Iran protesters defy crackdown warning

Summary

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Global News Podcast – Iran Protesters Defy Crackdown Warning

Host: Keith Adams, BBC World Service
Date: January 10, 2026

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Overview

This episode centers on the escalating protests in Iran despite harsh government crackdowns and threats. It dives into the complexity of the ongoing crisis, global reactions—especially from the U.S.—and features first-hand perspectives from Iranians both within and outside the country. Alongside, it reports on a controversial police shooting in Minneapolis, a high-profile Beckham family feud, explores whether golf is truly a sport, and marks the 10th anniversary of David Bowie’s death.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Iran Protests in the Face of Crackdown

• Widespread Protests:
  Protests enter their 13th consecutive night, evolving from economic to political and anti-government demonstrations.
  • "Images from a nation in turmoil. Protesters are out again en masse... Whole families, in some cases driven by anger."
    — Caroline Hawley (03:05)
• Government Response:
  Authorities intensify efforts to control dissent, including lethal crackdowns and severe communication blackouts.
  • "Reports the security forces have intensified a lethal crackdown. Hospitals are treating dozens of protesters with bullet wounds and hundreds shot in the eye with pellets.”
    — Caroline Hawley (04:55)
• Counterdemonstrations:
  Regime supporters stage pro-government rallies, supporting the Ayatollah and warning against perceived foreign meddling.
  • "Today, counter demonstrations were staged by the authorities... chanting here that they're at the service of Ayatollah Khamenei."
    — Caroline Hawley (04:12)
• Role of Exiled Opposition:
  Reza Pahlavi, son of the last Shah, calls for unity against the regime from abroad.
  • "Let us at this time work hand in hand to deal the final blow to the regime, achieve freedom and rebuild our country."
    — Reza Pahlavi (04:44)

2. International Dynamics and U.S. Involvement

• President Trump’s Stance:
  U.S. President Trump issues stern warnings to Iran, threatening military action if protesters are killed.
  • "Trump warns Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that the U.S. will start shooting if demonstrators are targeted..."
    — Keith Adams (01:07)
  • "We'll start shooting too, he said, throwing his support behind those taken to the streets."
    — Keith Adams (05:20)
• Mixed Perception Among Iranians:
  The ambiguous role of Trump is discussed: friend or foe?
  • "He's been both. And that is the unpredictability of President Trump... judged not by what you say, but what you do."
    — Lys Doucet (06:05)

3. Regime’s Fragility & Opposition Figures

• Divisiveness of Reza Pahlavi:
  His activism is significant but controversial, due to past support for Israel and division within the opposition.
  • "Reza Pahlavi... is regarded as a very divisive figure in the opposition."
    — Lys Doucet (07:29)
• Future Uncertainty:
  The fate of the protests remains unpredictable.
  • "The distance between the crisis to a possible collapse to even major cracks in the ruling establishment is highly unpredictable and... perilous."
    — Lys Doucet (09:09)

[Important Segment: Iran Protests Deep Dive – 03:05–09:38]

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4. Personal Stories from Iranians

• Roya Pirai’s Loss:
  Speaks about her mother’s death in the 2022 protests and the risks she faced after public mourning.
  • "I took a picture that went viral. I shaved my hair and I was standing on my mother's graveside..."
    — Roya Pirai (19:01)
• Diaspora Anxiety:
  Iranians abroad, like Mahsa Ali Madani, express fear and hope amid the blackout and protest violence.
  • "It's this very strange time. You're watching very inspirational footage... There's this sense of cautious hope, but at the same time... anxiety and fear."
    — Mahsa Ali Madani (19:22)

[Important Segment: Iranian Voices Abroad – 18:12–20:02]

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5. Other Major Topics

U.S. Immigration Shooting in Minneapolis

• Contentious Shooting:
  Newly released video fuels debate after an ICE agent fatally shoots Renee Goode. Officials disagree on the threat level posed.
  • "Many of you have been told this law enforcement officer... murdered an innocent woman. The reality is that his life was endangered and he fired in self-defence. That’s not a straightforward claim to make."
    — Paul Adams (11:03)
• Aftermath:
  Community outrage continues, with unresolved narratives and a memorial for Goode.
  • "Renee Goode's death seems destined to remain the subject of fierce partisan disagreement."
    — Paul Adams (12:30)

