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Listening to the happy pod from the BBC World Service.
Oliver Conway
Hello, I'm Oliver Conway and in this edition, it's legendary. It's about life, about life as a whole.
Host 1
You know, cheese is life.
Oliver Conway
I find out why the ancient sport of cheese rolling is so popular. The man who saved a stranger's life.
Host 1
Gets a special visit when an email popped in. It was just, it was like all my Christmases quite seriously had come at once. It was a beautiful moment. And it said, dear donor, thank you so much for the gift of your stem cells.
Oliver Conway
The creator of a therapy project which has spread across the globe.
Dixon Chibanda
Over 300,000 people sat on a friendship bench to talk to one of our grandmothers. And 80% of them found it meaningful and got an improvement in their mental well being.
Oliver Conway
And the nun who's taken the Internet by storm with her beatboxing. We start in South West England where I went to watch the ancient sport of cheese rolling. The annual event sees people throw themselves down an incredibly steep hill. After a 3 kilogram wheel of double Gloucester. The cheese, which can reach speeds of up to 100 km an hour, is won by whoever gets to the bottom first. The tradition dates back centuries, taking place even in wartime when a wooden replica was used because of rationing. And today it's more popular than ever. Well, it certainly looks steep. I'm at the top of Cooper's Hill where first cheese is about to be rolled down and a couple of dozen competitors are getting ready to chase after it. This has been going on for at least 200 years, possibly much longer. It's thought to have started as a pagan ritual, a way to protect grazing rights or even just a chance for young men to show off. And once again it's attracted a huge crowd. Thousands of people are lining the hill.
Luke Melling
I'm called Arianna and I'm from Barcelona, Spain.
Oliver Conway
Why have you come here today? Well, we love cheese, but yeah, I don't know, it seemed like something really British. We don't have that in Spain, so we really wanted to experience this. What country are you from? China. When you see an event like this, people running down a hill after cheese, what do you think? It's great fun to be part of it. Although personally I wouldn't encourage anyone to do it.
Host 1
We are from Ehrring, close to Munich.
Oliver Conway
Yeah, we came to see the cheese.
Host 1
Rolling because our friend Samuel, he's having.
Oliver Conway
His bachelor's party here. But why cheese rolling?
Host 1
It's legendary.
Oliver Conway
It's about life, about life as a whole, you know, because it's. You're so close to death, but at.
Host 1
The same time, not.
Oliver Conway
Cheese is life.
Host 1
Cheese is life.
Myrna Valerio
Simon Mende from Texas.
Oliver Conway
What do you think?
Myrna Valerio
Looking down Craziness. It is steeper than I thought. Steeper than I thought. I've always wanted to do it. It's risky for sure, but that's what life is about.
Oliver Conway
I'm Ben. I'm from Cleveland, Ohio.
Myrna Valerio
I'm here to roll and win some champ cheese. My name is Martin. I'm from Latvia.
Oliver Conway
Two days ago, I heard about this.
Myrna Valerio
And I just think, yeah, I need to try this. I don't know why, but I need to try.
Oliver Conway
So you're gonna do it? Yeah, I'm gonna do it now.
Jen Wakeman
One to be ready, two to be steady. Three for the cheese. Four, you go. My name is Jen Wakeman, Master of sailing. Cubazil. Cheese roll.
Oliver Conway
Why do you think people come from all over the world to watch a cheese being rolled down a hill?
Jen Wakeman
I think they come just see this mad English tradition we got going because a lot of our old traditions are a bit mad, but they reckon this is the worst one, the most dangerous one, the maddest one. So I don't really know.
Oliver Conway
It's been going at least 200 years.
Jen Wakeman
Plus, like through Covid. I still had to roll the cheese in the morning. As long as the cheese rolled every year, tradition keeps going. So the tradition's never been broken, so it just keeps going and going.
Oliver Conway
You've run it? I'm not going to run it. Describe for me what it's like.
Jen Wakeman
It's a very thrilled experience. I've done quite a few races over the years. I've done my first one at 14. It does hurt. You can get hurt, but the thrill and the excitement of doing it is out of whilst it's going on, but only lasts a few seconds.
