Ukraine and US negotiators to meet following Moscow talks

Summary

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Global News Podcast – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Ukraine and US Negotiators to Meet Following Moscow Talks
Host: Celia Hatton (BBC World Service)
Date: December 4, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode focuses on the latest diplomatic efforts to resolve the ongoing war in Ukraine, including the high-stakes negotiations involving the U.S., Ukraine, Russia, and key global players like China and India. The episode features expert analysis from political and military figures, coverage of President Putin’s visit to India, the geopolitical balancing act for India, legal fallout from U.S. military actions in Latin America, developments in Uganda’s elections, and justice in the aftermath of Matthew Perry’s death. It closes with a feel-good science story about a rare octopus washing up on a Scottish beach.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ukraine War Diplomacy: US, Russia, & Ukraine Negotiations

Summary

• The Trump administration is pushing a new U.S.-backed peace plan for Ukraine.
• Attention is on upcoming talks in Florida between U.S. envoy Steve Witkoff and Ukraine’s top negotiator Rustam Umarov, following inconclusive discussions in Moscow involving Putin, Witkoff, and Jared Kushner.

Expert Analysis: General David Petraeus on Putin & the Stalemate

• Petraeus suggests Russia remains intransigent, seeking regime change in Kyiv and more territory, positions unacceptable to Ukraine.
• The Russian economy is under more strain than recognized, and sustained pressure from the West could eventually force Putin to negotiate.

“It was predictable and predicted, in fact widely, that Putin would not accept anything less than his stated core objectives…”
— Gen. David Petraeus (03:15)

“There really is a way forward... to help Ukraine defend against these Russian missile and drone attacks, and then also to put much more pressure on the Russian economy with further sanctions.”
— Gen. David Petraeus (04:21)

Memorable Trump Comment

“It’s a war that should have never been started. If I were president, we had a rigged election. If I were president, that war would have never happened. It’s a terrible thing...”
— Donald Trump (02:42)

Timestamps:

• Main story intro: 01:13–02:42
• Trump comments: 02:42
• Petraeus analysis: 03:02–06:06

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2. China’s “Neutrality” & Its Role in the Conflict

Summary

• French President Emmanuel Macron presses China to use its economic leverage over Russia.
• Beijing maintains formal neutrality but continues to support Russia through resource purchases and technology sales.
• China’s public statements show no indication of shifting its stance; observers are skeptical that meaningful pressure on Russia is forthcoming.

“Beijing maintains it's impartial in all of this… Even though the Chinese government is accused of propping up the Russian economy and also supplying spare parts for Russian war machines.”
— Stephen McDonnell (06:52)

Timestamps:

• China and Macron: 06:06–08:28

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3. Putin’s Visit to India: Geopolitics & Public Sentiment

Summary

• Vladimir Putin visits New Delhi, highlighting ongoing strong ties between Russia and India despite the Ukraine conflict and Western pressure.
• Indian public and analysts are divided: Some see Russia as a steadfast ally and welcome discounted oil; others express concern about India’s global image and urge stronger action for peace.
• The visit involves key energy and defense discussions. India is navigating a diplomatic “tightrope” between the US and Russia.

“Putin’s visit signifies that India was a non-aligned or multi-aligned nation and wants to stress… that with Russia they were almost constant.”
— Ajay Srivastava, GTRI think tank (12:04)

• India has reduced oil imports from sanctioned Russian companies after US-imposed tariffs, but on-the-ground analysts say overall policy little changed.

“If India doesn’t buy oil, it makes it much easier and they’re not going to buy, they assured me... they will not be buying oil from Russia.”
— Donald Trump (11:48)

Timestamps:

• India segment: 08:28–12:23

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4. Central America: Trump Pardons Ex-Honduran President

Summary

• Juan Orlando Hernandez, ex-president of Honduras, is released from a US prison after a Trump pardon, despite a conviction for massive drug smuggling.
• Hernandez continues to claim innocence and calls his conviction a “Biden administration setup.”
• Ongoing presidential election in Honduras, slow vote count.

“You changed my life, sir, and I will never forget it.”
— Juan Orlando Hernandez, via social media (13:18)

Timestamps:

• Hernandez story: 12:23–14:31

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5. US Airstrikes & Legal Fallout: Colombia

Summary

• Over 20 US airstrikes have targeted alleged drug smuggling boats, killing 80+ people.
• The family of a Colombian fisherman killed in one strike files the first legal complaint against the Trump administration.
• Colombian President Petro and the government use the case to highlight US overreach and injustice but legal remedies are limited as the Inter-American Commission cannot enforce rulings.

