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Man arrested after car drives into Vancouver street festival
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Canadian police say the driver has a history of mental health problems
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Simon Jack
This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the uk.
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Zing Singh
I'm Zing Singh.
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Simon Jack
And I'm Simon Jack.
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Zing Singh
And together we host Good Bad Billionaire, the podcast exploring the lives of some.
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Simon Jack
Of the world's richest people.
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Zing Singh
In the new season, we're setting our sights on some big names. Yep, Lebron James and Martha Stewart, to.
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Simon Jack
Name just a few.
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Zing Singh
And as always, Simon and I are trying to decide whether we think they're good, bad or just another billionaire.
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Simon Jack
That's good. Bad Billionaire from the BBC World Service.
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Zing Singh
Listen now wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Foreign this is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Bernard Etchio and in the early hours of Monday, 28th April, these are our main stories. Canadian police say a man arrested after a car was rammed into festival goers In Vancouver, killing 11 people suffered mental health problems. Israel has carried out its first airstrike in about a month on the southern suburbs of the Lebanese capital, Beirut. The authorities in southern Iran have announced three days of mourning for dozens of people who died in a massive explosion at the country's biggest commercial port. Also in this podcast, a heartwarming story. Residents of a small town in the U. S. State of Michigan form a human chain to help a bookshop owner move thousands of items to new premises further down the street. Police in Canada have described an incident that is now known to have killed 11 people at a Filipino street festival as a car ramming attack. More than 20 people were injured in the incident on Saturday in Vancouver. An investigation is ongoing. The driver, a man in his 30s, was arrested at the scene. Yousef Vaday was selling buns from a food truck at the festival when the attack happened.
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Simon Jack
I barely made it like maybe 20ft.
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Zing Singh
And I just saw just in that.
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Simon Jack
Small amount of space how much devastation there was.
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Zing Singh
We're talking bodies were underneath food trucks.
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Lise Doucet
That were hit by the car and.
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Simon Jack
You know, people crying over their loved.
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Zing Singh
Ones like within 20ft of me. Police say they're not treating the incident as an act of terrorism. Addressing the nation, the Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney said he was devastated and heartbroken and sent this message of unity.
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Lise Doucet
The strength and the resilience of the Filipino Canadian community is exemplified by the Tugalog term bayan. It captures the Filipino spirit of community, of cooperation and unity to achieve a common goal. And it's this spirit upon which we must draw in this incredibly difficult time. We will comfort the grieving, we will care for each other, we will unite in common purpose.
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Zing Singh
Later, the police gave more details about the incident. Our chief international correspondent, Lise Doucet was listening. So what more have we learned?
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Bernard Etchio
We've learned that the numbers keep rising. The first reports were that nine had been killed. Now that number is. The police also say there have been dozens of injured. They didn't say how serious the injuries are, but it means that we could still possibly see the death toll rise, which means this is a higher casualty toll than the last incident in Toronto in 2018, where there was also a car ramming incident where 10 people were killed. We also, in that police press conference received more details about the man who was described as being in his 30s, who's said to have acted alone. He's now described as having had a history of mental health problems which brought him to have interactions with the police. That, of course, may raise questions as to why he was still able to live in the community and be at liberty to carry out this act of violence. And of course, it comes at a very, very sensitive time in Canada, just the day before elections, which are being described as one of the most consequential in the country's history. There's no sense in which it had anything to do with the election, but it has landed in a very, very political charged time.
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Zing Singh
This is a very rare incident in Vancouver. Lise, how are people reacting?
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Bernard Etchio
Anyone listening who's been to Vancouver or heard about Vancouver? It's a beautiful city with mountains and forests on the west coast of Canada on the Pacific Ocean. It's known in Canada as one of the country's most densely populated and diverse communities. History of many strong immigrant communities. And now it's been shattered by this. And of course, Canadians like to proudly say that they don't have the kind of gun culture and the frequent gun violence in the United States. But it reminds Canadians that they are not immune from this kind of shocking, random violence, which takes so many lives and causes such heartbreak in the communities. And it is a heartbreak that's being felt right across Canada and beyond. Today we have the leader of the Philippines also expressing his condolences, since it was the Canadian Filipino community which was affected, although we understand that they weren't targeted. They just happened to be where this man decided to carry out his act.
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Zing Singh
Now, you've referred to Monday's general election. Might this incident have any bearing on that?