Oliver Conway
Hey, my name is Joshua Ravenscroft. How was it? It was absolutely horrendous. It felt like being in a washing machine full of rocks. Started sliding and then all I knew was I was tumbling. And then I tried to stop tumbling. I couldn't. And I got to the near the bottom and I realised I was, like, first. So I ran and launched myself and just smashed the ground so hard, some guy peeled me off the floor and I said, did I win? Did I win? He went, sorry, mate, you just came second. No, I'll give you everything, but I'm so happy to have been here. It's epic, you know? So, yeah. What a day.
Myrna Valerio
I'm from Morocco.
Oliver Conway
Did you just run down? Yeah.
Myrna Valerio
Doesn't that look Like I've just run down.
Oliver Conway
How was it on the way down?
Myrna Valerio
Brutal because there was no rain, so the hill was very solid.
Dixon Chibanda
Each collision with the ground was very.
Myrna Valerio
Brutal, but it was fun.
Oliver Conway
So I'm here with Chris Anderson. He's won it 23 times. What is the importance of this event to this area? For us?
Myrna Valerio
Mostly we just want to keep the tradition rolling. One or two injuries, but that's to be expected. Why stop it now? Because the world's going half in safety.
Oliver Conway
Crazy.
Myrna Valerio
If you want to come up here and throw yourself down a big hill, that should be your decision.
Oliver Conway
I'm Kyla Hill, I'm part of Team CHEESE that help organize the Cheese Roll. What is it that attracts so many people? I don't know what it is, just the, the craziness, I presume they just want to come and watch people hurt themselves, I suppose, or get down there in one piece. Weird. Wonderful. Worrying. Great, I suppose. Here at the top of the hill, looking down, it's a lot steeper than you think and I was told that a lot and I still didn't believe it. Think you might do it next year? I think I might. Well, having seen how steep it is, I don't think I'll risk it. But you can see my attempt at the uphill race on the BBC World Service Instagram page in the coming days. And in the meantime, if you have a weird and wonderful tradition in your part of the world, we'd love to hear about it. Please send an email or Voice note to globalpodcastbc.co.uk now to a story about a life saving stranger. Three years ago, Luke Melling from Melbourne was close to dying from a rare form of blood cancer. He desperately needed a bone marrow transplant, but nobody in Australia was a match, so doctors widened their search. Now, as Helena Burke reports, Luke has traveled tens of thousands of kilometres to meet his donor. Hey, Luke.
Alastair Hawkin
How's it going mate? Geez, I'm gonna cry. Bloody hell.
Host 1
Come here, buddy.
Myrna Valerio
It's so good to see you.
Alastair Hawkin
I know. I'm gonna try not to cry.
Luke Melling
This is the moment Luke Melling and Alastair Hawkin met for the first time in Lincolnshire in central England. Three years earlier and more than 16,000 kilometres away, Luke was desperately ill in hospital with Hodgkin's lymphoma, a type of blood cancer.
Alastair Hawkin
Had a lump in my neck and over the years I haven't had an awful lot of trouble getting into remission through treatments like chemotherapy, radiotherapies, immunotherapies. But in 2022, I relapsed for the fifth time that the cancer had come back and I just didn't know what to do where this time it was actually like staring death in the face in that sense.
Luke Melling
At just 28 years old, Luke was told that without a bone marrow stem cell transplant, he would die.
Alastair Hawkin
So for the donor part, the first thing they do is try immediate family. So my sister, she wasn't a match. So then we got told that we were going to, was going to go onto the international register and from there it's not guaranteed to have a match.
Luke Melling
After an anxious six month wait, Luke received a perfect match from a perfect stranger.
Host 1
Well, I've been a blood donor for nearly 30 years now, but I went to donate and there was a simple harmless leaflet explaining about bone marrow and the bone marrow registry in the uk. And I just picked it up and read it and thought I'd like to be on that register. And I was plugged up to a machine for nine hours. So they were immediately frozen within hours of them being taken to keep them as fresh as they could be. And then they were flown over to Australia. I felt absolutely amazing afterwards because I guess my body was then full of amazing young stem cells that had been generated in the four days prior. And then my stem cells went on their journey and I heard nothing more.
Luke Melling
Because of low survival rates, donors like Alistair can't be contacted by recipients until two years have passed and the treatment is deemed successful. In December of last year, Alistair said he received a surprise message from Luke.
Host 1
In honesty, I didn't know whether he'd survived the treatment. I just hoped, I hoped and prayed that he had done so. When an email popped in, it was just, it was like all my Christmases quite seriously had come at once. It was a beautiful moment. And it said, dear donor, thank you so much for the gift of your stem cells. And it went into a couple of paragraphs. Luke, just explaining, I think you even explained in that email that you'd run a marathon or something, didn't you? And that was just like, you know, amazing.
