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Sudan civil war: the terrifying escape from El Fasher
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The BBC visits a camp where people are taking refuge after the fall of Sudan's El Fasher
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Alex Ritson
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Alex Ritson
This is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Alex Ritson and in the early hours of Monday, the 1st of December, these are our main stories. Sudanese people who fled the besieged city of El Fha give testimony on what they witnessed during one of the most brutal chapters of the civil war. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu asks President Herzog for a formal pardon over his corruption cases and the BBC investigates claims the Georgian authorities may have used chemical weapons against anti government protesters. Also in this podcast, Blessed are the peacemakers.
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Guest / Interviewee
May you speak just one language, namely.
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Alex Ritson
The language of hope that by always starting afresh, draws everyone together. The latest from the Pope's first overseas trip and what's the word of the year? The fall of Al Fasha, just over a month ago, was one of the most horrific events in Sudan's civil war. The city had been surrounded by the paramilitary Rapid support forces for 18 months before they eventually broke through, expelling the Sudanese army from its last stronghold in the western region of Darfur. It was a huge victory for the rsf, but widespread accounts of brutality, killing and rape have drawn international condemnation. Our correspondent Barbara Platt Ascher has traveled to a camp in northern Sudan to hear firsthand the stories of those who escaped. The camp is located in army controlled territory and the BBC team was monitored at all times and a warning listeners may find parts of this Report distressing.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
We're in the desert on the outskirts of the town of Al Dabba. Row after row of tents set up in the sand and it's very hot. People try to squeeze into the bits of shade offered by the tents where they can. The children are running around and playing. Right at the edge of the camp is a place where the newest arrivals have gathered, waiting to be assigned tents. And we've been speaking to some of them about their experiences. Mohammed Abakar Ahmed Adam is sitting on the ground with his family. He was a local official in a camp for displaced people next to Al Fashr, who fled to the city as the RSF advanced, then fled again when the paramilitaries captured it. The road here was full of death, he says.
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Alex Ritson
They shot some people directly in front of us, then they carried them and threw them far away and on the road. We saw dead bodies out in the open, unburied. Some had lain there for two or three days.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
RSF fighters also raped women, he said, corroborating widespread accounts of sexual violence.
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Alex Ritson
They would take a woman behind a tree or take her far from us, out of sight, so you wouldn't see with your own eyes, but you would hear her shout, help me, help me. And she would come and say, they raped me.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
There are mostly women here. Many don't want to be identified to protect those left behind. One 19 year old woman told us the RSF took a girl from the group she was traveling with and they had to leave her behind. I was scared, she says, when they took her out of the car at the checkpoint, I was afraid that at every checkpoint they would take a girl, but they just took her and that was it until we got here. She'd traveled with her younger sister and brother. Her mother was not in Al Fashr when it fell, so they escaped the city on foot with their grandmother. But she died before they reached the first stop, leaving them to carry on alone. My grandmother passed out and I thought it might be from lack of food or water, she says. I checked her pulse, but she didn't wake up. So I found a doctor in a nearby village. He came and he said, you, grandmother has given you her soul. I didn't know how I would tell my mother it was the 15 year old brother they were all worried about. Because the RSF suspected that fleeing men had fought with the army.
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Alex Ritson
They took the young men out of the cars and interrogated us for hours in the hot sun. They said we were soldiers. Some of the older ones probably were the RSF fighters stood over us and circled around us, whipping us and threatening us with their guns. I lost hope and told them, whatever you want to do to me, do it. But finally they let me go.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
He and his two sisters journeyed hundreds of miles through the desert to get here. A camp in army held territory. We found Abdelkader wandering around the camp, a 62 year old man trying to get his family registered for a tent. He was crippled during the long siege of Al Fashr because he couldn't find medicine for his diabetes. But he was so panicked by the rsf, he didn't feel the pain as he ran.
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Alex Ritson
They were shooting at the people, the elderly, the civilians, with live ammunition. They would empty their guns on them. Some of the RSF came with their cars. They saw someone was still breathing. They drove over them. At the checkpoint, when they separated the men from the women, boom, boom, boom. They shot them. They shot the men.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
The RSF told the BBC it's investigating individual violations, but it denies systematic abuse of civilians. Both sides are accused of war crimes. People in the camp have been broken again and again, but they are resilient. This particularly brutal chapter in Sudan's civil war has focused greater international attention on trying to end the conflict. But for those here, any hope they have is grounded in their faith.
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Alex Ritson
That report by Barbara Plat Usher. Just weeks after Donald Trump asked Israel's president to pardon the Prime Minister in his ongoing corruption trial, Benjamin Netanyahu has made the same request. Mr. Netanyahu, who denies wrongdoing, told President Herzog that his trial required him to testify three times a week. And this demand was making it difficult for him to govern and threatened Israel's security. James Cook reports from Jerusalem. For five years, Benjamin Netanyahu has battled.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
Charges of bribery, fraud and breach of trust.