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Bernard Etchio
It's so close. There's just hours to go. What we've seen now is statements from all of the party leaders, of course, expressing shock about this devastating event. For from the leader of the Conservatives, Pierre Poiev, who's fighting a very tight race against the man in the lead, Mark Carney, who now heads the Liberal Party. He called for national unity. At this hour, some of the political campaigning has been paused. But this is the kind of issue that the Conservative leader has focused on in his election campaign, accusing the Liberal Party, which has been in power for the last decade, of letting people go from jail about not rounding up the criminals, not being tough enough on crime. The question is whether at this moment of mourning, whether Pierre Prolev, in order to try to maximize, sadly, this tragedy for political gain, whether he would choose to focus on it because, of course, it is the day of sadness. And so to try to take political capital from it would be unseemly. But let's see. The last rallies will be held tonight across this country.
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Zing Singh
Liz Doucet In Canada, the Israeli military has carried out an airstrike on the southern suburbs of the Lebanese capital, Beirut. Video footage appears to show three missiles hitting the site. From Beirut, here's Hugo Bochega.
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Lise Doucet
It's the first time in almost a month that Israel has struck Beirut's southern suburbs, known as the Dahir, where Hezbollah is based. The attack followed an evacuation warning issued by the Israeli military for a building in the area. This will put further pressure on a ceasefire that came into force five months ago and ended the war between Israel and Hezbollah. Despite the deal, Israel has struck targets it says are linked to Hezbollah. Almost every day, the Lebanese president has urged the US And France to put pressure on Israel to stop the attacks.
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Zing Singh
Hugo Bochega in Lebanon. Next to Iran, state media say the number of people killed by a massive explosion at the country's largest commercial port has risen to more than a thousand are now said to have been hurt by the blast near Banda Abbas on Saturday. The local authorities have declared three days of mourning. Schools and offices were closed on Sunday in Bandar Abbas as heavy smoke and fumes spread through the area. Joe Inwood reports.
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Simon Jack
Port CCTV captured the moment a shipping container caught fire. Over the course of 90 seconds, the flames grow in intensity. Workers begin to run before it explodes with such ferocity, it cut out the camera feed. Speaking from his hospital bed, one worker told Iranian state TV about the moment of the blast. The entire warehouse was filled with smoke, dust and ashes, he said. I don't remember if I went under the table or was thrown there by the blast. The authorities fought the flames into the night. And the next day, Iran's president announced an investigation into the blast that all but destroyed Iran's biggest and most Advanced port. The contents of the container have not yet been confirmed, but one private maritime risk consultancy said it believed it was transporting solid fuel destined for ballistic missiles. Whatever the cause, it has done vast damage to a crucial Iranian port.
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Zing Singh
Joe Inwood. There were long queues on Sunday outside the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome, where Pope Francis was buried the day before. It was his favorite church in the Italian capital, and he's become the first pope to be interred outside the Vatican in more than a century. Our religion editor Ali MacBool reports from Rome.
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Lise Doucet
Breaking with recent tradition, Pope Francis is buried at the Santa Maria Maggiora church in the center of Rome. Thousands gathered there from the early morning before filing into the basilica. The tomb, a discreet spot in a niche a little way down the left nave, was one Pope Francis specified in a plan he left. It's just next to the entrance of the Pauline Chapel in the basilica, a place he'd visited hundreds of times, especially before and after trips to pray in front of a celebrated icon, a historic painting of the Virgin Mary. His marble tomb has just one word inscribed along it, the Latin version of his chosen name, Franciscus. Above it on the wall of the niche, just a reproduction of the cross Pope Francis always wore from the chain around his neck.
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Zing Singh
The crowds at Saturday's funeral were testament to the popularity of the late pope, an energetic reformer who championed the poorest and most vulnerable. The former President of Ireland, Mary MacAleese holds a doctorate in canon law and has advocated for greater roles for women in the church and a change to the Church's position on homosexuality. What does she make of Francis legacy?