"It has more political weight than actual legal force. This is not something that would be binding..."
— Luis Farrado, Latin America expert (20:20)

Timestamps:

• Colombia airstrikes story: 17:09–21:02

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6. Uganda Elections: Repression and Opposition

Summary

• President Yoweri Museveni, in power since 1986, is accused by the UN of suppressing opposition through arrests, disappearances, and intimidation.
• Main challenger Bobby Wine faces violent repression but continues his campaign.
• Museveni courts youth voters with a staged podcast appearance, blending old-guard toughness with awkward attempts at relatability.

“What you call Gen Z. I am a former Gen Z myself.”
— Pres. Museveni, on youth podcast (22:46)

“Are you going to be softies?”
— Pres. Museveni, addressing young voters (23:07)

Timestamps:

• Uganda election segment: 21:02–23:59

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7. Justice in the Death of Matthew Perry

Summary

• California doctor Salvador Placencia is sentenced to 30 months in prison for illegally supplying ketamine to actor Matthew Perry.
• Emotional courtroom scenes as Perry’s mother confronts the doctor about profiting from addiction and failing his oath.
• Placencia shows remorse, admitting responsibility.

“She [Matthew Perry’s mother] pointed out that as a doctor, someone sworn to help... Placencia had betrayed the medical oath and had exploited her son's struggle and contributed to his death.”
— Peter Bowes (25:39)

Timestamps:

• Perry/Placencia story: 23:59–26:29

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8. Science Spotlight: Rare Deep-Sea Octopus Washes Up in Scotland

Summary

• A rare “seven-armed” octopus species (actually eight arms, with one modified for mating) found on a remote Scottish beach.
• The discovery is unusual as these creatures typically live at depths over 500 meters, far from the coast.
• Marine biologist Lauren Smith describes the unusual find and ongoing investigation into how it washed ashore.

“The kind of habitat where you’d normally find it is several days distance away, even by boat, from our coastline. So how it really got here... it’s a bit of a mystery.”
— Lauren Smith (29:34)

Timestamps:

• Octopus story: 26:29–30:10

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Trump on Ukraine:
  “If I were president, that war would have never happened.” (02:42)
• Petraeus on Putin’s Non-Compromise:
  “None of those can be acceptable to Ukraine. But Putin is clearly not going to accept anything less.” (03:15)
• Chinese Leverage Skepticism:
  “It hasn't emerged in terms of what's being said publicly. We're just getting pretty much the same lines from the Chinese government.” (07:44)
• Indian Student Refugee (Deepak Kumar):
  “I just wish that Mr. Putin stops this war in Ukraine and sends a message for peace from India.” (10:39)
• Matthew Perry’s Mother:
  “She told Placencia that he should have protected her son instead of profiting from his addiction.” (25:39)

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Episode Structure — Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:13] Main headlines and intro to Ukraine peace talks
• [02:01] US, Russia, Ukraine peace plan and reactions
• [03:02] Gen. Petraeus analysis
• [06:06] China’s position and Macron’s efforts
• [08:28] Putin in India, Indian public opinion
• [12:23] Trump’s pardon for Juan Orlando Hernandez
• [17:09] US airstrikes in Colombia, legal challenge
• [21:02] Uganda elections and repression
• [23:59] Matthew Perry’s death and sentencing of doctor
• [26:29] Rare octopus discovery in Scotland

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Tone & Language

The tone throughout is measured, factual, and gently analytical, typical of the BBC World Service. Personal stories and emotional moments—such as the courtroom scenes in the Matthew Perry segment and Indian student refugees—provide a human touch, while expert analysis lends authority.

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This summary captures the full arc of the news segment, offering useful context, sharp quotes, and clear guidance on where to listen for more in-depth coverage of the issues discussed.

Transcript

[Ray Winstone]

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[Celia Hatton]

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This is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service.

I'm Celia Hatton and in the early hours of Thursday 4th December. These are our main stories. The back and forth negotiations on the US backed peace plan for Ukraine will continue on Thursday with talks between Washington and Kyiv. The doctor who sold the drug ketamine to the Friends star Matthew Perry, weeks before his fatal overdose has been sentenced to 30 months in prison.