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Alex Ritson
He's battled, too, for his political survival. Now, while maintaining his innocence, he wants a pardon, insisting the cases against him.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
Are tearing the nation apart. Israel, he said, faced great challenges and great opportunities.
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Alex Ritson
And in order to fend off the threats and seize the opportunities, national unity was required. The Prime Minister's stewardship of Israel before.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
The Hamas led attacks on October 7.
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Alex Ritson
2023, and his conduct of the war in Gaza since have both been highly controversial. So too has this latest move.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
I think that if he would resign, I would be happy to grant him reconciliation. My son was killed on October 7th on kibbutz, and I think that he should take responsibility for that. To ask for a pardon without admitting any guilt, without losing any position, without.
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Guest / Interviewee
It affecting his life whatsoever.
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Alex Ritson
Other than that he gets of scot.
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Guest / Interviewee
Free, I certainly don't think that he should get it.
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Alex Ritson
I think basically it was a minor infraction and it really won't help the country except for people who hate Netanyahu. So I would hope Herzog will agree and then we can get done with all this. Mr. President, why don't you give him a pardon? Benjamin Netanyahu does have at least one very powerful backer. The Israeli president's office have described this.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
Formal request for a pardon from the prime minister as an extraordinary step with.
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Alex Ritson
Significant implications and have promised to consider it responsibly and sincerely. But Isaac Herzog is now under intense pressure from allies and opponents of Benjamin Netanyahu.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
That was clear outside the president's home tonight. The prime minister's opponents say a pardon.
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Alex Ritson
Would require an admission of guilt, an.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
Expression of remorse and his immediate retirement from political life. An unconditional reprieve for Benjamin Netanyahu say.
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Alex Ritson
His critics could provoke a constitutional crisis. James Cook the last few weeks have seen a lot of shuttle diplomacy as the Trump administration tries to build international support for its latest plan to end the war between Russia and Ukraine. Later today, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, will be in Paris to discuss the proposals with his French counterpart. And in the next few days, the US Envoy, Steve Witkoff, is expected to travel to Russia. The US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, described Sunday's talks with Ukrainian officials in Florida as productive, but said there's more work to be done. In a moment, we'll get reaction from Keev, but first, our correspondent in Washington, Sean Dilley, told us more about Mr. Rubio's comments and the tone he struck. Upbeat, but also managing expectations. He said it was complex and had many moving parts, as well as being quite delicate, of course, because of some of the issues that are still to be decided, but certainly saying it was very productive. It had an awful lot to say about wanting to end the bloodshed, America wanting to find a solution. But it wasn't just about ending the war. Let's take a listen to what Marco Rubio said. We don't just want to end the war.
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Guest / Interviewee
We also want to help Ukraine be safe forever so never again will they face another invasion. And equally importantly, we want them to.
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Alex Ritson
Enter an age of true prosperity. We want the Ukrainian people to emerge from this war not just to rebuild their country, but to build it back.
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Guest / Interviewee
In a way that will be stronger.
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Alex Ritson
And more prosperous than it's ever been. President Trump was speaking to a gaggle of reporters as he was boarding Air Force One on his way from Florida to the White House. He said that the talks were going, and they were going well. He confirmed that his special envoy, Steve Witkoff, would be on his way to Moscow because, as Marco Rubio had acknowledged, Russia weren't in the room during these talks. They would ultimately have to agree. But some of those matters still to be determined, are going to be quite complex. The issues of land in Ukraine, the issues of downsizing and limiting the size of the military. But it does look like it's at least moving in the right direction. And now it's over to US negotiators on Moscow to see what they can agree on and what they can't. Well, the US plan had initially been seen as favoring Russia. So what does Ukraine make of the current position? Kyiv's new peace talks Negotiator Rustem Umarov sounded positive after the meeting.
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Guest / Interviewee
Our objective is a prosperous, strong Ukraine. We were discussing about the future of Ukraine. We discussed all the matters that are important for Ukraine, for Ukrainian people, and us was super supportive.