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Mary MacAleese
My memory of Pope Francis will fall really into two rough spheres. I characterize the great gift that he was in many ways, not just to the church, but to the world. He had a great sense of sacred regard for the human person, all human beings, and in particular, of course, the poor, the marginalized, the oppressed, the overlooked, those who were victims of violence, for whom he had a really big, strong heart. Here he had a platform. I think it was Ban Ki Moon who described it as the pulpit of the world. And he used that very effectively, effectively and very courageously. But then there was a second sphere. He was the supreme governor of the Catholic Church, the supreme legislator of the Church. And the Church also experienced in a fairly severe existential crisis, particularly in the Western world, huge problems, not of his making, incidentally, but that go right back really to the 1960s. He wasn't a strategic man. He was a man who dealt in spontaneity when he came to Rome, I don't think he had a plan for the advancement of women in the Church. And I'm not just talking about coordination here of women, though that is an issue, of course. But I'm talking about the fact that women are completely excluded from formulating any kind of policy within the Church. But he had an innate empathy for those who were excluded. And he also was a populist. He liked to say things that pleased people, saying to a young woman who'd had an abortion, who was worried about where was her baby, and he said the baby was in heaven, even though that is absolutely not what the Church teaches. But then behind his desk, with the capacity to change all of that, to change the terrible language used in relation to homosexuals, the word evil is used, intrinsically disordered is used. Some of the language used in relation to women is at the very least paternalistic and, of course, some of it deeply misogynistic. He had the opportunity to change all of that, changed none of it, not one word. What he did do in response to pressure didn't come from him inside himself. He didn't come with an agenda to open up the curia to women or the Church. He was pressured to do that from below. The laity were demanding it, as indeed were quite a number of priests, even the very odd bishop. And so he was responding to the pressure cooker that was ready to explode in the Church. His job was to hold the line as well as he could. Kind of spontaneous plaster sticking rather than a strategy for the future.
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Zing Singh
The former President of Ireland, Mary MacAleese. Next to Washington. Although President Trump's schedule changed at short notice at the weekend, by travelling to Rome for the Pope's funeral, he hadn't been expected to attend the annual White House Correspondence Dinner, which took place on Saturday. The event is a long standing fixture and he's the only modern president not to attend while in office. The White House Correspondent's Dinner celebrates the First Amendment and the importance of having a free press. And traditionally, a professional comedian criticises the President and he can also sling some jokes back at the guests. So what actually happened at the event this year? Paul Henley spoke to David Smith, the Guardian newspaper's Washington correspondent who attended the bash. How significant was the President's absence?
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Simon Jack
It certainly was a big deal. Traditionally, the President always attends and makes the biggest headlines and is the star attraction. And I think pretty much every president historically has come to this dinner, going back a century, with the exception, of course, of Donald Trump in his first term. So it is a little bit like Hamlet without the prince. And that was compounded this time because there was also no after dinner comedian. Normally you get an entertainer following the president telling some political sassire jokes and things like that. And that was also missing. So it did make for a more serious and sober evening. And, you know, Donald Trump's presence loomed in his absence. And what was the message received, the fact that he didn't come? Well, I think the, perhaps the most powerful moment of the evening was a montage of video clips of Donald Trump's predecessors, former presidents such as Bill Clinton, George H.W. bush, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Ronald Reagan and so on. Each of them extolling the importance of, of freedom of the press and the crucial role that the media plays. And that really drove home the point that Trump is an outlier here and that this was not just journalists saying this, but presidents themselves have celebrated the First Amendment and, you know, protection of freedom of speech. And that message was also driven home by Eugene Daniels, the, the president of the White House Correspondence association, who was very careful not to attack Donald Trump directly, but nevertheless talks about the importance of letting journalists get on and do their jobs and not face political interference. All this is supposed to be seen through the prism of humour. Does President Trump do humor, in your opinion? He likes to mock people. That's a great question. I think many people would say if you go to a Donald Trump campaign rally and he's riffing for an hour and a half, there's always at least one or two moments when you perhaps catch yourself involuntarily laughing at something he says. There's a certain down to earthness at moments, there's a sort of ridicule, there's an absurdity that he brings to it. I've even heard him compared to Shakespeare's Richard III in that sense, in that he combines the comedy with the darkness and the authoritarianism. And in some ways that works to his political advantages. It's harder to take the authoritarianism seriously when he's also joking. So, yeah, I think he's not a man with a great degree of self awareness. And it's pretty rare that you actually see Donald Trump laughing and yet at his knockabout rallies, there is some comedy and humor there. And certainly if you asked any die hard Donald Trump supporter that they would tell you that they think he's funny and he's an entertainer and a, an antidote to generations of stiff, professional, overproduced politicians.