Alastair Hawkin
It's just been such a long journey. First over 15 years and this is really the final step for me. And the fact that it looks like it's been a success is just, I feel like I've put the last 15 years behind me and now I'm ready to start afresh. I've got the new cells, start a new life in a sense. I just feel blessed on a day like this here with you guys at cef.
Luke Melling
The two men are now encouraging other people to register as stem cell donors.
Host 1
It's my legacy. If I achieve nothing more than just seeing that smile on your in my life, then I've achieved everything I need to achieve.
Alastair Hawkin
Oh, mate, I just can't explain enough how grateful I am not in a weird way, a part of you is inside me in that sense and that makes me feel even better for it. I can't thank you enough.
Oliver Conway
Luke Melling ending that report from Helena Burke Next to some more people helping strangers. The Friendship Benches project began in Zimbabwe back in 2006. It is a simple concept, specially trained volunteers, mostly older women, who are available to chat to anyone suffering from mental health issues. It spread to several countries, including the U.S. kenya, Vietnam and the U.K. and reached hundreds of thousands of people. The man behind the original project, psychiatrist Dixon Chibanda, has now written a book about his experience. He told Chantal Hartle how he came up with the idea.
Dixon Chibanda
The Friendship Bench is a brief psychological therapy delivered by community grandmothers who are trained in the basics of, I guess what you could call cognitive behavioral therapy. After each grandma is trained, she is allocated a wooden bench in her community and our team then facilitates referrals to those benches. Most of the people that come to Friendship Bench, when you ask them what they refer to, really get out of it is hope, you know, in life.
Chantal Hartle
There was a quote from your book which we'll touch on in just a moment, but you said the grandmothers weave together the fabric of community so that people's fears, their shame and their loneliness might be alleviated so that they can realize the burdens of life are never meant to be carried alone. What about the. The grandmothers themselves? What do they get out of it?
Dixon Chibanda
The work that we do at Friendship Bench is rooted in rigorous and some of our studies actually show the benefits of being involved in this work. The grandmothers report a better quality of life by doing this work. It gives them a sense of purpose and a sense of belonging and ultimately it's also contributing to addressing loneliness, which is something that we are seeing in a lot of people across across the world, particularly elderly people. When friendship started, it was actually in response to a tragedy, the loss of a patient of mine, suicide. And the first people that I actually opened up to about the death of Erica were the grandmothers. And that really made me realize the power of feeling vulnerable because only then does healing become possible. Secondly, the power of storytelling and how all of that can bring people together and communities together.
Chantal Hartle
And that's very much a theme of Your book, isn't it looking at those early days of the project and the first 14 grandmothers to be involved.
Dixon Chibanda
So the book really captures the characters of the first 14 grandmothers and how they influenced my direction as a psychiatrist, how I began to understand that as professionals we are partly responsible for fueling stigma and we are partly responsible for some of the challenges we see within communities. In our failure to embrace some of the community beliefs about well being, I've really learned the power of immersing yourself in local culture and wisdom and using that to address the challenges that communities and societies facing.
Chantal Hartle
This project has since expanded to other countries, and by the sounds of it, there are more coming on board all the time. That must be really quite rewarding for you that this has taken off in such a big way.
Dixon Chibanda
It is extremely rewarding recently as well. We've done this in El Salvador and one of our biggest success stories is actually from Washington, D.C. and New Orleans. And so the demand for Friendship Bench is growing. And, you know, with each replication, each iteration, we become better at what we do and we reach more and more people. You know, last year over 300,000 people sat on a friendship bench to talk to one of our grandmothers and 80% of them found it meaningful and got an improvement in their mental well being.
Oliver Conway
Dixon Chibanda from the University of Zimbabwe. And still to come on this podcast.
Effy
I am more willing to just be myself all the time. And it is so freeing, and I hope that other people can feel the freedom to be theirselves.
Oliver Conway
The ultra marathon runner busting stereotypes on what fit people look like. Giles Abbott is a British storyteller who performs and teaches all over the world. His career has been shaped by an extraordinary event nearly 30 years ago that could have shattered his life. Instead, he sees it as a gift and has written a book to encourage more people to value the art of telling stories. Giles spoke to Richard Hamilton about his personal journey from darkness to light.
