochega has been following aid distribution from Jerusalem.
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Valerie Sanderson
Palestinians cheer as plane drops aid packages from the air over Gaza City. 25 tons of supplies dropped by planes from Jordan and the United Arab Emirates. A desperate measure to alleviate a growing hunger crisis, but not enough to solve it. Ten people were injured by falling boxes, according to local health officials. In Beit Lahir to the north, bags of flour were quickly snatched up from aid lorries by residents wearing torn sandals and looking weak and tired. Faraiz Hassuna, a father of six, carried a heavy bag on his shoulders proudly. When he returned to the family stand, he threw it on the dusty ground and gave it a kiss. What made me go out to try to get aid is the food shortage, he says. Hunger is killing us. My children have lost a lot of weight. This was the first day of the new measures announced by Israel to ease the worsening situation in Gaza. It said military activity would stop for 10 hours every day in three areas and that safe corridors would be created for convoys to deliver food and medicine. The Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said there would be no more excuses for the un. This marks a significant shift in Israel's position amid growing international outrage. The UN aid agencies and even some of Israel's allies blamed its restrictions on the entry and distribution of aid for the crisis. Some Palestinians are expressing hope, but they also fear that this will not bring an end to their suffering.
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Mark Ashton
Hugo Bachega, a former Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Olmert has given a cautious welcome to the new humanitarian provisions by the Israeli government after serving a jail sentence on corruption charges. He's been one of the most vocal opponents of the current Prime Minister be Benjamin Netanyahu. Mr. Ohmert spoke to the BBC's James Kuberasami.
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Valerie Sanderson
Certainly too late. I mean, it should have been done long ago. There was no reason to get into this humanitarian crisis in Chateau such a way that first caused the suffering of so many people, which is the most important Thing and also, I think, dramatically affected the image of the state of Israel. So I'm happy that it appears that the government is prepared to make some accommodations and some adjustments in order to facilitate their provision of humanitarian needs. And I hope it will be effective. Let's wait and see. Do you think it will be lasting? Nothing is lasting with this government. I don't know. I wish I could tell you, but I am not certain that I can. What do you think it is, then, that has made them do this? Is it. Is it the. The wealth of pressure, a rhetorical pressure coming from allied governments, from aid agencies? Is it the images that have come out of these. These children looking all skin and bones? What is it? I think all these things together, the international reaction, the comments made by world leaders, relief organizations across the world, the international media, this was devastating. But also equally, I think, the voice of protest coming from within Israel, which is not insignificant. I know that obviously you always are ready for your good, you know, professional judgment to bring the reactions of some of these idiots which are now members of the Cabinet, Benveirs and Smotowicz and the other thugs which are part of the Cabinet. And you don't always report about the widespread protest going on across Israel from north to south of people. That said, enough is enough. What about the hostages? What about the peace process? I mean, it seems to have run into the ground. Certainly the Americans are saying, you know, Hamas has walked away from the latest deal. Look, let's not exaggerate. This is just a ceasefire process, an attempt to. A ceasefire. Now, in a way, it's a very simple thing. If you look at it from the point of view of Israel, the only possible deal is the one in which all the hostages are released and Israel has a free option to continue the fighting. Of course, if Hamas doesn't agree to it, then they should be blamed for not wanting an agreement. This is from the point of view of Israel. If you look at it from the point of view of the Hamas, the Hamas says they want the end of the war. They are ready to release all the hostages for the end of the war. If Israel is not prepared to end the war, then from their point of view, Israel is guilty for not having an agreement. The only way to do it is, unfortunately for us, but inevitable, is to end the war as so many of the Israelis think we should do. But if Israel doesn't accept this fundamental condition of the Hamas, then there will not be an agreement. Can I just return to the humanitarian situation? You, one of the few senior Israeli officials Former officials who have spoken openly about what is happening as war crimes. You stand by that when they see the pictures of babies starving to death, when they see the thousands of people fighting violently to reach out for the piece of bread or rice or soup that they distribute, and nothing is done effectively to change it. I have no other impression. Is what is happening now, though, going to change that confidence? I'm not hopeful. I am. I hope that maybe perhaps not because of their own lack of sensitivities and inability to empathize with the suffering, but because of the international pressure, the government seems to expand its logistical operation. I think it is essential that it will stay. I'm not certain.