Also in this podcast, India prepares to welcome President Putin. On the agenda now is everything from new defense deals to a rethink of energy ties with Moscow, all while India tries to walk that diplomatic tightrope with the us. We look at the geopolitics behind the visit.

The last few weeks have seen a flurry of diplomatic activity as the Trump administration tries to secure backing for its latest plan to end the war between Russia and Ukraine. On Thursday, all eyes will be on Florida, where the US special envoy Steve Witkoff will meet Ukraine's top negotiator, Rustam Umarov. They'll discuss the outcome of Tuesday's meeting in Moscow between President Putin, Mr. Witkoff and President Trump's son in law, Jared Kushner. Those talks failed to produce any breakthrough, although the Kremlin described them as productive. Speaking at the Oval Office here was Donald Trump's assessment of those Moscow talks.

[Evan Davis]

I don't know what the Kremlin is doing. I can tell you that they had a reasonably good meeting with President Putin. We're going to find out. It's a war that should have never been started. It's a war. If I were president, we had a rigged election. If I were president, that war would have never happened. It's a terrible thing. But I thought they had a very.

[Celia Hatton]

Good meeting with President Putin.

[Evan Davis]

We'll see what happens.

[Celia Hatton]

David Petraeus is a retired US army general and former director of the CIA. He told the BBC's Evan Davis it's not surprising President Putin has so far not agreed to a deal.

[Evan Davis]

It was predictable and predicted, in fact widely, that Putin would not accept anything less than his stated core objectives, which are to replace President Zelenskyy through an election, presumably with a pro Russian fig figure to be given land in Donetsk Province that they haven't even approached, much less taken. And this includes the so called fortified cities which if given to Russia, basically open the field for further aggression down the road. None of those can be acceptable to Ukraine. But Putin is clearly not going to accept anything less. He seems to be still under the impression that victory is inevitable, even though it's very clear that the incremental gains at extraordinary cost at some point just are not going to be sustained, sustainable for Russia, especially given the more fragile state of its economy than I think many recognize.

[Ray Winstone]

The best outcome from Ukraine's point of view at this point, given that they don't want to yield to Russia's demands, would be for European nations and the United States to make it much more costly for Russia to pursue this war. Is there any hope of that happening?

[Evan Davis]

Well, I think that there is an increased urgency in European capitals and in Brussels. In fact, I've visited many of them over the last several months, including also this visit to Kyiv. And I came out of those having a sense that there really is a way forward if an agreement could not be reached that could enable Ukraine substantially on the battlefield, on the front lines, and then also to help them defend against these Russian missile and drone attacks, and then also to put much more pressure on the Russian economy with further sanctions, and that if more is done at a time when Russia is projected to run out of money in its national welfare fund next year that's been funding their military industrial complex. If you do that and also go after those who are enabling Russia's war machine, buying its gas and oil and providing the components for its military industrial complex, I actually think there is a prospect that Putin himself might have to recognize that he needs a cessation of hostilities. There are already signs that recruiting is not as easy as it has been. If not, he wouldn't be quadrupling or quintupling the amount of advertising he's doing overseas for recruits and so forth as well.

[Ray Winstone]

You mention European nations, you've been talking to them, and you detect this urgency. Do you detect that in the United States?

[Evan Davis]

Well, first we should recognize that the US has done that. Far more prominent in the past week or two, of course, have been these negotiations. There are sanctions in Congress waiting to be sent to the White House. When President Trump signals that the Trump administration has tried hard to try to bring Russia to some agreement, that would be reasonable. And it just does not appear that Putin wants to accept any compromise on his core objectives.

[Celia Hatton]

Evan Davis speaking with General David Petraeus. The war in Ukraine is also on the agenda in the Chinese capital, Beijing, where the French president, Emmanuel Macron has met his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping. Officially, Beijing maintains a neutral stance on the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, but has been accused of supporting Moscow by buying large quantities of raw materials and selling dual use technology to the Russians. Ukraine's allies want China to use its economic influence to pressure Russia to end the fighting. With more, here's our correspondent in Beijing, Stephen McDonnell.

[Evan Davis]

Emmanuel Macron is up against it in.

[Ray Winstone]

Terms of getting China to act in a decisive way.

[Evan Davis]

And there are several reasons.

[Ray Winstone]

One, Beijing maintains it's impartial in all of this. And so they would say, well, why.

[Evan Davis]

Would we get involved? Even though the Chinese government is accused of propping up the Russian economy and also supplying spare parts for Russian war machines.

