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Israel says Gaza ceasefire will end unless Hamas frees hostages by Saturday
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Netanyahu told Israeli forces to prepare for fighting after Hamas postponed more releases
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Nick Miles
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Josh Hartnett
What does it take to go racing in the fastest cars in the world? Oscar piastri.
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Oscar Piastri
Your head's trying to get roofed one.
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Josh Hartnett
Way, your body's trying to go another. Let's roll.
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Wira Davis
It's very extreme in the sense of how close you're racing. Wheel to wheel.
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Josh Hartnett
We've been given unprecedented access to two of the most famous names in Formula One, McLaren and Aston Martin. I'm Landon Arts. They build a beautiful bit of machinery that I get to then go and have fun in. They open the doors for their factories. As the 2024 season reached its peak. I'm this is Josh hartnett. This is F1 back at base. Listen wherever you get your podcasts.
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Anne Fogel
This is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Nick Miles and in the early hours of Wednesday 12th February, these are our main stories. The Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the Gaza ceasefire deal will end if Hamas does not free hostages by Saturday. Mr. Netanyahu added that intense fighting would also resume. King Abdullah of Jordan has told President Trump that his country would take thousands of sick children from Gaza. In other news, the author, Salman Rushdie has testified at the trial in New York State of a man accused of attempting to murder him. Also in this podcast.
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Sharon Lifchitz
It's a great relief. It's been very difficult, but we're all here, we're all together and we're looking forward to healing.
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Anne Fogel
Washington says it secured the release of a US schoolteacher who had been held in Russia for four years. We speak to his sister. Israel and Hamas are midway through the first stage of a fragile ceasefire. So far, 16 Israeli hostages have been released in exchange for more than 500 Palestinian prisoners and other exchanges due to take place on Saturday. But all that has been thrown into question. Hamas said they may delay the release because of what they said were Israeli violations of the agreement. The US President Donald Trump says that if all hostages aren't returned by noon on Saturday, then in his words, all hell will break loose. Meanwhile, after meeting his security cabinet, the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu said said.
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Nick Miles
This the decision that I pass unanimously in the cabinet is this. If Hamas does not return our hostages by Saturday noon, the ceasefire will end and the army will return to intense fighting until Hamas is finally defeated.
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Anne Fogel
So is Benjamin Netanyahu really demanding the release of all hostages on Saturday like President Trump? A question for our correspondent in Jerusalem, Wira Davis.
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Steve Rosenberg
I think Mr. Netanyahu is being deliberately vague. There are members of his Cabinet who've come out and said they back Mr. Trump 100%, and some unofficial comments from the government say, yes, that is what they want, they want all hostages released. But I think in practice that will be very unfeasible because it would mean Netanyahu unilaterally changing the terms of an agreed cease fire. If Hamas, for example, on Friday afternoon, as they've done so far, give a list of three hostages to be released as was planned, and Netanyahu says, all of a sudden, no, that's not enough, we want them all out. And in that case, war would resume, there would be huge repercussions in Israel. The vast majority of people in Israel, especially the families and supporters of the hostages, want the ceasefire deal to continue because they've seen regular releases of hostages. Now, of course, that would take Hamas to change its position. Hamas yesterday said that they were suspending the release of hostages at the weekend because of what they said were Israeli breaches of the ceasefire agreement. If Hamas now changed their position and published the list of three, as they would have done anyway, I think it's been very difficult for Mr. Netanyahu to insist that everybody should be released.
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Anne Fogel
Meanwhile, Hamas have been saying that they want Qatari and Egyptian mediators to intervene to get the ceasefire deal back on track in there, or words, by the sounds of things. It's going to be extremely difficult at this stage for mediators to make any difference.
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Steve Rosenberg
The big challenge at the minute is how do we move from ceasefire part one, which is only two weeks before it finishes, to ceasefire part two, which would involve the release of more hostages and a longer term agreement to formally end the war. Those talks haven't started yet, and that's going to take some effort. So the Israelis, the Hamas delegates, the Qataris, the Egyptians and the Americans are going to have to get round a table, otherwise there will be no stage two. And if there is no stage two, then the likelihood of a resumption of the war is more possible.