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Mark Ashton
Ehud Olmert, the former prime minister of Israel. Negotiations between Donald Trump and the European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen have led to a trade deal. There'll be a blanket U.S. tariff of 15% on all EU goods, and Ms. Von der Leyen said the deal would bring stability. The agreement was hammered out in Scotland, where Mr. Trump is visiting his golf courses. As I heard from our business correspondent.
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Valerie Sanderson
Mark Ashton, today was the kind of final putt, really. This has been a sort of long game of golf officials going on for months and months behind the scenes, working on the details. The rhetoric was ramped up, both sides staying firm, insisting they would get the best deal possible. Today, though, the two main players came together and hammered out the final stages. I think, in truth, really, both sides got a bit of what they wanted and gave away perhaps a little bit more than they would have liked. On the US side, 15% tariffs on all EU goods being imported to the US plus billions of dollars of investment and energy purchases flowing into US coffers. Let's be clear, that's nothing like the 30% tariffs which were due to kick in on Friday, and nowhere near 50% which was being rooted by the president earlier in the year. But for the EU, dropping tariffs entirely on goods coming into the U.S. good news, though, for them in terms of trade, the euro, I think we're expecting to kind of bounce on all of this. And for car manufacturers as well, importing to the US a huge market, they will face 15% tariffs, the same as everyone else, and I think again, lower than everyone feared. So wins on both sides, really.
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Mark Ashton
So what? Everyone listening to this will want to know, what does it mean for consumers?
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Valerie Sanderson
Let's be clear. This is one of the world's largest trading partnerships, and they're the largest trader and investors with each other as well. The total trade in goods between the EU and the US last year was $975 billion. Together, they accounted for a third of global trade in goods and services. So I think this has been a really unsettling period. We've seen on the stock market's ups and downs as well as we've heard all that rhetoric, threats of trade and counter tariffs as well. Last year, for example, the US imported $606 billion worth of goods from the EU, but exported 370 billion. And that's really where Donald Trump saw the issue as like with a lot of other nations and blocs, he felt there was a unacceptable, if you like, trade imbalance, where he wanted to rebalance that. And I think whatever you said about his methods, he's certainly done that in terms of how this will be perceived. There's been ups and downs on global markets around the world. Lots of people talk about this taco trade. Trump always chickens out. You could say he has done in terms of. It would have been 50% tariffs. But there's no doubt the US is in a better position now. So the market's open now. We're expecting, I would say, a positive reaction to this, really. It's certainty, which is what markets like. Given the high stakes involved, it could have been much better, could have indeed been much worse for both sides.
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Mark Ashton
So, Mark, interesting, isn't it, the way this deal was hammered out in Scotland. Arguably, you know, absolutely neutral, neutral country. And yet also in a place belonging to. To Mr. Trump, his own golf club.
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Valerie Sanderson
Absolutely, yeah. Look, I think you talk about these trade deals, they take a long time, like a round of golf, really, 18 holes. It could be a test of all sorts of negotiating skills, I think. Yes, certainly there was an element of the fact Donald Trump was over here, close to the eu. He made that sort of concession, really, coming over, but it really needed von der Leyen to come to the table to get on the green, if you like, to make that final closing of the deal.
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Mark Ashton
Mark Ashdown. Aid agencies in Sudan say there is a humanitarian tragedy unfolding in the city of Al Fasha in North Darfur, where a growing number of people are dying from hunger and malnutrition. The city has come under siege by the paramilitary Rapid Support Forces since the start of Sudan's civil war. This warning comes as the RSF announced their own government to rival the one they've been fighting for more than two years. Hulud Hair is a Sudanese analyst and founder of the think tank Confluence Advisory.