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Alex Ritson
The details of the White House proposals are still unclear, but our Kyiv correspondent, James Waterhouse, says the US has told Ukraine it faces stark choices. They're basically saying to Kyiv, you need to face the battlefield reality. There's also a military reality. We're giving you the weapons that we can spare, but Europe can't make them quick enough to face the superior size. Russia. Now, President Zelensky is bruised. There is no doubt about that. He's lost his chief of staff from a corruption scandal that won't go away. And interestingly, one man widely tipped to succeed him as president, Valeri Zaluzhny, who is a former head of the armed forces. He's the ambassador to the uk. He's written in the Telegraph newspaper where he has talked about any peace deal needing to address the politics of. Of Russia's invasion being the capitulation of Ukraine. In the absence of that, he argues, as many Ukrainians do, the need for security guarantees. He said, you know, the NATO membership or even stationing nuclear missiles inside Ukraine, that is already being ruled out by senior US politicians. It's very hard to see Russia going for that as well. You know, he's. It's already said it's a. It's a red line. Nevertheless, that is the rub, and it is a chasm of disagreement as to how this peace deal could be reached. President Zelenskyy will travel to Paris. He's expected to head to Ireland after that and will keep A lookout for any dramatic changes in his diary, James Waterhouse. Sri Lanka has appealed for international help as it struggles to tackle some of the worst flooding in its recent history. More than 330 people are known to have been killed in in the aftermath of Cyclone Detoire. A massive search and rescue operation is underway to find those who are still missing. There's also been devastating flooding across much of Southeast Asia. Our global affairs reporter Anbarasan ETI Rajan gave me this update.
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Anbarasan ETI Rajan / Alim Macbool
Several teams have been deployed across Sri Lanka. They are now clearing many roads that were blocked by landslides and fallen trees. Many bridges were damaged. So they were able to build these temporary networks and bridges to reach remote areas. So now they are understanding the full scale, the impact of the cyclone as well as the torrential rain that triggered massive floods. So that's why there was a sharp increase in the number of those killed. And they are still looking for more than 350 people. They are yet to be accounted for. The immediate priority now is for rehabilitation and reconstruction. There are many areas in central part of Sri Lanka still cut off. That's why they were air dropping supplies. And also in the northern part of Sri Lanka, the government is now trying to organize aid work and relief work and try to help people to go back to their homes because they were all damaged or full of mud water and at the same time assist the damage for the communities and for businesses. So that is going to be a big challenge. Even this relief work itself is a big challenge because one of the helicopters that was carrying food for an elderly patient's home crash landed in a river and the pilot died, unfortunately. So there are dangers even when you do this relief work. So that is a big challenge now for Sri Lanka to assess the situation on the ground.
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Alex Ritson
Cyclone Detroit was just one of three cyclones that hit Asia and Southeast Asia simultaneously. Brief update if you can, on the other two.
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Anbarasan ETI Rajan / Alim Macbool
Detois moved across the Park Strait towards the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu. Then it weakened into a deep depression. That means more rains, especially in the southern part of India. And it is still moving along. And not only in Sri Lanka, you also have Indonesia updating the number of those killed and also hundreds missing. The Sumatra island was one of the worst affected. Thailand is still recovering. There have been like number of storms. It's not only one, this is a season, but what many climate experts would point out that over a period of time you'll have rain. Now the intensity has increased. Like for example, a week's worth of rain falling just in half an hour. Second Thing is, there is no place for the water to run into the sea or run into the river. So they're getting blocked and the rivers are not desilted for a long time. So these are some of the factors which are contributing to this sudden rise of water level and also displacing communities where the water is stuck everywhere.
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Alex Ritson
Anne Barasan Etirajan Dignitas, the right to die organization in Switzerland, has said that its founder, Ludwig Minelli, has himself died through assisted suicide at the age of 92. Dignitas has helped thousands of people, many from countries where assisted dying is not allowed. Mr. Minelli was criticized for offering the service to those who were not terminally ill. But as Emma Jane Kirby reports, he believed everyone has the right to a dignified death.
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Guest / Interviewee
Ludwig Minnelli saw suicide as a marvellous possibility and throughout his adult life was a crusader for what he believed was the last human right, the right of each individual to control when their life should end. As a 14 year old boy, he was deeply marked by witnessing his grandmother suffering a lingering and painful death. He became a human rights lawyer, advising euthanasia groups before setting up his own assisted suicide organisation, Dignitas, in 1998, the only group in the world which helped foreigners to kill themselves. His critics accused him of recklessness, promoting suicide tourism and making a profit from death. But Ludwig Manelli insisted he was a simple humanitarian who wanted to help those for whom life had become unbearable. To die with dignity.
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Alex Ritson
Emma Jane Kirby. Still to come.
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Guest / Interviewee
Torture is something that is incredibly destructive to the body, but also to the mind. It is not something that is that you can really understand what it is until you go through it.
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Alex Ritson
We hear from a researcher who was held captive by militants in Iraq.
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Alex Ritson
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Guest / Interviewee
I would describe water cannons infused with toxins as entirely unnecessary given that it is poorly regulated internationally.
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Alex Ritson
It does lead me to consider it.
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Guest / Interviewee
As an experimental weapon and populations should never be subjected to experiments. This is absolutely in violation of human rights law.