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Anne Fogel
And at the moment, Hamas is saying that Israel has been blocking humanitarian aid and that's the reason they're giving for maybe not releasing the next three hostages. Is there any room for movement there?
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Steve Rosenberg
There's undoubtedly a lot more aid getting through to Gaza because of the ceasefire. People are able to travel much more free freely because of the ceasefire. A border between Egypt and Gaza has reopened partially because of the ceasefire. But what Hamas is saying, temporary covered accommodation, things like tents aren't being delivered in the numbers that have been promised. That is a debatable point. And that's something that may have to be resolved in the next couple of days.
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Anne Fogel
Wira Davis well, just how do people on the ground in Gaza view the prospect of the ceasefire unraveling and a return to war? Bazzad told the BBC of his family's reaction to the latest news.
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Wira Davis
All of us felt this sense of discomfort, of fear that war may come back next week. I believe last three weeks were very short, like if the war was just yesterday. What was shocking to us is not the news itself, but also the complicit support of us on it. Like the Trump's statements that he will open the doors of hell on Gaza next Saturday. Again is blaming the victims, is blaming us. Added to this feeling of fear, feelings of anger. Me as I'm a doctor, I faced many scenes that I thinking that if I will live for more than even hundred years, I will not see this again. So it was very hard for us after 15 months war and now ceasefire happened. So everyone is looking forward what we will do and what will be next. Yesterday there's a delaying hostages release after many comments like from United States and from other places that maybe we need the Gazan people to be out of the land to immigrant and we need to have investment inside Gaza. We will buy Gaza. I think this is a normal reaction from the people who handled this agreement of ceasefire because it cannot be like you are sponsor of the ceasefire agreement and at the same time you are speaking about buying Gaza.
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Anne Fogel
All we want are our most basic.
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Wira Davis
Rights such as access to sufficient food, car funds, a shelter for the families.
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Anne Fogel
Whose homes were destroyed.
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Wira Davis
In return, Hamas will hand over the hostage as required. How can they give the hostage with.
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Anne Fogel
Without first giving us our most basic rights? We heard there from people in Gaza, Dalia Fahed and Bazaad. Let's hear now from a relative of one of the hostages being held in Gaza. Sharon Lifshid's parents were taken by Hamas on October 7, 2023. Her mother Jocheved was released, but her father Oded is still being held.
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Wira Davis
I think there's a lot of talk and big talk and very scary talk, but I think we have to keep to brace ourselves and to wait and see what happened. There's a lot of big egos and there's a kind of negotiation tactic and I hope that's what it is. I hope both sides want to continue the deal and actually, you know, we want all the hostages back home. The reports from those that come back that conditions they're held in are petrifying and their Capacity for survival is diminishing all the time. They should all come back as, as pram saying, but for that to happen, we need a ceasefire. We need a withdrawal from Gaza. We need an exchange of prisoners for hostages. There's a very large majority of Israeli public that want this deal to come through, that want the return of hostages in return to a ceasefire and complete withdrawal from Gaza. Just follow the wishes, not just of me and the hostage families, but of the vast majority of the Israeli public. Get that deal completed. It's the most important thing you can do in your life. We have to move on to, you know, to make a sustainable future for the people of the region.
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Anne Fogel
Sharon Lifchitz well, the future of Gaza and the Palestinians living there was discussed at the White House when Donald Trump met Jordan's King Abdullah on Tuesday. On Monday, the US President said he might withhold aid to Jordan and Egypt if they didn't take in large numbers of Palestinians from Gaza. Here's Donald Trump on Tuesday. I believe we'll have a parcel of land in Jordan. I believe we'll have a parcel of land in Egypt.
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Josh Hartnett
We may have someplace else, but I.
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Anne Fogel
Think when we finish our talks, we'll have a place where they're going to live very happily and very safely. Well, King Abdullah had already rejected the idea of taking in Gaza and saying his country is at boiling point as it already hosts millions of refugees. King Abdullah did, however, announce that Jordan would take in 2,000 sick children from Gaza for treatment. Our State Department correspondent, Tom Bateman was at the White House.