[Ray Winstone]

Now, a more bleak possibility is that.

[Evan Davis]

Some in the government here actually don't mind the war in Ukraine, partly because Russia's taking it up to the west and also partly because it's locking in Russian dependence on Chinese goods. China's buying all these raw materials in vast amounts from Russia because of the sanctions on the Kremlin and at the same time selling all this stuff into Russia. Now, I suppose if you are going to be very cynical about that and you're a Chinese company, you might hope that that continues into the future. If there was to be a change.

[Ray Winstone]

Of heart from the Chinese government and.

[Evan Davis]

They really were going to use their leverage to pressure Vladimir Putin into stepping back, it hasn't emerged in terms of what's being said publicly. We're just getting pretty much the same lines from the Chinese government in terms.

[Ray Winstone]

Of its view towards the war, but I suppose you have to try.

[Evan Davis]

That would be the view of the French president. And he might hope that even the smallest amount of nudging from Beijing, from a place that really does have influence in Moscow, could potentially help bring about an end to the invasion there. But, but as I say, I think most observers here, serious observers, think China's not likely to really act decisively on this.

[Celia Hatton]

Stephen McDonnell. Well, it's not just Emmanuel Macron on the move. Vladimir Putin begins a two day visit to India today. It comes as Moscow's been looking eastward for economic partners. New Delhi is trying to balance its longstanding ties with Russia amid growing pressure. United States. Our correspondent Davina Gupta has been speaking to people in India to find out how they're viewing this visit.

I'm in central Delhi and if you spend a few minutes here through the traffic and the winter smog, you'll spot rows of Indian flags, orange, white, green and blue, flying alongside Russia's colors of red, blue and white. These flags are dotting the street street to welcome Russia's President Vladimir Putin, who is visiting New Delhi for the first time since the invasion of Ukraine. So how are people here feeling about this visit? Let's find out.

[Luis Farrado]

I support Putin's visit to India because.

[Ray Winstone]

I believe that they've been a friend.

[Evan Davis]

Of ours for a very long time.

[Ray Winstone]

And they've been there even when nobody.

[Luis Farrado]

Else was around, when we had enemies.

[Evan Davis]

On all sides, they supported us through.

[Luis Farrado]

All sorts of conflicts and even most.

[Ray Winstone]

Of the recently they've helped us with cheap oil.

[Celia Hatton]

So Putin's coming at a time when there's already a war going on in Ukraine. I feel that India should take a stronger stand with Russia and carve out a way to stop the war.

[Ray Winstone]

India wants to be a global leader and this visit by the Russian president shows our growing importance on the world. It will lead to better trade with Russia and benefits.

[Celia Hatton]

But for Indians who live through Russia's invasion of Ukraine, this visit is harder to watch.

That's 27 year old Deepak Kumar, who is following developments from Kazakhstan, where he now lives. Deepak was among thousands of Indian students studying in Ukraine when the conflict started. He fled his campus on a bus with fellow students, but was left behind halfway, forced to walk for two days before reaching the border to safety.

[Ray Winstone]

It was such a traumatic experience. I've lost money and time to complete my studies and be a doctor. I just wish that Mr. Putin stops this war in Ukraine and sends a message for peace from India.

[Celia Hatton]

India has called for a peaceful resolution to the war but it has also continued to buy large amounts of discounted Russian crude, which have drawn close crud scrutiny from Washington. Ajay Sri Vastava is with the New Delhi based think tank gtri.

[Ray Winstone]

We were not buying much of the oil from Russia till the start of the Ukraine war in 2021. But after that we started buying oil at a cheaper price and we saved plenty of dollars in India. So Russia has been consistent energy supplier. We buy about 40% of oil from Russia.

[Celia Hatton]

US President Donald Trump argues that India's oil imports help fund Moscow's war, a Delhi firmly denies. But he has now imposed steep tariffs on a wide range of Indian exports to America and also sanctioned two of Russia's largest oil refineries. India has said it will no longer import crude from those companies.

[Evan Davis]

If India doesn't buy oil, it makes it much easier and they're not going to buy, they assured me they will within a short period of time they will not be buying oil from Russia.

[Celia Hatton]

But analyst Ajesh Srivastava says the timing of Putin's visit indicates not much has changed.

[Ray Winstone]

Putin's visit signifies that India was a non aligned or multi aligned nation and wants to stress and give a loud message to the world that while the relationship with other big nations like US or European Union, they have been changing based on trade or strategic needs of both the sides, with Russia they were.