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Zing Singh
David Smith, the Guardian newspaper's Washington correspondent, still to come I'm running for Headway.
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Simon Jack
The Brain Injury Trust, attempting a world record. Unfortunately didn't get it today. Just an incredible day out. I've raised loads of money and I'm really grateful to everybody that sponsored me and I'm never doing another marathon again.
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Zing Singh
Tens of thousands of people have taken part in this year's London Marathon. I'm Xing Singh.
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Simon Jack
And I'm Simon Jack.
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Zing Singh
And together we host Good Bad Billionaire, the podcast exploring the lives of some.
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Simon Jack
Of the world's richest people.
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Zing Singh
In the new season, we're setting our sights on some big names.
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Simon Jack
Yep, LeBron James and Martha Stewart, to name just a few.
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Zing Singh
And as always, Simon and I are trying to decide whether we think they're good, bad or just another billionaire.
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Simon Jack
That's good Bad Billionaire from the BBC World Service.
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Zing Singh
Listen now, wherever you get your BBC podcasts. On Sunday, Holocaust survivors joined government officials, soldiers and veterans in northern Germany for a ceremony marking the 80th anniversary of the liberation of the Bergen Belsen concentration camp. Tens of thousands of people, most of them Jewish, were killed at the Nazi camp. Our correspondent Duncan Kennedy reports from Bergen Belsen on Sunday's event.
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Lise Doucet
The very name is enough to summon demons from history. Belsen, scene of unspeakable horrors today recalled by those unable to forget them. 450 survivors and their families came to Belsen to mark the 80th anniversary of liberation. They included Mala Tribich, now 94 and still able to recount the appalling suffering.
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Michelle Tuplin
You could very easily come across a dead body here, there and everywhere. And the people that were there were like skeletons. They're often just shuffling along and there's just death everywhere.
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Lise Doucet
When British and Canadian troops entered Belsen in April 1945, they came across scenes of shocking human privation and misery. The dead were unburied. The living shuffled around, emaciated and spectral, like the BBC's Richard Dimbleby bore witness in a landmark broadcast. Here, over an acre of ground lay dead and dying people.
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Simon Jack
You could not see which was which.
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Mary MacAleese
Except perhaps by a convulsive movement or.
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Lise Doucet
The last quiver of a sigh from a living skeleton too weak to move. Today's anniversary is a commemoration to those who never left here forever to be a part of a crime that continues to arc its way across history.
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Zing Singh
That report by Duncan Kennedy. In Germany, it's exactly a month since Myanmar was rocked by an earthquake, the most powerful in more than a century. The epicentre was close to Mandalay, Myanmar's second city. Buildings were destroyed, thousands made homeless, and lives Lost. It would have been a disaster in any country. But more so in Myanmar, where the ruling military hunter is facing an insurgency on several fronts, which has complicated the delivery of aid. So what's the situation on the ground? Four weeks on. Arnaud de BAC is head of the International Committee of the Red Cross delegation based in Yangon. Last week, he was in Mandalay. He told my colleague Julian Marshall what he saw.
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Lise Doucet
A lot of destruction, some buildings, some schools, some individual houses. And then comes the night, and you see people sleeping outside side a lot of street food. The typical dishes they're preparing is the Myanmar curry rice, a bit of meat or potatoes or fish, and different vegetables that come with that. I think you see a lot of street food because people, many places, can't cook inside. So you have this communal kitchen, then they queue to get the food. And you also have individual family who just prepare. And the solidarity is very strong. So they would cook also for the neighbors, for their families coming in. The pavements have become places where they live, trying to sell what they have and to cook for people. And when the night comes, cleaning up, tidying up that area and setting it up for the families to have a sleep. About one third of people have lost their homes. Those who could resume their normal life have done it. The others are just trying to rebuild something. The monsoon is coming soon, and that's a big objective, to have everybody back in something good enough for the rainy season. But for the moment, temperature is very high. It's over 40 degrees during the day. That's really the end of the dry, hot season in Myanmar. But already you've had the episodes of rain and even a couple of tropical storms that, on top of the aftershocks, were very scary for the people. And at night it comes down maybe 30, 28 Celsius, but still quite hot.
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Simon Jack
I mean, Magdalene was once a royal capital with a palace and pagodas.