[Important Segment: Minneapolis Shooting – 10:24–12:34]

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Beckham Family Feud

• Escalating Tensions:
  Brooklyn Beckham reportedly instructs his parents to contact him and wife Nicola only through lawyers, with reports tracing issues to a family dinner and wedding dress choices.
  • "Brooklyn has slapped a cease and desist letter on his parents..."
    — Wendy Urquhart (13:07)
  • "Every single thing they do or say or post on social media is scrutinized to the nth degree."
    — Wendy Urquhart (14:35)

[Important Segment: Beckham Family – 13:07–15:12]

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Is Golf a Sport?

• Debate:
  Arguments for (physical effort and skill) and against (recreational nature) golf as a sport.
  • "Golf is a lot more sport intensive than people give it credit for... you burn between 12 and 1600 calories..."
    — Jason Fallon (24:36)
• Memorable Quote:
  "It’s fun, it’s recreation, but I don’t think it’s exercise."
  — Harvey Spivak, voiced by BBC (24:19)

[Important Segment: Golf Debate – 24:19–25:59]

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David Bowie’s Legacy

• Home Opens to Public:
  The house where Bowie wrote “Space Oddity” will open, offering insight into his formative years.
  • "It’s a really magical moment for people to go into his bedroom, tiny bedroom, see where he really lived from age 8 to 20..."
    — Nicholas Stacey (26:22)
• Inspiration:
  • "He was just an ordinary boy in a very modest house, but he had these aspirations and he worked incredibly hard..."
    — Nicholas Stacey (27:13)

[Important Segment: Bowie Anniversary – 25:59–27:41]

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6. Light Feature: The Mentalist, Oz Perlman

• Memory and Prediction Skills:
  Demonstrates how psychological techniques can be used to “read minds,” astonishing interviewers with a name-guessing trick live on air.
  • "I’m an honest liar, so to speak... Everything I’m doing is learnable, based in science, and can be taught to others."
    — Oz Perlman (20:45)
  • "You are correct.... It is the letter ‘L’.... Ellen... Yes."
    — Oz Perlman & Keith Adams (23:10–23:31)

[Memorable Moment: Mentalist Demonstration – 20:45–23:32]

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Notable Quotes

• "Protesters... driven by anger, and after decades of repressive theocratic rule, determined to try to bring change."
  — Caroline Hawley (03:05)
• "We'll start shooting too, he said, throwing his support behind those taken to the streets."
  — Keith Adams (05:20)
• "Iranians are desperate for change, and perhaps they're latching on whatever seems to symbolize that change."
  — Lys Doucet (07:29)
• "It’s hard to say where these will go, but what is undeniable is this is a crisis which is of unprecedented proportions."
  — Lys Doucet (09:09)
• "I’m standing on my mother's graveside and after that photo, my family told me it's better not to remain."
  — Roya Pirai (19:06)
• "We had whistles, they had guns. Renee Goode's death seems destined to remain the subject of fierce partisan disagreement."
  — Paul Adams (12:30)
• "He was just an ordinary boy in a very modest house, but he had these aspirations and he worked incredibly hard..."
  — Nicholas Stacey (27:13)
• "Golf is a lot more sport intensive than people give it credit for... you burn between 12 and 1600 calories..."
  — Jason Fallon (24:36)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Iran Protest Background & Crackdown: 03:05–09:38
• Iranian Diaspora Testimonies: 18:12–20:02
• Minneapolis Police Shooting: 10:24–12:34
• Beckham Family Feud: 13:07–15:12
• Oz Perlman Mentalist Demonstration: 20:45–23:32
• Golf as a Sport Debate: 24:19–25:59
• David Bowie Home / Anniversary: 25:59–27:41

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This episode provides a sweeping, on-the-ground look at Iran’s current upheaval, powerful personal stories of hope and grief, and a glance at other news and cultural moments, all delivered with the BBC’s signature clarity and depth.