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Nick Miles
We learned basically that he is fundamentally doubling down on the two things that he has been saying recently. First of all, and he was asked extensively about his plan to clean out the Gaza Strip, as he's put it, to empty it of Palestinians, plan which appears to involve the forcible relocation of some 2 million people for the US to become the occupying power of Gaza and to turn it into a Mediterranean resort. He talked about building hotels there, said it would look beautiful. And the second was about this noon Saturday deadline that he first revealed on Monday, in which he says that if Hamas doesn't release all of the remaining hostages, that there would be, in his words, hell to pay, the phrase used today, that all bets would be off if that doesn't take place. So sitting next to King Abdullah of Jordan, one of the countries he has said that he expects to take relocated Palestinians, as he puts it in his language, and the Jordanians obviously adamantly opposed to this plan. But we didn't hear that kind of Opposition certainly not being voiced publicly in front of the press.
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Anne Fogel
In the overlock he did, though King Abdullah saying that there will be a united response to the US President's plan. United maybe in the sense of we reject it?
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Nick Miles
Well, I think united he means Arab nations. And what appears to be happening, at least my sense is that Egypt at the moment is working on an alternative proposal to President Trump's plans. Now, this would involve potentially something like a sort of technocratic administration or governance of Gaza, not drawn from political factions. So that obviously keeps Hamas out of the mix. Not clear how they would involve security forces. An absolutely key question. But this is basically, I think the Arab countries led at the moment by Egypt, scrambling to come up with an alternative to Mr. Trump's plan basically for the US to take position possession of the Gaza Strip and to clear out its population. Now, what we heard from King Abdullah is that there was an Egyptian proposal kind of in the works, that they were going to meet in Riyadh under the sponsorship of the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and formulate this proposition, which they would then discuss with the Americans. So I think that's where the Arab countries are at. But this feels like a very sort of quick and putting together at the last minute to desperately try and counteract what Trump is proposing.
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Anne Fogel
Tom Bateman, let's move on to some other news now. And the novelist Salman Rushdie has been testifying in the trial of the man accused of attempting to murder him in 2022. The frenzied stabbing attack at a lecture in New York left Mr. Rushdie blind in one eye. The author has been subject of a fatwa issued by the then Iranian supreme leader since publishing the Satanic verses back in 1988. Our correspondent Neda Torfik is at the court. New York State.
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Neda Tolfik
After more than two and a half years, Salman Rushdie returned to this quaint lakeside town in upstate New York, where he nearly lost his life. At this courthouse not far from the art center where he was due to speak about keeping writers safe that August day, he once again came face to face with his alleged attacker. 27 year old Hattie Mattard looked down as the author, wearing a suit, calmly gave graphic evidence from the witness stand. He recounted how just as he was about to speak at the Chattaqua Institute, he was aware of a person wearing dark clothes and a face mask with dark hair rushing at him. He said he was struck by his dark eyes during the attack. Rushdie said everything happened so quickly. Initially, he thought he had been punched. Turning to illustrate his injuries to the jury. He described the horror of being stabbed and slashed 15 times in a matter of seconds. Lowering his glasses, he showed his blind right eye that had been sewn shut. He held up his hand with severed tendons and nerves that he had raised in self defense. He described a sense of great pain and shock as he had laid in a lake of his own blood, thinking clearly that he was dying. In a previous BBC interview, the Booker Prize winner said he couldn't make sense of the attack.
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Anne Fogel
He took very little trouble to inform himself about the man he was planning to kill. He'd said he'd read a couple of pages, he didn't say of what, and that he'd watched a couple of YouTube videos and decided that I was disingenuous.
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Neda Tolfik
Inside the courtroom, jurors listened intently to Rushdie's testimony, as did his wife and friend who were also present. The 77 year old said he is still recovering. As for his alleged attacker, if convicted, he faces 25 years in prison.
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Anne Fogel
Nedda Tolfik, a billionaire couple, have won a court case here in the uk. A judge ruled they'd get most of the fortune that they paid for a London mansion returned to them. Why? Because the place was infested with moths. Millions of them that got into their food, ruined their clothes and even landed on their kids toothbrushes whilst they were brushing. Stephanie Zakrisen reports.