Myrna Valerio
It was in February 1998, and I was visiting a girl who I'd very recently fallen in love with. And I woke up in the morning and realized that I'd lost a portion of my sight in my right eye. And within five days I'd lost most of the sight in that eye. Obviously, I went to hospitals and they said that it was quite possibly the first symptom of multiple sclerosis, which might begin to present itself at any time within the next 10 years. Actually, it was five months later I lost the sight in my left eye. That took four hours. That was kind of It I effectively lost the ability to read books, see faces, recognize people across the table in four hours.
Oliver Conway
So in a way, that was your literally darkest moment. But after that, fate stepped in and you got into storytelling. Tell us how that happened.
Myrna Valerio
I had to find something I could do for what I realized was likely to be the rest of my life. Because there's no cure. I was living in West Yorkshire and in a pub in Hebden Bridge, a village down the valley. We were told there were some storytellers performing. I thought, storytellers? You pulling my leg? Do people still do that? We went to this pub. In a room above the pub, I heard four storytellers telling ten minute folk stories. And I was smitten. And all the way through, I was thinking, how could I do this? I'd love to do this. Thinking, maybe I could get my girlfriend to read me a book about how to create a story, how to craft a story. She did better than that. When the open spot came, she got up, she told a story about her father's childhood in Jamaica. And by the time she sat down, I knew how I could tell a story. Because the reason she could tell the story that night is the day before I'd told it to her, because the day before that, her mother had told it to me. So the following month, I thought, okay, that's how you do it. You know how it goes. Just get up and open your mouth. And I did, and it flew.
Oliver Conway
So that was your first exposure to storytelling. And what happened next? How did you become a professional storyteller?
Myrna Valerio
The group from the pub in Hebden Bridge, the Shaggy Dog Storytellers, they began to encourage me. They began to give me feedback and coach me and teach me, and I would prepare and perform a new story every month. Little by little, they began to take me to performances they were doing and to trick me on stage and encourage me. And then they recommended me to be an up and coming talent at a festival called Festival at the Edge. So I did. And as a result of that performance, the Festival at the Edge booked me the following year to be a featured storyteller. So that was it. I was a professional. I began working around the country in schools and began learning my craft and applying my trade.
Oliver Conway
So was it the experience with school children that inspired you to write this book that's just come out?
Myrna Valerio
Yes, it was. In the noughties, I was hired to spend five days working with children in school in West London. These children had been excluded from class, though not yet from school, because of their Challenging behavior. I remember their teacher saying, I'll tell you something. Often these children have got a favor, not a attention span. So I told them stories for 45 minutes. That's not me, that's stories. And at the end of the five days, I wasn't telling stories. They were. This is the beginning of the work which I've been doing now for 20 years, where I use simple structured prompts to get people to guide their imagination and create new stories. These children created amazing stories. And I've since done this with school children all over the country and internationally, with grown ups, with business people. And now this has fed into this book I've written, Storymaker. Because children are spending so much time now interacting not with other human beings. And AI has hoovered up all world literature and can already do what this book has done, which is to analyze the structures of stories in ways that you can use to guide your imagination. But this book is about teaching people to do it. Parents, grandparents, teachers, carers. So these children get some face to face contact with another human being because we need them to have that.
Oliver Conway
Giles Abbott talking to Richard Hamilton next to an adventurer who loves proving people wrong and inspiring others to be true to themselves. Myrna Valerio is an ultra marathon runner, a cross country and in her own word, fat. The African American former teacher took up the sport after a health scare. In 2008, she started a blog, Fat Girl Running, exposing herself to online trolls, but also helping to tackle fitness stereotypes. She's been speaking to Katie Smith.
Effy
I have a bigger frame. I do have more fat on my body than a lot of other people. And I really want us to see the word fat as a descriptor and not, you know, with all of the negative connotation it carries with it. That will not happen in my lifetime, I don't think, but, but that is the work that I'm doing. So that's how I see my body, that's how others perceive me anyway. I don't see it negatively. But when I, you know, when I go out and, and, and do things, people are always surprised. And what that means to me is that they haven't had a wide range of experience in their lives. And I just do the things that I need to do. And the secondary benefit of that is that people see me doing those things. And so it's frustrating when people, when people do them, they're very condescending or like overly patronizing when they see a fat person achieving something and then they also, they assume that you're doing it to Lose weight.