Transcript

[Keith Adams]

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[Keith Adams]

This is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Keith Adams and at 04:00 GMT on Saturday 10th January, these are the main stories. President Trump warns Ayatollah Ali KHAMENEI that the U.S. will start shooting if demonstrators in Iran are targeted by government forces. He was speaking as protesters took to the streets of Iran for a 13th night despite an Internet blackout and threats from the authorities. New footage has emerged of the deadly shooting of a woman in Minneapolis by a U.S. immigration agent. And Brooklyn Beckham warns his parents, David and Victoria, to only contact him via lawyers as the family feud continues. Also in this podcast, as we mark 10 years since David Bowie's death, a chance to visit his childhood home.

[Nicholas Stacey]

It's going to be an opportunity for people to stand in the footsteps of young David Bowie and really understand where he came from, his big dreams, his aspirations, his vision, where it all started.

[Keith Adams]

And the man with powers of memory and prediction who mesmerized Joe Rogan and Barack Obama.

[Oz Perlman]

How often have you been at a party and within three seconds of meeting someone, the dread I forgot their name. I can teach you in under three minutes. A technique that you will be using and that I use day in, day out.

[Keith Adams]

But does it work? One of my BBC colleagues tries it out. Rights groups in Iran say they've documented the deaths of around 50 protesters since the uprising against the regime began almost two weeks ago, despite a media blackout, a tactic used by the authorities to curb the protests by limiting ways for people to communicate some information about what's happening there is making its way to the outside world. This report is from our diplomatic correspondent Caroline Hawley.

[Caroline Hawley]

From Tehran. Images from a nation in turmoil. Protesters are out again en masse. New videos posted on social media show huge numbers of people back on the streets. Whole families, in some cases driven by anger. And after decades of repressive theocratic rule, determined to try to bring change. What started in late December as an economic protest has quickly spiralled into a major political and security challenge for the government, a crisis Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, felt he had to address. And he was characteristically uncompromising.

[Paul Adams]

Last night in Tehran and some other places, a bunch of vandals showed up and destroyed buildings belonging to their own.

[Keith Adams]

Country just to please the US President. The Islamic Republic was established with the.

[Paul Adams]

Blood of several hundred thousand honorable people. And it will not back down in the face of those who engage in destruction.

[Keith Adams]

Nor will it tolerate mercenaries serving foreign powers.

[Caroline Hawley]

Today, counter demonstrations were staged by the authorities in semi several cities designed as a very public show of support. They're chanting here that they're at the service of Ayatollah Khamenei. There's no organized opposition to him within Iran, but there is the son of the last monarch the Shah deposed back in 1979. The Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi has lived in exile ever since. Now he's calling on Iranians from both outside the country and within to make common cause.

[Keith Adams]

Let us at this time work hand in hand to deal the final blow to the regime, achieve freedom and rebuild our country.

[Caroline Hawley]

It's impossible to know what's happening across Iran because of the Internet blackout, but people are finding inventive ways to get images out as the regime tries to assert control. There are reports the security forces have intended intensified a lethal crackdown. One doctor in Tehran told BBC Persian that hospitals are treating dozens of protesters with bullet wounds and hundreds shot in the eye with pellets.

[Keith Adams]

Caroline Hawley reporting. And as we heard there, the Iranian regime has condemned comments made by the US President accusing him of stoking unrest. Donald Trump has again warned he could order military strikes in if more protesters are killed. We'll start shooting, too, he said, throwing his support behind those taken to the streets.

[Oz Perlman]

This is something pretty incredible that's happening in Iran. It's an amazing thing to watch.

[Keith Adams]

They've done a bad job. They've treated their people very badly, and now they're being paid back. So let's see what happens.

[Oz Perlman]

We're watching it. We're watching it very closely.

[Keith Adams]

But to the protesters, is the US President a friend or a foe? I put that question to our chief international correspondent, Lys Doucet.