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Valerie Sanderson
This is the first time in Sudan's history of many wars and many much political turmoil that we've seen a parallel government be set up in this way with this much, you know, sort of money behind it and this much territorial control of the main group that sort of supports it or sponsors it. And with this RSF government, we know that while significant, it won't actually be very meaningful to the people who live in RSF territory. The RSF doesn't have a governance plan. They have only really communicated reasons for forming this government that are around them, gaining more power, more control. So, for example, they want to use this government as a platform to get access to better and more sophisticated, I suppose, weaponry. They want to use it to control and manipulate aid even more in a part of the country that is already suffering from famine and cholera. And they also want it as a means of entering mediation platforms as a government, not as a militia. So is it about hoping that as a result of this, RSF's backers in other countries will take them more seriously? Yes. I mean, much of this is about the RSF positioning themselves for greater international legitimacy. They are already sort of recognized as a key security broker in the region by countries that surround, particularly the Darfur region of Sudan. So Libya, Chad, South Sudan, Central African Republic, a lot of the countries around that area already recognizing to some degree as the power on the ground is a lot more legitimacy on the international stage. Further afield, for example, within the US mediation that's been set up within a UN mediation platform that's also in the works. But despite what its proponents say, which is that this is a government of peace and unity, that doesn't seem to be where we're heading. In fact, this is a sort of formalization of the de facto split that's already happened in Sudan. So there's a lot of sort of reading between the lines that we have to do here. And what about the humanitarian situation? Because reports of awful levels of starvation in Al Fashr, which of course is under siege by the RSF right now. Al Fashr is a locus of a very desperate humanitarian situation because so many of the internally displaced people, or IDP camps that have held victims of the Darfur genocide 20 years ago for decades now, they have seen famine, they have seen cholera, they have seen acute desperation, and of course, have been subject to consistent shelling by the RSF as they plan to take Al Fashir. We know that the RSF have blocked World Food Program and UNICEF trucks from going in to Al Fashir city and the surrounding IDP camps. And this has meant that young, very young Children have faced even greater starvation as a result. And so this is really sort of a manifold, multifaceted humanitarian disaster.
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Mark Ashton
Sudanese analyst Holod Hair, speaking to the BBC's James Kumarasami.
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Valerie Sanderson
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Mark Ashton
American musical satirist Tom Lehrer has died at the age of 97.
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Valerie Sanderson
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Mark Ashton
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Valerie Sanderson
She cared. There was just one catch. She wasn't human. She was an AI companion. But when her behavior takes a disturbing turn, Travis finds himself at the center.
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Mark Ashton
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Valerie Sanderson
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Mark Ashton
England have beaten Spain in a dramatic penalty shootout to retain their title as the European champions of women's football. The team known as the Lionesses have made history as the first English team to win a major tournament on foreign soil. This is the moment fans in London saw Chloe Kelly scoring the decisive penalty kick. Our reporter Emily Brown was watching the match in the fan zone at London's Wembley stadium. England were 1 nil down in the first half, and then they brought it back. They equalised in the second half and it went to penalties again. And England were able to turn it around and secure and retain their title as European champions.
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Valerie Sanderson
And everyone here at Wembley and Fox.
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Mark Ashton
Park and this fan zone, all the England fans have been so excited. Dancing, singing. I mean, the noise has just been off the scale and there are so many excited fans.
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Valerie Sanderson
I'm pleased to say I've managed to grab a few of them. Guys, how are you feeling? Amazing. Come on. Yes. Come on. I saw you. You were moved.
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Mark Ashton
You were moved to tears when Chloe Kelly scored.
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Valerie Sanderson
You were crying.
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Mark Ashton
What was going through your mind?
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Valerie Sanderson
You know, women's football means a lot to me. I've been through a lot through women's football, and she's my inspiration. Seeing her score, wow.
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Mark Ashton
It hit home.
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Valerie Sanderson
It hit home. Oh, no.
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Mark Ashton
Say your time. Take your time. It's an emotional moment.
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Valerie Sanderson
So much to me, seeing them women win not once, but twice. Only women can do that.
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Mark Ashton
So what was in England player Chloe Kelly's mind when she took to the pitch?
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Valerie Sanderson
I just came onto the pitch and wanted to make something happen and. And then, of course, taking the penalty. I actually missed three penalties in training yesterday.
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Mark Ashton
But, yeah, I think it's the belief.
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Valerie Sanderson
In this squad, whole 23 players and the people that you don't see behind.
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Mark Ashton
The scenes, the staff members to get.
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Valerie Sanderson
Us through this tournament. Yeah, I'm really proud to be English right now and I'm proud to be part of an amazing group of girls.
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Mark Ashton
Chloe Kelly Speaking at the press conference after winning the Euros final against Spain, the cyclist Hade Pagacha has sealed his fourth overall victory in the Tour de France. The 26 year old Slovenian rider is not just the world's greatest male road cyclist, he's also one of the most dominant athletes in any sport. And as our Balkans correspondent Guy Delaunay reports, that's an extremely big deal in Poga's native country, Slovenia.