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Oscar Piastri
If you're buying a house for a staggering $40 million, you're probably expecting to move into your dream home. After all, Horbury Villa had a range of luxury additions like a spa, a gym, a pool and a cinema room. But after the couple, the daughter of a Georgian billionaire and her husband moved into the mansion in London's desirable Notting Hill area, they soon realized their new home also came with some unwanted residents. Lots and lots of moths. Millions of them. The family say they were swatting around a hundred moths a day and they were landing on their children's toothbrushes and on food, floating around in wine glasses and nibbling away at clothes and furniture. After getting exterminators in unable to resolve the infestation, the pair went on to sue the man they bought the property from. The couple argued the seller had made fraudulent misrepresentations when he, on a form before the sale went through, had claimed no knowledge of any vermin problems in the house. But the lawyers found there had been issues. At least two reports from pest control companies pointed out a serious moth infestation in the insulation of the walls. So the judge has ruled that the couple will be able to hand the keys back to the cellar and get most of their money back, plus damages for ruined clothes and furniture.
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Anne Fogel
Stephanie Zachary.
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Carlo Conti
Still to come, George Brewster was the boy that changed the law. And I would like all children to know this boy's name.
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Anne Fogel
Honoring England's last climbing boy, the Victorian child who died after he became stuck up a chimney, triggering national outrage and a change in child labor laws.
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Carlo Conti
Excluding Puesensia.
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Josh Hartnett
What does it take to go racing in the fastest cars in the world? OSCAR piastri.
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Oscar Piastri
Your head's trying to get ripped one.
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Josh Hartnett
Way, your body's trying to go another. Let's stroll.
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Wira Davis
It's very extreme in the sense of how close you're racing, wheel to wheel.
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Josh Hartnett
We've been given unprecedented access to two of the most famous names in Formula One, McLaren and Aston Martin. I'm London Arts. They build a beautiful bit of machinery that I get to then go no fun in. They open the doors to their factories. As the 2024 season reached its peak. I'm Josh Hartnett. This is F1 back at base. Listen, wherever you get your podcasts.
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Anne Fogel
The White House has announced that an American man, a teacher, Mark Fogel, who'd been held in Russia since 2021 on drugs charges, has now been freed. The 63 year old, who once worked as a diplomat at the US Embassy in Moscow, was serving a sentence for being caught in possession of what was said to be a small amount of cannabis. In a moment, we'll hear from Mark's sister. But first, Steve Rosenberg, the BBC's Russia editor in Moscow.
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Steve Rosenberg
We haven't heard from the Russian side. Mark Vogel had been given a 14 year prison sentence. But everything changed when Donald Trump's special envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, flew to Russia, flew to Moscow to secure Mark Fogel's release. He was able to do that. And later, Donald Trump's national security adviser, Mike Waltz, said that the Trump administration had negotiated an exchange that serves as a show of good faith from the Russians and a sign we're moving in the right direction to end the war in Ukraine. So, first of all, this talk about an exchange, we have no details whatsoever about for whom or for what Mark Fogel was exchanged. But also it's interesting, isn't it, that the release of a US prisoner and the war in Ukraine are mentioned in the same paragraph. And I think that amid all the talk we're hearing of possible peace talks to end the war in Ukraine, of some kind of imminent US Peace plan, I suspect that any sign of A thaw in U. S. Russian relations and this kind of language we're seeing show of good faith in the Russians moving in the right direction. I suspect that in Ukraine, in Kyiv, they'll be pretty wary of that and wondering if that means moving in the right direction for Moscow.
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Anne Fogel
Steve Rosenberg speaking from the state of Montana. Mark Fogel's sister, Anne Fogel, gave her reaction to my colleague Celia Hatton.
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Sharon Lifchitz
I just had a shot of Belveny21, and I plan to celebrate from now through the next 24 hours. We're so happy.
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Neda Tolfik
Quite a celebration. Did you know that this was happening?
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Sharon Lifchitz
Well, last week we knew he was removed from the Rybinsk penal colony, so we knew something was afoot. But these negotiations are very tenuous and we weren't sure if they would get the job done. And I'm so pleased to say that he is now flying over Iceland, so it's a great relief.
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Neda Tolfik
Do you know when you will get to see him?