[Lys Doucet]

He's been both. And that is the unpredictability of President Trump. If you go back to his election campaign, his first months in office, he kept praising the people of Iran, saying he wanted to do a negotiated deal with the Iranians, that he believed the Iranians also wanted to do a deal. But of late, and we just heard again, for the fourth time, his warning to Iran that if you hit and kill protesters, I'm going to hit you again hard. Which of course is a warning that in the same way that he sent in his warplanes last year during the 12 day war between Israel and Iran, he could do it again. Now, the impression we have is that it has concentrated mines in Tehran, even though the foreign minister, Abbas Arakchi, who said that he felt there was a low risk of an attack. But you never know. We've seen time and again now judged not by what you say, by what you do, because sometimes it's part of a feign to keep your enemy on their feet. But certainly this must be on the minds of the authorities in Tehran because, Keith, this is one of the first times where Iran is confronting an upheaval at home at the same moment that it is confronting an external threat. And this complicates what is already a deeply complicated crisis.

[Keith Adams]

Can you tell me about the son of the Shah, this figure who suddenly seems to be looming in these protests?

[Lys Doucet]

There are many figures in the opposition, in the diaspora, there are many figures at home, and all of them have been speaking out as these protests intensify. Reza Pahlavi, who has a very active media team, he has a very active presence on social media, some would say aggressive, seems to be having some impact. So that in the midst of the chanting that we've seen on the, on the videos, which despite the Internet crackdown, activists are still, with great bravery and ingenuity, they're getting them out of the country. In the midst of the slogans, down with the dictator, don't be afraid, there are those who are calling for the return of Reza Pahlavi. It may not mean that they want the return of the monarchy, and he says that he doesn't want the return of the monarchy. But Iranians are desperate for change, and perhaps they're latching on whatever seems to symbolize that change. But Reza Pahlavi, even though he's indicating that he's a good mobilizer in this moment, he's regarded as a very divisive figure in the opposition. Years ago, when they tried to put together a unified opposition abroad, he was one of the factors which caused it to break apart. And his support of Israel during last year's 12 day war with Iran was very controversial. He was one of the only Iranian figures who praised Israel for essentially attacking Iran. And he's now calling on President Trump to intervene. And Iranians are very nationalistic people. They may not like, in fact, many don't like their clerical rulers, but they are very national. And so this is controversial too.

[Keith Adams]

Where do you think these protests might go?

[Lys Doucet]

In a few words, no one can say for certain. Even in this moment and in this deep crisis, the distance between the crisis to a possible collapse to even major cracks in the ruling establishment is highly unpredictable and very perilous. It's hard to say where these will go, but what is undeniable is this is a crisis which is of unprecedented proportions.

[Keith Adams]

Lys Doucet and you can hear and see more of lys Doucet on YouTube where we ask, could the latest protests in Iran topple the religious regime? Just search for BBC News, click on the logo, then choose Podcasts and Global News Podcast. There's a new story available every weekday. A video filmed by the US Immigration agent who shot dead a woman in Minneapolis on Wednesday has been shared on social media by the U.S. vice President J.D. vance and the Press secretary, Caroline Levitt. They claim it proves the agent acted in self defense. But local officials continue to insist that Renee Good posed no danger. This report from our correspondent in the US Paul Adams.

[Paul Adams]

Emotions still running high on the frigid streets of Minneapolis. Protesters furious over the death of 37 year old Renee Goode. And now another view of how it all unfolded. Filmed on his phone by the federal agent identified as Jonathan Ross, who fired the fatal shots.

[Caroline Hawley]

That's fine, dude.

[Keith Adams]

I'm not mad for it.

[Paul Adams]

At this point, Ms. Good seems relaxed, but her wife Becca is outside the car confronting Mr. Ross. Officer Ross continues to circle the car.

[Lys Doucet]

You want to come at us?

[Keith Adams]

I said go get yourself some lunch, big boy.