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Valerie Sanderson
Today. Pogachar is now at the point where he gets an ovation just for stepping off the team bus. That was before the start of the Tour de France three weeks ago when the defending champion was modest about his status as pre race favorite. Going here to the to the Tour is one of the favorites. It's an honor. I hope I can live up to the expectation he's done that and more. So just how good is Tadeh Pogaar? Ask the man who he's now challenging as the greatest of all time. The rider I see myself in most is Pogaar, says the legendary Belgian Eddie Merckx. If you want to know how seriously Slovenians take cycling, well, the fact that I'm standing in Pogaar Square in the capital Ljubljana should give you an idea. Okay. It's not actually named after the world's greatest male road cyclist, but it is an ideal venue for meeting the bike mayor of Ljubljana, Matej Propotnik. Not so many years ago, Slovenians were not that known in cycling. What we're seeing for the last couple of years, I think it's pretty much unimaginable. Cycling is one of Slovenia's great pleasures. It's only a 20 minute ride from Ljubljana's ridiculously pretty historical center to the bottom of the nearest mountain. That means Tadepoga's success is very much on brand. Cycling is one of the main tourism products in Slovenia and in the recent years it's that's the most popular product that we have. Masha Puklawiec Polutnik is the Slovenian Tourist Board's global communications manager. This is a way of living in Slovenia connected to sports and the nature and the athletes are our heroes.
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Mark Ashton
And that was Guy Delaunay reporting from Slovenia. Wildfires on the Italian island of Sardinia have forced dozens of holidaymakers to flee a beach by boat after flames blocked their escape. Meanwhile, in Greece, firefighters have appealed to the European Union for more help as they struggle to contain five major wildfires across the country. High winds and extreme temperatures across the eastern Mediterranean are hampering efforts with temperatures reaching up to 44 degrees Celsius. And some countries are issuing travel warnings to tourists. Stephanie Prentice has this report. Helicopters are dropping water on the remaining patches of burning ground in Drosopegi, north of Athens, with firefighters in the main village dousing the smoldering remains of family homes. The active front here has been contained, but not before flames spread across the valley.
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Valerie Sanderson
It started from Drosupeggi inside a valley there.
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Mark Ashton
Petros of Ramapoulos stayed at his home nearby urging firefighters to save it very.
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Valerie Sanderson
Quickly because of the wind. It climbed up the hill, joined with another fire front that was up there and this came towards Creol Neri. The wind is terrible. The speed houses burned. They're burning here, burning over there. We're all on alert now.
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Mark Ashton
He's one of many people in Greece who joined in to help overstretch firefighting resources battling to save their homes with buckets of water and hoping for the weather to change.
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Valerie Sanderson
We hope the wind dies down. People's properties have been burnt. Efforts of a lifetime, we are battling. What can we do?
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Mark Ashton
On Evia, an island nearby, some residents evacuated overnight Saturday and returned to find their home burned to ashes. Swathes of forest were completely destroyed.
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Valerie Sanderson
Destroyed.
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Mark Ashton
And this man said when galeforce winds suddenly changed direction, his slaughterhouse business and thousands of animals were burned in a flash.
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Valerie Sanderson
It didn't leave anything. It burned down our slaughterhouse completely. It must have been worth a million euros. It won't be rebuilt and I don't think any compensation will be given.
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Mark Ashton
The Turkish government says 130 aircraft have been deployed. Deployed and international teams are boosting containment efforts. But a respite from a week long heat wave can't come soon enough. Greece is known to be a wildfire hotspot by scientists, but it's one of the most rapidly warming regions globally. And blazes have become more intense in recent years, with many seeing it as a bellwether for climate change. Stephanie Prentice. Next week, the UK Supreme Court will decide the fate of a Russian superyacht that's been docked in London for more than three years. It's one of more than a dozen luxury vessels that were seized in different parts of the world after Russia invaded Ukraine. The idea was to put pressure on President Putin and his allies, but some of the boats have created serious legal and financial problems for the governments holding them. BBC Russian's Alexei Kamikov has been on board the superyacht fee to find out more.