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Alex Ritson
The Georgian government has described the allegations about the use of chemicals as absurd and said the police acted within the law. James Kumarasamy, an Israeli Russian woman held for two and a half years by militants in Iraq, has told the BBC how she was tortured in captivity. Elizabeth Surkov believes she was held by Kataib Hezbollah and was freed in September. She told Tim Franks that the ordeal has left her physically and mentally scarred. Her testimony contains graphic details that may upset some listeners.
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Guest / Interviewee
I went to Iraq to conduct fieldwork for my PhD. I'm doing a PhD at the Politics department at Princeton University. On the day of my kidnapping, a woman had reached out to me, said that she's a friend of A friend asked me because she needs help with research at a cafe near my house in Karada in Baghdad, and I went to the coffee shop. She didn't show up. I waited around. Eventually, I got tired of waiting around, and so I decided to walk home. And then on the way home, basically a car pulled up and one or two men dragged me into the car. I started screaming and resisting and trying to escape, and they beat me quite ferociously and then also sexually assaulted me. After about 30 minutes, they brought me to the place on the outskirts of Baghdad where I would remain. The torture occurred at the start of my captivity.
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Alex Ritson
And can you tell me what happened to you during those four and a half months?
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Guest / Interviewee
During the first month, they starved me and interrogated me, and they are simply convinced that all foreigners are spies. And I kept saying that I'm Russian. Then after a month, they got into my phone, you know, because I'm not a spy and I don't have multiple encrypted devices. Everything was on my phone that clearly showed that I'm Israeli. And that is when they started torturing me, insisting that I'm a spy and that I must confess. I told them that this does not make sense. I, you know, have publicly opposed the policies of the Israeli government with regards to the occupation, and it would not make any sense for them to recruit someone like me. Then I went through the next three and a half months where basically every few days they would come in and torture me to elicit confessions.
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Alex Ritson
I hesitate to ask you the question, but when you say torture, can you give me some sort of idea of what. What they were putting you through?
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Guest / Interviewee
Yeah, I think there are methods that are widely known to your audience in the west. Electrocutions, beatings. There are also ones that are kind of specific more to Iraq. There's a particular method of torture that is used in Iraq. It's called the Scorpion. Basically, you get a handcuff with shoulders crossed behind your back, and it's extremely painful for the shoulders. It often leads to dislocation of shoulders. I was whipped. I was put in painful positions. This is on top of, you know, constant touching, threats of rape, and just very uncharacteristically for Iraqis, very filthy way of speaking. I have friends, Syrian friends, who survived torture in Assad's prisons. I myself worked with torture survivors in Israel, refugees from African countries, and translated their testimonies. I've read human rights reports about torture, and yet nothing really prepares you for the horror of undergoing it.
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Alex Ritson
Elizabeth Surkoff, Pope Leo is visiting Lebanon, which has recently seen violence between Israel and Hezbollah as he continues his first overseas trip as Catholic leader. On Sunday, in a speech that used the word peace 20 times, he said humanity's future was at risk and condemned violence in the name of religion. Today, he'll meet clerics and attend a youth service. Our religion editor Alim macbool is travelling with the Pope. The duration of the papal visit to Lebanon has been declared a national holiday. It's been a boost to the third of the country that's estimated to be Christian. But Pope Leo's already been welcomed by people of all other major faiths here, too, his arrival coming as it does just a week after Israeli airstrikes hit Beirut.
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Anbarasan ETI Rajan / Alim Macbool
Even Hezbollah, the Shia Muslim militia and.
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Alex Ritson
Political party, said they welcomed and had deep appreciation for his presence, talking about the broader issues in the region. On the flight here, the Pope said the only solution to the decades old conflict would involve a Palestinian state. And while he said Israel didn't agree with that, he still called Israel a friend and said he was here to be a messenger of peace. He has his work cut out, but starts by meeting religious leaders and Lebanese young people through the day. Alim maqpool after analyzing 25 billion words, Oxford University Press has picked the one it thinks best defines 2025. Noor Nanji reports on the Word of.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
The Year do you find yourself getting.
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Guest / Interviewee
Increasingly irate while scrolling through your social media feed?
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
If so, you may be falling victim to rage bait. According to the Oxford University Press, this is defined as online content deliberately designed to elicit anger or outrage by being frustrating, provocative or offensive. Such content is typically posted in order to increase traffic to websites or social media accounts. The other shortlisted words were Aura, Farming and biohack. The annual list is intended to reflect some of the moods and conversations that have shaped the last year. The shortlisted words were put to a public vote, the results of which helped to guide the final decision taken by.
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Alex Ritson
OUP's language experts, Noor Nanji. And that's all from us for now, but there'll be a new edition of the Global News podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcastbc.co.uk. you can also find us on X@BBC World Service. Use the hashtag globalnewspod. This edition was mixed by Pat Sissons and the producer was Muzaffa Shakir. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Alex Ritson. Until next time. Goodbye.
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BBC Reporter / Advertiser
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