[Paul Adams]

Other officers order Renee to get out of the car. She briefly reverses before surging forward. Shots ring out. One of the officers shouts abuse as the car accelerates away. The US Vice president says the new video is clear. Many of you have been told this law enforcement officer wasn't hit by a car. J.D. vance says wasn't being harassed and murdered an innocent woman. The reality is that his life was endangered and he fired in self defence. That's not a straightforward claim to make. The latest video, like the videos before, it leaves plenty of ambiguity. It is possible, but not certain that Renee Goode was was trying to drive away rather than trying to attack Officer Ross at the White House. Donald Trump didn't address the latest video but said professional troublemakers were to blame.

[Oz Perlman]

You have agitators and we will always be protecting ICE and we're always going to be protecting our border patrol and our law enforcement.

[Paul Adams]

Back in Minneapolis, another memorial for Renee Goode, her wife releasing a long emotional statement. We were raising our son to believe that no matter where you come from or what you look like, all of us deserve compassion and kindness, rebecca wrote on Wednesday, January 7th. We stopped to support our neighbors. We had whistles, they had guns. Renee Goode's death seems destined to remain the subject of fierce partisan disagreement. The latest video hasn't changed that.

[Keith Adams]

Paul Adams reporting. Now David and Victoria Beckham are world famous, but it seems they're just like any other family. And at the moment but all is not well in the Beckham household. Their son Brooklyn and his wife Nicola have been feuding with his parents for more than three years. And this week things took a turn for the worse. Brooklyn has slapped a cease and desist letter on his parents instructing them to only contact him and his wife through his lawyers. So what's it all about? Here's Wendy Urquhart.

[Wendy Urquhart]

It might be hard to believe, but the ramping up of this row in the Beckham family was apparently caused by a chicken dinner. Brooklyn is an aspiring chef and like many others, he's been posting his creations on social media. But when his mum Victoria liked the video, Brooklyn saw red and fired off a letter to her and David saying contact with him and his wife Nicola can only be made through their lawyers in future. The family has been feuding for years and every time relations went south, Brooklyn allegedly unfollowed and blocked the not just his parents, but his entire family on social media. Brooklyn has also been noticeably absent from several big events in his dad's life. He missed his 50th birthday party in Miami and was nowhere to be seen when David Beckham was given a knighthood. The Entertainment journalist Jody McCallum says this is just another twist and turn in a long running saga.

[Keith Adams]

It all began allegedly back in 2020.

[Nicholas Stacey]

When Brooklyn married his now wife, Nicola Peltz Beckham.

[Keith Adams]

And apparently Nicola didn't wear a Victoria.

[Nicholas Stacey]

Beckham wedding dress that was designed for.

[Lys Doucet]

Her for her wedding.

[Keith Adams]

Now, that's alleged. Nicola's denied that. And you know, we've seen Nicola and.

[Nicholas Stacey]

Other Victoria Beckham outfits at the premiere of Lola.

[Keith Adams]

So they have then obviously, off the back of the wedding, kind of supported each other at different events.

[Nicholas Stacey]

We've seen them pictured together.

[Wendy Urquhart]

Because the Beckhams are such a famous family, every single thing they do or say or post on social media is scrutinized to the nth degree. So when David and Victoria posted a video of them dancing to a song with lyrics along the lines of we've got nothing to apologize for, some people thought it was a cryptic dig at Brooklyn and Nicola when they might actually just have been having a good time dancing. Brooklyn has reportedly made it clear that any thawing of relations with his mum and dad will take place behind closed doors, not on social media.

[Keith Adams]

Chicken dinners usually bring families together, don't they? That was Wendy Urquhart reporting. Still to come in this podcast, millions of people play it. But is golf actually a sport? You're hitting a little white ball around a golf course, using a golf cart and drinking at the ninth hole. It's fun, it's recreation. But I don't think it's exercise. We'll hear a response to that.