Luke Melling
Well, that was. That was what I was going to say, because often there's this misconception, maybe is the right word, that eventually you. If you start as a fat person, as you say, you begin training, you do some running. The idea is you are going to become a skinny person. And that doesn't, that doesn't necessarily happen. And that's not necessarily the goal.
Effy
No. In 2008, when I had this health scare where I thought I was having a heart attack, and that sort of. It really changed, changed the trajectory of my life. When that happened and I started running, I did lose weight. I lost weight, but then I plateaued. But I still kept doing the running, the swimming, the playing tennis and walking and hiking and doing all those. All of those things. But my body continued to get stronger and stronger and more fit, meaning that I was able to do the things that I asked of my body. My answer is to just show them what I can do and hopefully inspire them to think differently about what it means to be fit and what to say and what not to say to a person in a fat body.
Luke Melling
Effy, I just wanted to touch on. On social media, you've talked about it. You've built such a community and it's so supportive in so many ways. But there are still those negative voices, right, that you have to deal with.
Effy
Folks really try to exert power over other people, power and influence over other people when it comes to the way that their bodies look. And it's. It's really hard to swim against that tide. There always is going to be a negative voice or a chorus of a Greek chorus of negative voices. In real life or online, unfortunately, that's just a reality. But as I've. As I've gotten older, I'm nearing 50 years, I am more willing to just be myself all the time. And it is so freeing. And I hope that other people can feel the freedom to be theirselves as much as possible because it is emotionally and physically taxing when you cannot. And so I just this past weekend, I was in a restaurant with a friend, and there a fan sat next to me and I'm really awkward, like, sort of caught off guard. And I'm like. And I told the. I told the woman, I said, I'm just going to let you know that I'm going to be really awkward to me and surprising that people recognize me. And they, and they thank me for my work and they say, I follow you, and I think what you do is great. It's so cool to meet you. I'm fangirling. I'm like, why would you be fangirling? I'm just a normal person, but I live in those awkward moments.
Oliver Conway
Minervalerio and you can hear more inspiring sports stories on not by the Playbook, wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Finally, two nuns from Brazil have taken the Internet by storm with their impromptu musical performance on live tv. Thanks to some impressive beatboxing, Harry Bly has been listening.
Harry Bly
Sisters Mariselli Casiano and Marisa de Paula appeared on the Brazilian television channel Pai Eternal Father. They're singing Voce Sao or vocation, their own song promoting a vocational retreat for people wanting to pursue a religious career. Sister Mariselli is singing into the microphone while Sister Marisa is dancing with very intricate footwork. Sat next to the sisters, a priest, he stands up and starts to sing and then Sister Mariselli drops the beat. Once the clip was shared online, it went viral with commenters praising the nuns, describing them as hype women. One user said, as a Brazilian, I can come confirm that all our nuns know how to beatbox. Another added, someone needs to sample this. And that's exactly what happened. The group Timbu Fun made this remix and even added a rap verse. The sisters say music has been a powerful tool for them to help those in need.
Oliver Conway
Harry Bly reporting. And you can see the video on the BBC News website BBC.com news and that's all from the Happy Pod for now, but if you have a tradition like cheese rolling in your area, we'd love to to hear from you. Send an email or voice note to globalpodcastbc.co.uk you can also see some of our interviews on YouTube by searching for the Happy Pod. This edition was mixed by Craig Kingham and produced by Holly Gibbs and Rachel Bulkley. Our editor's Karen Martin. I'm Oliver Conway. Until next time. Goodbye.
Summary of "The Happy Pod: The Joy of Chasing a Giant Cheese"
Episode Release Date: May 31, 2025
Podcast: Global News Podcast, The Happy Pod
Host: Oliver Conway, BBC World Service
In this vibrant episode of The Happy Pod, Oliver Conway delves into a medley of uplifting stories that celebrate human resilience, community spirit, and the joy found in unique traditions. From the adrenaline-fueled antics of cheese rolling to heartfelt tales of life-saving connections and inspiring personal transformations, the episode offers listeners a rich tapestry of positivity and hope.
Oliver Conway opens the episode with an exploration of the centuries-old tradition of cheese rolling in South West England. This exhilarating event involves competitors racing down a steep hill in pursuit of a 3-kilogram wheel of double Gloucester cheese, which can reach speeds of up to 100 km/h.