[Celia Hatton]

Almost constant and so on the agenda now is everything from new defense deals to a rethink of energy ties with Moscow, all while India tries to walk that diplomatic tightrope with the US Davina Gupta in India, the former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez has made his first statement since being released from a high security prison in the U.S. he thanked President Trump for changing his life by issuing him a pardon. Mr. Hernandez was serving a 45 year sentence in an American prison. He'd been found guilty for operating at the center of a ring which smuggled more than 400 tons of cocaine into the United States. However, Mr. Trump pardoned him last week, saying he'd been the victim of what he called a Biden administration setup from Honduras. Here's our Central America correspondent Will Grant.

[Ray Winstone]

From an undisclosed location in the United States. Juan Orlando Hernandez returned to his social media accounts to make his first statement since his controversial pardon and release from prison. Giving thanks first to God and then to President Trump. The ex Honduran president reiterated his argument that he was wrongfully convicted and was, he claimed he innocent. To President Trump, who gave him a pardon on his 45 year jail sentence for drug smuggling and weapons charges, Mr. Hernandez wrote. You changed my life, sir, and I will never forget it. He continued to repeat his claims that he was the victim of a rigged trial based on the accusations of criminals who sought revenge. There was no indication on whether he will return to Honduras, although officials say he would theoretically still face charges in his home nation if he were to come back now. Mr. Hernandez simply said he would have more to share soon. Meanwhile, the vote count in the Honduran election continues to creep forward. The former vice president, Salvador Nasralla has a fractional lead over the Conservative candidate Nasrias Fura. However, there are still thousands of ballots left to tally and the process has been painfully slow.

[Celia Hatton]

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What do you think makes the perfect snack?

[Evan Davis]

Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.

[Celia Hatton]

Could you be more specific when it's cravenient?

[Ray Winstone]

Okay, like a freshly baked cookie made.

[Evan Davis]

With real butter, available right down the street at AM pm. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can.

[Ray Winstone]

Grab in just a second at AM pm.

[Celia Hatton]

I'm seeing a pattern here.

[Evan Davis]

Well, yeah, we're talking about what I.

[Celia Hatton]

Crave, which is anything from AM pm.

[Evan Davis]

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Starting in early September, the United States has carried out more than 20 airstrikes against alleged drug trafficking boats in the Caribbean and the Pacific, killing more than 80 people. Now a family of a Colombian man who died in one of those military strikes has filed the first legal complaint against the Trump administration over the attacks. The petition alleges that the Colombian fisherman Alejandro Carranza was illegally killed in September. It's been lodged with the Inter American Commission on Human Rights, part of the regional forum, the Organization of American States. The US Says the strikes will continue, justifying the attacks as necessary to stop what it describes as narco terrorists smuggling drugs to the U.S. our Latin America expert, Luis Farrado, joined us from Miami.

[Luis Farrado]

The family of Alejandro Carranza has accused the US government of having killed Mr. Carranza and they specifically say that the Secretary of Defense had given the order. This has of course created a lot of media interest in Colombia and across Latin America at a moment where a lot of people are paying attention to what is happening in the Caribbean with the US Military buildup.

[Celia Hatton]

What can you tell us about the fisherman who was killed, Alejandro Carranza and his family?

[Luis Farrado]

There's been a lot of controversy in Colombian media about Mr. Carranza. He was a 42 year old fisherman living near Santa Marta, which is a port city in the Colombian Caribbean, relatively near to the border with Venezuela, and the family says that he had nothing to do with drug trafficking and also the Colombian government, Colombian President Gustavo Petro, who has had a very antagonistic relation in recent months with the US government and particularly with Donald Trump. Mr. Petro, the President of Colombia, has said that or initially said that Carranza was an innocent fisherman who had been killed. However, reports, unconfirmed reports in Colombian media have suggested that there had been a criminal investigation into Mr. Carranza. A few years ago, he was alleged to have been suspected of being involved in a weapons trafficking deal. And later on, President Petro, a few weeks after his initial statement, he had said that now he thought, or the government thought, that Mr. Carranza had been forced to engage into some part of drug trafficking because of being a poor fisherman and needing to help his family. So there's a lot of controversy. What is true is that the Colombian government has been making a very big deal out of this. They have been using even state media to highlight what they say was an injustice committed. And the lawyer, the US lawyer who is actually presenting the case to the Inter American Commission of Human Rights is the same lawyer who is helping President Petro, Colombian President Petro defend himself of allegations of ties to illegal groups which led to economic sanctions being imposed on him by the US Treasury.