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Valerie Sanderson
It's about 60 meters long and it weighs almost 500 tons. You would normally expect to see a vessel like that in the Mediterranean or the Caribbean. So why has it been stuck in London for three years? That's a large gas fire pit on board the Superyacht. Captain Guy Booth gives us a tour of its luxurious features. This is the owner's apartment, little sitting area there and a private forward terrace. The 38 million pound Russian vessel was detained at Canary Wharf in London in March 2022, just after the outbreak of the full scale war in Ukraine. Captain Booth, who is employed by fee's owner, says Canary Wharf doesn't have the facilities to look after an advanced super yacht like Fee for a long period. Worst case scenario would be an electrical fire on board. The fire would very quickly run away with itself, then the boat would sink. The Department of Transport says it can't currently comment on the claims made by Captain Booth due to the ongoing legal proceedings. Good morning, my lords, my Lady. I appear on behalf of the parents in this case. Together those legal proceedings are taking place at the UK Supreme Court. The legal team of FEES owner Sergey Naomimko argue that the superyacht detention breaches his property rights. He has never been financially sanctioned and is therefore paying for the upkeep of the vessel to apply pressure to the Russian elite to encourage them to withdraw. But government lawyers say holding FEE puts pressure on wealthy Russians and threw them on President Vladimir Putin. FEE is one of the many Russian superyachts being held across Europe and the us. But how effective has the policy of detaining them been? It was very visible. It was something that could be put on the front page of the newspaper. This is Ian Keating, Director of the Centre for Financial Crime at the Royal United Services Institute. It was a strong symbol of purpose. It didn't achieve very much from a war perspective and it has saddled governments with problems that they didn't anticipate. This is the sound of officers from Italy's financial police storming across a gangplank to seize a 600 million dollar superyacht in the port of Trieste. It's one of more than a dozen vessels around the world detained following the full scale invasion of Ukraine. Unlike with FEE in the uk, many other owners are financially sanctioned and the cost of holding superyachts can be huge. This has meant Italian authorities have had to pay for the upkeep costs of sailing Yacht A, which is reported to have been more than 23 million pounds over the past three years. Industry experts warn that anyone purchasing a detained superyacht risks not having their own ship recognized by unfriendly countries when they are sold. If they are sold, will be sold at a significant discount. Here's leading superyacht lawyer Benjamin Molby of Keystone Law. It is conceivable that a yacht that has been sold could turn up in one of these jurisdictions and the port authorities simply turn around to the owner and say, you're not the owner. Back in London, Captain Booth says fee's owner is willing to take their legal battle as far as possible. If it is a negative ruling, we will pursue our option of going to the European Court of Human Rights. The future fee may be decided by the Supreme Court on Tuesday, but the fate of many other Russian super yachts, and who will end up paying for them, looks unlikely to be settled anytime soon.
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Mark Ashton
The BBC's Alexei Kamikov. Now, if you were asked to picture one of the most dangerous musicians of the 1950s and 1960s, you probably wouldn't conjure up the horn rimmed spectacles and neatly combed hair of Tom Lehrer, who's died at the age of 97. But there was a time when his satirical songs were considered to be a genuine threat to American values. Our arts correspondent David Sillitoe looks back at the life and career of a man who influenced generations of comedians with his jaunty melodies and his pitch black sense of humour.
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Valerie Sanderson
I got it from Agnes she got it from Jim we all agree I got it from Agnes Possibly the best song ever written about STDs from Marie and everybody knows that Marie is Got it from me. Tom Lehrer was a Harvard mathematician with a sideline in comic songs with a bit of an edge. I still appreciate you let's find love while we may Because I know I'll hate you when you are old and grey. Cheery tunes about death, drug smoking, scouts and poisoning pigeons in the park. When they see us coming the birdies all try and hide but they still go for peanuts when coated with a cyan hide. Of his first 12 songs in 1953, the BBC banned 10 of them. Blacken my eye Set fire to my tie as we dance to the masochism tango. Of course, it never seemed to bother Mr. Lehrer much. He'd gone to Harvard when he was just 15. Music was just a hobby. I put this record out just as a souvenir, not intending to sell it outside of Harvard, but people began circulating it to remote corners of the world like London. If you visit American city you will find it very pretty. Just two things of which you must beware don't drink the water and don't breathe the air pollution. And by 1965, he had pretty much given up on writing satirical songs. Age in California, he said, had robbed him of his gift. And he returned to maths.
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Mark Ashton
Ah, but I got it from Agnes.
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Valerie Sanderson
Or maybe it was sue or Millie or Billy or Jilly or Willie. But over the years, the records continued to sell. New generations discovered his dark wit. And if you will be my friend Then I might mind you. I said might. It was, he said, a word of mouth thing. Give it to you. More herpes than a bow.
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Mark Ashton
What an end line. That was David Sillitoe reporting on Tom Lehrer, who's died at the age of 97. And that's it from us for now. But there'll be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, send us an email. The address is globalpodcastbc.co.uk you can also find us on X at bcworldservice. Use the hashtag globalnewspod. This edition was mixed by Joe McCartney and produced by Marion Straughan and Peter Goffin. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Valerie Sanderson. Until next time, bye Bye.