Oliver Conway [00:59]: "The annual event sees people throw themselves down an incredibly steep hill... It's a tradition that dates back centuries, taking place even in wartime when a wooden replica was used because of rationing."
The host captures the essence of the event's enduring popularity, highlighting its origins possibly linked to pagan rituals or as a display of youthful bravado. Thousands flock to Cooper's Hill to witness the spectacle, embracing both the thrill and the communal spirit it fosters.
Participants from diverse backgrounds share their motivations for engaging in cheese rolling. Arianna from Barcelona appreciates experiencing a distinctly British tradition, despite acknowledging the inherent risks.
Arianna [02:19]: "It seemed like something really British. We don't have that in Spain, so we really wanted to experience this."
Meanwhile, other competitors like Simon from Texas and Martin from Latvia express their enthusiasm and competitive spirit, emphasizing the blend of fun and challenge the event presents.
Contestants describe their personal experiences during the race, balancing the excitement with the physical demands.
Jen Wakeman [04:14]: "It's a very thrilled experience... I can get hurt, but the thrill and the excitement... out of whilst it's going on, but only lasts a few seconds."
Conversely, Joshua Ravenscroft shares a humorous and humbling account of nearly claiming victory only to be informed he came in second, underscoring the unpredictable nature of the competition.
Joshua Ravenscroft [04:51]: "So, yeah. What a day."
Transitioning from exhilarating races to profound human connections, Oliver introduces the poignant story of Luke Melling and Alastair Hawkin. Three years prior, Luke faced a life-threatening battle with Hodgkin's lymphoma, requiring a bone marrow transplant. After an agonizing six-month wait, Luke found a perfect donor in Alastair, a complete stranger.
Alastair Hawkin [07:02]: "This is really the final step for me. And the fact that it looks like it's been a success is just, I feel like I've put the last 15 years behind me and now I'm ready to start afresh."
Their emotional reunion marks not just a personal victory but also serves as a testament to the power of altruism and the life-changing impact of being a stem cell donor. Both men now advocate for increased donor registration, inspired by their transformative encounter.
Oliver shifts focus to the impactful Friendship Benches project, spearheaded by psychiatrist Dixon Chibanda. Originating in Zimbabwe in 2006, the initiative employs grandmothers as trained volunteers to provide psychological support to individuals grappling with mental health issues.
Dixon Chibanda [10:51]: "The Friendship Bench is a brief psychological therapy delivered by community grandmothers... Most people get out of it hope in life."
The project has expanded globally, reaching over 300,000 individuals and significantly improving mental well-being for 80% of participants. Chibanda emphasizes the reciprocal benefits for the grandmothers, who gain a sense of purpose and community involvement.
Dixon Chibanda [11:47]: "The grandmothers report a better quality of life by doing this work. It gives them a sense of purpose and a sense of belonging."
The episode also highlights the transformative journey of storyteller Giles Abbott and ultra-marathon runner Myrna Valerio. Giles Abbott shares his path from near-tragedy to becoming an international storyteller, authoring a book to inspire others through the art of narrative.
Myrna Valerio recounts her battle with multiple sclerosis, which led her to embrace ultra-marathon running as a means of overcoming personal and societal stereotypes about fitness and body image.
Effy [19:53]: "I really want us to see the word fat as a descriptor and not, you know, with all of the negative connotation it carries with it."
Her story underscores the importance of self-acceptance and resilience, challenging societal norms and inspiring others to pursue their passions regardless of physical appearance.
Concluding the episode on a lighter note, Oliver introduces the delightful story of two Brazilian nuns who captivated the internet with their beatboxing skills. During a live television performance, Sisters Mariselli Casiano and Marisa de Paula seamlessly integrated beatboxing into their song, "Voce Sao," promoting a vocational retreat.
Harry Bly [23:48]: "Once the clip was shared online, it went viral with commenters praising the nuns, describing them as hype women."
Their unexpected musical prowess not only entertained viewers worldwide but also highlighted the nuns' innovative approach to engaging their community through music.
Oliver Conway wraps up the episode by inviting listeners to share their own unique traditions and stories, fostering a sense of global community and shared happiness. The diverse narratives presented in this episode of The Happy Pod celebrate the myriad ways individuals find joy, support, and resilience, offering inspiration and a reminder of the good that exists in the world.
For more inspiring stories and to listen to this episode again, visit the BBC Global News Podcast page or subscribe to The Happy Pod on your preferred podcast platform.