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Sharon Lifchitz
I don't know exactly. He's flying into D.C. today to Andrews Air Force Base, and then he'll say hello to his wife and his children, and then I think he'll fly on to probably San Antonio, Texas, for medical evaluation and psychological evaluation.
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Neda Tolfik
The Biden administration said it had tried to include your brother in the last prisoner swap between the US And Russia. And you had said at the time that you felt you'd been stabbed in the back when he wasn't included in that deal. Why do you think it's happened now under the Trump administration?
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Sharon Lifchitz
I don't have a real answer for you. As I said, I think these negotiations are very difficult, and I don't think that Mark was prioritized at that point in time. It was after that, then that he was designated as wrongfully detained. And I don't know why he wasn't higher on the list in the August swap.
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Neda Tolfik
Does it have anything to do with the new administration being in place?
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Sharon Lifchitz
I think it must. My mother met with Donald Trump about 30 minutes before he was shot in Butler, Pennsylvania, and he had given his word at that point in time that he would get him out if he was elected. And he's true to his word.
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Neda Tolfik
We know that. The US National Security adviser, Mike Wald, said the exchange served as a show of good faith between the US And Russia and a sign they're moving in the right direction to end the war in Ukraine. How do you feel about your brother's release being tied to a wider issue like the end of the conflict there?
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Sharon Lifchitz
These are the giant machinations of world politics at play. It's going to be interesting to look back at this and to see how it all fits into how history plays out. I think that he is probably was utterly shocked when they came for him.
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Anne Fogel
Anne Fogel how to make money out of artificial intelligence occupies the thoughts of many a tech mogul. How to control it keeps many politicians up at night. Well, now 60 countries, including China, have signed an international agreement to develop what they call inclusive, ethical and sustainable artificial intelligence. It came at the end of the AI Action Summit in Paris. But two of the biggest players in the sector, the UK and America, refused to sign up to the deal. The U.S. vice president, J.D. vance, had this warning to those gathered in Paris.
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Josh Hartnett
We believe that excessive regulation of the AI sector could kill a transformative industry just as it's taking off. And we'll make every effort to encourage pro growth AI policies. And I like to see that deregulatory flavor making its way into a lot of the conversations this conference.
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Anne Fogel
Later on though, the French President, Emmanuel Macron explained why regulation of the AI sector was necessary.
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Nick Miles
We do need these rules. This is for AI to move forward.
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Oscar Piastri
This is not being wary of artificial intelligence.
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Nick Miles
It's not running counter to innovation, but it's looking to the future so we.
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Oscar Piastri
Can have an international area where we.
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Nick Miles
Will avoid our efforts being fragmented. And we also want to have AI that we can consider trustworthy and which will unite the international community.
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Anne Fogel
Dr. Stephanie Hair is a broadcaster and writer who specializes in the tech sector and she was at the conference. So what did she make of the two day event and has it changed much?
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Neda Tolfik
I would say yes, it has. There's an American expression, show me the money. This summit, unlike the first one that happened in the United Kingdom at Bletchley park back in November 23, is all about AI opportunities, whereas the first summit was all about AI risks and how to make us safer. This one is actually backing up this talk about AI action and opportunities with money. And we're talking a lot of money. So let's break it down. We've got a 200 billion euros AI investment fund from the European Union and the private sector. That's a pledge. Great. And then the French President, Emmanuel Macron has coughed up a further 109 billion euros for AI investment in France alone. Compare that to the $500 billion Stargate AI investment program that President Trump announced in the United States a couple of weeks ago, and you're getting pretty close to parity there on investments.
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Anne Fogel
Dr. Stephanie Hare it is being called the most significant blow to the Italian Mafia in more than 40 years. Police say that more than 130 members of the group were arrested in and around the Sicilian city of Palermo. Known colloquially as the Cosa Nostradamus, the group terrorized large parts of Italy in the 1980s and 90s. Since then it's been overtaken as Europe's most powerful mob by the Calabrian Ndrangheta. Our reporter Carlo Conti is from Sicily and told me more about this latest strike against the Islands group.