[Celia Hatton]

How much legal weight does this case does this petition carry?

[Luis Farrado]

It has more political weight than actual legal force. This is not something that would be binding if eventually this commission's findings were against the US Government. Colombian media have commented that it would be part of a political strategy to highlight the case of Mr. Carranza and that eventually, and this is hypothetical, the family could also try to bring his case to US courts. But the actual Inter American Commission of Human Rights, which is a multilateral organization, it does not have power to impose. So whatever decision they make, it would not have very strong legal, rather political effects.

[Celia Hatton]

Luis Farhado in Miami. 81 year old Yoweri Museveni is one of Africa's longest serving leaders. He's ruled Uganda since 1986 and he's hoping to extend his rule in elections next month. Now the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Volker Turk, has accused his government of repression Ahead of the vote. Volcker Turk said the crackdown on the opposition and the media in Uganda included arrests, disappearances and torture. President Museveni's main rival is the singer turned politician, Bobby Wine, who's had a massive following among young Ugandans. As Richard Hamilton explains.

[Ray Winstone]

Hundreds of Bobby Wine's supporters line the route as his motorcade travels to a campaign rally in the north of the country.

But it's noticeable that Bobby Wine is wearing a bulletproof flak jacket and helmet. On Tuesday, he told supporters he felt he was in a war zone. He accused the governing National Resistance Movement of spending thousands of dollars disrupting his campaign with roadblocks, detentions, tear gas and even live ammunition. At least one person has died and many have been injured in clashes with the armed forces, intimidating opponents is not a new tactic in Uganda. For years, the veteran opposition leader Kisa Besige was subjected to multiple arbitrary arrests. And now the 43 year old Bobby Wine is fighting a similar battle. As for the octogenarian president, he's taken to modern technology to try to appeal to the youth.

[Evan Davis]

What you call Gen Z. I am a former Gen Z myself.

[Ray Winstone]

Earlier this week, young Ugandans hosted the president for a pre election podcast called Unstoppable Uganda. But the event looked highly staged and slightly awkward.

[Luis Farrado]

Am I allowed to ask a question also?

[Celia Hatton]

Yes.

[Evan Davis]

Do I take it that Gen Z want to be softies?

[Luis Farrado]

Because for us, we're not softies, we are tough. That was our generation was emphasizing toughness. But your generation, are you going to be softies?

[Ray Winstone]

Despite this gentle, avuncular image, Yoweri Museveni is still showing that toughness and stamina that he acquired in the 1980s when his fighters seized power following a grueling Bush war. After the terrible years of bloodshed and oppression under IDI Amin and Milton Obote, Yoweri Museveni brought stability and prosperity to uganda. But nearly 40 years on, the increasingly autocratic president is showing no signs of giving up or letting his rivals win.

[Celia Hatton]

Richard Hamilton, a California doctor who admitted supplying the Hollywood actor Matthew Perry with drugs in the week before he died, has been sentenced to 30 months in a federal prison. Dr. Salvador Placencia is the first person to be sentenced in connection with the 54 year old's death in 2023. Our North America correspondent Peter Bose told us about the sentencing.

[Ray Winstone]

Dr. Placencia pleaded guilty to four counts of supplying ketamine to Matthew Perry. Technically, he could have faced 10 years for each count, but he reached a plea deal and expressed remorse for what he did. The judge opted for a sent of 30 months. Two and a half years after listening to relatives of Perry and the former doctor himself, he'd illegally supplied Perry with ketamine, despite knowing that the actor was especially vulnerable due to a long history of addiction. Now, the medical examiner had ruled that ketamine, which is typically used as a surgical anesthetic, that it was the primary cause of death. Although the doctor wasn't treating Perry at the time of his death, prosecutors say he repeatedly pushed the actor in the weeks before to pay thousands of dollars for additional supplies. In a text message to another physician who has also pleaded guilty for his involvement, he wrote, I wonder how much this moron will pay.

[Celia Hatton]

Peter There were emotional scenes in court, weren't there? Matthew Perry's mother address the court and Salvador Plasencia directly, yes.