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[Keith Adams]

This is the Global News Podcast. Let's return to our main story. The protests in Iran and as we heard earlier, the the Internet and phone blackout makes it difficult to reach people in the country. But we are able to speak to some of those who've left and are watching what's happening from abroad, filled with fear for their loved ones as well as hope that the unrest might lead to a brighter future. For Roya Pirai, the demonstrations have triggered a wave of grief. Her mother was killed in the protest of 2022. The family says she was shot by security forces on motorbikes. After her funeral, Roya left the country. Unfortunately, I was not with my mom and when I came back home we found out that she was at a hospital and she was dead after seven days.

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I took a picture that went viral. I shaved my hair and I was.

[Keith Adams]

Standing on my mother's graveside and after.

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That photo my family told me it's better not to remain.

[Keith Adams]

Mahsa Ali Madani lives in the uk. She has been unable to reach her family since Thursday.

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Since the Internet basically faded out, we haven't been in contact with anyone. As an Iranian, it's this very strange time. You're watching very inspirational footage of, you know, your fellow countrymen being extremely courageous, knowing the massive risk there is against a regime that's not afraid of killing protesters. There's this sense of cautious hope, but at the same time it's mixed with anxiety and fear of what's going to happen if your loved ones are caught up in these protests.

[Keith Adams]

Some voices there of Iranians abroad trying to stay in contact with their families still inside the country. Now, if you've ever seen a magic trick, you may have been completely and utterly flummoxed by how it was achieved. Enter Oz Perlman. He's a mind reader who once guessed and revealed the correct bank pin number of the popular podcaster Joe Rogan in front of an audience of millions. He's known to fans as the mentalist, which is an American word for a magician who seems to have psychic powers. In his book Read, you'd Mind, he explains how his techniques could be useful in everyday life. Here's what happened when Oz Perlman was interviewed by my colleague Sean Lay.

[Oz Perlman]

I'm an honest liar, so to speak. So in the guise of a psychic or a supernatural performer, they're telling you they can do things that are beyond explanation. I'm telling you the opposite. Everything I'm doing is learnable, based in science, and can be taught to others. Some things related to psychology influence and also assessing how people behave. I've been a student of people's behavior for three decades and that's given me tremendous insights into what people will do, what they will say, and how they will act when I kind of put them in various situations.

[Keith Adams]

Can you give us an idea of what sort of advice, what sort of things you think we can individually benefit from?

[Oz Perlman]

If tomorrow I quit my job and I had to start a new career path, what are the things I would do to be very, very successful in anything I did quickly? Things like how to overcome fear of rejection and failure, how to build confidence, how to walk into a room with people you do not know, captivate them, and leave with everyone talking about you. I want to give you a fun game, Sean. Let's imagine that you are throwing a holiday party. You're in the room and you're doing what people do. You come in over, say hello, oh my God, how are you? How are the kids? And then suddenly you get a tap on the shoulder. You turn around and one of your guests gives you a big hug. The person you just hugged. There is absolutely no way in the world I could know who this is. Are we in agreement? Yes, we are doing this over the phone. We do not know each other.

[Keith Adams]

Okay?

[Oz Perlman]

I want you to write down on a piece of paper in front of you this person's name and assure the listener, we have no cameras. There is no way that I can see. No.

[Keith Adams]

We're in a radio studio with no cameras. Right. I've written the name down.

[Oz Perlman]

I think the person who gave you a hug and that's whose name you wrote down is a female. Am I correct?

[Keith Adams]

You are correct.

[Oz Perlman]

And now I want you to look down and I want you to circle one of the letters. Now, I'm going to tell you most people will not do the first letter or that letter because you can, but they feel it will give away the name. And so it's up to you entirely. But circle any one of the letters in the name and let me know you've had a chance.

[Keith Adams]

Yes. Okay. I have circled the letter.

[Oz Perlman]

Now, there's a bit of reverse psychology where, because I said that you chuckled. I don't think you did the first letter after all, did you?

[Keith Adams]

No, I didn't.

[Oz Perlman]

The letter that you circled, does it appear in the name more than once?

[Keith Adams]

Yes, it does.

[Oz Perlman]

I think you circled an L. Is that the letter you just circled right there?

[Keith Adams]

It is the letter I circled, yes.