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Lise Doucet
There were markets where craftsmen work with silk and gold leaf. It must look very different now. Yeah, all these ancient buildings, the major pagodas, have just like, crumbled on themselves. Any sign, though, of official help, of people having to rebuild their houses themselves? Every system is trying to organize themselves again, but the outcome is still a very challenging situation for most of the people. About one third of the people cannot go back to their homes. And even these are people with a job and something others who have lost everything are just with no option but to sleep on the street and try and build a new life. But it's definitely not back to normal.
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Zing Singh
Arnaud Bak from the International Committee of the Red Cross, or icrc. Now a heart warming story about the attachment people can have to their local bookshops. One such bookstore in the small town of Chelsea in the northern U.S. state of Michigan has made headlines after residents formed a human chain to help move more than 9,000 of its books to new premises further down the street. About 300 people grouped themselves into a so called book brigade to help the staff of Serendipity Books move their stock to a new home.
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Simon Jack
Oh yeah, now we're talking.
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Zing Singh
Michelle Tuplin, the owner of Serendipity Books, is originally from northern England. Paul Henley asked if the book brigade had been her idea.
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Michelle Tuplin
I would love to take sole credit, but actually I'd seen it before. I'd seen other bookstores and libraries move this way. And so I knew it was something that was, in theory at least, doable, and I just wanted to give it a go.
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Simon Jack
Describe the scene, would you? How many books are being passed along the pavement? How many people are there? What are people saying?
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Michelle Tuplin
So we had 9,100 books we needed to move from the old store, which was on the middle street, to a new one on main Street. It was about 400ft, so a pretty good sized block. And I knew that I needed people lined up in the old store, in the store as well. So people would pass from one bookshelf all the way down the street, hand by hand, each individual, individual book until they were placed on the new bookcases in the new shop. And I put the call out and 300 people showed up. It was just unbelievable. And there was such joy and happiness and excitement. Singing, dancing, people telling stories about the books. It was just unbelievable.
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Simon Jack
People must love your bookshop.
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Michelle Tuplin
I think maybe they do.
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Simon Jack
But it says a lot about the place as well, doesn't it? And I know that Chelsea describes itself as a place where neighbors help neighbors. This proves it.
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Michelle Tuplin
Yes, I think so. I think so. And certainly, certainly it also speaks to the important role that independent bookstores play in a community. You know, they really can be the heartbeat of a community. And that seems to be the case here, I think as well. You know, right now people are feeling very anxious and to be able to just do something that speaks to community and is heartfelt like that was obviously a popular choice right now.
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Simon Jack
Can you paint a picture of Chelsea? What kind of place is it?
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Michelle Tuplin
It's a pretty small, quintessential American small town. My nephew came out to visit recently and he said, oh, it's just like I imag on the tv. Everybody seems to know everybody else. There's a farmer's market, there's a library, there's a few shops in the middle of town. And yeah, it's just one of those places where everybody knows each other.
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Simon Jack
The picture that is being painted to a lot of people of America at the moment is not necessarily of a place where everyone looks out for each other, where kindness is every day and where people think of other people first. I mean, either the picture's wrong or you're bucking the trend. What is it?
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Michelle Tuplin
I think the picture's wrong. I think there is a lot of hate and there's a lot of horrible stories coming out of the United States right now. But that is not representative of everybody and everybody does not feel that way and everybody doesn't act that way. It's very unfortunate and lots of people are fighting hard to remain kind and to remain community focused and to focus on the things that really matter still.
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Simon Jack
How's the new bookshop coming along?
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Michelle Tuplin
Oh, it is gorgeous and I am so excited to be able to welcome everybody. I'm a little bit terrified with all of the attention that we've received as to what is going to actually happen, but we are ready and it's going to be so fun.
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Zing Singh
Michelle Tuplin, the owner of Serendipity Books in Chelsea, Michigan. And I wonder how long it took to move all those books here in London. Tens of thousands of people have taken part in the London marathon which has seen world record and course record times set by the elite athletes. Our sports correspondent Nesta McGregor was watching.
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Simon Jack
This year's event saw a world record number of runners on the start line. More than 57000 people. Warm weather and near perfect marathon conditions meant course records could topple. And they did.
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Zing Singh
The former world record holder second here.
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Simon Jack
In London last year comes back and turns it into a magnificent victory. Tigest Safa of Kenya set a new women's only world record with a time of 2:15:50. The men's elite race was decided by one runner's decision not to take on water. While others headed to a hydration station, Kenya's Sebastian Saweh opened a gap that only grew further.