[Ray Winstone]

Very emotional scenes. His mother, Suzanne Morrison, as you say, addressed the court. She told Placencia that he should have protected her son instead of profiting from his addiction. She responded to that text message saying that there was nothing moronic about her son. And she pointed out that as a doctor, someone sworn to help to heal people, that Placencia had betrayed the medical oath and had exploited her son's struggle and contributed to his death. Now, he agreed. He said he was sorry. He said he should have protected Matthew Perry. He told the family he'd failed him, that he'd failed the family, that he'd failed the community, he said. And he admitted there was no excuse for what he did and that his decisions had violated his responsibility as a physician.

[Celia Hatton]

Peter Bowes in Los Angeles. For more on one of today's big stories, you can go on YouTube, search for BBC News, click on the logo, then choose Podcasts and Global News Podcast. There's a new story available every weekday. To the north of Scotland now, where the remains of a very rare deep sea creature have washed up on a remote beach. And no, it's not the Loch Ness Monster. It's been discovered that sections of huge purple tentacles covered in rows of suckers belong to one of the largest species of octopus, which normally live hundreds of meters below the surface of the sea. Marine biologist Lauren Smith helped solve this mystery. She spoke to my colleague James Kumarasamy.

[Lauren Smith]

So I first heard on Sunday evening, they were photographs of the arms of what turned out to be this octopus washed up on my local beach.

[Ray Winstone]

How many arms?

[Lauren Smith]

It was a little hard to say, actually, because the arms were sort of, although they were large, they were clearly broken off in places. So it could have been one massive arm that was broken up or it could have been at least two or three arms that were just in different sections.

[Ray Winstone]

Then there was a process of trying to identify what this arm or these arms had come from. And, well, that has been done, hasn't it?

[Lauren Smith]

So I got in touch with some specialists in the field and they were able to identify it for me just from the photographs, actually. Very rare deep water species that is.

[Ray Winstone]

Hardly ever seen and you refer to it as an octopus, but it's also known as a Septopus, isn't it?

[Lauren Smith]

The common name for it is seven armed octopus. However, I hate to disappoint, but it does actually have eight arms. Where that name comes from is the male has got a modified appendage of one of the arms and he curls that underneath his body. It's an appendage used for mating, so he, he likes to keep it nice and safe. So it appears that there's only 7 AR.

[Ray Winstone]

I don't know how much graphic detail we want to go into. But it's not just the same as the other arms, then, clearly.

[Lauren Smith]

No, it's a special shaped arm that he uses with mating with the females.

[Ray Winstone]

And rare, as you say. I mean, where do they live?

[Lauren Smith]

They live in really deep water. The large animals of this size, you're talking about 4 meters. Once they're kind of adults at that size, they're usually in really deep water. So we're talking 500 meters plus depth water. And in and around our North Sea, actually, there's only kind of one place and it's known as the Norwegian Trench, and it's all right up the way, hugging the coast of Norway, where in parts it gets down to around 700 metres. But generally we don't have that depth of water in our coastal waters.

[Ray Winstone]

So how unusual is it for a creature like this to find itself washed up on the beach in Aberdeenshire?

[Lauren Smith]

Very, very unusual. And as far as I can tell, there's no records of it washing ashore on the mainland before.

[Ray Winstone]

So the mystery of what this tentacle was or what it belonged to has been solved. But there seems to be another, bigger mystery out there still as to how.

[Lauren Smith]

It ended up where it did. I mean, from other photos, we would definitely think that the entire thing, it's not just lost an arm, you know, it will be dead, unfortunately. But the truth is that the kind of habitat where you'd normally find it is several days distance away, even by boat, from our coastline. So in terms of how it really got here and how it washed up, it's a bit of a mystery.

[Ray Winstone]

And will it ever be solved?

[Lauren Smith]

Who knows? We've salvaged the remains and they're actually in my freezer, but they're actually going to go for further testing.

[Ray Winstone]

We've solved another mystery. What's in a marine biologist's freezer?

[Lauren Smith]

I mean, yeah, not exactly something that you might expect.

[Celia Hatton]

Lots of mysteries surfacing there. Marine biologist Lauren Smith speaking with James Komarasani. And that's all from us for now, but there will be a new edition of the Global News podcast late later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is global podcastbc.co.uk you can also find us on X@BBC World Service. Use the hashtag global newspod. This edition was mixed by Daniel Fox, and the producer was Ed Horton. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Celia Hatton. Until next time.

[Ray Winstone]

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[Celia Hatton]

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[Ray Winstone]

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