[Oz Perlman]

And I thought it was going to be somebody. At first. I'm thinking a name that's very common. I thought it was going to be something like Leslie, but it's not. Somebody is. I think it's. It's a family. Ellen. Is her name Ellen?

[Paul Adams]

Yes.

[Keith Adams]

That is. I'm going to show it to Kate. You're here. Kate's my producer. We'll just put her on the microphone as well. Yes, I can confirm it was Ellen. I'm not even going to bother to ask how you did that. But I have to say you've, You've. I'm. I am genuinely. I'm very relieved it wasn't my pin number. The amazing Oz Perlman talking to Sean Lay. The famous American writer Mark Twain supposedly described it as a good walk ruined. But golf has survived and thrived. It has the viewers, it has the sponsors, it has the hype. But is it sport? One fitness executive certainly turned golf into something of a grudge match. His name is Harvey Spivak from the luxury gym company Equinox. His words are spoken here by one of my colleagues. You're hitting a little white ball around a golf course, using a golf cart and drinking at the ninth hole. It's fun, it's recreation, but I don't think it's exercise. Jason Fallon is a professional golfer and golf coach here in the uk. Does he think Harvey Spivak has a point?

[Jason Fallon]

No, he doesn't have a point. Golf is a lot more sport intensive than people give it credit for. For sure, you can do it leisurely, but you can build up quite a sweat when you play golf, that's for sure. Playing and walking the course itself. So it's between four and five miles approximately, and that can be on very hilly terrain. You burn between 12 and 1600 calories when you do that if you're carrying your clubs. To put that into perspective, if you're playing a professional game of football, the calories you burn, there's between 12 and 1700. So you do lose a lot of energy when you play golf. I would say 80 to 90% of people are going to be walking. You are going to get people that have buggies sometimes. That's people with disability issues, can't really walk, but large majority of people do walk. But sport is defined as physical activity that requires strength and coordination and endurance. And golf ticks all the boxes for that, especially the coordination part of that. So it's definitely a sport. It's a sport that can be done casually with not a lot of effort. But lots of sports can be done like that. I go to the gym three times a week to get my body moving and there's flexibility as well as the strengthening, because to hit the ball, if you want to move at a good distance, you have to be relatively strong and have good hand eye coordination. So if you want to get better, like any sport, like football, you don't have to be fit to play football. You can be overweight and plot around the football pitch. But if you want to get good at it, if you have high levels of fitness, you're going to have a better chance of playing much better. So it really depends on how keen you are.

[Keith Adams]

That was the golfer Jason Fallon. Today marks the 10th anniversary of the death of the music legend David Bowie. The British singer's childhood home in London, where he wrote one of his best known songs. Space Oddity is to open to the public next year. The project is the brainchild of the Heritage of London Trust. In its director is Nicholas Stacey.

[Nicholas Stacey]

This is a chance to stand in the footsteps of young David Bowie and really understand where he came from, his big dreams, his aspirations, his vision, where it all started. We have some archive material to tell us a little bit about the house. There's some interesting photographs of young Bowie standing against different rooms in the house. So we're going to turn it back to very much that sort of 1960s, slightly duh, drab interior, but then with this incredible David Bowie bedroom upstairs, which is going to be the place where he had his posters and record player and he played his music. And I think it's a really magical moment for people to be able to go into his bedroom, tiny bedroom, see where he really lived from the age of 8 to the age of 20, all the way through these formative years. Of course, there's a huge amount of David Bowie books and documentaries and all those are amazing and so much variety. But this is the only chance you'll get to see the man behind the public figure, the sort of private David Bowie, in a sense. And I think that's really inspiring for people and particularly keen on having young people come to the house and see that he was just an ordinary boy in a very modest house, but he had these aspirations and he worked incredibly hard and he weathered all the ups and downs of sort of a young music career. And I think that is really inspirational for people.

[Keith Adams]

UK Heritage Director Nicola Stacey. And that's all from us for now, but there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcastbc.co.uk. this edition was mixed by Rowan Madison. The producers were Paul Day and Nikki Varico. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Keith Adams. Until next time. Goodbye.

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