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Lise Doucet
And he's beaten them all.
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Simon Jack
Sebastian sawyer is the 2025 London Marathon champion. He finished in the time of 2 hours, 2 minutes and 27 seconds. Britain's Mohamed Mohammed finished ninth, while the triathlon Olympic champion Alex Yi finished a respectable 14th on his marathon debut. Meanwhile, the wheelchair races were dominated by the Swiss Marcel Hug and Catherine De Brunner crossing the line first in their respective races. For many though, today, where they finished wasn't important. They were running for someone or for charity. I'm running for Headway, the Brain Injury Trust, attempting a world record. Unfortunately didn't get it today, but yeah, just an incredible day out. I've raised loads of money and I'm really grateful to everybody that sponsored me and I'm never doing another marathon again. People dressed as a Ferris wheel, a pizza and a shark were all seen on the course.
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Zing Singh
Nesta McGregor reporting. Now to an English town, a famous singer, a successful concert and a dreadful journey home.
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Simon Jack
Join us this Sunday at Stockport train station when we will be unveiling a Stockport music Story plaque to commemorate David Bowie spending the night on the station platform.
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Zing Singh
The singer David Bowie played at some renowned venues during his long career, from Madison Square Garden to Wembley. One of his lesser known gigs was in Stockport in Northwest England in the 1970s. He was booked by a group of school students to play an acoustic set. The gig at the Poker Club was a sellout, but his travel plans were disrupted when he missed the last train home. Bill Frost was the person behind the booking and was at the station for the unveiling of the plaque to recall the star's extended stay in Stockport. Before that event, Paddy O'Connell spoke to him.
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Lise Doucet
When David Bowie arrived at the Poco Poco really, he was quite a diminutive guy and he was a really n. Polite guy and he was wearing this huge long secondhand raf gray trench coat and a guitar over his. His shoulder. And amidst came into the club when we were trying to get everything sorted out and he was hungry and he was thirsty, so Mike McCormack took him for a pint in a bar in the club and afterwards Taft took him across the road and sorted him out with some food. He had a. He came back with a. His tea in his hand. He had a pork pie in one hand and an egg custard in the other, which was amazing. Everybody was laughing. And then I took him down to the dressing room and we talked about the gig and how it was going to work and. And it was a really fantastic evening. It really was. I remember going down afterwards when he'd finished the set and he had to go early and we had to pay him in like 1 pound and 5 pound notes and stuff like that. And you know, with all the money that we picked up at the door, you know, that was hilarious. I'm just reading that Stockport has a very proud tradition of touring bands. The who, the Kinks, Small Faces, Pink Floyd, Rod Stewart, Elton John. The Beatles played there at Offherton Palace Theatre. The Stones played at the Isoldo Cinema in 64.
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Simon Jack
Do you think it was more normal.
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Lise Doucet
To be able to pull this off in 1970? I mean, I suspect it probably was, but there again, we were a bunch of cheeky kids from Stockport School and we formed the Students Union. There were no mobile phones, no technology in those days, so everything had to be word of mouth. And I think, in a sense, somebody said this, that we felt we could do whatever we wanted, we could do anything. And, yeah, it maybe probably was a little bit easier.
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Zing Singh
Then Bill Frost, who organised a music gig in northern England 55 years ago with the singer David Bowie, resulting in him missing the last train home and having to sleep on the platform overnight. And that's all from us for now. But there'll be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcastbc.co.uk. you can also find us on X at BBC World Service, use the hashtag globalnewspod. This edition was mixed by Caroline Driscoll. The producer was Liam McSheffrey. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Berners Ecchio. Until next time. Goodbye. I'm Zing Singh.
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Simon Jack
And I'm Simon Jack.
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Zing Singh
And together we host Good Bad Billionaire, the podcast exploring the lives of some.
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Simon Jack
Of the world's richest people.
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Zing Singh
In the new season, we're setting our sights on some big names. Yep, LeBron James and Martha Stewart, to.
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Simon Jack
Name just a few.
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Zing Singh
And as always, Simon and I are trying to decide whether we think they're good, bad or just another billionaire.
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Simon Jack
That's Good Bad Billionaire from the BBC World Service.
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Zing Singh
Listen now, wherever you get your BBC podcasts.