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Carlo Conti
What took place in the early hours of Tuesday in the Sicilian capital of Palermo is being referred to as the biggest anti Mafia operation since at least the 1980s. And it's because of the sheer amount of arrests that were carried out. So over 100 suspected mafia members were arrested and the list of crimes that they are accused of ranges from attempted murder and blackmail to illegal gambling. But perhaps the most important thing that has transpired from this whole operation, which is the result of a months long investigation by the Carabinieri military police, is that the Mafia is not really a relic of the past. It is still operating. It is evolving. And it's evolving alongside technology and it's giving rise to what some Italian media have been describing as the mafia 3.0. So now both the Mafia bosses that are free and the ones who are behind bars have been using latest generation mobile phones with special encrypted software for their meetings. To the point where some bosses from their prison cells have been able to order the beatings of some people that have wronged them and you know, watch it all happen on the screen of a tiny mobile phone.
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Anne Fogel
You grew up in Palermo, in that part of Sicily. Perhaps people will have mixed feelings about what's happened now. On the one hand, fewer members of the Mafia on the streets. On the other, evidence that the Mafia is still very strong.
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Carlo Conti
Yes, that's right, Nick. And well, I, and I think many other Sicilians still feel like the Mafia is kind of a specter that hangs over us. It still finds a way to kind of weave, weave itself into bigger already existing problems and economic crises. So for example, Sicily is currently undergoing one of the most serious water crises in its history. And while of course this is due to droughts and increasingly dry winters, the Mafia there has been able to harness that crisis for profit. For example, by offering water for sale, which is often drawn from illegal wells of questionable purity, and sell it at extortion crisis. So I think many Sicilians still feel disheartened and powerless in the face of it all. And feel that it's a problem that they will never be able to fully eradicate.
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Anne Fogel
Carla Conti. 150 years ago, a chimney sweep aged just 11, died at work in a building in Cambridgeshire in the southeastern part of England. But George Brewster's tragic tale would help change child labor laws here in Britain. On Tuesday, his short life was finally honored with a commemorative blue plaque at the building, a former asylum. Joe Black takes up the story.
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Oscar Piastri
George Brewster died 150 years ago after he became stuck in a chimney here at the former asylum. The building has since been turned into offices. A short ceremony was held in his honor. The blue plaque was awarded by Cambridge Past, present and future. And this application was the first the charity has received for a child. The local amateur historian who researched George Brewster's story, Joanna Hudson, believes the 11 year old was the last so called climbing boy to die in England. His death in 1875 was discussed in Parliament and brought about a momentous turning point, changing child labour laws in Britain. Ms. Hudson says she wants to remind people of the sacrifice and extreme working conditions Victorian children endured.
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Carlo Conti
I'd really love that children, you know, know more about him. I mean, kids today though, you know.
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Anne Fogel
Both of my children have been through.
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Carlo Conti
Primary school and they learned about the Industrial revolution and they learn about child labor laws. But what they don't know is the true stories behind that. And George Brewster was the boy that changed the law. And I would like all children to know this boy's name.
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Oscar Piastri
Ms. Hudson's six year campaign has been supported by various organisations, including the Guild of Master Chimney Sweeps. She says George Brewster died not knowing he would change the lives of thousands of children and that his story would have huge significance not only for Cambridgeshire, but for the whole country.
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Anne Fogel
Joe Black. And that's all from us for now. But there will be a new edition of the Global News podcast later on. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcastbbc.co.uk you can also find us on X@BBC World Service using the hashtag globalnewspod. This edition was mixed by Caroline Driscoll and the producer was Alison Davies. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Nick Miles and until next time, goodbye.
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Josh Hartnett
What does it take to go racing in the fastest cars in the world? Oscar Piastri.
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Oscar Piastri
Your head's trying to get ripped one.
- [31:24]
Josh Hartnett
Way, your body's trying to go another. Let's stroll.
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Wira Davis
It's very extreme in the sense of how close you're racing wheel to wheel.
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Josh Hartnett
We've been given unprecedented access to two of the most famous names in Formula One, McLaren and Aston Martin. I'm Landon Aris.
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Anne Fogel
I'm.
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Josh Hartnett
They build a beautiful bit of machinery that I get to then go and have fun in. They open the doors to their factories as the 2024 season reached its peak. I'm Josh Hartnett. This is F1 back at base. Listen, wherever you get your podcasts.